Transferrable? Pre-May? Post-86? Dewat? John Keene Explains...

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Today I am speaking with retired Master Sergeant John Keene, who is the NFA specialist for the Morphy's. Specifically, we are discussing the terminology and categories of legal machine guns in the United States. From the very common misconception of a "Class III License" (which does not exist), to the variety of terms like pre-May, post-May, pre-86, post-86, transferrable, defat, deactivated, and so forth - what do they all mean? Who can buy a machine gun, and what is the legal process for doing so? It's a complicated topic, and hopefully this discussion will make things clearer!
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[@Sedan57Chevy]

Me as a police chief: Hi yes, I need some Thompsons for my patrol officers and Colt Monitors for SWAT.

[@alt7488]

oh and my parking officers need some bar's

[@chuck2998]

Man you dont like your constituents

[@dariuszrutkowski420]

@@chuck2998 Well if it's Chicago or Inglewood it might be appropriate, just throw in a bunch of M2 and bazookas for good measure.

[@legalfictionnaturalfact3969]

@@alt7488 too late, "your" meter maids are all bleeding out in the gutter. sorry, bud.

[@trentspears9118]

We need an RPK for a patrol technical

[@andrewwaterman9240]

These talks with John are always really interesting.

[@haoxuanli8329]

Don't think the ATF now days is going to be as kind as the treasury guy was in the 50s.

[@jeanbaptistevallee4500]

The newer agents hate dogs.

[@zumkzwxwq]

It's all english yet I don't understand Why ATF, WHY

[@poloziki9990]

In my country we have something called "logopedia". The fact there is no dedicaded word for this in english is a good indicator showing what Anglosphere is thinking about this... Btw. you sholud try to watch the interview (on forgotten weapons channel) with the guy from this museum in Leed's. I think hat guy had all speech defects you can get... Topic was interesting, but it was just unwatchable!

[@overboss9599]

Why ATF indeed. I say we drop the F and replace it with a V for vapid politicians. Start regulating those gasbags like we do the 2A, maybe we actually get somewhere.

[@b.griffin317]

alphabet soup agency, that's why.

[@DonziGT230]

ATF should be a convenience store, not a government agency.

[@wlewisiii]

Using you brain instead of being told what to think by FAUX is hard. You need practice and should try it sometime, snowflake.

[@mphelps7919]

And the wise man spake unto Gun Jesus thus: There was tremendous drilling of many holes.

[@d.cypher2920]

😯😅😅😅

[@michaelkartman3543]

Amen, brother! 🙏🤙

[@robertdeen8741]

the pencil in the chamber. is that what's meant by plugging the barrel with lead?

[@PLANET123100]

Repeal NFA and ATF, Hughes, etc etc. *sigh

[@caffeinatedinsanity2324]

I'm pro-firearms as well but... Any ideas to prevent another Niklas Cruz event?

[@timharding6618]

How about figuring out why (a very small amount) of children feel their only option is to kill other kids. Ban guns= next generation learns how to build bombs= nothing is fixed.

[@charlesadams1721]

@@caffeinatedinsanity2324: there were many triggers that should have started the process to stop Cruz. However, from the president at the time, to the governor of the state, to the County administration officials, to the county educational management. to the school, to the sheriff to the actual deputy could have, would have stopped his actions. However, in some peoples view such as those named above laws don't apply to them. In fact, if you're not informed (as many in the US and almost everybody in the world that relies on CNN and the establishment media) there are multiple court actions against many of those above. Additionally, from the president to the governor, to the sheriff, they have either term limited, been thrown out of office or removed by state actions. However, the left will never admit they made a mistake, because in a real sense, the actions of Cruz were not a failure of the system, or at least THEIR system, it was a success, if only those 2nd Amendment would just shut up.

