Types of Lord of the Rings Fans

[@bsmith3506]

This is only missing the fan that HAS to point out every bit of trivia while watching the movies - "Did you know that when Aragorn kicked that helmet-"

[@genericallyentertaining]

Honestly, I had a bunch of other ideas - including this. Might need to make a part two...

[@desinteresado125]

to be fair, the helmet thing is one of the things that does deserve to be said, if the person being told doesn't know.

[@generalgrant2003]

"-he broke 2 toes."

[@marcusfridh8489]

And did you know than Sean Astin cut his foot on a piece of glass when doing the scene in Amon hen?

[@bsmith3506]

ummmm AKCHUALLY amon hen is the name of the watch tower. the area by the shore where they moored the boats was called parth galen @@marcusfridh8489

[@6ixpoint5ive]

"What are you 'Tolkien' about?" --- he thought we wouldn't notice ;P

[@mariapazgonzalezlesme]

That's one bad hobbit you have there.

[@genericallyentertaining]

You have to wonder if Tolkien himself ever had people say that to him.

[@reneedesoet7309]

That's a really fun lotr podcast btw

[@poopyman961]

That joke made me cross my arms under my breasts

[@Hyperfixations_here]

@@reneedesoet7309 that’s the best idea I’ve heard in a while

[@theentmarch]

There are your surface level fans, and then theres the Tom Bombadil fanatics

[@marcusfridh8489]

Allways wondered who would have played Tom Bombadil and Goldberry

[@poopenfarten800]

Hey, ho, merry dal ! ring a dong dillo !!!

[@MissConception7820]

@@poopenfarten800 Ring a dong! hop along! Fal lal the willow! Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo!

[@bigcat4117]

How humbling for the hobbits to need to be saved from a tree.

[@fifthhoven]

There is no such thing, but apparently there are douches who always want to bring him up and "why is he even in there" and then maybe someone has to write up a perspective. There is basically no one who thinks about him independently, that's just a fiction of those who are obsessed with him negatively.

[@lesacapatate2949]

"If he’s your baseline for men, you’re gonna be deeply disappointed" bruh, she said the hurting truth

[@jamesdaniels8007]

The "yet again" was just salt in the wound 😂

[@Tacticslion]

My wife had a crush on him growing up (long before the movies). So glad she settled for me! 😂

[@jamesdaniels8007]

@@Tacticslion to be fair, Aragorn is tough competition.

[@vorpalkiss]

TT - TT

[@i_do_stuff_ig]

All the Aragorn fans are gonna have to acknowledge someday that we need to lower our standards

[@freddovich7925]

The military historian one is off. The Uruk Hai didn't march there in one day, but they do march way faster than human armies. Elves march even faster. The Elves could've set off earlier and only arrived at Helms Deep on time by coincidence. Asking Gondor for help, even though it'd take a week, would still be a good call because at the time, people didn't know how long the war with Isengard would last yet. Help might arrive during a prolonged siege. Gandalf rides away saying "I'll be back in 3 days" and this happens, so we can assume the time between Theoden leaving Edoras and the battle of Helm's Deep is three days. At that point, Grima is already in Isengard. Merry and Pippin see the Uruk Hai leaving Isengard, and this is already after the Entmoot in the movie but before it in the books (seeing Saruman's deforestation policies is what motivates the Entmoot and the Ents agree pretty quickly to attack Saruman - this still takes them about 2 days). In the book it makes more sense, but it doesn't conflict with the timeline too much to have the Ents chilling in Isengard for a while and the trees stalking the Uruk Hai to Helm's Deep to gobble them up after the battle. So really there are multiple days for the Uruk Hai to cross the 120 miles, especially given that they walk day and night and much faster than human armies. Don't forget, Aragorn on horseback for a whole day only managed to outrun the entire army by a few hours. Say 30 miles a day over relatively good terrain (planes ideal for horses). With 2 days and nights that comes to 120 miles. He should've asked why the Uruk Hai bring pikes to a siege battle and then fail to use them effectively against 25 horsemen charging their army for a good 5 minutes.

