Classic Vanilla WoW Rogue Deep-Dive with LMGD | Classic WoW Rogue Guide

[@Fropxy]

8:08 races 11:10 leveling 12:40 rotation, opener (questing) 14:05 leveling speed, comparison with other classes 15:50, 19:20 leveling build 17:40 frontstabing 19:30 one of the best ability in the game to tag the mob 25:10 items from quest or while leveling 31:30 priority things when u reach lvl 60 32:45 to do list for hardcore player lvl 60 38:40 how much time need to get pre raid bis 41:00 raiding builds for MC, 43:42 BWL, AQ 46:50 49:30 pre raid BIS 56:50 professions 59:00 continue of pre raid BIS 1:1:10 consumables and 1:13:05 farming consumables 1:21:40 addons 1:30:39 MC Lucifron tips, mechanics 1:38:15 unfortunately, lmgd does not want to go deep into the mechanics of combat, although I expected such things and subtleties from this video with one of the best rogues in the world, and not a discussion of 1.5 hours of information, which is so easy can be found in the guides. This claim is of course more to the interviewer, what he decided to spend time on and how to structure everything 1:40:30 Q&A 1:43:30 spell batching 1:46:50 when do u replace a devilsaur set? 1:47:50 seal fate build after AQ 1:48:40 type down, procs 1:49:34 favorable matchup as a rogue 1v1 1:50:34 attributes for a raid leader 1:52:18 stone form or escape artist for pvp 1:53:14 values and scripts from private servers are eschewing the real difficulty of vanilla 1:56:10 rogues and thunderfury 1:57:52 cadaverous set 1:59:17 ret paladins in raid

[@verge8513]

1:24:57 do you know what heys trying to say for the addon at this time stamp cant find it through google thanks :)

[@Fropxy]

i suppose "KTM Threatmeter"

[@verge8513]

@@Fropxy thanks

[@ShadezProductionOfficial]

My man, i love people like you in the comment section. Keep it up

[@Cadaveri]

props to this dude ^^

[@paradeduck]

2023 and I'm watching a tips out deep dive. It's now clear where the heroin is kept in wow.

[@TheRedRedKroovy]

17:52 "What is frontstabbing?" "It's like... backstabbing a mob but... from the front." "So it's like you're in front... but you can backstab them?" "Yeah." "I gotchu I gotchu absolutely"

[@twsartadventures3660]

except none of that was said. It's running through the mob to bug it, the game counts the mob as always facing you, even if they arent. So if you run through it you will be both behind it and in front of it.

[@TheRedRedKroovy]

@@twsartadventures3660 it's called paraphrasing. People usually do it when making a joke.

[@thegoat2985]

@John Mcgee Dayum who hurt you? lmao

[@BenCarnage]

I've leveled as a Hemo rogue a few times, play well and you have extremely little downtime. Also for most mobs you can kill them quite fast. The biggest gearpiece to upgrade frequently is your weapons (du'h?). You have your cooldowns ready in any situation where you may need them, pretty good control for multi-target encounters when you need to deal with that. Vs single target you're pretty badass at chaining kills. I would put rogue leveling above warriors. You also have the massive advantage of stealth for skipping both inconvenient encounters and to dodge gankers. If you keep your weapon up to date encounters should generally be fast and you take very little damage. If you get a good dagger for your level you might even spend some time using Ambush as your opener on squishy enemies.

[@maxklauscher5930]

I just want to say that I love the in depth discussion of all the many details of playing these classes, thanks for such excellent content!

[@lucianosimmons3003]

So incredible. I did naxx as a rogue and I learned quite few new things here. This was great. The shadow spell dps was new to me. Lucifron breakdown was exceptional. Didn't know it could be that technical.ty!