[@Blazer02LS]

The kid was reported to the local police multiple times as making threats, they did nothing. The FBI was notified at least twice that he was threatening to shoot up a school, they did nothing. On the day it happened he got out of a car and was seen on camera walking toward the school, Another school employee saw him and did nothing but report that he was walking toward the school. An on duty sheriff was at the school and did nothing. What could have stopped him? Arming the teachers could have as he would have been faced with knowing that they were armed, that alone has stopped many crimes. Having resource officers who actually do their job could have.

[@caffeinatedinsanity2324]

@@charlesadams1721 Wait wait wait... Are you speculating that the State "might" have had an eye on Cruz and "could" have anticipated that he was going to eventually snap? Are juveniles really worth their time, in their minds? And also... What do you mean by "the system is a success"?

[@chucktownattack]

I've never supported the 2A harder after watching this. What a fucking mess we've created!

[@Dee-nonamnamrson8718]

The full-auto legislation prevents the number one purpose of the 2nd amendment, which is for the purposes of a militia. And no, the national guard is NOT a militia.

[@yaboidayron1833]

@Josh Jones They also set up that part where you unseat the sitting officials once they abuse their power. In this context, biased interpretation of the constitution and civil rights violations. I think the best comedy is from the KZbin skeptics that think common sense makes someone a wanna be lawyer.

[@randymagnum143]

They weren't too keen on a large standing army.

[@reallydontlikethem]

@Sean Donovan these people are all emasculated liars, easy to control.

[@rnichol22]

People crying because they feel hard done by because they can't own a full auto gun is quite possibly thee most pathetic thing I have ever read, these are the same idiots that cry when they walk down the street with an AR15 and the police approach them.

[@reallydontlikethem]

@@rnichol22 why should you be able to purchase a vehicle that isn't street legal apples and oranges really

[@CaffeinatedFrostbite]

Imagine needing a valid reason to exercise your rights. If you had to give valid reasons to get into the voting booth people would freak

[@hannahranga]

TBH I rather enjoy my right to an education free of shooting.

[@CaffeinatedFrostbite]

Josh Jones i think the speed limit should be set 10 lower everywhere so every is actually driving the speed limit lmao

[@CaffeinatedFrostbite]

Harry King restricting a law abiding citizen of guns wont save a school. The types of gun a good person owns makes no difference. A bad person cant have them either way. Good people wont do bad things no matter how scary their gun is. School shootings are illegal. You think making more things illegal will stop them? If you do then you should seek immediate help. The columbine shooting was carried out with a tec-9. A gun that was mentioned by name in a gun ban at the time. Making something double illegal wont stop criminals from doing it.

[@CaffeinatedFrostbite]

Josh Jones so they obtained it illegally.... you cant buy a gun for someone. That isnt how it works. Your “point” is meaningless. Once again. Making something double super illegal wont stop a criminal. Thats why they are criminals.

[@reallydontlikethem]

@Josh Jones the burden of proof lies with the accuser if you demand evidence without providing an opposing source your argument is invalid, cite any sources that state that countries with strict gun regulation have less domestic and international terrorist incidents. Heres the problem, none exist. Places with strict gun regulations are the targets of terrorists and criminals because the citizens cannot defend their homeland.

[@bwxmoto]

“Shall not be infringed “ 😂

[@overboss9599]

Would be nice if they could read, wouldn't it? Esp. The part "well regulated" which at the time it was written meant "in good working order".

[@someguy9097]

Lol we are way past being infringed.

[@jenkinsonian]

I know right, any one should be able to walk into Walmart and buy a army spec M4 :/

[@deliverance2me]

@Josh Jones Is boot leather your favorite flavor?

[@overboss9599]

@@jenkinsonian according to our constitution, yep. That a problem?

[@trentspears9118]

Today I Learned the ATF still sometimes approves Form 1 MGs for non-SOTs... Still ridiculous you have to pay another $200 to reactivate an already registered and transferred MG, just because it was deactivated at some point.

[@Brigand231]

Very enjoyable, educational, and enlightening! Thanks Ian, thanks John!

