Trekyards EP347 - Intrepid Half Saucer

[@thribs]

Tuvok wasn’t around to get rid of the fins.

[@owli-wankenobi3727]

I guess one of the designers of this craft must've been Tom Paris' great,great,great,great grandfather.

[@Peoples_Republic_of_Devonshire]

I'd have loved to see a fleet of Intrepids and Deltas go into the expanse after the Enterprise and back them up

[@xXxLegolas007xXx]

I really liked that ship. Looked good and was logical that the NX was the next step of the Intrepid. I think there were maybe 10-15 Ships in the Fleet at the time and that maybe 5 are Stuck to the Sol System for defence and science dutys and maybe some Intrepids are set to Escort and Patrol Dutys for Freigthers and so on. Or maybe small exploration on nearby systems. I think its top speed would be warp 4 or smth like that mayb it was built with Max warp 3.5 and upgraded later explaining the big Nacells and chunky design.

[@bryanmcfarland967]

Hi Guys! Maybe an ancestor of Tom Paris was involved with adding the fins? :-)

[@Ostermond]

I love me some Enterprise-era craft!

[@Twitchguy]

Favorite enterprise era ship for earth forces. Say what you will about enterprise writing/acting but that show nailed ship designs on every ship they showed

[@arikbord2256]

I still like the idea that the Franklin and Enterprise were competing for some sort of x-prize (similar to the competition that resulted in the F-22). Starfleet wanted a warp 5 ship, Franklin was the first to break warp 4, but ultimately failed to get full production. The Archer designed engine won and the Franklin was put into mothballs until the war, when it was refitted with Archer engines and recommissioned NX-326.

[@larqven0192]

That competition concept is an interesting idea! Certainly there is a possibility of competitive designs.

[@WaybackTECH]

I like the chunky look of this ship. I think it really fits perfect for the era. It's not so much about styling as it is just getting the job done. Seems like the "wings" should mean this is meant to fly through atmosphere but they don't seem like they would do much being so front heavy. Stabilizers make sense maybe. Either way I like the tacked on, primitive chunky looks. I thought of this era as, different manufacturers made generic "off the shelf" parts, and ship builders just bought the parts and slapped a ship together, including Star Fleet.

[@futurerandomness1620]

it would be cool if they put the reaction control thrusters at the end of those wings. The further out you can put them the more leverage you would have, which would equal faster roll. Unfortunately they didn't do that

[@saladinbob]

Maybe they used the other half of the saucer to make another Intrepid class...

[@thethirdchimpanzee]

You are my new God. I bow to you.

[@jocax188723]

I always thought they were radiator fins. Y’know, to counter the bridge being cooked between the nacelles, they shunt excess heat to the fins-probably via those pipes. Coolant pipes, maybe?

[@xheralt]

Radiators are a surprisingly necessary part for _any_ kind of space travel that gets frequently overlooked by nontechnical drama writers. There's a cheap ebook called "The Hot Equations" by Ken Burnside that goes into it, look it up.

[@MisterTee]

Not a bad looking little ship

[@PsychoStreak]

I actually really like this one for some reason. It seems like it could be a hot rod of a ship with some upgrades. I like that the nacelles are big and kind of clunky. Probably due to bigger but less powerful/efficient coils than the NX, but that gives us some progression. It would imagine either a nacelle swap or just upgrading the internals of the existing ones plus a newer warp core would be possible as its a pretty plain design. If any survived the Romulan War, I'd imagine some admirals would have them upgraded and assigned as their personal flagship. Small tight knit crew, veterans who can be counted on, but may not fit well in the new Federation Starfleet. The only thing I don't like about the design (and the NX) is the hood scoop. It doesn't appear to serve any purpose at all, It's too small to be a landing bay, it's not a bussard collector, and doesn't seem to be a sensor array or observation deck, so it's just a nonfunctional hood scoop. What I'd REALLY love to see is this ship in a TMP era refit. Refit Nacelles, Inset deflector, phaser balls and torpedo launchers. 24 to 30 crew on patrol or as a fast courier. And no, not the Akyazi class. It's different enough that I don't like that one as much.

