Jackie Hill Perry and Megan Ashley TAKES SHOTS at the Prosperity Gospel

[@trackstarz]

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[@Hakeem597]

"If you leave the faith, you were never in it". THAT RIGHT THERE!

[@aubrie_morgan]

Not true. The bible says several time that there will be people who will fall away who once believed.

[@Hakeem597]

@@aubrie_morgan Not true? 1 John 2:19 disagrees with you. And you misquote and misunderstand the verse. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3.

[@tiff2831]

That part Hakeem!

[@ALTheFreeMan]

Most people who claim to be “Christians” are simply people who are just attending church. They love the music, they enjoy the fellowship, but they rarely read their Bible, and they don’t have a clear understanding of their faith. This type of culture within the church has been years in the making, but it’s good that these conversations are being had. Hopefully, new ministries will spring up that actually focus on teaching and discipleship, and not prosperity.

[@jodianneloveless3297]

We have to pray for revelation. Not just in the church member but especially in the Pastors.. once you have true revelation, you teach differently .. People develop a thirst for a deeper relationship with the Lord. You want to search the word for yourself... you want wisdom and understanding. That promotes deliverance.

[@sonjaanderson6933]

The church is US not the building. We Christians should stop this nonsense and leave these building that resembles night clubs. Jesus reminds us that the poor will always be with us, stop thinking that everyday is going to be rosey, its not, but faith will get you through any situation. Jesus is the answer.

[@ieshathompson2044]

Yes I really believe that is what needs to happen. We as a church need to bring back community groups that allow people to have a strong unit of believers that assist them in their spiritual walk of life. However that will cost them to be vulnerable with others.

[@karenbthompson2706]

Love Jackie Hill Perry, what an anointed and prepared daughter of the Most High God. And her beautiful husband as well. So much respect for them and their ministry!!

[@WilliamsPinch]

I went from complete belief, to absolute unbelief. And have since been redeemed by grace. So I do not believe once saved, always saved.

[@karenbthompson2706]

I agree… or we can do whatever we want and still be saved.

[@bpraise517]

This promise from God in Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption...is there one single scripture that shows we can be UNSEALED?

[@oreo9977]

@@bpraise517 Sealing and unsealing are not the only ways salvation was described in the Bible. It feels a bit disingenuous to define along such a narrow context. 1Tim 4:1 talks about leaving the faith. I'm sure I can find other related verses.

[@franciscomaddox6807]

@@bpraise517 I like 1 Corinthians 3 “the builder will be saved but like barely escaping through a wall of flames”

[@bpraise517]

@oreo9977 The "Some shall depart" is not a loss of salvation but the practicing of the traditions of faith in 1 Tim 4:1...thats why Paul tells Timothy ...thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, 👉🏾OF SOUND DOCTRINE.

[@mrssap8603]

Why are we putting the blame on the Church? Yes, pastors/church leaders have a responsibility to equip Believers for Kingdom work. However, it does not exempt the individual Believer from studying the Word, praying, evangelizing, and seeking God for her/himself. WE need to grow up and stop drinking the cup of idolatry. We LOVE the world more than we love the Word.

[@Hakeem597]

True, but also, judgement begins with the house of God. The greatest danger to the Gospel comes from the pulpit. Moses, Aaron and Miriam were leaders of the congregation....Aaron, the high priest, made the congregation a golden calf. Moses did not regard God as holy and glorify him before the congregation. Miriam wanted to take Moses' spot. Because of these things, none of them were able to enter the promise land. Aaron's sons (who were more than likely drunk with wine) offered strange fire and received the wrath of God. Double accountability will be required of a lot of these pastors, false prophets, teachers, etc. If people are departing the faith, they never belonged to Christ to begin with. If you have Christ, you have the Holy Spirit, and it is this anointing that is within you (the Holy Spirit) who teaches you all things (1 John 2:27)...we are without excuse and we have the 66 canonical books of the bible. If you want to know what God is saying, its in His word and by the power of the Holy Spirit.

[@cass2883]

Romans 10:14-15, how can they hear without a preacher? Yes, we should be spending our own time in the Word individually but our leaders in the body carry a significant responsibility to preach the Truth, which is why James said that many should not be teachers because they will be judged more strictly (James 3:1)

[@dwayneford9213]

Amen on putting the Judgment of God on the House of God, meaning All have sinned and fall short to the Glory of God. We live in a later day society where people are blaming everyone from the parents to the teachers, to law enforcement to the preacher, but never themselves for their behavior and individual sin.