[@Phloat]

For those planning to go over 24 hours on day one keep a couple things in mind: there have been recorded cases of people having strokes and heart attacks from staying up 48 hours straight. If you're in your teens to mid 20s with a strong heart not surrounded by fat you can probably get away with 48 hours. But please be careful and dont put yourself in danger over a video game. On top of that legislators are focusing on video games way more than back in '04, made evident by loot box laws. Please dont be the guy who dies in 2019 from not eating, sleeping, or using the bathroom, because you may inspire some idiot politician to push a bullshit law. Have fun, but know your limits and be safe.

[@pastrie42]

I honestly think this should pop up after 24 hours of play. I used to do this in my early 20's, and it's just bad for you all around. Someone with a more normal schedule will beat you in the end, just from being well rested...and they will live longer. ;)

[@JDiles1994]

"If you are ahead of the zerg, you can go improved sprint. If you're behind, better to go for the parry chance first. So, 5 points into deflection.."

[@TipsOutBaby]

Rogue talk starts at 07:30 Also - I gotchu, I gotchu

[@galloptarz7154]

Tips Out learned from ur bahjeera vid i see 👀

[@olafbrolaf3968]

absolutely insane

[@Scrumpchwrap]

Love these deep dives.. tell me you're doing one for Paladin's. Pretty please

[@codeboy_henry]

This series is incredible, thanks again and again tips

[@tombearpark4617]

Definitely one of your best guests, incredibly informative and friendly. I tip my hat to you, Tips.

[@flup350]

This is really good information. Much mkre than other guides around. Even if you say "gotcha" around 50 times, somehow you need to make clear that you understood his depth nerd knowledge. I really enjoyed this. There was only one good laugh I had. "get these dal'rend, their not that hard to get".

[@TheSwartz]

There is no front stabbing in Classic. There is no hamstring kiting in Classic. Spell batching will be in Classic. Dire Maul and World Bosses will be in Phase 2 (per Blue post on March 11th)

[@lolz643]

Where can I find the Consumables List and other links you said you were going to post?

[@nunofyourbusiness2199]

I was going to ask the sane question. Did you ever find them?

[@CookedPotatoes47]

@@nunofyourbusiness2199 I think he was going to update them but he'll probably link them on his discord

[@LoLBluepaint]

Just finished watching it all. Damn, I wasn't expecting to learn so much. I picked up 5 or 6 useful things from this. Thanks Tips, so awesome you were able to do this, as well as thanks LMGD. Btw, any chance we can get that link to the consumables you mentioned?

[@TipsOutBaby]

shoot, we did this a while ago let me try and find it

[@MatziUndSo]

id also like the consumable list yo

[@gtrraider84]

Tips Out where’s that list @Tips Out

[@wingsofsuspensionlifts6814]

thistle tea, winter squid, free action potion, probably a few more

[@bobbytobby419]

@@TipsOutBaby give us the list!

[@Ghost3210]

I feel him there, I started in range DPS, later went Melee DPS and Tank, now I mainly heal, but still enjoy some damage or tanking. All roles and classes are great and should be tried out ;)

[@RX7FDfreak]

Really loving the professionalism of your content. Sub'd

[@Shauma_llama]

Hey man, I loved your videos and watched more than a few before classic came out. Miss hearing what you have to say. 😪 Wherever you are, I hope you're well and still having fun with vanilla. I know I am. Really enjoying double-sword Rogue. 😊

[@koffiegast]

Pre weapon-speed standardization get barman shanker + scarlet kris, or perdition blade or alike for weapons. Post standardization just any higher dps weapon with appropriate gear will do. For pvp get 21/8/22. For pve, just get smth combat with either weapon spec and the accompanied weapons. Get hit > ap > crit/agi > str or whatever they have predetermined as BiS.

[@sirdavallen3]

"You made 8k gold in 2 days?.." "yeh"

[@bad_idea_goblin]

@John Mcgee Jesus Christ... 0-100

[@benhauenstein8249]

@John Mcgee You need a therapy.

[@benhauenstein8249]

@John Mcgee After getting to that point it's LITERALLY what they said. He described it further afterwards. 34:44 btw

[@benhauenstein8249]

@John Mcgee Again: OP QUOTED him. They said exactly these words. I really hope you're kidding, otherwise you shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.

