Todd Phillips Exposed - Joker: Folie à Deux

Pretentious filmmaking at its finest.
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When Joker isn’t Joker. Joker: Folie à Deux not only exposes Todd Phillips for his lack of original ideas, it also shows that he either doesn’t understand his own story or doesn’t care about his own story. Joaquin Phoenix, Lady Gaga, and Todd Phillips decide to blow 200 million on a vanity project that hates its own audience. Let’s discuss the real problems with Joker: Folie à Deux
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[@RobotHead]

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[@hashvendetta7226]

Its not todd Phillips exposed. Its "everyone who deluded themselves into thinking the first movie was good, exposed" Its funny watching this all crash down on them.

[@pass-the-juice]

jewish tricks

[@richtungmeer]

To be fair, your rant was at least a bit nuanced compared to all the other Anglican youtubers out there, plus, you even did the effort of pronouncing the title correctly. Overall though, I think you are just too mainstream-wired and not capable of grasping a radical arthouse approach of this extent. Which is astonishing, that they even dared to do pull that off, given these dire times, where blockbuster movies are strictly made to a calculated formula by studio executives. But different expectations lead to different opinions, all I can say is, that here in Europe the film is also discussed differently, and I personally think it's one fine set of two movies, that will age very well with time.

[@BungieStudios]

We missed you Robot Head!

[@chaosiscoming9184]

this was a joker and harley movie where both ain't really joker or harley... so what was the point of this movie? tell me..

[@silvernova354]

This film should have been called, "Joker 2 - How dare you like the first one".

[@AscendantStoic]

Joker 2: The Fail You Do 😅

[@Stringingbear9299]

Didn't the story set people up to sympathize with him though??

[@silvernova354]

@@Stringingbear9299 To some extent yes, it's just that the main thrust of the story seemed to be a depressing documentary (and musical) of his fall and demise.

[@brandonscott9747]

@@Stringingbear9299 Yeah that's the worst part. You were supposed to sympathize with him, and then when you did, they called you names for it and made a sequel to spite you.

[@Cyraxslayer666]

Correction Arthur 2

[@graemeorr5884]

How would Harley know the significance of the Stairs if he was alone on the stairs in the first movie

[@juggernaut316]

The movie is full of plot holes. Some people say Harley didn't even exist she was just in Arthur's head.

[@ArmedandDangerous918]

Obviously Deadpool used the TVA time pad to go tell Harley where Arthur will be to save the DCU

[@braddoc4087]

That's because she saw the first movie.

[@YouilAushana]

Sorry you will never know.

[@MisanGlorpe]

Same with the finger gun to the head. Why would she know the significance?

[@SammEater]

Joker 2 is a humiliation ritual for the people that made the original too good by accident.

[@YouilAushana]

*_Shame Shame_*

[@truthyahweh9877]

The first one was dog do do also.

[@FZXTCHR]

Admonish!

[@Ihavehadmanynames7779]

They make it good at first and ruin it on purpose. That’s the theatre kid comedy m.o

[@stejabrayaga]

​@@truthyahweh9877you are incompetent

[@timheinrich3752]

It feels so weird for a creator to have so much hatred for a certain group of fans, but I guess I really shouldn't be surprised anymore.

[@greedyyawgoo5635]

Yup, he just uses the IP Joker for himself and after getting 20M, he double middle fingers to anyone love the first one.

[@haroldb1856]

Normally, you only see this at Lucasfilm.

[@JurassicRod]

''The message'' propaganda is all that matters. The audience that made the first film over a billion are not the right audience. The sequel simply had to switch to the usual demoralization propaganda Hollywood churns out now.

[@wet-read]

You all were being too generous with his first abysmal stab at the Joker character. It is terrible film. Boring. Lame.

[@Bls-of1ld]

This has been the standard in hollywood for a decade now

[@tochukwuudu7763]

Imagine if joker escaped prison and terrorized gotham thats all we wanted.

[@jay-ur1mj]

Not happening while being a straight white man......

[@floridtv]

womp womp

[@srthomas65]

That's Joker 3: here ya go

[@uldispaze7325]

*Gotham or Washington DC

[@kitkat6959]

When the guys had him in the car at the end I thought it was finally happening, that these were the beginnings of his gang

[@spokajutlandandmetallurgis3404]

Joker 1 Low budget - Profits Over a billion dollars Joker 2 High Budget - It will earn less than it cost :D

[@FoulPet]

Go.woke....

[@YouilAushana]

Its like every office party ever.

[@laurisaarinen1126]

The first one obviously made too much money... Gotta balance things out!

[@FoulPet]

@laurisaarinen1126 thats Disneys strategy, but i think they are falling behind

[@StickHits]

@@FoulPet Did you even watch the movie? It's didn't "get woke", it just "got bad".

