This was quite the rabbit hole... (Ryzen 9 9900X vs 7800X3D gaming benchmark investigation)

There is a gaming benchmark of the Ryzen 9 9900X. I tried to investigate how it stacked up against my 7800X3D, which ended up being quite a bit more complicated than I thought it would be.
Sources: wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-9-9900...
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[@Neonmirrorblack]

14:54 for those that want the actual comparison result... Wait for X3D.

[@PVTParts472]

thanks bro

[@Games_and_Tech]

domo arigato

[@Nicc93]

Darude - Sandstorm

[@conenubi701]

​@@Games_and_TechMr roboto

[@WaspMedia3D]

... or more intelligently, without making a conclusion based on a claim with missing information and without a comparison based on a screen shot of a score run on an unknown system with unknown settings and trying to read too much into it, wait until release and proper benchmarks, as usual.

[@Paelmoon]

I'd be happy if these new chips depress the 7000 pricing in any way - then just get a 7800x3d 😅

[@jlchavis0844]

I'll sell you mine when the 9900x3D comes out

[@SirBlicks]

If you live in the US near a Microcenter you might wanna check out the 7800X3D bundles.

[@farmeunit]

7000 didn’t really affect 5000X3D…. We will see though. Even then 7700X was just as fast as 5800X3D, so X3D wouldn’t really be necessary. They’re great but hardly a great value.

[@nexus99]

7000x3d didnt affect 5000x3d prices because they are on a different platform

[@dingleberries360]

@@jlchavis0844 wont be much of an upgrade. 7800x3d is already to much cpu lol

[@remmykun8315]

I’m interested in the future 9800x3D only. It’s going to be good and judging by the TDP of these 9000 CPUs, it’s not going to be a nuclear reactor. That’s all I need lol

[@greebj]

? They're no worse than 7000... And some 8 core variants are lower. But let's wait for launch reviews and not take pre launch manufacturer claims as anything but worthless puff. Also go back and look at the eco mode benchmarks, you can run the dual ccd zen4 CPUs at laptop-like power numbers and lose almost nothing in almost all use cases

[@ZackSNetwork]

The cache on zen 5 is so big that they might not need x3D variants.

[@GewelReal]

​@@ZackSNetworkliterally same L3 cache amount as Zen 4 and Zen 3 and Zen 2

[@pauromaguera]

@@ZackSNetwork they only increased the l1 cache, from 64kb to 80kb, whilst l1 instruction cache remained the same, l1 data cache increased from 32 to 48kb per core

[@samohraje2433]

@@ZackSNetworkthe 3D cache increases the performance by quite a lot. This is not a normal cache. The 3D cache has much better throughput than normal cache, and you can actually observe it using Aida64 benchmark. See the normal X and X3D. The same ammount of cache in X3D will have 10%Avg in performance increase

[@SB-mr2nk]

absolute goat. really appreciate you noticing this stuff and putting a spotlight on it. To me this type of content is the MOST valuable thing youtube does for the average gamer.

[@Ehren1337]

Its not even right comparison. Wait till new x3d comes out.

[@WarSlayr]

We appreciate your time you put in

[@get-in-2-get-out774]

Nice ' investigation ' Also, looks about right. I expect the 7800X3D to simply be faster.

[@Jason_Bover9000]

Yes x3d is better reason to wait for 9800x3d

[@deathtoinfidelsdeusvult2184]

@@Jason_Bover9000 really depends, the 7600 was just the same perf as the 5800x3d, losing and winning in some games. We don't know where the 9000 series leads

[@George-um2vc]

@@Jason_Bover9000I wonder if, for those who have a 4090, upgrading from 7800X3D to 9800X3D will even be noticeable, considering how the 4090 bottlenecks even at 4K quite often…

[@beeman4266]

​@George-um2vc Probably not, if you're playing at 1440p or especially 4k your cpu just isn't the bottleneck, it's all gpu. I only play at 1440p and got a 7800x3d because it was on sale and the value was just too good over everything else for my usage. But realistically I Probably would have been fine with something else, I only have a 7900xtx so maybe it'd be different with a 4090.

[@George-um2vc]

@@beeman4266 yeah 4090 bottlenecks even 7800X3D, trust me I got 4090

[@commandertoothpick8284]

ryzen 9000 coming out soon and the 5800x3d cpu still at the same launch prince here in my country

[@ShadarThePcBuilder]

Move countries

[@lilililiililili6363]

ye because the 5800x is am4

[@andersjjensen]

Then your retailers are ripping you off. Try seeing if retailers in sort-of-close countries will ship to you.