[@benhauenstein8249]

@John Mcgee I'm good, thanks.

[@unchiusm]

Awesome insight buddy ! Helped me alot to prepare for my Vanilla Rogue .

[@Gabeko925]

Can you post the consumeable list that Lmgd made? Cant find it in the description but could be nice to have :). Great vid tho, watched over an hour of it.

[@brycemoorhead3535]

Priest deep dive next please! Show the healers some love

[@DazePhase]

My main class from 10+ years. World of Roguecraft FTW. ♥

[@WY6IX-Show]

For the Rogue 🤘

[@lickzinator]

i have a question, do rogues use poisions while leveling? is it worth to do the quest line for the poisions while leveling or should be done at lvl 60?

[@Bumgrowth]

In regards to weapon milestones that they touch upon around minute 25:00 : Thrash Blade is a reward from a Maraudon quest and according to current patch release plans, Maraudon will not be released upon launch. Thus no Thrash Blade. Here are some other weapon milestones for alliance: Cruel Barb @ lvl 19 from Deadmines Electrocutioner Leg (superfast OH) @ lvl 29 from Gnomeregan Sword of Serenity (to go with Vanquisher's Sword) @ around lvl 38 from SM quest

[@asdf-vq3wv]

Maraudon will be released at lunch, DM won't be. Trash blade will be available day one.

[@Bumgrowth]

@@asdf-vq3wv Just double checked and it seems you're right

[@malohn2068]

I dont get it. Why NOT pick skinning? He wants to rush 60 so he can farm devilsaur, thing is, he doesnt have skinning, so he has to go back n kill mobs he already killed and by the time he goes to 1-300 skinning people would be at 60 with him and probably have skinning with em.

[@austin2717]

considering he mentioned he would definitely be leveling with a 5 man and also mentions there only needs to be one skinner in a group that he will probably have the skinner at the least with him. As far as I can tell anyways

[@jakekay7480]

why have u got improverd backstab and sword spec?

[@carlfolmer]

Good choice of thumbnail :) random and fun to see my old illustration in the youtube feed.

[@1674-q4o]

I am loving this, keep up the content creation!

[@mrsnigelpaj3446]

2 hours? thats really a deep dive ;) time stamps would be nice :)

[@t3chn0dr0n3]

Upvoted. Timestamps please! I cba watching 2hrs of not knowing what I'm watching.

[@mr.randius5283]

Did i miss it or they forgot to talk about the pvp rogue?

[@snodrod420]

He said it would be a seperate pvp deep dive video for rogues, eventually lol..

[@TheFullPackage]

Plugy guy, automatically... Tips Out baby!

[@WilliamR8]

Thanks for all the awesome info!

[@nimblelafitte1923]

everybody knows the best rogues play mages, and vice versa.

[@Dexatron]

everybody knows the best rogues play rogues...

[@haffahorse1538]

Nah dood this guy is a rogue main - no webcam.

[@spacecat7596]

This guide is absolutely insane. Next guests for the pvp deep dive: the ooga gang?

[@natas0733]

You should do pvp derp dives. Get mn back on and talk strats vs other classes what he looks for what his anticipations are, etc. And do for all classes as well.

[@russelladams9147]

Why is it assumed that on a server with arguably 300 60s in the first month, that Devilsaur farming is even remotely possible? If you are employed there's no way you're going to have time to win the range of spawns. If you are unemployed then you will still need to do this as a respectable group, sharing the winnings while fighting off enemy hunters with trap camping, not to mention your own faction... Am I missing something?

[@listeinn]

he was the 3rd to level 60 on his server, and he was talking about farming it for 3-4 days immediately, so obviously not a lot of competition if you are aheady of the curve

[@watchthe1369]

When I got it, Cheapshot/Gouge out of Stealth got Slice/Dice up, then it was sinister-eviscerate to burn the mob down. I pick-pocketed them first as well, if possible. Sinister strike is yellow damage, it is part of batching..... Pickpocket got me junk boxes for lockpick and the thieve's guild rep.

