Titan sub CEO dismissed safety warnings as 'baseless cries', emails show - BBC News

Warnings over the safety of OceanGate's Titan submersible were repeatedly dismissed by the CEO of the company, email exchanges with a leading deep sea exploration specialist show.
In messages seen by the BBC, Rob McCallum told OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush that he was potentially putting his clients at risk and urged him to stop using the sub until it had been classified by an independent agency.
Mr Rush responded that he was "tired of industry players who try to use a safety argument to stop innovation".
Mr McCallum maintains that nobody should have travelled in the Titan sub.
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[@simonbaxter8001]

The fact he took these warnings as "Personal insults", tells you all you need to know about this guy. He was completely devoid of his engineering responsibilities regarding safety and it was all about him and his very dangerous ego! There is NO room in safety based engineering projects for personal feelings and ego's!

[@pierrex3226]

Indeed. Taking qualified feedback as an insult is usually gaslighting, narcissism, known incompetence, stupidity, or a mix.

[@thereturnofveronicasawyer9998]

Exactly

[@j.t.1086]

His rationale for it being safe was basically "I said so"

[@madnessintomagic]

You kinda gotta be that guy to reach that level of wealth.

[@brigitkarlsen4294]

Egomaniac.........

[@ThisAlexia]

That letter really makes me angry. In the engineering world, to question safety control is suicidal and nobody ignores it.

[@santoy1000]

Think this guy thought he knew better than the engineers

[@MH-bs4bx]

@@santoy1000 thinking you know better than experts has always ended up with tradegy. Unfortunately people think that just because they have a lot of money that they dont need to listen to anyone. Such a shame

[@oswaldcobblepot502]

This was the inevitable result of bean-counter engineering. IE profits first, safety last.

[@brianmacadam4793]

@@santoy1000 Engineers DO get things wrong, if you get a warning the way to prove your case is to show, with data, that the warning wasn't merited. Rush received many warnings and his ignorance or arrogance ( or both ) has resulted in needless deaths, a desecration of the deep dive community, and the cost to government of many millions of dollars.

[@innocentnemesis3519]

@@santoy1000 he litro saw physics coming and said, “nah bro you’re wrong”

[@Camibug]

6:06 Yeah, Cameron’s sub wasn’t “tiny” it was about as large as the Titan. They just used the space for communications systems and redundancies instead of going barebones so he could take passengers. Also, he went over 2x deeper than the Titanic, never losing communication with the surface. He also had an INTERNAL GPS so if the sub did surface and lost all communications, it could be located once it surfaced. He also had a 2nd vehicle with him that could help if he was stuck on something. Oh, and it wasn’t white and blue which blends in with the surface, it was Kawasaki Green.

[@bartolomeestebanmurillo4459]

And being cognizant that his sub was experimental, Cameron took only himself and the engineer he co-designed the sub with!

[@LucianC137]

3x deeper.

[@__D-B__]

The mariana trench is almost 3x deeper than the Titanic wreckage. The fact that Cameron has been down to the Titanic around 30 times without any real problems just shows how unfit the Titan sub was.

[@DrWhom]

I am new to this. So, Father Ted built a sub?

[@amcds2867]

The differences show what separates the men from the boys.

[@NAYF76]

Having studied air accidents for over 30 years, I'm really pleased this has been exposed. Testing means nothing without certification. Truly shocking.

[@anujmchitale]

In this case, even testing wasn't properly conducted.

[@NAYF76]

@@anujmchitale I agree sir. Grossly inadequate.

[@Eluzian86]

In the case of a carbon fiber hull, I think the pressure tests mimicking a dive at the desired operational level should have been done in an unmanned manner until it imploded. Then that number of dives could be cut in half, and after that number of dives you replace the carbon fiber hull. That should have been done at a minimum. I would never feel safe using the Titan design without confirming precisely how long it could last before failure. They never had one implode, so they had no idea how many trips it could take. They heard crackling and so had confirmed the hull integrity was getting weaker. If it's getting weaker, it will implode at some point, and one should never put anyone inside it without knowing that.

[@ew7512]

The fact he says he "grown tired" of people warning him of safety issues seems to indicate that many people warned him and that he had ample opportunity to prevent this but chose not to. It's really something else that he threatened legal action over the warning too.

[@tyronejackson6593]

He just couldn’t believe he could be wrong.

[@ew7512]

@@tyronejackson6593 Seems that way. I suppose he died without ever knowing.

[@tabby73]

Big ego

[@neiladlington950]

Speaking of legal action... Rich people and their families can hire rich lawyers. I suspect this story isn't over just yet.

[@barneymagee3285]

He 'trusted the science'.

[@AccelSternritter]

And his co-workers STILL defend his actions after what happened, unbelievable.

[@e.p3509]

This may happen again after public scrutiny fades by the time

[@canadianloon6433]

Their jobs are more important than our safety Evil

[@Sherlock245]

Lawsuit coming

[@444Dragoncheese]

@@Sherlock245 i hope so ..

[@inezy6329]

For legal purposes..of course they would not admit that they are wrong.

[@Ibochic1]

A pure case of “pride comes before a fall”. RIP to the deceased.

[@cocoaorange1]

Sad but true.

[@marlonbrando8630]

Proverbs 16:18 "Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall."

[@alerojas2952]

​@@marlonbrando8630The Chinese came up with that proverb long before the bible.

[@gwg216]

This guy would have just gone in that thing alone mr. Ego..... Its just absurd that he was warned but he chose to be sooo rude

[@maribelg648]

@@alerojas2952it is a quote in the Bible that the person reference, and it is true no matter who said it first. your passive aggressive comment was unnecessary.

[@dhanaorkut]

I wish this CEO was alive to face the criticism and charges 😖😡.. I hate when someone dies without knowing what they did wrong .. Titanic Captain and Ocean Gate CEO had the SAME ATTITUDE OF IGNORING Safety inspite of warnings given prior

[@lukeinvictus69]

Well, at least it was an honest mistake. He died for his arrogance. I’d say that’s a steep enough price to pay.

[@MarianaCarvalho-gu8zx]

He knew what he did. He didn't want to take any accountability for it, however. But I believe the company will be charged now.

[@HMMELD]

@dhanaorkut And humiliation

[@HMMELD]

@@MarianaCarvalho-gu8zx At the very least, there will be lawsuits.

[@anntyler1091]

WE 100% AGREE WITH YOU. FOR THOSE WHO KNEW OF THIS PSYCHO'S PLANS, STOOD BY, ENCOURAGING HIS MONEY- HUNGRY BEHAVIOR SHOULD BEAR THE WEIGHT OF SHAME. HOPEFULLY THE FAMILIES WILL SUE THIS COMPANY OFF OF THE MAP.

[@joefillicetti1165]

Nobody was telling Mr. Rush to stop his design and submersible completely, they were telling him to get it certified and abide the safety regulations that everyone else goes by. The fact that Mr. Rush pushed back and ignored them, tells you everything

[@claytonhosty9876]

I'd have to agree with you. Mr. Rush also lost his life as a result of this negligence. This whole story is tragic.⚓

[@joefillicetti1165]

@claytonhosty9876 the one I feel for the most is that poor 19 year old. Probably just wanting to impress and be with his dad but I don't think he truly had his own decision to go.

[@JayandSarah]

He was the pioneering cowboy of the deep I suppose.

[@farmcat3198]

Guys like Stockton Rush are why I don 't work in Safety any longer.

[@RPKGameVids]

And somehow if there is an afterlife it seems like Mr Rush, like a lot of people online, would still insist he is right. You just can't get through to some people.

[@moulanakratos]

Man is he seriously defending the design and saying Ocean Gate didn't cut corners ? Bro you created the only submersible to implode in the past 60 years. How do you explain that ?