[@srvanddt1]

Excellent video Ian! Answered a lot of my questions.

[@anubis432]

I'm glad this video was done, it answered a lot of questions I had

[@709badwolf]

great explanation to an often misunderstood subject,,, thanks! 👍

[@JerryEricsson]

Had a buddy who used to work on the police force with me back in the late 70's. Long after he pulled the pin he called me, and knowing I would pass the farm he now lived on, asked me to stop by when I passed through. So it was, one afternoon in the early fall of 1980, I drove down the old cowpath of a road through a pasture, through a couple of gates to the mobile home that he had set up on the few acres he had purchased from an old farmer. My wife was a friend of his from our mutual time on the PD, so they went to the kitchen for coffee, while we took our coffee back to his "gun room" he always had one of those as he was really into guns. Well he showed me the ar-15 auto sears that he built on a small milling machine he had purchased for just that purpose, and we went out back to fire some full auto AR's, then he opened a rifle hard case he had brought along out, and pulled out an old WWII German machine gun in 8mm Kurtz. He had built up loads, and purchased the loading dies for the caliber, so we could fire off a few rounds each keeping some cow pies airborne for a bit, it was great fun. I asked where he had found the machine gun, he said he got it off the reservation, as his land was deeded land on the Cheyenne River Sioux Reservation. You see, the Sioux are a warring tribe, always have been, always will be. To that means, most of the young men do their 3 years in the military. Back in WWII this was still the case, and the reservation is the home to probably more illegal machine guns then any other area of the USA. Well it was back in the 80's and I have yet to hear of a crack down by the BATF. Sadly all his guns were lost in a terrible fire that swept through his mobile home a couple of years later, he has since given up on survival-ism and the gun trade, and now makes his living as a black smith. A man of many talents.

[@icannon6611]

These are they only forgotten weapons videos I hate, it's great Ian is making these videos to educate people on a very complicated and nonsensical process, but that process should not be there in the first place

[@john-paulsilke893]

Bror Kriger I’m definitely torn about these ludicrous licensing conditions. I don’t want douche bags and criminals to get machine guns for obvious reasons. This stupid process slows of prevents this. However a couple good ol’boys on the farm having some laughs should still be able to buy a machine gun and have some giggles and blow up pumpkins and soda cans. In any case the government is obviously incompetent and a gun advocacy business should be established for these things with a modest fee associated with such transactions to my mind. For me they shouldn’t be easily available, but I’m a dirty pig in the middle between both sides of this issue. It is to my mind a shame people who want machine guns must have $10,000 or more just to enter the full auto game.

[@john-paulsilke893]

Also, I am not the least interested in select fire guns as I had a butt load in the army and never found any legitimate use other then fun and giggles other then mounted guns. That being said, assuming no crime is suspected, go nuts for all I care and shoot away all your money, I may join you occasionally because it’s fun.

[@Tobascodagama]

Informative as always, I love these videos.

[@aboringsandwich]

Shame the government can't just interpret "shall not be infringed" as it is written...

[@reallydontlikethem]

@Colin Cleveland an unregulated militia are bandits, an unregulated firearms market doesn't violate any moral or ethical norms, it just hurts peoples feelings and especially those of ignorant people.

[@MJOLNIR49]

@Colin Cleveland We need a well regulated militia then, but we can't have one if we can't have arms because our right the bear them was infringed.

[@CB-dp1zs]

The militia of the day were the people. No one issued out weapons to the volunteers that were called up to fight for the independence of the country. The military arsenals alone were not able to protect the country from Indians, foreign entities, or false claims on territory or trade rights. The second amendment is there to keep the people of this country armed.

[@aboringsandwich]

@Colin Cleveland "well regulated" in the context of the times meant in good working order... like a clock...

[@aboringsandwich]

The second amendment... like the rest of the bill of rights... was written to restrict government... not the people...

