Tom Explains What Has Happened | Downton Abbey | Season 3

[@tonyjones2308]

"Well yes and no, that house was hideous" - that is a quote straight from the mind of my grandmother XD

[@littleraeofsunshine]

After learning more about Irish history at this time you realize that the character of Tom was 1. Very fortunate to escape alive 2. Broken to never get to return 3. Sucked up to a lot with his British relatives over the years

[@katemaloney4296]

Cora's American helped smooth things over.

[@kelseyblack2686]

and completely right in his viewpoints....forgot that one did you?

[@catmcc3464]

He would have been able to go back once the Free State was declared in 1921 and Ireland had their own government

[@pipoo1]

@@catmcc3464he might’ve done had Sybil survived but I think even by that point so much had changed in his life he didn’t see it as an option, indeed Robert even suggested it to him, and Tom dismissed it without hesitation.

[@bdub1863]

“We all live in a harsh world. But at least I know I do.” That’s when I fell in love with Tom.

[@blackswiftie2860]

*RIGHT?* hahaha... That's WHEN my love was Confirmed again!

[@VictorLepanto]

But not very realistic, the Earl of Grantham is supposed to be a veteran of the Boer War. A rough business I am certain, he hires his handicapped valet b/c of some perceived obligation as a fellow veteran of that war. Are we supposed to assume that he gained no insight into the harshness of this world from that experience? What is the bond which ties him to his valet? I've always wish they'd explored that issue. I find many dubious points in the development of this story. The Earl can't really be a stupid as he is made to seem in this story.

[@ReflectedMiles]

@@VictorLepanto I don't think there is any implication that the Earl doesn't understand the harshness of the world but simply that he despises the Irish tactics in adding to it, including the lack of responsibility and character the he finds in Tom in the matter, given the demonstration that Tom hates his enemies more than he loves his wife and child--patriotism being, as they say, the last refuge of scoundrels. I think the Earl's view is one that most of the civilized world could identify with, whatever sympathies there might be for Irish aims in self-governance.

[@hannahdyson7129]

@@VictorLepanto He did it out of gentleman honor I am guessing. He would not have been in the thick of it during the Boer War .

[@Decopainterandtea]

I thought it impertinent and snarky given what he just did leaving Sybill alone as he said, to fend for herself. I had the opposite reaction. I felt very disappointed and let down in Tom. Robert is trying to help him and this is how he acts.

[@Blue8spiral]

How could anyone not adore this show? It's just so great.

[@joanneevans9208]

Silversled sooooo why are you watching this video ??

[@markgullion1300]

Allen Leech's acting is incredible in this scene.

[@Nounismisation]

"We all live in a harsh world, but at least I have the smuggest line".

[@joanneevans9208]

Dowager: "well yes and no" haha awww i love the Dowager :-D xxx

[@Bluelazor]

Tom: These fancy houses & aristocrats are absolutely horrible & should be punished. Also Tom: *flees to a fancy house to seek shelter & for aristocrats to protect him* Don't get me wrong, that point in Irish history is terrible, but there is a lot of hypocrisy in his words and actions.

[@Bluelazor]

@ I think there was a bit of love, but it was mostly to get away from that lifestyle. I wasn't a fan of Tom either until after Sybil's death. He seemed to calm down & realize both sides have their value and should be listened to. Having to stay at Downton for so long after her death definitely helped his character a lot.

[@77Amnita]

@ He didn't bully Sybil into anything. By saying that, you're reducing the strong character that she was into a meek and feeble woman, which Sybil definitely wasn't. She had a mind of her own, and chose to marry Tom. Had Sybil not wanted to, she would have done as much.

[@glen7318]

@@77Amnita She was very keen for Tom to stay in Downton when they got back there. perhaps the charms of being a middle class wife were fading fast, after a year or so. She didn't want Tom to move to being a garage mechanic in a town somewhere....

