Transformers 2: Revenge of the Pointless

[@Robbstark2024]

I love how Optimus goes from “give me your face” and ripping the guy’s heart out and crushing it in front of his face to heroic “all life is sacred” about 2 minutes later

[@redline841]

Optimus out here Spoiling a ton of deaths in the JoJos

[@michaelsimpson1224]

Honestly I’d love to see Bay’s deranged war criminal Optimus return to the franchise as a multiverse Shattered Glass villain Knightverse Optimus or another faithful adaptation has to defeat a broken, nihilistic murder machine version of himself and come to terms with his own views on the Transformers’ endless war

[@gokbay3057]

Decepticons don't count.

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

thats like saying "i just shot and killed a sadistic serial killer. therefore i cannot be pro life". i think a few lives dont count in that equation. the fallen was a psycho planning genocide of any race that got in his way

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

@@michaelsimpson1224 murder machine? he only ever kills the main villains of each movie, and they were genuinely terrible robots planning genocide

[@zente3003]

"Instead he looks like he wants to blow up Mata Nui." The Fallen's revenge is for being dropped in the wrong franchise.

[@ntq6887]

It's revenge for the humans for killing Bionicle. RIP best Lego franchise 2001 - 2010 ✊

[@minterdaly1265]

Seems to have had a Devil May Cry feel to begin with.

[@janbittner1465]

@@ntq6887 There was also the reboot.

[@Lunarchy421]

@@janbittner1465 it was bad though

[@janbittner1465]

@@Lunarchy421 The lore was bad, the sets actually got pretty cool.

[@verticaltoast2488]

The idea of Megatron bringing his dad to the playground is even funnier when you know that the fallen's real name is Megatronus

[@memegod9982]

That means there's a Megatron extended family, and I live that idea.

[@abnormallylargemonkey9334]

@@memegod9982 does that mean megatronus is optimus dad too

[@ARG0T]

This comment chain is probably a joke, but it's still wrong In the Transformers: Prime continuity (which also includes the War For Cybertron and Fall Of Cyberton games), Megatron became a gladiator and named himself after Megatronus. When he got into politics to propose a new future for his planet, he shortened it to Megatron. This isn't canon to the Bay films, but it's the better canon so who cares

[@ajlomax603]

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[@cgt3704]

@@abnormallylargemonkey9334 i would like to imagine Optimus' name was given by his mom, and she wed Megatronus afterwards. And so we have Megatron and Optimus having a step sibling relationship

[@CrouTheBlackwing]

I love how Megatron gets one cheap shot in and is all "yOu'Re sO wEaK oPtImUs" despite Optimus having just spent several minutes bodying him and Starscream up and down the forest

[@insomnia35rex48]

The reason megatron calls him weak because he saved Sam instead of saving himself and megtron sees that as weakness

[@themediumcheese]

to be fair that is totally in character for megatron

[@CrouTheBlackwing]

@insomnia35 Rex I feel like he'd have said it earlier in the fight if that was really why

[@CrouTheBlackwing]

@@themediumcheese fair point

[@juanignaciomesiasmolina7977]

​@@insomnia35rex48 so megatron is lockdown now

[@Godzilla00X]

I remember when I saw it in theater this 7 year old kid cried as his mom dragged him out after she loudly complained about all the sex jokes. That moment got a bigger laugh than any of the jokes in the movie

[@KolchaksGhost]

Justice for that kid

[@wisksk8550]

@@KolchaksGhost #justiceforthatkid

[@darken2417]

Based mother. But no lots of that stuff was gross af. Sure have the girl in poses fine, but why the hell would they add the ugh... humping? Bleh!

[@zerozeroone4424]

Karen moment

[@lylelylecrocodile2538]

@@KolchaksGhost #justiceforthatkid

[@chrisdaughen5257]

Something to note about Optimus is how he gets progressively angrier at mankind in each movie, only to say he will always be dedicated to protect them by each ending.

[@troodon1096]

Well to be fair, the only thing that surprised me was how long that took.

[@MutantsInDisguise]

Poor Optimus.

[@DestroyerApollyon]

@@MutantsInDisguise Optimus Prime, the violent and cynical leader of the Autobots. Yeah, “poor Optimus” Man was a freaking librarian, he has no excuse to be that violent.

[@MutantsInDisguise]

@@DestroyerApollyon worse, Larry prevented his brother, Peter, from playing the very kind of hero he was warned about. The magic of Optimus Prime wqs the he was an aspirational hero who was wise, stoic, and compassionate; all Bay and the writers did was make him tge typical tough guy who solves his problems through violence and blood.

[@materuxermer4919]

@@DestroyerApollyon in this universe he was Knight

[@Khilkhameth]

Fun fact: that actually is the same voice for Soundwave as the 80's cartoon, but this multi-million dollar production couldn't be arsed to apply the same distortion effect after recording.

[@Daltinian95]

Or a simple vocoder that you can download at home for free. Frank Welker essentially uses his Dr Claw voice for G1 Soundwave and the live action movies, but in G1 it was filtered through that vocoder. There was a mistake in one episode where he says "excellent ravage" in that Dr Claw voice.

[@halfmettlealchemist8076]

And then Bumblebee made Soundwave cool again

[@ripleyandweeds1288]

these people had a multi million dollar budget.

[@YouTubeYosh]

@@Daltinian95 Oh my goodness. I remember that exact line!

[@pharoahcaraboo9610]

genuinely boggles the mind they nabbed welker to do soundwave and didnt get him to do megatron until the very last movie LOL. same shit as starscream's voice actor. talented va doing their job, post production slaps a very awful distortion over the voice.

[@Laserprinter1]

"Optimus and the Autobots teamed up with the ATF because the decepticons forgot to pay their taxes" Funniest thing I've heard all day

[@andreyradchenko8200]

It also explains all the massacres and brutality.

[@coolrotaryphone]

The IRS don't play around

[@garyeggins9878]

@@coolrotaryphone even joker knows that

[@Squoobered]

explains the entire plot. the transformers forgot to pay their taxes. the us hates them now. end of plot

[@superbodoque7860]

Which is funny because in one continuity the reason the seekers have the same body as Starscream is so he could have body doubles to trick the not-IRS because he doesn't pay taxes 💀

[@EmperorTigerstar]

It’s how you first learned the true grim and dark reality of the real (cinematic) world.

[@mosterchife6045]

In the grimdark world of modern cinema, there is only shitty fart jokes

[@TheStonedZone]

@@mosterchife6045 We must purge the heretics, brother! Burn them in holy hellfire.

[@RealRexRiplash]

@@mosterchife6045 [Music abruptly stops] Awkward... [I JUST WANNA FEEL THIS MOMENT]

[@triggeredcat120]

@@mosterchife6045 Yeah it’s always “PEEPEE POOPOO FUNNY FARTS GO FFFTTTT!!”

[@mosterchife6045]

@@triggeredcat120 This video sums it up pretty nicely kzbin.infoVM1JiZYNbkM?feature=share

[@TheGriffin1999]

Not gonna lie the “Hey that hurt” “It’s supposed to hurt it’s a ass kicking” Line will always make me laugh

[@halfmettlealchemist8076]

Yeah, that’s a pretty funny exchange. If only literally everything else about those characters was as funny.

[@disconnected22]

It’s my favorite bit.

[@LouseGrouse]

This film did have some one-off bits of dialogue that are funny. Jetfire’s “My grandfather was a wheel, the *first* wheel! Do you know what he transformed into? *NOTHIIIIIING!* BUT HE DID SO WITH HONOUR! DIGNITY!” brings me so much joy. (Optimus saying “pull over” kinda has fun silly original cartoon vibes too? kinda?) Does this redeem the film? No lmao absolutely not.

[@halfmettlealchemist8076]

@@LouseGrouse "MY GRANDFATHER WAS A WHEEL!" is honestly a top-tier comedic line. Right up there with "There isn't a tighter shirt! _We checked!"_ There are legitimately good moments in this movie, to be sure. They're just drowning under an endless sea of sex jokes and incomprehensible CGI effects that look like Chaos Entities from beyond the Warp.