[@coltaine503]

Uh, my guy, you are seriously coming close to being the type of reader/watcher this guy is talking about. Not disputing what you are saying and certainly appreciating it though.

[@sebastianzuzi311]

basically the answer is magic but it's completely valid given the rules of the world.

[@AverageCommentor]

However, what definitely does not make sense is (a) the way the timeline fits with Frodo's journey. Multiple extra days are added in Rohan in the movies but Frodo's journey is not given such treatment, and (b) the fact that it took a whole entmoot to decide not to fight in Isengard, and then Treebeard just growls and suddenly the decision is instantly overruled. The entmoot seems rather unnecessary if Treebeard could just call them to war with a growl.

[@freddovich7925]

@@AverageCommentor very good points, but it could be argued that in the movie, not all of Frodo's days are shown. In the Two Towers he gets from the Marshes to just past Ithilien, with some days of lost wandering before catching Gollum sets them on the right path again. That's quite a distance and an extra day squeezed in here or there doesn't disrupt his story too much. Granted, in the book he reaches Cirith Ungol already so really even more days are missing from Frodo's story. The entmoot being instantly overruled by mad tree scream is a weird plot device, true enough. Why all the ents followed Treebeard to Isengard is also a bit strange if they had decided not to fight. But I'm still sticking with Uruk Hai running 3 days straight with pikes to a siege and then not using them against horsemen

[@_Fornad]

If you’re interested in the differences between book and film here, the Roman military historian Bret Devereaux did a write up of the military realism of both the siege of Helm’s Deep and Minas Tirith. They’re recorded on KZbin too. The books are much better on this because Tolkien had a good understanding of military history and logistics.

[@olgagicala7886]

Actually, Nerdanel calling Maedhros "well-shaped" is not that weird because Tolkien said that the Elven women often had moments of precognition that gave them insight into their children's future. ... though trying to imagine Nerdanel seeing the image of her son as an adult and thinking "wow, that's hot" is actually pretty weird now that I think about it. ... I will excuse myself now.

[@catnaut9035]

sweet home alabama

[@lamascararota666]

@@catnaut9035 No, no, no... that is the Children of Hurin

[@catnaut9035]

@@lamascararota666 Turin was a certified resident of alabama

[@sarahbreisch4750]

​@@lamascararota666ño no that's too harsh!

[@simbelmyne7767]

As fun as this is, I feel like everyone is missing the fact that "well shaped" does not have to be even remotely sexual. A mother can look at her child and be like "aw hell yeah his bones look really healthy he's gonna grow strong--look everyone my baby is the best baby" y'know?

[@MarcyPeska]

You missed the “Samwise is the ideal man/actual hero” and the “Stop everything, it’s time for second breakfast” fans. There are a lot of us. 😊 Oh, and the “I was so sad when the first movie didn’t include Tom Bombadil. He & Goldberry are my favorites!”

[@cailin5301]

You can NOT say Samwise was the actual hero. Imagine if Sam himself heard you say that lol. Sacrilege. No, Frodo and Sam were two halves of a hero (or both heroes, if you prefer). Neither of them could have done it without the other.

[@Eagle-eye-pie]

@@cailin5301you absolutely can and many do.

[@AudioEpics]

Oh, yeah, the opposite of the "everything that has Rings in it breathes the spirit of Tolkien" is just as annoying: the "All adaptations suck because they are not 100 % word for word exaclty literally in the bible that is The Lord of the Rings".

[@commonshoes]

Obsessed with Aragorn is so based though.

[@smartsmartie7142]

Isn't Aragon over 100 years old and very wise? He wouldn't be interested in normal humans romantically.

[@smartsmartie7142]

Isn't Aragon over 100 years old and very wise? He wouldn't be interested in normal humans romantically.

