Training Christians to be Belligerent | How a Pastor Radicalizes His Congregation, Pt 1

[@Locust13]

"The human body heals, therefore God" is functionally no different than "the tides go in and out, therefore Poseidon"

[@peteralleyman1945]

It can even be worse. Watch: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZS4oGyKoJV0Y9U

[@derGhebbet]

@@peteralleyman1945 This better not be a Rick Roll.

[@gothboschincarnate3931]

K Hewett well said.

[@jahcode6132]

yeah but Poseidon is a false god and yahweh is the one true God because reasons.

[@gwyndolin1536]

All Hail Great Lord Poseidon!

[@gustavlarsson7494]

"There's so much evidence that I don't even have enough time to mention a single one." That's-... That's not how that works.

[@davidk7529]

It would be cute if it weren't so insidious.

[@dickdeoreo]

Implicitly truthful is God he says. Sure, but I’m on the side that most religions are implicitly made up bullshit….

[@BSunE]

I do have time to emphasise how much evidence I have, but I'd hate to bore you with the details.

[@nicolasandre9886]

This is a very odd variation of the Gish gallop, but at least it's one that wastes less time.

[@oldmanaz.6811]

Sure ain't Gus.

[@Dorvin55]

"I even knocked myself on the noggin really good." "I...bet you did." The burn is unreal.

[@ProphetofZod]

Hahaha. Thanks!

[@martinmckee5333]

That one got me too!

[@lukepolster7300]

Omg. I was looking at this comment while the line came up😂. It’s a sign

[@pedrogomes5796]

ITS REALLY EMBARASSING

[@deliad9960]

I think there might be an issue with clumsiness.

[@DoctaOsiris]

It honestly winds me up how insulting these people can be all while saying they're the only ones with "morals", if only they could see the hypocrisy and irony in the things they actually say and/or do...

[@ProphetofZod]

Yeah. I'm not sure they see how insulting they're being, but at some point it's on you to be a little self aware and notice how you're talking to others.

[@disrxt]

They have certitude they are the only people who know the truth, they are being insulting, they are speaking the truth. Or so they believe.

[@bladerunner3314]

@@ProphetofZod But they are "right" (TM), which gives them all the excuse they need.

[@andregroo]

Notice how, when someone has good morals, asserting it become unnecessary.

[@kathryngeeslin9509]

@@andregroo Always.

[@chezeus1672]

"mommy/daddy, what's a 'God'?" -"just look at the trees!" -"okay...???"

[@derekardito2032]

Always said god was bark... Ing lol

[@imjessietr29]

“You are ignoring the voice of God.” No, hon, I’m ignoring YOU. Lol

[@letsomethingshine]

And what do scientific studies say about "the voice of God" A.K.A. How human brains appear to interpret are God's beliefs/knowledge/thoughts? The evidence I've heard about points that it is themselves, the brain area about what one thinks that others think" only lights up for real individuals (and maybe even some imagined ones), but for "God" (and some other imagined entities that they relate with themselves) the area that lights up for them is the same as for what they themselves think.

[@lyravain6304]

@@letsomethingshine Unsurprising. Since God isn't real, what is attributed to God is basically things people tell themselves that God would have told them. It's why the "10 commandments" have a point at times; "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is basically a part of human genetics; killing each other weakens the species. Which is why you see so few animals hunt members of their own species and why even fewer practice cannibalism. Theists take something that is genetic and assign it 'GOD' because some people that lived in tents a few thousand years ago didn't understand biology (or most sciences to be honest).

[@markhackett2302]

@@letsomethingshine How does a nonexistent God create beliefs/knowledge/thoughts?

[@John-md8wb]

@@markhackett2302 he didn't create anything cause he ain't real bud. People created god in their image.

[@markhackett2302]

@@John-md8wb Aye, but the theist still cannot answer my question. Atheists need to start asking it. After all, they ask questions that rely on God being real, we should ask questions that rely on God being imaginary. Only fair.

[@aaron5676]

Ooff..... I used to teach these same arguments (hopefully in a more articulate way than this guy).... hearing them now is just super cringe and a reminder how thoroughly brainwashed I was. I used to see no issues in these arguments, now I'm just shaking my head with each one.....

[@jsnel9185]

I feel ya man.

[@backwoodsskeptic8343]

Ignorance is one thing, but arrogant ignorance is a disgusting thing.

[@katarinatibai8396]

Common communal narcissism...

[@bradypustridactylus488]

This guy reminds me of the used car salesman from Southern California who deals only in automobiles in pristine condition recently traded in by the little old lady from Pasadena.