[@brianlea2853]

@@Bluelazor 🤢🤮

[@bruh-lg6ch]

Wel this show is pretty pro-aristocracy, so it makes sense they’d write him that way

[@pogodziej]

Dowager was awesome. :)

[@gwynmorris5763]

Maggie Smith is just amazing in everything she does!

[@thetillerwiller4696]

Granny was so hilarious in this scene 😭

[@alonenjersey]

She was being herself. What more could a fan of this wonderful series ask for?

[@yannickdrmda5295]

"...but of course that is no excuse!" LMAO

[@creativehorsequeen]

Though Robert was rightfully angry, Tom and Sybil splitting up was probably the best decision. The police were looking for Tom, not Sybil, so she would have an easier time getting out of there. If they had gone together and been found, the police would not have been gentle with them, so there's a high probability Sybil could have been seriously hurt or even lost the baby.

[@sayres99]

Lets be clear here England was as guilty of savagery in this situation as the rebels if not more so. There restrictions on the Irish people in their own country no less and the harsh and cruel punitive actions that England took in response made the situation a hundred times worse. Parliament was unfairly biased against Ireland and with their poor stewardship of the country especially in regards to the response of the Potato Famine it was inevitable for this kind of thing to happen.

[@ReflectedMiles]

In other words, the rulers took actions befitting rulers. What a shocker.

[@Furienna]

It is not like burning castles would make anything better for Ireland though. This is more than seventy years after the potato famine too, so I don't see how any person still living in 1920 could be responsible for that.

[@cammiehalliday757]

@@Furienna It’s not about the potato famine though. The people living in those castles are the Anglo Irish a class of people who colonised Ireland and kicked the Catholics off their land. They are symbols of British Imperialism, something that by 1920 Ireland is very much trying to throw off. By fighting for independence from Britain.

[@Furienna]

@@cammiehalliday757 Firstly, somebody else, not me, talked about the potato famine. Secondly, it is not like those families in the 1920s could help what their ancestors did or that they lived in a castle.

[@cammiehalliday757]

@@Furienna In the 1920s the Anglo Irish are symbolic of British oppression they are not native Irish people. They were still holding up the system of British Imperialism and a stumbling block to Irish independence due to Protestantism and pro British stance.

[@rileybeckham]

The fact that an Englishman presumes to lecture an Irishman about savagery is hilarious to me.

[@Furienna]

Seriously, it is not like Robert can help what happened in Ireland.

[@andrewjones-productions]

@@Furienna Actually, not so. At least in part. As an Earl, he would at the time that he existed be entitled to a seat in the House of Lords. That would have given him not only a voice in that chamber, but access to the politicians of the day. He could also have mustered support amongst other peers. There is always something that one can do.

[@Furienna]

@@andrewjones-productions Except I would think that Robert just assumed that whoever was in charge over Ireland knew what they were doing. It is not like Robert was a political radical like Sybil and Tom.

[@glen7318]

@@Furienna A lot of people in parliament were shocked at the behaviour of the Black and Tans in Ireland... and while they thought that Ireland should remain part of the British empire they did not want British troops to be implicated in acts of savagery. But Tom didn't show up very well, getting involved in violent protest and then leaving Sybil behind to take the rap if she got caught.

[@CompelledUsername]

@@andrewjones-productions Yes, if Robert wasn’t an incompetent.

[@vanillaaudio185]

“We all live in a harsh world. At least I know I do” 📠

[@kimberlytyrcha5930]

That's a pretty smug thing for Tom to say to the man he's come running to for help.

[@gerardcollins6621]

With Drungole Castle I rather agree LOL XD

[@Happybidr]

Poor Tom, this only happens because the writer had to find a way to get Tom and Sybil to Downton permanently. He had to make it so he couldn’t go back to Ireland, ever. It showed how Tom had to face the realities of the worst side of the movement to have a free united Ireland. I understand why they despised the Brits, who treated them horribly. I’m just glad that Ireland and Britain are no longer fighting so people can live in peace there and pursue their own dreams and live in safety from terrorism and British police brutality. It’s pretty amazing how Ireland’s economy is doing so well now, thanks for technology and jobs sent over there, often from American companies. They had such a bad situation for their college graduates for so many years with few jobs for them. Knowing that area and Europe in general, I am SO VERY GLAD that my ancestors came over to the US to make their lives here.