[@smartsmartie7142]

Isn't Aragon over 100 years old and very wise? He wouldn't be interested in normal humans romantically.

[@smartsmartie7142]

Isn't Aragon over 100 years old and very wise? He wouldn't be interested in normal humans romantically.

[@smartsmartie7142]

Isn't Aragon over 100 years old and very wise? He wouldn't be interested in normal humans romantically.

[@diegoborges3716]

You forgot the catholic type. "You know, Eru is God and Melkor is Lucifer, right? The eagles represent the Providence. And the lessons of virtue, forgiveness, etc, etc."

[@AlesdairProductions]

Isn't Eru literally God tho?

[@AdamVill]

Was going to leave a comment along these lines if no one else had!

[@dodie-poopsco.6893]

thats my brother

[@lamascararota666]

Even as a Catholic I find those people annoying. Instead of deeper analysis they read Tolkien as if he was writing another Narnia

[@lamascararota666]

@@OldPirate1718 Oh, don't get me wrong, Tolkien was very much a Catholic and his work is very much Christian in character. However this is mostly in its themes, not so much in the more literal aspects of the story, which some christians try to link desperately to Christianity, which makes for a very lousy analysis of the story. I have seen more christians obsessing about the literal identity between Tolkien's characters to the Bible, than, say, what does Frodo's failure at the end tell us about Tolkiens concept of Grace. What I am saying, basically is that I hate it when people try to narnianize Tolkien

[@amer6706]

“Why is there no humor in the books?” SEETHING

[@lukesams3349]

The first type is just your average Marvel fan

[@cameronleonard2451]

There is one responce. "There was, but Tolkien didn't speak stupid" Said with vitriol of course.

[@senorbolainas2991]

There are enough funny parts in the books. Like Bilbo and his goodbye speech, or Merry awaking after being unconcious and saying "i want some breakfast", Pippin and Merry being bored during the Entmoot, all the times Gandalf is gets mad at Pippin, when Sam throws an apple at Bill Ferny, When they mention Bilbo using the ring to avoid The Sackville-Bagginses

[@katerrinah5442]

I cackle loudly on each read I don't know what people are on about 😂. Bilbo's will was amazing

[@Ale-dd3ek]

Feanor telling Morgoth to get off his lawn and slamming a door into his face was funny

[@Xob_Driesestig]

4:40 Wow, props to your hair and makeup department, you look like a totally different person.

[@shcherbl00m]

“Borderline fluent in quenya” called me out bc who else violently flinched at that pronunciation of “maitimo” and “maedhros” 😭

[@iwatchtoomuchtwoset]

didn't even notice at first but i went back and almost had a heart attack.

[@honoramongassasins8056]

I absolutely did, but I also discovered that I'd been pronouncing "Nelyafinwë" wrong for something like 5 years and this has gone unnoticed because everyone I try to tell about him has the reaction of the guy in the video. ALSO HIM CALLING "MAITIMO" SINDARIN WHEN IT'S CLEARLY QUENYA- (this is legally a joke, it's not clearly quenya because it has no umlauts)

[@l.franciscobattista2559]

I remember when I joined my local chapter of the Tolkien Society. I swear there are people around who treat the Silmarillion like an actual Bible.

[@fredreindljr1996]

That's most LOTR KZbinrs these days.

[@ckvanniekerk1527]

Spoken like a blaspheming sycophant of Melkor

[@CatBxtchNami]

You sound like a heretic!

[@thelordofcringe]

Well well well found the Sauron worshipper! Next you'll say your favorite genre is Death Melkor, or some other sauronic blasphemy.

[@Halfbloodhobbit]

The silmarrilion is practically a Tolkien bible

[@reca2489]

It would have been hilarious if after the girl obsessed with Aragorn, you showed the straight guy obsessed with Aragorn Great video, loved it

[@denisel1553]

The straight guy who has DEFINITELY not even the SLIGHTEST inkling of a gay thought in the history of his entire life 😆

[@marcusfridh8489]

I missed the Samewise obsession

[@danielzhou13]

More like the straight guy obsessed with Legolas.