[@Jaxymann]

@@halfmettlealchemist8076 "If my grandmother had wheels, she would have been a bike!"

[@zachm5485]

I like how Arcee is in the top five most favorite autobots in the series and even was planned to appear in the first movie, but here, her whole existence is a background character who gets murdered in cold blood

[@moinuddinqureshi8804]

Right. I hated that. And her design alone could have helped her shine and stand out. Combine that with a good character personality and she would've been a fan favorite. Like Arcee form Transformers Prime.

[@ivanlopezjr.2137]

Same goes for poor Elita-1 and Chroma. It's really upsetting to see them just get thrown away like they didn't even matter. People like them and they have just ignore them for no reason. At least now a days you see love for the fembots which pretty good.

[@moinuddinqureshi8804]

@@ivanlopezjr.2137 Right. I had no idea they were in the movie.

[@astrowolvez]

I only recently found out that was arcee and I just could not believe it. The god awful design, the way she dies immediately! Ho boy.

[@shawndashno6022]

Truth is guys, and I'm DEAD serious. They scrapped female Autobots because they didn't want to have to explain gender and TF's reproduction. Ya! Then you remember Micheal Bay saying his movies DON'T suck, he makes them for teenage boys!! Yet apparently knows NOTHING about females or reproduction 😂😂 God, that kills me!!😂😂 As if that's the questions that would be raised. No non transformers fan is going to this movie to discuss sex ed! Especially for an ALIEN species!!! They damn well wanna see there favorite characters though, and you know they know exactly who Arcee is! Or Elita-1 (Ariel if your ready for a deep cut 😁) or Chromia! The way these movies talk down to us, makes me wonder how they made the $$$ they did. Says a lot about the state of good action cinema I guess. At least Bumblebee was good. Fingers crossed for RoTB!! Ok, rant over lol, but really. I don't think Bay knows how to depict an actual woman anyway, aside from "Boobs an butts!!," so maybe we dodged a bullet.

[@Jaxymann]

I don't know why but the shot of Sentinel Prime screaming *"NO OPTIMUS!"* before his robo-brains are blown to Kingdom Come being used as a jump cut makes me laugh so hard I turn into an athsmatic iron lung patient every time. It's *indescribably* fucking funny.

[@pinstripecool34]

Ikr everyone Ive ever seen watch that part of the movie always laugh their asses off at that scene. Probably because of the fact that it’s so out of pocket for optimus’ character.

[@void-qu4ce]

The way you wrote your comment makes me laugh like a hyena

[@nkhan4813]

i always expect to hear a dodgeball ping sound in that scene for some reason

[@tmac731]

@@pinstripecool34it wasn’t out of character

[@Ligmaballin]

​@@pinstripecool34Is it though? Optimus is a war veteran, and Sentinel killed his best buddies. Optimus doesn't forgive betrayal. And that's a thing i actually liked about the movies, each movie he gets more angry and pessimistic cause he just keeps getting stabbed in the back both by humans and deceptions.

[@ToaArcan]

"There isn't a tighter shirt. We checked" followed by a fist-bump is like the single bright spot in this fucking movie.

[@ggrarl]

That might be the one funny joke, apart from maybe Jetfire's ramblings, but there are others things to like. I actually enjoyed some of the fights: Optimus Prime (conveniently by himself) vs. Megatron, Starscream, and Grindor...Soundwave sending Ravage to infiltrate Diego Garcia...the Contructicons and Scalpel resurrecting Megatron...the evil monologue between Megatron, Starscream, and The Fallen...one thing I liked was that they gave the Transformers more personality and more screentime, but at what cost? Oh well, the RotF game on Xbox was fun. Sideways was Bender, the Autobots got an F-35 named Breakaway, only the humans necessary to advance the plot were there...

[@mrscruffles801]

Dude the rotf game on ps3/xbox360 is underrated as FUCK! The sequence of events in the game make more sense than in the movie too.

[@dragonmaster3030]

@@mrscruffles801 personally I prefer fall of Cybertron but that one's not bad at all either

[@mrscruffles801]

@@dragonmaster3030 They're both fantastic in their own right

[@redornament3248]

@@dragonmaster3030 ngl War for/Fall of Cybertron were both awesome back in the day

[@GenericProtagonist118]

"Nobody gets along in Bay movies." Oh my God.... You.... You cracked it. YOU CRACKED THE CODE!!!

[@lonewulv13]

The Autobots got along- that's what counts. Don't mention Skids and Mudflap. Don't you dare.

[@mkultra2456]

@@lonewulv13 Why not? Those two Ebonics speaking Transformers are epic.

[@stellathefoxgirl3648]

@@lonewulv13 even those two did get along in a way, like two near constantly fighting siblings that still care about eachother

[@halfmettlealchemist8076]

You did it, you broke Michael Bay movies down to their bare essentials!

[@mkultra2456]

@@halfmettlealchemist8076 Most of 'em got along in the first movie.

[@theodorehodbor5080]

One thing I always thought was funny about these movies was how in each installment the already-kinda convoluted Transformers deep lore just keeps getting compounded more and more to get bigger and bigger stakes until it's a jumbled incomprehensible mess. Like finally arriving at Transformers 5 with Quintessa shouting about being Transformer-God in the back of my mind I thought "Hey, where does the Jesus Cube and Grandpa Decepticon factor into all this again? Weren't they supposed to be important in all of this?"

[@charmandyorton006]

“He transformed for your sins”

[@cyberninjazero5659]

Ironically that's perfectly in spirit of the original G1 Lore "ahh the Transformers are just robots and the decepticons are war bots trying to fulfill their nature, no wait they have robot souls and there's this thing called the matrix of leadership and they were made by Primus, no wait they were made by this old guy called Omnicron who also made Unicron, NO WAIT"

[@papapalps2415]

@@cyberninjazero5659 ....Uh, what? So far as I'm aware/can remember, and it admittedly has been a very, very long time since I last really sat down and watched G1, Primus wasn't even so much as mentioned. Out of universe, he didn't even fucking exist yet. He was introduced in the comics, again, so far as I recall, and later introduced more broadly later on. Nor are sparks or such a G1 thing, either, they are Beast Wars. Unless you just mean that canon as a whole, but even then. The cartoon continuity, just on the face of it, not counting the obscure Japanese shit nobody cares about, wasn't exactly rocket science.

[@anecro]

Quintessa doesn't do anything beyond disrespecting the original lore. How about Cybertron clearly being destroyed in the third movie and coming back as if nothing happened? Or humanity basically having done absolutely nothing by themselves, always babysitted by some transformer throughout history despite a trillion tons of evidence that it wasn't meant to be this way in the previous movies? Quintessa is such a tiny issue in my opinion.

[@cyberninjazero5659]

@@papapalps2415 Primus doesn't appear by name but The Matrix of Leadership *somehow* comes about after the creator of Unicron gets betrayed by him, it just rises from his body and blasts off into space. The Matrix of Leadership itself was pulled from the comics and there it has an actual origin with Primus and all that Sparks were conceived for the G1 series before they decided to lift the Matrix from the comics, Optimus was going to give his "Life Spark" to Ultra Magnus in the Movie

[@20teamplayer]

I have to confess that Revenge of the Fallen will always have a nostalgic place in my mind since my 12 year old self didn't understand story structure and just saw the big explosions, cool robots, and hot babes. Back when life was simple LoL.

[@negire339]

can relate

[@vanhelsing4674]

that's me

[@dankerbell]

the perfectly cut "NO OPTIMUS" gets me every time

[@Jaxymann]

Sentinel Prime: exists Optimus: *Your free trial of life has expired. BLAM.*

[@clintelkins9630]

No optimus *vineboom*

[@rstar3457]

@@Jaxymann to be fair sentinel did disintegrate one of his best friends

[@BigBoy257]

@@rstar3457 I’ll admit, Sentinel probably deserved his fate for the horrible things he did, but killing him like that is just out of character for Optimus. Especially considering the fact that Sentinel was his former mentor. Actually, it is pretty in character for this Optimus, but not for the depictions of him that we all love

[@bZman]

@@BigBoy257 Optimus in these movies is so far from classic Optimus it is hilarious. This Optimus is one stubbed toe away from "kill them all" mentality at ALL TIMES!