[@ProphetofZod]

Go granny go granny go granny go.

[@peteralleyman1945]

The difference is the cars are real.

[@bradypustridactylus488]

@@peteralleyman1945 The cars are real, but the Little Old Lady from Pasadena is myth. The goddess of used car transactions and deals too good to be true is as mythical as the historical documentation of the life of Jesus or proof of a young earth. She does not keep her car in her garage and use it only twice a week for buying groceries and going to Sunday School. She is, however, ubiquitous. Here in Phoenix, she is known as the Little Old Lady from Sun City.

[@peteralleyman1945]

@@bradypustridactylus488 Even old ladies in Pasadena exist and even some of them have their as-new car sold. Still far more believable than any theist story I'm aware of. And at least those salesmen don't set you on fire if you refuse to buy the car.

[@RossM3838]

Most used cars come from fleets like rental companies or businesses. They have not been used by one person and kept in a garage. This patter is like the car salesman’s pitch.

[@lolfzbf]

My heart breaks for the kids growing up in the families who subject them to this misguided nonsense week after week, damaging their beautiful young minds🤨

[@glamourchick21]

I actually grew up going to a Catholic church, and taking Catholic religion classes once a week. However, in my actual household, the philosophy was more universalist. My parents were raised Catholic, but by the time they had kids, they didn't see things as quite so black and white. We didn't even go to church regularly until I was about six and I asked why we didn't go to church like my Evangelical cousins did. My parents thought that as long as I was curious, they ought to present it as an option, but I always remember them emphasizing that no religion had all the answers and that everyone was just trying to explain the mysteries of life as best they could. Now, when I have kids, I plan to raise them secularly. And if they have any cousins to spiritually influence them, those cousins are probably going to be Jewish hippies. (My brother's fiancee is Jewish, my brother is converting before the wedding, and they're both what I would very affectionately call hippies.) I don't regret the religious part of my upbringing, probably because any radical elements in my religious education were tempered by my parents' universalism and humanism.

[@LadyhawksLairDotCom]

Yep. This pastor, despite how ridiculous he seems, is triggering because people like him owned me.

[@vCoralSandsv]

I call tentative shenanigans any time I'm listening to any apologetics

[@eddielopez2373]

I love that phrase 🤣

[@vCoralSandsv]

@@eddielopez2373 me too! 😂🤣😂

[@oldmanaz.6811]

I call full on bullshit when I hear them, the facts don't need apologetics.

[@AnnoyingNewslettersPage6]

@@oldmanaz.6811 Conversely, apologetics don't need facts. 😉

[@oldmanaz.6811]

@@AnnoyingNewslettersPage6 and that is well... a fact.

[@invisiblegorilla8631]

Is 'Kevin' the male version of 'Karen'? Seems like it. STOP IT KEVIN.

[@ProphetofZod]

Hahaha. You may just be on to it.

[@rojh9351]

If it isn’t Kevin, it’s Tucker.

[@david2869]

Kevin, son of Karen

[@oldmanaz.6811]

Sure and yes stop it now Kevin.

[@spyder2383]

love how he admits that he is narrow minded and that you must be also.

[@infosecrogue8883]

One thing I appreciate about these videos where you analyze what a normal pastor is preaching is that this is what Christians hear every Sunday. They don’t hear the big name apologists on a weekly basis and most have never even heard of William Lane Craig or Eric Hovind, so I sincerely believe that videos like this will have the greatest chance of getting them to examine their beliefs.

[@ranjaboy0]

Good point!

[@oldmanaz.6811]

If the Christian is open minded enough to do so. How many ya figure we have here?

[@stevenshearer7098]

I rwally dont think eric hovind should ever be mentioned in the same sentence as william lane craig.

[@YAWTon]

@@stevenshearer7098 So, why did you mention them in the same sentence?

[@emmanarotzky6565]

I wouldn’t call this a “normal” pastor. He’s a young earth extremist…

[@thetexasliberal283]

POZ is one of my favorites after growing up for decades in the Southern Baptist tradition. I showed one of his videos to my mom and she said if he had any real courage he wouldn't hide his face...that's about as far as she got into the message.

