THIS is Why William Afton Always Comes Back? | FNAF Theory

This actually makes a lot of sense, and although I’m not 100% sold on it and I definitely don’t think Scott intended this from the beginning, I could easily see the reason he invented Agony so late in the story was to explain why Afton wouldn’t die, just become springtrap, then scraptrap, then glitchtrap, then burntrap, and possibly next, blobtrap. It’s an odd FNAF theory, but aren’t they all?
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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
00:21 How Many Times Has William Afton Came Back Throughout FNAF?
02:28 Why Does William Afton Always Come Back?
03:08 What is Remnant and Agony in FNAF?
04:36 Is Springtrap made of Agony?
06:32 What is Ultimate Custom Night then?
07:49 Recap and Outro
The style of this video is similar to Fuhnaff, FusionZGamer, and Theft King. A large influence on this channel has been Game Theory, Markiplier, and Dawko.
#fnaf #fnaftheories #horrorgames

[@RyeToast]

So do you think William Afton is at least part agony? Or am I way off here? Want to join a growing horror gaming community? Click here! bit.ly/3bD1O0c Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 00:38 What’s the deal with FNAF Security Breach? 01:06 Why is FNAF Security Breach like that? 01:56 Why is FNAF Help Wanted like that? 03:40 Why is Freddy Fazbear’s Pizzaria Simulator like that? 04:36 Why is FNAF Sister Location like that? 05:28 How did Springtrap cause FNAF Security Breach? 07:05 Recap and Outro

[@kitdoesstufflmao]

Honestly, yes. I think he's part agony. I was thinking that for a while but I'm glad you done a theory on it!

[@risenhydra5223]

Personally I think that yes William is definitely made up of both agony and reminat. However I don't think that all of the reminat within him is gone because, the blob a creature composed of just agony does not have intelligence so its my thought that afton is using agony as a coating for his reminat keeping it safe and him alive

[@fnaf6491]

Controversial opinion: I'm not tired of seeing William Afton

[@zephyrgomez3934]

I know this is off topic but you ever thought Gregory may have been Henry's niece or at least related to Henry somehow? Considering Gregory was able to enter the pizzaplex.

[@RyeToast]

@@zephyrgomez3934 it's possible, but couldn't he just like, walk in?

[@zambiekiller360]

Unpopular opinion: Afton is still fantastic. Just handled poorly In Security Breach. Killing his momentum.

[@RyeToast]

I mean. You can be a fun and compelling villain while still being overused as such

[@yea0000]

true, i think it gets boring to bring a villain back over & over with the idea that he’s ‘died’ every time. it’s tiring after awhile but i also love springtrap as a villain and don’t mind him being brought back in security breach. I just wish they did more with it instead of basically burning him alive again. the whole thing felt lazy because they focused more on the game looking pretty then the stuff FNAF fans really care about like lore, cutscenes, and cliff hanger like endings.

[@affsteak3530]

It would have been fine if Security Breach hadn't tried so hard to be kid friendly. FNAF games aren't just jumpscares. There should also be a building sense of dread and THAT is what Security Breach was missing. imo Afton's return should have been foreshadowed and there should have been more creepy logs like someone swearing they heard a child crying for help at Roxie Raceway but being unable to find them.

[@ibrahimkhalid2017]

I think William is the coolest villian in the fnaf series

[@sirfazbear4993]

@@affsteak3530 We can't expect much from a fan rushed over ambitious game though 🤷

[@samueltitone5683]

I do think there’s something poetic about the man who killed so many being unable to die himself. That being said, I’d still be down with some new villains.

[@RyeToast]

That could be a fun plot line in and of itself, just a man being frustrated that he can't die no matter how hard he tries

[@angelmatiastorres]

@@RyeToast hey thank you! I never thought this would happened

[@_.shinchi._]

@@RyeToast that could be a fun plot sounds exactly like deadpool 2 at least the beggining.

[@YourRegularPalmTree]

@@RyeToast yk i swear i heard something similar to that but its the hulk trynna kill himself but nothing works

[@RyeToast]

@@YourRegularPalmTree I'm pretty sure that's also Kaido from one piece but I'm not caught up yet so I'm not too sure

[@deadmeme5491]

Instead of using fire to kill afton just use water he’ll rust even more than he already is and will probably break if he tries to move forcing him to permanently be still or fall to pieces

[@RyeToast]

I feel like we could just use like, a swift kick to the shins at this point

[@octogaming1134]

300IQ!!!!!

[@girosvaldodeskate2214]

If the protagonist of the games wasn't a child he could just break afton with a chair

[@tinaherr3856]

Or just bury him in cement. Can't murder if you are basically stone

[@BandicootMilk]

@@RyeToast what if you just left him trapped like how he was when he got trapped in fnaf 3 as you mentioned. If that dude was just in a wall of wood he could not get out. Which makes me wonder how the fuck he kills you to begin with

[@chief-executive]

The theory is actually something I've believed in this past 7 months, and it may actually be true. In William's salvaging section of FNAF 6, you can hear William's heart beating before he attacks Michael. The in-game files of FNAF 6 actually confirm this heartbeat belongs to William, the sound is played to let the player know when William is about to attack. The other animatronics you can salvage also make different sounds before they attack you, like for example, Lefty makes a whirring noise of a music box before she attacks. But basically, it confirms William never died by the springlocks, and is in fact still alive. And the reason I think that, is like you said, the way William was springlocked caused him so much agonizing pain that it gave him exactly what he wanted; immortality. In William's own words when describing a death by springlocks, he remarks "You will know you're dying for a very long time," (Silver Eyes) so in that case, William would've had such a slow "death" that his agony stops him from dying, but keeps him in a constant state of pain. Agony can actually regrow flesh and bones, and thats literally what we see in Scraptrap's design, he grows back the skin on his face, his ears, and if you look closely at his model, his femur bones too. Taking a look at Burntrap's design, you see the same thing happening; his teeth fully grow back, and he grows bone-like fingers on his glamrock-endo arms. Edit: And agony would explain why fires can't kill him; agony is literally created by pain, so burning him would actually make him even more powerful. Edit 2 : Agony is also capable of creating illusions and hallucinations, so that would explain why we see the Phantoms in FNAF 3.

[@REALPEDROGAMEPLAYS]

Yeah it'd make the community go insane if in the end they had to soothe William's agony and nullify him through healing rather than destruction. It'd be very hard

[@tinaherr3856]

For your "Edit 2" that may also explain a story in Fazbear Frights. In the story "Dancing with me" a woman encounters glasses that allow her to see a dancing Ballora. Yet this Ballora isn't physically there, yet can still interact with the environment, like rustling leaves. While a ghost doesn't explain it (as it is plastic glasses, not a robot), Agony infecting it does.

[@why7048]

That's my theory! I believe we might have to kill him with what he wants

[@dxdream3648]

Hmm yes Interesting

[@aggromango534]

Interesting Detail. I never understood how He grew his flesh back all the time, let alone Burntrap even having flesh.

[@THGMR-ox7sd]

Knowledge unlocked! So Afton’s soul is in UCN for eternity while his agony powers a corpse rabbit that people are tired of seeing. I never thought of it like that.

[@angelmatiastorres]

Your welcome

[@kyflysupreme7727]

William: Thank goodness it's all over Glitchtrap: HELLO THERE William: confused screaming

[@Azillia]

Do you know that for sure? Because In the ending of UCN cassidy decides to take the old man's advice and rests, while the rest of the souls who were brought there by Cassidy are set free, including afton What I think happened is, vanny collected parts of springtrap to rebuild hum, which had the agony inside of, and did some sort of ritual to bring back aftons soul to possess springtrap And it makes sense because the agony is now inside of vanny which is why she is somewhat possessed by him

[@Scar-Predator]

William is Glitchtrap though...

