2025 Harley Davidson Rumors 2.0

[@DimitriLeeBX]

Bull that they cant make and sell it at an affordable price. If Yamaha can build, ship, and pay import duties on the MT 09 and sell them at 10,000 in the USA Harley can do it. Aprilia builds and sells affordable Italian made sports bike. Harley just want ridiculous margins.

[@joel8034]

Part of the problem is American greed. The absolute love of money. And laziness for high pay.

[@tangerineRIDES13]

My z900 is sub 400lbs,125hp,all led lights and abs with rider modes for 9500.if they priced it lower than the indian ftr and had better perfirmance it would sell

[@fxlrsaz6363]

That CEO needs to step down and go sell shoes once more!!

[@JohnSmith-de2mz]

He'd be better at selling dress's and women's cosmetics

[@fxlrsaz6363]

@JohnSmith-de2mz 💯

[@mikevaughan7681]

Nothing will get better until that idiot is gone.!

[@trevorsnyderofficial]

I'm 32 and just want a new old style sportster back

[@LooxJJ]

Don't need it back - just get a used Evo ones for cheap and customize it however you want it. It's not only easy to work on, but also the parts are cheap now. If you take care of it, it will last you more than 200k~300k problem free miles.

[@richpuller1348]

Sportster sucks. Just go buy a used one. Dip stick!!

[@white_devil73]

​@richpuller1348 you're about an idiot.

[@HD2O13XL12OOC]

I love my 2013 XL 1200c

[@ParabolicBox]

Just buy a used one. They're not rare.

[@JA-zh5xi]

Harley could fix a lot of problems by: 1) scrap the Livewire, Nightster and sportster s. 2) Make the Bronx 3) Bring back the real sportsters and a springer deluxe. 4) keep the limited touring models. 5) Lower prices by 10%.

[@marathon8649]

And I want GM to bring back the 1974 Cadillac my dad had when I was a kid..... That's what y'all sound like

[@JA-zh5xi]

@ the difference is no one is buying the bikes in suggested they scrap. Don’t believe me? Search any Harley dealer group for new 2023 models. You will find the overwhelming majority to be - you guessed it - Nightster, sportster s and pan America.

[@PanM8]

Ja-zh5xi sounds like you should be in H-D's planning department. The Springers are gone because they weren't selling well. The Sportsters went as far as they could go. What else could they do with them? I agree with you on the Sportster S. It was a mistake. But that's not the first one that they have made over the years. (Deuce, Rocker and others) Unfortunately, the CEO and the board are way out of touch with the consumer. Price has always been high with Harleys. I own a 1971 Electra Glide. That bike was around $2500.00 new. (About $20,000.00 in today's money)

[@JohnSmith-de2mz]

How bout quit making anything designed after 1970 and bring back the Panhead? Get real

[@thisisatestoftheemer]

A Pan Am on 17s makes a lot of sense; for the most part Multistradas and GSes are only ridden on the street, and they sell a ton of both despite being $26k+ bikes.

[@GIGABACHI]

AMEN to 17" wheels. I have no dirt around to ride, nor a my suicidal to be riding a tall +550lbs motorcycle on it.

[@DesertCoyote-t5k]

19 Front and 17 rear, traction, control, switchable, ABS, rider, modes, cruise control, tubeless tires, I feel like I’m dreaming now

[@organichotdog3807]

Instead of making the Bronx, Harley made a bad decision and put out the Nightster. All they had to do was put that 975 engine into a naked-style chassis. You mean they couldn't offer one - just one bike that wasn't a cruiser? If Indian can do it, why couldn't they? I'm telling you, the Bronx would have had a cult following just like the SV650 had back in the day. Of course, it wouldn't be any faster than the SV, and it would be heavier and not as nimble. But it would have been their first naked sports bike for the American market and it would have sold well if it cost no more than the Nightster. I have yet to see one Nightster on the road. What a terrible decision.

[@DesertCoyote-t5k]

I agree. Aside from my first motorcycle, which was a Yamaha. I have ridden Harley’s all my life. When I saw the Bronx concept I was sold and ready to buy. Unfortunately they made a big mistake by not producing the Bronx. Now I ride a Triumph Street Triple 765 and couldn’t be happier. 9995.00 MSRP R model. In light of Harley Davidson‘s woke policy and failure to keep up with the times, I am hesitant to ever buy another Harley Davidson.