[@SoMDHarleyRider]

Awesome informative video. Thanks Ian!

[@UKMilitaria]

Great video. It's always interesting to see the laws in the US and other countries

[@wesleytownsend8214]

Ian himself is a rare and amazing artifact and I wish there were more humans like this selfless individual. I wish him all the best and I wish he achieves all he wants. In one hundred years this man will be in history books... or should be.

[@teaser6089]

Id love to see a series about all the types of guns and explain them in multiple video's.

[@williestyle35]

Ian is already doing that, on the mechanical aspects that differentiate types of guns.

[@debbiestarnes758]

Correction Needed. 01 (dealer) SOT's require a love letter for ANY post sample gun. Only manufacturers (07) and importers (08) can buy out of business NFA posts' without CLEO letter. 27 CFR 479.105

[@alexmccauley503]

Thank you to Mr. Keene for sharing all this knowledge with the greater shooting and collecting community, it is invaluable information.

[@rifles_up2263]

This really could be a college level course… And I would take it👌🏾

[@jasonsilkowski7282]

It makes me feel sick. Especially the post 86 stuff.

[@romeosgenericchannel3971]

same. the nfa and hughes amendment are the biggest outright infringement on our rights and it makes me sick. if it were free speech or voting that was being jacked with and regulated like this there would be a fucking war but when its our private right to own weapons that is being infringes oh well who cares right. everyone will when we lose our rights and freedoms they will lool back on this and cry.

[@wofwof007]

Entertaining and informative, thank you.

[@rednecksniper4715]

There was a pre may MP-40 at knob creek last week for only $15,000

[@MarksmanTV]

When you reactivate a dewat do you have to engrave your trust name etc into the receiver? On the new form does it transfer with you or your trust as the manufacturer?

[@Siskiyous6]

I for one would love to attend that college level masters course if you ever set it up. Of all of this scheme the part I dislike most is the Hughes Amendment farce. Also, Mr Keene has proven to be a very helpful and informative gentleman.

[@JohnLeePedimore]

The more I learn about full auto guns the less I care about owning one. Great video though.

[@12345NoNamesLeft]

If you are legal, do it. They outperform any realestate or stocks or bonds as an investment

[@TimThompson19791979]

@@12345NoNamesLeft Until somebody breaks into your home.

[@overboss9599]

@@TimThompson19791979 then they help you renovate your house into an " open floor plan" oh, and get rid of the robbers too I guess....

[@snek9353]

@@12345NoNamesLeft Until the law changes or is made moot by other means.

[@drunkswithguns4124]

@@snek9353 doesnt ever look like thats gonna happen. At most they could ban the transferables outright, they definitely wont re open the registry

[@richardsheil3503]

A video on the physical machins gun ownership process....very detailed

[@ontarget1312]

Great informative video; thanks

[@charles_wipman]

Here in Spain you can buy any deactivated firearm if, you're an adult; that means that you must be at least 18yo. The ARs use to have three holes on the downside of the barrel near the chamber or straight into the chamber sometimes and have a welded, filed or removed firing ping, but you don't need any license or anything; just send or show a copy of your ID to the dealer and that's all.

[@matthayward7889]

Would be interesting to hear what’s involved in becoming registered as an FFL SOT dealer or manufacturer. I assume if it was easy, everyone would be doing it. As always, a pleasure listening to Mr Keene.

[@3of11]

Matt Hayward a lot of people have tried and gotten into various amounts of Trouble trying to get FFL SOTs for the purpose of just acquiring pre and post sample MGs. Aside from paying taxes on these licenses every year the ATF expects you to actually be “in business”. Storefront. Advertising. Sales. Almost like getting a liquor license. You also run into local zoning business laws (you can’t just run it out your garage). Now some FFLs are grandfathered in as home businesses (kitchen top FFLs)

[@matthayward7889]

3of11 thanks! Makes sense 👍

[@stefanmolnapor910]

I know if FL , you must have a store front/ active legit business of sale. I stoped reading after that as I do not live in a place that I would feel comfortable owning a gun store.