[@Hakeem597]

@cass2883 exactly, which is why we have God's word. We are to not believe every spirit, but test the (1 John 4:1) we do that with the word...but the problem is people who follow these false teachers do not read the word.

[@haroldvwilliams4253]

Not everyone in the Church are God’s people! God is getting tired and warning His people to separate themselves from the wolves that are clothed as sheeps. Many put their faith more in the church than God. They are called lukewarm Christians, and God hates that. Relegation 3:16. There will be Christians going to hell along with those who are in leadership who is full of Idolatry.

[@mimiaquariusharris6244]

I had lung cancer diagnoses September 2023 had my middle lobe removed home two days later. Praise God I did not have chemo or radiation. My prayers was God I pray to have the right attitude and the strength to except your will.

[@trackstarz]

Praise God!

[@mrssap8603]

There's a difference between persecution/suffering for Christ and day to day problems due to life choices or living in a sinful world. But God can use it all for His glory and for the good of those who love the Lord and are called according to His purpose. Rom 8:28

[@AngelasTravelAdventures]

Great conversation and it's good to be reminded of this. My father is a minister and he went through prostate cancer years ago, over 20 and his PSA has been low with no prostate cancer, then in November of 2023 we found out he has bladder cancer, he did chemo and had his bladder removed. I was so mad and confused about it all, but my Dad kept saying this is just a trial I have to go through and I'm over here asking with tears in my eyes God why?! My parents are in their 70's and should be enjoying their golden years together not doing this! This message/talk is a reminder that we as Christians still will go through things but God is with us. Please pray for my Dad, Willie Mcloyd and my family. Still praying for him to be completely cancer free in Jesus name. Love your Podcast.

[@trackstarz]

Absolutely We will be praying!

[@streetevangelists1]

This was a great discussion that needs to be talked about more and more! Biblical understanding is very important “IF” you are a Christian.

[@tasha6734]

We need the Holy Spirit to understand. We (people) will not understand without Him. Repentence from what we want. And personal relationship is needed.

[@kenshia08]

Great video. Jackie is so impactful as a teacher because I believe she doesn’t speak without consulting the Holy Spirit. Thank you for addressing the topic of leaving the faith and how that is not possible given the blood of Jesus, I have often been asked this by friends and did not know what to say in a gentle manner, I will send people this clip if ever asked. ❤

[@PoSHEmediaglobal]

Good discipleship will prepare us for the disappointments that sometimes comes with our faith when certain needs are not answered

[@candace5705]

Yes!!!!

[@ninakeeton8560]

I totally agree I was one that was struggling and stop going to church but GOD never lost sight of me he will leave the many to get the one. My feet are firmly planted I know the blood is enough!

[@ninakeeton8560]

Praise GOD !!!

[@yolandahall4587]

YOLANDA ADAMS SAID IT SPOT ON SHE SAID THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WENT TO CHURCH ALL THERE LIFE AND NOT EVEN HAVE HEARD ( HEAR ) THE WORD.....THAT PART WAS AND EYE OPENER FOR ME.....I WAS LIKE WOW....SOME PEOPLE DON'T EVEN HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LORD......ALOT OF KIDS WAS MADE TO GO TO CHURCH, THERE WAS NO SUCH THING OF NOT GOING....FAITH COMES BY HEARING THE WORD OF GOD🙏🙏🙏 CONTINUED BLESSINGS TO YOU ALL ON THIS PODCAST🙏🙏🙏

[@elizabethwilliams4705]

Love Plain James!!! ❤️ We cannot exempt the believer from doing the work. We had the best preacher teacher EVER in history and because the people did not have the equipping of the spirit to understand what they heard so they rejected it. The Holy Spirit gives us the ability to testify and share the Gospel to anyone, but without that relationship ourselves we arent able to do it. Leaders are accountable, but so are we. Short story when we stand at Judgement blaming someone else is not going to save us from the wages we've deposited in our heavenly accounts.

[@ltlsgw2014]

Whew!! I loved this conversation! 👏🏽🙏🏽🙌🏽

[@Racquel352]

To say it’s impossible to leave the faith is say once saved always saved. People walk away from the Faith, same way Satan was Casted down from Heaven and BECAME the Enemy of God. The Blood does not keep us against our will. It’s strong enough to keep us if we want it

[@zinhle1627]

100%

[@mommyhardy73]

Somebody send this clip to Tiphani Montgomery Immediately!!!!