[@ProphetofZod]

Fun. In reply, I would show her two things: 1) My face in several places including appearances on The Line or other livestreams or in videos on my channel such as "Into the Zodverse." I obscure my face because people are used to seeing me that way and because it helps with audio and editing. 2) Christian pamphlets from Communist or other "closed" countries in which the faces of local believers are concealed. Would she suggest they lack courage as well? It seems that most people understand the need for some people to conceal their identity - and that calling on people you disagree with to show your identity if you have any courage is just an easy way of dismissing them. (Not that I need to preach to the choir, and I wouldn't suggest you go say things that would damage your relationship with your mother. It's just annoying that people fel this free to be insulting and dismissive of people just because they're non-believers.)

[@MB-mn8do]

@@ProphetofZod I have always thought it's because POZ doesn't need to charm us with his looks, and obscures his face to let his arguments stand by themselves.

[@perplexedpapa]

@@MB-mn8do He is a handsome man!

[@perplexedpapa]

@Skydaddy Myth-Busters Give us every other letter on one line. Then the other letters on a second line. Let's see how smart the ai is.

[@tylersimmons6524]

@@ProphetofZod Right. "I don't want to think too hard about the points he is bringing up; quick, what superficial thing can I focus on to allow myself to dismiss what is being said?!"

[@bladerunner3314]

Whenever a believer tries the "why you talk about a gawd you don't believe in", just answer "why do you talk about science you neither believe in nor have the slightest clue about?"

[@swolejeezy2603]

Would they say that BS to a comparative religion or mythology researcher? I mean knowing how dumb some of these guys are maybe. But entertaining ideas we don’t necessarily hold for the sake of discussion is like key to debate and conversation

[@bladerunner3314]

@@swolejeezy2603 Well, they DO tell people like Matt Dillahunty, who trained to be a pastor at one point in his life, he doesn't know the buybull. They tell people like me, who knows his google fu, I don't know what the book says and when I show them the verse, I "took it out of context" (oh, the irony) and when I show them the surrounding verses, they switch to ""but you haven't read that apolagetic ... as if reading the Silmarillion would make me like Lord of the Rings more ...

[@Ian_sothejokeworks]

"He was either God, or everything he said was absolute SHIT!" Jeez, bro. Xanax time.

[@mrmaat]

“I can’t touch too much... but I’ll try to control myself.” A Freudian slip mayhaps?

[@webjunke]

"Science actually backs up what I believe" (Cut to POZ' face static) LMAO 🤣🤣

[@ProphetofZod]

Hahaha. I'm glad you enjoyed it.

[@perplexedpapa]

@@ProphetofZod I snorted!

[@chezeus1672]

at 16:25 btw :)

[@oldmanaz.6811]

Yeah the static makes for good dead pan lmao.

[@danielsnyder2288]

You have to feel sorry for these pastors, in the age of the internet, they are fighting a losing battle

[@ProphetofZod]

I can feel bad for some, depending on their level of sincerity and the attitude they have toward others.

[@thedragonofechigo7878]

@@ProphetofZod Zod I appreciate your content a lot Helped me make sense of apologetics and how the same arguments are rephrased as though to appear as an intellectually honest opinion Love from South Africa 🇿🇦

[@cliftongaither6642]

good

[@katarinatibai8396]

Don't feel sorry for gaslighters.

[@kapnkerf2532]

Don't talk to me about order and intricacy with that chaotic mess of cables behind you.

[@JosephKano]

As a Health and Safety rep trained by my Union I endorse this message. That's a hazard. Needs a PIN.

[@acronen]

This dude is one hell of an acrobat with how he can just twist himself into a human pretzel, and shape himself around his feelings and beliefs.

[@bladerunner3314]

And all just to be able to devour his own dong ;)

[@JamesRichardWiley]

I am told that God wants to have a relationship with me. I'm still waiting after 72 years.

[@peteralleyman1945]

You're supposed to kiss his ass first.

[@derGhebbet]

@@peteralleyman1945 Sooo, are there any godesses up for that?

[@peteralleyman1945]

@@derGhebbet To my knowledge not in the christian faith. Maybe the holy ghost is female, but now I'm just guessing. But what's wrong with a male divine arse?

[@derGhebbet]

@@peteralleyman1945 Nothing, I just don't roll that way.

[@peteralleyman1945]

@@derGhebbet Me neither. Not interested in a godly relationship anyway, let alone to do divine arse kissing.

[@TitusJ]

You just know that Kevin is going to claim persecution from the pulpit next Sunday

[@Jokoko2828]

It ain't hard to ignore something that doesn't exist, pastorman.

[@Richardj410]

They are good at pointing their fingers at others proclaiming that they are such good people and anyone else is the bottom of the bucket.