[@RawrDinosaurgrr]

Ask Bruce Esmay!!!

[@oldironsides4107]

Well the only ones that have been at those depths was a single manned vessel. His was a 5 person vessel. You wouldn’t imagine the horrors of aeronautics. Or ships. Or aerospace Yeah. They all use the original materials. Submersibles 1960. Fellas like you electricity would have never been utilized yet

[@sidepai]

Never mind not disclosing (to the public at large with all MSM) that Aaron Newman, with an internet search, wasn't just a former passenger but also an investor of OceanGroup (when he first came forward) **Edited my comment to add more context with '()'. My apologies for the initial blunder.**

[@stepheneurosailor1623]

@@sidepai Who nose you could be right

[@toekkababy5329]

Just bad luck

[@longtailgt]

The problem wasn't with the fact that they were using "experimental and innovative" materials but that it was UNTESTED for passenger safety despite warnings, and now 5 people have died because of this. The (ex)CEO taking the email as an insult, along with his co-workers and investors defending this case, is just insane.

[@irene_f.]

No morals, no ethics - no humanity. Scary that such people can even get a job. 😬

[@William_Stephens]

5:54 I watched the movie on James Cameron’s sub and trip down to the deepest known part of the ocean. The fact that he said this tube was a magnitude more advanced is insane. James Cameron’s submersible was a technological marvel.

[@coreysaari6593]

I have to wonder if those clowns hear themselves speak. A magnitude more advanced craft wouldn't have been smashed flatter than a coke can.

[@darkpriestess127]

The fact that the co founder is defending a sub that was unclassed, uncertified, and not inspected shows how little he cares for the safety of his passengers. It doesn't matter if anyone was there for the planning or design. Your submersible killed 5 people including your own CEO! And I hope this is the end of oceangate. They were too egotistical to listen to experts that knew better.

[@rosemarydecuir-mckown3578]

Exactly correct - and such an irony that it mirrored the arrogance that created the Titanic tragedy. Another parallel can be seen in a recent documentary on the Challenger explosion; the interviews with two of the management decision-makers revealed the same dangerous indifference towards the loss of life.

[@nobytes2]

they will change name and keep making money, rich people egos are huge

[@jameskillu9171]

sure, there are enough clients to keep the business going. is there a submersible to the space and moon,

[@JohnnytNatural]

"I think I've broken them with logic and good engineering behind me," Stockton told Spanish KZbinr alanxelmundo. "Carbon fiber and titanium? There's a rule you don't do that. Well, I did," Stockton said.

[@MikeBarbarossa]

He's trying to save azz for the upcoming lawsuits

[@Kiki-Kauai]

Again, I say, Stockton Rush was a man lead by his ego instead of science. He was charging people exorbitant fees and telling them his submersible was safe. When he knew many had questioned it’s safety. So many people tried to stop him, that’s what is heartbreaking.

[@farmcat3198]

Welcome to a career in Safety!

[@uniunu3400]

First of all he is a businessman.

[@DM-bs2oz]

"lead by his greed"

[@dexio8601]

For 200k a pop you would think that sub was bulletproof...indestructible....

[@brucebouck6152]

Stupid is as stupid does! Could have just watched a video of the ship on you tube and saved some money and their lives!

[@korolr]

As an engineer working in Canada, public safety has always been an inviolable and virtually sacred requirement. The cavalier attitude of Oceangate’s CEO towards this aspect of the work of professionals is incomprehensible and unacceptable.

[@chemech]

As an engineer who has designed vacuum vessels and the odd pressure vessel - although I defer/refer to my more specialist colleagues for the critical designs - I was shocked to watch video segments of the laying down of the carbon fiber cylinder, and even more the affixing of the titanium ring flange to the end of the tube. It was a simple slip join, relying entirely upon the adhesive bond for completion, with no provisions to resist tear-out / pull-out, and questionable allowances for differential thermal expansion and possible voids, flaws, and future delamination. If there was a design safety review (in the oil & gas & chemical world we do Hazards and Operability reviews, or HAZOP studies) I would be very suspicious that it was not conducted properly. Mr. Rush's demonstrated attitude was that of a jealous toddler, and resentful of any criticism, especially when it was valid. It's rather frightening to realize that he had in fact earned a degree in engineering... sadly, there's one in every thousand or so who fail to grasp the responsibilities that come with the education.

[@Nine2fine]

The ceo seemed to have only “yes men” around him. We all heard about the engineer he fired who disagreed with him. Smh this is so sad

[@reeva5735]

This is not a tragic accident per se, these are negligent deaths. Its shocking.

[@borgir80]

I think this is a classic example of natural selection, only with billionaires as examples. I think they also write their passwords (usually 12345 or admin or their birthday) in sticky notes.

[@willballew4196]

THEY ONLY NEEDED 1 LIFE BOAT FOR 5 PEOPLE.....

[@Professor__S]

What's shocking is the government can spend millions of dollars trying to save billionaires but the poor can get fucked.

[@Dessan01]

If Stockton wasn’t at the bottom of the sea with them now, there would be an outcry against him this morning.

[@Acolis]

any unnecessary loss of life is tragic

[@tylerreeves3844]

The level of narcissism he displayed is truly off the charts

[@picklespip9213]

I find it so heart breaking that this was totally avoidable, due to the CEO negligence he took his own life and 4 others with him. He will never have to tke responsbility for his neglegence

[@bobjohnson205]

Yes, he got off easy for his mistakes!

[@mahams8954]

Not in this world, yes!

[@mrmelmba]

Carbon fibre has _tensile_ strength, but the forces from water pressure acting on the Titan were _compressive._ It is likely that the binder alone gave the hull its compressive strength with fibre holding it together to prevent cracking. The junction of the carbon fibre, titanium and the glue that bonded them was a weak point with different rates of expansion and contraction. Glue that is elastic at room temperature is likely brittle in cold water. These materials were bound to detach from one another. What is surprising is not that the vessel failed, but that it managed to remain intact for as long as it did.

[@merbish7962]

James Cameron said over time with each dive it would do more and more microscopic damage so that might explain why it didn’t implode on the first dive

[@DrWhom]

I think they would have chosen a more suitable glue. I agree that the seal was not safe - how could I argue otherwise? - but if they'd been as dumb as you say the thing would have been destroyed on its first dive.

[@mrmelmba]

@@DrWhom I do not use the word _dumb_ to describe Stockton Rush. Exuberant is more like it. Materials experience progressive failure. In engineering, for example, steel is subjected to repeated cycles of stress under load in order to determine when it will fail. Its characteristics fall within a narrow band. With good quality control in the production of steel its strength may be relied upon. In the case of this submersible the only thing that Stockton Rush wanted to know was its strength. End of story. That the strength of carbon fibre was tensile in a situation where the force was compressive this material was inappropriate. Airplanes have crashed due to fatigue failure of a component. Would you travel by air or stay safe by not getting out of bed in the morning? There is nothing fundamentally wrong with a cylinder design with hemisphere ends, although in the submersible it was employed in a situation that is the reverse of the gas container concept under which it evolved where gas pressure is exerted outward. Forces acting upon it merely need to be analyzed correctly. That will likely be the shape of future crafts, not spherical designs. Had the hull of this vessel been constructed of a single material, titanium, possibly cast as a unit, this craft might have successfully completed this and many other trips to the ocean floor and back.