[@Kaotic_real]

Fun fact: The reason Arcee, Elita-1, and Chomera were killed off was because Micheal Bay didn’t feel like explaining female Transformers (even though Hasbro themselves don’t have a good explanation for them)

[@halfmettlealchemist8076]

OMG, based?????

[@aetheriox463]

hasbro's explanation: they exist because feminists complained about all the robots looking male

[@HollowPurple-if2co]

@@aetheriox463 what is bro talking about

[@aetheriox463]

@@HollowPurple-if2co no thats literally their reason as to why arcee was added in the movie and the comics. feminists were complaining that all the transformers were male presenting (probably a waste of time but i dont judge) and so hasbro was like "fine, heres your female transformer" and made her generic at first, but then actually made her an interesting character as time went on

[@HollowPurple-if2co]

@@aetheriox463 proof?

[@theangrydweller1002]

i remember being a kid and thinking "wow how many entire family's where massacred in that highway scene" every transformers movie

[@PoIarisPrime]

And you wonder why Optimus didn’t spare him

[@concept5631]

​@@PoIarisPrime "nO OpTiMuS" Bro you tried enslaving humanity and would've mercilessly killed Optimus, whom you had literally disarmed and was begging for his life, had Megatron, who you also treated terribly, not shot you in the back. Get rekt idiot.

[@NobodyMan0]

Fun fact : I actually owned a Transformers book as a kid that contained abridged (and significantly toned down) versions of the first and second Bayformer movies. Since violent face ripping was “ToO sCAwY” for little tots, Optimus beat the Fallen by yeeting him into space. It also dropped the sun siphon pyramid plot, and instead made it seem like the Fallen was an eldritch god who was going to eat the Sun like a Big Mac. Ngl, that actually sounds better than the movie.

[@Satherian]

Reminds me of a couple scenes from "Something about Kirby 64" where kirby just yeets stuff into the sun

[@aortaplatinum]

Oh shit that's actually interesting, novelizations of movies are usually based on the version of the script that was current at the time it was written, and not the final movie. Movie games did this too back when those were a thing [which is why WALL-E saves EVE in the game instead of the other way around], so some of that may be more mid-production script stuff than it is censorship

[@halfmettlealchemist8076]

Sounds like they combined the Fallen with Unicron for that book, which is pretty cool!

[@justaghostinthesea]

I think I had the same book

[@berengustav7714]

The Fallen is clearly the inspiration for the Egyptian Serpent that is unambiguously the evil devil that wants to eat all thier gods. Pyramid you know.

[@snelldor1474]

At least there’s one thing that we can all agree about these movies. The soundtrack has no right being this epic and awesome.

[@grummanf14tomcat40]

Yup, the soundtrack is amazing

[@19thunderchild]

Forest battle slaps. I would almost always play the ost when playing Gears 2 n stuff on 360, fitting being the same composer.

[@kingslayerx1716]

I loved the fights in these movies. Also yeah, DOTM is pretty freaking cool

[@jordank7330]

Steve Jablonsky did nothing wrong

[@kuhanblock9380]

Having Linkin Park in the first three movies was genius

[@Recovery15]

Dark of the Moon is an absurd clusterfuck but at least it knows what the audience wanted and had a like 40 minute long battle

[@Nemesis2508.]

that is exactly why dark of the moon is my favorite out of the trilogy. such an awesome movie

[@toascranill5464]

Honestly, it's glorious

[@AndreiGu]

Dark of the Moon was the first movie I ever watched where I just decided not to finish it because I was so goddamn bored lol

[@benb5308]

@@AndreiGu literally HOW it's nonstop from start to finish, it doesn't slow down enough to get boring

[@benb5308]

@@Nemesis2508. it's definitely the best transformers movie

[@thegunslinger1363]

"Michael has a top notch, world class crew." From one of the producers on Transformers. But not world class writers.

[@ggrarl]

Ah, but this was made during the writers strike...which I would say explains a lot, but considering all the other Bayformers films that probably did have writers...yeah...

[@pigoman6566]

He didn’t have any for rotf

[@repulser93]

@@ggrarl To be fair, this was the last Transformers movie to have Orci and Kurtzman contribute to the script. DotM and AoE were solely written by Ehren Kruger.

[@kuhanblock9380]

He can put together a good looking movie but he doesn't really give a crap about the story. I really want to see Bay team up with Gendy Tartakovsky. Gendy's silent story telling mixed with Bay's spectacular visuals can make for one epic movie

[@GalvyTheTom]

Bay's really more of a visual director over a story-based director. The best parts of his movies, with only a few shining exceptions, are his action sequences (before TLK that is).

[@augustday9483]

Kurtzman's ability to consistently fail upwards is truly incredible.

[@occam7382]

He went from writing this utter travesty to writing Transformers: Prime. I can't even comprehend how that happens.

[@lithobreak3812]

​@occam7382 the explanation for good shows with kurtzman in the crew is usually that he didn't contribute much to the project

[@pacotaco1246]

what kind of industry blackmail does he have?

[@Durgemann]

@@pacotaco1246 Apparently he just doesn't butt heads with studios and is generally just pleasant to work with. People skills go far in the film industry, but it's a shame his writing is dogshit.

[@raidenshotgun5997]

He's a juice, he knows powerful people in Hollyweird. Go connect the dots

[@Ki_Adi_Mundi]

I find it interesting how none of the characters ever dwell on the fact that although the AllSpark is supposed to be the sourced of all Transformer life, every life we ever see it or it's shards create is destructive, murderous, and evil. How did the Autobots come about if that's all it creates?

[@badonkadonkcoochiecrunch6675]

From what I remember, the cube is kinda like the one ring from LOTR, during the war Megatron poured his malice to the all spark, wishing all it creates is more decepticons, and when the autobots found out about it optimus yeeted the cube to space, that's how it got lost and fell to earth and megatron followed after it, but not before he made that deal with sentinel to rendezvous with him on earth and as we know, both of them had a "happy" landing

[@halfmettlealchemist8076]

I mean you take one look at Optimus in this movie series and I think that answer reveals itself

[@lance2580]

Didn't the first film make it clear that all modern day Earth technology was created through reverse engineering Megatron? That explains why whatever Earth technology that the AllSpark touches is suddenly a deception.

[@silvy3047]

The same way black people are like that, it's in their nature

[@UGNAvalon]

For the longest time, I had just assumed that the newly-born Transformers had the mindset of primitive savages that weren’t yet “socialized”/“civilized” by their older peers. 😅

[@Theorymus]

I cannot wait to see your review on good old Dark of The Moon, its may favorite out of the 5 bay films

[@FernandoMazzo175]

Mine too! And hello there, Trans Theories! Now you gave me even more evidence that Blackout and Grindor are the same thing. Thanks!

[@lljkgktudjlrsmygilug]

I'm subbing to you instead of Cody.

[@totallyrad9691]

You clearly have poor taste and you need to watch more movies

[@ddawgproductionsXXL]

It is my favorite as well.

[@magisterrleth3129]

Dark of the Moon was my favorite, too! I remember watching it some much as a kid! I had lego, and Bionicles, and transformers, and I'd have all my toys brawl it out while the movie played, good times. I think it's a good movie. Nowhere near as crass and horny as Revenge of the Fallen, it's just a movie about super cool robots going to war, and violently murdering each other.

[@Laxhoop]

If you want to know how bad this movie was, just know this: Despite none of them dying, all of the new characters introduced in this movie, from the new transformers, to the new humans, are never even so much as *mentioned* again, in any of the later movies.

[@ilikepigeons6101]

aside from sideswipe cuz i guess people liked him a lot

[@mynameisharry8739]

@@ilikepigeons6101 plus, they literally made a complete custom vehicle just for him. So that's probanly another reason

[@Apprentice125]

@@ilikepigeons6101 Because damn, he's good. At killing fleeing enemies.