[@Cool-kk2vl]

in my country, 5600x only like 10~20 us dollars cheaper than 7500f. It's crazy

[@roki977]

@@Cool-kk2vl 5600 is the one that usually has low price, 5600x are quite a bit more expensive..

[@erickalvarez6486]

Today, detective Daniel was born

[@Shieftain]

Detective Dan

[@pred1993]

First time watching your channel and this is definitely right down my alley and something I would for sure do myself! Love it! (Also really liked how you moved yourself around to point out things haha)

[@martinarguello3014]

man, this was such a FUN video to watch!

[@od1sseas663]

10:03 When you're using FSR 3 Quality at 1080p for example, the game will render at 720p and then upscale it to 1080p (Native monitor resolution) Biased mode will make the upscaler, upscale the 720p image to 4K and then downscale it to 1080p. This usually gives slightly better image quality since the upscaler generates more pixels to fit a 4K output. (There is a slight performance cost) So in short for FSR 3 Quality at 1080p-> Fixed: 720p-> 1080p Biased: 720p->2160p->1080p

[@tyernix]

Good to know that the 7800X3D I just got is still relevant, don't wanna be upset with my new build once the 9000 Series comes out.

[@korkuc26]

You wont be. The 7800x3d will be relevant for the next 5 years at least. Just got mine a few months ago. I couldnt be happier

[@starjones101]

You'll be good for years

[@benknapp3787]

Same. I built my PC in February. I knew the 9000 series was going to come out at some point this year, but the price was right and the 7800X3D is the cream of the crop to this day. I might go 9800X3D depending on cost, resale value of my 7800X3D, and performance increase.

[@problemdogYT]

lool upset with ur new build, so what if the new gen had a bit more performance you would feel bad? Spoiled little shit lol

[@oappi4686]

you shouldn't be. I am still rocking 1950X and waiting for 9000X3D series. Upgrading CPU more than every 3-4 years is waste of money for most people. If you want to make your friends jealous I would suggest finding some other way that is not as expensive, preferably skill that makes you earn money instead of loosing it.

[@evilleader1991]

interesting video and you are very good at explaining your thought process.

[@dzengrinder]

Building a 7800x3d PC this weekend. Seems like it's gonna be alright for at least a couple of generations

[@P-dub978]

That cpu is a beast

[@MrIsmaeltaleb85]

Use the same settings and drop in a 7900x

[@akaFelipee]

up

[@MrIsmaeltaleb85]

Doesnt seem right Daniel. The 7900x is only 5-15% slower than the 7800x3d in most games. If the 9900x is 20% slower than the 7800x3d it also means the chip is slow than last gen. I think the methodology is flawed. Nothing conclusive can be made from here. Try and drop in the 7900x and see the difference to your current results. It'll show u how far off u probably are.

[@chrisnesbitt_jr]

@@MrIsmaeltaleb85 According to Tom's Hardware, the 7900x is about 25% slower on average. The 7900x3D may be what you're thinking about?

[@MrIsmaeltaleb85]

​@chrisnesbitt_jr I never use Toms Hardware bro. His site is full of ads and shit. Techspot and Guru3d are my picks. Techspot Quote 7800x3d review. "When compared to the 13700K, we're looking at a 6% performance uplift which is still pretty small overall and then just an 11% boost over the standard 7700X" Guru3d have it at 4% faster than a 13900k. All this is with a rtx 4090, not a 7900xtx. Theres about 5 games where the 7800x3d is 25%+ faster than all other chips but there lighter games with massive fps. In games similar to Avatar (according to the above mentioned media outlets) the X3d chip is between 0 and 10% faster than a 7700x/7900x non 3d.

[@MrIsmaeltaleb85]

​@@chrisnesbitt_jrTom quotes this "The Ryzen 7 7800X3D is 12% faster in 1080p gaming than the $580 Core i9-13900K". He must test with games that respond well with vcache. Most other reputable sites have it at around 5%. They test with a wide variety of titles.

[@jodiepalmer2404]

Can we just get a gpu that renders 4k straight out of the box without having to go through so many hoops only to have the image renders at 1080p? I remember games used to have 1080p, 2k or 4k settings which we can choose to render our games.

[@ehenningsen]

Nice work

[@antondovydaitis2261]

Yes, thank you, Detective Daniel. Or should I say....R Daneel?