[@nleehaymond]

Sorry I keep commenting.. but had to say: great interview, I learned a lot and I had a lot of fun watching this.

[@sudoku3830]

What about a good dungeon build???

[@watchthe1369]

Front Stabbing will not work in Classic, Verified in PTR.

[@alexkim153]

I'm no mathematician but that seems impossible.

[@DaHamma77]

Amazing Show. Thanks Guys!

[@omenworks]

Best content on YT! Waiting for Rogue PVP deep dive! Instant Sub+ man :)

[@Woodzies]

Is rogue a melee class? well, it depends..

[@rudy1999]

Nope, you can go throw dps

[@gamejunkie-123]

When a rogue sees someone 5 levels under them: "Oh boy here i go killing again!''

[@LeCharles07]

Then a car [warrior] smashes through the wall and ends us rightly. :P

[@M-Town90]

im in tears! haha

[@JadeDude1973]

Whenever you see someone in a robe sitting and drinking LOL

[@cyberdemon6669]

Dude this is perfect! But do you have the link for the build to share on KZbin? Thanks!

[@zanheda1200]

This is a great series! Can we get more episodes and updates on older ones?? Me and some friends just started playing again and these are great!

[@lozpioz]

'You've been the third fastest rogue on 60. ' -'Didn't try to be the fastest.' -'How many hours did you play on day 1?' -'36.' .... yea - case closed.

[@HeK.]

why should we stack so much hit? isn't the yellow hit cap at 9% with 300 weapon skill? i don't get it... please explain.

[@colbyanweiler2152]

we had a rogue with thunderfury and he stopped using it because he pulled aggro all the time and mobs killed him cause the aoe from the weapon. Also it was a main hand from what i remember.

[@joellove6353]

hey. how do i make a macro so i can vanish, then sap without a global cool down like perplexity does. please let me know!

[@Nydox]

1:15:18 So with all the consumables and the trinkets he mentions, will rogues be wearing spellpower gear with all possible buffs?? Or is it just like enchants and the trinkets with pre bis gear?

[@David-nd4to]

fun fact, felstriker way back was named deathstriker

[@kaonashi8106]

I think work "fel" is from the chinese version wow, cause i heard that the censor word death with fel. like instead deathknight they call it felknight.

[@ludacrisv2005]

why not post the gearlist link here?

[@McKadesArKade]

love these deep dives

[@FabsLPLPsundvielesmehrm6932]

So in The Raid blackwinglayer , i Skill improved backstab , so i need to Take a dagger Into My Main hand and My sword to off hand , why dont Put Skillpoints in dagger specialization to get a Higher crit chances in The Combat tree and why do i Take dual wield? Why i don't use 2 daggers instead of 1 dagger in mainhand to backstab and offhand a sword? I watched some other Guides too but i cant get The answer by myself , 45:00

[@thirtysilver33]

On launch into about 6hrs you wont find mobs for any early quest. Get your buddies and skip 4+ levels ahead and grind, once players reach you, move 2+ ahead until you're so far ahead the server then DC's and you seep.

[@bruciekibbutz4698]

This video is a gold mine, thanks tipsout. Im planning on rolling a human rogue, and Will surely use alot of the info i got from this video.

Hopefully female human, the males look like trash

[@bruciekibbutz4698]

Nah, humans look the best in armour imo

[@bruciekibbutz4698]

Bogdan 96 no way, armour looks best on human male and orc male imo. Looking worst on trolls and tauren. Again imo, Some Will prolly disagree.

[@gastonalcazar130]

The guy mentioned a dagger, at 1:00:00, that Tips completely overlooked, which one was it? The 1% drop chance one.

[@Jaicejay]

Felstrike, drops off Rend in UBRS

[@chvd00]

what talents would u switch out for pvp?