[@dantdmfangamingrich9802]

Before Fnaf VR William died in Fnaf 6 and went to Hell with Cassidy in Fnaf 7 UCN but when VR came out how did he live

[@AndresRodriguez-fw7cc]

I really like they idea of William not even being conscious by security breach and actually becoming similar to a beast forever in pain. His springlock suit being covered in agony of recent deaths and his own might be the reason the blob attacks un the first place. I hope we get to see more about this monsters before they're put to rest for good

[@RyeToast]

Right? That'd be so sick. I wanna see more of this unhinged afton

[@IxodesPersulcatus]

Tying back to the other theory, if we assume that Agony is associated with the color red (like the many glowing eyes of the Blob), then Afton being the *Purple* Guy suddenly makes sense. Purple is a combination of blue and red, and William Afton was at some point described as having blue eyes.

[@fa11endawn16]

I am sure Afton has grey eyes like his novel counterpart (The Charlie Trilogy books).

[@_Tzer]

The animatronic possession is usually white coloured(remannt) but when afton possesses something. It's purple.

[@hencoop8023]

You forgot the part where Cassidy keeps him alive to torture him

[@RyeToast]

Lol I wouldn't doubt that he's just not allowed to die because Cassidy ain't done with him yet.

[@soutaromeave6468]

And possibly cc

[@kyflysupreme7727]

@@soutaromeave6468 Still debatable but yeah

[@kyflysupreme7727]

William: Please end my suffering Cassidy or CC: Not a chance🤣🔥🔥 Old Man Consequences, Henry & everyone else: Do it or we will😑

[@hdanimatesorsomething]

Well, they were fine with torturing him in hell

[@pugg0wugg083]

I think Springtrap is both remnant and agony, agony from the pain he felt during death, and his soul not being able to move on, leaving remnant there. Springtrap is a soup of remnant and agony, but Scraptrap might have less remnant and/or more agony. I agree with you that Glitchtrap is possibly pure, concentrated agony. My theory is that after FNaF3, William abandoned the Springtrap suit, prolly due to the endo hindering his movement, and got the Scraptrap suit. During this exchange of suits, some remnant, lingered in the Springtrap suit, which Vanny used to make the Burntrap suit.

[@chief-executive]

Remnant is molten metal, it requires agony and a soul to be trapped inside metal, then melted down into a silver mercury substance called remnant. William doesn't have remnant.

[@davizi6146]

@@chief-executive What if in the fire the metal of the spring locks melted into William's skin imbuing his body with remnant It meets the requirements of EXTREME heat to melt it, insane amounts of agony, and a soul, so

[@--CHARLIE--]

@@chief-executive not necessarily true. In fnaf ar for instance, it's intangible. That molten metal stuff from the fourth closet could be anything.

[@chief-executive]

@@davizi6146 That would require William to be dead, when you salvage William in FNAF 6 he makes a heartbeat noise before he attacks you

[@davizi6146]

@@chief-executive It wouldn't require him to be dead because his soul is still in his body. Instead of his soul going into the metal the metal went into him

[@rodrigocoockiemonster4460]

This is perfect, it fixes William's issue perfectly. Also, Glitchtrap's/Malhare's original design in VR was to be a glitched Springtrap, the very suit in which he suffered so much agony; and the scene he appears in is a recreation of the missing children incident a reenactment of the killing that caused said agony.

[@mrsirdba]

A few things I thought of while watching the video: -What if when remnant is destroyed, the soul is released, yet if the soul isn’t at rest it doesn’t want to go, so it lurks as a ghost, waiting until it can find a new thing to possess, which is why Molten Freddy, Scrap Baby and Lefty all were saved in the fire, because they either wanted to be freed from tue remnant or they were convinced by Henry’s monologue -what if a soul can work even if it’s separated, one part of the soul goes to purgatory in UCN and the other part stays in the hard drives and becomes Glitchtrap, who eventually becomes Vanny and Burntrap is just the the soul stuck in purgatory being brought back to the land of the living -what if it’s Agony that protects remnant, such as in the FNaF 6 ending, the agony of the 3 animatronics was eased, allowing for the destruction of the remnant, however the Agony of Afton is eternal, which means only part of his soul was released, the rest protected by agony

[@tinaherr3856]

While we are posing questions about Agony and Remmnant, how about this? -What if Agony can bring something to life that *isn't* a murder bot like the Blob? *original FNAF trilogy spoilers BTW ** I believe it can. Based on some wording and details in the Fourth Closet, I believe that a character in the original FNAF book trilogy ( The Silver Eyes, The Twisted Ones, and The Fourth Closet) is an Agony being. * *true spoiler warning again* In the Fourth Closet, it's revealed that Charlie, the protagonist and Henry's daughter in the book universe, is a robot made by Henry after the death of Sammy in Freadbear's. The interesting thing is, Charlie *isn't* possessed by a spirit. Afton is so interested in her for thst reason. After the revelation, during a flashback (cause it's dramatic that way) Circus Baby says something interesting. While Henry is holding a toddler Charlie form, Baby says that he poured his misery and grief into the doll/robot toddler. Since Charlie isn't possessed, and that we know that Agony is created from strong human emotions, like agony and suffering (say, immense sadness after a loss), I believe that Charlie in the books is an Agony being. If true, then this leads the possibility open to more, less hostile Agony beings, for both the future and the past. Take the Paper Pals, who can move around, the dancing Minirenas, or the mysterious story teller Candy Cadet. They shouldn't be possessed, but still act weirdly. Heck, maybe some of the arcade machines are filled with Agony, because there were notes in Security Breach about how some would end up in weird places and it never really got resolved. And that's not even mentioning the Sun minigame or Princess Quest

[@mrsirdba]

@@tinaherr3856 that is a very interesting theory, and it would explain how Charlie works, though there is the alternative of her having an AI on the same levels as the glamrock animatronics, though I might propose another question: -What if "Agony" doesnt need the emotion Agony to work? What if emotions of any type can work as long as its strong enough, however the FNaF universe being the FNaF universe the emotional energy spawns the most commonly from Agony

[@tinaherr3856]

@@mrsirdba the advanced AI explanation is possible, but the detail about Henry's grief being poured into Charlie seems to similar to Agony it just makes sense to me for it to be true. On the subject of other emotions, the books also touch on it. Dr. Phineas Taggart, in his explanation about Agony, states that agony is the most powerful emotion, hence why it can bring things to life. Though, other emotions may still have *some small*, just nowhere near the levels of Agony. In the Silver Eyes, Charlie and Marla talk about how people's memories and emotions about a places can have an affect of others, like a person feeling an emotion for a second, then that feeling fading. So emotions can sort of affect their surroundings, but Agony is the strongest and the one with the) actual affect if it's surroundings other than making people feel things

[@robxholicfoxyfan8552]

@@mrsirdba Also to add to what Tina and you mentioned, other emotions can act as a direction for how an agony fueled being operates, presents itself, or feels. The different robots of Charlie each were prone to specific emotions due to how Henry felt while building them at the time. Small toddler Charlie cried a lot due to her father's sadness, Little kid Charlie was deeply infatuated with her father's attention and approval, and Adult Charlie was angry not due to being neglected by both Henry and William as Circus Baby and Elizabeth combined (even if it didn't help), but instead was fueled by agony and directed by Henry's anger due to realizing he went mad and wasn't satisfied with how Adult Charlie/Baby came out. For anyone slightly confused, Baby is Adult Charlie because of William tampering with her.

[@--CHARLIE--]

@@tinaherr3856 finally, somone else brings up that emotions affecting stuff has been hinted at since TSE. Also, to add to your point, by the time TFC rolls around, that universes Afton knows about agony. He monologs at one point about how the spirit follows the pain, and the pain follows the flesh. I get what he's saying, but it also probably makes some kind of point on how agony works in relation to souls and remnant, one I don't fully get, but I feel is likely relevant here as well.

[@sayansaha155]

Also about agony, since being springlocked William has found a stable source of agony. With every step he takes, every movement his dead springlocked body makes he feels pain. Immense pain. That pain becomes agony that adds on to his pain event more creating a sort of perpetual motion machine. Agony I think also amplifies remnant since fire can destroy remnant. So William should be gone like the other spirits, but his extreme agony allows his remnant to persevere, grow more powerful. I don't think William can ever be killed. He will always exist in some form.