[@purefun65]

Conclusion, benchmark is easily manipulated to achieve desired outcome.

[@ashleyfox1514]

its amazing the detail and thought you put into this, absolutely incredible!

[@danielpindell1267]

1440p and 4K is usually where i game at so i would like to see how the CPU performs in higher resolutions. Cant wait to see some bemchmarks for the review chips they send out.

[@FerrumBellator]

Will continue to wait for 9800x3d

[@carrickdubya4765]

Unless they drop the 7800x3d under $200

[@otravoyadnoe]

@@carrickdubya4765 they won't. even the 5800x3d still costs more than that

[@zeNUKEify]

Excellent detective work Daniel!

[@chanm01]

Aww, you had me excited for some actual benchmark comparisons. I appreciate the research that went into making this video, but tbh it doesn't amount to much more an educated speculation. We may as well wait for more detailed data to come out before we try to draw any conclusions. It won't be long now.

[@Helios5778]

I'm a complete noob when it comes to this sort of stuff but could they have reduced the GPU power limit to put more usage on the CPU?

[@d1zzleTX]

I love it when School is out and Daniel has time to nerd his way down a rabbit hole for us lol!

[@acadiachair]

This has always secretly been a math channel.

[@HoretzYT]

Will there be non-X CPUs this year? I doubt that because the TDP is already lowered on the X versions

[@MelodeathMassacre]

Could you have tested the gpu usage theory by calling the frames at 229 and seeing if you have the same usage? Not sure home frame rate caps work with frame gen. Possibly in adrenaline?

[@TheKafel92]

wondering what score would you get with 7700x... that could give an estimate for non x3d gains

[@christhian0512]

loved this video, reminded me of how I got math questions right using alternative methods using logic back when i was a kid.

[@marduk266662]

I agree with your calculations and assumptions and there might be one thing you didn't try and, in my opinion, might be the final piece of the puzzle. You were doing tests on a monitor higher than 1080p ( my assumption) so GPU might have interfered and that might give you a bit bigger score, they would have to used 1080p monitor to eliminate possibilities of GPU usage. Also ram difference could equal to the difference between your numbers and their numbers. Btw I love your videos, it's a relief looking at a video that's not "tuned" for yt algorithm. Also it's like looking a different me 😂 lot's of love and support my man ❤️

[@theexile4694]

The scaling mode is does the following. Fixed stays at a fixed resolution based on the DLSS or FSR settings and expected resolution output at those settings. Biased checks the GPU for additional headroom and if there is any it will pump out higher resolution out than what is expect at a given DLSS or FSR scaling factor. Example: 2560x1440 DLSS Ultra Quality 2133x1200 - Fixed 2304x1296 - Biased The Biased output will be highly variably, with an average, and tries to reach for the highest possible resolution possible given the GPU headroom available.

[@blackfieId]

I've been gaming since the late 80's. The graphic settings of games has never been more complicated than right now

[@relentless1256]

It's evolution... everything changes, this is no different

[@blackfieId]

@@relentless1256 doesn't mean it needs to evolve into needlessly convoluted and confusing

[@muzy8768]

There are just more options

[@kalle8960]

there are more visual fetures so obviously you will have more options available. Its a great thing to have more control I really dont get your point

[@AuberaunPsychology]

Then you obviously haven't because you never heard of glide, direct x, software rendering, hardware rendering, EGA, CGA, composite etc etc etc etc etc

[@sneps-ix2th]

yeah the software variable makes it really difficult to draw conclusions (although that hasn’t stopped many of the commenters). it would be interesting to see the benchmarks with a 7900x to see if the results make more sense

[@miminepho]

Appreciate the attention to detail. Great job !

[@mattstansbeary3068]

My best idea of this is Wait until the Reviews come in.

[@ewitte12]

What kind of crazy benchmark goes down with a faster fps?

[@Eveningbreeze78]

Lol...from 11 minuten in .. wondering if chill/hyperx was enabled?

[@foxthroat3410]

I just recently bought 7800X3D too and I'm happy watching this video xD

[@ZomgZomg007]

is the 9900x 6/6 setup worse that the 1ccd 8 or8/8 setup for gaming?

[@ZackSNetwork]

Yes I recommend either 8 cores or 16 cores.

[@Confector69]

Depends on the games. Elden ring for example only uses 4 cores anyway. It will only benefit you if a game actually uses 8 cores.

