Track Comparison | Honda Civic Type R vs Toyota GR Corolla Morizo

[@EthanSh1n]

“The transmission in both vehicles are great. Neither are exceptional.” This is literally the first time I’ve ever heard someone say the Type R transmission is not exceptional. Most consider it the gold standard

[@jubbalandcars]

S2000 shifter is far better than CTR Edit: I’d consider s2k shifter gold standard

[@EthanSh1n]

@@jubbalandcars That’s fair. Still, I feel like you’re really underselling the type R transmission.

[@TheFK8Life]

​@Jubbal & Cars the s2000 shifter is directly attached to the transmission whereas the fwd cars use cables - apples and oranges really

[@jubbalandcars]

Direct vs cable shift transmission proves the point. A large reason why FF cars generally don’t have as good of transmissions

[@GTR003121]

The GR is great, but I chose the R and have loved every minute in it.

[@caffeinefix2751]

We are getting this content for free. And it's good quality content! Thanks Jubbal for the comparison. Just because Chris Harris said the CTR is best hatch doesn't mean everyone else should. And I respect and enjoy Chris's views. I'm lucky to be an owner of FL5 and GR Yaris. Each have their merit. Never driven a GRC but I suspect it's in between yaris and civic. What a time to be alive when we're getting excited about Toyota's and Honda's!

[@jubbalandcars]

Another commenter said it best. Morizo is slightly better than CTR. Core is slightly worse. That’s of course a simplification and depends on what you prioritize

[@MikeJones-on9vm]

@@jubbalandcars The Morizo is still slower and more expensive than the Type R on track. I wouldn’t say it’s slightly better.

[@s4awd2]

Yeah, GRC is more fun. You just get more for the $$ with the CTR

[@aroundomaha]

I had a chuckle when you had to cut away when overtaking some other attendees. Excellent comparison even though the GR is rare. Both are beyond my spend appetite but I'm glad both platforms are available. If I were spending the money and both were available to me I'd probably pick the CTR. I worry about heat management in the GR differential and want the lower center of gravity.

[@christopherdaniel2747]

The civic is available the gr is not .

[@MR_71_BLACKBIRD]

I got a Morizo. It dyno'd 291whp with the a/c on. Fantastic car.

[@cornedbeef4332]

How much did they charge you over

[@MR_71_BLACKBIRD]

@@cornedbeef4332 2.5k, no regrets! I had to buy asap.

[@cornedbeef4332]

@@MR_71_BLACKBIRD dam that's not bad actually

[@cornedbeef4332]

@@mikimenendez for what it is, the Corolla isn't bad. But for 50-60k??? Lol

[@MR_71_BLACKBIRD]

@@mikimenendez "Look at me! I don't have one."

[@juanfernandez8987]

I have both. The GR feels light, tossable and lively. The R is buttoned down, lower, wider, and much faster. The R is also just a notch better and racier in most levels, aside from the awd system on the GR.

[@jubbalandcars]

Keep in mind morizo substantially different than core and circuit

[@juanfernandez8987]

@@jubbalandcars the R is better than the Morizo too. In everything. Drive an R when you get a chance.

[@Olivia300zx]

​@Jubbal & Cars I wouldn't say the morizo is substantially different. It's got different gear ratio in the trans for a little better acceleration, it's got a little less weight, it's tuned for a few extra hp with the same engine, so a tune could equal the power easily. The chassis is slightly stiffer and the tires are slightly wider on the same sized wheels. Other than the gearing, nothing on that would be hard to make better than the morizo

[@Olivia300zx]

​@@juanfernandez8987 the type R is only slightly better on a dry track in perfect conditions. In every other scenario the GRC wins and its not even close.

[@juanfernandez8987]

@@Olivia300zx where did you learn about Morizo's chassis being stiffer? Never heard about that. Diffs, gearing, back seat-spoiler delete, suede steering wheel-shift knob combo is it.

[@afrikengunner]

I am sorry dude but if Chris Harris, is saying the type R has the best steering input, has lift off oversteer to aid cornering and is faster that the hardest GR on track and off it... u may need to reconsider your review completely...

[@dogshmog]

Says the man who has neither driven or owns either of them.

[@afrikengunner]

@@dogshmog driven both already

[@dogshmog]

@@afrikengunner sure you have

[@tempeztad]

@@rich9774 neither the GR Corolla that seels almost for 52k when msrp is for the core is 37k... At the moment both are a waste of money.

[@groundhabit6408]

@@dogshmog prove that he hasn’t … it’s impossible since you’re on the internet .

[@daigo12865]

Give me the Type R. Not even close

[@davothegreat9990]

Wrong wheel drive. No way.

[@jmd7070]

😂

[@dougmaverick3287]

GTC all day long, especially in wet or snowy conditions. awd>fwd.

[@DelmarToad]

Unobtainium, meet unobtainium.

[@GNP999]

CTR for me but FK8 Version.