[@SheppC42]

agreed. the Nightster just reminds me of the XG and the XG had potential but they dropped the ball on it and went with piss poor quality... it takes some work but now alotta of us are taking the XG platform and making them naked streetfighters for much cheaper. ive got a 2015 im screwing with now but if im honest, id happily drop the money on the Honda Hornet SP or Yamaha MT its a shame really.

[@dimaggiodt]

Ohlins was purchased by Brembo. Harley has a long working relationship with Brembo. Harley moving to Ohlins makes sense.

[@thevtadventure1062]

I just want a lighter, simpler 975 Pan am. I have a XR1200, Dyna and old shovel. The XR modified is extremely well handing bike. I rode a new pan am too they are nice but didn’t have the feel of the XR. So a Bronx or XR1250 would be awesome

[@F-tt3xv]

XR1200 is a top heavy, vibrating piece of crap. Sold mine after a few weeks, total crap with zero resale value here.

[@donaldsoncole3095]

I went to the local HD dealer in my area over the holiday, prices still high , and floor traffic was light !!!

[@deltabluesdavidraye]

Bring back the Sportster

[@davidhardy4419]

I ain't gonna lie, I look forward to these Harley rumors from your channel every year. Giggy like a school girl. Te he he.

[@throttleblip9854]

Glad you like them! Sometimes it feels “hacky” to make them but I enjoy watching tech rumors and rumors on other things I’m interested in. It’s also fun to see how accurate they are when we finally get the bikes.

[@STATION26ADDISON]

Dude everybody loves the rumors I love watching these

[@patrickcaudill2939]

Just subscribed to your channel. Love your “no-fluff” insights into what’s going on. Yes, Harley suspensions suck! Even if they are contractually bound with Showa, fine. Can’t tell me Showa doesn’t have available options for improvement. Stay safe and I look forward to your next video 👍🏼🙏

[@bryanphillips56]

The yellow style is way better looking!!

[@Anton_G_604]

Hope you reach 50K man, you deserve it, excellent content over the years. I'm thinking they may decrease suspension travel and put 17" wheels on the new Pan Am to make more of a roadster and also more accessible to shorter riders thus circumventing the Bronx issue. As sad as it is, I think you're absolutely right about the Bronx, HD cannot compete with the MT 09 in terms of pricing.

[@throttleblip9854]

I can see that for sure. 17’’ wheels on that bike would be amazing. I may do that on the next HD I build. They may look a little funny but the handling and tire options are well worth the trade.

[@IanSixbikes-by6ei]

Interesting video , looking at the image of the Breakout, the headlight certainly appears to be round rather than ovel which is a good thing , it also looks like they may have updated the instruments, if that is the case then that would again be a welcome change as the current instrument display is really difficult to read when on the move.

[@thiagomassa7619]

CVO road king and the new dyna family!

[@richardreich5090]

I enjoy this content, we are some 30-40 days from knowing for sure

[@joemann3536]

That why I put a Screamin Eagle 119 C.I. and a TRASK exhaust into my 2023 FXST. also glad I got it in black because of the price increase in 2024. Would be nice if they would offer a simpler blacked out Breakout. also, when will they make a softtail with the RevMax motor? Indian scout line-up would have competition if they did. thanks for the review.

[@JohnSmith-de2mz]

I'm 72 and started out on a Sportster in 1974 then went to a ShovelHead SuperGlide quickly, now on a 03 hotRod Dyna. When I hear guys say they should get rid of the Rev Max motor and bring back the old Sportster it piss's me off. Keep refining the big twin and keep refining the RevMax. I happen to like the Nightster, I rode one because I was curious. Get rid of the Sportster S, that thing is ugly, and make a street version of the Hooligan race bike. Also start drag racing the RevMax.

[@thelost_woods]

The breakout has had a 117 for quite some time already

[@throttleblip9854]

Correct. The new 117 makes more power though.

[@victorgonza4528]

Buell is making the better machine super cruiser and the street fighter models respectively.

