Total War Warhammer Might Be The BEST Selling Warhammer Video Game Seires & Why 40K SHOULD Be Next

[@TheGreatBookofGrudges]

Late post sorry lads been swamped with Xmas stuff! Thankfully got a bunch of stuff recorded though so we should be back to daily content as from today! Hope you've all had a good Christmas and for those of you who's families celebrate up to Three Kings day.... Yeah I feel you lol

[@bandinem]

They just need to release DawnofWar 1 remaster with the OG dismemberment blood and gore give it a TotalWar campaign map and break the bank.

[@Fatalitix3]

I just hope Warhammer 40k is a loooong way from here, I don't want to feel that they left TW:W3 unfinished

[@tenaciousgamer6892]

40k also IMO wouldn't work as well in the current way total war works. I know I wouldn't be buying it, couldn't give two cows about that franchise even if people are obsessed with roided out space marines.

[@willfeen]

right now WH3 doesn’t have a sustainable level of quality, to act as a holdover in place of TW:40k. They would need to hire more AAA animators like Eva Seyoux who were working on WH2 in its heyday. This tells me they are working on 40k instead. It seems like pulling teeth to get CA to make a AAA-level investment back into TW:WH. It feels like it’s waning

[@jamesespinosa690]

@@tenaciousgamer6892 I think it could work quite well theoretically. Practically, they don't have the talent, inspiration or will power as far as I can see. The slow release pace and rather lack lustre content doesn't really demonstrate a great level of competence. The real challenge would be in figuring out how to present the campaign map. Base on my experience playing Gothic BattleFleet and Stellaris, I've got to say, playing space based strategy games where the background of the campaign map is mostly a black space and or bright glowing lights is not the most entertaining experience. Even with all the warp stuff.

[@parttimehero8640]

At least open the areas of Ind and Khuresh... Would be a giant failure if this region keep being weird blobs of uninhabited territory

[@juanignacioayalarico9410]

My opinion is that with Ind complete, Dogs of War, the Khuresh race (sp?) and Nippon, WH3 would be really close to be an "ended" game...

[@Lothi66]

I think that rogue trader is terribly underrated. This game completely devoured me. I don't remember when I had a similar situation, but it was definitely many years ago. I liked it even more than BG3. I really hope they don't let her die.

[@TheOneBearded]

I've heard this could be inaccurate. Not only is it missing Space Marine 2's data, but Rogue Trader sold 500k at release. It's bound to be higher a year later.

[@draconicusmathiusanytherio7630]

True, space marine 2 probably outsold this I would think, or at least would be pretty close to

[@TheOneBearded]

@@draconicusmathiusanytherio7630 Not probably. It did, near release. I recall seeing a 4-5M copies sold announcement.

[@lightbringer1237]

Because its old data, from what i heard about a month ago or so, so it makes sense.

[@noneofyourbusiness7965]

Rogue Trader is awesome.

[@TheOrdomalleus666]

I'm very happy with it as well.

[@andarara-c1p]

I hope there is more of TWW3, really. Would wish to see Ind and Khuresh one day (even if it is just as units for Monkey King, for example) or at least Dogs of War and the world opened before moving on

[@HamlettheOmelette]

Ideally we keep getting DLC race packs and lord/character packs for many more years to come. I wouldn’t be surpsurprised if they stop within two years, but imo they’d win a lot of goodwill if they’d run both warhammer franchises simultaneously and support fantasy for another 4-5 years, maybe even give us expansion packs once there are no more races or units to sell

[@andarara-c1p]

@HamlettheOmelette I agree. That would restore a lot of faith in CA

[@MrLolguy93]

I just hope they add never before seen factions into TW Warhammer, before they focus on 40k. Something of a Grand Finale. Think Snake Men of Khuresh, Ind, Araby, Nippon, as well as missing units and Legendary Lords for the factions.

[@sagittariusa9012]

It also depends on GW.

[@draconicusmathiusanytherio7630]

I def want snake men, so I can have giant sand worms eating people

[@AwesomeLionSaurus]

Unlikely, but dang do I want it. I want ALL OF IT!

[@duckheadbob]

​@sagittariusa9012 it like solely depends on GW honestly. My (our) hope is that ind and kuresh launch on TT in the old world and coincide with a race release on the virtual fantasy table top of total warhammer 3

[@rogerwaters3776]

Complete copium, they won't add anything beyond maybe DoW

[@TheRadude]

Before the series ends I really think they should open up Ind and Khuresh territory before adding those races.

[@CommanderBohn]

It could sell even more if they added Dogs of War + Southern Realms, Ind, Khuresh, Nippon and minor race packs to enrich your experience (minor races like Halflings, Norse Dwarfs, Amazons, Beastfiends and so on...).