[@hellszhells]

i actually kinda like this idea, with afton being fueled by his own suffering and the such. im really into the idea of not being able to kill him in any meaningful way, instead maybe the next game slash the security breach DLC will have you eternally trapping him of sorts

[@sayansaha155]

@@hellszhells yeah that's okay too. The best route for Fnaf going forward is to take William's Glitchtrap form and shove it into a new victim to make the next antagonist. You can cryo freeze Burntrap or send him to volunteer home for all I care, Glitchtrap and by extension Vanny is the new face of Fnaf season 2.

[@alienngl]

@@sayansaha155 Your theory makes sense, but also believe that remnant can control agony so if afton gets absorbed by the blob, he will take control of it because he may still have a little bit of remnant left supplied with a large amount of agony.

[@sayansaha155]

@@alienngl yea he definitely has some amount of remnant.

[@randomblabber4807]

This is a cool concept but technically he shouldn't feel pain since his body IS dead and the only thing in the driver's seat is agony itself

[@acemcwolf5445]

I've always like the idea of glitchtrap being the new villain, Working through Vanny. A metaphorical AND metaphysical representation of William's sins and the tragedies of the Fazbear franchise. If the new Afton is just a spiritual doppelganger of William, Then this makes my thoughts on him even closer to the truth. Glitchtrap is just a memory given form, The memories of the past traumas of Freddy's. It should of stayed buried, Like Henry said back in Pizza sim: "This place will not be remembered, And the memory of everything that started this can finally begin to fade away, As the agony of every tragedy should." Unfortunately, Afton isn't the only one who keeps coming back. Fazbear ent. can't seem to let go of the past, Even making light of it with the VR game. It really wouldn't surprise me if the higher-ups at Fazbear ent. know more than they're letting on.

[@REALPEDROGAMEPLAYS]

Rye does talk about Fazbear Entertainment being somehow a part of this in a past video

[@fez9439]

There's a few ways we know how to get rid of agony. Before that, I'll preface that Talbert, one of the people in the Fazbear Frights books specializing in Remnant, essentially explains it as "haunted metal". Now considering that Phineas and Talbert were close friends and most likely working together on this in some way, you'd assume Phineas and Talbert work under the same terminology. "Haunted" is essentially just another way of saying "infected by emotions". Phineas was right to assume that agony was in those objects, but he made a fatal mistake; He didn't believe in spirits, which caused him to be killed by the Stitchwraith. Spirits latch onto their agony, and follow it. So, Remnant's just agony-infected metal, which explains why spirits follow it. As William himself says, "the spirit follows the flesh, it would seem, but also the pain". The reason that's important to mention, is because the Frights show one way to get rid of agony, and one other way to nulify it. The first is heat. Jake uses intense heat to burn agony out of Larson, with only enough remaining for him to get visions of the ballpit. That's probably just because some agony was already in his bloodstream, though. The second is, you give people their Happiest Day. Overwrite the tragedy that caused the agony in the first place with something nice, effectively making the pain fade. William is indeed still around because of agony, and the funniest part about it all is, the more you try to torture him, the more likely he is to stick around.

[@KaneyoriHK]

So good info but also I hate how I read this and saw Phineas, immediately filled in the rest as "And Ferb"

[@liamczap5030]

Personally, I view it as Afton being a curse on freddy's. Fazbear entertainment is a cartoonishly corrupt company. They cut as many corners as they can at the expense of customer and worker safety, they hide any of the myriad of tragedies that befell their locations, and as the attractions they use grow more advanced, it seems like even worse things happen. And above all, with Freddy;s locations constantly being tainted with tragedy, they just keep pushing out more stuff, thus causing more tragedy. More agony. This makes the entire company the perfect breeding ground for Afton to strike, akin to having an infection and picking the signs of it off instead of getting treatment. My theory is that, due to how horrible at running a company the heads of Fazbear Entertainment are, each location or service provided by them produce a either an inherent source of agony or a unique form of agony, drawing Afton back like a moth to a flame. And there is no way Fazbear Ent. is changing anytime soon, so Afton will inevitably keep clawing his way back into it's rotten underbelly

[@tinaherr3856]

The Agony from the company drawing in Afton is an interesting idea. It might even explain (partially) how Henry lured the animatronics to the labyrinth in FNAF 6. Though, some of their dialouge mentions a message of some kind

[@liamneary5491]

This got me thinking of things that could heal his agony. Removing him from the suit, I don't think it'd be very likely just because of how gruesome that would be but getting rid of that could help him let go. The spirit of Cassidy forgiving him. I think this could be likely given it seems she's set on torturing him but I feel like there is little I really know about Cassidy that I know and if there's still remnant or if it's only agony left in Cassidy. Crying child forgiving him. If these things got set off by the crying child dying in the bite of 83, knowing that he's forgiven might make his agony move on. If Crying childs spirit is somehow inside of Greggory, it could be him remembering that part of who he is and letting William's agony move on.

[@REALPEDROGAMEPLAYS]

Yeah that's a very deep, and nuanced perspective to introduce because William Afton killed children to basically make himself immortal, but to defeat him he needs to be..forgiven.

[@liamneary5491]

@@REALPEDROGAMEPLAYS It would be really nuanced, but I feel like if Cassidy for gave him it could make a bit more sense. Since it seems to be Cassidy that's tormenting him in UCN, her forgiving him could maybe let both of them move on and get rid of the agony both of them have.

[@kyflysupreme7727]

@@REALPEDROGAMEPLAYS doesn't that only apply to the books tho? Because we don't know the real reason behind that. Plus Scott didn't confirm anything...well...not yet...

[@REALPEDROGAMEPLAYS]

@@liamneary5491 yeah which I think would make things a lot harder and tug on your heart strings in an interesting way

[@d-rgk2477]

This whole thing makes me wonder how many other animatronics could’ve been agony instead of remnant. Other than the funtimes and the puppet, pretty much every animatronic acts rather animalistic Just something worth considering

[@RyeToast]

I wonder if the FNAF 1 animatronics could be remnant, I mean they seem to be the least articulate

[@Z3PH_LOL]

Another few reasons why he just keeps coming back: He had to walk around as springtrap / scraptrap in constant agony and the springlocks that killed him, we was also burned 2 times, it seems people usually dont remember that he still would feel immense pain from being burned and springlocked, it just hits him less hard because he almost got used to it over the years.

[@olivergraves9381]

I really like this explanation! Peepaw Willy being around so long has always felt like a bit of a stretch before, but the agony angle makes it seem less silly and more purposeful.

[@RyeToast]

Right? Like I definitely think the main motivation is a bit of a writing block, but at least this theory gives us a good reason for it

[@olivergraves9381]

@@RyeToast Hopefully we get a conclusion to his agony soon so we can move on to new stories and villains!

[@gundamgamer7060]

See, this is exactly why I think Afton won't stay dead. I believe that at least part of the reason why Burntrap's movement is so slow and jerky in Security Breach is that he's simply more Agony than Remnant at that point. Although that makes me wonder... if Remnant is created from souls and damaged by heat, just how much of William is even still in Burntrap/Glitchtrap at this point, and how much is just the remaining Agony?

[@RyeToast]

At this point I wouldn't doubt if all of the original remnant from William is gone, and it's just agony now

[@gundamgamer7060]

​ @RyeToast Trues, although I personally think that there's probably still at least a little bit of Afton's Remnant left (but not much). His eyes are purple, instead of red like the Blob's (and the Blob is likely running on pure Agony at this point due to how indiscriminately violent and animalistic it is), and Remnant is usually associated with the color blue. Plus the fact that there was still enough of Afton left over for Cassidy(?) to trap in an endless nightmare until Afton was freed as Glitchtrap in Help Wanted.