[@HMMELD]

@@mrmelmba Some experts have questioned it and said a sphere was a better design

[@mrmelmba]

@@HMMELD _Better_ is a relative term. If the submersible is for one person that is almost certainly the case. For multiple passengers a sphere may prove unwieldly. It is a matter of calculating forces and designing accordingly. I would suggest that a cylindrical submersible be designed employing steel for a rib framework and titanium for the shell of the hull with load bearing partitions dividing it into compartments. The strength and characteristics of these materials are known. That design is then refined until an optimum model, with safety factors included, is arrived at, a concept similar to that employed in constructing a building.

[@jeffsmith1798]

As someone who has worked in safety critical systems design and development almost my entire career, I can say that this CEO completely misunderstood safety critical systems and innovation. You can innovate but not at the expense of compliance requirements and proper design controls.

[@sixtynine2856]

Another delusional inherited-money half-wit trying to make a name for himself. There's nothing more to it. His exact quote, "You're remembered for the rules you break." Now he's going to be remembered for being crushed to death in his faulty submersible. The irony.

[@Agnemons]

The only laws that you must absolutely and without exception comply with are the laws of physics. All other laws are, to varying degrees, optional.

[@dragonfirexv]

Oh, he understood it all right. He just went and ignored all the protocols and caused a lot of negligent deaths in the process.

[@pakde8002]

Also if one wants to Innovate and risk their own life i sure why not because who knows but they might be on to something ingenious but risking the lives of others for a commercial enterprise changes the picture drastically. You can argue all day about regulations but the laws of physics are the final judge.

[@karimtabrizi376]

@@dragonfirexv including his own which is really dumb

[@absoluteauto4]

Stockton took all the constructive criticism about the submersible personally when he should have put his ego aside and listened. There's a lot people out there with that same mentality and its really a terrible personality trait.

[@RuckFussia]

Narcissism.

[@-_deploy_-]

And he was exploring a disaster caused by the same problem!!! People really don't learn anything.

[@marysegers6995]

Pride comes before a fall🤷‍♀️

[@jeshurunhazelton7789]

It's not a personality trait it's a choice saying it's a personality trait implies that a person's destined to be or behave in a certain way n they can't change no it's a choice people have inclinations but it's not set in stone

[@cgrant26]

"He was doing something far beyond what everyone else had" And earned himself a Darwin award in the process. Maybe there's a good reason no one else is doing it that way.

[@lorigarza9971]

Since the other owner is heavily backing Rush then he can be responsible in his place for this mess. Unbelievable

[@slowbro-]

Kinda funny how the oceangate investor calls Stockton Rush's failed submersible "more advanced" than James Cameron's. Especially cuz Cameron went down to the Mariana 11 kms deep and Rush's sub failed at 4 km depth 😂. The audacity lol. 5:48

[@lashlarue7924]

Facts!

[@jsyvret472]

The hubris of the co workers to defend the design and efficacy of the sub after it took 5 people from their families is literally unbelievable

[@neiladlington912]

That's not hubris, it's just defensiveness. Hubris belongs solely to the person who allowed the dive to go forth despite warnings because he "knew better"

[@jsyvret472]

@neiladlington912 the CEO is the the epitome of hubris. Although the other investors/ employees who are still endorsing the effectiveness of the submersible after what happened are also certainly still showing excessive arrogance and pride

[@CanalPSG]

Well, the co-workers were carefully selected. If these co-workers would have been experienced, skilled 50-year-old white guys, they might have been more critical.

[@Theofficaldannyalldunso]

Wasn’t hubris or vanity people die every day doing plastic surgery and yet they still keep doing that’s hubris. This guy was trying to do something great and his prototype was a one of one, and there was nothing to baseline it to from a safety perspective. I love how everyone is an expert after the fact.

[@Pygmyz06]

@@Theofficaldannyalldunso”after the fact” (SUBMERSIBLE EXPERT WHO RODE TITAN IN 2019 SAYS HE RAISED SAFETY CONCERNS TO OPERATOR CEO AFTER TRIP) (David Lochridge was terminated in January 2018 after presenting a scathing quality control report on the vessel to OceanGate’s senior management, including founder and CEO Stockton Rush) (Cameron and many others in the deep submergence community had long been concerned about the vessel's safety and OceanGate's experimental approach, he said on Thursday, lamenting that the company had ignored experts' calls to undergo a standard certification process.)

[@DylRicho]

Co-founder and investors in OceanGate deny any wrongdoing and reject objective lack of safety. That really isn't a surprise. OceanGate deserves to go under.

[@pwu8194]

Stockton Rush said if he heard any new noise that he never heard before, he would suspend the operation and return to the surface to investigate what went wrong. The problem is the descent takes 2.5 hours, and if he heard a loud crack after 1.5 hours of descent, he doesn't have 1.5 hours to return to the surface. The hull doesn't have strength to support life for another 1.5 hours. That's what just happened.

[@daliagrigonyte6872]

i dont understand this mindset, how can he rely for safety on "weather he will hear noises", if there is a question on weather new noises can come , that question should be answered on the ground, not in the ocean...!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@arsmariastarlight3567]

As a shipbuilding engineer, knowing that he regards those safety standard as 'baseless cries' really wanna make me punch him in the face. The submarine is safe BECAUSE they adhere to that standard. You can do any innovation you want AFTER you adhere to that standard first, for nature cannot be underestimated and they don't care about how much money you have

[@-_deploy_-]

Don't worry, pressure for sure gave him very hard punches. In all directions, forever.

[@davetarsha]

A- "Ow! Why'd you punch me in the face!?" B- "I take your criticism of fist safety regulations personally!"

[@pallasathena1369]

Psychopaths use people as fodder to attain their wants.

[@farmcat3198]

There's no way you could beat any form of sense into that guy. Only nature can do that for those folks. Natural consequences, indeed.

[@NondescriptMammal]

Imagine a separate 6,000 pound weight applied to each square inch of your body's surface, from all directions, in a fraction of a second... you would basically be totally pulverized into mush

[@GodLovesComics]

Stockton Rush: "the baseless cries of 'you are going to kill someone'... I take this as a personal insult." Pure arrogance, greed and stupidity. He killed four people, and himself.

[@mrstravel9381]

That’s why I always tell people “being paranoid and cautious about safety will give you a long life”. This guy had no worries about safety and put his personal feelings before others lives, including his own

[@vicoregano]

The CEO cut corners and paid the price!! Unfortunately so did the other passengers due to his incompetence and ego. The family needs to sue that whole company.

[@jsk4238]

Stockton Rush's name will forever be example for not rushing safety.

[@almondjoy123]

I see what you did there.

[@skreety0455]

He ain't a Rush for nuttin:!😅

[@skreety0455]

​@@almondjoy123You peek! You peek!!!😮

[@markheyes287]

The more I read about this prick, the less fucks I could give about his death.

[@jonfreeman9682]

Well he said he wanted to be remembered for his contributions to Titanic.

[@smorris281]

I just think it’s amazing that many people, literally experts, warned him that his sub was unsafe, yet when all their warnings are realized, his investors and friends still support him and his design. It’s mind blowing.

[@jimbobeire]

His investors don't want to lose all their money, so of course they will spin it. Oceangate's business plan was to develop a fleet of 5 of these submersibles to hire out to commercial diving companies. From a finance point of view, they'd prefer to see this as a 'one off' and they can keep 'improving the product and move on'.

[@mscainglet1118]

Well, the ceo is good at convincing his friends and investors that his design is the best. Look what happens, this reckless CEO and owner took 4 people to die with him.

[@Wagyubaby]

The company has already closed. Investors and shareholders running for the hills now. But those billionaires lawyers will find them … and bring a civil suit faster than the implosion took those poor souls.

[@Smallvillefreak]

They’re simply covering their butts from a legal standpoint. They can’t say anything publicly that can be seen as admitting guilt. The lawsuits are on the way and this company will disappear in bankruptcy eventually.