[@kylebaylis13]

see this guy knows whats up fk8 is the goat

[@stevewallace1387]

Type R every time

[@ulises8483]

Both are great cars, it all comes to purpose. If you want a course track Hatchback the Type R if you want a Rally Hatchback the Corolla GR. That’s how I see it. I wouldn’t buy any for daily driving with the markup is absurd. You are better of buying a real daily and a modified race car.

[@darrenprior6339]

Finally someone who can drive fast and hard enough to recognise the weaknesses in both cars. I was beginning to tire of all the glowing reports on the CTR which overlooked the fact that the front wheels were doing all the work and that torque steer would eventually become an issue if driven hard enough. In the end both are fine cars but both are compromised by front wheels doing some or all of the work.Were it my money I'd go for the Morizo, but I may be biased as I already own a GR Yaris and drive it hard through mountain roads. Front wheel drive cars just don't cut it in the wet, no matter how good they are.

[@trustalign]

I am willing to bet any money I'd be able to leave you in my FL5 through the twisties fwd and all

[@Philbyyyy]

​@@trustalign keep the dick measuring off KZbin

[@darrenprior6339]

@@trustalign Cute. I'm not interested in engaging in phallic measuring mate. I neither need to prove my own skills to you nor do I have the desire. Go enjoy your self confidence.

[@trustalign]

@@darrenprior6339 no fun. Thought you'd put up more of a fight.

[@darrenprior6339]

@@TheCaesarChris I didn't say he drove well. I said he drove fast and hard and I think he was deliberately trying to prove a point that front wheel drive cars suck

[@lucienpetrus3851]

The Corolla for me all the way up. Cape Town South Africa 🌍♥️

[@christopherbassit2757]

Gr corolla all day!!!

[@mikimenendez]

Overhyped 👎🏼 it is not as good as media says… had to test drive it to prove it, and definitely not that fun

[@domodomo6168]

Also looks like shit

[@fergusodaly3]

Maybe turn the rev matching on in the Morizo next time so we can how we'll it works.

[@joshb2386]

What do you think about fun factor for gr Corolla vs gr86?

[@jubbalandcars]

I'm a sucker for RWD driving dynamics and loads of oversteer, so GR86 for me. All depends on the driver's preferences for fun, I can see some preferring Corolla

[@wayneh1562]

gr carolla, for me its better looking

[@styledliving]

I wonder if anyone will ever talk about how the morizo edition headlights have a really really bad cutoff. off the lot and at night, they aim far below on the left side of the vehicle.

[@mengx94]

It's not exclusive to the morizo. The core has that as well to not blind oncoming traffic. I understand majority of drivers get off by doing stuff like that to other drivers

[@styledliving]

@@mengx94 not gonna lie but it’s dangerous asf. it’s honestly a safety concern trying to see deer in mountain roads.

[@Olivia300zx]

​@@styledliving I daily mine in dark curvy back roads and I haven't had any issues with the headlights. I see the bit you're talking about but that goes away with the brights on.

[@jeffleary1598]

Had trouble driving that gr. Stayed maxed out in 2nd. 3rd has plenty of torque to not have to downshift coming into the corners. Drive more with the brake in and torque out keeping the rpm’s up. You kept dumping boost

[@timmietz]

Morizo all the way!

[@arttruckenbrodt7181]

Was surprised us hear how loud and clunking sounding the shifter is the GR Corolla.

[@caffeinefix2751]

Same on yaris. My yaris clunks and shifts when changing gears

[@Ben-bs4od]

All wheel drive makes a difference every day. Anyone who has had good AWD knows this. But if the Civic had an automatic, I might go with it for the looks.

[@cbl3329]

automatic is for grandma

[@Ben-bs4od]

@@cbl3329 It is for my Grandma

[@lilripsta911]

​@Ben my prius is automatic too

[@JJ-mc8lu]

A car has to look good and Type R is the one to have. Sorry.

[@jubbalandcars]

CTR better looking for sure

[@CJ-gh4eh]

Very interesting, seems like the circuit and core fall just behind the civic while the Morizo sits just above it. These are all great cars, just a matter of personal preference!

[@jubbalandcars]

Yes, exactly

[@leonardoarispe4689]

Actually the morizo edition lost to the type r in a track battle at Virginia race way with the same driver on lightning lap. So yeah type r all day.

[@CJ-gh4eh]

@@leonardoarispe4689 Very interesting!

[@madmugen888]

@@leonardoarispe4689 I believe this review focuses on driver focused fun over pure lap times. I’m a Honda DC2 owner but love where Honda has with the CTR, but the latest GR offering from Toyota have been really impressive.

[@christopherdaniel2747]

Just above it? Remember they civic retains its usability. Something I noticed about Americans they seem to hate Honda at every turn, the civic looks better, drives better, sounds better has better day to day usability but will still get slighted cause it's a "serious car" it's not " playful" . After they complained about the looks of the last type r they are all for the looks of the corolla that looks like a proper rip off....tacked on fenders, outrageous front bumper ,ugly ass back bumper and the 3 tail pips it's a type r but from Toyota fully accepted not a word about how ugly it looks 😮

[@lilripsta911]

GR Corolla is the complete package

[@mahlok8210]

Gr corolla the best steering

[@betteheadbettehead4800]

I wish they were coupes!