[@Confector69]

I looked it up and currently there are 16 games in total that use more than 6 cores. Cp2077 for instance.

[@gobravo123]

When the next X3D is coming out?

[@28Soul]

Hey, really good input, more o dat!!!!! 🙃

[@rocksfire4390]

not only is the cpu usage on the x3d lower, the gpu is higher as well. i don't think those settings are it but i still don't think non x3d parts are going to beat x3d or at the very least they should be very close to each other. also as you said, drivers/mb bios etc should make a big difference as well.

[@chadwolf3840]

What a great deep dive. Great analysis.

[@lulusunshines]

hey, what is ipc ? 16:46 thanks ; - )

[@CristanMeijer]

Instructions per clock. So if 2 processors have the same clockspeed, but 1 has 16% higher IPC, the second one will have 16% higher performance.

[@12P14D22C]

All nice and fun, but always remember, its not finished yet. Look at benchmarks when the cpu Review are out. Microcode updates, feature set etc can change

[@davidbrennan5]

Excellent work, wow.

[@kastrat0r]

I love the way you investigate such a stuff :D

[@edwxx20001]

We also don't know, at least from the article, what the ram speed was for the 9900x. This may or may not make much of a difference, Amd implied that the improvements to the infinity fabric, "might" , result in different higher speeds being the sweet spot above the current 6000 timing. depending on if its slower or faster ram could effect the final score.

[@ScrewFearMe]

What if you chose to get rid of frame gen? Would the fps and the score be similar?

[@jtenorj]

Without frame gen the average FPS would drop massively.

[@ScrewFearMe]

@@jtenorj maybe

[@jtenorj]

@@ScrewFearMe pretty sure if you were to rewatch the video, you would see the average frame rate before frame gen was in the low to mid 100s, then with frame gen on it jumped up to the mid to high 200s. I think with both frame gen and dlss or went into the 300s. So yeah, turning frame gen on nearly doubled the frame rate and turning it off again would nearly cut it in half again aka a massive drop.

[@ScrewFearMe]

@@jtenorj hmm, then there is a setting there that isnt as high as it should be for the fps to be lower as the avg framerate was 50fps too high or so.

[@ryanocallaghan8833]

Happy to see some testing, but am looking forward to Ryzen 9000 reviews. I am a gamer but X3D's lack of overall performance improvement due to clock speed and single threaded performance reduction, in addition to there being many gaming scenarios which benefit very little, is what puts me off of them. Very happy with my 7950X currently and would probably opt for a non-X3D as an upgrade if they still have the single threaded and overall performance advantage, I don't really care for the extreme frame rates in certain scenarios. On the other hand, if they manage to close the single threaded gap with Ryzen 9000X3D... mmm (doubtful though)

[@AlCapone-ic8yr]

If content creator spent time with the 6 games AMD used to show 9950x faster than 14900k and made a 14900k vs 7800x3D on those same games, he would have taken 1\3 of time he spent doing whatever he did on this video, and concluded that 7800X3D 20% faster than 9900x didn't make sense.

[@senja572]

Bravo👍 Reading these comments, how many are confident that he does a "great job" with this comparison, it wouldn't surprise me that those fools spread this over the net like a plague, claiming this as a fact.🤦‍♂️

[@Stardomplay]

This was a fun rabbit hole.

[@SpectatorOfHell]

About scaling mode. In theory, it can be used instead of integer scaling. FSR\DLSS → 1080p → 4k screen. The same mode will work if you use integer scaling in driver with 1080p game resolution on 4k Screen. Or I am wrong in understanding how it supposed to work. Integer scaling, actually awesome thing for old games or small screen with huge resolutions. It produces an image without upscaling artifacts, as if you're using a screen with this resolution. But it obviously works only with integer difference, like 1080p*2=2160 720p*3=2160p etc.

[@hopoff9968]

While this video might have been quite uneventful, it was perfect background noise for me while I ate my dinner👍

[@K11...]

It would be interesting to see this comparrison using the 7900X.

[@Ttallonn]

im definitely ready to see how these test out. wish amd would get some production samples out for benchmark testing. For me though im on a 5900x, thinking about going to the 9700x as it seems to me more adequate for my overall needs and the lower tdp (if they keep it were it is) will likely result in just a more efficient cpu thats. if they could get it sub 5% difference with the 7800x3d it would be perfect for me. speculated price on it doesnt look bad either.