[@amberanime]

Whats wrong with europe? I live there and it's a pretty good place to live in comparision to most other places in the world. US included if all the stuff I read/hear and see about what happens there are true... The US scares me to death.. I'm relieved I don't live there very frequently. Same with Russia or a country where religion is still a forced/pushed on you thing or any country where you don't have the same rights as a gay person compared to a straight person when it comes to merriage and having kids (or rights in general). Or any country where women are expected to be housewives/mothers. Nothing wrong with being either of those of course. There is something wrong with it being forced on you or pushed on you. Most places in the world suffer badly from at least one of these things. Where I live it's not perfect, but we have freedom in religion, freedom in sexuality and the same rights apply to all, women can persue whatever they want safely as well (Sadly that doesn't mean they all do, but that stems from a problem thats a problem across the whole planet, not just this place) and our healtcare is pretty decent. Also US has terrible gun control. One of the worst ones I've heard off in the world honestly... but hey to each their own I guess? If your happy where you are then thats good. Happyness is importand after all and where you live does play a part in that, so good on ya. Meanwhile I'm glad my parents changed their mind to move there before I was born. My mom stayed there for a few weeks, found it horrible, and returned here. A decision I'm gratefull for to this very day as well especialy when I hear her experiences there. So I guess perspective and one's point of view matter a great deal in this. Perhaps if our positions where swapped so would have been our opinions. or maybe we would still feel the same we do now. i find that interesting to think about.

[@hannahdyson7129]

This is no longer true , thanks to Brexit the peace, may not last .

[@andrewjones-productions]

@@amberanime Happybidr was referring to the Europe of that era and not of today. It was quite a different place at that time. If you live on the European continent you will know that. Naturally, it was different depending on the country, but much worse was ahead. Especially if you were Jewish, Romany, homosexual or were of a political persuasion that did not agree with the ideals of Lenin/Stalin, Franco, Mussolini and Hitler. Hell, even today, if you are unfortunate enough to be Belorussian and disagree with Lukashenko then you are not in a fortunate position. Just ask the Belorussian Olympic sprinter that has just left Japan as a defector to Poland.

[@glen7318]

he could have returned to Ireland after independence in 1923.. adn in any case Allen Leach presumably left the show for a season when Tom went to America...

[@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559]

Yeah, if only they didn't have a massive housing crisis in Ireland right now, with exorbitant rents and house prices driven up by foreign investors and a lack of regulation of the property market, meaning that accommodation is utterly unaffordable for increasing numbers of Irish people. It's also has a terrible healthcare system that successive governments have failed to fix and the cost of living is high by Western standards, so it's not quite as nice a place to live as you think!

[@gigglypuff3589]

I was so frustrated with Tom for being so irresponsible with his wife and those people- he has paid the price for his stupidity

[@viy4581]

2:13 ahh of course, good ol uncle Thomas enjoying the drama

[@Thecognoscenti_1]

(0:04-0:13) At least they didn't leave them inside.

[@chanaberlove8720]

i am not sure i would have blamed them, if you know anything about Irish-British History.

[@brianrodney5202]

Plaudits to Julian Fellowes for his fine script.

[@waverlyphillips2849]

Not Tom's greatest moment here. I love Lord Grantham's outbursts "GO TO BED!"

[@BeachBushandBeyond]

Maggie Smith 💗 I love her in this scene...hilarious

[@joanie3452]

Never liked Tom before he married Sybil.

[@pipoo1]

Even at this point Violet can’t hide her affection for Tom. He f***ed up and she’s there playing it down.

[@SafeSpaceInc]

He "taught" his pregnant wife Sybil, to "cover his tracks" so HE could escape. And in all of this, he never told Sybil the truth of who he was and his part in the planning of and participation in all of this. And then she (his pregnant wife), the innocent party in all of this, would be left behind, covering his tracks, and risk being arrested, so as to "not disappoint him".