[@jamesespinosa690]

You are 100% correct. Warhammer lives because of how much depth the universe has. They need to double down on it.

[@AAS1-kp9cs]

Glad total war Warhammer is doing well - have played the heck out of that. Really hope more people give Rogue Trader a try though. It’s a fantastic game as well and not well enough known.

[@TacticalBeard]

Real talk rogue trader is pretty great

[@derpherp7432]

this data seems very innacurate, the space marine 2 one in particular which had 5+ million sales

[@joesoso9656]

It's Space Marine 1 on the chart, not the recent sequel. Nathan speculates, later on in the video, that it'd probably be second in the list if it was included.

[@marcbartuschka6372]

I am not so sure about the sucess of 40.000, since we have to remember that the people wo play Warhammer Total War are not just Warhammer tabletop-fans (or RPG). They are a significant part of the community no doubt, but we have also a lot of "traditional" Total War players, who were not that much Warhammer fans before. It is by no mean secured that they will warm up to 40.000 (some may think two big titles with similar optics and factions so fast after each other may not that innovative), and the Warhammer fans will have huge expectations which I am not sure the game will be able to satisfy (for example how you handle the whole planet-situation, did you include spacebattles or not which may be even more difficult to made than sea battles which Total War abandoned years ago). So for a great part of traditional Total War fans a Medival III or Empire II may be a better option which could generate a lot of income. How much Warhammer 40.000 may cost in licence I could not imagine but it might be much more than for a historical title, too (although maybe not so much less than LotR). And as many I would like to see Warhammer 3 be supported a little bit longer than just until end 2025 or early 2026 to include Ind, Nippon, Neferata...

[@patrikules1937]

I never had any interest in anything Warhammer and had never played a Total War game before I randomly saw TWWH1 in a Steam advertisement. I love RTS and TBS games and am a huge fantasy and space nerd so I gave it a try... Now I have over 4000 hours of played time through all the TWWH games, over two dozen audio and paperback books of fantasy WH, and almost every single WH game that's on Steam... To say that brief ad hooked me would be an understatement.

[@jonasfull]

i do hope they continue adding content to warhammer 3 until like 2028

[@rogerwaters3776]

2026 is even unlikely, next year will probably be the final one

[@HiddenEvilStudios]

In other equally shocking and unprecedented news: Water still wet, more at 11:00.

[@rhagos5562]

If they release 40k total war I don't want them to cut support for total war warhammer

[@davidjankraayveld7784]

Bring us fans Ind, Khuresh and Nippon DLC s and CA can keep the lights burning for a long time 😉😁

[@damianstuart9563]

I agree with Nathan. Guiliman's battle with Ferus Manus will be epic. It will be the first appearance of the undead in the universe, because Ferus died ten thousand years ago.

[@CS-Kano]

Ultramarines vs Ferus Manus the Headless and the Legion of the Damned would be peak

[@greyTigerGames]

I don't want to see a new title that might take resources away from the Warhammer 3 dlc team for several years. There is so much more to be done before they move on.

[@dendrien]

Profit comes first and 40k is unfortunately become mainstream thanks to Disney ruination of SW. 40k likely will be the next franchise getting the Disney treatment

[@SiodogRehane]

The comparison as "best selling" makes no sense is like comparing metal gear saga sales to red dead redemption 2. TW is a trilogy with tons of dlc while others don't they even have just one title or no content. CA knew how to exploit it money wise with content and dlcs

[@1995antimage]

Yes but fantasy is also in a disadvantage vs 40k

[@Le-cp9tr]

CA should be able to throw around their weight a bit more when it comes to creating new races like Ind, Nippon or Khuresh. Half a billion USD is insane for one series

[@robbarber7455]

Sure, if they hadn’t set it on fire with Hyenas

[@dendrien]

You’d be suprised how common quality and creativity stagnates or demising when a company is overwhelming profitable. Case in point Disney and most gaming studios who racks ungodly amount of money.

[@euychua]

I still believe whenever 40k comes out, the fantasy trilogy will get the Rome 2 treatment, where yes they won’t be the main focus but the team can work on some extra dlc as testing grounds for 40k (Khuresh dlc with snake animations for fulgrim and the drukhari archon, Ind giant beasts rerigged for squiggoths) or refine how the deamons work between the 2 games

[@alzarinsardek3669]

In general I am just much more interested in the Fantasy setting as a Total War game at least. I am probably in the minority in that but still I definitely want to get as much content as possible in this setting. Hopefully they realize a way for us to keep getting new stuff for a good while yet even while they do 40k and we get pretty much everything that can reasonably be expected.