[@cyborgwerewolf3]

Apparently both Skid and Mudflap were killed by Sentinel in comics and novels and this a trend that continued where the movie will introduce new characters that meet tragic fates but mostly happen off screen.

[@Del_S]

@@cyborgwerewolf3 Skat and Pissflap being killed off is only tragic in that we never saw it on-screen.

[@sidearmsalpha]

Yeah, for me, this one had the most stupidest things with the worst being: -Bumblebee losing his voice again and acting like a pet dog -the ghetto twins -humping dogs -Sam's annoying mom -Devastator's balls -Transformers are born as younglings -Jetfire literally being an old man Transformer and was killed off to give Optimus a jetpack. My fave Transformer was done wrong but at least he died to be spared even more embarrassment. -

[@rawley3402]

ur racist bud

[@SiphonRayzar]

@@rawley3402 In what way is the OP racist? Those are valid complaints.

[@hype5456]

​@@SiphonRayzarI think he was referring to the ghetto bots?

[@Henchman.24]

​@@hype5456 Yeah okay, in what way is that racist at all?

[@alimations5226]

Protoforms have literally been a concept since Beast Wars tho?...

[@mynameisharry8739]

There's one rewrite that would make the whole movie alot more cohesive. Make the search for the Matrix the main goal of the movie and completely remove the pyramid machine plot. The Matrix of Leadership itself is already one of the most powerful relics in Transformers lore. It gives it's wielder the knowledge and memories of everyone who ever wielded it before. So just, make the Fallen's plan about wanting to obtain it

[@PoIarisPrime]

But Optimus destroying the star harvester gave us a huge feat for powerscaling and it made it even better plot wise too

[@fellowinternetstranger8700]

@@PoIarisPrime i mean powerscaling Is fun but it's funnier to do in the comics

[@PoIarisPrime]

@@fellowinternetstranger8700 No both are equally good

[@fellowinternetstranger8700]

@@PoIarisPrime ok Is Just that in the comics there's crazier stuff with unicron and others

[@PoIarisPrime]

@@fellowinternetstranger8700 the movie feats get to multiverse level though their still both fun

[@Lijearion]

Having a character named the Fallen was a terrible idea. Going into the film the first time, I always thought the "revenge of the fallen" were dead decepticons who had fallen in battle before and were getting resurrected to take their revenge.

[@jordanrichardson7498]

If you think about it, it does kinda have multiple meanings. Could consider Megatron and Optimus as “Fallen” since they both die and come back to life.

[@sebastiancintron29]

​@@jordanrichardson7498 except there's already a character called the Fallen so, that double meaning crap goes out the window. Also this movie is not smart enough for double meanings.

[@saycheez4740]

@@sebastiancintron29 “also”😂😂

[@crimsonstormsurge]

Same

[@THE.N1KO]

@@sebastiancintron29 actually in Latinamerica and Spain the movie was called: La Venganza de los Caídos... “Caídos” meaning “Fallen” in plural... So I always consider it as every bad guy who fell in battle. But they probably translated it poorly...

[@8-BallBlues]

There is actually a character in the Transformers IDW comics who wears the Decepticon logo as his face, being a character who believes so adamantly in the Decepticon’s cause.

[@voltageesq.]

Tarn was badass man

[@cassiopaia3153]

There is even a character in IDW1 who kills people with his face. XD sometimes I think that was meant to mock this movie.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

Tarn, baby

[@sirhellsing]

we just got that figure, and he looks cool

[@heckyeahponyscans]

@@cassiopaia3153 Bay Optimus: Give me your face! Vos: Bay Optimus: Wait no, noooooo AHHHHHHH

[@levongevorgyan6789]

The Prime series sort of provided a justification of why Earth is so important that could have been used in the movies: Earth is Unicron, the equal and opposite of Primus, the spirit of Cybertron.

[@kira-dk2mx]

Transformers Prime was what Bayformers wished it could be.

[@occam7382]

@@kira-dk2mx, truer words have never been spoken.

[@legna3407]

Funny enough the 5th and last film did set up for that story plotline of Earth being Unicron

[@gem9535]

I wish the movies were just Prime, but darker.

[@ratleader90]

​@@legna3407 yeah, but it was done waaaaay worse

[@BrezelCeviche]

I remember this movie. The thing that bugged me the most was that the US military was more powerful than the autobots.

[@LegendzPlushStudios]

That’s cap though

[@romulus2473]

I get that. Too many Cons are killed by humans in the series. I want more robot fighting, not humans fighting robots. One is transformers, the other is a SyFy scifi movie.

[@PoIarisPrime]

@@romulus2473 Literally the fodders though that can’t happen to even mid tier Transformers like at all

[@mrscruffles801]

It really ruins the threat of the Transformers when some small squad of guys with ARs can fend them off. They should've made the military less op like they were in the first one.

[@PoIarisPrime]

@@mrscruffles801 wrong those are the fodders who get defeated easily like that the low tiers to the mid and top tiers that won’t ever do anything

[@SWDude2710]

Peter Cullen's voice acting was one of the highlights of the live action films, and he was one of the few main leads who actually put effort into his acting, along with the other voice actors.

[@officernealy]

This was the first midnight release I ever went to. Being a dumb teenager at the time I really enjoyed the first Transformers and my mom wanted to treat me to the sequel as a treat for good grades. I left the theater absolutely hating the movie, but because I didn’t want my mom to be upset I pretended to enjoy it around her. Years later at a party, the topic of bad movies came up in a conversation and I let my true feelings slip accidentally in front of her. She then started laughing and said, _“Really? All this time? I thought it was terrible and didn’t want hurt your feelings!”_ We still laugh about it from time to time. It was a good memory.

[@PoIarisPrime]

You lied to yourself

[@qwertyzillaofficial2969]

@Bootleg Explain

[@lonewulv13]

The fact that you went to see this film with your *mom* tells me everything I need to know. The fact it was a reward for good grades is the icing on the cake.

[@caseyhayes7510]

@@lonewulv13 damn you're written with the likeability of a Michael Bay character

[@WalkmanWillWalkAllOverYou]

Wholesome Story

[@RaynmanPlays]

"Optimus and the Autobots have teamed up with the ATF because the Decepticons forgot to pay their taxes." As someone who learned that the ATF is part of the IRS just a few weeks ago, I appreciate you spreading the knowledge.

[@mynameisharry8739]

One of the best things about Transformers is the variety of fun, interesting and well defined characters and the way their unique personalities played off of eachother. Stuff like this is what made Transformers so appealing in the first place and it's a shame that the Bayformers never really utilized this.

[@romulus2473]

Tbf, I'm pretty sure selling toys was what made TF interesting in the first place. Like with GI Joe and pretty much every other cartoon in the 1980s.

[@mynameisharry8739]

@@romulus2473 yeah, but that's not enough to keep your franchise relevant and popular. Toys are fun, but if the character's are unappealing and uninteresting, you're not gonna get very far. I mean, look what happened to GoBots

[@romulus2473]

@@mynameisharry8739 agreed

[@Tgungen]

Even the comic adaptations and prequels of the films have far more soul, consistency and interesting character interactions than the films themselves.

[@grand_max66]

@@mynameisharry8739 Or what happened to the Bayverse. Crashed and burned so hard it almost bankrupted Paramount before it was saved by Bumblebee by it simply doing alright financially.

[@jeffbrownstain]

I never saw this movie, so when you showed the Fallen, I was like, 'huh, this guy kinda looks like a bionicle'. Then a scene later you shower his head on top of Onua and I died 🤣

I dont think Onua shows up anywhere in the video. There are all sets from 2009 and a moc tho

[@jeffbrownstain]

@ I mean, at 15:00 ish it shows the original Makuta, I am 100% positive at one point it showed a transformer head on Onua's body but I'm too lazy to track the timestamp down: he's literally THE ONLY bionicle to ever be built 'upside down' so his body shape is pretty easy to spot mate.

