Tour de France 2023 Stage 16 - IS IT ALL OVER? I Watched the ENTIRE Stage So You Won’t Have To

[@Outsideville]

How about that team having multiple riders miss their slot and multiple crashes on the first turn? Fellas party too much on the rest day?

[@worstretirementever]

Yeah the audio was bad when I recorded the mishap of the day. My mishap bear theirs

[@HvilFred]

Bad course layout that was then corrected by the ASO and perhaps some tires that were on the slick side.

[@dennisns112]

Our danish commentators also mentioned that that team was testing new crafted carbon wheels, which supposedly is more stiff, which combined with the tire being slick and the route literally being over the line, cause the crashes.

[@puzdutz]

I liked that after finishing 3rd Wout described himself as “best of the normal people.” Don’t think anyone would call him normal.

[@theupperechelon7634]

Vingegaard spent his rest day (re-)learning the corners on the TT. See him descend again and note how perfect it was. And he rode it in April already. Even out of the the first corner Vingegaard had already gained more than a second.

[@AntonioGGATX]

I’m glad someone else noticed that. The corners made a difference.

[@kheser9762]

I like the "should they or should they not" bike change cause it gives us some tactics to talk about for hours waiting for the last two riders.

[@hieroraven]

I clicked on your rest day post yesterday because of your over-the-top headline! Good job, dude! Loved it! I had to laugh - good one!

[@paulteed1875]

Thanks Phil! As always your take is the most entertaining and informative! And your doggo is adorable!

[@AlanJames]

They said on the GCN/Euro broadcast today that the white hat spectator handed herself in at a police station and got a €1 fine. She must've felt awful.

[@ivimas_]

Since I watched it live I have to admit I was doing 15 minute naps until Wout's ride. Dude has a legendary drool face when he turns himself inside out.

[@HvilFred]

Tour naps are the best.

[@cjelvado]

I agree on having a long, flat TT. I also miss the Prologue.

[@TheoreticallyNo]

Amen to no bike changes in an ITT. Watching a TT live is a good experience. Worth it.

[@jimyoung1252]

Perhaps mirroring this short stage with all the good stuff packed at the back, the last minute of Phil's commentary today is (really hilarious and) the best.

[@jaybobd]

Totally agree about Team TTs. They mostly reward the big budget powerhouse teams.

[@georgehugh3455]

We like the TTT's - truly impressive teamwork...since it is a "team sport."

[@jaybobd]

@@georgehugh3455 It's definitely fun to watch but it makes the overall Tour less interesting because the leaders of the big budget teams are guaranteed to gain time on their rivals.

[@georgehugh3455]

@@jaybobd I agree that's a potential downside, but some of that could be minimized by making it a little longer than a Prologue, or possibly incorporating some climbing. Do we really think big budget, super-athletic teams are NOT gaining an advantage having 7 strong horses out in front over _the other 20 days?_ The teams that go Top 5, even Top 10 in the TdF are almost always "Big Budget," and you'd be surprised how the top team in the TTT changes amongst them.

[@dylangrantz8124]

Well not really. Team time trials are a simple fix dump the tt bike out of it. Hell dumping the tt bike all together would be a good move. That would even things up. If you dump the the tt bike and not design the tt for climbers like this years crap it would do wonders keeping the standings close. The real problem is it is bad TV. It is great for the fans on the ground but boring at home

[@rg807]

I just watched the Southwick Pro motocross. 93° on a sand track. The best part, guys pulling their helmets off with drool pouring out of their mouths, as they desperately reach for water. The best part of the TT today? Dudes rolling in, maximum effort, drool pouring out of their mouths, reaching for water, stat. It's the ALL OUT effort that's so great to watch.

[@outtatrex]

Now we all know why Vingo did not bother to attack Pogy 2 days ago. Also, Pogy made a mistake changing bikes, that cost him some time,.. Pogy was saying it was not over yet, and that tomorrow, he expects some spectacle, especially when it rains. I hope he does a backflip on his bike, that would be fun. Anyway, spoiler... IT IS OVER.

[@joerenner8334]

It is. But we all love Pog's swagger. Jonas is boring af. But a stud on the bike.

[@toddyaso]

Thanks Phil. I already felt like boycotting the TT because there's nothing for TT riders like Ganna on this particular course.

[@MasterNinjaB52]

Didn't see any comments on the cute doggo so here it is! You know that the dog is so comfy that he fell asleep while Phil was talking about the tour. Dog probably thinks, here's my lullaby!😅

[@AntonioGGATX]

Thing has a Pavlovian response: “ITT = nap time”

[@RocketRuss]

I second your sentiments on "bike changes" during time trials. It's bullshit. If a rider can't ride his/her TT bike uphill, then they're prolly not going to be a contender. Bike changes at the bottom of the final climb are bullshit.

[@jtfisher7429]

Can’t remember a grand tour ITT of that relatively short distance being won by such a large time gap to #2, can anyone? Maybe back in the LA days?