[@jeffthompson5281]

Thanks guys good info to know!!

[@pemjoe]

Thank you Ian for bringing him back. I wish I ran in your circles. If only I was rich. People, when they talk about what they would do if they were rich they say they would move to Hawaii or something. I always say I would move to the south and start a trust and collect machine guns.

[@Matthew-Graves]

So how does it work if you have two private citizens who want to transfer a gun in the same state, do you have to use a dealer since once the paper work comes through the original owner now has a machine gun registered to someone else, or is there an exemption for that?

[@phillipgriffin]

Ian, I have a question. An individual that I know has access to a transferable vet bring back MP 40 that the legal heir does not want anything to do with, And the heir refuses to assist with the transference of tax stamp registration. Are there any options to legally transfer the tax stamp on this gun without the assistance of the legal heir?

[@rjmiller8330]

Master Sargent Keene, You keep saying it would require a master level class to understand. Why don’t you and morphy auction house make one and put it on the web? Break it down to manageable classes. For example, I’m interested in buying that batch of JC Higgens shotguns and and twenty twos. I’m tired of going to my ffl dealer to the paperwork every freaking time. I think there’s a collector’s ffl but I don’t know what to do (not that the atf would do anything to make that process more difficult or maybe we do need 12,000 plus pages of regulation to define what is a lever action gun and what isn’t. Just a question, do anyone out know what makes up a lever action?) I’d, as cheap as I am, to fork over a little cash for that info.

[@seansang4589]

Appreciate the excellent info thx 💯

[@bingobongo8657]

How would the pre 86 dealer sample transfers to lawful heirs work? as in the state of wisconsin we still have the CLEO letter requirement sadly

[@JackGirard1]

Very informative!

[@kirkstinson7316]

The real shame of all this is the WWII bring back trophy MGs that didnt get registered in the amnisty. There are still a bunch out there that can NEVER be legally owned. Ive heard (years ago) of an MG34 on anti aircraft mount with all accessories in an old ladies attic. Her husband never registered it. Another was an STG44 that hung behind a bar in up state NY for years. One day it was gone. The old man passed and the son took it down and turned it in. It was never registered. Lots of vets did NOT eant government in their business even nack then

[@sicsempertyrannis8159]

Unfortunately in MA you need a state machinegun license which is just a cash grab. They make you basically go through the pistol permit process twice, in addition you need 2 separate alarms 1 for the house and a second on the room/vault that the firearm is stored in.

[@byrdland5790]

Depending on the gun the alarm thing might as well be a given Depending on the value.

[@lagoboy2000]

The Machine Gun License is a may-issue card which individual licensing authority impose additional requirements for. Although, many do issue them to C&R FFLs so not impossible.

[@NekoWinters]

Thank you so much for this!!!!! I get asked so much as someone in law enforcement that's known to be a collector myself.

[@glautreu8431]

I would very much enjoy a graduate level course on this topic and I’m sure I’m not alone.

[@MrMinigun457]

What about unregistered deactivated machine gun? Can you register it and get it up and running again?

[@romeosgenericchannel3971]

been waiting for this for a long time, really a shit ton of misconceptions about legal machine guns and how and who can own and transfer them. Thank you so much for this awesome information and video! great stuff! and maybe that was their intention. Lets make it so expensive and so complicated no one bothers to mess with it and soon enough, it will be forgotten. Here we are on forgotten weapons lol repeal nfa and hughes amendment. thank me later

[@Chris-pb3se]

I’m leaving uzi’s to all my kids at my funeral. Last one standing gets everything

[@Curtislow2]

It will be interesting to see how people will perceive this and video like it in 50 years.

[@thissisawesome4853]

"我不敢相信白人已经灭绝了。 真可惜。"

[@pscwplb]

I noticed a lack of ads on this one. Didn't even try to get it past the demonetization bot, eh?