[@libbydavis]

I kind of get where he was coming from. Personally I would never do it myself but here's my reasoning. If you where ever stuck in a situation where you might be sent down,away from your wife and your possible child,you would want to escape because you love them so much. He clearly felt the world for sybil and new that it would be unsafe for her to come in the dark,in a dangerous situation for a pregnant lady,so let her wait intill it was safe. It was obvious to any police that she did not do anything. Therefore, he did what was best for himself,his wife and possible child. However,he should have told her the full truth of what he was doing,but I see also why he did not. He(particularly)and she have very political minds,and sybil's father disagrees with his views,he thought that if he told her she would be furious and angry and create a divide. I believe that he was allowed to go,if he really wanted to,because of his views,but should have told sybil more of the truth,because we know,however hard the truth it's better to know it more than lies.

[@SafeSpaceInc]

@@libbydavis He didn't deserve Sybil.

[@libbydavis]

@@SafeSpaceInc 💯

[@kepecos]

Tom done fucked up here. The Crowleys had every right to be pissed off. I’m glad he learned from it.

[@SafeSpaceInc]

00:46 Cora: "You mean you gave them Sybil while you saved yourself?" Yes Cora, that's EXACTLY what he did. He threw Sybil and their unborn baby to the lions so he could escape.

[@barbaravick5634]

SafeSpaceInc Not hardly. The two of them had everything arranged far in advance.

[@Venslor]

@RobMacRay seeeeeeeeeeeeeeriously... the comments on this video seem to imply that Sybil was a delicate little flower that even the slightest breeze would blow over.... That was absolutely never how her character was portrayed.

[@Furienna]

Well, it is not like the police would arrest Sybil. She had never been involved in the burning of the castle, and she also was the daughter of an earl.

[@glen7318]

@@Furienna The situation in Ireland was very volatile and police and soldiers shot first and asked questions later. If Sybil was identifying iwth her husband's politics she would at least have been questioned...

[@SafeSpaceInc]

1:01 Tom: "I didn't say I wasn't there." Robert: "Why WERE you there?" Yeah, Tom. Why WERE you there?

[@dawnchristensen7492]

Go to bed!! hahaha

[@catherinereilly5833]

There fantastic characters and costumes amazing brilliant absolutely brilliant but u can see from Branson hes madly inlove with sybil pure love

[@Decopainterandtea]

Was he? At that point, he DID abandon Sybill, pregnant and alone in an unfamiliar place to fend for herself. The authorities could very well have detained her. Tom was selfish and cowardly in this instance. If it were me I could never have trusted him again. Not sure if I could have forgiven him either.

[@catherinereilly5833]

But he's so hot ....

[@glen7318]

@@catherinereilly5833 So that makes it all right for him to be cowardly and selfish?

[@catherinereilly5833]

Relax its just a programe

[@jobotmang]

Tom:'at least I do"

[@dlkm0309]

He looks like Niall Horan.

[@rachelelizabethschneider2974]

And he sounds like him too! That Irish accent, so lovely!

[@eshaanjoshi]

how observant!

[@charlesjenkins2090]

Look at this in another light: Robert is a Tory who sits in the House of Lords, who were actively supporting the Anglo-Irish aristocrats in their measures to suppress Irish independence measure by hook or by crook, and those aristocrats who had their house burned were most certainly actively politically involved in essentially overseeing death squads who not only destroyed the property of much less wealthy Irish but actively tortured and killed them. To lecture Tom about respect for property, savagery, or harshness is the height of hypocrisy.

[@Rhiaanon]

I love Tom but he was absolutely foul for leaving Sybil. He then runs to his in-laws that are part of the establishment he hates and they got him out of trouble. I laughed when Papa Crawley told him to go to bed!

[@lauraschoenborn3544]

I kind of wonder if this was a plan that he and Sybil created. He said they agreed to this. This moment is probably what helped him grow.