[@kwanarchive]

The anti-expert, anti-intellectual, anti-science movement, masquerading as anti-elitism, has won. Faith is more important than data and experience.

[@bowlampar]

This CEO strongly believed any safety warning is a baseless cry and desperate attempt to stop his deep ocean exploration business venture and his company's commercial innovation.

[@neilmartin1111]

The co-founder had his lawyers write to other professional divers criticizing the safety aspects of this craft, he needs jail time !!

[@January.]

STOCKTON RUSH'S ESTATE NEEDS TO PAY THE U.S. COASTGUARD FOR THE SEARCH AND RESCUE.

[@4rmDEC2FRE]

*Ukraine

[@mariatheresavonhabsburg]

​@@4rmDEC2FRE 🥱

[@jenniferhill9924]

THIS

[@January.]

@@jenniferhill9924 WRONG. The prevalence of illiteracy and ignorance in the world is astounding.

[@phightinphil25]

and Canada and France and that company from the UK.

[@aquajuwel7098]

Feel incredibly sad for the 19 year old who according to his aunt was terrified and didn’t want to go. But wanted to please his father………that’s heartbreaking 💔

[@skullsaintdead]

Omg, this breaks my heart. The father-son-daughter dynamic of adventuring can bring some incredible memories, but jeez, that poor boy. It's believed they might of heard it breaking too, moments before it imploded (James Cameron interviews). For the investors and co-founder to still be defending the behaviour of this company and it's aggressive, maybe even narcissistic CEO (using civil law to suppress someone clearly trying to save lives), is outrageous. Money corrupts, combined with cognitive bias and a lack of empathy, you have needless suffering like this... The families should sue, at least to ensure the company never takes another life again (and to punish criminally reckless behaviour).

[@HappyGM-R]

Apparently the boy went on the sub since it was Father’s Day…

[@Cantripping]

"Sorry dad, but no. Let's pick something survivable to do."

[@redtidetogo]

Right? Couldn't they just play some baseball or something.

[@dimitarjackson5562]

😢😢😢😢❤

[@AKeNeN]

Rush’s dismissal of safety concerns reflects the fundamental ignorance among this generation’s entrepreneurs who believe that their unremarkable ideas and practices are innovative when they had long been rejected by experts as untenable or incompatible with other guiding principles.

[@agarlicsorbet6482]

Las Vegas Loop lol they have MTA and thats what they say are "innovative" They dont read they dont reflect on the past, and there you go. People die and money is wasted.

[@AKeNeN]

@@agarlicsorbet6482It infuriates me to no end that Vegas approved the remaining construction. Truly incompetent.

[@Chris-rb8ox]

It's a deep disappointment to see those with personal or financial interests in the company so desperately lying to try keep it afloat. I don't know why they're still swimming against such a strong current of evidence, the company's integrity has long set sail after hitting that recent iceberg. It must be at high risk of catastrophic financial implosion, but they still seem hellbent to go down with their ship. They may think it unsinkable, but if they don't tread these waters carefully, their careers will soon be sleeping with the fishes.

[@JoeDai]

amazing comment

[@miss-astronomikal-mcmxcvii]

Most underrated comment in this entire comment section!

[@miss-astronomikal-mcmxcvii]

Please someone pin this post.

[@ONI1013.]

Let’s be clear. The Co-Founder and Investor that excuse their reckless behavior as being “innovative,” shouldn’t have risked other people’s lives and tried to make it a commercial business for profit. If they really wanted to heed industry experts safety warnings in the name of “innovation,” then they should just go explore their experimental sub themselves. All these guys cared about was making money and taking shortcuts to get there.

[@aviajarehema7393]

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[@cocoa-cola]

despicable!

[@robjones2408]

Profit over people and look at the appalling consequences. Five people have lost their lives needlessly. The most heartbreaking story is how the 19-year son was terrified of the trip, but didn't want to disappoint his father.

[@MrBacon-ou1kw]

to be fair, apparently that specific sub made atleast 10 trips to the titanic prior to this incident. Wouldn't really call it experimental at that point.

[@ultron374]

​@@MrBacon-ou1kwactually only 3 or 4 full trips, the rest was weather issues. The sub had always problems so yes it was experimental.

[@joslyntorres8691]

I know they signed waivers but this company needs to be sued for severe negligence.

[@Ultimaton100]

It’s not a given the waivers will hold up in court. We’ll see soon I suspect.

[@I_Have_The_Most_Japanese_Music]

Get ready for that CEO's family to sue his own company because you can be sure he didn't sign that waiver.

[@CineSoar]

Depending on the ultimate jurisdiction, "informed consent" shouldn't be too hard to obliterate, given the serious flaws that were not mentioned in the 'contract'.

[@RyanKeane9]

@@CineSoarexactly. Those waivers are not worth the paper they were written on.

[@neildutoit5177]

@@I_Have_The_Most_Japanese_Music There is also a principle in company law called the "piercing of the corporate veil" which allows a director to be liable for company debts in cases of fraud etc. If the estate sues the company, the company can sue the estate.

[@denver15]

Utterly and shamelessly INSANE!!...... never mind he ain't here to defend himself. The fact that he ignored safety whilst having to take their money & take them to their deaths is unforgivable.

[@SIBquake]

"I take this as a serious personal insult." Literal ego of a child. How is the result surprising after knowing that?

[@rockstarsgf81]

nope no matter how dumb, stubborn and arrogant he was, stockton rush and the other 4 men in that capsule did not deserve what happened to them, no matter what.

[@___DJ__]

Death is a certainty, not a punishment.

[@SIBquake]

@@rockstarsgf81 I'm not saying they all deserved to die or something. Its an awful catastrophic situation and its sad to see that happen to anyone. Its just that so many signs were pointing to that and its frustrating to see how this all happened given the warnings

[@kirstenwright3755]

Selfish man

[@kirstenwright3755]

@@rockstarsgf81the 4 others are victims Stockton is to blame. With his lies and selfishness

[@lugano1999]

The CEO, Stockton Rush had been warned by over 60 different engineers and scientists about the hull not being able to withstand the extreme pressures of the deep. His hubris and greed made him dismiss all of these. So he went on this last voyage, accompanied, not by explorers, but by ultra-wealthy thrill seekers who died in a nanosecond in an implosion in the descent. This descent was done, BTW, in international waters in order to avoid the jurisdiction of the US or Canadian Coast Guards who then, in addition to rescuers from three other countries spending what will not doubt be many millions of dollars, engaged in a futile rescue/recovery. And no doubt, ordinary taxpayers will be footing the bill for this. I hope instead that it will be insurance and inheritance taxes that will instead cover the immense costs for these thrill seekers deadly folly.

[@mellie4174]

Yes. The gov needs to send bills to these people's estates

[@cocksure8430]

Inheritance tax? Well than that would be tax payer funded wouldnt it? Your hatred of finacially successful people is making you talk gibberish. However, it is a great example of the immense value of the taxes paid by billionaires. Ie: 93% of all the tax collected by American government. Have a Google, then say thankyou to the nice rich folk....OK?

[@ov7spears]

Hubris lmao.. such a funny word.. sounds like udders in spanish

[@oldironsides4107]

Nothing like see “hubris” over and over after James Cameron said that. Squawk squawk. Polly wanna cracker

[@cocksure8430]

What about people in commercial plane crashes? 747's. The search and rescue costs millions and millions, all for the folly of going on holiday, or flying somewhere just because you want to, which is the only reason for flying really, because you want to. And when the planes crash, the search and rescue is HUGE!! Yeah, life huh? I agree, only things that you consider worthwhile, and lifestyles you approve of, deserve any kind of care from government and rescue services. Yes.😏🤡

[@Mehmet-rw9bu]

It's a disgrace that the so-called experts didn't warn the customers that this CEO is delusional and has lost hist mind.