[@matthewspencer5086]

There were two, annoying, ads on it in the UK. In the UK, you even get ads on China Uncensored occasionally, mostly from Japanese companies and tourist boards. For some reason, the ads with Forgotten Weapons are usually to do with computer games, which I stopped playing in about 1983. If you are seriously interested in firearms, there are few things more maddening than game adverts, which may be why KZbin does it.

[@ryanpeck3377]

Forgotten Weapons and InRange have demonetized their channels completely themselves. They don’t even bother with any videos. If their are ad’s thats just youtube itself and no money goes to Ian or Karl

[@matthewspencer5086]

@@ryanpeck3377 If that's true, I can skip the buggers with a clear conscience.

[@williestyle35]

Ryan, only InRangeTV is self demonitized. Forgotten Weapons takes in whatever yt makes available.

[@slan]

I am a former FFL 07/02 and I would like to extrapolate on John's explanation on relinquishing post samples. When an FFL/SOT decides to surrender their license, the BATF gives a window of time that post samples MG's need to either be sold, destroyed or otherwise transferred. If you decide to transfer/ sell them to another FFL/SOT, THEY MUST BE AN SOT CLASS 2. IF they are not (such as Class 3), they must still obtain a letter of demonstration. NFA items are a rather convoluted system with many strange caveats.

[@Andyhoots]

The guy said that asan 07/02 manufacturer, that the law letter doesn’t apply at all! Even an 07/02 to 07/02 transfer

[@slan]

@@Andyhoots The law latter does not apply if the transferee is am FFL 07/02 or an FFL 08/01, FFL 11/01. Class 3 SOT's must still obtain a Law Letter, thus there is no point in Class 03's pursuing "No Law Letter" Dealer Samples as obtaining and approving such a letter is not an expeditious process. Say for example an FFL 07/02 constructs a select fire UZI. They file a Form 2 and the ATF approves the manufacture of a Post Sample that is tied to the personal registry of that licensee. If said licensee wants to sell or transfer it to another FFL 07/02 ( outside of the scope of business closure) then the receiving FFL 07/02 must obtain a law letter with their Form 3 (Tax Exempt Transfer).

[@Andyhoots]

@@slan thanks for the info. I recently spoke with an 07/02 who has been an sot for only 2 years. He said he bought a registered post sample from another 07/02 who built the post sample. without a law letter of any sort. The 07/02 he purchased from was renewing his sot. (When I mentioned if he had a law letter he said he had no clue what a law letter was). I was wondering how this was possible. Because from all my reading. It wasn’t possible to acquire without in that instance.

[@kevinhighsmith5376]

"Let's sit on this sofa to do this video" "Naaaah"

[@breemsfreems8209]

the entire process is unconstitutional

[@Orcawhale1]

Yeah and what are you going to do about it? Nothing, like the 30th times before that.. Look at the ppl in Hong Kong, they don't have access to firearms, but yet they are still fighting back? What are you guys doing? Sitting on your ass, complaining about it, all the while watching youtube and eating shit, lol.

[@sbreheny]

What does the 36270 hashtag mean (just above the title)?

[@TrapperPingu]

#repealNFA&ATF

[@TrapperPingu]

These unconstitutional laws should never have existed and all put in law illegally. The shadiest one has to be the Hughes Amendment. FFS it didn't even pass the House in April 10th 1986 yet somehow it went thought. literally prove it didn't pass... www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2662947/posts video... kzbin.info/www/bejne/l2ewqWWLmLh4rLM Or full 4 part vimeo.com/19173055 vimeo.com/19163920 vimeo.com/19179485 vimeo.com/19185561

[@onelonecelt9168]

I do not think that the 14th Amendment was ratified either, but here we are...

[@DRNewcomb]

Fascinating.