[@only_in_starfleet]

The fact that Joker went from a highly praised, financially successful, Oscar-winning film to having an opening weekend comparable to Mornius is crazy

[@PieroMinayaRojas]

Mornius

[@chancemueller1014]

Mornius

[@8DarthGhost8]

​@@chancemueller1014its Mornin time

[@TimeTravelingAsshole]

@@8DarthGhost8Why did this make me laugh so much? 😂

[@McKennaBates]

And the fact that the first movie was going to be debated until the end of time like Inception until Joker 2.

[@DirectorCM]

Joker was Taxi Driver/The King of Comedy. Joker 2 should've been One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest/A Clockwork Orange. I think if Todd Phillips stuck to copying older films, it would've worked. It was a missed opportunity to tell a gritty, disgusting, institutional story. The first film gave us glimpses of how malfunctioned, and utterly flawed healthcare in Gotham is. Citizens with mental health issues in Gotham are treated like scum. Let's delve deeper into that, Run with that. Tell a rich story that just so happens to have Joker in it. Arkham could've been a trough of material.

[@puzzlebawce795]

Just go watch those movies and quit making garbage we don’t need

[@daousdava]

It did copy older films. Just older than you enjoy. The film was GOLD if you enjoy old Hollywood

[@DoctorKnow00]

Joker 2 should have been Natural Born Killers (1994), Bonnie and Clyde inspired film. Joker and Harley on a crime spree across Gotham in a universe that doesn't have Batman. That would've been right on time.

[@KingKali-u4n]

When I watched joker 2 thought Todd Phillips would copy one few over the cuckoo nest but no, he borrowed heavily from Dennis potter's pennies from heaven, set in the depression, where characters escape into their mind thru musical numbers, Steve Martin and Bernadette Peters did this movie in 1981

[@MalabarTheGreat]

​@@daousdava what old-Hollywood movies were copied by Joker 2?

[@notyou6674]

the only shocking thing about this movie is that lady gaga wasn't the reason it sucked

[@Rytnix4279rs]

Gaga is also one of the reason . Her acting was great but she’s no Harley Quinn. She as Harley sucked.

[@justforever96]

Good point.

[@notyou6674]

@@Rytnix4279rs that's obviously not her fault though? given a bad script and an inept director and the fact she isn't even an actor primarily she did better than anyone could have reasonably suspected.

[@notyou6674]

@@justforever96 thanks i appreciate it

[@supershid464]

she can act pretty well, considering her previous roles

[@Iffy350]

I wish I could spend money the way hollywood does and not have to worry about the consequences.

[@Schnittertm1]

Oh, that's easy, become a politician. ;)

[@Mistlover]

Billions get pumped into these terrible TV shows and films yet most people are still living paycheck to paycheck. Lol

[@Lord_IRoman]

At this point I just feel this is all a money laundering scheme

[@Daniel__Nobre]

@@Mistloverindeed. And we all contribute to this garbage and crazyness by giving them part of our paychecks at them.

[@Mistlover]

@@Daniel__Nobre I don’t know about we. I haven’t been to the cinema in years. They’ve clearly got too much money. Like seriously why was this even made, for the sake of it.

[@Laarye]

Disperu pointed it out really well: Joker told you to stand up for yourself, but the 'wrong' people were listening, so Joker 2 tells you that you get punished for standing up for yourself instead of following the rules. *edit for spelling

[@Nariiss02]

I think it's more "if you're a shitty person, you're getting what you deserve" bc... he did kill 5 people, and a 6th technically died bc they were supporting him. 7th is you count puddles saying he doesn't have a life from being so traumatized

[@AffectedArea]

@@Nariiss02 So Hollywood are moralists now? After decades of promoting violence (often against the 'right' targets) and glorifying serial killers NOW they are trad moralists because the 'wrong' audience sympathized with aspects of Arthur's story? Even though they're the ones constantly telling us about mental health and 'marginalized' people and even incited/supported riots in 2020? Amazing hypocrisy.

[@HiddenHandMedia]

Disperu is a fucking clown

[@_V.Va_]

Sounds like a Redditor's take on it.

[@VOgaming51official]

@@_V.Va_ I mean, if you watch Disperu for long enough you'll find that he doesn't know what he's talking about most of the time...I mean, sure he does have a good point here or there but, overall...

[@MarvinPowell1]

I've seen so many comments saying how this movie should've been Arthur meeting Harleen Quinzel while in Arkham, seeing a "imitator Joker" (played by Willem Dafoe) out on the loose in Gotham on the news, and that the Joker persona should've "taken over" Arthur, turned Quinzel into Harley Quinn, and escaped Arkham with Harley, only to confront the "imposter" Joker and lose to him, while Harley switches to the "new" Joker instead. The fans would've made a better sequel than the guy who actually made the first movie.