[@Dyna-mite154]

But they aren’t making the super cruiser yet….

[@wrongthinker350]

Super cruiser will be released 2025.

[@Dyna-mite154]

@@wrongthinker350 supposedly

[@rocktauber]

That Buell Supercruiser is Super Ugly. They are not building the Roland Sands Version. Look at the Bike on the Website....wtf??

[@wrongthinker350]

@rocktauber so pretty much like a Harley you'll have to customize it straight from the factory. I'm sure they will offer that custom radiator at a cost of course. And that god-awful exhaust has to go right away as well. Other than that, looks pretty much the same.

[@BrizBiker]

The 24 breakout and lowriders already have the 117 here in Australia.

[@luisrivas34]

Same in México, it is assumed same in EUA.

[@richpuller1348]

Throttle Blip is talking about the new upgraded 117 that came out this year on the touring models.

[@davidgosling8542]

Breakout looks like a handlebar mounted speedo instead of the mini one!

[@stevenpierce4359]

I have 18000 spent on my 2020 RKS 131 engine and all Harley shops offer was 13000 to 15000 for it lol I will let it rust for thst

[@RobertMountfort]

I'll be keeping my Hot rod 06 road king

[@usmcvet0313]

If you want a Bronx, just go buy an Indian FTR Sport.

[@throttleblip9854]

Better get one soon, I hear the FTR is gone next year. Sucks because I love that bike especially the Carbon model.

[@usmcvet0313]

That would suck, I like them. I think the Sport is a good value for what you get. I guess that lends credence to what Harley is saying about the Bronx somewhat. If Indian can’t make the FTR successful, why would the Bronx be any more successful.

[@granttaylor2000]

The Breakout and the Lowrider past two years in Australia been on the 117

[@brucem8129]

I agree with you on all 3. Good intel.

[@CorridorCulprit]

I would love to see a sportier road version of the Pan America. It's probably the closest thing that we'll get that'll push Harley out of their comfort zone. They definitely need something, they're a bit stale all around the board at this time

[@InterstateVet]

Nice, what have you heard about Ultra’s for 2025? I personally think they’re going to update the trike and Ultra with front end and 121 motor.

[@loganpflanz4514]

Showa can make good suspension, they’ve had a Ohlins FGR balanced piston style fork and shock for about a decade. Would be nice if Harley spec’d something like that or CVO ST or Screamin Eagle Ohlins suspension was a factory option.

[@michaelcarley7016]

My 2019 RGS is a dream to ride. You AFOS

[@twobeagles1365]

Yes, mine is too EXCEPT The crappy shocks front and rear, I put a heavy duty set of Fox on mine, so I can two up and ride and handling be safer ,,,, now it is right !

[@Warthog71]

Indie Ridge gives veterans discount as well.

[@peteduch2151]

From watching other video,s it's clear young people have not got a lot of money so bikes 5 to 6000 will sell so no harley

[@gordonwrichert8240]

i have a 2015 cvo road glide i bought it used with 16000km on it i had it for a month and the air shocks on the back started to leak and the forks are way to soft for a $40000.00 dollar bike this is a bad joke spent some money put legends front and rear and iam happy Harley can make affordable bikes for there riders IF THEY WANT TO OTHER COMPANIES DO IT ALL THE TIME

[@nunyabidness9257]

Harley Fucked up bigtime with the Bronx. The rider that wants a well spec’d big naked muscle bike is not the younger guy looking for a $12-15k bike. Harley shot themselves in the foot by telling everyone that this was going to get the smaller version of the Revolution Max engine….. making it an 8 or 900cc bike means positioning it in the “middleweight” market these days… Yes, that means you are competing for sales with excellent bikes like the MT-09 and Street Triple for that $12-15k range. They should have kept it as a 1250, gave it all the electronics the Panamerica has, spent a little more on fit and finish, give it maybe 10hp more than the Panamerica and it would be a legitimate contender for guys who are looking hard at bikes like the Indian FTR’s, the Triumph Speed Triples, Tuono V4’s etc. Those are older riders with a little discretionary spending money and know what they want. Get the power in the right ballpark, give it the same electronics and rider aids that all big bikes have now, and make it look good….. it’s not that hard. If Indian can do it with even less power, so can Harley.