[@danielplays1846]

I heard crying in the walls, while i was playing FNaF: SB. What if the pizza plex is FULL of agony from dead kids?

[@RyeToast]

Interesting, I'll have to check

[@KaneRedPixel]

I actually had a very simular theory. The reason Springtrap seems to be a lot sturdier and able to survive fire is because the way he died must have made an insane amount if agony. William in the books has said that being "sprung" is a very slow and painfull way to die. And (from what we know) William is one of the only people that actually died inside the suit, instead of being stuffed there after death. A child killed and then stuffed inside a suit would have no chance of infecting the robot with a large amount of agony if it already died.(this is going by the assumtion that only living beings can create agony, not remnant/souls). On the other hand, william being impaled by the robotic parts of spring bonnie literally had the suit both inside of him and compleatly covering his body, forcing all his agony to merge with the suit. Anyway if anyone has something to say/add to this theory please reply to this, would love to see some opinions on this:)

[@Felix-wq2ec]

What about all the other emotions? Agony may be the strongest emotions there is, but that doesn't discount all the others from existing. If we're going to delve into emotional alchemy, we might as well delve into the other other elements. Who knows, maybe the counteragent to agony is love. Also, fire has to be one of the most agonizing ways to die. It probably amplified, purified, whatever agony was already there.

[@RyeToast]

Love being the best counteragent to agony is so cheesy and I love it

[@worstplayer7670]

I actually think love is the counter to agony, because the puppet was put to rest after Henry made his speech to his daughter, which must have cured the agony caused by Charlie being left out in the rain, killed, then just being tossed into the back alley.

[@symphonicblade5579]

as far as i remember, the red eyes in the blob were a large indicator of agony and how it still infused the various animatronics in there. but in the final cutscene, afton clearly has purple eyes, not red. would it not make more sense for afton to also have red eyes if he was just pure agony wandering the halls? that little detail makes me believe the theory misses its mark somewhere

[@REALPEDROGAMEPLAYS]

I think its just thematic because y'know, purple guy. If not then maybe remnant is like...blue?

[@tinaherr3856]

@@REALPEDROGAMEPLAYS I think that in the Fazbear Frights books, it's more of a mercury silvery color. But hey, souls have always been portrayed in media as either blue or white, so close enough

[@shushimlb3d]

I think the blobs eyes are probably red cause it clearly has some of the AR animatronics in it, especially the Funtime Freddy head. Also purple is Williams color so it makes sense.

[@Cxsonn]

4:56 - 6:52 is one hundred percent, without a doubt the _best_ part of the video (in my opinion). I firmly believe this theory, and it's definitely part of my head-canon now. Props to you, @RyeToast, for making such awesome theories! I've been in this community for a very, _very_ long time, and I'm _still_ learning new things about this franchise. You've helped me learn a lot about the lore of _Five Nights at Freddy's._ Keep making awesome videos, dude! I can't wait to see more!

[@RyeToast]

I'm glad you think so, and thank you so much!

[@AscendedEmperor]

One thing to note is that in Fnaf 6 William was aware that the noises weren't actually kids he says "what a deceptive calling. I knew it was a lie the moment I heard it obviously, but it is intriguing nonetheless." He knows that his target isn't real yet his agony and hatred of the kids pushes him to keep looking for something that he knows isn't there. Despite him being him being the smartest animatronic in Fnaf 6 he still falls victim to the same tricks that set the other kids free.

[@edrick106]

Btw, here's a more detailed explanation of agony. First of all, all emotions have some kind of power, not just agony. In one of the stories, Anger is the emotion that ends up causing havoc. "It emanates from us or is excreted from us, if you will, like sweat or tears, and it wafts outward like a noxious cloud, soaking into the surroundings." - The character Phineas, from the books explaining emotions. "Extreme human emotion appears to impact its surroundings far more powerfully the more negative it is. Agony, I’m convinced, radiates farther from people than any other emotion" And , this is how according to Doctor Phineas, Agony gives life to things: "My work is focused on my hypothesis that you can take a saturation of agony, add any kind of intelligence-even an artificial one- and they will combine together to transmute the energy of emotion into the energy of physical action. This, I believe, is what explains what people call ‘haunted’ objects.” So it appears items can be charged with agony, but only animatronics, toys, and robots can be brought to life with it. In his experiments, Phineas has items related to tragedies, such a mirror that was in the same room where a man murdered a family. The mirror is charged with agony but it can't just walk around. Like Phineas said, things need an artificial intelligence. I'm still reading and taking notes of all the Fazbear's Frights books, but i know that down the line another scientist will be introduced, and his experiments are all about Remnant, so i'll post a comment here or in another video , showing his explanations for remnant.

[@tinaherr3856]

Emotions having an affect on physical things appeared a lot in the books though I believe only Agony had the impact to truly cause a more significant affect (Anger from a soul is less emotion, and a bit more soul Remmnant stuff in my opinion). Actually, the idea of emotions having an effect on their environment first appeared in the original FNAF novel trilogy. In the Silver Eyes, Marla talks about how sometimes a person's memories have an affect on places, like her grandmother's doll room. " 'Maybe they are,' Marla said. 'I don't know sometimes I have little moments where it's like there's something I forgot, something I regret, or that I'm happy about, or something that makes me want to cry, but it's only there for a split second. Then it's gone. Maybe we're all shedding our fear and regret and hope everywhere we go, and we're catching traces of people we've never met. Maybe it's everywhere.' ". So the idea of emotions affecting things has been around for a while in FNAF. This also kind of supports my "Charlie is an Agony being" theory, given that these ideas were present from the very beginning of the novels. But hey, that's just a theory, a game (or book) theory!

[@joriksstrangestories7008]

well, i think what no one talks about, how much is nightmarrione is in sb, last time i said that you can hear his jumpscare sound in the nightmare staff bots jumpscare, but i also found out that you can find few nightmarrione plushie over the pizzaplex, and in one gift you can fing nightmarrione plushie. and also the garbage staff bots look like nightmarrione. im not sure what this means yet, but i think it has to be something, i mean hes the only one with this whole plushies and the jumpscare noise, i think it has to mean something

[@RyeToast]

It has to mean something. You're right, the problem is I don't even know what nightmarrione means. Let alone what it means that he's in security breach. 😅

[@stephenfeister1176]

Agony being described as a wild dog sort of goes against the idea that glitchtrap is Afton’s agony. Glitchtrap is manipulative and meticulous while the blob (being made of agony) is much more aggressive. The blob embodies the untamed dog vibe if you know what I’m trying to say😂

[@TheRealAxolotlAnimates]

Another theory: William absorbed a part of all 5 souls into his body. He's been burned 3 times, so he has 2 lives left.

[@ToyotaCorolla-en2mv]

I think maybe a way to destroy agony would be a recreation of the circumstances that created it, or perhaps pure remnant. The opposite of the pure hatred that fuels Afton's agony

[@RyeToast]

That could be interesting, since being in a spring lock failure caused it. Putting him in a trash compactor could cause it to undo.

[@m4rionettealastor702]

I like the idea that his agony is what keeps Afton, and his remnant, alive. Afton is stuck in a Springlock suit, meaning he'll be feeling agony with every step.