[@aalove4]

A friend of mine and I just prayed over Tiphani! We don’t know what she’s enduring behind closed doors… so we took upon ourselves to pray over some of the things we’ve noticed over the months! 🙏🏾🫶🏾✨

[@chantelrobinson8281]

One thing about Jackie she keeps it real. And that’s what is needed. Instead of pretending she is real. Period. Too many preaching things that doesn’t even believe what they speaking…

[@pastorbobbie-kingdomlife]

The question regarding why we don’t hear certain scriptures taught brings the importance of expository preaching. Going through books of the Bible chapter by chapter and verse by verse

[@savedbyHisGrace7752]

We all face different trials, some we made, others from those blinded by sin. Even as a believer we will learn daily the things to be removed from our lives to become more like our savior Christ Jesus, who came to serve from, the sinner, to the scribes and Pharisees. What we need to learn is, no one is perfect, we all fall short of His glory, and Jesus is why we have victory. Biblical teaching on removing sin and suffering will be in our walk as we grow in our faith... God is always good, we always don't see that. Love, joy, peace is from God

[@wandafisher7661]

This conversation was well needed

[@rachelraquelRandR]

I love this and I Love the way Jackie speaks

[@getvideos1065]

I don’t fully agree with Jackie on this topic. Suffering has its place but Prosperity also has its place in the gospel. This is one reason why ppl are dropping the gospel to pick up the bag because of doctrine that’s rooted in Catholicism. Literally, look up the definition of salvation in the Greek. It’s a benefits package.. you get deliverance, welfare, preservation, and prosperity. And it works in all nations. Read Isa. 61 to get an understanding of what Jesus was anointed for. We all share in the same mission. Enjoyed this segment! Blessings 🙏

[@micaiah0109]

Balance 💯

[@taebrown384]

How do you define prosperity??

[@tabitha245]

Also the Roman Catholic Church

[@amb2810]

Amen!!!!

[@IsaiahSierra-x4l]

My co worker sent me this we work with str8 felons you know I’m back in my faith doing everything I can to be holy and nothing but hateful people there gossip to eachother dap eachother up then talk crazy behind each others backs all of a sudden they doing it more to me I pray for these brothers everyday while walking to work and I pray while I’m there finally got to a breaking point this week you know listening to this I needed it I prayed my supervisor txted me back they trying to get me fired at the moment you know I talk alot about god at the job I’m 20 years old my testimony a lil wild like all of us here was locked waiting for upstate god sent me home I died with a skull fracture as a alcoholic and you know it was all dark but god let me wake up deep bad feeling especially when I woke up I knew it was time then I got locked up and pleaded now I walk this walk I feel great I feel crazy for even letting the evil get to me I’m happy I prayed and I’m okay let alone the talks we have just helps a lot daily with what be going on God bless yall fellas keep the movement going‼️‼️❤️

[@mrdanielleebrown]

Quicksand theology. Come quickly to the sandy alter of a "sinners prayer." However, leave quickly during adversities, and when the sand gets too hot. Quicksand is deceptive because it appears to be stable ground until that sand meets weight.

[@evohumans]

Yes, Jesus's blood is definitely strong enough to keep you, however, you can choose to walk away. The bible talks about people being in the faith, but then falling away.

[@amb2810]

Life with Christ IS EASY!!! That doesn’t mean hardships won’t happen but His burden is light. When you have completely allowed the Holy Spirit to cover you, there are no “hard times”. Contentment, peace and love are the burdens. No life circumstance can take me out of my joy and laughter and praise.

[@gjcart26]

Great conversation.

[@pr3ttylinks]

“When you leave the faith, you were never in it” -No- many people who left the church were the ones who were the deepest in it.

[@tyestable]

Leaving Christianity is possible. I use to ignorantly call myself a Christian which is really just a title and Christianity is just a religion. Studying scripture and the the history of the title “Christian/Christianity” with the help of the Ruach Hokodesh (Holy Spirit) gave me such a clear understanding of this as well when I took it up with the Father, fasted and prayed about it. Anyone can call themselves Christians shoot kkk call themself Christians. I know many Christians who just go to church (most all their life) and don’t know the word at all nor have a relationship with The Father 😢, don’t care to keep the commandments especially the sabbath (Saturday) and just think all the old laws are done away with yet tithing stays. Makes no sense. I myself am a believer of the Most High Elohim a Follower of the way and a blood bought believer according to Acts 24:14. I’m not attached to any religion and have a beautiful relationship with The Father and Christ Yahusha (Jesus).

[@Studio-ch3qc]

It’s not many it’s most Christians don’t open the Bible

[@blessings7070]

Honestly many people confess Christ, but have never been BORN AGAIN!! We must be Born again!! That's why Jesus said " They confess me with their mouths, but their hearts are far from me!!" Mathew 15:8

[@crismedley1753]

Once saved Always Saved is a Tricky stance. There is assurance in salvation but there is also free will. That's why there is rejoice when a Backslider comes home. Names can be Blotted out, branches can be cut off from the vine, We have to be very Careful with the Once saved always saved Doctrine. Hyper-Grace is a scary place to be in the Faith. Everything else was spot on.

