Why Legend of the Galactic Heroes Is A Must Watch

[@Mandorain]

A character in that show sits down and watches a whole history documentary explaining why everything is happening and it was so hype, its one of my favorite episodes.

[@thearchives1094]

Ngl, thoese documentarys really felt like real historical documentaries

[@AragornRespecter]

Actually you’re wrong, there isn’t an episode where this happens… There’s two

[@ulfricstormcloak7142]

​@@AragornRespecterpretty sure there were 3. History of Goldenbaum dynasty emperors, how mankind started to colonized the universe and the birth of FPA

[@BarbershopBytes-ox3dr]

@@ulfricstormcloak7142 one was reading a journal or history book, the other was a History channel style program

[@kithkindeck]

I literally spent two episodes watching a character go ''I have like 2 days of travel stuck on a transport to kill. Time to binge the history channel.'' and I liked it.

[@watamesshepherdjesuschrist6792]

Legend of the Galactic Heroes is a type of anime where you realize you can actually have a long attention span. Trust me, this might cure your ever-shortening attention span. I didn't know I was invested and way too focused on watching this anime for more than 100 episodes.

[@madmanawesome]

i'm on ep 10 and I thought it would take 15 ep for them to attack the liquid metal fortress. instead, I got 15 ep worth of content/info within 8 episodes and I don't know who to side with

[@antonhallergren588]

​@@madmanawesome it only gets better.

[@antonhallergren588]

Its side characters are so good they could be main characters in their own shows.

[@MusashiHeadSplitta]

Shame i stopped on episode 49 but i think this was due to just watching and reading so much in a short time i just found it to be boring but i am going to go back it this week after like a year of just not having continued it and just reading or watching other stuff but i did enjoy it

[@yasirkhalif157]

@@MusashiHeadSplitta It does feel overwhelming at times, especially the strategy meetings; but I would recommend you stick with if you enjoyed it. It gets even better from there.

[@wumbojet]

Legend of the Galactic Heroes is the only piece of media I've watched that's always hyped to hell and commonly talked as the best thing to ever been made, and when I watched it I felt it was actually undersold to me. You have no idea how mind blowingly excellent that series is.

[@macewindex564]

it's so boring though. Watch starwars much better

[@ChampionSajid]

@@macewindex564touch some grass maybe

[@gryphon4150]

I thought I would feel the same about fmab with everyone hyping it up only for me to leave it thinking it was good but not worth my time. I'm hesitant to check it out especially because of that episode count.

[@ababuinjkjk8uipjm]

@NeonG24as someone who watched and liked LOGH I don’t understand this praise. From the first point it completely fails in its overall direction the characters usually look emotionless and lifeless it is completely unable to show don’t tell with any of its plot points so much so that if you don’t speak japanese it is pretty much like reading a book. And if you compare it to something like game of thrones, house of cards and other political shows which do a lot of its own aspects far better. If anything there are KZbinrs who have visualised and presented the ideas presented in LOGH in a far better and more succinct way. I just don’t think it’s the pinnacle of anything and is very much carried by the fact that most anime made these days does not want to have stories like that

[@Jepze158]

@@ababuinjkjk8uipjm It is pinnacle of political anime and space opera in anime.

[@StrangeGamer859]

Before anything else, the only reason LoGH is not on the top 10 on MAL is because different Gintama seasons are taking up three spots. If Gintama was counted as a single show LoGH would be ranked 8th

[@Scruffy72]

Lotgh used to be number 3 and 4 for the longest time.

[@Ok-tl1dv]

That's my main problem with mal. Why do different seasons count as different shows

[@MassDonfel]

Generally, all shows should be grouped into one "bundle," making it easier for new viewers to make sense of them. For example, when you click on "Shingeki," you would see Seasons 1, 2, 3, etc., under a single entry. The show would have one overall rating, which is the average of all its seasons. This approach would help prevent inflated scores. For instance, you can check any mainstream show, and you'll notice that later seasons often have higher ratings than earlier ones, despite having fewer viewers. Even as a Gintama fan, I think this issue should be addressed. Of course, there are other issues with MyAnimeList, such as fresh profiles that rate a few shows 10/10 and then never show up again. Similarly, there are cases where users give 1/10 ratings in the same manner and never return.

[@MassDonfel]

@@Scruffy72 Yeah, good old times. But as anime becomes more mainstream, shows like this will sadly fall off. LOTGH isn’t really “anime” in the usual sense-it has literally no anime tropes. It’s just a show that happens to be animated. And that creates an issue: typical anime fans won’t bother with it, and many people who would enjoy it skip it because it’s labeled as “anime.”

[@Ash_Wen-li]

That and people spammed 1-star ratings on it too

[@falnica]

"The Legend of the Galactic Heroes" is about this question: Is it better to have an inefficient democracy or a benevolent autocrat? Because Reinhardt is a good and just leader. He truly wants to create a better world, and he actually makes his corner of the world a better place. But Yang argues that he still prefers democracy, with all of its flaws and problems, because it is a system in which people can actually be equals, and that's the only way people can truly be friends

[@seileen1234]

The question is always: what if the good dictator dies? That's why i prefer democracy. It's flawed, slow but incremental and you can plan for the future even when a shit hits the fan. In a dictatirship you can't, on a surface level it is stable, but really it takes the smallest shit to hit the fan to broke everything

[@onlywei]

@@seileen1234but what if your democracy gets hijacked by special interests who pump so much money into lobbying that the average citizen’s vote has zero effect on government behavior?