[@wrongthinker350]

That is exactly the bike I'm looking for right now. And yes I'm a little older with discretionary budget.

[@manuelcamacho-cazares4639]

I have a 2022 road king that I will not trade in for another Harley. Just not there with starting over with overpriced bikes. If I do trade it in, it will be for a metric bike...Honda, Kawasaki...etc.

[@zavlo72]

RG3 with new fairing/skyline OS?

[@JD1459]

HD does need to upgrade their suspensions, especially their rear suspension. I have probably spent 6 grand upgrading my 2020 Road Glide special to get it almost where I want it.

[@killacoiler1707]

I have said from its release that Harley missed the target with the Pan America that they needed to make a naked flat tracker inspired model to directly compete with Indian's FTR model. There are tons of younger riders that want machines made by American companies that they can build hooligan bikes out of and the FTR has fit that bill in most respects. Yes having the Bronx would be the ticket but with how greedy Harley is with its pricing it would never sell. The last hooligan machine that was Harley built was the Buell XB 9s and the XB 12s. If you ever rode one of these machines you would understand that for those wanting a sport naked that you could stunt and just rip around on and weren't worried about top speed and 1/4 mile times, these bikes had torque for days unrivaled handling and were American made. Now days the only option in the price range is the FTR or buy a metric like an MT 07, 09 etc. Harley is quickly alienating the generation of riders that will keep the company significant moving forward and have priced them out of obtainium for that consumer base. Sure Buell is making what people ultimately want but again it is at unobtainium niche pricing. The thing that I do like about Buell is that they do not have huge amounts of electronic rider aids and are more like the performance machines of eras gone by where you ride a machine by the seat of your pants and the feedback that you processed not a computer. Again these are hand built machines with pricing that reflects custom shop builds making them a limited consumer base accessible. We need more American sport focused machines at competitive pricing and unfortunately under its current management, Harley is never going to fill that void.

[@zombiemike5611]

The light looks different. Also may have more of a cone shape to it.

[@scottlin777]

2025 rumor...jochen zeitz will be gone (i hope).

[@dennythomas8887]

Looking at the 2025 HD's that 80's song by the Vapors "Turning Japanese" keeps running through my head. 🎶🎶 "I think I'm turning Japanese, I think I'm turning Japanese, I really think so" 🎶🎶 Nothing I've seen so far makes me even remotely interested in trading in my 2016 Ultra Limited. I guess they have to try and cater to a younger crowd who equate tech and computers with with being cool. Us old geezers that has been on HD's for 50+ years are fading out at an alarming rate, so they have to find a new customer base with the YamaHonSaki crowd.

[@DavidSmith-jj5pr]

Bronx would have sold like hotcakes a few years ago when it was supposed to be released 🤣

[@STATION26ADDISON]

Yeah but if they price it like they did the Live Wire it's going to sink ship and that's what Harley's known for expensive ass shit

[@ragingtyga]

Not really, it looked cool, but with the 975, it's performance wasn't competitive

[@3percentmick705]

Harley’s biggest problem right now is that people want to love them but they’ve just lost interest because they’re just doing what Apple does. Bring the smallest of changes that’s not really an upgrade and sell it for more.

[@GIGABACHI]

Give me a Road Glide Ultra with the 1250, ONE PIECE CRANK, unit construction, liquid cool engine ! FFS, is almost 2025 ! Get on with the times ! Oh, almost forgot . . . give me a ROAD FOCUSED Pan America with a 17" front wheel ! Something similar to the BMW S1000XR !

[@elithegreat6463]

That oval Breakout Headlight was/is a parts bin from the FXDR

[@3089280288]

It needs a new look.

[@My.name.goes.here.]

Even if a 150 horsepower Bronx was priced at 17-18k it would sell. I think they just really don’t fully understand who their customer base is, who they could be, what they want, or how much they’re willing to pay. Guess I’m about done with Harley.

[@marathon8649]

Id say if Harley wants to make a real splash, turbo something....anything out of their line up.

[@cloudyontwo]

I don't think prices should go up, if anything they should come down even more. Also, I wish Harley would simply compete in MotoGP with the Bronx, then they could create a market to compete with the BMW RR, Ducati, Kawasaki, etc...