[@Tanikaze2]

leveling as hemo swords is ez

[@sel7506]

Just incredible !! Only default is the dagger pov that isn't taken in consideration, while super good. I'd have love to hear if there were differences about stats priority (crit / hit) or pre raid bis items (elementals card / hand of justice, etc) and if there is any particular mentality set change from sword, like would you still wait for an attack to happen before using your backstab ? Or is it less important ? Do you go for eviscerate less, stuff like that ! But overall really great, ty, appreciated it :)

[@hulkingmass]

absolulyabsoluly

[@Ericb139]

This was absolutely insane

[@roygygaming619]

I've started playing rogue back in vanilla and now i'm playing mage on classic, exactly like LMGD felt ya

[@martinskrebergene]

1:18:34 - why not movement speed enchant on boots in MC? What is the disadvantage of movement speed in MC?

[@galliannebarranger476]

I guess that they kills bosses so fast that they even don't need to move away from them.

[@lewissmart7915]

'wow man, you dont sound russian at all' (in russian accent) 'uh, thanks'

[@SnipingKittens]

This was awesome, Thank you.

[@MrSinfold]

1:39:20 I have never, ever heard of Rogue melee white damage swing timers being reset after using Sinister Strike, Evi, etc. Any sources?

[@wahedi87]

check out : Classic WoW: Rogue Leveling Guide by Kargoz on youtube. at 12:26 he talks about it.

[@MrSinfold]

@@wahedi87 Thank you very, very much, I spent hours yesterday searching for additional info.

[@MrSinfold]

@@wahedi87He talks about it in the context of having sword spec; however LMGD doesn't mention this, he states it's a flat "28%" chance for your rogue abilities to reset swing timers

[@wahedi87]

@@MrSinfold i did some research also and i couldn't find any evidence to what he was saying. some private server players also say that windfury which has a 20% to proc resets the auto attack timer. but after watching some videos of pvp in vanilla that also seems to be wrong.

[@secondfirst7789]

I think it was there in classic, you can google old sources for it. So it's not just random private server tards claiming it's not a bug like they do about frontstabbing, which never existed on retail vanilla.

[@nikola4107]

Enjoyable 2 hours , can't wait for part 2 dive in PvP. I would like to see LMGD talk about getting Grand Marshal title.

[@bulanet271]

Why do you have to use a yellow move right after a white happened? do extra attacks reset your autoattack, or what am I missing here

[@theslyngl]

Also time stamps please

[@JetGC]

did we get the pvp deep dive video yet?

[@Oxblood1987]

Warrior isn't the slowest. They are the least forgiving to level. No vanish, no evasion, no great CDs

[@thewal1ofsleep]

Please make more of these!

[@verge8513]

1:24:57 any one know what he said his mic is realy scratchy sounding

[@ludacrisv2005]

KTM

[@xbriskx]

Lobotomiser + Distracted Dagger or Dal Rends?

[@NoobPwnr000]

What's the Patchwerk comment about?

[@juxozo5918]

How good is nightelf rogue?

[@-joel1337]

Harder to detect in stealth, nature resistance, + dodge chance

[@mars.unreal]

I was hoping to get some insight of which alliance race is best for pvp. But well... xD

[@skovbille]

Nice! Can't wait for the priest deep-dive

[@MrChrisKnight]

Such a good Video!

[@Sele1908]

I'm at 47 minutes into the video and I hope it gets clarified later on but LMGD didn't communicate well and Tips didn't understand properly that the proposed combat spec for BWL is Combat Daggers (hence the imp backstab talent allocation) so you'll also need to take those 5 points out of sword spec and put them into dagger specialization. Also, Aged Core Leather Gloves from MC is stupid strong for any dagger build in pve so keep that in mind and prefer them over Nightslayer or Bloodfang.

[@Nydox]

Sele1908 he only gets improved backstab for the vael fight, every other boss is swords

[@Sele1908]

​@@Nydox if that's the case I'd argue against that, from my experience in Vanilla combat daggers were superior to swords in BWL and up until midway in Naxx.