[@jamekinro2850]

I believe the answer of the question is "Halfway met" or Constitutional monarchy.

[@JJE92a]

The problem with Legend of the Galactic Heroes is that this dichotomy is just completely utterly unrealistic. If you look at history, the likelihood of having a benevolent autocrat is just absurdly small. Most autocrats cannot come into or stay in power if they are benevolent - they have to cater to their selectorate who help them stay in power, which breeds corruption, otherwise they will be replaced sooner or later by someone who is more ruthless. Dictatorial power reinforces corruption and malevolent behavior by rulers. Legend of the Galactic Heroes of course is far from alone in this portrayal, it has been commonplace in traditional political philosophy, with Aristoteles, Plato or Hobbes arguing slightly different versions of it. And of course in most classical fantasy series, the benevolent king is a commonplace figure. But these are mostly fairy tales. In reality, you generally either have the choice of having an autocracy - and overwhelming odds lean towards a ruthless, corrupt leader - or a democracy, which may be flawed in many ways, but at least there are ways to hold the leaders accountable. This naive portrayal of autocratic politics is something that really frustrated me with this show.

[@onlywei]

@@JJE92a the problem with “democracy” is that we don’t have direct democracy. We have “representative” democracy. We mostly vote for people, not for policies. This makes it easy for rich people, corporations, and even FOREIGN interests to figure out who to lobby. The US government enacts the policies that the lobbyists desire, not what the people desire. All other “democratic” governments enact policies in line with the U.S. lobbyists, not what their people desire. And it’s all held together by the fact that the people who can afford lobbyists can also afford to buy out the media. In the world we live in, the “checks and balances” built into the U.S. constitution are completely blind to the power of lobbyists.

[@Typhy7]

Legend of the Galactic Heroes is by far and wide the best anime ever made and one of the best pieces of media ever made. There is just no competition. Nothing even comes close to how well thought out the politics and world building were and how fleshed out the characters were in this show. It is utterly excellent.

[@macewindex564]

It's so slow paced and dated. Most people drop it cause it's dull. Starwars is superior. May the force be with you

[@Ash_Wen-li]

​@@macewindex564Gundam is a better comparison to Star Wars. Even then they're not quite the same

[@thomasffrench36]

@@Ash_Wen-li honestly they are very similar. It’s just that Gundam was a tv show and Star Wars were movies

[@Big_show_guy]

calm down now

[@Ash_Wen-li]

​@@thomasffrench36Yeah I just mean in terms of specifics since Gundam is more of a war drama and Star Wars more of an action/adventure

[@寂び侘び-b6s]

Legend of the Galactic Heroes is the definition of “aged like fine wine.”

[@jovee6155]

5:12 is when they start talking about LOTGH

[@pcsamson1336]

Sieg Kaiser

[@JosephSpagnolo-wx9nj]

Ty bro

[@chaitanyajadhav1439]

😭😭😙👍🏻

[@jinzokrim9979]

The most useful comment thanks

[@hanzoshirogame7714]

Thanks bro

[@evanbloom4481]

Just finished this show. Do yourself a favor and watch it. Legend of the Galactic Heroes will hold up for eternity

[@karimhussein3610]

I'm really interested in starting it, but been kinda put off by the tons of movies/series that accompany the main OVA series. I feel like I'll need to dedicate way too much time on it

[@evanbloom4481]

@@karimhussein3610 I only watched the main OVA series and don't feel like I missed out on anything. From what I've heard online, the other shows/movies are completely optional to watch (I believe one of those shows is a remake of the original OVA series)

[@IAm-zo1bo]

​@@karimhussein3610Overture of a new War or whatever that movie's name was, is a replacement for the first 2 episodes because those weren't that good. Then starting from episode 3 you can just stay watching the rest of the ova

[@HajimeNoJMo]

Legend of the Galactic Heroes isn’t merely just a great anime, but a wonderful piece of sci-fi as a whole. I have yet to read the original novels, but I do recommend both the original and remake for their own distinguishing reasons. In the original anime, the presentation of computer graphics and technology may be outdated, but I feel the original has a superior Japanese voice cast and soundtrack.

[@TheWickedWizardOfOz1]

I only read the first novel, but I don't recommend it. Tanaka's writing is not fit for novels - it is very, very straightforward, with no poetic language at all. The 1988-1997 anime fits the events together better (the narrative is more linear, whereas the novel will just have the narrator spoil that something will happen later for no real dramatic reason), and the "men sitting in rooms talking with each other" works better with talented actors, in my opinion.

[@HajimeNoJMo]

@@TheWickedWizardOfOz1 did you read it in Japanese or English?

[@TheWickedWizardOfOz1]

@@HajimeNoJMo English, but I am assuming that the translator worked to translate to the best of his ability. (I have heard that he was not a good translator - that none of the official translations are very good, with some major blunders here and there - but also that the unpoetic writing style is accurate to the original.)

[@XavianBrightly]

I'm on volume 5 now. read the books, trust me if you love the story of LOGH the books will be a good read and have enough info drip fed that didnt make it into the anime to tickle your brain,

[@Ash_Wen-li]

For anyone wondering how to watch Legend of the Galactic Heroes: My Conquest is a Sea of Stars > Overture to a New War > Legend of the Galactic Heroes (Ep 3) I don't recommend the new anime unless you really can't stomach older anime at all

[@V---L]

Do the movies add anything? Because I just watched the anime and thought it was perfect.