[@MrShawn10100]

I heard Chris Horner on the coverage today. Not sure when he made it back into the NBC main coverage.

[@johnryal]

Guy in the white hat is like Bartman was for baseball. He’s just the one who happened to make contact.

[@theupperechelon7634]

Doggo comments were spot on. Very knowledgeable.

[@dcasandman]

I love watching the TT. It’s my fav.

[@worstretirementever]

Serial killer

[@dcasandman]

@@worstretirementever maybe, always liked the all out war against pain. Of coarse like you said some of these guys are just finishing. The slobber down your face falling over at the end is awesome.

[@LarsRyeJeppesen]

​@@worstretirementeverme too

[@Cnith]

The commentators also said that Pogacar suffers a good bit more in hot and humid weather than Vingegaard, which also played a fairly big part. I was dumbfounded by Jonas' performance. Made me think of the days of doping, with that kind of performance, but on the other hand, even though Pogacar and Vingegaard were extremely fast over all, they weren't the fastest on the last climb, which shows some "humanity".

[@Loessing]

I really hope none of the top two are doping

[@Cnith]

@@Loessing Same. It'd be the final nail in the coffin for watching bike racing for me, after already taking many year long breaks between the periods of doped up muppets earlier and then giving it another chance in the hopes that things got better.

[@BrewsGamesRides]

The real MVP of today is the pup!!! 🐶

[@VeeVeeArcher]

What kind of boost in bike sales does Cervelo see after being the fastest on the TT course, and used by the yellow jersey winner?

[@VeeVeeArcher]

Does the bike manufacturer and other sponsors pay more, bonuses, if the team does win stages/jerseys etc.. ?

[@andrewstringer5836]

Haha! Nice Colnago dig! You trying to get a free trip to Italy to hang with Ernesto a la Boonen?

[@jakebailey146]

Phil, I love the Tour and I love cycling and I spend lots of time training and enjoying the sport. But today was super off-putting to me. I know you are committed to riding clean. Can you tell me honestly that these power numbers are achievable by a clean rider? If so, I will believe you and keep enjoying the tour, but right now I am not sure I can.

[@bsiemers]

Yeah, it was tough to watch from that standpoint. Jonas was nearly 10% better than 3rd place. It's tough to imagine that being a natural result.

[@matttilley8620]

I don't know how big betting on cycling is, but when I see a spectator that caused a crash, my mind goes to the races. It would be very easy to pay someone off to "accidentally" cause a crash.

[@alankpike]

Jonas road that bike like he stole it, those downhills, I could barely watch. He looked imperious out of the gate.

[@SenorSiesta]

Nothing to do with this video (loved your take on the TT) but wanted to share anyway. Reading your book Pro Cycling on $10 a day now. Just getting into it and already it’s one of my all time favorite reads. The be careful with nails analogy a metaphor about living honestly is so true.

[@worstretirementever]

Thank you!

[@jjashik7]

The shortage of armrests was a good one! 😂

[@ACanette]

You are very outspoken about doping in general, did you find this performance, putting a fresh cancellara to dust, normal?

[@hernanhernandez3861]

This was great....

[@Henry4ever]

Sour grapes aplenty! Jonas 8s 8n Beast Mode ! He warblned yah all ...3rd week is beast mode! Fifo...fit in or ¥€¢£ of

[@gerfgerable]

Brilliant

[@maxredburn6610]

No talk about when Tadej creamed Primoz on the ITT....

[@davidli3582]

Pretty sure Landis was doing the modern TT position back in 2006, probably even before then.

[@gerritlikestohike]

Hey Phil, thanks for all the great content, really enjoying your channel. One question from my girlfriend: is you voice pitched? She pretends that you are talking faster than normal in your videos...

[@worstretirementever]

No I’m not messing with the speeds at all. I try to take out the gaps more than normal since I’m also uploading as audio podcast. That’s probably why it sounds different

[@joehopfield]

Landis was early adopter of higher tt arm rest position

[@alainbreillatt1359]

Phil what’s your take on Tadej not being in full form given he wasn’t racing from April 23 until June 25 with the fractured wrist recovery. Is it fair to say that he’s going to struggle because you can’t make up that lost time whereas Jonas had a full racing schedule including the Dauphiné?

[@LarsRyeJeppesen]

He looked like he suffered in the heat

[@bobfoster687]

I seem to remember that GCN said aero bars saved 41 watts!

[@CFCMahomet]

Given your stance and feelings are extraterrestrials performances, I wonder how do you feel about one that just seems too good in the third week of the Tour?

[@worstretirementever]

I really think that equipment can account for a lot of the margin today. It would be another thing if he was dominating Pogi on the climbs as well. In general I need a little more than a good win to be suspicious. If he wins the sprint on the Champs Elysees for example...then I call bullshit

[@onhi1]

Equipment yes, but in terms of aerodynamics Jonas just seemed to maintain a far better body position including staying seated the entire race, while Pogi after swapping bikes was facing much more air. I think JV with Jonas invested more effort optimising the position and having Jonas train in it.