[@Seriously_Unserious]

This is actually a very interesting take on things. I may have to explore this idea in my fanfic as a possible way to drive my plot forward. As to how to destroy Agony, I have 3 main thoughts on it: 1- nullify it with happy memories of pleasant times. The agony is thus supplanted with pleasure, an equally as powerful but opposite emotion or sensation, one that's derived from living well, whereas agony is derived from failure and moving towards death. However, in the case of someone who's wholly insane to the degree Afton is, this approach may not work. What he'd regard as pleasure would not be true pleasure, but a twisted approximation of it, call this fake pleasure GLEE. GLEE won't free Agony as it's part Agony itself. Only true and pure pleasure will do this. 2- Take the entirety of the substance infused with the Agony (or at least enough so that insufficient traces Agony could remain to affect anything) and utterly destroy the Agony infused objects. This could be done by a big enough explosion, a super hot fire (eg fueled by Thermite) or immersion in a large lava flow so the substance is so diluted in molten rock there is insufficient concentrations of Agony in any one place to affect anything. 3- Time heals all wounds. Perhaps even agony. Perhaps agony decays over time much as radioactive substances do, and given enough time of being undisturbed it would eventually just fade away. The amount of time required would depend on how strong and concentrated the agony is, and on how fast Agony decays or fades in general. Since William Afton is constantly being disturbed after no more then a decade or so, it's possible that keeps refreshing his supply of Agony before it has a chance to fully dissipate. If he were to be treated like a spent uranium nuclear fuel rod, and kept in a concrete tomb far underground where no one could find him for centuries, it's possible that could be enough time to let his Agony just fade away into effectively nothing. EDIT: I just had another thought. perhaps Williams's Agony is so hard to relive because it's not being entirely fueled by his SpringLock Failure death, but also by some Agony inducing experience from his early life that turned him into the psychopath he became, and he's been a creature of Agony even before he died. To Achieve #1 and nullify his Agony, would require someone to unlock that incident and give William Relief form that long ago thing, which could then allow all Agony that's build up on it since then to unravel and be nullified by true pleasure.

[@tinaherr3856]

Interesting ideas. I don't entirely agree with #3, because then Afton would have lost his Agony long ago, and the whole theme on the series is beings holding on long after they should have moved on. Still, the other two are Interesting. Though Dr. Phineas Taggart (the guy who introduced us to Agony) said that Agony is the strongest human emotion. So it would take a *lot* of strong, positive vibes to beat someone of Afton/the Blob's scale. Total destruction seems solid, can't possess something that doesn't exist anymore. As for Afton's past trauma idea that you proposed, may I remind you that he lost two of his young children to animitronics he made, Elizabeth to Circus Baby, Crying Child to Fredbear. He was also stuck in a decaying, empty room for many years, so the isolation and extreme boredom wasn't doing him any favors. He also may or may not have lost the speculated Mrs. Afton, assuming that he didn't adopt his kids.

[@Seriously_Unserious]

@@tinaherr3856 All valid points. For #3, that depends on how long and in what way Agony dissipates. If it's like radioactive isotopes, it would decay based on a half life, an decrease on a logarithmic scale. just to apply arbitrary numbers to illustrate, let's say Original Freddy is possessed by 100 units of Agony, and Agony has a half life of 100 years, then after 100 years of no new injections of Agony, he would have 50 Agony left, then in another 100 years (200 from intial Agony possession) he'd be down to 25 Agony, and it would keep declining in this way until it's down to an infinitesimal fraction where the amount's so small it no longer matters. This half life could be any number, 1 year, 10 years, 3 years or whatever. This would mean that Springtrap could have a large enough amount of Agony and the Agony disputes slowly enough that there's still plenty left 2 or so decades later when the Fazbear Frights people open up the room Springtrap's been locked in all that time. When he gets burned, he accumulates a new charge of Agony. Same for when he gets burned again later, in the FFPS fire. When his soul's trapped in the UCN hell/nightmare, he begins continuous accumulation of Agony.

[@Seriously_Unserious]

@@tinaherr3856 As for the other, Pleasure is on the same emotional spectrum as Agony, it's just it's opposite, so would be the same strength as Agony. So at the negative end would be Agony, at the positive end would be Pleasure.

[@tinaherr3856]

@@Seriously_Unserious it's opposite, yes. But being just as strong, I'm not so sure. Dr. Phineas Taggart said that agony is the most powerful emotion. Which makes sense, in a way. How may places of immense happiness do you know of? How many happy places have spirits hanging around? In the FNAF universe, Agony is the strongest emotion. It *can* still be countered by positive emotions based on some stuff from the books, but the method/situation is...complicated. The character Jake, while in the Stitchwraith body, could go into people's memories and evoke emotions. However, Jake is kind of a mess in terms of concepts. He is possessing a machine, which means he has Remmnant, but the vessel is a creation infused with Agony (and maybe? has/has a consciousness in the beginning). Not to mention, the Stitchwraith body was also inhabited by two other souls, a dead boy, and Afton himself. Jake was also going into people's memories which brings in the mind into the equation. So who really knows how the Positivity vs Agony thing really works. Also, your comment about the half-life of Agony brought up and of math and science classes memories. Still don't entirely agree eith the notion that Agony can fade, given that it's entire thing is that it is emotion that persists long after the person that was feeling it left. Then you would just have to trap Afton/the Blob in a place, and wait for it to fade away. Given that the Pizzaplex is in ruins, that would be kind of lame. It would also contradict the aspect of "haunted" objects actually being infused with Agony, which was brought up in Dr. Phineas Taggart's introduction to Agony

[@Seriously_Unserious]

@@tinaherr3856 just because pleasure doesn't lead to hauntings does not mean it's weaker. It just means someone who dies after having lived a good life feels no need to stick around for unfinished business, they just don't have any, or at least nothing worth hanging around for. Things they felt needed to be said were said, things they felt important to do were done, and there's no major incident they need to set right. They're ready to depart to whatever comes next. Someone in Agony, has unfinished business. Some wrong to set right, or at least a very strongly perceived wrong. Or they're batshit crazy and in Agony from insanity. As for William, something I meant to mention before re your first reply, The incidents you mentioned would definitely be points of pain in his life, but I'm thinking something earlier as a first point of pain. Something that may have happened to or around him in early childhood or even before birth, while in momma's womb. Something that set the stage for the psychopath Afton would one day become. Those things you mentioned may be links on the Pain Chain for Afton, links that if followed, could lead back to where it started and address "The First Agony," if you will. I know that's not currently cannon, but just an idea I thought of as to how one COULD handle agony, since no real cannon solution has been presented yet, at least not in any major way. As for the it could dissipate over time, that's taken from the proverb "time heals all wounds." and speculating at a possible way it could be applied to the in universe concept of Agony.

[@evethemoonandtheearth8082]

This agony talk reminds me of the old Ghost Busters Movie in 1900's about how a blob was able to release intense of spiritual negativity if its in contact with too much negative emotions that makes it exploits when its reach its limit, although I wanted to spoil how it was solved, its better to keep a secret or you can just watch the movie.

[@REALPEDROGAMEPLAYS]

Ye olde movie from the great year of 1900, phantompurgers

[@verdantmistral442]

I'm sorry, but this comment hurts me in ways I didn't know were possible.

[@Jesse-zl8sf]

If glitchtrap is just agony (an emotion) it’s intelligent… it thinks…. It plots…

[@sirfazbear4993]

Yes Glitchtrap is intelligent since he tricked Vanessa in his digital state

[@PizzaMineKing]

Maybe he is some sort of alloy (similar to two metals that melted into each other), remnant mixed with so much agony that the resulting "steel" has properties of both - the sentience from the remnant and the resistances from the agony.

[@RyeToast]

I could see that

[@teatiershorts4470]

Bro I’m actually addicted to your vids. Your videos relax me ong. Underrated asf keep up the amazing work! You’re going up my g!

[@mikefoxoftnp8175]

Would be neat if angony can build up mass over time if forced to endure unbearable amounts of pain.But a double edged sword that can be added is it can break off a piece and infect or take possession of other things.But it forced or tricked into breaking off to much of it self it losses it ablity to remain and fades away. Really playing into a hive mind like effect it.