[@bobbobberson3383]

I hope your right that they would be willing to do fantasy side by side with 40k. But I imagine they don’t want to risk the two customer bases cannibalizing each other. I think there’s enough content for one more fantasy warhammer. Maybe not a true warhammer 4, but a mega old world that’s got plenty of breathing room. Also while the 40k fanbase is much bigger than fantasy, I don’t know if it’s as good of a fit as fantasy is to total war. The sales may end up closer to each other than one might think.

[@giganticbrittle]

GW ticker symbol is GMWKF It's on the "Footsie" FTSE 100 London: Current 5.54B (USD) Valuation

[@Millman48]

Warhammer 40k will be an absolute nightmare if they don't use a new engine.

[@Henskelion]

I assume it would play like something in between TW and a Eugen game.

[@kadenmiller-p8l]

just so your aware Commisar Yarik is unknown to be alive or dead he's just suspected to be dead.

[@koddaszol]

Fantasy: "Hey you know what's better than one pile of money?" 40K: "TWO piles of money!"

[@MichaelThomas-p6q]

I am still hoping for historical

[@ShidaiTaino]

Creative Assembly and Games Workshop: It just prints money

[@constantinechase9382]

Hopefully they take their time on 40K, which will simultaneously allow them to have an incredibly launch and will allow for a lot more DLC for TWW3. Win-win.

[@TheChremix]

I wish they were faster with DLCs I liked it the way it was 2 having to wait for over half a year is really frustrating

[@mateuszdomagaa6436]

Personalny i dont see wh40k on total war form. Like how you put province system in entire Galaxy?

[@parttimehero8640]

Rome 2 received DLC very late into its lifetime and I hope to get some suprise DLC for Warhammer 3 even after active development

[@fedakyn1583]

Yea honestly i think total war 40K is holiday 2026 and thats the ends of the fantasy timeline. I've been thinking a bit, but my assumptions right now are Slanesh dlc this spring, dogs of war holiday, end times the next spring then 40K the next holiday season. Something like slanesh/high elves/vampires(neferata) with flc slanesh lord, summer flc tzeenth lord, winter 3 lord dogs of war release, "legends/end times" with thanquil/nagash/monkey king with a cathay flc and faction reworks, then 40 k. I've always pined for a Bretonia dlc, for Norsca to get something, but honestly they are not big enough and i think their just going to hit the big factions that can sell and move on.

[@BTML498]

I've bought every TW game since Medieval II, excluding the Saga games. I've got hundreds of hours across the Warhammer TW games in particular. Those things said, I'm not interested at all in a 40K TW. I'd rather they try and work Age of Sigmar into a TW game, or just jump to Lord of the Rings instead.

[@dawidwojacki5049]

They need to make Ind and Khuresh expansions first, not to mention there are 6 Cathayan dragons left to add. If they abandon this game I'll get mad at them

[@curtisbrown547]

Gotta say, is it a surprise that the best selling Warhammer game is one that focuses on the wars?

[@YashaSkaven]

lol they'd have to make a new engine for TW40k they could NOT get away with how wonky everything is nowadays lol

[@SilentSpringzzz]

I just really want Warhammer 4 with a new engine… knowing its stuck on this old system and 40k ofc a game in a better engine. I love 3 but yea i would love to see what a more stable angine or whatever could do.

[@Chtigga]

I disagree, the next Total War shoud be an Historical one instead of 40k. Total War is not just all about fantasy/sci-fi + Warhammer III still needs a lot of content before feeling complete.

[@toomanyinterests2271]

Everything might seem rosey at CA but I doubt is after everything that happened last year and the fact they have only released 2 dlc this year gor their money maker they won't be aiming for anything that is a surefire hit. Though a historical sounds like a safe bet there are still factors such as dlc potential and potential life span of said game. If CA was still sitting pretty a historical, TWWH3 dlc and dev for a 40K Total War would be possible but with multiple rounds of layoffs currently I doubt CA has the manpower. Remember they are still long overdue for replacing their current engine. Spaghetti code isn't going to hold up for much longer. I do however wish they would make a historical for that fan base it just doesn't seem likely right now.

[@Dark40061]

Did news came out for next total war game yet? Or did get cancel? Or are we still in the dark?

[@gsauwce5488]

Spacemarine 2 is probably right up there with the Dawn of War series if not just below it

[@Meekoid]

I know you were just saying random ass primarch names but “Guilliman vs Ferrus Manus” just sounds so wrong on so many levels lol

[@adrienwarad]

i wish that manower continue, but at least maelstrom will ! :o

[@eomat]

Before CA move onto Ind, Kuresh and so on we need to get the established races to a completed level with Lords and so on. Ludwig Schwarzhelm, Kurt Helborg, Dogs of War, Cult of Ulric and so on.