[@mrkeogh]

The irony of putting employees under pressure over an unproven technology only to die instantly from extreme pressure...

[@Daniel-Strain]

When the company claims they were 'pushing the envelope' and 'exploring boundaries' etc and all this romantic talk - keep in mind this: we ALREADY know how to build submarines to carry any number of people wherever. What they mean by pushing the boundaries is this: making it CHEAPER. So it's not 'romantic exploration' at all, but mere greed.

[@mogon721]

It has never been romantic exploration anyway. It always was desecrating a maritime massgrave for business. That other guy, Nargeolet, was the worst of all the Titanic looters. He was involved in more than 30 dives plundering about 5000 items from a grave site, among them very personal belongings of the deceased which in the end almost all landed on some auction table. But as they say, what goes around, comes around.

[@craven5328]

100%. If he really wanted to test the carbon fibre, he could have made it a remote operated sub, and not put anyone at risk. But of course, he wouldn't then have been able to charge anyone $250,000 a ride.

[@vik6304]

Exactly my thought, what was he trying to invent when there's proper submarines already. He seemed like he wanted to be a steve jobs of submersibles

[@mariebussinger6565]

The US media, well PBS...spun it This morning that the adventure tourists "cared" for the ocean ecology.

[@lovelyg4743]

I agree!💯

[@flubdreload2818]

The second I heard that the CEO disregarded safety multiple times and even fired and individual in regards to the safety of the submarine, I instantly lost any respect for him and am glad he got what he deserved. It's a shame those four other victims had to tag along and suffer from his stupidity.

[@raphaellavictoria01]

His estate should go ABSOLUTELY bankrupt, as human lives are priceless. What a sickening narcissist, he isn't a victim. The other 4 people are, he conned them.

[@BlackKiryuu]

The passengers were aware of the lack of safety measures. No sympathy for them either.

[@DresdenShuffle]

@@BlackKiryuuOne was a 19 year old who tagged along because his dad forced him. Have some empathy.

[@notimetodienttd1115]

​@@BlackKiryuuAware in what way? Was it all spelledout word by word in the waiver? 🤔

[@robindehood207]

​@@BlackKiryuufear sales people. The idea was sold to them and a sales person will do anything to convince you all is well. If you don't know what to look for as the client then you don't stand a chance. I think ignorance did play a role on the clients' side.

[@C.O._Jones]

It’s poetic justice that he was one of the casualties.

[@TheyCallMeTouchpad]

The OceanGate people and investors who are still maintaining that their sub was way more advanced than everyone else's, and that the warnings were baseless, seem to have forgotten one rather important detail. THEIR SUB FAILED.

[@Autumn_alexandra]

I feel so bad for the 19-year-old who didn't wanna go but went for his dad on this trip

[@Riceisgood777]

@@mindful47 The aunt said otherwise

[@oghektor777]

@@Riceisgood777yeah I heard something along the lines of he was skeptical about going 🙆🏾‍♂️that’s why it’s always good to trust your gut

[@dopeblacktherapist]

and on father's day weekend :(

[@Professor__S]

Your gut instinct is like a 6th sense. Trust your gut instinct, it's there for a reason!

[@Professor__S]

@@dopeblacktherapist fathers day is, like most other holidays, a way to sell more products.

[@mpgingdl]

Rush prided himself on his "thinking outside the box," but the box had the last word.

[@lilflexlewis5802]

💯💯💯

[@FortunateXpat]

Yep. And the box gave up.

[@cocksure8430]

Now hes part of the box....squishy.

[@suv2w]

If you’re going to be glib, at least try to be clever. What great stake did you have in his affairs that you feel justified now in trivializing his death.

[@GertrudePerkins]

​@@suv2w The CEO trivialised safety.

[@SummarizeYT_]

🪄✨ Made with SummarizeYT ​0:00 - U.S Coast Guard reports 5 deaths in submersible Titanic wreck ​0:14 - Emails reveal Titan sub's CEO disregarded safety warnings ​1:07 - Ocean Gates threaten legal action against expert raising concerns ​4:03 - Chairman of US Marine Technology Society warns of preventable tragedy ​6:00 - Director of Titanic movie James Cameron calls out industry players ​6:38 - Concerns on safety of ocean submersibles emerge after tragedy ​7:03 - Deep-sea exploration expert sent a warning about the safety of the Titan sub design in 2018. ​7:15 - The Titan vessel began making dives despite safety concerns. ​8:01 - The submersible and the remains of the five people are in a dangerous environment, making recovery unlikely. ​10:20 - Canada's Transportation Safety Board launched a safety investigation into the loss of the Titan submersible. ​13:00 - Submersibles used by pilots or operators must follow rigorous guidelines and safety procedures.

[@saniathompson6840]

When you think that your too Knowledgeable about something just know that someone out there is more knowledgeable that you are. my condolences to the families and friends of the aboard passengers who died.🙏

[@NinaGaekwardCheng]

The only one who is the MOST knowledgeable in the whole wide Universe is my Savior LORD and GOD Jesus Christ.

[@Evulnation]

Oof that email exchange and response from Stockton is so spooky and sickening. He was blinded. Incredibly unfortunate that his "full steam ahead" approach and tunnel vision caused this to happen.

[@-_deploy_-]

Ironic that he wasn't able to identify that he was doing the same exact errors commited by the case (Titanic) he was "studying".

[@farmcat3198]

Gross and wanton negligence. Lawyers, line up!

[@jeshurunhazelton7789]

The full steam ahead approach was exactly the same approach the captain of the titanic took as well ironic similarities

[@ashleymelville1757]

Such classic narcissism. Delusions of persecution and everyone else is the problem. He was a sick man.

[@StealthyDead]

If that co-founder really believed in the abilities of the sub and all the "rigorous test programs" that it went through, it wouldn't have been trouble at all to past safety inspections. Unbelievable that he is still defending the gross negligence that the CEO clearly engaged in.

[@notimetodienttd1115]

Exactly. Lets ask the co founder to try the same exact copy of that sub (if they have another that has been subjected to wear & tear like the imploded one) and see if he is willing togo deep down to the Titanic alone (also without any proper contigency plan).

[@jimbobeire]

I think it was a matter of cash flow. Safety tests cost money. The reason for doing these trips with billionaires wasn't about making profit from the trip, even at 250K a pop it wouldn't cover it... they were hoping these billionaires would buy into the business. Hamish Harding, the british guy who perished, already invested in other VIP tourist businesses. Oceangate's plan was to develop 5 of these things to hire out to commerical dive operations. that;s another reason they kept showing off how easy it was to drive.

[@youngjojo3052]

IT’s business, if he agrees with them then he can get sued as well

[@madnessintomagic]

@@notimetodienttd1115this reminds me of the scenes from Sahara where they serve tainted water to the people who polluted it, and from Erin Brokovich where she serves the defense attorneys water from the town where everyone was dying. I love a good “okay, but you first” moment.

[@udirt]

​@@notimetodienttd111550 times in something not made of steel😅

[@glassesstapler]

"he introduced new ideas" NO, he introduced 5 new ghosts to the Titanic Haunted House

[@chrisg3726]

Taking those engineers comments as a ‘personal insult’ reveals his narcissism fully. What a tragedy for all those on board. Particularly the 19 year old.

[@jk12324]

It's comforting to know that the passengers died instantly and didn't feel a thing. But it's also mildly annoying that the CEO didn't have the time to realise and regret his mistakes

[@ayjanu]

Apparently they did know, probably a moment or two before the sub imploded, since they dropped their ballast to ascend again, and the Polar Prince received that information. However, at that depth, it wouldn't have been long before the implosion. James Cameron believes that they heard the sub delaminating with their ears, dropped their ballast, but of course there was nothing they could do - not at that depth.