[@BorisBlade7]

The bronx could be profitable and quite competitive at 15-16k (could be more, dont know the exact details of this bike, 18k could be fine too) if they give it the full 150hp of the pan am, they choose not to do it because they cant gouge consumers who buy those like they do normally to cruiser buyers. Also the prices of some bikes went down because their sales are tanking. They had a 40% drop in sales year over year. Dealers arent taking any new models because they cant sell the old ones. Corporate plans were to not do new bikes (like the bronx etc) to fix their shrinking market and instead decided to up the prices on everything from bikes, to plans, to parts, to service. They now make double profit from each sale and all associated with it, but it still wont be enough if they just stick to their old ways. (and this gouging just drives new riders away even more) they desperately need to get some wider bike variety, and need some cheaper bikes to bring in newer riders and cheaper bikes that arent cruisers. The Bronx could be great, as would a smaller pan am(all the stuff the previous CEO was doing), and see where it goes from there. They have great engineers and designers, but terrible corporate focused on short term gains ignoring long term failure. And unfortunately obnoxious core buyers who get angry when Harley tries to add other bikes or try to do something different for once like it would somehow make all the cruiser bikes catch fire if they added a naked bike, or other styles, that insanity needs to stop. My vote is to branch out, fill out the line up with more styles, and some cheaper bikes for beginners. They already brand some starter bikes in other countries as Harley, but they are made by another company entirely. Do somethin like that or design their own and have it made in india to cut costs like many companies do and bring that to the US. Great bike manufacturers there. When your avg FIRST time harley buyer is 44 and your core buyers are all dying off, you gotta do something different to get new riders. Again, 40% loss in sales in just one year and it was already low. They wont last long if they just keep doing what they are now.

[@DesertCoyote-t5k]

Can we get Apple CarPlay, traction, control, switchable ABS, cruise control, heated grips, quick shifter, 19 inch front wheel, tubeless tires on a 975 Pan America. No? ok back on 20K Africa Twin no problem.

[@JTFLHX09]

Any rumors on trikes, RG3 wondering if they will upgrade fairing?

[@frankfurther3828]

aka tractor

[@norsmanadventures]

Yeah, the headlight is gross. Then again, I'm not a huge breakout fan. A spin on the Pan America would be cool, but that bike itself is still not reliable... stator, starter clutch, right switch gear, fuel pumps, etc. I just had to pay $2,800 out of warranty to fix almost all of that.

[@markferguson9981]

Was thinking same thing is this old video.

[@FRWD_FXLRST]

Who even buys the Breakout? It’s ugly. 😂

[@saddle8bag]

The problem with you kids that think you need race suspensions on street bikes is that you can't define what "best" means. Best for what? The front suspension on my Road King is wonderful for long brisk rides on real streets. It is the Showa dual bending valve thingy. It is supremely comfy and I've ground the boards to a knife edge with them. The rear shocks aren't much to speak of, but the 3" stock bouncers aren't terrible. I replaced mine with Legends and there was a bit of improvement over smaller bumps, but it was a pretty marginal improvement for the money to my mind. I've ridden my share of bikes with Ohlins and the damn things are sprung about as nicely as a hardtail chopper. Great for racing around a finely manicured Euro racetrack. Utter garbage riding on public roads. Someone did a vid and admitted that after riding the upside down forks on the CVO against the stock bike Glides, the CVO felt twitchy and insecure. Stop buying the hype. You think HDs are expensive now, wait until they have to buy overpriced Italian race components for all the people who want to tour. And if they know what they're doing, they'll want to change them for cheaper forks. That said, Polaris suspension feel better mainly because they have more travel and are less likely to bottom out over bigger bumps.

[@SmittyAZ]

Have you spent some time on bikes with electronic suspension?

[@kokilimonke]

What overpriced Italian race components are you thinking of?

[@SmittyAZ]

@@kokilimonke The ones now made in China.