[@eatonknass247]

After all I've heard of it, I'll continue to not see the follow up and enjoy the first film

[@brokenfunnibones]

Todd Philips next movie, Superman but without the powers

[@wet-read]

That movie was already made. It was called Unbreakable. It is the best thing M. Night Shy guy did IMO.

[@UnintelligibleYT]

Man

[@brokenfunnibones]

"Alienated" The Story of Clark Kent

[@AffectedArea]

@@brokenfunnibones lol. Clark Kent: Journalist fighting misinformation and far-right conspiracy theories.

[@EdnaKonrad4MVS]

Is there a lore reason?

[@gc3k]

The -Joker- Arthur films reminds me of the Brazilian films Elite Squad. The first movie was an excellent and uncompromising mirror of real life but it generated a fanbase the director and his peers didn't want to be attached to, so the sequel was a boring apology tour to disassociate the director from "the wrong people" while offering nothing as a creative production

[@ayanken5048]

Only difference is that elite Squad 2 is actually good and shows the internal system of the country O sistema é foda

[@plumbussmith]

He was supposed to turn his psychiatrist Harley, escape from arkham, and cause more mayhem in Gotham.

[@seyerus]

This film should have been called Joker 2: What the hell even is that

[@cyberpokey]

A surrealist musical violent/chaos-fueld musical with Joker would've actually been incredible. In the hands of a masterful filmmakers (as opposed to a copy-paste "director") we would've had a compelling movie.

[@KenMabie]

could have been possible too .. in the comics joker comes up with some banging songs to torment victims before killing them .. Check out the original Killing Joke he does a great little song and dance number in there while showing Gordon what he did to his daughter Barbra

[@jbgrappling]

Im sad that Phoenix participated in this. The Joker was such a good film that COULD have had a good sequel that expanded on his Joker side taking over.

[@billjacobs521]

What's also funny is that it seemed like Phoenix wanted to move past it. Hell, even shortly after the first one came out, he was getting mad at all the questions about it. It seemed like he felt it to be a stand-alone artistic piece he was proud of, and wanted it to be appreciated for what it was. I don't often like pretentious artists but I was giving him credit for that--I guess a big enough paycheck changed his mind.

[@rainboweagle3510]

Its such a shame that this is the sequel to the INCREDIBLE Joker movie.

[@wet-read]

What made that movie so incredible?

[@knightterror8489]

Tod Phillips is the joke this time

[@PiterburgCowboy]

The fools who gave him money to make this movie are the bigger joke.

[@gintokisan5171]

​​@@PiterburgCowboy and the fans who watched it, and didn't noticed the first film was a scam.

[@Fernando_616]

​@@gintokisan5171lol... He told everyone from the beginning it wasn't Joker, that's not a scam. That's you not paying attention

[@AdrianGonzalez-sh7qm]

Nah he took the joker IP cuz he knew his movie wouldn’t be good. Let’s not pretend todd isn’t being a whiny bitch

[@gintokisan5171]

@@Fernando_616 "paying attention?" like people care what he says from interviews and etc. Or even watched one. Your comment is what an imbecil will say and a simp, you're a stalker ain't you, you even know that he said that.. People mostly care for the movie. If you titled it Joker, you should make it Joker from the comics. It is a scam.

[@dominicwalker1899]

Notice that Authur only laughs like twice in the whole movie?!?! Remember when his medical condition made him laugh whenever he was stressed?

[@RobotHead]

They just forgot about that

[@qrstw]

I hated how people blamed everyone but the director of this movie although they claimed he intentionally made it bad to spite WB. Wouldn't it have made more sense to intentionally make it good to spite them?

[@cryptonaut1435]

Not necessarily. It seems like Phillips didn't want to make a sequel, but you must remember the IP isn't his. It's entirely possible the studio sat down with him and said "Look, we're going to make a sequel and if you don't direct it, we'll find someone else who will and pay them a ridiculous amount. Just make a sequel." So he did, and he made sure it would be hated and end with Arthur dying so any notion of more movies would be unthinkable. Granted, this is tinfoil hat levels of speculation, but I don't think it's an impossibility.

[@eve-llblyat2576]

@@cryptonaut1435 they told what happend. at first phillips and phoenix didnt want to make a second movie. The plans of WB are unknown, but i doubt they wanted to make a joker 2 without phoenix. One knight phoenix had a dream. He dreamed the plot of joler 2. He went to phillips and he agreed to fim it. (i bet he knew WB wouldn mind taking the next best director if he declined). And ofcourse the sweet money. Ofcourse they got green light from WB. They had free hand. No influence from WB, no furcer consultations, no test screenings. Every tiny bit is just Phoenix and phillips work.