[@gozer5264]

“Whatever your answer, this is recorded, so too late” 😂

[@utubepunk]

That got me too. It took me a split second & then I lol'd. Love the humor.

[@adrianinha19]

Oh boy...this brings back some memories...my pastors used to teach this to us, that you are supposed to "contend for the gospel". I'm so glad I got out

[@ProphetofZod]

Yeah, it brought back memories of him being an associate pastor at a church I used to go to.

[@MadHatter42]

What did he even mean by that? What are we contending for, again?

[@letsomethingshine]

@@MadHatter42 "For the gospel" is a euphemism of "for the faith" which is a actually also a euphemism of "for the in-group's ideas." Of which such ideas might also contain the idea that one must defend the people within the in-group against reproach from ANY out-groups (A.K.A. against "the world"). Truly an "Inception" strategy of snake oil sales.

[@MadHatter42]

@@letsomethingshine Ah, thanks for the clarification. It's bullshit all the way down!

[@davidk7529]

@@MadHatter42 Same thing as when people in a pyramid scheme teach new members to aggressively explain to recruiting targets how it's not a pyramid scheme... even if they hadn't heard of the concept of a pyramid scheme before that.

[@melindad180]

One of my parents had me memorize Romans 1:20 KJV when I was a kid. Now that I have left the religion of faith (and now enjoy living in reality), I have told them the very point you made. That, no person would ever look at "creation" and come up with the idea that there is a "god" that needed his "son" to be a human sacrifice to appease himself, due to all the "sin" of humanity, etc. It is insane.

[@gmac6503]

I spent 33 years as a believer and studied hard daily! Your video here is just, just, RIGHT ON! Nice job here.

[@DemonicRemption]

@G MaC I'm 32, and I still believe God exist. But I already know this song and dance... My parents took me out of the church to learn about God for myself. The result however I know wasn't what they wanted. Because I don't share their understanding of God, nor their complacant notion that he'll solve all my problems. Thing is, I've had my beliefs and understanding of reality challenged, which helped me strengthen it. I'm betting by your comment you were in an echo-chambered that didn't allow differing opinions or ideas. So when you finally entered the world outside, everything you thought to be true was seen as faulty and unproven. I'm sorry if I'm overgeneralizing.

[@gmac6503]

@@DemonicRemption Yeah, you totally struck out on that one. 😌 I think you meant well though so I'm not criticizing you for thinking that. However, in my case that's not it at all. In fact not even close. Thanks for sharing your brief history though. It's always interesting and everybody has a different story so I hope everything's OK with you now. The song and dance was incorrect but for me to go into it would be way too long and boring probably so I'll just say have a good day and hope things go well for you and stay safe. If you want to talk more about your testimony that's fine with me though. I'm a good listener.

[@jsnel9185]

@@gmac6503 what a kind response. Well done, showing compassion on the internet. 😊

[@cade8986]

This is what people mean when they say “Get a load of this guy”

[@2BachShakur]

I love how in every church there’s a stage with instruments, speakers and cords strewn about chaotically, like a bunch of amateur musicians just had a fight.

[@litew8]

You make such intelligent points about the fallacies of these types of messages

[@timeshark8727]

Why, or maybe how, do they lie so openly and readily? Virtually everything he says is wrong, and he is amazingly confident of it all.

[@davidk7529]

A lifetime of observation and practice.

[@Marialla.]

Your voice has a very gentle, kind tone to it. It's comforting to listen to. Thank you.

[@ProphetofZod]

Thank you! I put a lot of work into my audio, so I really appreciate that.

[@westower3961]

Seriously, POZ Your voice completely draws me in. It's both interesting and comforting. Have you ever considered Voice Over work? Narrating books, etc?

[@MuttFitness]

@@ProphetofZod any secrets?

[@michaelreindel6975]

“Look at the trees… God… it’s OBVIOUS… GOD… and *I’m* perfect… GOD!… and *I’m* special… GOD!!!… and you KNOW *I’m* great… GOD!!!!!… aNd yOu cAn’T dEnY *ANY* oF tHiS…!” 🤨 …gods, what an absolutely hysterical, and totally unhinged, narcissist (plus, I’ve heard calmer, and more rational, arguments from toddlers screaming in a toy store). And, again, the more I listen to theists, the more convinced I am in atheism.

[@nenmaster5218]

Atheist-KZbinrs, i recommend them often, i recommend them hard (XD), but today, i kinda wanna 'stretch' this Hobby of mine and say the Claim that theres a News-Source extra for Atheists. 'Some More News'.