[@WhiteScorpio2]

Aragorn was one of the fictional characters that helped me to accept that I wasn't straight.

[@denisel1553]

@@WhiteScorpio2 Aragorn being a bro as always 👍 If Arwen & Eowyn had more screen time (or if I had access to extended editions back in the day)... I'd have realized I was bi a lot sooner, lol

[@gamingchinchilla7323]

the second type... Tolkien himself would smack that boy silly and start listing all other great authors he should read besides himself. Tolkien was a man who embraced many a mythos and lore. A well read man indeed!

[@gracchus7782]

He also kept his negative review of Dune private because he didn't want to hurt someone who was working in the same field

[@jodofe4879]

Tolkien was very well read indeed. And not just old myths and legends either. Tolkien loved to read modern fiction. In fact, people have written entire books about what books Tolkien read (check out Tolkien's Modern Reading). He still hated Dune though.

[@tj-co9go]

​@@jodofe4879 to me his hatred of dune seems to be "okay, this is not my type of book but I don't want to get too critical on why I don't like it, I clearly value different things than what the author wanted tell here". (My own interpretation)

[@visisius9339]

​@@tj-co9godune is fundamentally antichristian. I'm not familiar with how Tolkien considered other secular works that could potentially receive the same label, but I imagine he would see the philosophy and potential effects of dune as almost evil. Not a polite thing to accuse another author of, best left unpublished

[@zinkheroofyoutube8004]

He'd also definitely smack the last one as well

[@isabelklingenberg2673]

Who would simp all day for Aragorn when we’ve got good ol’ Sam Gamgee? Sam is even more awesome than Aragorn

[@ailon92]

Aragorn didn't expect help from Gondor to arive that night I think. He knew it would take days, but they thought they could hold Helm's Deep longer, because they didn't know about bombs!

[@genericallyentertaining]

Yeah, that's a good point. I still think they suspected Saruman wouldn't want to settle in for a long siege, since Saruman was ambitious and his entire goal was to destroy Rohan as quickly as possible to prove his worth to Sauron, so to speak, then probably send his armies into Gondor - but to be fair, the protagonists didn't know about Sauron's plans for Gondor until Pippin looked into the Palantir, so yeah, maybe they really did expect a long siege. (Although I wonder how long their provisions would have lasted, since they didn't have much time to prepare?)

[@elanor-zhang]

3:05 Celebribor is Maedhros's nephew. that's how the topic changed.

[@ricardoandre7049]

It was Celeborn, not Celebrimbor. They went from Galadriels husband to Maedhros, which 2 avenues. Either we dound ourselves in Doriath, or most likely the House of Finwe fanily dynamic

[@rolebo1]

@@ricardoandre7049 nah, it was definitely from pointing out that Celeborn's other name is Teleporno, which led to explaining why some elves have multiple names. Using Maedhros as an example.

[@AudioEpics]

The linguist is a cool type, but only if he doesn't consistently mispronounce Tolkien's name. ;-)

[@KanonHara]

NOOOOOOO! DONT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT SHE WAS MARRIED TO FLIMBLEFLOMBLE SON OF TRIMBLETROMBLE IN YEAR 3434 OF THE FIRST AGE???

[@Eagle-eye-pie]

That made me chuckle

[@Reidak12]

You forgot the guy who’s only seen the movies but somehow knows all the lore and he just couldn’t get past Tom Bombadil.

[@LordRevan-vi2op]

@Reidak12 I feel called out because that’s literally me

[@calculuscondensed812]

As a a bit of a military historian myself, my counterpart is of course correct to only criticise the films, as the books are pretty much flawless in this regard.