[@cryptonaut1435]

@@eve-llblyat2576 I heard about the director having a dream about the second movie, but I'm kind of miffed at how he could have dreamt that and not realized how people would respond to it. I'd like to think that surely he knew, but maybe he really did just decide "yup, that's what I want it to be" and didn't bother to critically engage with the idea as it was presented to him in his sleep💀

[@based-ys9um]

​@@cryptonaut1435Todd isn't a good writer or director. I doubt he'd sabotage a film on purpose. He's just not good.

[@KenDavis-uo8kq]

@@cryptonaut1435not quite. Phoenix had a dream of playing Joker in a Broadway musical. That was the impetus. There were several reasons why it became a film instead of a live theater experience.

[@VeraldoAncodini]

He's a Hollywood creep, I am pretty sure he hates normal people who empathized with Arthur in the first movie.

[@lepersonnage371]

But isn't that the point in the 2nd movie, that he shames people for NOT empathizing with Arthur and only wanting Joker out of him? When he says at the end that he just wants to blow it all up, to scratch all the joker stuff and start over, his followers walk away from him, and that is a mirror to the audience that despite seeing first movie still wanted Arthur to go down the madness and give them some good show at the expense of his humanity and personality.

[@VeraldoAncodini]

@@lepersonnage371 No, that's not what any normal people wanted, or thought about Arthur, and that's not what the director said either.

[@lepersonnage371]

@@VeraldoAncodini you said normal people empathised with Arthur, but how can these same people want him to become a maniac killer (Joker) then? And yes the movie very clearly shows that that's what Phillips wanted to show in the movie. Arthur could never be any prince of crime

[@VeraldoAncodini]

@@lepersonnage371 "but how can these same people want him to become a maniac killer (Joker) then?" Newsflash, we don't. Stop being disingenuous. No one wanted a second movie other than the greedy studio execs. And Philips clearly said that he hates the "chuds" and hates that people were on Arthur's side against the system in the first movie.

[@lepersonnage371]

@@VeraldoAncodini when the sequel was already announced, and when it was released, most people wanted him to be the joker, that's the thing. I don't like the movie either btw

[@SarafanLord101]

You wanna know how I got these scars?! From watching shitty movies that directors seem to think we will enjoy!

[@erikbihari3625]

Honestly robot, harley being crazy for the Joker while him being the dangerous psycopath was their dynamic from day one! Least one accuracy.

[@Enigma75614]

It’s funny that he isolated himself on a ranch for opening weekend and no one has been able to contact him

[@Christian___]

It's the guy who wrote the Hangover sequels (not even the original lol), everything that was good in the first screenplay was, as you said, ripped off from King of Comedy and Taxi Driver or it was projection from viewers who are better writers than he is.

[@Windwalker88]

Didnt one of the hangover guys go on to make Chernobyl? So i guess it doesnt say much

[@Christian___]

@@Windwalker88 You realise that's non-fiction though, it's basically a dramatized documentary so it's not like he needed to come up with a compelling plot and characters.

[@Windwalker88]

@@Christian___ ive seen loads of terrible non-fiction movies and shows, so i disagree

[@Christian___]

@@Windwalker88 You disagree that he didn't need to invent the plot or characters of Chernobyl? There are several documentaries about Chernobyl that predate his one, and they have the exact same points in them and people doing the same things with the documentary makers drawing the exact same conclusions and making the exact same points. Plus they didn't feel the need to have cringe dramatizations.

[@hulkfan97]

​@@Windwalker88 Chernobyl? You mean Superhero Movie?

[@JinGalactica]

Joker 2 plot EZ mode for Todd - Arthur fully develops into Joker after the city collapses. The Asylum he was in is set on fire for everyone to be set free. Jim Gordon tries to save the city. Joker is captured and meets with Harley as a lawyer for the death sentence trial. Joker manipulates her and turns her into Harley Quinn. She sets him free and begins his madness that sets up Gotham. Joker nearly kills Jim Gordon out of self defense but soon realizes he will be man hunted forever, and thus begins his full immersion and starts enjoying violence. There… how hard was that LOL

[@_Dovar_]

Todd "Phillips" has an Early Life section on Wikipedia. It was likely something like this was going to happen, sooner or later...

[@Afflictamine]

the only truthful comment here so far

[@Tojabu]

Funny, there seems to be a common thread in all these Hollywood Early Life sections?.......

[@kennybeans6115]

@@Tojabu I don’t get it. What does an early life section on Wikipedia allude to?

[@Tojabu]

@@kennybeans6115 There just seems to be a lot of Cohencidences.

[@MoviesRemastered]

I don't even think editing out all the musical crap will rescue this movie but I'll give it a shot.