[@willgoins218]

Great recommendation. This is how I was told to watch it and it became my favorite show. Gineipaedia is a great reference for looking up more information about LOGH.

[@Ash_Wen-li]

​@@V---L"My Conquest" is basically a battle that happens before the series. It was a pilot episode. The main battle in it is amazing with its use of the OST. Overture to a New War is a superior version of the first two episodes with fantastic directing and cinematography put into a 1 hour 40 min movie You're not really missing much since the main series has all the meat and potatoes, I just think it's a better way to jump into the series. There's a prequel series with out of order mini arcs which is nice if you want 50 episodes of new content

[@hadyalbagu8615]

Im a new anime fan, but i dont like to disregard an anime just because its old. Infact it intrigues me how anime this old is still talked about. Thank you for making it easier for me to watch now.

[@V---L]

@@Ash_Wen-li Is the prequel worth watching? Because I really liked the series, so I might check it out.

[@UltimateCrusherJoe]

I prefer the original, the remake is actually more faithful to the books than the OG but the added scenes and changes in my opinion made it a lot better. Though by no means is the new one bad, I just don't think its as good, and it does have a better start.

[@HD-mp6yy]

In my opinion watch the first two episodes of the Remake then continue with the Original

[@Yamiya08]

​@@HD-mp6yy Just watch the prequel movies then. My conquest is the sea of stars and overture to a new battle

[@HD-mp6yy]

@@Yamiya08 Not of you are new to LoGH. The first two episodes of the Neue These are a better introduction to the series

[@AnakinSkyobiliviator]

@@HD-mp6yy I would have to disagree, the two prequel movies are an excellent primer for the series. DNT (the "remake" in this context to the new people reading in) has some upsides and doesn't have character frontloading like the original, but OVA has a particular pacing and tone that isn't comparable to DNT. Like each episode starring one side then the other is not a bad way to go about it, but it DNT likes to make the battle more of an action piece than the OVA, (for an example, there was the omission of the tank beds line, which OVA uses to suggest the battle taking a long enough time for there to be fatigue) And out of my personal bias, the no-dialogue scene Lap's proposal in the Overture movie is one of my favorite scenes in all of anime-dom.

[@Rowri88]

the prequel movies are amazing especially on bluray, by far the best introduction in my opinion@@HD-mp6yy

[@niksmylonas3983]

In my honest opinion, Legend of the Galactic heroes is the peak anime has to offer. It's definately in the top 10 if not top 5 of all time. Such depth in characters and story, even if the pace can be hard at times, it always pays off with incredible results.

[@mamspugeti6931]

.... if it's the peak anime has to offer why is it not #1 of all time? why top 5 or 10? lol

[@Ash_Wen-li]

​@@mamspugeti6931 Because scores aren't objective, it's niche without mass appeal. And shounen fans spammed 1/10's on it to lower it's score

[@niksmylonas3983]

@@mamspugeti6931 Imo, all things considered, it is #1 , but I was speaking more generally. Although we may all admit it is peak, we all have our personal preferances and inclinations towards other anime as well that may suit our personality and tastes better.

[@ErenDenizMert]

​@@Ash_Wen-liI mean it would be 8th if we count all the gintama seasons as one

[@novafn509]

What are your top animes?

[@katelynpringle5506]

I can’t believe that Garnt was having a heart attack over whether or not Joey would have a hot take and then just hit me “You should just watch the remake.”!

[@jackmehoff9517]

Yang Wenli forever

[@HD-mp6yy]

Sieg Kaiser Reinhardt!

[@Ash_Wen-li]

​@@HD-mp6yyMan KZbin deleted my comment because it's pro-fascist VIVA DEMOCRACY!

[@atulyabharadwaj2279]

The magician doesn't come back

[@box7147]

Reinhard supremacy

[@nachochile1985]

Democracy sucks.

[@k00lkidz4]

the original OVA is the greatest anime of all time

[@sgtOOX]

so glad to see more and more people talking about LotGH, it got me into proper literature and reading Thucydides, Tolstoy etc. Just a god-tier show all around

[@currywahouse]

銀河英雄伝説で民主主義は国民が政治に関心を持って責任を負わなければならないと教えてくれた。

[@AnakinSkyobiliviator]

Finally, the day is here when TT talks about Legend of the Galactic Heroes! To the newcomers of the franchise, welcome. The community might be elitist and the debate between the newer show vs the original OVA will never end, but that's just how things are. If you are wondering how to start watching the OVA, there are two movies (My Conquest is the Sea of Stars, Overture to a New War) and then you can go ahead to episode 3 of the OVA onwards to finish (Overture is the remake of Ep. 1 and 2). Afterwards, there are gaiden prequel series but I would recommend taking a break first before starting that. As for DNT (the re-adaptation that people tend to call the remake), you can just start on the first episode onwards. It's not done though.

[@zainm5919]

Would you recommend the dubbed versions of any of these (assuming there is one)? Subtitles won't hinder me at all but it would be nice to know.

[@AnakinSkyobiliviator]

@@zainm5919 The OVA doesn't have a dub version outside of fandubs and a proof of concept official dubbing of like two episodes that got nowhere. As for DNT, I can't speak of it personally since I haven't seen it in dub but from what I gather it's mostly inoffensive.

[@Ash_Wen-li]

I find it funny that Garnt is praising LotGH so much considering he hasn't even started Season 3. Half of what he's watched is considered the weakest part of the show

[@Indeeee]

What do you think? Is the remake better than the 80s version like Garnt says?