[@LadyEvilest]

I have two scars, each nearly a foot long, that will never heal because my "intelligently designed" body tried to kill me twice.

[@bladerunner3314]

Ha, my intelligently designed body is trying to turn me into a wheel chair potato all the time and all I can do is ... naw, not praying, that would be stupid ... take the meds developed by science to keep my immune system in check.

[@Savannah_Simpson]

And I have to inject myself with insulin every day because my “intelligently designed” body decided to randomly start attacking my pancreas so it stopped working.

[@davidk7529]

And we all live with those risks and pains because Adam & Eve's bodies were "intelligently designed" to instantly choose to do the thing that the "intelligent designer" told them not to do, after which they and all humans afterward were punished for those two people being designed to _literally not know any better._ In the case of the christian god, the phrase "this hurts me more than it hurts you" means "I'm punishing myself for my mistake by hurting you". Yep, it makes just as much sense.

[@Kayback]

I'd ask to see them but my intelligently designed eyes don't work properly. (I actually wouldn't cos I'm not a creep but I needed a segway into my eyes being defective)

[@rayelgatubelo]

And that's not factoring in the hemophiliacs in the world.

[@cindys9491]

The argument "look at all the beautifully designed animals" has to take into account the perfectly adapted tapeworm or mosquito as well.

[@johns7734]

The person who tries to dissuade you thinking is NEVER your friend!

[@DefiantAngel87]

That depends on a lot of things

[@jackwestofficial]

I enjoyed the part where the preacher claimed humans are created so well that they heal themselves, then points out a recent boo-boo amid his un-healing baldness.

[@rickschofield3131]

We also were taught to go out and preach to the nonbelievers and convert them. Better known as verbal abuse and bully

[@ProphetofZod]

Yeah, that's part of what his point will be. Go tell everybody with the expectation that any honest, intelligent non-believer will see the obvious evidence and immediately convert.

[@joshuaprescod-campbell6961]

I love how he says that every other religion I could think of is wrong... Before asserting 'Aha! My god is the right God!'

[@Timmeh_The_tyrant]

Listening to this again reminds Me again of why I will never go back to Christianity. It is unbelievable that people sit under ignorant fools like this and let them spue half a** info from an egotistical perspective and they all eat it up and do what they say it's just ridiculous.

[@reneoswaldogonzalezpizarro7116]

"Whatever your answer this is recorded. So, too late" Genius

[@TheDevian]

"Look at this scar on my head!" Which we can see, because it didn't heal completely, and your hair is falling out!

[@DJHastingsFeverPitch]

Thank you for everything that you do. The further I get from my point of deconversion from Christianity, the more I'm shocked at the level of charlatan bullshit that I was involved in. Going step-by-step through sermons and showing the manipulation that's going on is fantastic and I wished more critics of Christianity would do this. Might I suggest tackling something by Tim Keller in the future? I just watched a sermon by him and he is so authoritarian, manipulative, condescending, and riduculously faux-humble.

[@ProphetofZod]

I'll check it out! The longer I do this, the more I find sermons are good for responses, as they let me speak to forms of manipulation a lot of Christians experienced directly. It just takes time to find the right ones, and you have to edit around through a lot of non-useable material. I'm glad my approach helps, and I appreciate the feedback!

[@thedragonofechigo7878]

@@ProphetofZod the sermon responses are my absolute favorite Especially the first one I watched about your old pastor You really do a great insight into how these apologetics radicalize well meaning Christians who aren't aware

[@tommyvictorbuch6960]

Anyone claiming to know anything about any God is by definition a liar.

[@katarinatibai8396]

We geth wett when it's raining. Therefore gwad.

[@stringtheories9820]

This was a great way to spend my lunch!! I can’t wait for part two! Also...sigh. I have probably said many of these things in my past as a believer. It’s good to be free of that.

[@jacketrussell]

Whenever I hear someone say "I love science" I hear a science denier.

[@peteralleyman1945]

Same with "I'm a logical guy".

[@swolejeezy2603]

No antivaxxer admits that they’re anti-vaccines, no neo-Nazi admits that they hate Jews, and no science denier admits they’re anti-science

[@grapeshot]

Basically the invisible sky wizard is a magical magician who conjured up the universe using a incantation spell. And he explains the rest of everything else with the god of the gaps argument.

[@grantmortensonva]

....you mean "magician", right?

[@grapeshot]

@@grantmortensonva yes

[@ProphetofZod]

The spell used a flute.