[@CFCMahomet]

I do think that Jonas was going to win today, because Jumbo is so meticulous and detailed in this discipline. But the ride went into “too good” for me. I got that Texan and German on a bridge feeling.

[@saml5284]

@@worstretirementever I mean this is Landis level disproportionate performance, I'm sorry. How does he get dropped a couple times by Pog and then do this, it's just not believable. This is beyond my ability to suspend my disbelief.

[@ryanphelan6861]

@@worstretirementever all it took was one climb on cobbles on muur to levy some heavy accusations against a rouleur and 4 time ITT 2 time olympic ITT champ. He took 3:00 on 30:00 and its bad day coolnago :) I understand why but its problematic. Good luck enjoy

[@sdmike1141]

CREATURE RULES!

[@nancykalinowski7354]

Dang I love your doggie

[@alex9046]

Ganna lost to Remco in a similar ITT. It's short kings reign in time trials now

[@BlueJayGer]

Hopefully a super early froome giro winning type move tomorrow

[@LarsRyeJeppesen]

Landis move lol

[@danreynolds1142]

Been meaning to ask do you have names for your legs? Ill tell you mine if you tell me yours.

[@Solarsystem50]

Last night I had a 6-pack of iced cold Soudals, and a 8oz bag of Arkeas. Delicious.

[@cincydooley]

Lol. Watch if you like watching drool dangle from dudes’ chins. Amazing.

[@chrisstrider]

Creature enjoyed it

[@imightbebiased9311]

Thoughts on letting the riders just DNF the time trial and get whatever the slowest guy put down +45 seconds? That way you can have a longer TT, but without making it a broadcast monstrosity?

[@AntonioGGATX]

They should all do it, but they should declare whether they’re going for it or not, group them that way and only broadcast the fast guys and the GC (in those case one and the same). I don’t watch it live anyway so I watch the first few start, then forward to Küng, Cavagna, WVA and the top 10. Only if I have it going in the garage while I’m working on something do I not forward.

[@imightbebiased9311]

@@AntonioGGATX There has to be a penalty if you don't ride faster than the soft-pedal group, and you're in the "going for it" group.

[@nijaveg]

Thank Phil at least stands up against the bike change. I totally get on certain TTs it can be an advantage but imagine showing a friend the TDF for the first time and telling them it's a "professional sport" only to see some random dude jump out of a car, wrestle with the bike rack, then shove the rider uphill and nearly face planting as they give that final push...smh

[@petervonl]

10 out of 10 for your pronounciation of "Vingegaard" 👍

[@Matthieu260582]

E.P.O won the race.

[@David-zk7jk]

3rd place almost 9 minutes back. Not normal. Definately not pane agua today

[@stevesmart170]

How many Red Bulls, Monsters, and Triple Espressos did you have before recording this? Haha, you were talking almost as fast as Jonas rode today. Almost.

[@worstretirementever]

73 espressos just to stay awake during the TT

[@youneke]

Man I always knew JV was going to be stronger here but I assumed a few seconds. His bike does look faster his km/h was faster but damn near 2mins in only 22km.. hours after the stage I am starting to have a bad feeling of this performance.

[@matthewcarter5957]

Vingo on the best and most powerful hidden motor

[@leedorney]

How the hell TD is gonna usurp 1.40 idk BUT Pog will have to do a big effort like he did a few years back.. whether he can do it is another thing entirely but in wish him the best as JV is BORING as fk..oh & jumbo are doping but that's my opinion

[@ToniCroX]

What are they pumping into that boy Jonas....

[@user-ui6kv2np8i]

anything that they think will have an effect

[@jjashik7]

Phil, I was hoping to get a semi-realistic reaction to the farce of today, but your assessment in the comments that equipment can account for part or much of the difference is as disappointing as illogical. If it really was equipment, why was Wout deprived? The massive time gap reminded me of Lance blowing past Jan in the prologue.

[@cadepair4576]

Ah yes, he must be illogical if he doesn’t confirm your biases, because you’re obviously the expert.

[@mrsewe417]

You should apply for a job as an expert on TV. Of course Phil knows nothing about equipment. I mean how would he? You are The True Oracle!

[@turtleneck369]

@@mrsewe417 there is no way its equipment they are top tour teams they have not same level performance equipment but differences are usaully not high enough to make more than couple seconds on such short time trial 23km,if u looked at how Jonas raced you could see he did best descending of all guys there he was fasterst also he 100% pushed the most watts per kg he said himself his numbers on computer were so high he quiestioned if is it broken,1:38s on 23km is insane difference between top two guys like Pogacar

[@mrsewe417]

@@turtleneck369 Like I said. You are the man. Go get that job and share your tremendous knowledge with the world.

[@jamesgem1809]

Creature was not impressed.