[@zeroyuki92]

​@@Indeeee Both has pro cons. I actually like both. Watch OG if you have a lot of free time and like the documentary style approach it has. Watch remake if you like a more modern approach and/or has little time to spare.

[@TheButterMinecart1]

@@zeroyuki92The art/animation is a bit dated in the first half of the original but the second half is really beautifully drawn.

[@lordblazer]

@@Indeeee No the original is better.

[@NihongoWakannai]

​@@TheButterMinecart1 the animation is definitely dated, but 99.9% of the show doesn't rely on the animation anyway. I really think the art style and music of the 80s works so much better for it.

[@ComradeArthur]

LoGH wasn't released on DVD. (when it first came out) It was released on LASERDISC to monthly subscribers. The kind of wildly ambitious project that could be done at the peak of the Japanese bubble economy. Some much deserved love!

[@NihongoWakannai]

Yeah, it's honestly insane the economic conditions that existed at that time. This is why 80s anime is just so interesting because people could pour money into super interesting projects.

[@as00r60]

"if Sun Tzu met Napoleon in space"

[@Alex-ur7gk]

Yi Sun Sin more like. Yang Wen Li seems to be based off of him.

[@AlexTekle]

Connor sounds like a phezzani npc lmfao. love how expansive LOGH’s voice cast is.

[@guilhermelousao]

Back in the day (around 2008,2009 maybe?) Logh was one of the higher ranked anime on mal, if i remember correctly it even got ranked top 1 for a brief moment before being dethroned by gintama and FMA brotherhood

[@talisa222]

I feel it's only very recently that it fell out of the top 5? It was fourth or fifth even a couple of years ago, when DNT started.

[@InTheEternalNight]

@@talisa222 yup but new Animes like Attack on Titan or Jujutsu kaisen jumped to the top, knowing that AoT has maybe more then 3 parts in the highest 15 Animes on MAL, so ...

[@ErenDenizMert]

​@@InTheEternalNightAnd imdb

[@antonhallergren588]

Still better than all of them. Lotgh makes whatever you watch after it for a long time feel like that eww brother eww meme.

[@InTheEternalNight]

@@antonhallergren588 I agree.

[@tristanlee8495]

This part in the podcast convinced me to watch Legend of the Galactic Heroes and my immediate feelings upon finishing it were how similar it was to my all time favourite novel; Worm. Narrative wise they are very different but they share an overriding element in their storytelling being that characters talking and interacting is almost always more captivating and on many occasions far more tense than any of the action or battle scenes. In Worm I would often skim read the fights so that I could get back to character interactions and had the exact same feeling towards most of LGH.

[@Shamino1]

I binged LOTGH back in the summer of 2014 during a particularly bad time, and then re-watched it the following summer in 2015. It remains, to this day, the most ambitious socio-political commentary ever attempted by an animated artwork. Out of the 90+ episodes of LOTGH, not a single one of them feels like filler, not even the episodes clearly designed to be such (the history documentaries, slice of life episodes of Reinhardt and his mistress, "I wish Kircheis was still here" episodes, etc..) all forwarded the plot in some way or provided the viewer with additional background to specific character motivations. One of the largest and impressive casts, in a time where budget constraints were VERY real, each character had defining traits and a singular unique flair to them which makes them recognizable in re-watches. Game of Thrones is the only popular westernized television series I can think of which has the same amount (initially) of ambition and trust in its audience to follow along, and that's just War of the Roses with Dragons. LOTGH is something far more ambitious, and it really, really nails the ending.

[@NihongoWakannai]

Yeah, one of the greatest achievements is how it simply doesn't fumble its plot. Keeping a long, dense plot held together like that is a massive feat and really makes it feel so satisfying to watch it progress the whole way through. Lots of writers can set up a grand story, very few can follow through properly.

[@ZorroVulpes]

30 years later and it still hasn't been topped

[@antonhallergren588]

Monster but still not even close.

[@melejitt]

probably will never be

[@antonhallergren588]

It is so good it makes things you thought were good look mediocre. It is like reading a really, really good book.

[@Ok-tl1dv]

"You know what's better than sex? A really good book." -Bo Burnham

[@EmperorKnives]

Legend of the Galactic Heroes is hands down the best anime I have ever seen. It’s a shame that it’s only legally available for streaming with English subs in one website (and in one territory!)

[@nightbarongaming3237]

That's why the seven seas exist

[@Maknorr-v8w]

Dune and legend of the galactic heroes is peak comparison.

[@keanubredenkamp3776]

As someone who watch the remake, it's great as well. I really enjoyed the characters and the space combat is far more enjoyable imo than the original. Both are great, so it depends what kinda show u enjoy more. But to a new watcher who is used to watching newer shows, start with the remake, and if you enjoy it continue with the original from the beginning. Don't listen to the hardcire fans, the original is incredible, but so us the remake. Ideally u should watch both of them, but if you don't like the older style, def give the remake a try, jts really good ^^

[@Grudgebearer47]

People just hate the remake because of the character designs.

[@keanubredenkamp3776]

@@Grudgebearer47 as someone who likes older anime, I actually prefer the never art style tbh.