[@thedripdogegamer]

William Afton: "I Always Come Back"

[@RyeToast]

His slogan at this point

[@mando3189]

People might think im nuts buuuuuuuuuuut THE MIMIC ISNT GOOD ENOUGH I NEED AFTON BACK

[@tinaherr3856]

I believe that Agony doesn't just create beings of hatred, like the Blob or maybe Burntrap. It all links back to the original book trilogy *spoilers for the books In the Fourth Closet, it is revealed that the series protagonist, Charlie, is not a human girl. She is a robot created by Henry, after the death of his son Sammy. But the thing is, Charlie isn't possessed by a soul, nor do they contain Remmnant. A sapient creation nor fueled by a murdered kid, which interested that universe's Afton. However, I believe that Charlie was brought to life by another source, Agony. During the reveal, Charlie gets flashbacks confirming her new truth, with some explanations from Circus Baby. Baby says something interesting, that Henry would cry and pour his grief into the toddler form of Charlie. Given that Agony can bring things to life, and is formed by human suffering, I believe Charlie was given life through the grief of Henry, his agony over Sammy's death. If my theory is correct, then this means that Agony can create being that aren't just murder bots, but true (mechanical). This could potentially lead to new characters that aren't possessed, or turn up answers about previous characters that don't have a fixed soul, like JJ, the Paper Pals, and Candy Cadet.

[@tinaherr3856]

Heck, it could even mean that the weird, moving arcade machines could be non-murder Agony beings. There were some notes in Security Breach that talked about how some arcade cabinets were mysteriously moved to random locations. It could also explain the weird Sun arcade game, or even Princess Quest.

[@HypaCube]

FINALLY! Been waiting for someone else to convey how Afton isn't just some random criminal anymore, but has evolved to become a literal force of nature. Also something to add to this: UCN was designed as a means to torture Afton, perhaps this may have further fueled his agony? We see this in the Fazbear Frights books when Afton's burnt corpse, having been tormented by Andrew's soul, literally explodes. Eventually , Afton's blackened soul literally dominates Andrew (the way it was portrayed in the books was one of the coolest things ever in this franchise's history imo). Its funny how maybe Afton would have died after FNAF 6 if Cassidy just learned to let go of the anger and left him to his demons.

[@thejurassicking3817]

Afton: Burn me once shame on you . Burn me twice shame on me. Burn me 3 times and I will always come back!

[@RyeToast]

Burn me four times and I'll come back! Burn me five times...

[@nightwatch3889]

I love your channel. I love the FNAF lore. Thank you for keeping this channel. I love your dedication. I hope your subs grow massively.

[@wackinghour]

Here's a neat theory: what if Mrs Afton is the key to defeating Williams agony, maybe bringing her back, maybe even trying to make his agony remember her, would make him realize what he's become. And what his family has become

[@brightstartwolf2523]

this makes the new world of FNAF bigger than ever imagined

[@radisonmadison]

I just found your channel and I’m loving it! Keep going man!

[@gamerakatsuki3498]

What if the reason Gregory is in the screens is because he died in agony and he was surrounded by screens

[@sirfazbear4993]

I think that too

[@edrick106]

"Florida man literally too angry to die."

[@RedstoneAceTheSecond]

I personally think that the bite of '83 didn't damage Evan's frontal lobe, but his neck instead. It's why he doesn't tell anyone about the "nightmares" because he can't speak. It's never mentioned that the bite of '83 took off the frontal lobe, that was the bite of '87.

[@Wafflzz4U]

I really think they should have built up to Afton coming back, like, he's just randomly in one of the endings for FNaF:SB. They should have had maybe... three or four games where we get more info over time about Vanny, and anyone else Glitchtrap could force into helping him. Where we discover they're trying to build him a body, and use it as the climactic ending in a different game. Here, it just seems pointless- he's the bad guy in an otherwise wonky boss fight and is presumably dead again a couple minutes later. Just no fun.

[@catattack885]

You can't destroy or hurt something that is made by destruction and pain, instead you have to ween it out of reality carefully, reminding it of what it was, converting into a neutral or positive form similar to remnant that CAN be simply destroyed. Fighting fire with fire only makes a larger, angrier fire, fighting cloth with fire burns it all away.

[@Username-pz1te]

I spend time on r/fnaftheories, a subreddit dedicated to fnaf theories and the people who comment there are very knowledgeable in fnaf. According to most of the users on there, remnant is just metal inflicted with agony (and because of this, it also has a soul). In the novel trilogy, what we see is one of the forms of remnant. The purpose of remnant is to show how possession works, according to William in the novels, spirits follow the pain and the flesh, so using the mci as an example, when the children are killed, their agony is on the animatronics but only when the bodies are stuffed into the suits by the puppet can the spirits actually possess the animatronic. So looking at Springtrap, in order for William to possess Springtrap, his agony has to be on the suit and because he was actually in the suit, he was able to possess it. This is also why the fire wasn’t able to free the spirits, but Happiest day is able to. Because the only way to get rid of the spirits is by getting rid of their agony, which is what Happiest Day does, it puts them in a happy place and this gets rid of their agony and allows them to rest. If this is true, then it unfortunately debunks Matpats newest theory because if the blob has agony in it, that means that the spirits are not gone. Also, to mention the fnaf 6 blueprints, it specifically says “overheating might neutralize the effects permanently”. What it’s saying is that if you are using remnant to keep yourself alive, if you get set on fire, the remnant will no longer keep you alive. Because the blueprints say that the effects will be neutralized, meaning if you have remnant in you and you are being kept alive by it, fire would make it so that you are no longer being kept alive by it

[@davidbraccini4770]

I think that Burntrap is made up by the mask of Springtrap with Agony, the endoskeleton of Bonnie, and the corpse of the tester of Help Wanted that has Glitchtrap in his mind. This theory pretty much saved the Fnaf lore. Your take was amazing! I really think that both Vanny and Glitchtrap’s plan was for the Blob to assorb Afton so that Afton can take over the Blob! By the way SteelWool seems going into this way as in the poster for RUIN DLC there is the Blob that is hiding. Now my theory for both Help Wanted and Security Breach is that Vanessa was the tape developer who was possessed by Glitchtrap and since Glitchtrap wanted a male body for himself he used the tapes to posses the new tester who is the player in Help Wanted. After that Vanny fused the broken body of Glamrock Bonnie and the newly possed tester by Glitchtrap to create a being similar to Springtrap so that the Blob could assimilate him and so then Glitchtrap/Afton start to posses the Blob. By the way I also really like the theory of Gregory being a robot since it continues the story of the crying child, who by the way I believe was also the endosceleton in Five nights at Freddy’s 2.

[@anuglypugduckling]

I've been thinking something similar, but I don't think agony can think, it just wants death and destruction. I think the duplicate Afton we have now is a half conscious copy of Afton powered by agony. I think it's intelligent like Afton, and has Afton's desires, but doesn't understand why it wants that, like a soul controlled by an AI program. Because it's like that it can't process new emotions, only tasks to be carried out.

[@chaosbeam4654]

And also Cawthon’s isn’t a creative genius and doesn’t know when to end plot lines

[@RyeToast]

You're not wrong though, at least we can post hoc justify it lol

[@chaosbeam4654]

@@RyeToast true

[@Mrs.Steelers]

Love the video! Also, I love seeing your cats get a cameo appearance in your videos! -a huge cat lover

[@kshuffles]

Beautiful theory 🙌. I’ve been thinking that getting rid of agony is different for each person. Like how you said Henry Elizabeth’s daughter got put to rest by being thanked, not by Lefty who’s holding the puppet being burned. Maybe something specific to each individual has to be done to get rid of the agony. But idk lol.

[@jolo6051]

If they DO ever decide to finally kill off Afton, then they're going to have to give him one HELL of a send-off...

[@Tues48]

I felt like ultimate custom night should have been it. Afton is in hell and being tortured by Cassidy.

[@jolo6051]

@@Tues48 Yeah, well, it SHOULD have been. But it isn’t.

[@Tues48]

@@jolo6051 it's part of the reason I consider it the true end. Like Afton's soul is actually in hell and somehow we'll end the agony that's left of him. Kinda like how a lot of people consider fnaf 4 a true end.

[@jolo6051]

@@Tues48 I like to think of it as Star Wars. There’s the main six that everyone loves and then there’s the sequels that… eh. BUT! I still believe the story can be saved!

[@teokarlsson9369]

Hi! New Sub here! I like the new eyes and perspectives you bring to the community, really refreshing! Could you do a timeline video? I'd be really stoked to see how you piece together the jigsawpuzzle that is fnaf.