[@LovePikaMusic]

Oh, they are? That's amazing! I'm not exactly a military historian but there are certain weird parts in the movies that bother me from this aspect. Helm's deep. In the movies portrayed as a place for the citizens to hide. Nevermind that it's actually way closer to the enemy than Edoras, and already on the frontline. Then the part where Theoden is saying homes can be rebuilt and crops resown and Aragorn is like but saruman wants to kill the people! Like sheesh the king is trying to build up morale in his people before a fight and you're there to ruin it?? Then in RotK, the scene where Gandalf says the enemy is regrouping in Mordor and Gimli goes, "let him stay there, let him rot" like were you even listening? REGROUPING! If you just "let him stay there", he's not going to "rot" he's going to recover and hit back! Pretending the war has been won and relaxing is the WORST thing to do in this situation

[@thelordofcringe]

It helps that battles like helms deep and pellenor fields are both heavily inspired by the real life siege of Vienna where the Polish Winged Hussars cavalry charged the much larger Ottoman army and entirely routed them.

[@dudethedude1220]

Calling the Wheel of Time a Tolkien rip off is like calling Lord of the Rings a rip off of Authorian legends

[@d.n5287]

Tbf Tolkien was definitely ripping more off from Norse Mythology than Arthurian Legend.

[@georgekatkus5162]

Incorrect, he was ripping off Lord Dunsany

[@Hero_Of_Old]

Authorian?

[@dudethedude1220]

@@Hero_Of_Old It's a typo. I meant "Arturian".

[@halcyoncaduceus3711]

Yeah but Robert Jordan literally says the Wheel of time is the spiritual continuation of lotr.

[@Pinche.pisces]

"I'm going to choose to be delusional" I've never related to anything more in my life. 😭😭😭

[@curtis5799]

Im the "ok, so this is how galadriel ended up in middle-earth." *starts talking about the oath of faenor Guy

[@ludviglidstrom6924]

Well, you actually have to start at the Ainulindale...

[@Malgarroth]

"If Aragorn is your baseline for men, you're going to be deeply disappointed" Never has a truer word been said

[@amandathewolf]

I paused after the military one to think about it but then saw what the next one was and went "oh shoot not me" But hey, I don't talk about Aragorn EVERY day, I have other fictional men who get some of my brainpower too

[@smartsmartie7142]

Also isn't Aragon over 100 years old and very wise? He wouldn't be interested in normal humans.

[@smartsmartie7142]

Also isn't Aragon over 100 years old and very wise? He wouldn't be interested in normal humans.

[@smartsmartie7142]

Also isn't Aragon over 100 years old and very wise? He wouldn't be interested in normal humans.

[@smartsmartie7142]

Also isn't Aragon over 100 years old and very wise? He wouldn't be interested in normal humans.

[@smartsmartie7142]

Also isn't Aragon over 100 years old and very wise? He wouldn't be interested in normal humans.

[@_mkhaiti_8942]

Man that inkling chap seems like a fun guy to hang out with

[@snowdrop9810]

Maedhros as hot ginger is so funny LMAOO

[@moonboots1003]

"The Nationalist" was so good I wanted to hit you XD

[@GeorgeKinsill]

Unfortunately far too real. Also, I unfortunately teach a number of students that are like that.

[@governorTarkin]

especially considering Tolkien dispised the nazis and mocked them in a letter.

[@ludviglidstrom6924]

@governorTarkin Yeah, but he was also a fan of Francisco Franco's regime in Spain, so...

[@garmadonthesensei59]

The Aragorn girl is so iconic Lmao 😂 love this video!

[@jacobzanardi1930]

The girl obsessed with Aragorn just needs to understand that Aragorn is the embodiment of the Office of Christ the King

[@nathanbeer3338]

My LotR quirk I do in parties (kidding I never go to parties) is reciting "Ash nazg durbatuluk ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatuluk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul" in an orc accent. I must be the coolest guy around.

[@Shaddiewolf]

LMAO I would immediately befriend anyone I saw who did this.

[@ludviglidstrom6924]

I like to recite that as well, but I don't think my pronunciation is correct.

[@Florkl]

Nazi Germany certainly was a looming darkness from the East (at least for an Englishman).