[@kirkkerman]

@@jeffbrownstain The one at 15:00 is Atakus tho...

[@jeffbrownstain]

@@kirkkerman Okay you right, their masks look VERY similar tho, as do their weapons. Still think I'm right about Onua tho

[@yurismgodzilla4866]

​@@jeffbrownstainOnua's torso isn't upside down, Pohatu's is. It's because they wanted him to be able to have a kicking action for his articulation mechanism, so they just rotated the piece. This also makes it near-impossible for him to stand on his feet. Onua's unique feature is that his head is mounted lower and further forward to give him a kind of more squat posture.

[@timthememer2785]

I love the running gag of Cody casually comparing these Transformer designs to Bionicles.

[@wayneigoe6722]

Fun fact: Mudflap and Skids were originally meant to have a 3rd brother who would've acted as a balance to their stereotypical attributes. He was scrapped about halfway through for no real reason. The twins were also supposed to appear in Dark Of The Moon, and they had scenes shot, but after the backlash from Revenge Of The Fallen, their scenes were cut and they were written out entirely.

[@r.a.fgattaiguy845]

tbf they were in the movie, you can see them when they´re loading up the ship

[@directorforplastic7929]

@@r.a.fgattaiguy845 no it was actually before that. They were in the scene where all the autobots enter the nest base at the very back of the car line. After that they were never seen again. The loading up the ship scene only had 9 cars (Prime, Bee, Ratchet, Sideswipe, Que, Dino, and the Wreckers).

[@r.a.fgattaiguy845]

@@directorforplastic7929 look in the background, they are way in the back

[@endobendo9497]

The main reason why the 3rd brother was scrapped was because due to issues of German Automakers on the license on his vehicle mode

[@deen7530]

Don't they show up in the DotM novelization, and have a surprisingly sad death scene?

[@monkeyinapanzer]

One of the most “interesting” things about revenge of the fallen is that it is kind of responsible for the trend of each movie introducing deep meaningful events and lore that completely flip what you knew on its head. To then immediately be forgotten and irrelevant by the next along with earth always being the most important planet because reasons that are completely contradictory to the previous movie’s reason. The first movie introduces that they only came to earth to chase the allspark to save their home and species and that’s how megs got here and got frozen along with the decepticons being more established as they have been looking for the boss for a while, but are still fish out of water. Then revenge sets up that earth had cybertronians on it predating the autobot decepticon conflict in a long past ancient time. This further expands on the “our race and world are dying plot” as the scuttled decepticon ship shows the young transformers are effectively stillborn do to a lack of resources to keep themselves alive. And the big twist of megatron actually has a master directing him and instructing him on how to save his people although through brutal got mine means. By the end the decepticons are truly animals with their backs to the wall and are even more likely to resort to desperate and barbaric measures to survive. And this is all thrown out in dark of the moon as the plan is just bring the home world to earth because….reasons and the cons have a super secret mega army they just never bothered to use while it also turns out the decepticons had massive influence over human governments and influential people and never used that to find megatron when he was missing on earth while extremely powerful high ranking decepticons had been hiding on earth and just never helped in the previous fights while megatron character arc is basically being pissed that he is second fiddle now despite being fine with that previously. And this insane cycle of the transformers actually being super involved with earth and having super weapons hidden on it repeats again and again while everyone just forgets the previous movies events minus one or two parts. Had revenge of the fallen actually had a chance then we may have gotten a interesting universe of questing who’s actually right between the overly optimistic autobots who are kind of doomed on the path they are going or the destructive ends justify the means decepticons willing to do anything.

[@PoIarisPrime]

Bumblebee was never shown arriving on earth neither the other decepticons in TF1, by then after Megatron crashed over 10,000 years ago other cybertronians have been living on earth in secret

[@monkeyinapanzer]

@@PoIarisPrime I believe the first movie suggest that the first confirmed sittings where from around the turn of the century and where supposed to have been early scouts. Making the time line that Megatron during the closing days of the war follows the allspark on his own, after a significant amount of time the allspark being on earth becomes known or at least assumed so scouts are sent out IE bumble bee and at least some of the first movie cons, significantly latter Sam post the glasses on eBay which gives both sides concrete info and prompts the main autobots to come and probably blackout given his alt mode is a recently destroyed helicopter. The hypothetical time line suggest that both sides had good reason to assume it was on earth, but never really moved on that knowledge as they had no concrete way to find what they where looking for or even where to really start.

[@PoIarisPrime]

@@monkeyinapanzer Yes exactly this, and the eventually cybertronians started coming there and living on earth and meanwhile world war 2 happened and Bee and Hot Rod joined

[@lonewulv13]

And now we've reached the essay comments and I think it's time for bed.

[@tmac731]

I think Sentinel and Megatron made a plan with the pillars as a back up if he failed to get the allspark. I like the 2nd movie but if Megatron needed the Matrix to revive him, he could’ve just told the Fallen to go to the moon so it would’ve been The Fallen Megatron and Sentinel v Optimus who was just revived

[@RegeDop23]

Alex Kurtzmann is like the urban myth of that cat that appears in the hospital rooms of the gravely ill moments before they die, except for franchises.

[@fulcrum6760]

And then there’s Transformers Prime where he’s basically a phoenix rising from the ashes.

[@fojisan2398]

OOF

[@ernesto4709]

@@nmr7203 the show was good, wtf do you mean

[@Prikense]

@@nmr7203 lmao

[@pavelowjohn9167]

As soon as I heard "Alex Kurtzman", I immediately knew why the script sucked for this movie. As night follows day.....

[@coopeachu]

Showing a 2009 era bionicle right as you mention the plot point of them existing far longer than ever known or whatever was a perfect parallel

[@agent_soshi]

The first three movies will always have a place in my heart because of how epic they were when I was a kid, but I don’t think I can ever watch them again

[@SidV101]

The first one is a perfectly solid movie. Feel free to check that one out again

[@ToastEater625]

@@SidV1013 as well Tbh, I think it’s just 2 thats kind of bad, but I don’t think I’ll ever hate TF2. I have a lot of good memories of that movie.

[@SidV101]

@@ToastEater625 I stopped after 2 because I HATED 2, thought it was one of the worst movies I'd ever seen. Closest I've ever gotten to walking out of the theater

[@schlieffenman957]

As a kid I watched those three and loved them, didn't even get the naughty jokes or see the flaws with the movie (but my parents sure did). When I was older I watched AOE and TLK and I just hate them. They're trash. So, the first three are nostalgically good, but the last two are just bad.

[@ToastEater625]

@@SidV101 If you want to give it a chance, check out 3, then search up all of Lockdowns scenes from Transformers 4 and never watch 4 and 5.

[@ThyFloorestFloor]

I remember the movie for three things: - The Music. - GIANT ROBOTS WOOOOOOOO!!!!!! - Robot Balls.

[@ivanelias3916]

don't forget the epic bombarment scene in the desert :D

[@blandpickle222]

"I am directly below the enemy scrotum."

[@janbittner1465]

Also Linkin Park

[@MisterBurgerBeachball]

The *E N E M Y S C R O T U M .*

[@TheWorldsBiggestFan89]

Forest Battle was lit.

[@muttjones222]

I had an unhealthy obsession with this movie. I loved it to death and even went so far as buying a Target-exclusive special edition DVD that had like 4 hours of behind-the-scenes features and I would watch those features over and over and over. And yet, I managed to forget about it and leave the franchise behind like a former cult member. This video brought back so many buried memories. God, I was a dumb child.

[@rolmodel12.]

😆🤣 ...this comment/story. Man, I LOVE your honesty. And rest assured, we were ALL dumb children/teens.

[@GlizzyGoblin757]

My 4 year old little brother watched this movie 3 times in one day. This was last week.

[@Sinstarclair]

I mean, stuff's exploding. That's all you really need for entertainment back in the day. Plus it's a movie about cars transforming into robots, how cool's that?