[@Shahzad12357]

I think fixed fsr upscales from (any fsr setting you chose) to the resolution you chose in game But fsr biased upscales from(any fsr settings you chose) to the resolution in games and then upscales from the settings you chose in game to 4k

[@dohnnyknudsen1464]

Good job detective Daniel!

[@alecksandru]

Guys, what do you think, which processor deserves more 7800x3d or 7900x3d because I saw that there is a very small price difference between them?

[@rluker5344]

Good detective work. Don't know for certainty that you are right, but your comparison seems the best so far.

[@rluker5344]

Also the comparisons vs Intel were done with the new "intel default" settings to help those having difficulties with stability. So that is not a legitimate comparison if you are using the existing known Intel performance in games to compare vs your X3D vs this new chip. This new chip is being compared to reduced Intel performance that is not equal to the currently available Intel performance numbers that a current X3D user might be using to compare in a performance extrapolation to see how good the new chip is compared to theirs.

[@PyromancerRift]

7800X3D is around 20% faster than 7700X in gaming at 1080p. If the 9000 series is +20% performance uplift (i compared cinebench scores from 7950x and 9950x and the later is 20% faster), the 9700x should be around the same as 7800X3D. When we went from 5000 to 7000, the 7000 parts were on par with 5800X3D in gaming.

[@roki977]

Untill you run into place like Ellison square in cp2077 at high crowd and see that 7700x cant keep up with 5800x3d and 7600x get obliterated buy it with mid/high range GPU at 1440p high/ultra . When x3d counts it makes big difference.. I dont expect that any new Rysen will be even close to 7800x3d in these cpu intesive scenarios.. 8 cores with 3d cash is perefect for gaming at this point, higher freqv. the better..

[@stangamer1151]

​​@@roki977Non-3D Ryzen desperately need tuned RAM. Tightened subtimings, for example, may provide massive improvement in some rare extreme cases, like the one you are talking about. Once you tune RAM on both CPUs, Zen 4 non-3D get about 12-15% performance gain, while 5800X3D gets just about 3-5%.

[@THU31]

The 7000 series had a much bigger clock jump than the 9000 series, and it switched to DDR5, which made up for the lack of cache compared to the 5800X3D. It will be much harder for the 9000 series to compete with 7000X3D in gaming. To be honest, the 8-core 9700X seems like a pretty pointless CPU. You either want the cheapest 6-core, or you want X3D for gaming, or you want more cores for productivity.

[@robertlawrence9000]

Different motherboard? Different bios? Bus config and memory?

[@CsanadiPeter85]

AFMF?

[@pilotbsinthesky3443]

I’m good with 7800x3d until Black Friday 2025 for first price drops on 9800x3d and RTX 5060.

[@kareemreviews]

Once released, there will be optimization to utilize the unused force in the Techpowerup benchmark/screenshot, till date, this chip is unknown to the game, so it will run in a generic way.

[@clarenceoveur9497]

In Daniel we trust! Great job mate 👍🏿

[@Akaya3511]

I have a 7800x3d, When we get a 9800x3D and I'm sure we will i may just do a drop in upgrade and sell my older CPU. All depends on the real uplift and if its worth it. I play 4k maxed settings so chances are i wont have to upgrade as ill get like 1 fps more. Once we get to end of support for my Asrock X670E Steel Legend motherboard ill grab the newest CPU that fits and keep it for as long as i can. Id assume a least 1 or 2 more GPU generations. Normally if you have a high end CPU it lasts much longer then a high end GPU IMO. As long as the focus is gaming and not productivity that's CPU dependent of course.

[@arg_9584]

Just got off work, nice.

[@fryguylol]

Keep in mind that your memory timings play a huge part on AMD latency. The tighter the timings 1:1:1 and the lower the number will produce up to 15% boost in certain games, and work loads!

[@elysian3623]

but what if they didn't use frame gen? you're assuming they used frame gen because of the score and general settings but there's no info on ram types, there's also talks of 9000 supporting up to 8000mt/s ram, we will just have to sit and wait.

[@yakupsunduk7576]

Capping your fps to their result (229 fps) and using the gpu graph to match their settings might also work assuming 9900x and 7800x3d is not that far apart performance wise

[@MrMastadox]

In short, there is no way to really compare based on the information.

[@Mako2401]

7800 x 3d will be good to go for another five years. I don't see why would anyone change that kind of cou for anything if they's mostly into gaming.