[@thomasffrench36]

Well the reason why adventure/action shows get higher rankings is because anime fans tend to be more interested in genre fiction. If they weren’t, they would probably be watching crime epics or family dramas because there’s a lot of those in live action television and film. I think that many anime fans do like that stuff, but I am guessing that isn’t the majority. Like people won’t care if a show has incredible writing, if it doesn’t have high stakes, it cannot be an all time great. Legend of the Galactic Heroes is an amazing example where I would say a lot of drama films are on the level of that anime, but since it’s science fiction, a lot of people who aren’t exposed to that kind of stuff will be amazed by it. Of course Garnt would prefer the new one, he’s so recency biased. Also I personally haven’t seen either one, but I can tell that the original is better, but that’s probably because I tend to not be biased toward newer stuff and take things on their own merits.

[@Ash_Wen-li]

The new one is a little better in some places but it misses out a lot on the charm and timeless feeling

[@infinitewaffles9396]

How can you take something that you haven't even experienced on it's own merits? That's just you assigning merit to something because someone told you it had merit. You don't need to have an opinion about everything.

[@NihongoWakannai]

"a lot of drama films are on the same level" If you think any film could possibly be on the same level then you completely missed what makes LotGH good. A film can never reach what LotGH did because the biggest achievement of LotGH is it's massive scale and how it successfully holds its plot together over a very long story without fumbling it at all. A film that's only a couple hours long is a completely different medium. You may as well be comparing a film to a painting.

[@KakyouKuzuki2001]

The LOGH remake could have 10 episodes more than the old version as each book is covered by 12 episodes and there 10 books.

[@voncho1127]

Finally you guys are talking about the GOAT Anime. The OG is my all time personal favorite Anime of all Time. Space politics, immersive world building, F'ing BATTLEAXES in space, classical music > Anime Tiddies

[@looiyuanjieyuanjie1451]

finally you guys are doing this, i have been waiting for you guys to spread the word of this anime for a long time!

[@filippogabello1567]

Shit, I'll get all the pretentious callouts but I'll wear my love for LOTGH (in all format - Original, Remake, Novels) proudly on my sleeves!

[@vladdyomkin]

Logh is the ONLY anime I ever gave 10 on mal. Other anime is good, but nothing can even remotely come closer to logh

[@novafn509]

What else are your favourites?

[@vladdyomkin]

@@novafn509 gintama, ergo proxy, initial D, chainsaw man and konosuba

[@khatririshi6378]

Try neon genesis evangelion, monster, monogatari, tomorrow's joe they all are goats ​@@vladdyomkin

[@justinlacek1481]

9:30 That's insane, I've always said this about the show as well, I didn't think it was a common opinion. It feels like watching history unfold.

[@NihongoWakannai]

It's pretty clearly written by someone who is a big fan of the narratives of history, the characters themselves read our own history too.

[@richtheking7078]

I started LOGH the remake i really loved and decided to watch the orginal and i was mindblown a good it is. It is the best anime ever made. Yang wen-li is the best character love him

[@supsup335]

DNT is, in my opinion as someone who watched the OVA and read the books, far worse that the OVA. It ditches the Theatre/Documentary-style of presentation to some degree, changes some scenes and plotpoints in ways I personally don't like and care for and expands on scenes that I thought were explained well enough and, worse of all, changed the ship design. Seriously, the overdesgined nature of the new ships is criminal. Half the time I don't know what I'm looking at, and I designe spaceships in my free time. I looked at 3d models of the DNT ships, I looked at more pictures than I can count. And I miss the old bricks vs pistols pf the original. And Don't get me started on the fucking gondolas. I'm sorry, but that is something that just pissed me off. So sorry Garnt, but I think you are dead wrong about the remake being better

[@talisa222]

He did say it was a hot take. I think there's definitely a solid category of people who would enjoy the remake more than the original. I am someone who liked the original more, but the better/worse is not as unequivocal as some hardcore fans make it sound sometimes.

[@phillipn6475]

The original is definitely better, but the remake is still very good, in fact, they both do compliment each other in one way or another. There are scenes that were better in the remake and scenes that were better in the original, and watching both makes me appreciate them more overall. As you said, I like how the original presents it as more of a “documentary” but I also do love how the remake makes it “cinematic and grand.”

[@beetheimmortal]

DNT is absolutely worse in every possible metric basically, I can't even say it has better visuals considering the fucking atrocious character designs. I mean, just compare Yang's DNT version to the original OVA, for a good example, although Reinhard is also a good comparison. I guess the animation is technically more fluid, but that's not something that should matter too much in what is basically a political/pseudo-historical drama.

[@supsup335]

@@beetheimmortalI wouldn't word it with such hostility, but I do agree that I struggled to tell DNT characters apart from each other, as they tend to have similar faces.

[@beetheimmortal]

@@supsup335 I consider that a huge step down from the orginal where everyone had unique and recongizable faces. DNT just makes them into modern sameface anime characters. Consider Reinhard and Kircheis for example. In the original, while they shared some similarities, they also had entirely different facial structures and hairstyles, making them easily recongizable. In DMT, they literally took the same design and painted the hair differently. Hell, even Yang Wen-li, who's supposed to be over 10 years older than Reinhard, looks basically the same but with a different hair colour. And don't even get me starded on DNT's story, which cut out so much from the original. Even the OVA is guilty of that and of rushing some parts to some extent, but DNT is on a whole other level, which is somewhat understandable considering the shorter runtime, but it's still a downgrade. I'm not really hostile toward DNT (I really like the song "Binary Star" for example), I just find it very disappointing and I have the same problem with it as other remakes: the existence of a remake implies that the original is outdated and bad, and may make some people just outright ignore the original, which, in my opinion, would be a terrible choice.