[@bryphy]

My wife and I tell Belivers to watch American Gospel and American Gospel CHRIST centered. It shows what you guys are talking about of false teaching coming out of the USA.

[@Mr2231314]

First of all, why would you serve a God who cannot secure you in your salvation? The notion of backsliding should never cross your mind when he said that he would never leave you for sake you and that we are sealed until the day of redemption somewhere along this journey, people started adding to scripture instead of taking God at his word when I hear people talking about their faith you were never surrender spirit, soul, and body to believe what the Christ has done for you. If you’re not experiencing tribulation, you don’t belong to him just be a good cheer you will overcome.

[@Lauren-z9g]

Not if you’re in it for the Love and peace BBC God gives you completely!!!

[@WittenbergProject]

good show ... tho yall wrong (historic stances of church, not jus my own opinion) on the apostasy passages. But good show guys.

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

Repent the Kingdom is near. Romans 10:13 👑 1 John 1:9 🙏

[@karenbthompson2706]

I think you can walk away from the faith because of free will. The Lord will not leave you but He will not force you to stay. He will continue to woo you but He will not force you. God is loving but He can’t stand sin and He has to punish it or you because He is Holy and He hates sin.

[@pastorbobbie-kingdomlife]

For those who may have “walked away from the faith” in agreement with questioning if they were really of the faith. In this word Jesus says he never new them: Matthew 7:22-23 (NIV): 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

[@archiedavisjr7362]

There are people who are really saved who walk away from the faith. The problem is some dont preach the whole Bible. Some take parts and pieces of the Bible they like it or not. Trials and Tribulations will happen.

[@amb2810]

The prosperity gospel Doesn’t say that we won’t go through things as Christians. I’m confused about this conversation. Who has ever preached that you won’t have problems and deal with persecution? The point is, everything will be great because God is GREATER than it all. That’s what brings the joy despite everything! And tithing and offering is biblical so any pastor that mentions tithing and the law of sowing and reaping is preaching sound doctrine. If we don’t tithe we are literally robbing God. Generously Tithing allows God to break open the heavens and send down blessings to us so we can reap what we’ve sown.

[@zinhle1627]

To say people can't leave the faith is to insinuate that they cease to exercise their freewill once they are saved. Also that apostasy is ficticous. Judas cast out devils and healed the sick, Judas had an intimate relationship with God (Jesus), He was discipled. He believed in the Messiah (The Gospel), followed Him and obeyed His instructions. His relationship with God was initiated by God, even though God knew Judas would betray Him. God does not preserve His salvation and fellowship only for those He knows they will never leave. He is the only One who is trustworthy- not us. God won't let go, as long as we do not let go ourselves. We can definitely let go, it is your prerogative. You can definitely reject your salvation. Only those who over come & endure till the end will be saved. Judas and Peter were in the same predicament, Peter overcame and endured till the end.

[@listenjonah]

Matthew 13. Seed falls on the people. The people’s life styles seem to be the different types of soil. The Lord cultivates your soil much like a gardener. I think the seed with very little soil is trying to grow where the believer won’t let the master break up the rocks of your heart to allow the seed to take root. The seed can sprout quickly but it never goes deep enough to take hold.

[@listenjonah]

I’m paraphrasing the scripture so read it on your own and ask The Lord for His understanding

[@skyangelnaruto]

While I do agree that many who think they believe don't actually believe, there is something such as "leaving the faith". Hebrews 6:4-6 NLT For it is impossible to bring back to repentance those who were once enlightened-those who have experienced the good things of heaven and shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the power of the age to come- and who then turn away from God. It is impossible to bring such people back to repentance; by rejecting the Son of God, they themselves are nailing him to the cross once again and holding him up to public shame.

[@keba773]

When you cone to Christ Followers of Jesus DO indeed reach a level of Peace and joy for unreasonable reasons. BUT you have to mature, MATURITY, to this. Meaning dieing to self for a season or two ans sacrificing because God sai so. There is so much peace IN GOD WITH HIS HOLY SPIRIT.

[@phylliswhite7279]

If life was perfect, know one would need Jesus. And in this life time there would be No darkness or Satan. Reality is Jesus is real and suffering exist and we are in the last days. Thank God that he exist and he sent Jesus for us and the Savior died to save us and Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to help us get through rough days.