[@CrystronHalq]

5090 might bottleneck it.

[@Mako2401]

@@CrystronHalq I doubt it.

[@CrystronHalq]

@@Mako2401 4090 is already on verge of bottlenecking it I believe.

[@xXXEnderCraftXXx]

@@CrystronHalq That GPU battlenecks every CPU.

[@ssaini5028]

5 yrs? Nah it will be bottlenecked by RTX 6000 and RDNA 5

[@sherrydowns4052]

I’m guessing that lower 80mb cache + higher clock vs the 7800x3d gives maybe 1%, within error margins

[@ElvinJames-qv6qi]

Actually it’s 32mb L3 cache per-ccd

[@justinpatterson5291]

I'm still gonna use my 5800X3D for now. It's got plenty of go for what I'm doing. Even it is capping my 7900 XT a little.

[@takehirolol5962]

Oh well, how many rabbit holes we have now?

[@skibidiedging]

idek if i should upgrade now or wait and the more information is available the less i know 🙏😭

[@andym171]

Just wait, new chips are coming in July

[@Berkelll]

I plan to buy PC next month, is it worth to just go for 7800X3D or wait to see how 9700X will perform and maybe buy this on B650 socket instead of 7800X3D?

[@donniejep5745]

I love my 7800x3d. Paired with my Radeon 7900xt with 20 gig vram, it runs anything in 2k and at over 200fps. It can definitely do 4k in high setting if i had a 4k monitor.

[@Dazzxp]

Also remember the 5800X3D performs on par with a 7700X, which had a 18% IPC uplift, but that's not including the revamp of the memory subsystem from DDR4 to DDR5 which is not factored into the IPC uplift and depending on how demanding the game is on the memory subsystem this can change quite a bit. E.g you might me using DDR5 6000CL30 but they could be using DDR5 4800CL38 JDEC sooo trying to do a apples to apples comparison is impressive but unfortunately it's kinda futile. Just from memory on a 7700X going from 4800CL38 to 6000CL36 there is a up to a 14% difference in performance.

[@atnfn]

The 9000 series was hyped to be such a huge upgrade (at least when I've watched the tech rumor channels). But it really doesn't seem to be any bigger upgrade than going from 5000 to 7000 series. Maybe less of an upgrade even.

[@AndyU96]

You should have validated the final setting you settled on by making sure that the benchmark score AT that setting is linearly dependent on the average fps. If it's not linear, then the 2 settings are not the same. But how, you ask? Downclock your GPU? Downclock your CPU? Limit your framerate? I recommend the first one

[@BenchmarkBoy]

Nice test!

[@R6ex]

Nice work! 👍

[@JohnChenTech]

The benchmark in the article appears to be on a TV. It’s likely the refresh rate is locked at 60 Hz. Try running the benchmark with refresh rate set to 60 Hz in Windows settings. I don’t think they used any frame generation or any FPS boosting settings. I think this was a raw High settings run. You can also try to recreate it it by connecting the RX 7900 XTX to the monitor via HDMI 2.0 or lower cable.

[@andersjjensen]

The XTX can't produce those numbers at 1080p High, so that wasn't it.

[@Isaax]

What happened to 8000 series

[@skog_1]

They made some 8000 series chips mostly meant for laptops etc. Overall worse gpu performance than 7000 series, but with better igpus. So it's not much talked about for gaming.

[@Isaax]

@@skog_1 Tragic. Thanks for the info

[@F89_]

looking to pick up a 9900x when it drops

[@elliotborst]

I might have missed some context here but how are you comparing these two CPUs? Trying to match the score and frame rate assumes you know they actually perform the exact same, I don’t understand the point of this attempt to match their benchmark score.

[@tech4u2022]

One thing i can mention is that refresh rates have an exponential effect on subjacent hardware such as GPU's. Maybe if you try to use different refresh rates you could pinpoint the CPU's powerdraw to get a sensible baseline parameter to work with. But then again it might just be dust in the wind ...