[@PoIarisPrime]

Nah you were a smart child

[@PoIarisPrime]

@@GlizzyGoblin757 don’t try to say “these movies are bad” because they are actually good and you won’t have a good reason on why their bad

[@TheGrayMysterious]

Fun fact: Soundwave is voiced in both ROTF and the G1 cartoon by Frank Welker, who utilizes his Dr. Claw voice for both. The reason he sounds different in the movie is because the filmmakers just didn't vocode his performance like in the cartoon. I suppose this was to make him sound more "menacing", which seems like a moot point when the end result sounds like... well, _Dr. friggin' Claw._

[@zemox2534]

That alone tell you how little the studio cares about the TF franchise.

[@astrowolvez]

Well that explains when I saw megatron I was thinking he sounds like claw. 🤣

[@abird9387]

I just realized Optimus and The Fallen don't actually interact the whole movie. In fact, Optimus has never even heard of him. As far as he's concerned, he just wakes up from a long nap and rips a dude's face and heart out.

[@TILBOI]

The fallen is one of the worst villains I’ve seen in any movie ever what TF did he do except lay on his lazy ass the entire film

[@adamgoodgamer]

I love that in half of this, you're using Bionicle toys to represent the transformers. That's how interchangeable they are with these designs.

[@lonewulv13]

That's how interchangeable *The Fallen's* design is.

[@Deebstertron]

Boinicle haro factory yeeah

[@yxrackman2397]

@@lonewulv13 to be fair wtf does he even transform into

[@purplehaze2358]

9:18 Fun fact, though only a snippet of this shot is seen here, in the movie itself they actually reused this shot with different dialog. Peak film effort.

[@Tarnthewarrior]

Guy: *saying where the all spark shard is at * Desepticon: *steal it * Guy: how did they steal the shard from the hidden military base over by the shores of such and such Seriously even much younger stupider me though this was stoopid

[@337Disgraciad]

7:59 I love how optimus says "Pull over!" and then immediately after the video started buffering.

[@Tamaldo]

The best thing to come out of Revenge of the Fallen were the toys. Say what you will about that film, those toys were the most well-designed transformer toys ever, not just because they looked like their film counterpart, but because they actually transformed. I had the Leader-class Optimus Prime and to this day, it still holds up

[@briarsgaming6599]

Facts and the 07 figures

[@therookie5440]

Had a bumblebee one and barricade one, both transformed too

[@GFMarine]

I was about to commence my daily ritual of yelling slurs at my worn workout sneakers, but after noticing this video went up, I no longer feel the need to, thank you Mr. PointlessHub, for helping me avoid a small psychotic breakdown.

[@lonewulv13]

Might I suggest taking those sneakers and going for a good run? Should help burn off some of the pent up stress and angst. Probably help boost your T levels too. Then have a relaxing Transformers movie marathon filled with violence and the male fantasy.

[@halfmettlealchemist8076]

One thing I would rewrite for this movie…well, there are a lot of things that should be fundamentally rewritten, but one thing I would definitely change is the Fallen’s death scene. Like, _”Give me your face!”_ is a cool line and all, but it just doesn’t work in context. I think it would be better if the Fallen and Optimus fought on top of the pyramid, and then Optimus says “Time to live up to your name!” and then kicks him off the top and he falls and gets impaled on some machinery or something. Like, he’s The Fallen, and he wants to rise to power, so the most fitting death would be if he fell one last time. It’s not much, but it’s something, right?

[@succubastard1019]

It's still a bit of a cheesy one-liner (although this is still blockbuster shlock, so it fits), but the scene and line itself would have still worked infinitely better than Optimus unceremoniously going full on Mortal Kombat on the Fallen.

[@halfmettlealchemist8076]

@@succubastard1019 Yeah, I’m not trying to be Kubrick here - just trying to make this movie at least a little bit salvageable. I’m glad you liked my rewrite, though!

[@romulus2473]

Cheesiness aside, I kind of agree but for different reasons. I think "give me your face" and the death scene itself are pretty brutal things for Optimus to do. I get he's angry or something, but he's still the good guy.

[@halfmettlealchemist8076]

@@romulus2473 Bayformers Optimus progressively becomes more and more like the Transformers version of Doomguy with each consecutive film. He just straight-up starts glorykilling Decepticons left and right, and it should be cool, but it just feels wrong for someone like Optimus to do it.

[@romulus2473]

@@halfmettlealchemist8076 agree wholly. He's just never really like that in any other incarnation. He's like supposed to be the least edgy bot. Let someone else be edgy, like Sideswipe or Ironhide.

[@GenericProtagonist118]

Honestly Dark of the Moon is what Revenge of the Fallen should have been. It's serious moments mostly work, some of the one liners actually work, the twist villain (even though done to death in movies) worked too. Despite still not being a good movie, almost everything about "Daightem" works. It's really the peak of the whole franchise and should've ended right there.

[@liamphibia]

Glad everyone agrees that Dark of the Moon is pretty good.

[@Gamebit257]

And the things about Cold War, the Moon exploration thing were, actually, very good concepts lmao

[@spencers911]

I never liked the ending in it and when I found out they changed the ending to that mindless violence from the original ending. I can't agree with you.

[@ParallaxMotive]

"Give me your face" Was a moment in cinematic history that certainly was one of the most written, voice acted, and synced to a computer generated truck's mouth moments of some time.

[@ProWalter2]

The Mata Nui joke made me fall out of my chair. It really seems like the design team made him look like Makuta from Bionicle

[@sgtpaloogoo2811]

I love the Bionicle references throughout this video.

[@supper_e1823]

@@sgtpaloogoo2811 same

[@EmiDivinity]

Nah he looks more like skrall

[@CrazyLikeUhFox]

Every time he was complaining about his design I was like “nah, he looks pretty sick, like a bionicle” Then he compared him to bionicles lmao

[@NachozMan]

@@sgtpaloogoo2811 Even all these years later, our love of Bionicle goes strong, yet Lego denies us, this timeline is cruel.

[@Chord_]

I think this movie more than the first one set the pace for the rest of these movies. Because, the first movie absolutely had the bad stuff the following movies are known for, but, it definitely had good moments too. Mikaela has an actual arc, the characters mostly like each other, etc. When the writers strike happened, this script went into flux, and became what it became. But, the movie still made a good heap of revenue. And it showed to the execs or producers or whoever, "Hey, we don't have to try nearly as hard on the scripts for these." And the rest is history.

[@Frokken]

I was so excited to see it, but on the way to theater we saw two car accidents happen right in front of us. Then they announced the death of Michael Jackson on the radio. Despite all that, seeing this movie was the most heartbreaking thing that day.

[@jeffgrandberry5687]

Just an Average day in 2009.

[@emil-1609]

Redditmoment

[@insomniagobrrr5542]

FR?

[@PieroMinayaRojas]

"And then everyone clapped"

[@f-22raptorlandingzone30]

@@PieroMinayaRojas "and then everyone clapped" you say that like seeing 2 car accidents and hearing about the death of a massive celebrity that occured literally the day after this film came out is as if he said he witnessed the aurora borealis saving baby polar bears lmfao

[@BigGrim87]

Ironically, Soundwave in this IS voiced by his OG actor, Frank Welker (sans vocoder) but in Bumblebee he’s voiced by Jon Bailey (doing a stellar impression)

[@80MWH]

I remember watching The Last Knight, and was surprised to realize that that film actually made Revenge of the Fallen seem…slightly less bad. I never thought there would be a TF film that made me feel that way. Then again, The Last Knight has the kind of energy of a store employee who is just doing the bare minimum to get through the day and get paid.

[@kuhanblock9380]

Michael Bay is usually on top of his movies production wise but TLK is where he just didn't give a damn. The editing is atrocious, cutting from scene to scene haphazardly with no context, characters appearing out of nowhere only to disappear for the rest of the movie. When the movie was still in theatres there was talk of an extended cut and I'm not sure they followed through on that

[@ming1408]

15:35 Fun fact: The voice actor of that green transformer is Spongebob. He also voiced the other smaller transformer.