[@FreiGuy86]

Spoiler: It won't

[@sephikong8323]

The movie genuinely had so much potential. Phoenix and Gaga made some very good performances, the idea of having a Joker and Harley movie be a musical where they are the only ones singing and dancing to show them being completely divorced from reality due to the tonal clash between them and the rest of the movie could have been amazing (that's how I interpreted it once it was revealed it would be a musical, I was legitimately very interested in that idea), unfortunately ..... the movie did not know what it wanted to be and was all over the place.... scratch that, the movie knows exactly what it wanted to be, and that is a hate letter to the fans. Seriously, if the movie wasn't made out of so much spite, I think it could have been good

[@Goremejy]

What’s so insulting is by the end of the first “Arthur” was essentially dead, Joker was now in charge and Arthur LET him take over. He was fully gone and had embraced it, the POINT of the ending was showing he was now to far gone. But then I guess he just changes his mind? Maybe I did some bad stuff? It’s just so insulting

[@waiting4jesus316]

They destroyed it on purpose.

[@SorenCicchini]

Wait... what was that at the end?! Did they try to undo the first film as a Joker origin story by saying that he wasn't really the Joker all along?

[@RobotHead]

Yep 👍

[@SorenCicchini]

@@RobotHead OMG! Hahaha! That's so pathetically petty and impotent!

[@FreiGuy86]

I guess Im in the minority of not being surprised by this since he never felt like the Joker in the first place to me. Perhaps him progressing from mental patient to clown prince of crime would've been a better sequel but I didn't have a ton of hope for that.

[@daousdava]

It was never an origin story ffs. The joker DOESN'T have an origin story

[@SorenCicchini]

@@daousdava please explain.

[@the98themperoroftheholybri33]

I had someone online tell me they liked the ending, that Arthur never really was "the real joker". Yeah, i love nothing more to learn a story of how a man becomes the joker, only for it all to not even be the joker, but some random dude. Tell me the story of the random dude then

[@musicdz8135]

Joker 2 Humiliates Joker by doing "stuff" to him in prison because the original had message for "the wrong people". Very similar to a certain "most humane army" would do. Checks out Todd Phillips background. In case you are wondering....yes he is.

[@tonep3168]

Actors should never be the ones writing and directing (unofficially or otherwise) the movies they are in. Just shows you the extreme ego and rampant terminal narcissism of even a good actor like phoenix. When an actor runs the show, it's always game over for the audience. Look at Star Trek, as soon as the actors start interfering, it goes to crap.

[@kirstenb1913]

Sad but true

[@kri249]

Todd Phillips: "So, you know how Lady Gaga wears those bizarre costumes in her music videos. And Harley Quinn wears those bizarre Joker themed costumes. Well, how about we cast Lady Gaga as Harley Quinn but not wearing any bizarre costumes? Studeo executive: "...............brilliant!"

[@mechamaniac1567]

Folie a Deux? More like Folie a DOODOO! The biggest thing that even made Joker a thing was it literally being labelled by the media as "inspiring violence"... even though Frozen 2 literally had more violence ar screenings back then! "We live in a Society" and "Clown World" are very popular sentiments, and that's why people loved this Joker. He's a murderer, sure, and his methods are very wrong, but some of his sentiments weren't wrong. This is WB intentionally sabotaging the movie. They made something their creditors didn't allow them to make. The first movie nicely paints DEI as the menace it really is.

[@KenMabie]

the madness of poo .. yep that about sums it up

[@hulkfan97]

Explain the last sentence about DEI. Don't mean to question you just curious what you meant.

[@mechamaniac1567]

@@hulkfan97 Clown World is all about how hard work doesn't matter at all. Instead your skin color and race is all that matters. Many people felt Joker's "Society" side perfectly describes today's SJW world.

[@hulkfan97]

@@mechamaniac1567 I know that but I don't recall DEI playing a part in Joker

[@mechamaniac1567]

@@hulkfan97 It's not really direct as I said, more of an applicability thing.

[@vegettosonlab]

Probably should have had a Bonny and Clyde ending.

[@guilhermeurizzi2375]

Or Romeo and Juliet

[@KardboardKenny]

who tf thought "lady" gag-a-maggot and musical were gonna make anything but a sheeeiiit "Joker" movie?

[@Dousch]

10:35 Seeing this glimpse of the "Murray" scene again just reinforces how far Phillips has fallen, and how far we now are from the AMAZING first film and the impact it left in late 2019. I remember those days. Goodbye, Joker.

[@wet-read]

The first Joker was shit too! Why can't some people see that?!

[@FreiGuy86]

It doesn't seem like he was some genius who has fallen since the first Joker. He lucked out with it. He captured lightning in a bottle with the first movie by paying homage to 2 great films, with a great cinematographer, and focusing it on an amazing actor. I mean yeah he made beloved comedies 20 years ago and also struck gold with Hangover but his recent trajectory wasn't exactly stellar. Hangover 2, Due Date, Hangover 3, Joker, Joker 2. One of these things is not like the rest. Im not saying he wasn't capable of proving me wrong but I'm just not all that surprised. Perhaps he should've made a tribute to One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.