[@markbernero9302]

I always felt the same way about the hood scoop, and never liked the Akyazi class either!

[@trashmann3809]

Glad to have found someone that went into depth on looking at this ship. I had questions about it's details. It was nice to listen to your analysis on the shape, design and details. I agree they should have shown this ship more on screen as it obviously would have been more in the Earth fleet than the NX Class ships like Enterprise and Colombia.

[@devon940]

The ship originally was designed to reach warp 3.5. In the early 2160s, the Intrepids were refitted. The engine cores were replaced, which enabled them to reach the speed of warp 5.6 for a limited time. The ship had a crew complement of 46. Due to the heat emanating from the bussard collectors, storage rooms were placed in the saucer sections beneath them. Cooling fins were attached to the rear of the nacelles. (ENT - Rise of the Federation novel: A Choice of Futures)

[@darthtripedacus1]

devon940 good book series

[@DelcoRanz93]

I think those nacelle fins are meant to dissipate the excess heat generated by the warp coils

[@johnkinnicutt4509]

I think I remember reading that in one of the Romulan war novels. Something about the nacelles being very close to the hull necessitating the heat to be drawn away.

[@jesse33cdn]

I like it better than anything from DSC!

[@sternencolonel7328]

the nacelles look like they have been refitted, like it had smaller ones before, maybe an upgrade from warp2 to warp4.

[@thunderfeet]

That’s a great idea. It’s why they are so close to the bridge.

[@stevew8513]

I absolutely love the Intrepid design. I think the only thing that needs changing is the warp nacelles being pushed so forward. And as a nod to the future Intrepid class ships from Voyager, maybe the reason it has fins is because it is capable of atmospheric flight, and the details on the underside of the ship might hide enclosed landing gear.

[@AlexVonT]

fins help radiate the heat.. maybe they glow a little bit more orange as time goes by until you go into warp and use FTL friction to drag off all that excess heat :D

[@CaptainForsyth]

Been waiting for this. one of my favourite design of 22nd Century.

[@mathiasm5464]

The extra fins are there to help the nacelles cool off. They said it in Star Trek: Enterprise Rise of the Federation: a Choice of Futures.

[@alderfek]

This class was fitted with phase cannons and torpedo launchers. (ENT episode: "The Expanse") The Intrepid class was 165 meters long. (ST reference: The Official Starships Collection #44) An elliptical deflector dish was integrated into the front of the saucer, where the leading edge had been cut out. It was flanked by sensor pallets. The engines were housed in a shortened engineering section. Impulse engines were attached to the rear of the saucer, and nacelle pylons with one nacelle each were mounted on the engineering section. These nacelles were shorter than their NX-class counterparts, and overlapped with the primary hull. (ST reference: The Official Starships Collection #44) Due to the heat emanating from the bussard collectors, storage rooms were placed in the saucer sections beneath them. Cooling fins were attached to the rear of the nacelles. (ENT - Rise of the Federation novel: A Choice of Futures) In the early 2160s, the Intrepids were refitted. The engine cores were replaced, which enabled them to reach the speed of warp 5.6 for a limited time. Other new technologies were installed as well, including deflector shields and tractor beams. (ENT - Rise of the Federation novel: A Choice of Futures) The engine room was similar to that of the NX-class, but smaller than on the Columbia-class starship. (ENT - Rise of the Federation novels: A Choice of Futures, Uncertain Logic)

[@evilmark443]

I always loved this ship

[@joearmstrong2404]

Plenty of stuff on the outside of the nacelles. Maybe the fin looking things are external landing platforms for PMCS and repairs.

[@xaviergamer5907]

Reminds me of Voyager. It makes sense since it is in the same class. Nicely done.

[@lukerope1906]

I like the notion that designs of the earth ships start with the delta-shaped VentureStar. Slap warp engines on that and you get the likes of the Warp Delta and the Emmette. Then designers take delta shape and morph it into a semi-circular shape.