[@RyeToast]

Thank you! And actually that was the first video on this channel that kicked off, so everything before it I unlisted and put into a playlist. Although in doing this channel for half a year I've already changed my mind on some things. So most likely after I play the DLC when it comes out, I'll make a new updated timeline to include everything.

[@memesnahgee5259]

Okay so I’ve always had a small headcanon on why old man Willy puts the Spring Bonnie suit on. I’ve always thought it was like this desperate, Hail Mary attempt to intimidate the souls, cause ya know; he was in it when he killed them? Nothing huge, but I think that’s like one of the only reasons I can think of as to why he would even get all up in there.

[@spudgeaholic]

hmmm, maybe remnant can be used to strengthen agony, similar to how they mix metal into gold to make it stronger. Maybe fusing the two would make it more stable

[@REALPEDROGAMEPLAYS]

Hence why Vanny is collecting the remnant for Afton I suppose

[@kelpie6902]

u have such banger theories on here I love it

[@themultianimator6571]

Remnant was mentioned in Fazbear entertainment security archive ( I Believe) where it talks about remnant when some of the notes are written in Williams writing where he talks about how he finds remnant and how it gave him immortality, which is how he always returns even mentioned in the video, he is a combination of Agony and Remnant.

[@RyeToast]

Hopefully something can stop him

[@HeadRedShot]

happy 10k!

[@pyropaintbrush]

See i like this it makes sense! It actually ties into my theory that William got into those spare circuit boards in the first place Because of those three old arcade machines in the hidden back room with him when he becomes Springtrap. Think about it, when you rewatch the scene and the suit snaps, blood sprays everywhere and certainly far enough in the scene to reach the arcade cabinets 👀

[@MotorcycleCheetah]

It’s basically a sense of, William’s soul isn’t still on earth, it’s an “echo” of his Soul, his Agony. The agony he experienced is so potent, it manifests as an energy in the aftermath of the Remnant Soul being burned away. Assuming you can feel the fire, that would cause a ton of agony. The REAL William, is dead. This Glitchtrap AI infested with Agony, is an echo, a message left on a phone if you will. It’s like talking on a phone vs listening to a recorded message, but with Real Souls vs Leftover Agony.

[@barnykirashi]

1:10 Thank you. I'm tired of the same old story of William is still alive and his mangled corpse is controlling the suit, which given how nearly nothing is left of his corpse exists to controll the suit in suit mode, I'm a firm believer that he haunts the suit, and he would still be the suit, even if the corpse was cleaned out of it.

[@KBryanWhite]

William Afton in security breach be like: DID YOU SERIOUSLY THINK I WOULDN'T COME BACK?? THINK, GREGORY, THINK!!!!!!

[@RandoSando.]

If fire doesn't get rid of agony, then maybe he needs to be frozen??

[@RyeToast]

That could stop him, even if he doesnt die lol

[@Noon69]

here's a theory what if the reason Agony doesnt get destroyed in the fire is because it only fuels the "agony". as in more pain fuels the hatred We know you can get rid of any agony just like the puppet and thats with positivity.

[@RyeToast]

I could see that. Mans just needs therapy and a hug

[@tupkocio5210]

Wow bro your Channel is slowly blowing up. Very nice

[@tupkocio5210]

I hope you get 50k until the end of 2022

[@RyeToast]

Thank you so much!! And that would be crazy 😯

[@Phyrior]

Honestly, Afton's Agony is to FNAF what the Curse of Demise is to Zelda. The forms may be different, but they all share the same source.

[@_Tzer]

thinking about it, his son did repossess his own corpse after ennard left him which would be agonizing. So it could make sense. If remnant is the positivity in the soul, Agony would be the negativity if so that would explain why william would have a lot of it. And why his eyes aren't white like usual possessed or undying things used by remnant (ergo fnaf 1 animatronics eyes) But a harsh glowing purple. Purple is the colour of agony white is the colour of remnant.

[@porcelainchips6061]

the Three Arcade Machines in the room where Afton dies in the Springlock Suit. The arcade minigames in FNAF3. The entity of FNAF world.... These are smoking guns that get overlooked. I always feel like there are were souls are hiding, or persisting.

[@JodieAbode]

melting the animatronics doesn't work because that's how they were turned into the remnant that is put into the funtimes (supposedly) in the first place. so it wouldn't work. when they cool down they'll just be solid metal blobs that, I don't know, roll around or something. plus, overheating wasn't a fully confirmed method of defeating them. Afton literally wrote "might" in those blueprints so even he wasn't sure. and you'd think he would have tested that out, so maybe it just causes them to go unconscious and unresponsive, which, from an outsiders perspective, would look like they weren't haunted anymore. until some more undamaged remnant gets introduced to them again and boom they can rampage again. so basically I don't think remnant is out of the ring just yet

[@krockoart3962]

I gotta say this makes sense. But is agony alone an emotion? For it to work as described it would have to be an explosive blend of Grief, Rage and Hatred. But at what point would it stop being a blend of the three, and take on an essence as a pure emotion?

[@urdog01YT]

Great video man keep this up! ALLREADY gained 5 k since I subeditor to you!!

[@grabthetoast7558]

I guess this is why the blob took burn trap with him in S.B.

[@RyeToast]

I think so for sure

[@number3766]

It would be sad if the vengeful spirit, in causing agony to William's soul, is allowing it to survive through agony and creating remnant through the desire to once again destroy the vengeful spirit. If they only let go, William would have died, but as his soul couldn't fade away and his agony continued, he was able to resurrect himself, using the vengeful spirit's need for revenge as his own perpetual remnant and agony machine, making him immortal until the spirit lets go

[@syweb2]

Cool idea, but I have some thoughts regarding this: From what little we've seen, Agony isn't _intelligent._ It is capable of energizing things, but it doesn't have thoughts or plans or coherence like Malhare apparently does. He can't be made of pure Agony, because he would just be a mass of violent anger (sort of like the Blob/Fazbear Amalgamate). There would need to be a pre-created AI or something for Agony to empower, which doesn't seem likely since William just kind of became slag, meaning that his soul has to be at least partially present to become Malhare. From what I understand, The Man in Room 1280 is meant to imply that he was at least partially kept alive by whichever Golden Freddy spirit is tormenting him (I personally believe it's Evan, since William's son has a closer and more personal connection to him and thus would feel more spiteful, plus The One You Should not Have Killed is referred to as a "he"), meaning that he was somehow physically alive after FNaF 6 and he managed to escape UCN by being scanned into the Freddy Fazbear Virtual Experience.

[@goose8126]

Bro you got 7k subs so quickly

[@RyeToast]

It happened so suddenly! But keep in mind I've been posting to this channel since 2017, and have an old privated channel where I posted skits dating back to middle school. This has been a long time dream of mine for forever, the sudden success is overwhelming and I'm so profoundly greatful

[@captainflamefart6233]

Personally, I think Afton's soul is still there in full force (the remnant part). Based on what little we know about agony, it acts mostly on instinct rather than with a thought process/strategy. My personal head canon is that after the fnaf 6 fire, Afton's soul got trapped in his own remains, where he was tormented for eternity (UCN), at least until his animatronic parts got scanned into the VR game, where he could escape, and thus manifesting as Glitchtrap. You know what happens next, he brainwashed Vanny and then Security Breach ensus.

[@tinaherr3856]

I think that Afton's soul (or the main part) is still being tortured by Cassidy. It's a *lot* harder to escape Hell/personal suffering dimension than a decaying room. Also, beings made from Agony may not always be mindless, if a theory of mine about a certain surprise mechanical character from the original novel trilogy is true. Edit: I may tell you the full theiry if you have read the original FNAF novel trilogy (The Silver Eyes, The Twisted Ones, and The Fourth Closet). I don't want to spoil anything

[@captainflamefart6233]

@@tinaherr3856 please spoil away, I'm likely never gonna read the books lol

[@jaxp3950]

I hope that steel wool doesn’t completely throw William away, but instead uses him as like a mastermind controlling everything from the background in order to get a human body or at least a new animatronic one

[@samuraijackoff5354]

I'd like to see him coming back not as something good but rather something painful. His reward for killing so many and being able to survive is not a villainous haha, but a whisper of suffering. An ironic eternal hell.