[@Infernalfury]

Great Video FG ON 100%

[@starjones101]

Going back down my hardware rabbit hole here we go

[@GabrielCarvalho-gd8op]

One interesting thing to notice is that the CPU % was higher while the GPU was lower. The 9900X is a 12c part vs 8c on the 7800X3D, so, technically, it should be harder to get higher utilization on the part with more cores. Now, one thing that would make the CPU utilization higher while having lower performance is memory bandwidth starvation. Go see some of David's video and compared the loser single channel vs dual channel. There is a big drop is CPU utilization in some games, even when he's running with the iGPU. That 62GB might indicate that there is 2GB dedicated to the iGPU and maybe it's running with 4 DIMM's, which would reduce the memory clocks. Maybe closer to 4800MT/s. Would be interesting to see Daniel try downclocking his memory to see how much it affects the 7800X3D in this benchmark. Also, it would be nice to have a comparison between the X3D and the normal chips in this game, since some games have HUGE gains with v-cache and others don't. So we could check an 7900X and apply 16% on top and see if it makes sense (Not all workloads are going to give a 16% boost with Zen 5)

[@imglidinhere]

My theory is what your first one was. Bios has not had any significant updates and the like. If you tried to run a 5000 series CPU on a motherboard that could have theoretically run it, it might run, but if it's like... a beta version of the needed bios, i remember seeing my 5800X3D sit at 3GHz and wouldn't budge. Not saying this is going to that extreme length, but it very well could be. :P

[@davidgunther8428]

From the announced numbers I was expecting 7800X3D to be equal to the 9900X. If it was 20% slower it would be about regular Zen4 performance levels.

[@melexxa]

you may wanna check benchmarks again between zen 4 and zen 4 X3D, in some games and no I'm not talking about factorio, the difference is over 35% easily.

[@BlackJesus8463]

yup!

[@eugkra33]

I don't know how they will sell a single one of the 9700x CPUs unless they price them below the 7800x3D. Or at minimum on par, because the 9700x likely will be better in most productivity workloads, even if worse in gaming. The claimed $399 is actually what it launches it, it'll really poorly reviewed. Or they'll probably jack the price of the 7800x3D back up to over $400.

[@sci6769]

I was worried that I made a mistake by not waiting a month longer but I suppose I'm good with my 7800X3D

[@Kmcornell23]

I really want to do a platform upgrade just to upgrade but I don't want to pay more money for equal or less performance. I was really hoping for a 9800x3d but sadly that hasn't happened yet. As much as I'd love to upgrade, I think I'm going to hold out for an X3D variant. I currently have a 5900x paired with a 7900xtx so it's not like I'm hurting, but I've just been on AM4 since it launched and I want that AM5! 😂 I just have to be able to justify the upgrade and if what's coming out isn't any better, I have zero reason to justify an upgrade.

[@Games_and_Tech]

based on Daniels's tests, the 7800X3D seems to be 20% faster...

[@andersjjensen]

Makes sense. Avatar doesn't like the 7900X either. AMD's 12 core parts should be completely ignored by gamers. You go 6, 8 or 16. With or without V-Cache depending on your wallet, game preferences, and other use cases for your computer. I suspect AMD did this completely on purpose. The logical choice, if they wanted to build hype, was to let them play with the 9700X. With a 16% IPC uplift and a 2.2% clock bump the theoretical average uplift is 18.5%. Which would put it precisely at 7800X3D average performance, since the 7800X3D is 17-19% faster on average than the 7700X.

[@mttrashcan-bg1ro]

@@andersjjensen Yeah that sounds about right, the 5900X is the hottest of the Ryzen 5000 chips, and had the most issues. Still a great CPU, but the 5950X ran slightly faster and noticeably cooler, I barely know anything about the 7900X or 7900X3D, because it seems like most people either got the 8 core or the 16 core parts. Imo, you're better off with a non-3D chip based on them being more stable and more consistent. Much like Intel's 12th gen chips onward, the 3D chips aren't always properly utilized by games and applications, while having other problems because they're newer technologies. The 5800X or the 7950X or 9900X or whatever non-3D chips are just basic CPUs with SMT and not doing anything new or fancy that requires support from developers.

[@evalangley3985]

From AMD IPC numbers, in some games the Zen5 uarch have a massive advantage. F1 and Horizon are really surprising and way faster than the 7800x3D.

[@Cool-kk2vl]

because amd cpu, if utilized cross ccd core will cause too much latency. So like 7900x will basically perform same as 7600x if they are in same clock(btw, it's not that hard to oc 7600x to 7900x stock pbo frequency )

[@ZackSNetwork]

@@mttrashcan-bg1roBecause the 7900x3d cut its 12 cores in half meaning it only works with 6 cores.

[@dragonbike471]

just picked up a r9 7900x for $175 im holding onto it for 5yrs yup great deal then ill get the 11900x3dXTX XXX AI