[@johnkinnicutt4509]

Love this ship design. I like the NX, but this would have made a better Enterprise in my opinion. Recognizable as a Star Trek style ship, but closer to what I would imagine from this time period. Perhaps scale the nacelles down a hair and it would be a sweet Enterprise.

[@doczolfer3523]

its funny how the warp engines on the Intrepid look more TOS style then the NX's do

[@schott106]

Was always disapointed that when xindi weapon got to earth never had a fleet battle. Where was home defence. Just shran a degra ship. Would have figured earth better defended

[@watchthe1369]

I like the impulse drive units out at the tips of the saucer, a high ship would have high maneuverability wit that sort of positioning.

[@rsean4083]

The warp nacelles look kind of like Dr Who’s sonic screwdriver.

[@franksmedley8619]

The 'fins' might be a set of warp bubble stabilizers. Allowing the bubble to be more flattened and widened that a true sphere around the warp core center. These would be 'done away with' in later ships by fitting stabilizers elsewhere on the hull, mounted flush or inset into the hull, or even replaced by ones that projected there effect beyond the physical hull of the ship from someplace internally mounted. Considering that this is a pre-Warp 4 design, the large nacelles might be as proposed, modified existing shorter nacelles and requiring externally mounted stabilizers. Just my thoughts, Frank-ly speaking.

[@MarkLLawrence]

Should have called it the Voyager Class

[@davidhernandez9985]

It resembles a middle-aged battle-ax when you whole photo.

[@TDBoedy]

The fins are likely radiators or even housings for side/rear sensors

[@Theottselmaster]

Gives me slight Nova class vibes. Shame about the engine placement though it would look so nice if they were further back.

[@ussakira7294]

I've got a model of the intrepid half saucer great looking ship

[@mysticvirgo9318]

Seems to me that Intrepid WOULD have some atmospheric capability.. She is small enough with crew of 30-40 .. Who says she was not atmospheric? PErhaps they were an homage to the fact that "Fins" were ubiquitous design language back in the 50's and 60's

[@builder396]

Well, the NX class was definitely capable of athmospheric flight at fairly low speeds (200 kph i think) so having fins on the Intrepid for aerodynamic purposes makes sense (sepecially with their placement), but the real problem is making an actual landing without any kind of landing gear.

[@stevenewman1393]

🖖😎👍Very well done and very well explained and informative indeed guys, plus just to let you know I own 2 of these from Eaglemoss 👌.

[@FlywithLee]

My favourite Enterprise era ship

[@watchthe1369]

The first antimatter powered ship? Accelerated tritium depletion from the trititanium hull plating was causing blow outs on the windows in the area immediately around the Bussard collectors. I would call it a warp 4+ ship IF they over drove the warp nacelles risking a burn out. They discovered that the antimatter reactor could overpower the coils , as they replaced the old nacelles they moved the smaller assemblies back to correct the erosion problem. Pre upgrade they would be warp 3 ships. Once they got the new assemblies they could do warp 4 plus if they transferred power from their weapons. They were mainly defensive gunboats until replaced by the Franklin class after the Xindi War. These ships are sometimes confused with the Akula/ Akayazi classes which had a larger aft hull section for a larger engineering space and torpedo storage.

[@darthtripedacus1]

I loved this ship. I think more than the NX

[@JasePow68]

The fins could be subspace antennas,...

[@davidbergfors6820]

13:45 : I've never really liked saucers as a design element, it has just been off in some way to me. Here with the secondary hull practicly attached to the back of the half saucer I am really digging the design.

[@kimberly5488]

Intrepid next Evolution could be the Miranda. Because the hangar bays in the back look like the Miranda's Hangar Bays.

[@bikkiikun]

Actually the half saucer or any reduced saucer design is in my mind a design that came after the (full) saucer. You don't eat the cake backwards and it becomes round..