[@limefrostart6606]

Fazbear Frights actually shows that UCN is a nightmarenthat both Cassidy and the Shadow torment Afton with in his head, until he is freed by becoming Glitchtrap. And I think he keeps coming back because he is meant to be like Chucky the killer doll, or Freddy Kreuger

[@RyeToast]

Interesting. Well, if I hit 50k subs I'll read those damn books

[@limefrostart6606]

@@RyeToast it actually hints at who the future villain might be. In FF, a character named Eleanor, an animatronic clown girl, causes a huge amount of the events of the book series. The reason she does this is because the entity in her is called the Shadow, an evil black force of Agony born from the evil acts of Afton. It possesses the clown animatronic (which might be a Charlie Bot that Henry gave up on) to trick countless children into taking her home so that She can get around town and cause chaos to absorb the Agony. She is even in the book version of UCN, along side Andrew (a Cassidy parallel) This was meant to explain what Shadow Freddy, Nightmare and Nightmarionne, an entity born from the murder of Charlotte, Afton's first victim. The footprints in Midnight motorist are from Shadow Freddy, luring Evan/CC to Charlotte's body at Fredbear's, causing him to be afraid if the animatronics. We know this due to the Shadow in FF doing a similar thing. And Nightmarionnne says "I am a fearful reflection of what you have created", reffering to how it was given shape the night Afton killed Charlotte. In UCN, Nightmare even says to Afton "I am your wickedness made of flesh". After FFPS, Cassidy keeps Afton alive to torment him with nightmares/UCN, and the Shadow torments Afton as well, taking the form of Nightmare and Nightmarionne. It diesbthis because, though it was born from Afton's evil, it's not actually loyal to him, just like Eleanor in FF, which is that timelines version of the Shadow. Sure, it helps him in FNAF 3, but then abandons him, and even torments him for Agony. The Nightmarionne, another form of the Shadow in the game timeline, takes the form of an evil Marionette because Charlotte was the good that came from that night, a soirit who wants to help people Afton hurt, while the Shadow was the evil that came from that night, an evil monster who will gladly hurt anyone for power. It's basically the anti-Charlotte. Nightmarionne's face is even the main icon for UCN, meaning he is important. And SB hints at Nightmarionne/Shadow playing a bigger role in the future. The Nightmare Staff Bots look like Nightmarionne, the jumpscare sounds similar, and they have "IN YOUR DREAMS" written of their chests, referencing how he was tormenting Afton in UCN along with Cassidy, which was a dream purgatory. And there are also Nightmarionne plushies hidden all over the Pizzaplex, and when you collect one, it's called "Nightmare Plushy", instead of Nightmarionne, hinting at the two being the same character. Maybe Nightmarionne powered Afton up with his Agony after becoming Glitchtrap. Elesmorndoes something similar, where she powers Afton up with Agony to use his lust for bloodshed to her own advantage. Also, just so we are clear, the Shadow and Cassidy are NOT friends. FF shows they were both fighting for control over UCN. Sorry if that was long

[@Sonicmid]

In my personal opinion I think William should have died back in 3. The story just should have introduced new plot lines and new villains.

[@chrono2208]

I disagree, his death in pizzaria simulator was perfect, having him die with his creations (baby and molten freedy) and his son is a very good way to end him, the best part is that it was all henry's plan so its also good for him since its his revenge for the death of charlotte, also his speech at the end was chilling. (Sad that its kinda ruined since william didn't really die there.)

[@Sonicmid]

@@chrono2208 I mean if I wrote the story I would definitely keep the Henry vs William plotline. I would just have happen at 3. Maybe the speech could be added in like a cutscene in ucn

[@sirfazbear4993]

@@chrono2208 Henry's plan was shitty, go watch impulsiveEvans video you'll probably feel different

[@novastein9567]

Not seen the Video fully yet, but the reason is easy: He is fuled by the Fan Girls (includes me) swooning over him and as long as they love him HE ALWAYS COMES BACK.

[@RyeToast]

THIS is your guy? THIS stinky rabbit man?

[@jaydenjones1374]

🤨📸

[@novastein9567]

@@RyeToast stinky in the best Kind of way, sir

[@REALPEDROGAMEPLAYS]

@@novastein9567 🗿

[@themeowcat9]

These are my own theories, they’ve probably been disproven but I’ma still say em. 1. Why do we assume that it’s Cassidy’s spirit tormenting William and not his son? We know what Aftons are capable of, especially when angered. What if when Evan saw that what his father has done it makes him mad, and that anger increases over the years as he sees his friends suffer? 2. And if it is Cassidy then it makes you think. Their anger is understandable but the fact they’ll go as far as to go to hell with him doesn’t make sense to me. So what if because Cassidy and Evan shared Golden Freddy for so long that their emotions mixed. Evan has all of Cassidy’s kindness while she has all of his anger. Afton Anger. Again, these probably were disproven but that’s my thought process

[@SoxOPhone]

I hope after th SB DLC, Afton is finally done with. I know a lot of ppl hope that too

[@kyflysupreme7727]

William: Hopefully I don't come back Everyone else: WE HOPE SO TOO😎

[@sirfazbear4993]

The dlc should be his last appearance frfr

[@LukiKruki]

FNAF books shows how to remove agony with Ennard-like animatronic that shows up for some time in every book. The "Ennard" defeated the agony bonnie with happy memories. You would have to wonder what happy memories William could have.

[@lordoflollipops-memesandmo3833]

Deep down, it was the power of friendship (that destroys agony) aaall alooong!!

[@why7048]

I feel like agony is put to rest by the oppasite of agony. You can see how Henry's daughter's agony was put to rest by a thanks right? What if agony was put to rest by receiving what you want? Or at least it goes away with being put at ease. If this is true then William cannot be put at ease. But then again this is just a theory i made i will add more onto it. Besides who knows? Maybe William's true intentions are to get his kids back, doubt it though.

[@why7048]

We might have to break down his agony with things other than pain. We would have to soothe this agonized mummified rabbit dude with joy, joy is given to you by fulfilling things. It sounds hard, but almost likely that this is the truth behind it all

[@RyeToast]

So you're saying Williams true kryptonite is therapy and some lotion? Makes sense honestly, he clearly hasn't had any yet

[@sonicfan1685]

might be a stretch but it could be like the original book trilogy where he experiments with souls to become immortal and what if he succeeds in the games

[@FoxHunter1438]

Easy answer as to why Afton always comes back: plot

[@quickhakker]

Two points comes to mind with this. 1 this actually works sorta with my "mind body soul" theory where afton is now split into 3 states, the mind which is digital in the form of glitchtrap, body which is the corpse running around with agony and soul which is whats being tortured into UCN 2. this is something that i feel needs to be said, Steel wool litterally gave themselves an out for the FNAF story that scot made in fnaf VR (help wanted) with the line about the "indie game dev making lies about the company in the FNAF games" which cemented the games we played up to that point as canon items that are in the FNAF universe but not canon to the story line, and as you said they even set up a villan for the next game with vanny but i guess at last min they decided nah lets stick to the classic stuff and basically undid FNAF VR

[@Leostar-Regalius]

there's actually one more, William actually had a springlock failure one time before the one that actually killed him(unless that's just for the books) he only survived due to being a bit to big for the suit to lock fully, left him with scars all over his body

[@Gb484]

Wanna say I'm not sure how much time you spend on editing but it's simple but great

[@DazaiNeedsMoreLove]

Well...maybe the only thing that can heal his agony is the love of his family? His Kids still love him and maybe his wife too. Maybe if his wife comes back his agony can be healed? It could be the happy ending Michael ever wanted for his family