[@creativehorsequeen]

Tom and Sybil splitting up was probably the best decision. The police were looking for Tom, not Sybil, so she would have an easier time getting out of there undetected. If they had gone together and been found, the police would not have been gentle with them, so there's a high probability Sybil could have been seriously hurt or even lost the baby.

[@elisabonetti408]

@@creativehorsequeenExactly!

[@cystslayer587]

Good to see umbridge in something else than pink 🤣

[@SafeSpaceInc]

2:49 Tom really "planned this out" with Sybil, didn't he?

[@SafeSpaceInc]

1:55 They're all realizing with horror the piece o' work that Sybil married.

[@barbaravick5634]

Not 'the police is looking for Tom'. But, 'the police are looking for Tom'. Sorry, but that was a major boo boo.

[@jpaxonreyes]

It can be either. If the speaker is referring to "the police" as a singular entity, than "is" is correct. For example, "the police [department] is corrupt".

[@BS-qg1zq]

Tom didn’t do any think wrong

[@SafeSpaceInc]

1:55 Robert is spot on here.

[@SafeSpaceInc]

1:48 There is no "we" agreed anything here, Tom. You had Sybil brainwashed, and YOU decided that. Later when you said to Sybil "Don't disappoint me" AFTER to horrors that you put her through speaks volumes about what the "protocol" was for Sybil. And that was, as you said, to NOT "disappoint" you. She would've done ANYTHING for you, including jumped off a bridge for you, and you KNEW that. There was no "we" decision. It was YOU who decided this.

[@brianlea2853]

“Free state”? 🤨 🇮🇪

[@jacobkrausch]

Not one of tom’s greatest moments

[@SafeSpaceInc]

1:25 What about SYBIL and the BABY Tom??? Where's you're compassion and concern for THEM???

[@SafeSpaceInc]

Tom threw pregnant Sybil to the lions to save his own self and rannnnnnnn, leaving her, and getting the last boat. Robert is right. Tom abandoned a pregnant woman --> Sybil.

[@SafeSpaceInc]

1:34 No, you're not sorry, Tom.

[@Liam-tp7td]

first of all, chill lol its a piece of fiction. second of all, you cannot deny tom is absolutely sorry and genuinely loves sybil. and lastly, characters with no flaws make for bad writing.

[@elenthora442]

This business was Tom's saving from political nonsense, it lead him to know true grace and charity

[@kevinnthesad9574]

GO TO BED lol

[@Cik_Siput.Luar_Biasa]

Is like a dad mad at his son 😅 and Tom eventually became the son of Lord Grantham never have.

[@SafeSpaceInc]

1:06 Tom never answers this question. He uses "diversionary tactics instead". Treacherous, conniving letch.

[@stellamanurung519]

Tom is a selfish man

[@atlroxmysox98]

Oof this reeks of Julian Fellowes’ conservative monarchist politics

[@Iisdabest889]

You say that like it's a bad thing.

[@hannahdyson7129]

@@Iisdabest889 Something that has never benefited the average British person

[@Stonytude]

@@Iisdabest889 it's terrible

[@wynty200]

@@Iisdabest889 It is.

[@SafeSpaceInc]

2:56 Tom's "virtue signaling" here is nauseating.

[@23Revan84]

I know and Tom decided to abandon her in it, a pregnant woman. Tom needs to wake up from his own bullshit.

[@SafeSpaceInc]

@@23Revan84 Exactly.

[@pipoo1]

Do you know what the authorities in Ireland would have done to Tom at this period in time? There'd have been no trial, he'd have been taken, beaten tortured and found dead in his cell before he ever saw a courtroom. The British track record in Ireland was appalling and it resulted in the radicalisation of young men like Tom. Thank God they eventually broke free from us. Anyway Tom did learn to this and his eventual embracement of American style capitalism coupled with his anti establishment views would've eventually led to him being one of the early architects of what became neoliberalism ideology in the UK. Tom would've been a Thatcherite.