[@ericevans9186]

On the fins....are there such a thing as weapon hard points in star trek? Like you see on the bottom of fighter jet wings? Maybe stick phas cannons on them and warp power them.,,,,,

[@jasonhelman3310]

You talked about the akula class so this is a great time for akyazi

[@aarongreiner5851]

I think the ship probably had smaller Warp nacelles but to add more speed to it larger ones were added I think Starfleet was going through the hot rod years around the time of enterprise

[@michaelwhitt355]

I loved this ship since the first time I saw it. Very cool design.

[@PetofPerversion]

Ok, so here’s my head canon for the Enterprise era ships. The Warp Delta is the earliest of the three we see and was constructed before impulse engines became standard, hence why it has the rocket funnels in the intro, but also before transporter technology was in the pipeline. As a result it was designed to land on a planet for resupply, the Intrepid came about around the earliest development of transporter technology and may have had the first on installed on board. But it was limited in its application due to concerns and technical limitations, so the ship designers envisioned the ship mostly operating in space, but being able to enter the a planets upper atmosphere to be able to do personnel transfers and reliable resupply by the early shuttle pods which were unable to break orbit, hence the small fins on the the warp nacelles. And the then the NX class was the first to rely on transporters for fast mass resupply and shuttle pods had finally reached the point that they could reliably go from surface to deep space.

[@jamiegray6931]

The Pet The warp delta is a different ship to the one I'm the intro. That being the ss Emette. Check out the eaglemoss website to see the differences.

[@randybentley2633]

Those notches on the fins do look like they could function as either ailerons or elevators.

[@WillPittenger]

An example of this class, USS Pioneer, was Captain Reed's first command with Mayweather as XO and Dax as the chief engineer. Pioneer, as fitting, was testing a lot of the early Federation tech from the various members.

[@isfj1009]

"Stick you hand out..." And you might fry your hand! LOL HAHAHAHA

[@jaywiegs1712]

Memory Beta "SS Intrepid Light Patrol Defense Cruiser, 3 types were built ENT era, Crew 46, Warp 4.5 (5.6 refit). Said 6 Intrepid class ships escorted the ENT on the return for the Delphic Expanse (3 more were built during season 1-3?) Just move the Nacelles back far enough so they are not touching the saucer and this ship would look excellent.

[@power543]

None of that info is from Canon tho so...we didnt reference it, Memory Beta is anything anyone says outside of canon so we dont look at it too much...

[@BillyMartin4Life]

I think the ship would look better if they flipped it over with the wrap nacelles below the saucer

[@artemisfleming9981]

then it would look like a miranda

[@georgeluck6837]

I think the warp engines on this ship has more armor that is why they are the size they are.

[@jyralnadreth4442]

Its an ENT steamrunner lol

[@darkguardian1314]

Fins? Maybe it can land like Voyager.

[@90lancaster]

I can see it being able to move around in an atmosphere (not that hard - I guess the NX-01 can operate in an atmosphere too)

[@Jennifur68]

I seem to recall reading on John Eaves site the fins were supposed to be warp field stabilizer fins.

[@doccomeau2770]

NX had 83 crew members including adding the Maco Marines

[@doccomeau2770]

True. People have to remember that the NX-01 had 83 people after the Maco Marines were added to the crew compliment and that when it first launched it had a skeleton crew on a mission of proving oneself capable. It could have likely have held more crew.

[@shinjofox]

About the only thing i would change would be to move the nacelles back away from the saucer maybe half way.

[@hallmonitor1]

It has a Star Fleet Battles vibe, actually.

[@hallmonitor1]

Sort of a precursor to the Federation Fast Cruiser.

[@thunderfeet]

I didn’t like this a first but more you investigated it the more I liked it............still can’t get over the warp engines so close to the bridge.

[@joegrimes9232]

I love the Enterpise Era ships. Yes it does look thrown together but I think it adds to it's charm. After learning a Klingon Warship could make mincemeat of Starfleet, they halted producction of the NX class and bolted together powerhouses. Starfleet had antimatter tech and could go toe to toe with the Klingons if needed be, so they made these bulky little craft

[@joegrimes9232]

So rather than make 5 NX classes - they could now shoot out 10 intrepids,

[@joegrimes9232]

It's all phase cannon and Armour. The NX is hardier, but I get the sense the Intrepid is a move to prove that the Federation have a navy. Before they had the Enterprise and Columbia... whoopy do.