[@grantmortensonva]

@@ProphetofZod I was thinking more like the SpongeBob movie where he breaks the mind control with rock 'n roll. But I guess a Pied Piper of Hameln thing also fits.

[@FoxyRaccoon84]

I've seen this kind of thing before, but it was brought back into focus just earlier today. I was engaged in what I felt was a casual, measured, honest discussion with someone who was making broad declarations about the mindset and motivations of atheists. I chose my words as carefully as I could, avoided any language which I felt would cause offense, and tried to clarify as much as possible, however, the moment I brought up specific elements of the bible that I found distasteful, in response to direct questioning, I was met with a sudden hostility that left my head spinning. I'm still a bit surprised how fast it went from "here's evidence of god... love thy neighbor as thyself," to "you will be sent to HELL for ETERNITY by a just Judge." I wasn't prepared for such fervor, but I think you illustrate how such a defense mechanism takes hold. Looking back, I get the feeling that the person I was talking with was, on some level, looking for a fight (or at least a way to employ this kind of mental combativeness, even if subconsciously), and perhaps even as a way to justify to themselves that this type of response is therefore warranted. Like "aha! You see? This is an attack against me, and as such I should respond in kind, to the fullest extent I have at my disposal!" Never mind the fact that this "attack" was a simple question about the ethics of drowning an entire planet because of a perceived slight, which, now that I think about it in this context, seems a bit ironic.

[@ShermThursby]

You activated the persecution complex that is a feature of American Christianity. They feel attacked. They are now victims. You are now the bad guy. Sad.

[@FoxyRaccoon84]

@@ShermThursby it seems to be my accidental/unwanted Atheist Superpower; the ability to turn otherwise amenable people into enemies by using logic. This effect is doubled when using the targets own logic in return.

[@noracola5285]

That's just their emotionally immature reaction to feeling embarrassed because you made a good point for which they had no counter argument. They can't stand to lose & always fall back on hostility or at best finding an excuse for a hasty exit or changing the subject when cornered.

[@jeremiahlarkins618]

Dude, that opening music is sick bruh.

[@jeremiahlarkins618]

Ooh, I hate this sermon every time I hear it, from everybody I've heard preach it... Eh, at least its not the, "Jesus says don't cuss," sermon.

[@jeremiahlarkins618]

POZ, some people go to the pastor after church and tell him his sermon was great, Some people put their crock pot on before they go to church, and most christians have been told they're fools for being christian by non christians... I would've thought as a former christian you'd know that.

[@dagbertwilliams1681]

This is the kind of atheist content I can get behind. As a believer, I love the non-believers that point out the dum-dum arguments that turn church into dominionist christendom garbage. Thank you, and keep kicking at the pricks of terrible premises peddled by lazy hateful preachers.

[@monkmayfair3487]

When I hear a pastor (or anyone) use this "argument," all I can think of is Mel Brooks in Men in Tights: "There's things here! There's trees, there's rocks, there's boids, there's squirrels..."

[@markfrench8892]

My wisdom dictates that anime cat girls are real. 😸

[@bladerunner3314]

Are they compatible with real cats? After this train wreck of a marriage I'd be down for a cat girl but unwilling to give up my fur babies

[@rayelgatubelo]

I mean, Suris exists.

[@HunterLvyiXIII]

@@rayelgatubelo that's exactly what I thought

[@EdwardHowton]

Idiot pastor: "Look at our perfect bodies! I got a scab on my balding head!" ☼_☼ Want to run that one by yourself again a couple times see if it computes, Timmy?

[@graham9454]

The "god made people perfectly" almost never seems to include those born with birth defects. If it comes up then it's "god's just trying to test you". Which is insanely unkind for something that is "love".

[@bellezavudd]

Who needs hair when they have God granted bright red puffy scabs covering their scalp? 🤡

[@metroidmayhem8463]

The presupposition group has gotten aggressive lately. I guess they think they're cool and edgy by being hostile towards people who want basic facts presented.

[@publicguy1664]

It's a sign of religion's death knell.

[@swolejeezy2603]

What is disappointing to me is to see a few “mainline” “old-school” apologists leaning into it. Frank Turek, Eric Hovind, I think even WLC are doing it now

[@jamesoblivion]

'It's amazing how our bodies heal, and that proves there's a god we can go meet when our bodies DON'T heal. Win-win!' - the argument of a man terrified of both life and death

[@djfrank68]

He’s yammering on and all I can think is “that looks like a nice Taylor guitar back there”

[@unclekeith6372]

I've always known there's some lowlife's out there. But now, they're becoming TOO EXTREME for me! I mean, why do these cowardly pastors want to encourage hatred and bigotry into our society?