[@Arassar]

Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu is my white whale. I've had it downloaded forever, but it's hard to take that first step on a series that's 110 episodes.

[@giuseppeagresta1425]

I suggest starting it without caring too much about its length It's a pretty dense and convoluted series so between one thing and the other I ended up watching it very slowly, binging 2 episodes at a time It took me one year and a half to finish it, but it was a beautiful experience anyway

[@Ash_Wen-li]

Start with the two movies after that you'll want to jump right in

[@pedrovoss7852]

It's all about mindset

[@zeroyuki92]

The remake is easier to jump into if length/datedness is your concern

[@IAm-zo1bo]

Just watch it watch 1 episode a day at least

[@shyguy5473]

Only watched the movie prequel and the first episode and it got me really interested in the world. If I wasn't already watching few other shows I would be much ahead.

[@AnakinSkyobiliviator]

The first two episodes of the OVA is condensed and have additional scenes in the Overture to a New War movie if you are interested.

[@outlaw451]

Connor is in ep 30 near the beginning in a bar scene.

[@yeetkunedo]

LOGH is something anitube should be talking about more often. It’s truly the high bar of grounded narrative in the medium, which is wild, considering it’s a sci-fi show of a speculative far flung future. Also, the scene mentioned at the end of this clip is the greatest two-character showdown in visual media. No violence. No winner. Only two good men who repeatedly survived impossible odds with different ideas of how to achieve peace, sitting down to respectfully see one another clearly. It’s a masterclass in how to write intelligent fiction without seeming pretentious about how intelligent it is.

[@Madaoke]

"just watch the remake" Absolute terrible opinion, the fact that he didn't even complete it says it all. I was in from start to finish and this just tells me he didn't actually enjoy it.

[@NihongoWakannai]

Tbf his job is watching anime, I can understand if he has a hard time watching a long form anime while also having to watch a bunch of trash anime for a job.

[@thezeus101]

looked for information about the show, podcasters gave good information with no spoilers. Thanks!

[@sukotsutoCSSR]

I watch LotGH every year, and I still enjoy it

[@Waldemarvonanhalt]

The 1988 LOGH adaptation is a real cup of tea if you're the kind of kid who grew up loving watching documentary series like Battlefield on Discovery Channel and Decisive Battles on History Channel etc.

[@1good100]

I'm so glad Garnt finally talked about LOTGH remake. I've been waiting for him to bring it up for so long. It feels so undervalued for a such an amazing anime that's been airing right along our regular seasons. Sadly no one's talking about it aside from a cult following.

[@Coryameta]

Litterally just finished binge watching this 2 days ago. I watched the first season when it first came out and didn't even think it was getting more seasons. Glad it did!

[@murasame5071]

And i have to Dissagree with Garnt. Dont watch the Remake. Watch the original. Original is better in everything.

[@hunterlake2980]

I have to Disagree with you Dont watch the original Watch the remake Remake is better in everything

[@murasame5071]

okey , we agree to disagree The remake loos bad imo. the characters look like kpop stars , some you cant tell man and woman apart if you dont know. the space ships are so CGI , your eyes start to hurt at one point . @@hunterlake2980

[@tayahangysl7751]

@@hunterlake2980 but it's not

[@hunterlake2980]

@@tayahangysl7751 It is, I enjoyed it much more than the original. You sure its not nostalgia thats clouding your judgment...

[@NihongoWakannai]

To be fair the combat animation of the original is janky. But it's so uncommon it doesnt matter.

[@internetgoat4831]

Die Neue These is what introduced me to the old OVA so I can't shit on it since if it wasn't good for me then I wouldn't even bother trying the OVA with or without the knowledge that it is a remake.

[@mohdfahmiilhanbinahmadarif6836]

I've watched up to ep 30+. For a year now and so far it's decent nothing too crazy happen for now. I don't want to rushed it. Because I know this type of show is a slow burn. So yeah will continue when the right time come.

[@Ash_Wen-li]

First season is widely considered to be the weakest part

[@jam6875]

I felt like it really slowed down after you know who died

[@mohdfahmiilhanbinahmadarif6836]

@@jam6875 Who kircheis?

[@jam6875]

yes @@mohdfahmiilhanbinahmadarif6836

[@lisaeriksson1081]

my favorite show ever, but I prefer the orginal

[@shyguy5473]

Kaguya sama love is war is probably my favourite romance show because of the two characters. There is a reason Miyuki and Kaguya work as a couple and season 3 and the movie really establish why. Also the comedy is great. My favourite episode is probably the rap episode.

[@BlueCollar80]

LOGH reminds me of Dune, it's very political and a lot of things happened that need a lot of attention to the smallest detail. and I love it because I just love to waste my time to over analyze what happened on a fictional world in a fictional story.

[@HIPSTERdudeTV]

I’m really interested in checking this series out! For anyone who’s seen both the og and the remake, does it matter which one to watch? I think the remake is on crunchyroll so I was leaning towards that but I want a second opinion lol

[@blazstajcar9336]

If you just want to experience the story then watch the old version since it's actually finished, if you want to spend a few more years of your life waiting for a more faithful adaptation of the novels then watch and wait for the remake to finish. IMO both have their merits and you really can't go wrong with either

[@talisa222]

I think for anime fans who aren't used to that older character design, it would be good to watch DNT first as DNT is more "accessible" for modern anime fans who are more used to the sleek animations and modern style (the space battles also look cooler even if they sacrifice some detail and depth for sleekness). But the original story is still the best IMO. So hopefully the new anime can be a gateway to the old anime? If you end up liking the characters and the world, you can always go to the OVA and watch that. If you're fine with the OVA's meh animation and character design then you should go with that. Personally I find the OVA's designs charming, but I know people who only got into anime in the last few years disagree with me lol.