[@music79075]

Given that elves language and appearance is germanic, that orcs are warped elves and that Tolkien was a staunch lover of German culture and history l would not be surprised if he found the parallels between Morgoth, Sauron and the Orcs and Nazism, Hitler and the Germans.

[@ovrair6340]

​@@music79075but elves language was based off of Welsh, the phonetics are practically copy pasted from the Welsh language, although you do raise a good point about the elves and orcs and the Nazis

[@music79075]

@ovrair6340 I was wrong about the language. Sindarin was Welsh and Quenya was Latin/Greek .

[@BOOMCHAKALAKAKAPOW]

the Nazis literally wanted Britain's help against the looming shadow of the East under the cruel rule of Stalinron threatening the West and the whole world with his unlimited minions, but were betrayed by their own kin

[@lamogio7938]

⁠​⁠@@music79075I highly doubt that was his point. If anything Mordor was inspired from the Huns. Which is also a reason as to why other factions under Sauron in the east such as Khand never got developed that much since their purpose was already filled by the orcs of Mordor. Sauron and Morgoth too would probably not have anything to do nazism since we never see them treating having mixed blood as a bad thing. If anything they kinda support it so that the races under them can expand.

[@marianat4677]

Philologist here and yes, I am just like that and I feel really bad for my family and close friends who have to put up with all my over the top Tolkien fanaticism...

[@AudioEpics]

I love fanaticism. Still, you would think they knew the correct pronunciation of 'Tolkien'. This would be the character who did it right.

[@irangel1958]

Great and fun as usual...with added guests this time. Love your channel

[@RobynHoodeofSherwood]

Well done! 👏 I'm the girl in the gray hoodie for sure. That other girl did her job well. She drove me crazy with all the 'like'. I really cannot stand it when people do that.

[@bsmith3506]

Lmao I am definitely the other girl and I'm not even ashamed of it 🤣

[@RobynHoodeofSherwood]

@@bsmith3506 Perfectly fine. You're upfront about it and that's great

[@AudioEpics]

Sure, she was annoying and came across as shallow, but if I look at modern fantasy I kind of understand this craving for virtuous male heroes and themes like unconditional love, deep bonds of friendship and sacrifice for the greater good. LOTR simply could not have been written in our times. It would probably feature a lot of Aragorn and Arwen getting it on in the woods with Gollum watching them. I don't think there will ever be anything like it anymore...

[@lovejoy1311]

Then there are those of us who just see LOTR as the greatest hiking story ever told.

[@GreatGreebo]

This is brilliant! I couldn’t stop laughing. (there is also the dreaded “fan” who talks through the ENTIRE show to point out all the trivia or lore they *assume* went over your head 🤦🏻‍♀️)

[@vampiresquid2635]

You forgot about the hobbit shippers on Bit of Earth who started a cult about channelling various actors, faked their death in order to be “reincarnated as elijah wood”??? And got sean astin involved in their terribly planned charity project :D (That was like five people but hobbit shipping is a decently sized group of fans lol)

[@nyxshadowhawk]

LotR actually does have some Old English in it! Tolkien didn't even bother to give the Rohirrim thier own in-universe language, he just rendered it as Old English. "Theoden" (þeoden) literally means "lord" or "ruler" so "Theoden King" means "king king."

[@ellanenish5999]

Being a Tolkien fan you absolutely caught me by suprise with the subscribe request which is simply the will of Ilúvatar and I had to agree to the terms you bastard 😂

[@AudioEpics]

Same here. That's just devious. ;-)

[@michelhv]

Terminally nerdy English major who studied Beowulf in Old English just to catch a few more puns in LoTR…

[@Perhapsawiseman]

The 2nd one had me in tears! In my Political Philosophy class I pulled out my copy of the Wheel of Time and asked my TA his thoughts, and that's exactly what he said. Homie even had Middle Earth as his screensaver.