[@laurenhahn890]

I thought that!!!!

[@VPPAF]

don't know why they let the press let the world believe for a week that they were running out of oxygen when they were pretty sure it failed at the time of lost contact a week before

[@BanjoPixelSnack]

@@davesprague1542Ironic somewhat that he was a 50ish white male and his arrogance caused all of this.

[@colinsunday9149]

They did it sank first ...wrong info

[@fuferito]

I love how people from Ocean Gate, like that Guillermo guy and their friends, are still defending the amazing, state of the art design against all the tragedy contradicting it, including multiple fatalities that also took a young man still in his teens.

[@slinkiegirl2001]

they know lawsuits are coming there way

[@kille7543]

…. their way!

[@toxicgracie3772]

I think they truly thought the sub was capable of 12k feet depth. They may have been groomed or brainwashed by the CEO into this mindset. But now that the sub clearly imploded, they have no choice but to admit it wasn't capable of those depths and that they messed up. They must be trying to save face from lawsuites

[@zaqwsx2811]

They're just the usual delusional rah, rah big mouths

[@TheNewThrone]

I know right? Why is James Cameron here and those 5 people aren't? Yes its callous but its the truth. You guys (oceangate) made a terrible awful death trap disguised as a sub and charged 250k a ticket

[@charlenebrownlow4677]

PTL…Condolences to the families 💯💌!

[@luizalouyoga]

The arrogance on the CEO’s response is appalling.

[@MD-fx3uy]

Narcissism is dangerous even being responsible for 4 other souls wasn’t enough for him to admit there were safety issues. 😢

[@joer1678]

There isn’t anything wrong with inventing something new and have it certified safe at the same time…

[@narlywaves2371]

Certification doesn't guarantee safe

[@JayandSarah]

@@narlywaves2371 actually, it guarantees a high level of safety. Nothing is 100% safe. This thing clearly would not have passed any certification. Carbon Fiber was bound to fail in time. It was only a matter of it. Anyone with a carbon bicycle frame will tell you that, doesn't need exposing it to salt water and such pressure to know this. Could have been 2 feet thick same thing would have happened.

[@gracebateman777]

It was very expensive to get external certification too.

[@CoroCieloAzul]

He probably knew it wouldn’t pass

[@Defender78]

@@JayandSarah Stockton Rush should have been wise enough to know his carbon fiber Titan wasn't made for repeated dives, like the submerisibles that major organizations and James Cameron rode in. I';m sure Stockton and his wife, now-widow Wendy Weil Rush, discussed the topic of safety, in private, or at dinner, and crossed their fingers it would hold together... she knew. None of the people aboard were explorers or heroes, no more than a Bat-suit flyer is who perishes when he slams into a bridge at 200 mph.

[@ACCOMPLISHEDSHEIS]

That person that got fired by the CEO need to counter sue, because the CEO was warned but chose greed over safety.

[@oliviahancook5195]

There was another group of father and son who turned down those tickets to go down. They felt that Stockton brushed off some of their concerns that is why they turned down the tickets and then the father and son from the UK took those seats.Their interview was eye opening as to Stocktons mindset.

[@meatrealwishes]

The dad and Rush made fun of the kid's safety concern.

[@commuterbranchline8132]

It’s a shame that four other people had to die due to one man’s recklessness.

[@jacksonturner9477]

Oh my god... He couldn't make it any more clear that safety didn't mean anything to him!

[@handsoffmygunmf6750]

Under sustained load in the presence of seawater, carbon fiber's tensile strength decreases 7 to 12%. Wet-dry cycles also weaken it and prolonged exposure to UV light and condensation degrades the epoxy and can decrease the tensile strength of carbon fiber by 29%. He had those titanium end caps married to the carbon fiber cabin with epoxy, and epoxy resin has a tensile strength of 5 to 6000 psi, while the Titanic depth has a pressure of 6000 psi. Every time he took the contraption down, he was weakening it. It amazes me that those end caps stayed on during the first trip, because he was stressing epoxy resin to its max. When he sent the last message that he was resurfacing, it probably sprung a high pressure leak which was the beginning of the end. It would have exploded the capsule like compressed air blowing up a tire. The pressure entering the sealed cabin in one compromised spot would be like a valve stem putting air inside a tire, until the cabin exploded, while the bodies imploded. This is just speculation and I could be wrong, but something happened when he sent that message he was resurfacing.

[@mymontages9749]

This is typical in those who value money, materialistic items or self experiences over other's well being in all aspects and especially in tgose that have "power" over others. We have seen type of behavior, time and time again, especially in the medical field.

[@nbrown5602]

This actually makes me feel better about the industry. It IS properly regulated, and they DO have safety standards. Stockton just defied them, and the consequences of such defiance are clear.

[@juicyparsons]

I know at first I was like "THEY JUST OUT HERE DOING WHATEVER!?!?!" I mean, the company is, but they dont have institutional support and I see why....sheesh

[@thefamousdjx]

He even built his own experimental plane lol

[@pixie706]

The problem is that it wasn't just him who died.

[@simonbaxter8001]

​@thefamousdjx Experimental planes are highly regulated by the FAA/CAA and can’t be used for commercial purposes. Big difference!

[@topofthemorning6832]

Doesn't matter if it's regulated if it's not required for commercial passengers.

[@BanjoPixelSnack]

I worked in lifting engineering (although am not an engineer myself) but all the engineers I worked with used the safety regulations to inspire their innovation. They willingly accepted the challenge of how do we find creative ways to solve problems within the boundaries and restrictions placed on us. They respected safety above all else knowing that the one thing you can’t replace is a human life. Boundaries inspire creation. Rush was deluding himself that he was innovating, he was not innovating successfully because his final creation DIDNT WORK, now proven by the implosion of his craft which is proof of its failure. It’s not innovation if it is not fit for purpose. It’s just haphazard messing around, experimenting with people’s lives on the line. The guy was just an utter cowboy.

[@emp0rizzle]

"you can't use carbon fibre" - rules "oh yeah? WATCH ME!" - Stockton "The Crush" Rush

[@wadewilson8011]

I'm just a high school graduate, and even I know that carbon fiber is a fools material when it comes to atmospheric pressure under millions of tons of ocean water. Degrees, careers, expertise mean absolutely NOTHING without basic common sense. This Stockton Rush clown proved that quite accurately. 🙄🤦🏾‍♂️

[@jostrong2385]

Cowboy? I can't agree with that....egocentric man that took four innocent victims with him.

[@michaelbee8263]

That’s ridiculous. Innovation by definition incurs mistakes. To say he wasn’t innovating is stupid. He just didn’t manage risks well enough. Look At Elizabeth Holmes, same story, and eventually others succeeded where they failed.

[@cocoa-cola]

@@michaelbee8263 who? who succeeded where they failed?

[@jubertong1242]

His arrogance killed him, and the worst part is, he brought four people with him.

[@g3user1usa]

The OceanGate CEO said diving in the Titan submersible was as safe as crossing the street. Yeah, streets that are not in New York City which are quite dangerous to cross. Still, no one crossing a street is required to sign a waiver against injury and death like passengers had to do for that 'fun' ride in the Titan. I really feel sorry for that young man who didn't really want to go for that dive except to please his father. I hope OceanGate is out of the amusement ride, deep-sea diving business forever now that the CEO perished.

[@ivette4884]

He became victim of his own ignorance… prayers to the victims and families.

[@dino91001]

more like negligence. and arrogance. it wasn’t ignorance, he was well-informed by engineers numerous times regarding safety concerns

[@tabby73]

Ignorance and arrogance

[@wendyphoenix]

Nah, he is NOT a victim, the ones who are victims are dead now. These people and their family are the victims.