[@simonbarker980]

Even if we take the most positive interpretation of this film, we're supposed to believe the actual Joker is just a derivative copycat of a loser like Arthur?

[@RRRRRRRRR33]

Honestly this take of the Joker is just as pathetic in my pov, both losers. The director forced a "clown revolution" out of nowhere to justify the comic book source material, Joker is supposed to be a charismatic "prince of crime", but how the hell a caricature of suffering could justify that? Then here it comes the Batman origin just to complete the shitty package. To think people seriously compared this pretentious garbage with Heath Ledger is something hilarious to me, Oscar bait overactor vs real talent

[@tylerlong5112]

This is probably why he did not want a sequel because he knew he didn’t have anything to pay homage to and people saw the cracks because of it.

[@rahulkunche7934]

The beauty of Joker lies in his chaos. Imagine the first half being about Arthur's prison break from Arkham with Quinns help. Imagine the second half being about him forming his own massive gang and going apeshit on the town to bring about his own definition of fairness and order and in doing so, creates opportunities for the fledgling versions of classical gotham villains to rise among the ranks. And towards the end it starts to unravel as their people start getting picked off one by one. Someone is taking a stand against their empire. Final scene. That someone leaves their calling card for the joker. It's a batarang. The end.

[@dlbutters7164]

The first Joker was amazing, IMO, so... I'll just pretend this sequel never happened and move on with my life.

[@kirstenb1913]

👍 agreed

[@Jhunta]

just the fact that phillips wanted to add a male gang grape scene w his main character let's me know phillips has probably been to too many diddy parties. and he absolutley disgusts me. i wont see this film ever just based on that scene alone. fkking disgusting trash.

[@billjacobs521]

There's nothing inherently wrong with including something brutalist like that in a movie, if it's earned and not just cheap exploitation.

[@DJJunkfoodJay]

As soon as I heard Lady Gaga was starring in it, I knew Joker 2 would flop. Hard.

[@jbug1979]

Joker 2: Can't Read my Joker Face 🎶

[@Jon-qf6qg]

My hot take in 2019 was that Joker was rushed and vapid, and hid its storytelling incompetence behind pretentiousness and artsy cinematography. I was never convinced that it even know what it was trying to say, only that audience members cleverer than the movie’s actual writer were projecting their own far better interpretations onto it and rating it too highly as a result.

[@JurassicRod]

Todd's making a Batman movie next apparently. Bruce will be a depressed loser over his parents death, go out dressed as Batman once then on his second attempt at crime fighting get gang graped by thugs then shanked. But a young boy walking past will see it and put two sticks behind his ears to look like bat ears, implying he will maybe become Batman. If you don't like it it's just because you don't ''get'' it.

[@benceszarvas5464]

Nah that will be one black young female. If you don't get it,you know where is the exit door

[@ProxyDoug]

I assumed the film was going to be about Harley making a case for Arthur and using musical Therapy to reach to him, but ends up being confronted by the Joker the deeper she goes into his mind.

[@hieunguyenrileygekko]

Terrifier 3 is a movie about a clown who terrorises people Joker 2 is a movie about clown who terrories fans of the first movie

[@Mariannalivingston999]

😂terrorises them with dating a trans woman too

[@AJ-HawksToxicFinger]

Joker 2: It's not for you!

[@fuzzy8593]

Make Harley Quinn look like the lead singer of Nickleback!? Genius! 200 million dollar budget for you!

[@CGR89]

The problem was the “wrong” people liked the joker character from the first one.

[@jkid4855]

This movie is about a hack director who got lucky making a movie that’s a ripoff of two other great movies finally got exposed.

[@MrShaunsk]

WTF happened to his uncontrollable laugh? It features once in this debacle.

[@A_J0995]

My dad got free tickets for Joker 2 and i still feel like I wasted money seeing this film.

[@justforever96]

Never heard the A-10 called an "advanced attack aircraft" before. It was kind of throwback when it came out in the 1970s. It's still all manually controlled, doesn't even have a radar, its the last analog aircraft in the USAF inventory. The missiles it fires are more high tech than the aircraft.

[@judyhopps9380]

Lazerpig does an interesting video criticising it

[@Spizwackle]

10% of the video is dedicated to War Thunder.

[@RobotHead]

Ads support us when KZbin doesn't 👍

[@jay-ur1mj]

Better he gets the Bag than KZbin.

[@PiterburgCowboy]

At least WT is a fun and fully viable game. I mean he doesn't try to sell you out to loan sharks or sell you that gold/silver scam like many others.