[@HeatherBrown-gw7tn]

:) Thanks for doing what you do.

[@ProphetofZod]

Of course! I love doing it, and I appreciate the kind words.

[@SapphWolf]

Sensible people: "Are you saying all those other religions are wrong!?" Pastor: Yes! Bible: Matthew 5:5 "Blessed are the humble, for they shall inherit the earth." Dude has issues.

[@jsnel9185]

Hah! Nice. He is the MOST humble, and he wants to make sure everyone knows.

[@xt2724]

Love your channel. Much love from Chattanooga.

[@ProphetofZod]

Thank you so much! I really appreciate it.

[@Axioanarchist]

Heyah! Escaped from Chatt about a year ago.

[@ShikataGaNai100]

"The dyslexic fool says in his heart, 'There is no Dog.'" - Psalm 14:1

[@bellezavudd]

The fool has figured out there is no God. Whats that say about those who cant.

[@Wildcard120]

The " look at the trees argument"? Ookay.

[@nikczemna_symulakra]

16:25 I deeply regret not seeing the look on your face at this crucial moment :]

[@ShikataGaNai100]

"Stop Making Sense" - Talking Heads

[@Car_Mo]

I for one certainly appreciate your dealing with and answering these kinds of people. If i we're still using FB, i would block them straight away. I would even accept friends request, just to get the satisfaction of blocking them. Life is too short to deal with ignorant, narrow minded people and i aplaude you for taking the time to do it and to do it in such a restrained, objective way! If it saves even a single person from the mind prison that is religion, i bet that makes it worth it.

[@LePedant]

Wow! By far the prettiest eyes of any KZbinr.

[@krehnah7541]

That intro is metal AF.

[@Oswlek]

Good to know that the most powerful, most loving being imaginable would construct our universe in such a perfect way as to result in the brutal torture and murder of his son. When you put it that way, I have no choice but to believe!

[@robertlong5171]

There is good money in religion

[@wxracer23]

“I have a feeling your whole family about to go down But for now I got to study” -billy Madison

[@hope-cat4894]

If God has no vulnerabilities, why would make us have them? To keep us forever reliant on Him? That sounds so creepy and abusive. Why even bring that up like no one is gonna think about it when they get home?

[@ProphetofZod]

Exactly. Great point.

[@JosephKano]

Abuse. Yes that is exactly the point. So much of what they say makes me think of the abused spouse's I've spent almost 30 years supporting and working with. It's actually part of my deconversion that realisation.

[@bellezavudd]

Of course no god wants us to be dependent upon them, but boy oh boy can I name a few thousand church leaders and their "elite" connections who revel in the masses being dependent upon them.

[@tracewallace23]

When he was describing his injuries,, Did anyone else think,, That's because 'No means NO' 😏

[@teaburg]

Most of these preachers seem to be saying 'to be a real Christian, you must think like me'.

[@onedaya_martian1238]

And preachers think this out loud, to an audience who are supposed to believe god is being channeled by him (as he takes their money)

[@EatHoneyBeeHappy]

"Sometimes things heal sometimes they don't." Hmmm it's almost like prayer doesn't work. He's so close to realizing that his god doesn't interact with reality but for some reason he just doesn't get it.

[@guylarcher6005]

Thank you thank you thank you for doing this. it has been so helpful to me.

[@IanJAGreen]

LOVE THE METALCORE THEME SONG! ✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽

[@Nekulturny]

Aww you're not doing a video of the "... ITS DEAD!!!!!" guy? That line cracks me up everytime I think about it.

[@LelaShines4]

He’s TOTALLY going to reveal the proof but he can’t do it when everyone’s looking at him (he’s shy) ☺️ and plus, everyone left their ovens on! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Love the channel, thank you for all the great videos. 👏🏼

[@imjessietr29]

Jesus can’t heal someone beheaded like John the Baptist, but someone like Jarasandha can be torn in two and reform as long as you don’t throw his halves in separate directions. 😀

[@SapphWolf]

14:26 Really? There's no middle ground between "He's not worth following" and "He was God incarnate."? "He was a decent guy with generally good ideas." Seems like a perfectly reasonable conclusion.

[@KillerOfWhales]

The C. S. Lewis claim, which this one probably draws from, as I understand it, is that because Jesus claimed he was God, he was either God or he was delusional. Of course, that assumes that what the Bible claims is true, and delusional people are quite capable of saying reasonable things on occasion, so it’s bullshit anyway

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

Not every quote attributed by the bible to Jesus of Nazareth is a good idea. And even less of those are unique to the guy's citations.