[@blazstajcar9336]

@@talisa222 the OVA designs are more faithful to the military theme that's for sure. the remake makes it painfully clear that it's modern for better or worse and I can definitely agree that the OVA has more charm since I personally prefer the grit of 80's OVA, but as you pointed out the remake is more palatable for modern anime fans and if it can serve as a gateway to the classics it's certainly a good thing

[@AnakinSkyobiliviator]

It's up to your personal preference. The way I've seen it described is if the OVA was the historical account of the events, the remake/re-adaptation is a dramatized/action movie adaptation of those events. Like the history of WW2 and WW2 movies.

[@tutopakieshamikelj8732]

for me the ova slaps diff but its your choice don't let people stop you

[@marioleon86]

Garnt I urge you to do a review of Legend of the Galactic Heroes Original vs Remake, since you gave that hot take

[@Smoothbluehero]

LotGH is an incredible anime, basically a more elevated version of Code Geass. I like it because of the gorgeous 80s anime design, its incredible to watch Reinhard rise of power. That being said, its very long and difficult to finish, and the show kinda stagnates a bit mid way, especially if it enters a story arc you don’t care about. It picks back up towards the end tho. It develops characters well and its not afraid to kill people off, you’ll hate to see them die.

[@wildeskompositum9556]

very rare based Trash Taste

[@jaripruim]

This episode is just Garnt preparing for a Joey hot take nuke that surprisingly doesn't happen

[@indiiedreamer]

I tried to watch it and is so complicated, I was so lost in episode 12, I was like "who are they?" "are they the good ones?" so is still in my list, the music tho, favorite ever, love the op and ed!

[@omcritzy]

I think I would rank LOTG in my top 5 or around kingdom in my top 10. If some people would say this is their #1 show, I would believe them and not go against them because it argubly could take the #1 spot of any time.

[@Apthealer]

Finally a good take by trash taste

[@marioleon86]

I started watching the show when the remake came out because I had heard gigguck talk about it like 10 years ago,but the original one

[@GendAlf546]

In LOGH i love how this thing is... EPIC. Not in a hype way and more in a "how it big" way. You have a massive sector of our galaxy as a political/battlefield. You can feel the weight of every events and every desidions. You can actually see the references on a F*CKING Homer's Trojan Cycle and some couple of other myths and stories! This anime is incredible

[@Arassar]

Why do we regard action-adventure shows above romance? Because STUFF HAPPENS IN THEM. There are a lot of good romance shows, but they legit seem to be much rarer than good action shows. I bet it's because of the demographics of the viewership.

[@thomasffrench36]

No, because anime fans care more about stakes than good writing.

[@talisa222]

@@thomasffrench36 If that were true, there should be no discourse whatsoever about JJK. Everybody should love it theoretically 😄

[@thomasffrench36]

@@talisa222 never said they didn’t care about writing, but they will watch a show with higher stakes than a show with good writing.

[@itsankit1507]

5:10 is what you came here for

[@justinlacek1481]

Honestly I agree about just watching the remake. They both have pros and cons, but on the whole, the remake does a much better job with the characters and the cinematography.

[@fangbozhu7379]

im on ep36 rn, having a blast!

[@Tera-plex]

Been meaning to watch this but I've got to much on my backlog already.

[@roflomaozedong]

Nobody watched it, we are like, a thousand?

[@Waldemarvonanhalt]

The only thing LOGH really needs is to have all the scenes redrawn in the original 80's style, just with higher fidelity and consistent quality. The voice actors were great, so no need to improve there.

[@nanamarley9601]

Connor would LOVE this show i swear

[@waryace2]

When the anime season is dry I always can rewatch LOTGH and it never gets old.

[@kaiserwilhelmii674]

Watched the series a few years ago. Loved it so much I bought the original books. That was mostly because the OVA on dvd was more expensive than buying all 10 of the books

[@only1needed]

The art in old adaptation is far more charming in my opinion

[@enriquekahn9405]

old one is legitimately by far the best anime I have seen I havent seen new one (yet)

[@TheTickyTickyTicky]

It's like 100 episodes of dramatic banters and plot twists. Just when you think the plot could not twist any further, it did, just like a shitty soap opera after evening news. The show almost convinced me to accept dictatorship, until I realized they put the best example of dictatorship against the worst example of democracy. Shit's rigged yo.

[@giuseppeagresta1425]

LET'S GOOOOO LOGH

[@tnndll4294]

A show that depicts Democracy at it's worse & Imperial Dictatorship at it's best.

[@tnndll4294]

Good story tellers & artists usually make poor managers in real life.

[@thedemotivationalspeaker3090]

I get the vibe that this is a Dune type of story and I loved Dune.

[@Fafnir989]

I’m so hyped for more die neue these

[@sirravixfourhorn7681]

LoGH has 4 seasons. The first 3 seasons are some of the best drama I have ever had the joy of experiencing in my whole life. The last season, however, is a noticeable and clear step down, as far as I'm concerned. I just cared less and less about the stakes by the end.