[@TheLineCutter]

South Park should make an episode where Cartman can't wait for Classic to come out. I'm literally sweating as I'm waiting in anticipation.

[@eclipse369.]

Leveling as sub rogue My fastest rotation is Ambush (85% crit chance)- Gouge - Backstab - Ghostly Strike - 5pt Evis = Dead

[@rudy1999]

I think you need to be 40+ to start doing that

[@Rendil1990]

Why did he recommend 3 points in back stab in BWL? He's still sword spec and you need a dagger in the main hand to back stab?

[@timgo2345]

For second boss only

[@NoobPwnr000]

Would be curious to learn this as well

[@dhado]

you swap dagger for second boss and use Backstab since you have 100% energy all the time and BS >SS

[@Sele1908]

I explain this in a comment of mine cause it caught my attention aswell and it's not clearly communicated (I think LMGD considered it self explanatory and didn't bother clarifying and Tips didn't notice it). With MC gear, i.e. mainly Perdition's blade, Core Hound Tooth and Aged Core Leather Gloves you switch to combat daggers going into BWL onwards. So naturally you spec into imp BS and transfer your sword spec points into dagger spec.

[@Frik0z]

YOU THINK YOU GOTCH HIM BUT YOU DIDN'T REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@BB-mw5gt]

as a vanilla rouge front stabbing doesnt exist, you had to cheap shot back stab back stab kidney shot back stab back stab evis , take no damage and win

[@DarrenTruax]

when is the druid deep dive?!

[@Fleyz]

The person giving a deep dive on the Rogue class doesn't know that Riposte has a 10 energy cost when it even says it in the tool tip on the talent?

[@babyfeeg]

Fleyz no ones perfect this guys knows a lot ..

[@magicmungo]

Insanely in-depth details on playing PvE rogue to the max, can't wait for the PvP edition ;)

[@kevinmiller5051]

Wait you guys skipped best rogue pvp race for alliance :(

[@bukejakely154]

Human

[@Deathinacann]

@@bukejakely154 gnome or dwarf. humen is best pve

[@siferuk]

Dwarf is god tier - blind is a poison :P

[@ssdwaw]

really good content!!

[@VinderHD]

Nah alliance is NE : Front flips for days. Best racial there is.

[@joshw3719]

NE will always be BiS. Front flips, aesthetically. nothing comes close.

[@maj0raw3s0m3]

I don't understand why you'd spec into sword specialization but also improved backstab? Anyone wanna explain?

[@unnhhg4632]

I think it was because you'll only be backstabbing the second boss because of the infinite energy, but the rest of the raid equipping a sword and doing the normal sinister strike eviscerate rotation. I was wondering the same thing especially losing the 15% eviscerate increase, but he also took murder for overall damage buff to dragonkin so maybe it justifiable that way.

[@Itsjumbomuffin]

Where is the list of stuff in the description tips :( ..

[@bastigol2302]

46:45 Imp. Backstab and Sword Spec? What did I miss?

[@niphu]

Using a dagger and backstabbing does more damage on the 2nd boss in bwl.

[@bastigol2302]

@@niphu Huh..actually makes sense. Never used Backstab back then when going Sword spec. Thanks!

[@NoobPwnr000]

@@niphu What dagger(s) does this assume? Maybe CHT?

[@KristianLindbjerg]

You want to use Perditions or another slow dagger in MH and just keep using a sword in offhand. Offhand can still proc sword specialization.

[@bastigol2302]

@@NoobPwnr000 Highest Max DmG

[@nleehaymond]

On the seal fate spec... I never tried it, but I played with a talented rogue on Nost/Elysium that tried it in AQ40/Naxx gear. He was new to the spec (obviously) but did a little less dps than he normally would in a normal Naxx raid at the time. But we agreed that the seal fate spec is not viable in AQ gear alone.

[@Savagedbd]

where is a link to this written down could not understand some of what he was saying

[@TheFitDragon]

Interesting point, make a mc raid when you are in BWL /AQ gear and just Master loot for TF, would be an easy clear also