[@Imjustsayin-j4f]

It’s the people not the church. Matthew 13 the parable of the sower. Some people (soils) just Stoney grounds

[@chestersteentalksmukbangsa1558]

I don’t know why churches are still praying about prosperity when he clothes the lilies and raised Lazarus from the grave. Forget about what these pastors are preaching from Gods pulpit. Read the Bible on your own and asked God to highlight what he need you to see and understand. A lot of these shepherd are going to have to answer to God.❤

[@constancereynolds3110]

I'm going to assume that you yourself don't know the Word of God and what Jesus Christ accomplished on the CROSS.

[@CHRISPYakaKON]

👀👀

[@daniellemadison8615]

Really Jackie you going to wear your sneakers on the Couch..sorry that's a pet peeve I have..I just don't get how people put their shoes on furniture..especially Couches n The Bed.. My Mom would of .....

[@trackstarz]

😂

[@CHRISPYakaKON]

😭😭

[@Missmewithdat]

Why does almost every preacher say they saving for another building when we should be saying where giving to the poor and preaching the great commission l just don’t think the Lord is happy with the greed, the sin of gluttony is not just about food

[@dwayneford9213]

Is TD Jakes Saved? Or is he a motivational preacher collecting his speaking fee after an emotional message on self help. Just asking.....

[@haroldvwilliams4253]

Anyone who is in leadership that prospering more than their members is not of God. I use to attend his church when I lived in Dallas, i seen people take buses to church. There is even a bus stop in the parking lot of the church. All that money should go to his members and community that are in need. The members and anyone who follow him are also making him rich.

[@trackstarz]

Ouch 😂

[@dwayneford9213]

@trackstarz Real talk, I attended most of the Manpower meetings in the 90s and visited the Potter's House on numerous occasions, and even the meetings he had here in the Washington, DC area. I met Jakes in the BWI airport in the late 90s, and I remember watching him from afar as one would an idol. It wasn't until the Eddie Long debacle that the Holy Spirit woke me up and told me that it was all a performance of the flesh. Through all those meetings with Jakes, I had never heard the Gospel preached. The alter calls were given, but the people were ushered to back rooms 🤔 and told idk how to join a local church? Anyway, I'm done with organ and drums and a speaker getting up in my emotions to get my money, and never even saying that Jesus Christ is Lord to the Glory of God, the Father. All I want to hear is Jesus, Jesus, Jesus..... After 43 years of the Way and another awakening by the Holy Spirit, all I want now is what Paul the Apostle had after getting knocked off his animal. The Voice he heard in his native Hebrew language was, "I AM YESHUA......."

[@laurenxo6503]

@@dwayneford9213 after seeing TD Jakes almost 20 years ago at Mt Calvary on Rhode Island NE, I knew the spirit was not in him. I never watched or listened to him or anyone associated with his camp again. There appears to be a discernment issue with modern Christians. Which I am not one, just making an observation.

[@Timmyjl25]

@@dwayneford9213 🤔🤔

[@gabrielhampton6483]

Ciara the isarelites did it everyday

[@oreo9977]

Not even sure what Jackie was going on about not applying in Rwanda. Why can't prosperity be preached in Rwanda? Is it only Americans that desire a good life? Or does she think they don't have testimonies over there? You guys are basically spouting Calvinistic stuff and acting like it's not highly contentious. There was a video I saw on YT recently. Was asking why does Mike Winger (who disagrees with Calvinism) not call out the likes of James White as false teachers, the same way he goes after prosperity preachers. That question applies here also. If God will not lose you, you don't need to fear whether you are in or not; in Calvinism, it isn't up to you anyway. So whatever advice Sean was giving is essentially irrelevant. Imo, if non calvinists are wrong, it doesn't matter, God "programed" them that way. On the other hand, if you calvinists are wrong, I find your theology to be just as dangerous as greedy prosperity preachers, and completely hypocritical with regards to preaching the gospel. I get the feeling you'd deny being calvinists, but if you think about it deeply, its the same theology, or at least Calvinism is better thought out.

[@taebrown384]

May I ask what your definition of prosperity is??

[@TRACKMAJORS]

But you shud talk to your community to a degree and the struggles specific to them

[@theworthyproject]

This is why I can’t stand this Prosperity nonGospel. These people aren’t believers. They are motivational speakers.

[@amb2810]

Life with Christ IS EASY!!! That doesn’t mean hardships won’t happen but His burden is light. When you have completely allowed the Holy Spirit to cover you, there are no “hard times”. Contentment, peace and love are the burdens. No life circumstance can take me out of my joy and laughter and praise.