[@BigxCat]

Small correction, if an FFL/SOT is giving up his licenses and thus his post-86 machine guns they can only sell them to manufacturers or importers without a law letter. An FFL/SOT dealer still needs to get a law letter.

[@bretnmannn]

But a 07/02 manufacturer doesn't need a demo letter to make , but they have 24 hrs the register is on a form2 to the ATF

[@rednecksniper4715]

I was at Knob creek last weekend almost bought an MP44 for $25,000

[@Voimakas]

I was also there. Picked up a Timney trigger and some m14 mags. Did you ride on the Huey?

[@rednecksniper4715]

Voimakas no didn’t want to wait if I had $3,000 I would have got that Warner and Swasey Springfield WW1 sniper that was there only thing I bought was an original 1907 sling for my 1897 trench gun

[@rhabenic]

Hope those Kurds made it out of the firefight at Knob Creek alright...

[@rednecksniper4715]

Ray Habenicht lol

[@rednecksniper4715]

Ray Habenicht they had 7 M2’s going off at the same time along with several 1919’s an M60 a PPSH an STG and a mini gun you could feel the ground shaking beneath your feet it was glorious

[@PlayerSalt]

great video

[@SuperMarshall2009]

Can a Pre-86 dealer sample become a C&R? if it's 50 years old?

[@robertdeen8741]

Wish it were so up here north of the 49th. was once given a Mk2 Sten. Can't say anymore on that. Along with not having a 2nd, nor do we have a 4th amendment. You folks are very fortunate, not that Canada is all that bad.

[@ronbednarczyk2497]

I have seen on Gunbroker a STEN Mk V listed as Post 86 Dealer Sample with the requirement for a LE Demo Letter to Transfer. It would be highly questionable for a law enforcement organization to sign a demo letter for a STEN. Why would a WWII STEN be a Post 86 Dealer Sample?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

A licensed manufacturer can make a full auto Sten, but they can only transfer it to someone with a demo letter. They would make it (presumably) because Sten parts kits are cheap and they wanted to have it to shoot.

[@222foont]

The chauchat is the LAST firearm I would re-activate! It died for a reason. Cheers Ian!

[@rockhardin4829]

love this guy :)

[@andrewdriver3318]

TBH I'm more worried about a Sheriff wanting to buy an m60 than a private citizen...

[@fudj12]

Can you do a video on form 1, please. Cheers

[@shawnr771]

Great information. Thank you.

[@MatthewDoye]

I always enjoy listening to the conversations with MSgt Keene (retd.). Knowledge that's never been likely to apply to me, as till interesting though.

[@DonziGT230]

Can a deactivated machine gun be a post '86 and never registered as a transferable machine gun? The details surrounding deactivated guns wasn't clear to me.

[@williestyle35]

Yes, sort of. Any machine gun that exists has to be on the registry, there is a separate section for deactivated weapons.

[@albdavidt1335]

Awesome!

[@bretnmannn]

A sot dealer needs a DEMO letter but a 07/02 manufacturer dosnt need a demo letter to make

[@caffeinatedinsanity2324]

Cobray, it's all your fault. "Street Sweeper"... What were you thinking buddy?

[@overboss9599]

Cobray: what? We where marketing to janitors, they need a way to get those damned people to stay off the freshly mopped floors....

[@FerdinandFake]

George costanza really knows his gun laws

[@rnichol22]

And as a UK citizen I am even more staggered how easy it appears to be to get weapons in the US. Americans are like god damn this is a pain in tge ass lol. By the way I love guns

[@billbolton]

And I thought any American could walk into Walmart and walk out with a quart of milk and a machine gun....maybe I'll not emigrate, everything sounds too complicated.

[@stefanmolnapor910]

Dont, were full!

[@QuackSuperStar]

Great Video! Just curious though, what's everyone's fraviote machine gun in terms of fun shootong and coolness factor at the range?