[@joegrimes9232]

They wanted 12 NX inititally, but the Tensions between Romulans and Klingons Forced these to production and why the Constitution was heralded in the 23rd century. It was the realisation of the NX dream they couldnt

[@joegrimes9232]

Was it 12... or 7... I might be confusing BSG with TOS. How many connnies did they have?

[@Pyrothehedgehog1]

I love this ship it doesnt feel kit bashed at all to me it feels like a first attempt of the nx I hope they kept making them along side the nx class as a class of ship they could build faster than the nx

[@futurerandomness1620]

if you assume that the first third, or quarter of the nacelle is dedicated to the bussard collectors, collecting hydrogen and other stellar matter you would be fine. When you get back to where the actual warp coils are located there's no longer any living space in direct line of sight between the nacelles, so no worries about getting 'fried'

[@MrAliasless]

The fins look in line with the impulse engines, I wonder if they were a way to increase maneuverability under impulse.

[@builder396]

To me the Intrepid looks kind of like they designed the Warp 3 or 4 engine, ended up having these huge nacelles, so they decided to build as little ship around that engine as possible to keep production cost down so they could have this as a fleet workhorse while the NX would end up as a more proper heavier but rarer flagship type class.

[@thethirdchimpanzee]

And maybe the fins are for stability in atmospheric flight...??? The Warp Delta ships have a natural "lifting body" shape...but this ship is slightly less aerodynamic than a brick.

[@denistuohy6420]

People say that the registry is sequential but I think that only the second half of the number is sequential and the series in not, so if you do do a discussion (maybe live) on the registry numbers my theory is that the constitution is the 1700 series or just 17 the excelsior is the 2000 series or just 20 and so on, the number 00 gets the class name like 17"00" is the constitution and 20"00" is the excelsior and so on, after that the numbers go up from 01 to whatever, so my theory is that the first two numbers (or three) are the class and the rest are the ships individual ship's number, this would only be true for the initial run of ships, after that it could change like the miranda class is the 1800 series for the initial run of ships of that class but later when a new run of miranda's were ordered then they could change from the 1800 series to a different series number, anyway this is a personal opinion and not necessarily right but I think that it makes sens., In a way the enterprise has two registary numbers, the 17 (or 1700) and the 01

[@josephllivingston1378]

Fins offer more stabilization when it comes into an atmosphere. JLL

[@stephenmorris6590]

looks like it has a cut out for a window on the bridge module.

[@Carwyn.Morris]

Those Nacelles are way too far forward. I think if they were pushed back so the Bussards were just behind the saucer it would probably sit a little better with me.

[@gawainethefirst]

Just because the nacelles are that big doesn’t mean that warp field coils are filling their whole volumes.

[@thethirdchimpanzee]

I wonder if it would look better if you extended that saucer a little more...like instead of a 1/2 saucer, maybe a 3/4 saucer...???

[@-sirfrenzy-1781]

I’d love to see EC Henry’s design on this ship.

[@TheMultiGunMan]

What Enterprise episodes was this ship in? I don't remember seeing it.

[@JasonCliftJones]

Makes a few appearances in seasons 3 and 4. According to Memory Alpha: "The Expanse", "Twilight", "Storm Front, Part II"

[@j3t594]

maybe the fins are to change the flow of the plasma exhaust

[@darkguardian1314]

More like an early Saber-class...

[@RotalHenricsson]

More like Steamrunner. Or both, i always thought the Steamrunner looks a bit old, could be the same offshoot.

[@0SgtRoadkill0]

the Steamrunner's big problem is that pod... if it had a combined secondary hull connection it up and w raised rather than sunk it would make WAAAAAYYYY more sense

[@schiefer1103]

Agreed. Fits perfectly of you think about it

[@soljafon]

@@0SgtRoadkill0 why?????