[@mymemoriesofgoldenricefiel6472]

最近アメリカで銀河英雄伝説が注目されているというニュース記事が日本の新聞に出て、逆に今まで海外の人達は銀河英雄伝説の事を知らなかったのか?とびっくりした。 銀河英雄伝説と言えば1982年に小説の第1巻が初めて出版されて以来、日本ではみんな小学生か中学生の時に絶対に夢中で読んだ事あるよね?って言うぐらいの大人気ベストセラー小説だし、日本のアニメの歴史に名を刻んだ長編大作なのに。 銀河英雄伝説は出版されている本の数や本屋の多さから出版大国と言われたくさんの小説が次々に出版されている日本で十二国記(小説家の小野不由美の有名なシリーズ小説)と同じくらいみんなに読まれてきた事で有名な小説だよ。 海外の人に分かりやすく言うと銀河英雄伝説を知らないって言うのはハリー・ポッターやピーターラビットやおさるのジョージを知らないって言うのと同じくらいの驚きに近いと思う。 特に日本の今の30代から50代ぐらいの人にとっては。 時々、幼稚園に通っているような小さい子も銀河英雄伝説を知っていたりするし。

[@melejitt]

the novel didn't get a translation until 2016, and copies of the OVA were hard to find back in the day. it was only after accessing anime became easier because of internet that people started finding out about it.

[@jaxsonburch-eo1vz]

Where can I watch this show? I can’t find it anywhere. Also should I watch the remake or the original?

[@Ash_Wen-li]

I think the newer one is on Crunchy roll and the older one HiDive (last I checked) Newer one is better in the beginning and a bit more modernised but the older one has far more charm and is completed. You just have to bear with terrible animation, especially at the beginning

[@syedkaneki91]

Animepahe has all episodes good quality

[@carljanale4566]

I haven't watch the remake, so can I ask where the last episode of the remake ended in the OVA? Also I would like to ask about the experience of watching both OVA and Remake.

[@breadbaskets2772]

Grant needs to finish the original LOGH. He stopped watching at the best part.

[@Palewanderer001]

Its funny, when i grew up, i watch gintama s1, and nobody else cared for it. But everyone said to watch lotgh. These days, barely anyone can say they watched lotgh, but everyone loves gintama. Wonder how gintama blew up so hard. For real.

[@localneo-graphic4647]

Haven't watched remake, but OG is amazing. It's just not something you will see made these days, it was considered a risk even back in the 80s, when just about anything and everything could get green lit if you were established in the industry with how the Japanese economy was. Book adaptations just don't exist anymore, it's all manga, LN (not real books, occasionally VNs, and maybe some OC every blue moon. There's just so much damn manga and so many LNs that already have legit followings that are so much safer. It's really a shame, because despite the volume of content these days, we're lucky to get ANYTHING that's even half original.

[@TheNickcone]

Don't listen to these guys. The remake is mediocre. Instead, watch the original. It's one of the greatest anime of all time.

[@beetheimmortal]

6:49 Please, PLEASE for the love of God, DO NOT WATCH THE REMAKE. It does not improve upon the original in any way, is unfinished and heavily cut due to it being considerably shorter. Even the original OVA cuts quite a few things from the novels due to time constraints, but DNT is on a whole other level. The character designs are also much worse in DNT, at least in my opinion. If you can AT ALL deal with some janky oldschool animation, please watch the original.

[@pinorska6316]

I disagree but I would mainly just say to watch the original because it's finished. I can get why you'd prefer the original character designs and DNT does have some weird choices but still I wouldn't say it's in any way worse.

[@Zero-ef4sc]

Watching the remake is okay. The modern CGI makes the space battles actually understandable and they've expanded on some of the tactics used. I will say in season 1, they definitely did cut a lot of stuff that 100% made it worse than the original, specifically concerning the Battle of Amritzar where they skipped all the prep Reinhard did. On the other hand, after that, they adapt it pretty much equally good, sometimes better, sometimes worse. Not liking character designs is just your bias. Once it is finished, we can properly say, but for now, the old one seems slightly better.

[@danielaxelsson8881]

Why didnt someone mention japanese cast of Vegeta voices the main character in LOGH?

[@assasinsjeff]

Its like True detective S1. We get to act elite after Watching it lol

[@randenlewis152]

Anilist > mal

[@karimhussein3610]

IMDb above all imo

[@murasame5071]

i wonder why people should watch THE BEST ANIME OF ALL TIME .....

[@DanTheYoutubeAddict]

The remake of Legend of the Galactic Heroes is generally better in my opinion because it is more faithful to the original story. The original version, while definitely a great show, has enough issues with it that I prefer the remake. The most notable issue is the shear amount of filler in it. The only filler that I am willing to accept is in the first half of season 1 because most of the filler primes the audience for the second half. It really makes us root for Reinhard to win out over his enemies in the second half, meanwhile we the audience have some difficult political questions to answer ourselves regarding the Free Planet's Alliance in the second half because we are shown just how corrupt and ineffective the government is in the first half.

[@captainobvious0019]

The best anime i have ever watched, no doubt.

[@willgoins218]

GOAT

[@EckhartLuthor]

Wait, is it not finished? I've only watched the remake up until the third Seiran movie, I thought they were finished.

[@Ash_Wen-li]

Not it's not even half way through. Maybe about 1/3

[@EckhartLuthor]

@@Ash_Wen-li For real? Season 5 is coming next year right? 24 eps or so. At that point, will it be halfway?

[@Ash_Wen-li]

​@@EckhartLuthorYeah it should be about halfway done by the time the next season ends