[@FisherBros]

Ah yes, good ol' Tom Kenny

[@GalvyTheTom]

He also voiced Starscream in TFA

[@fyrf0x8910]

I don't care how dogshit this movie is. It gave us Linkin Park's "New Divide." That deserves some credit.

[@kuhanblock9380]

Great song especially live.

[@wolfson9964]

Here's some sweet nostalgia for you guys: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZ7NaoiDoKuMiNU

[@GBomb9704]

True

[@bobtheraccoon318]

my favourite song of all time, 'nuff said

[@braidos.k3657]

GIVE ME REEEEASON

[@morgalorga1987]

every pointless hub video is a similar yet wildly different experience that, without fail, makes me find a greater appreciation for the world around me

[@liamphibia]

They're very delightfully hilarious to watch!😂

[@CollinMcLean]

Cody's voice in these videos... it is the equivalent of watching a a SyFy movie while eating cheese puffs in your sweatpants... There is just something so relaxing and low effort about it.

[@jacent.4982]

Seeing the Fallen being just a knockoff Makuta has forever changed my life. I cannot unsee that.

[@jikenart985]

Lk no I’ll mmm

[@Nobody-zl3kk]

"Dark of the moon is my personal favorite" is such a non-hot-take that it has become the mythical "cold-take", a take so agreed upon yet acted as if it wasn't by everyone around it that adjacent hot-takes start loosing their flare.

[@Bopmyglizz]

I fcking loved that movie when i was a jit. Dark of the moon is second best transformer movie

[@TeoTH80]

Dark of the moon is definitely a guilty pleasure. There's just something about it that is very epic feeling. "We will kill them all." -Optimus Prime

[@benb5308]

How can a transformers movie not be epic feeling when it has that amazing score. "BA bububuBA BA" just blaring while giant robots are getting decapitated and shit.

[@YamahaR12015]

The whole series is a guilty pleasure to me. Well excluding the last one. Dark of the moon makes me sad because Ironhide was always my favorite and his death tore me up

[@americanidiot41]

That is still Optimus Primes funniest line ever

[@TheSameGoobyGuy]

11:45 *Simmons:* One man, alone! *Leo:* Stop saying that! *Simmons:* Betrayed by the country he loves! *Leo:* I’m in the car okay? Your not alone!

[@occam7382]

Out of everything in those 5 movies, John Turturro is the one thing I will always enjoy about them all.

[@qbert018]

“Instead he just looks like we wants to…blow up Mata Nui.” Excellent, +10 points.

[@ToonamiT0M]

I always love a good Bionicle reference. The Fallen does look like Makuta.

[@lonewulv13]

100%

[@liamphibia]

Question: What was 7:45 even all about? I'm kinda lost!🤨

[@serene-illusion]

*deep inhale* That's actually Tuma

[@DarkMagicz4Blood]

That's not Makuta dude :/ that's the leader of the Skrall! He got backstabbed by Mata Nui in the movie!

[@crestothegecko6279]

@@liamphibia check out his video on ancient aliens over on alternate history hub. It'll make more sense

[@KOAHUNT3R]

"Give me your face!" Will always be one of my favorite lines from a movie. It's just so absurd.

[@lizzydee1784]

They really made Optimus Prime say that 💀

[@haka-katyt7439]

@@lizzydee1784 Fr bro it sounds like something one of dem deceptions from the cartoon network transformers would say 💀💀

[@5spec]

9:27 they actually technically have the exact same voice, it's just that the bayverse soundwave doesn't have the tiktok voice filter that g1 has. Other than that it's actually the same voice actor using the exact same voice he would use for his g1 performance

[@IHeliosI]

Welker was channeling Dr. Claw here more than Soundwave though.

[@BOS_C.O.]

The Bioncle and the Fallen similarities is something I can't believe I never notice lol

[@maxfieldjoyner5244]

3 changes to make the movie better from what you said: Eliminate the opening monologue, have the reveal of the Fallen come later Use the Fallen's original design and rework his motive. Cut the stereotype robots.

[@concept5631]

Nice pfp

[@THE.N1KO]

I would add a fourth one: Cut at least half of the sex jokes... At least.

[@roberttreacy8271]

Nice. A few more things: 1) Introduce Jetfire earlier to give him a proper redemption arc. 2) Make the Matrix of Leadership the main artifact instead of the Allspark shards. 3) Give the Arcee sisters a bigger role.

[@LaLloronaVT]

@@roberttreacy8271the Arceesters if you will

[@tmac731]

Please explain what’s wrong with the twins

[@echoecho3155]

Here's my hot take: the Battle of Chicago in Dark of the Moon feels far more bleak, dangerous, and apocalyptic than the New York fight in Avengers. Both movies came out the same year with similar plots, and DotM managed to nail that tone a bit better than the other.

[@kuhanblock9380]

Agree. The first time I saw it I was mentally preparing myself for the first time that the good guys wouldn't come out on top. Seeing Sam, Epps and his team roll into a dystopian Chicago was just depressing

[@dimensionzone8048]

I mean that's because the tone WASN'T the same for Avengers. Nor was it trying for that. That said. Infinity War destroys this tone with its ending

[@chrishardin9774]

@@dimensionzone8048 you mean the ending that was spoiled before the movie even came out

[@dimensionzone8048]

@@chrishardin9774 even so that doesn't change the ending tone at all lol

[@thelvadam90]

@@dimensionzone8048 Infinity War ending was kinda shocking bu it wasn't all that much because you know the characters would come back.

[@bloopboop9320]

5:40 I remember someone explaining to me when I was younger that "Michael Bay writes all characters as insane psychopaths, but how they release their insanity is different from character to character." This works terrifically well for movies that deal with crime and violence, but it doesn't work when you are trying to have characters with noble values and goals. Transformers is SUPPOSED to have characters that are noble and willing to sacrifice themselves for others, but none of the characters actually reflect any moral values of any sorts. It creates a confusing skinsuit of a film franchise that feels like Buffalo Bill murdering hapless beloved characters and then clothing himself with them and then trying to fit in by saying something vaguely similar to what those characters might say if they were trying to make parole. Also, thank you for pointing out the connection to Bionicles. The Fallen always looked like a Bionicle, but then again the Bionicles you showed with lime-green pieces that break easily came out after this movie, so it could be a little bit of an inverse.

[@thatguy8777]

Bro, it's weird. I remember being 6 years old when I first watched this and it was a cinematic masterpiece. Then again, I remember the toys I had from the movie more than the actual movie itself...

[@mkgibertjr]

I'm sure that selling memorable toys was the point of the movie at the end of the day anyways, so no worries 😂

[@clintelkins9630]

Yeah me and my cousin have a giant bin of transformer toys, they were the best man we had so much fun with those, despite never knowing how to transform them

[@wheatly8862]

Bionicle as the thumbnail, Iron Man in the thumbnail clip and Transformers as the subject matter, what a roller coaster ride! All jokes aside, yep this movie ain't great. Still love it to death because nostalgia. Great video!

[@VincentDeLuca2003]

Regardless of how bad rotf is, I cannot bring myself to hate it. This movie was my childhood and I still love it to this day. Also you have no idea how long I’ve been waiting for this video.

[@riven5677]

Yeah I grew up on it but honestly I only ever watched it for the transformers fighting

[@Gerwulf97]

Same bro

[@denifnaf5874]

Finaly... based comment sections

[@shr33d3r56]

It had the coolest robots ever designed

[@lykosspartan]

On the same boat

[@treemannick2969]

About the whole script thing, I did a little timeline made of pure speculation. If Transformers (2007) was green lit in 2003, a script should’ve been made and accepted in late ‘03 to early ‘04, and if production began from let’s guess ‘05 to ‘06 and that a sequel was planned, Revenge of the Fallen would’ve been written and approved in around early 2006. This is how it’s usually done in film/ animation studios when making a TV series. So yeah, the writers strike isn’t why the script sucks, it’s the copious amounts of Colombian Nose Candy that Michael Bay has at his house.

[@cryHAVOC884]

The best thing about Transformers is that, everytime they go "there were transformers throughout history!" in every movie, I've long forgotten that they rementioned historical transformers in the previous movie, then forget *again* when robomurder starts. Robomurder is fucken rad.