[@DoodsUnited]

Very glad for sponsor block, this shilling is getting out of control. Now the videos of this guy are so short however that they're not often worth watching :D

[@vincestapels2022]

KZbin screws over anybody that calls out how demoralized Hollywood has become. He has to make money to make continue making vids--!!

[@justinkuemmerle2061]

Absolutely. Todd Phillips made a move about Arthur Fleck not Joker.

[@alejandrovillalba3143]

Thomas Wayne's stupidity in the first movie made me think that Bruce wasn't actually his son in this universe. The world's greatest detective can't be the son of someone that idiotic, can he?

[@JoeSyxpack]

I thought maybe the musical angle might be clever, the Joker character could imagine the world as his personal stage, but it turned out it was just filler to make the movie longer than the first one. Obviously there was no good idea behind this movie or the character, they just figured a sequel would make money no matter what.

[@vincestapels2022]

Robot Head, you're my favorite KZbinr that calls out how screwed our entertainment has become! Thank you ❤😊❤😊

[@RobotHead]

Thank you! I appreciate you watching 👍

[@g.griffith8217]

There is no indication that most of those are dream sequences in the trailer. And why did they tell us what actually happened when he broke into his neighbours apartment? The first movie was a masterpiece because it left us not knowing what happened. Plus the 1st movie was shocking in a good way when it was exposed that he had imagined the friendship with the neighbour. In joker 2 it was obvious all the music stuff was him dreaming. No surprises or the creepiness we got so much of in Joker 1. I’m going to erase this movie from my memory so that Joker 1 can remain my favourite movie ever.

[@Luciphell]

Todd Phillips joins Frank Herbert in the "I made a character intended for the audience to hate, so when they liked them I spitefully destroyed the character." They can both rot in hell.

[@UncensoredScion]

People have been rightly saying this is more of a Harley Quinn origin movie than a Joker movie. and I called it as soon as I learned that Gaga was the one portraying her.

[@letstalkaboutstuff6959]

Sir she is in the movie for like two minutes and did nothing 😂

[@UncensoredScion]

@@letstalkaboutstuff6959 you want me to prove I called it?

[@jamescaan870]

Finally someone who blames the right person for this debacle instead of blaming wb, Hollywood, gaga, woke, anyone but flopping Todd

[@x0nix]

i feel he shoudve started off in prison as the joker then during the movie regress back into arthur i also think its stupid how in the trailers its him saying that he wont let anyone keep him down then does nothing about it gets raped and gives up i understand thats how rape victims are its like having your soul stolen from you but the movie just feels like watching 2 hours of a mentally ill man getting abused by the system abused by guards and abused by someone he thinks loves him

[@AurumEtAes]

It’s a stretch to call this a comic book movie. Not only has the character got nothing to do with the Joker from the Batman source material, but we found out at end of this movie that he isn’t even actually the in-universe Joker of this narrative either. Calling the first movie Joker was just bait to get current cinema goers interested in seeing a project that was far far more interested in Taxi Driver etc than any Batman comics. This Arthur Fleck is just random some guy. The movie could have been called anything other than Joker and nothing important would be affected. The reference to the Wayne family was only there as window dressing to try to convince viewers that they were watching a Batman spinoff.

[@RandoCommando24]

Boy, Joaquin sure is killing it lately, what with this hot trash coming out so soon after that "Napoleon" abomination.

[@domasavpedzivin]

*It's seems that this one's inspired by :"New York, New York " , "One from the heart, "Girl , interrupted"*

[@Grigorii-j7z]

Harley was Joker's psychiatrist in original story. They can developed them both with Harley falling for him which would fully solidify his Joker persona. They even have a perfect avenue to introduce new doctor Harley after Joker kills his previous psychiatrist. UPD. Why Arthur became Joker? Because when he was a good man noone gave a fuck about him. In the final scenes when he danced on the car his desire for attention was fulfilled. So he's in asylum/prison awaiting trial. It takes months, city calmed down and people began to forget about him. His new psychiatrist tells him that during one of their sessions. Joker would be pissed and would start to look for an opportunity to remind everyone about himself. So he gives a spectacle at the court room with explosion in the end in which both Joker and Harley dissappear. There. The suitable progression for a character, clear goal and means to achieve it (Harley), new character for Joker to bounce of (Harley), suitable "ending". 200$ and several years to write Joker 2 instead.

[@MidnightIsolde]

I agree. This film is imo a lost opportunity to tell something like the Mad Love story

[@therealfakecaptain7978]

Jonkler Two : The Floppening

[@thatoneguychad420]

We need the Yiddler next

[@laytonspuzzle]

The Killing Joke's animated adaption had a Joker music number, and it was the best part of that whole thing.

[@snowpig0074]

I love when bad studios make bad movies and loss a ton of money. When I'm at my lowest I just think about Boarderlands and Joker 2.