[@ladybug2579]

Just need CA giving green light for Nippon. I would be buying it Day one. Well as if i dont buy it day one anyway XD.

[@joema48]

Not really a high mark sicne gw just gives its license to anyone who is wiliing to pay

[@jonasfull]

then why cant they give Ind and Khuresh rights like they did with cathay :c

[@captainbomigaming9298]

So if they made a 40k space marine game, two infact, why not make a 40k chaos space marine game? That could potentially sell a lot. Most of these games lack content. Total war has and sells a lot of dlc. I dont play elves, but i have their dlc. People enjoy whatever game they want to enjoy, but even i find the repetitivess a bit boring at times. That's just me.

[@ghost101049]

CA is not ready for 40k just yet. Really they need a better engine with more destruction. I would rather they remake napoleon total war or World War 1. We still need dogs of war and other factions like kuresh.

[@djpowell9148]

Good so they have enough money to bring Ind and khuresh!

[@阿原-z1j]

我注意到SM沒有寫系列 是不是沒計入2代

[@wendigo7176]

CA Sophia SHOULD support Warhammer 3 till end of 2026 and the rest of chaps should work on 40K, no other games till Sophia is done done

[@charleswinters9567]

I take it this excludes Space Marine 2?

[@Vandreren83]

Revenue.

[@widdershins5383]

And for good reason, the total war series has always been good, but it fits the Warhammer setting so gawddamn well I’d swear the company was made just to make Warhammer games lol it just took them this long to get rights to the name hahahaha

[@jonasfull]

Id rather they added Ind or Khuresh than move onto 40k. Games Workshop please! I hate Sci Fi

[@onisparda2546]

Where are my "Mechanicus" Tech Boys at??!!

[@FluteGnome]

Where Realm of Ruin?

[@johnsoncj]

An FYI ftse pronounced like "footsie"

[@EPGelion]

I know I'm not the only one, but sure feels like it: Total War Age of Sigmar would be amazing and do more for the IP than TW40k.

[@Vikingskog]

Do you think there's any realistic chance they'll do a Age of Sigmar total war? Maybe after 40K?

[@anvos658]

Well of course Warhammer is successful its the closest we can get to a digital version of the table top and at a better price point than the minis.

[@spiffygonzales5160]

And yet all the people were insisting CA was totally gonna go kaput if people continued boycotting.

[@Shimatzu95]

Warhammer 40k: i sleep Ind & Kuresh: real shit

[@Mirkomir_Blobszczonowicz]

I would love to see the differences between Dawn of war 1, 2 and 3 for revenue and downloaded copies, as second and especially thrid game were crap (BTW I have Dawn of War 1 on Cds, so how many sells were made actually and what revenue was made?). Also in case WH40K:TW - For the Greater Good! But please... not with plot from Gladius...

[@milanp5159]

This channel is like a tabloid, only speculations xD

[@PNarbz123]

Gotta try pay rent.

[@draconicusmathiusanytherio7630]

Id say this is more likely number 2 with space marine 2 being top

[@阿原-z1j]

總是有人杞憂奇幻系列被放棄 拜託 GW都為了奇幻設計出舊世界系列 來幫全戰續命了 為什麼都會有這種擔憂

[@1995antimage]

Lord of the rings would be so much better :(

[@Pandarian300]

nope

[@ladybug2579]

can it defeat the amount of faction warhammer have?. that the problem. if it like EA conquest sure that would be the best LOTR.

[@SuperbiaNox]

Don't be silly. CA are struggling with Warhammer Fantasy, there is no way they will be able to cope with 40K's super demanding fanbase. They need to just go out of business after Warhammer 3.

[@revanlord05]

40k:TW won't happen. TW Gameplay and Sci-fi simply doesn't mix.

[@patrikules1937]

You might be right, but take a look at 'Star Wars: Empire at War'. That game came out like 20 years ago and could definitely be a sort of framework that would allow TW mechanics added to fit and work with 40k. It wouldn't be perfect, but let's be honest, nothing will be perfect for the hc 40k fans lol

[@ruas4721]

40k shouldnt be next, because it will suck balls. Its not doable with the total war format. And if they throw the whole concept away, it will not be total war anymore. Its a situation in which we will always lose something. If we get a lorefull 40k game, we lose Total War, if we get Total War we lose a good 40k game. And if its focus on modern 40k lore, it will suck most likely anyway.

[@Henskelion]

They'd probably just make gameplay work something like a mix between TW and a Eugen game. They'll also just keep the TW title just for brand recognition. I don't really see an issue with it.

[@leonidas231]

Even more reason to make a Total War 40k