[@Peoples_Republic_of_Devonshire]

Sod of a lot bigger than the Sabre Class

[@davidedward10]

A lot of the literature I’ve found on this ship call it the NV Class ............ I don’t think we ever got a definitive class name in canon for this one. That’s just my opinion your results may vary.

[@poseidon5003]

The Franklin is not in my canon! LOL

[@shawnbeckmann1847]

Half saucer?? Where ever shall I put my Cup of Tea??

[@RaikenXion]

Have you guys heard the rumor? Picard is back but hes going to be in the Abrams' Kelvin Universe :( When JJ did a deal with Paramount, he had the rights to the Star Trek franchise but could not use anything from the Prime Universe, anything retro he uses has to be tweaked which was why he came up with the whole idea of the alternate timeline. Basically long story short, Paramount know most Trekkies HATE the Abramsverse, or 'Kelvin Timeline', but they still want to make more films and now they trying a new Tv series, so they had to get someone who they feel would win the fans over, this is why they asked Patrick Stewart if he would like to return.

[@sirbobbyuk]

it would have been nice to see more ships

[@mattmon6118]

So glad about this, but i can't watch it just yet, busy :( Thank you for the video though :)

[@johnthemachine]

surprised you guys didnt compare it to a picture of the newton type from the jjverse. I think those are a very obvious continuation of these design elements

[@power543]

We dont have a 3D model of her :)

[@spudzillah_6175]

The fins could be use to maneuver better in nebulas

[@ensignmjs7058]

I like it.

[@stevenmcgrath5114]

Very cool, one of the reasons why the Enterprise should be NCC - 400. not NX-01 Just saying ! ! !

[@scifience8297]

please do the FASA sentinel class light cruiser and the argo shuttle

[@Deadeye313]

One advantage of the rear fins: when maneuvering the ship, they allow for a reference point to avoid damaging more vital parts of the ship like the nacelles or saucer. If you are backing the ship into spacedock then if you clear the fins, you will clear the saucer. Maybe later, with advances in sensor technology, tractor beams and automation, you don't need a visual reference to help manually park the ship. Scraping an expendable bit of metal is far better than scraping a nacelle or getting hooked on the saucer.

[@thribs]

I don’t think these ships left the solar system. Hence why you didn’t see any of them exploring.

[@keirfarnum6811]

They should have pushed the nacelles back.

[@Skybaby79]

this... Thing is its own release but the sto Odyssey class (designed by fans) still has nothing? amazing

[@Trekyardswebseries]

Sky79 kzbin.info/www/bejne/qovRoIpjhK1niq8 We did the Odyssey class long ago.

[@Trekyardswebseries]

Sky79 and this one too. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmKtloKGmN6lo6s next time do a search before you accuse us of anything thanks.

[@jankjason]

How exactly was that an accusation?

[@lagrangesix9836]

Loose the fins. Push the nacelles back so they not over the saucer.

[@markbernero9302]

There's a design online called Endeavour by "The Evil Genieous Shipyards" that does this.

[@raabaddler5802]

a prototype patrol ship for military use , primitive warp field dynamics

[@David_B_Dornburg]

I really dislike having the nacelles directly over the primary hull (the crews quarters). Not a ship I would want to be a member of the crew. Nacelles were originally designed to be placed away from the crew for safety sake. This completely ignores that reasoning and IMO, looks stupid to boot. If the nacelles were slid farther back at the connection point to the struts, it would look a whole lot better (again, IMO) As far as I'm concerned this is a class of starship that failed miserably and was probably dropped out of service quickly.

[@markbernero9302]

I think John Eaves put the nacelles above the saucer to make it distinguishable on TV from the NX-01.

[@jaddokproductions2470]

i dint think they registrered much interest

[@gawainethefirst]

USS Cygnus from Disney’s The Black Hole please?

[@charlesbard2331]

I say this is a good example of how not to build a starship the engines are way too close to the hall there is a reason they are far away.....if you watch Star Trek 25th anniversary episode someone explains why.....