[@therenegade6577]

That was Michael Bay’s one problem, “make everything look cool” “it’s gotta be cool looking” instead of developing a coherent story. Complete style over substance

[@SchwarbageTruck]

Someone years ago did an analysis of Michael Bay. He cites the 1961 film adaptation of West Side Story as one of his biggest influences, because he more or less felt that every shot was incredibly dynamic and had a lot going on in it. Add to this his career beginning with commercials and music videos (both of which require you convey a lot in not a lot of time), combined with the pitfall of one's style becoming a caricature of itself, and it explains a LOT.

[@Harmonmj13]

I remember seeing this at an early showing at the Navy Pier IMAX theatre as a kid. How in god's name did I like this as a kid? At least Dark of the Moon came out two years later, and that's the best one of the Bayformers.

[@mihajlo961x]

What did you like about the third one? I'm not even sure I watched it, and if I did, I just don't remember it :/

[@Harmonmj13]

@@mihajlo961x to be honest, about 60% of my enjoyment of DoTM is because my hometown Chicago was used as a massive sandbox for the film’s production and we literally lined the sets during the summer of 2010.

[@mihajlo961x]

@@Harmonmj13 ah makes sense then!

[@balabanasireti]

No

[@kuhanblock9380]

@@mihajlo961x the final battle in DOTM was the best in the series especially when you watch the lead up to it. The Decepticons have taken over, the Autobots seemingly destroyed all while Sam, Epps and his crew are rolling into a dystopian Chicago with Iridescent by Linkin Park playing hauntingly in the background

[@dezsodebreceni4829]

"It's supposed to hurt it's an ass kickin'!" No but really that's a fire line

[@comixproviderftw_02]

I remember being so hyped when I saw the teaser poster at the theater and the super bowl teaser on KZbin. I thought this was better than the first one after I saw in theaters (I was 12, cut me some slack). Plus, we got New Divide by Linkin Park. Nuff said.

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

I was 23 and I thought it was better than the first.

[@bryanmanuel4945]

TBH I still get Nostalgic for this movie, yeah it's bad but it reminds me of simple times. As a kid I kind of like it better than the first one because of Optimus Prime uniting with Jetfire (like in Energon). Shame though if RoTF was just decent the trilogy would have been decent

[@ilikepigeons6101]

​@@OtakuUnitedStudio absolute thad

[@skeletor8951]

New Divide was easily my favorite song from all the movies, no contest. it made me into a Linkin Park fan at the time.

[@DarkknightChris]

When making the 3rd movie, Bay apologize for the 2nd one and said he tone down the quirky humor and have a full script. The 3rd was arguably one of the "better" ones, which isn't saying much. When he came back for the 4th movie, he said he stop caring what people think and they're still come to the theaters regardless. So that may explain the film series quality going up and down, doe it's not really high quality that much.

[@takanuva0140]

15:30 I appreciate the Bionicle references

[@nightxiv9329]

15:25 that design is a million times better

[@halfmettlealchemist8076]

He kinda looks like Tarn from the DJD, aka the best Decepticon ever made

[@burntbread2814]

I remember loving this film when I was younger, all of the sexual tension just flew over my head and I kinda just went “big robot looks cool”

[@audiovisualcringe]

literally everybody who watched transformers 2 under the age of 10 agrees, didn’t care about anything going on I was just like “wow big robot car blew up other big robot” source: I used to be 8 years old

[@Godzillaminusone70]

@@audiovisualcringe even most kids above kids would care more about the robots.

[@trapical]

To this day, the soundtrack still slaps. I will defend the OST till my dying day.

[@ironmaster6496]

That something that surpsringly every Transformers movie since the 86 one has nailed, literally all of them have bangers

[@halfmettlealchemist8076]

Steve Jablonsky carrying the entire Bayformers franchise on his back like Atlas lifting the world

[@thatkidwiththehoodie]

I especially love how they actually worked the Linkin Park song into the score at some points. That never happens, but it’s so cool!

[@_somestuff]

That's the one thing these films have consistently been good at.

[@WalkmanWillWalkAllOverYou]

The Score for ROTF is honestly Steve Jablonsky's best work for the Bayformers Series.

[@shinndig1293]

This vid made me finally realize the huge contrast between why the MCU works and the Transformers films don’t. It’s not just because of the bad writing and juvenile humor but mainly because tonally the Transfomers movies (aside from the first one) are just so incredibly mean spirited and heartless. I’m thankful that the filmmakers behind Bumblebee realized this.

[@lonewulv13]

Oh pwease cry me a $4.5 billion dollar river :'(

[@superdrifter-1773]

But transformers 3 actually had more heart and soul than 2 tho

[@dokatafrinz1349]

you clearly didn't watch T2 or T3

[@shinndig1293]

@@lonewulv13 "There's more to life than a little money you know."

[@chrishardin9774]

Ik for a fact you didn’t just say the mcu has heart lol

[@wwCs49]

What an amazing record Alex Kurtzmann has. EVERY time his name comes up in a KZbin review/essay/etc, it’s NEVER a good thing

[@jeremysommer147]

Despite all of the obvious and absolutely terrible flaws ROTF possesses, I still enjoy it. Mostly just because of the action scenes. Also the toyline was amazing.

[@Xtronbot]

Me to man, I'm just here to be entertained :D

[@owen723]

Never will forget the classic transform sound effect on leader class prime.

[@kuhanblock9380]

The forest battle was something else

[@lonewulv13]

@@owen723 And don't forget *"I am Optimus Prime!"*

[@lonewulv13]

@@kuhanblock9380 Praise be.

[@stormbreeze4872]

I still remember watching this movie in theaters as an 8 year old w my uncle. The absolute shock I felt when I saw Optimus just die on screen was insane lmaoo

[@stevenandersen6989]

7:45 This is what happens when you merely reference Bill in any media whatsoever

[@IzzRei]

This movie has a special place in my heart because I was an extra in this movie. The only movie I participated in to this day. Portions were filmed in the White National Park and on the Airforce base. I remember a few days spent running from one dune to the next or moving cattle back and forth a distance away from a near abandoned check point in the desert. All scenes were cut, but still a fun time

[@Optimus594]

Wether you like it or not you have to admit Optimus had his fair share of badass executions

[@bruhitsshanecbt2820]

I loved the racially stereotypical robots

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

One of them is Tom Kenny. The other is Reno Wilson, who was fairly surprised at how upsetting people found his performance. Then he played Brains in the movies after that and everyone just kinda forgot he was involved..

[@ilikepigeons6101]

​@@OtakuUnitedStudio probably because it wasn't meant to be offensive. If this movie came out today we'd just be ridiculing "sjws" for calling the movie racist

[@GG_1318]

I thought they were generic hillbilly, what are they supposed to be?

[@occam7382]

@@GG_1318, don't know, don't care. I just thought they were funny.

[@jockeysface8753]

@@GG_1318 those white guys that think they are sooo gangsta

[@stuglife5514]

This movie holds a special place in my heart for one reason. The scene in the beginning at the “Chinese steel factory” is the steel factory in my city. We watched the filming with the blackhawks and everything. It’s just cool to see my city in a movie ya know? Would have been way cooler if in the movie it was my city as well but...

[@purplesamurai5205]

Cool

[@HollowPurple-if2co]

@Yeehaw no one asked

[@jsw973]

@Yeehaw bro literally only said "it holds a special place in my heart." They're saying why that's the case, they didn't say shit about the actual quality. Its not their fault you live in a more well known city in the same country that made this movie, hence getting featured means less for you. Its not their problem that you don't care about what happens in your city enough to talk about it, its a you thing. How about you learn to understand what you're reading before being a crying self-righteous bitch about it?

[@tactlesswordace9711]

Even though the movie sucks the moment in the woods where Optimus Prime says “You’ll never stop at one, I’ll take you all on” and absolutely destroys the opponent’s is so Epic, I’ve watched that one scene so many times and it never gets old.