[@RideFaster]

You think the stock STs handle good? NO WAY..... those things are piles in the canyons....they have to be upgraded.......FTW

[@bernardlesperance742]

!00% certain it's a different headlight on the Breakout in the photo you show. It's a different shape in every dimension and put together differently, no question. I personally never liked the headlight on the Breakout, so such a change would be welcomed by me at any rate. As to the veracity of this picture, any element of the image could be photoshoped in - including the people; so their presence in the image doesn't really mean anything in terms of the truth factor of the image.

[@frankfurther3828]

Without changes in the boardroom, 2025 is HD's last year. Let's recall the corporate greed demise of another American icon Sears, which also moved tool manufacturing offshore in their final years.

[@frankfurther3828]

And they MAY survive with the re-issue of the FLHS or the FLHT, affordable by the common man.

[@downhill7271]

what r u talkin about lowriders already got the 117

[@baconactual3858]

I think he meant the 121 but who knows

[@Warthog71]

@@baconactual3858which means he made 2 mistakes because the 2024 Breakout comes with a M8 117

[@zavlo72]

he means the updated 117. just like he said.

[@d-dotjohnson7596]

What they're going to do about the Sportster 48

[@Robert-xs2mv]

Lace up riding boots? Eeck

[@leonardoatx3]

Two things that screw the breakout for me is that disgusting plastic shit headlight and that f@#%k shit digital gauge .. the rest is perfect. But those two points kill it for me at least.

[@spartanx169x]

The German guy running Harley is well on his way to destroying the brand. The thought that they could not make the Bronx profitable is absurd. They just don't want to actually put in the effort to do so.

[@GrumpyRides]

Why do Harley only fit single discs to models like the breakout and fat boy. Would have thought due to the weight it would have twins.

[@jerryb113]

2022 fatbob nation🤘🍀

[@thelost_woods]

Scrap the breakout, its too much of a early 2000s lame OCC vibe. 70s style choppers are much more appealing. Scrap the Breakout for a new Wide Glide-esque model

[@throttleblip9854]

I'm not a fan of it either but people still go crazy for it. The Euro market it does much better than US. I wasn't very nice in my review of it and it's still by far my most watched video of all time. Crazy.

[@leonardoatx3]

I have an original 2013 Dyna Super Glide so I know what a piece of shit is that suspension

[@D1cko888]

Rubbish regarding the Bronx pricing. That would sell at those prices. They just need to make the damn thing and see it sell.

[@RNintheTrenches]

Crap. I was hoping you'd say the Evo Sportsters would be back for the U.S. market. I'm going Evo 48 hunting now.

[@userz9481]

To hell with harley Davidson, not what you think you are anymore

[@logangodofcandy]

Harley's are crap bikes. They just go in a straight line. You don't need bleeding ohlins, just a proper gas suspension

[@davidwagner1252]

No , not a chance

[@Bluecollarguy87]

In my opinion, especially because they went down that political route and they went down the wrong side. I think it would be stupid of them to jump the price up $2000.

[@nunyabidness9257]

FWIW, the reason the Road Glide handles so well is because Erik Buell designed the frame.

[@F-tt3xv]

Most are tired on the overpriced boring US motorcycles. I hope Trump will impose the tariffs he shouts about, so we can get rid of the crap bikes here……..

[@mikeskidmore6754]

HD should Produce the Broncs in Asia like they are with the Pan America Engine and maybe the New Liquid cooled Sportster.

[@johnskidmore9020]

Screw harley they went woke

[@Eagle11234]

Woke!

[@HowardHunt-s7z]

Suspension was upgraded in 24. Ohlins has been available for awhile. Get off your cross. You won't see much change in the softail line up. Colors will be it. Why not a wet head Road King? Moving Rev Max to Thailand will kill it. Now get rid of JZ!

[@richpuller1348]

I bought the Indie Ridge boots wore them for two years. They are an OK boot but they are not great.

[@richpuller1348]

My sister is screwing a big wig at HD. She told me the Street Bob is going to get the 117.

[@Robert-xs2mv]

117? The 121 is the new standard soon enough

[@Nils_Martin]

Öhlins is the best suspension on the market, hands down. No other manufacturer even comes close to Öhlins excellens. Harley and Öhlins sims like a perfect partnership to me, i mean that's a no brainer. Öhlins also referred to as "Swedish Gold." Always go for GOLD! No 1!