[@SapphWolf]

@@Ugly_German_Truths Which is why I used "generally." There's things that Jesus says in the Bible that are harmful, but in general he says things that are at least benign.

[@dericanslum1696]

...not if you actually read the words attributed to him...

[@ZangelDemon]

Dichotomous thinking, or all-or-nothing thinking, is a common cognitive distortion. This pastor's idea that Jesus is either God incarnate, and therefore couldn't be more deserving of following, or he's not worth following at all is a good example of this.

[@TheTechnicolorRobot]

The "Tell me there's not...." part is so fucking funny with your dry response

[@dmartuk]

Wonderful presentation. I would argue, in reference to your Step 3, that their goal is not just to mischaracterize people who expect doctrine to make sense, but to pathologize them for insisting that theologians be held to the same standards as logicians and mathematicians.

[@thepubliusproject]

I realize that these are people you personally know, so calling bullshit on them is difficult. Yet, you do so, and you do so in a way that is intelligent and has consequence. There's no doubt that this impacts your life in many different ways, yet you do it anyway. You are, indeed, doing the work of God.

[@nenmaster5218]

MANY DO. May i recommend other KZbinrs?

[@thepubliusproject]

@@nenmaster5218 please do.

[@nenmaster5218]

@@thepubliusproject You didnt specify, so i guess you'd mainly like Atheist-Channel, but if you want something else, please tell me. I love sharing Science and Knowledge. Try Creaky Blinder, Logicked, Holy koolaid, Viced Rhino, Belief It Or Not, Genetically Modified Sceptic, Godless Grandma, Sci Man Dan and Hbomberguy. Oh, and Professor Dave. Especially the latter in Look of the currently-massively-rising Trans-Hate, making us enter a new dark-age for thel gbt+-commnity.

[@thepubliusproject]

@@nenmaster5218 a wonderful list, some i had heard of, but others I had not. Thank you so much!

[@PurpleKnightmare]

I like your old intro/outro better, the one that reminds me of PBS.

[@mcpheefan21]

16:29 I wish I could've seen the expression under that censor because I feel like it was the expression we all had at that moment. 🤣

[@MalTramp]

26:35 is just great commentary. These types of beliefs are always so self centered and unempathetic.

[@jasonsabbath6996]

Teaching belligerence? Well, they sure don't teach intelligence or critical thinking!

[@ProphetofZod]

Yeah. And when you don't teach the last two, you kind of NEED the first one.

[@MegaeffinGarchomp17]

PoZ brings a unique and nuanced approach to deconstructing christian claims. It helped me tons in me growing out of christian beliefs like those preached by this pastor. I wish I had know sooner than I didnt have yo accept that nonsense as absolute truth. I was raised, like many others, to hold on to the bible and by extension christianity (and somr aspects of judaism) as an unquestionable authority and that God was real and just even though it didn't always make sense. I cant help how I was raised, and I do wish i had seen the light at a earlier age because Im confident my life would have taken a much more liberating path. But i am glad I have seen it now instead of never. Thank you Zod for the work that you do. You have really helped educate me

[@gengar6666]

Half way through.. The preacher becomes too funny. About the time he trips on I couldn't stop laughing 😆. You staring up close after caused me to spill coffee on me ROL I forgive you :)

[@TheFoxholeLife]

The guys who had to sit through that sermon....man I will be dead by the time he finishes.

[@boterlettersukkel]

Matt Powell had a giant inflatable banana in his backyard he names Dr. Peel. Let's not forget this oe. "I'm not saying that Tommy McMurtry is sexually attracted to pumpkins, I'm just saying that we don't really know"

[@BethDiane]

When he listed all the religions, I found myself picturing the bit from the movie Airplane where the leading man lunches out a bunch of religious fundraisers.

[@Lordlaneus]

I think that the "Jesus was a wise man, but not God" position has popularity among certain moderate and progressive sects of Christianity.

[@ProphetofZod]

I wonder how many of them believe every word of how the Gospels portray him? That assumption underpins his entire argument that the idea is "dumb."

[@MatthewCaunsfield]

Well this is an interesting new take on God's motivation for convicting such a convoluted redemption plan!

[@ianmacfarlane1241]

The smug is strong with Kevin.

[@tdtexas1934]

Really appreciate your content.

[@kmarklandes8630]

The narcissism is strong in this one!