[@ubahfly5409]

Hubris, you mean.

[@mjbarbaraconstantestremera5509]

More like arrogance

[@Cosmosisification]

I like how the guy that was defending Stockton Rush is like "He was doing things far beyond what anyone else had" Like yeah no shit because he was dodging safety regulations lmao

[@Galworld761]

He was not an innovator. He recreated a Home Depot version of the Hunley. Innovators are the navy subs, the deep sea robots. This is Fashion Nova of sub industry.

[@ZolaClyde]

@@Galworld761Exactly.

[@cosmosadorabilis7677]

These men see everything as a gamble, and they can't conceive we "losers" don't.

[@MrBobsmith34]

also people have dived much deeper than this before- in the 1960s. So there should be tried and tested technology. His innovation was doing it on the cheap

[@innocentnemesis3519]

And what’s more, his design was actually laughably regressive and that’s why the deep sea community banded together to try and tell him. It clearly fell on deaf, grandiose ears.

[@PotPoet]

It is a shame that the CEO had to take other lives with his own in this tragic triumph of ego over reason. It is also tragic that his sales pitch was deadly in its persuasiveness and the real cost would be more than money. The CEO wins the Darwin Award. Sadly, the other brave souls are consequential losses.

[@hrae91]

If Titan was rigorously tested, they wouldn't need to look for loopholes just to operate the business.

[@itsallmyfault264]

The nerve of these people to defend the sub that killed 5 people is astounding

[@mscainglet1118]

I hope this company will be sued coz they will kill more people for greed’s sake.

[@ianhopkins7457]

rigorous testing yet in less than 2 hours of launch they had lost comms etc, so that was likely when they died, and this fiasco of a "rescue" was to make people pay attention, think if the news was billionaires die in 5 man sub going to the titanic wreck, next..

[@anime0takk32]

The line about mirroring the phrase "she is unsinkable" was brilliant. People really need to stop underestimating nature. Yes, humans have the remarkable quality of finding ways to best nature but not without luck. Risk is certainly important in making progress but don't put other people's lives in danger. Also, the 4 other people also made huge mistakes on their part. One would assume that such wealthy people would have the sound mind to deduce whether a submersible is safe or not.

[@Censortubes]

Nothing man can build is indestructible.

[@sammyhooligan803]

Absolutely, and also other people who are fooled into risking their lives by an exact example of Stockton. Yes, it's sad that he also lost his life in this tragedy but , it was avoidable. From the demonstration and attitude videos of him and his sub , it was plain and clear of his neglect for safety of that submersible. Was it fear of loosing money for safety upgrades he should have done to his vehicle or was it absolute stupidity of not acknowledging the risk? Unfortunately 4 others died because of his lack of concern.

[@pissiole5654]

Can't see how wealth would qualify them to deduce whether a submersible is safe or not... They certainly had enough money to hire people who do though

[@Foxytrot-sx2vd]

Maybe Stockton talked a good talk that convinced the others they'd be okay, because he was going too. The old money where your mouth is confidence. He might also have been seeking offshore investors to keep his company going so he could keep the concerns and ridicules away from their social and science/explorer group circles. I don't know that, just sharing a thought.

[@dz7a756]

It's a terrible and dangerous thing to relate wealth and accomplishments with sound judgment. Be well and be at peace.

[@cheekykitten25]

I think it’s more sad and unfair that the other passengers were probably told everything is safe etc etc Such a sad tragedy. 😢 Only good thing is that they didn’t feel a thing. Sad for all the friends and family they’ve left behind. I saw that the margin for the maximum depth of the submersible was far too low. Eg. Max depth was 4000m when the wreck is at 3800m. In comparison, max depth for other vessels are at least 6000m.

[@therustynut1081]

Did dude just really say that titan was far more advanced than Cameron's submersible?! Lmaooooo

[@Thunderhawk51]

This whole case literally reflects our modern world perfectly. Corner cutting, arrogance, greed and utter lack of responsibility. And it's literally happening in every industry on Earth. Decades ago, stuff was made to last. But today all that matters is money and nothing works. I really do feel bad for the kid who didn't even wanna go in the first place.

[@laurenrobertson1371]

You forgot narcissism and utter detachment from reality.

[@nebelpirat]

Neoliberalism in a nutshell!

[@lenawagenfuehr53]

Nah, look up the Sampoong disaster in Seoul in 1995. Corrupt developer built too many floors with shoddy material and didn't evacuate the building when cracks appeared. Things weren't built to last 30 years ago either...

[@artxiom]

That's nothing new, it happened all the time in human history.

[@noorgonzalez1076]

@@artxiom Man has dominated man to his own injury😮😢 Psalm 37:10,11

[@Barnseyy17]

It’s so clear corners were cut to a ridiculous level - the CEO is recorded saying so himself. Nobody can defend this. Absolutely shocking situation the more information comes out

[@caseyadams1861]

I don't know why the rich guys didn't do more research into this man before agreeing to get into that vessel with him. I guess they were all simply arrogant and reckless. They didn't think the laws of physics applied to them because they were simply above a silly notion like that.

[@GaryGraham-sx4pm]

what was father ted doing designing a submarine anyway?

[@rubiconklbrutorowman7577]

Founder is dead, but no good cofounder WILL have to deal with all that lawsuit is VERY comforting thought is indeed, because his arrogance is NOT must pay, regardless of his totally weak defense trying to minimize lawsuits amount by saying it was accident when it was intentional and legal world, cofounder is equally responsible because of *NOT just negligence, but **deliberate negligence POSSIBLE, likely, add up damage amount! I can tell you someone with little legal education background, cofounder might have to declare bankruptcy, defending he rich he is. So, your stunning, rightfully so, will see the results in the court of the law, so take it comfort if you would!

[@BrangoDrango]

​@@rubiconklbrutorowman7577little legal background you say? I can't believe it given your communication skills

[@SuPeRz4ever]

@@rubiconklbrutorowman7577they would have signed a bunch of waiver/indemnity agreements before they were allowed on the vessel. They may not get much out of a lawsuit

[@talboyovGY]

Lol, the CEO guy saying they did rigorous testing etc is bizarre. Those supporting the ocean gate team are saying people just keep attacking them incorrectly as they want to impede innovation etc and the safety concerns were unwarranted but this is still their stance after the critics were proven correct!

[@gtf5392]

Kudos to Robert McCallum, William Kohnen, and others who did everything they could to protect innocent lives. It looks like Stockton Rush’s true colors are coming to light. My heart and prayers go out to the families, especially the family of the 19-year old.

[@rubiconklbrutorowman7577]

Founder is dead, but no good cofounder WILL have to deal with all that lawsuit is VERY comforting thought is indeed, because his arrogance is NOT must pay, regardless of his totally weak defense trying to minimize lawsuits amount by saying it was accident when it was intentional and legal world, cofounder is equally responsible because of *NOT just negligence, but **deliberate negligence POSSIBLE, likely, add up damage amount! I can tell you someone with little legal education background, cofounder might have to declare bankruptcy, defending he rich he is. So, your stunning, rightfully so, will see the results in the court of the law, so take it comfort if you would!

[@thisisanaussiegal3590]

It's gotta be bitter/sweet that he was proved correct - much like the theranos whistle blowers

[@brianglade848]

Yes, but did anyone see what Mr Bruno did?

[@abbynormal4740]

The exchange between Mr McCallum and Mr Rush is somewhat reminiscent of Roger Boisjoly's ardent objections to launching the shuttle Challenger at near/sub-freezing temperatures and NASA's obsession with trying to keep their launch schedule - another tragic example of the deadly consequences of sacrificing safety in a blind, Go Fever pursuit of the mission....