[@jordo641]

I used to know an old missionary with an FFL.. Once a year he'd bring out his Mini-14 that he had outfitted with a fun-switch and that was some of the most fun I've had shooting, lol

[@91chevys10]

What are they going to do in 17 years when post-86 guns start becoming C&R eligible?

[@philllax1719]

Find an excuse

[@ricciisreal5773]

Good expiation, I think. His voice comes out a little muffled and softer at times.

[@kaleblee6711]

What letter do you need to acquire full auto from a police department if you are an 07-2?

[@haroldlee4037]

Ok, so what is the legal status of a deactivated war trophy that has been reactivated? Is it transferable?

[@williestyle35]

It would be transferable only if it was already on the registry *before* being deactivated, usually. Machine guns have to be on the registry to be sold to civilians, though C & R has different exceptions. There is another video on the buying or finding a machine gun.

[@iSAAConrad]

Ian/John, what is the deal with modern imports where the entirety of the gun is old enough to qualify for c&r? Not just machine guns, but like older select fire battle rifles neutered for civilian consumption? It’s kinda goofy that things like hk91 and clones, even though the receivers are relatively new and made in US bc of import, but are functionally identical to the rifle as made in 1964. All these laws are ridiculous as firearms have not really gotten any more complex since 1970.

[@bretnmannn]

He should have said FORM 5 GUNS ARE guns that go to your estate and to people in your Will !

[@JoeyP322]

They should have another amnesty month...

[@zacharyfrench9935]

Wish I could afford a full auto just looked man this things are expensive even for one that's a hundred years old

[@b.griffin317]

27:30 they'd probably swat him today.

[@birgerjohansson8010]

Going off on a tangent, John looks so much like European author Stanislaw Lem it is almost uncanny. 😊

[@heisenberg1817]

Fuck me im glad y’all covered Minnesota because shit here is always really vague it pains me to hear that you can only buy c&r guns here

[@yaboidayron1833]

All these angry comments, not one single refusal to comply. Don't comply. Maybe if nobody complied, this would be a legitimate fight to take up. as of right now, it's just internet bitching that you've been cowed by your government.

[@CDP-1802]

You can have any C&R Machine gun from history, what will it be? Only Ian McCollum: .....Chauchat...

[@3of11]

CDP 1802 whatever is the most valuable... sell it.

[@onelonecelt9168]

Well, if you go through all the paperwork and pay the tax, might as well get what you want.

[@protonnoname9101]

What part of well regulated don’t you understand?

[@drysori]

So, You say there's a chance?

[@hunterbrown9256]

Requirements for owning a machine gun: be an American citizen. That’s all it should be

[@edwardteach3000]

Umm, no.

[@Bernesemtdog]

Matt Fortman Umm yes? There’s literally nothing stopping anyone who knows anything about firearms mechanics from making machine guns except the law, same with Short barreled rifles, shotguns, etc. you can make an AK Or AR a machine gun (according to what the ATF says at least) with a Wire coat hanger. And in an AR-15s case by drilling a 1/8th hole in a certain spot, yes just a small hole will land you with a felony charge. Rifles are rarely used in crimes in general anyways and I would feel safer if everyone had a Machine gun and was equally armed with body armor. And then I doubt anyone would dare try to break in to someone’s home

[@BaltasarShepard]

He looks like Bob Saget's dad

[@DanielTitley]

What is the valid Law Enforcement use for an M60 machine gun?

[@dothwalrus370]

Chicago school hall monitor needs to protect students somehow.

[@jasonsilkowski7282]

Using deadly force and intimidation to prevent good, law abiding citizens from owning theirs.

[@stevewilson4514]

Dealing with cartels along the southern border.

[@jorgschimmer8213]

First time something ist more complicated in the US then in Germany.😅

[@eberbacher007]

yeah, germany, just all banned

[@z3r0_35]

To think I nearly inherited a transferable M16 from my step-grandfather, only to lose it because some asshat neighbor stole it right after he died and skipped town.