[@chaosiscoming9184]

as a big Joker fanboy and my favourite character ever I HATED Joker 2. this was a big F U to me, the fan

[@RobotHead]

I feel for you

[@GabreyaB1990]

They shouldn’t have made a second film. The first film should’ve been left alone. And they shouldn’t have pissed the fans who loved and supported the first film and its director.

[@jkellyid]

This is a movie about how sorry Todd is he made the last film

[@CrazyChiv]

I didn't expect Dudley Moore's Arthur to turn up here. I actually spat my drink. That's a parody trailer that's begging to be made.

[@RobotHead]

Yeah, I'm going to cut aa longer trailer 😅👍

[@CrazyChiv]

@@RobotHead Sweet. I'll keep an eye out for it.

[@LTG22]

Gaga, or whatever her real name is, is not an actor, lol. Also, I would never take another actor seriously or a person who calls themselves a child name. Hollywood tries soooooo hard sometimes.

[@thatoneguychad420]

She was in the sopranos as a young kid, people think she came out if nowhere but she comes from a very privileged background. Surpise suprise ay?

[@LTG22]

@@thatoneguychad420 annd?

[@Mariannalivingston999]

Exactly she’s from a Freemason family and was always linked to elitism

[@billjacobs521]

@@thatoneguychad420 She also played at Carnegie Hall as a musician. But it's true she only really became famous by dressing like an idiot.

[@ADR69]

i honestly wonder if Disney could sue the director for purposely tanking this so hard

[@FreiGuy86]

What does Disney have to do with it?

[@tmclaug90]

Would have been a great twist if it turned out to be a movie about a personified Anteater that was dealing with mild and light hearted drama in his elementary school and loving home.

[@ThunderWarrior01]

The Arthur bit at the beginning and end nearly finished me off, freaking hilarious 🙌

[@finfrog3237]

All jokes aside, Gaga looks elderly in this movie.

[@Mariannalivingston999]

Totally agree, like an elderly man

[@billjacobs521]

She honestly always has, it's just been hard to notice because she was always caked in makeup and crazy outfits.

[@dark_fire_ice]

Just a correction; what Arthur experienced in the 1st movie weren't delusions, but full blown psychotic hallucinations. An example of a delusion would be if Arthur's neighbor kept blowing him off and he just says she's playing hard to get, but is still deeply in love with Arthur. Simple archetypes: Delusions = conspiracy theorist Hallucinations = haunting Psychosis = not fun

[@colorin81colorado]

May I suggest that since 2016 we seem to have taken the wrong road into Clown World? And as always RobotHead, your ideas for this and other movies are simply sooooo much better!

[@RobotHead]

Cheers, appreciate it 👍

[@jeremyusreevu237]

Love the reference to Arthur in the intro!

[@TomMcD71]

Even calling that drek Arthur is a insult to the 80s movie named Arthur but calling it Fleck instead I'd be okay with

[@turgonnaish]

The whole movie seems like projection from Todd.

[@ProfessorAlexSilver]

The first hour was watchable, but it completely fell apart thereafter. One of the most disappointing theater experiences I've had in a while, and I love musicals

[@legendsoffear1]

Joker 3 could still be possible....if they can convince everyone that the ending to Joker 2 was just a dream.

[@Horrormaster13]

Everyone now: Joker: Folie A Deux sucks Cool people in 5 years: Actually subversive and interesting, a worthy sequel Everyone in 10 years: It's a modern cult classic I wish it was a trilogy with the new Joker against Batman a total psycho. Why doesn't Hollywood make cool movies like this anymore?

[@billjacobs521]

Ah yes, just like The Last Jedi is...hated more than ever. Yeah, no, that's not how it works.

[@Horrormaster13]

@@billjacobs521 Oh yes? Yeah, let's pretend that movies like the Star Wars prequel trilogy or Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 3 which were panned by critics/fans when they came out, are now considered modern classics. That's exactly how it works.

[@Supreme-Emperor-Mittens]

There is only *ONE* Joker movie - and it's perfect, just the way it is. I will NOT be watching some other random movie, that claims to be about Joker. So as far as I'm concerned ... this so-called "Joker 2" movie, simply does not exist. Guys, learn to speak, with your wallet.

[@badfoot]

The Dark Knight?

[@jaipii1285]

It's official JOKERING TIME can't beat THROBBING TIME 😎

[@huszaratraktor]

4:28 David Bowie's dune portrait was a savage move

[@floridtv]

joker 2 is todd's way of bowing out so that wb has room for the batman and the penguin franchise. it's a legitimate way of deconstructing the character without destroying the comic book canon. fleck is the inspiration for the real joker and/or all others to follow. the movie is called 'joker' not 'the joker'. the joker is an idea, there will always be jokers