[@raphaellavictoria01]

Stockton's estate should compensate everyone who died. His estate should go ABSOLUTELY bankrupt, as human lives are priceless. What a sickening narcissist he was. He deserved to die, he isn't a victim. The other 4 people are, he conned them.

[@nightelfuser]

After watching many videos about this event, it's clear to me that OceanGate's CEO had a deathwish. It wasn't a desire for adventure, as many people have said. The man brushed off every safety standard, and cut corners everywhere he could. The submarine wasn't even his first "garage project" that wasn't certified. This was bound to happen eventually, and unfortunately he took 4 other people with him to the grave.

[@sabagisara]

Cannot stop them as they know what they doing. Its like people hiking on everest and die. They know the risk and sign the waiver.

[@udirt]

Imo not a death wish, just complete "winner's" arrogance of an un-educated person who thinks each time they get away with just scratches it were proof of being on the right path, and someone warming them or asking them would just be "annoying"...

[@user-sf9gs2pg1b]

I think it wasn’t an intentional wish of death, more so he just thought he was better than he was, that he was above safety standards.

[@writerforlifeify]

@@user-sf9gs2pg1b Agreed! Sheer arrogance killed this man, and 4 others paid the forfeit with their own lives. Ironic how blatant arrogance played the most pivotal role in both the demise of the Titanic & Titan(ic)-bound sub.

[@aviajarehema7393]

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[@hfvhf987]

Listening to the co-founder is sickening. I would say he's as delusional as Rush but he's got invested interest and he knows it's going to court!

[@stan9737]

It's like the people defending the CEO forgot this thing just imploded in the ocean.

[@apippin774]

The families need to sue the hell out of the company as blatant disregard for safety can’t be protected by a waiver document. The public expect the company to use its best efforts but not blatant disregard for safety.

[@galaxia4709]

Exactly

[@yesyes9698]

Thank you. The negligence was clear. And those copying a pasting “bUt ThEy SiGnEd A wAiVeR” should take a sit and do some research. Waiver doesn’t mean free to do crime. Gross.

[@yesyes9698]

Seat

[@serialseatsniffer5610]

​@@yesyes9698there's an edit button ya know. Wow, crazy huh

[@nobytes2]

there's no edit button on mobile browsers...

[@mikeellis4345]

There is always someone that tries to defend blatant arrogance, hubris and stupidity. Especially after such a preventable tragedy like this one.

[@AsariNextDoor]

I think if Stockton Rush was only risking his own life for the venture, then one could use arguments like pushing the boundaries as a viable defense. If he wanted to take the risk to his own health and safety in the name of exploration, he has every right to. When he started charging people to come along as passengers and advertising his dangerous experimental prototype as a tourist attraction, that's when he crossed several lines. As things stand now, there's no argument that can possibly defend this man's actions. Note how the only people defending him are part of his company. I don't even think they believe in the arguments they're making, they're probably just saying it because admitting they were negligent is going to get them sued to oblivion.

[@thefamousdjx]

because they are also dumb and empty headed

[@metalsadman]

@@AsariNextDoor and they should be sued and all the expenses on the recovery operations.

[@bernzcom]

Of course they have to defend the company bec they know they are going to get sued right to the bottom of their hearts.

[@darlenep1616]

@@AsariNextDoorexactly. You could tell by their manner that they weren’t buying their own words…

[@crystal6350]

The only comforting thing is that people didn’t realize pain during last moments! RIP 😢

[@arthurcurry2003]

How do you know this? It’s such a ridiculous claim. Think! No knows or will ever know such a thing.

[@thoughtful_criticiser]

Titan was required to be certified by the USCG as it was constructed in the USA. It did actually dive in US waters, performing a test five with a film crew in Puget Sound.

[@Wormygirl0099]

How selfish of the founder to take that email as a personal insult. He was not alone. He was taking money from ppl in a vessel that was being said to be very unpredictable. How dare he put others lives at risk. He is to blame here, just because he is a victim does not mean he bares any less responsibility for those people losing their lives. Disgusting

[@SL-zz7mg]

They took money from people and cancelled their tours, too. Refused to refund them.

[@joshuabuckle6169]

Even if the so called founder or CEO took it as a personal insult, the founder should of took the criticism and listened. If the founder could not his job properly, like any other person, the founder should of resigned from his post as soon as possible. Lives were lost and he should of been charged with murder as he knew there was defects in the vessel and he warned that 'he could kill someone'. Those are some serious words, KILL and MURDER someone. Finally, I hope with High Court and Supreme Court of Canada and USA will find him guilty or first degree and second degree murder.

[@RPKGameVids]

The company's blatant disregard for safety needs to feel the full force of the law.

[@Kpoole35]

Who’s law?

[@Nozylatten]

the company yes, but the victims family cannot these idiots signed waivers saying they cannot sue. I cannot believe they took that kid there, sickening.

[@MikeM-go7hp]

@@Nozylatten They might be able to, if their lawyers can link that the Oceangate emails to a case of criminal negligence. The waivers they sign will only cover "reasonable" or "unforeseen" risk. They won't cover a rogue company who completely ignore dire safety warnings.

[@a1ais315]

@@Nozylatten worse part was the kid never wanter to go cus he was scared of it, but didn't want to disappoint his father so he went anyways

[@shontelleg4670]

I hope the families of those other people sue the hell out of the coowner! The fact that they are still defending the CEO and this vessel is crazy!

[@mdubb4855]

What do you call a CEO who is not impressed by his critics? Compressed.

[@jinxed402]

"He was doing something no one else did..." That's exactly the issue at hand, sir.

[@homespace1268]

Yeah, doing something stupid...at least everyone else is still alive to talk about it!

[@dorianrustik6880]

yeah that guy was an investor and deeply in denial.

[@LuisPereira-bn8jq]

No, it really isn't. If everyone is doing what everyone else does, then nothing will progress, by definition. This thread is filled with clownish comments from people who don't understand the difference between a common passenger airliner and a cutting edge vehicle. What is true is that they shouldn't have been using this vehicle commercially until the design was further along. But you won't get any progress if everyone is just copying everyone else.

[@jinxed402]

@@LuisPereira-bn8jq It's your life. If you want to stupidly destroy yourself, get nuts. But don't stand there and lie.

[@LuisPereira-bn8jq]

@@jinxed402 Huh, huh. Did you know that the Wright Brothers were also risking their lives when they were "doing something no on else did"? Every day you benefit from technology that wouldn't have happened without people who risked their lives to develop it. So maybe you should think twice before acting like a pampered ungrateful ignoramus.

[@kjmav10135]

Of course the OceanGate Cofounder and investors are going to defend the company. They sort of have to. But the fact that they resisted getting any certification, even if it meant they could only operate in international waters, tells me everything I need to know. This is really irresponsible. The people who joined in this adventure most likely had no idea that they were dealing with a company that resisted standards and guidelines.

[@stefgen04]

Funny because these people in the voyage are experts on the field as well. They sure know what they were risking. Well, they wouldn’t be billionaires if they don’t know how to risk. Just sad it came to this.

[@simulationkoyo]

if they didnt defend they would be open to countless lawsuits. too bad they didnt go down with the sub.

[@done.6191]

They actually don’t have to. They could finally tell the truth.

[@raphaellavictoria01]

Stockton's estate should compensate everyone who died. His estate and OceanGate should go ABSOLUTELY bankrupt, as human lives are priceless. What a sickening narcissist. He isn't a victim. The other 4 people are, he conned them.

[@kjmav10135]

@@stefgen04 That may be true of the french guy, but perhaps not true of the others.