[@youcangetsum6871]

We want to see Fl5 VS the Elantra N

[@trustalign]

Why? It would be total domination

[@youcangetsum6871]

@@trustalign highly doubt it I’m sure it’ll be faster as it cost way more the fl5 isn’t even faster than the fk8 straight line a DCT EN will walk a stock fk8 from a roll every time I’m sure the EN won’t be far behind ,it put up a good fight with the slower manual and bad tires on car and driver.

[@robme3660]

The GR just looks like more fun. Most reviewers seem to say the same thing off of the track. On the track, you're in the minority

[@mharro88]

Agree. The type r is boring. GR Corolla and Elantra n are more fun

[@mharro88]

@@volkz247 who ,? couldn't care less. The older type r was more fun

[@trustalign]

​@@mharro88sounds like poor ppl speak 😂

[@Philbyyyy]

​@volkz Chris Harris loves the GR Yaris

[@BlueFL5]

@@mharro88 I’d have to disagree. Just tracked my Type R last weekend and the back end kept stepping out of me. It was a ton of fun.

[@debendragurung3033]

Gr corolla will have a racing heritage. So yeah

[@crespo72285]

Don't care w8th cars that I can't even get at the dealer

[@tinhinnh]

so the civic you date, the corolla you marry

[@vicente321]

I really don't like how the CTR looks. It doesn't look as unique as the Gr corolla, it's just a bland looking civic with an obnoxious spoiler.

[@jubbalandcars]

I think both look great in their own way

[@benmorris7276]

Well I'm mean the GR Corolla is a rally homologation like the GR Yaris in Europe so it feeling like a rally car makes sense. I would 100% get a GR corolla even if it was just a speced out core edition over the civic type R even though I think the type R is an incredible car the rally fan in me wants the rally car experience

[@jubbalandcars]

Totally valid

[@MaddNomad1015]

The GRC is not a rally homologation whatsoever. Lmao.

[@frankbrokercr]

So the new civic type r transmission is not exceptional.... okeiii

[@jubbalandcars]

Nope it’s not

[@kevintaing]

When you’re leaving the hot pit at ECR you’re suppose to treat that solid white line as a wall I.e. don’t cross over it

[@jubbalandcars]

Yes, called the blend line. Different rules at these events

[@DBX79]

Good luck getting a Morizo there’s only 200 across the world😂

[@daniellocke9534]

Don't wreck your friends cars!

[@holidaeyy674]

No way in hell $50k for a cheap plastic gr..typeR. for me more luxurious...

[@BlueFL5]

Then why are you even watching this video lol

[@mahlok8210]

1.6 L engine... 💪💪

[@TerryManitoba]

GR Circuit E - All Day Long - Son I'm too old to drive some "Racer Boy" looking Honda

[@mikej972]

I believe GRC circuit looks more boy racer with all the body flares slapped on, big grills and just lot of styling everywhere… CTR is very subtle and it has smooth lines. Only thing is the rear spoiler

[@TerryManitoba]

@@mikej972 A boring looking sedan with an obnoxious (tacked on and out of place parts) spoiler spells Boy Racer. It's not a real sports car like a GT3. Those who don't know will not even notice the GRC. (I've had a '14 Fiesta ST with slapped on parts from NEW & no ones really ever notices it as being anything but a Fiesta - unless they know) You pull up with the Type R - you will be noticed as a Boy Racer cuz the spoiler ADL- don't get me started on the previous super BR type R🤡

[@TerryManitoba]

@@mikej972 & having just sold my RWD sports car - I kind of miss not being able to easily drift the ass end! So owning another much less fun FWD car is certainly not in the books. Having said that - If 'today" I had to choose between a new Fiesta ST or Type R - my money would be on the 500 lb lighter ST.

[@mikej972]

@@TerryManitoba well the old type r is hideous. I do like the fiesta but it’s another Ford. I like reliable cars that hold their value. The driving feel and feedback you get from this type r is extremely good. A lot of people compare to Porsche. Corolla just has to much styling going on and it’s too busy. It speaks more boy racer to me but I guess everyone has a different taste

[@TerryManitoba]

@@mikej972 I sold a 993 (after 35k miles of use) and also own an 07 GT3 - so I know how to rip in 911s a bit. I bought those cars to have fun - I was just "lucky" their value doubled. I bought the ST for "fun" - not for future selling price. If you are such an expert on future value of any vehicle. Why aren't you buying a sh*t ton of those vehicles and reap future values. I know you won't because you "really" don't know - do ya... FYI a FWD vehicle will never ever be compared to a RWD rear engine 911 - maybe only in your world - I guess.

[@domodomo6168]

The Toyota is 🤮🤮🤮