[@robertusaugustus2003]

That “armies DO NOT move like that” really hit me hard

[@GoatOfGaming666]

0:51 Did you just say "what are you "Tolkien about"?

[@A_ME360j]

1:16 Basically an average Tolkien fan

[@mompernl]

lol, the nerd one mispronounced “Maedhros” I feel underrepresented

[@jaytwokay3265]

I feel called out in the best way possible.

[@FannomacritaireSuomi]

It's way better to be archaic and outdated than modern and cold.

[@oIJustForFunIo]

"So I choose to be delusional." I fucking cracked up in tears hearing this oh my god this is too good!! xD

[@countspyder4769]

Not gonna lie, I spent half my last viewing of Helms Deep with friends bringing up mistakes in their military tactics (like not having murderholes or a secondary gate to defend the only hole in their wall or having their archers charge into melee with heavy infantry, that and the orcs completely forgoing siege towers even though they would basically instantly achieve victory instead of a ton of ladders and a ram, as well as…..well you get the idea) I didn’t even THINK about the distances though! I’m never gonna be able to not think about that watching that scene. At least I was able to enjoy it without being the definition of the historian the first few times.

[@fredreindljr1996]

Could be worse. In Bakshi's showing of Helm's Deep, the idiots don't even move when the Uruk-Hai release a volley of arrows.

[@whiterussian4498]

3:40 they hated him because he told them the truth

[@He.knows.nothing]

"the atheist who was traumatized by his religious upbringing and loves lord of the rings because it contains all of the beauty in the myths condensed into more relatable characters without the need to demand submission to a dogma."

[@ryancruz1876]

“…And then gets mad all over again when people point out the fact that Tolkien and his work are Catholic”.

[@He.knows.nothing]

@@ryancruz1876 that's an awful thing to say. Tolkien took the best parts of the Christian mythos and compiled them into his fantasies in a way that I could interact with as someone who was struggling with deconstructing Christianity. LOTR, but more specifically the Silmarillion, are stories I love precisely for their exploration of religious ideas, packaged into a format that isn't full of hate and disgust towards others. Tolkien helped me heal those traumas and I'm aware he probably wouldn't have appreciated that as much as myself but that's precisely what's beautiful about fantasy, it's myth unbound by dogma.

[@orangmawas3858]

​@@He.knows.nothingYour feelings doesn't change the fact that Tolkien was a devout traditionalist Catholic & his works are inherently rooted in European traditionalism & christianity. What you're getting out of Tolkien's works isn't what he intended for readers to get out of it.

[@He.knows.nothing]

@@orangmawas3858 I've read Tolkien's essay on Fairy stories. What he intended was to exact what he saw as natural developmental powers in the use of language and imagination to incite joy in the reader. Christianity certainly influenced him, he thinks the resurrection is the greatest possible "eucatastrophe" where joy triumphs over seemingly inevitable doom, but nowhere are my feelings at odds with what he was trying to accomplish. First, I agree that the resurrection is the greatest use of fairy stories to bring about eucatastrophe, I just don't participate in it or believe that the story is true but that doesn't mean that I also think it's somehow deprived of the virtues and truths about human nature it intended to communicate. Second, despite his religious beliefs, this isn't a foundationally Christian narrative. Nowhere in his book is he smuggling in lines that necessitate a Christian worldview or lead in any way to Christian conversions. Unless I misunderstood your argument, I don't see how anything in his books is incompatible with my feelings.

[@CatBxtchNami]

@@orangmawas3858 You should reply with the words "I'm wrong." now.

[@JessTK22]

I'm the CS Lewis/Inklings fan and only read LOTR because I learned about Tolkien and Lewis's friendship, so I was BRACING myself to get roasted and was so pleasantly surprised

[@easolinas1233]

You forgot: "Terminally online 'fan' that considers the books deeply problematic and wants them changed."

[@maxthepaladin2147]

Basically believes the same interpretation that the nationalist does, but is from from the opposing political camp

[@xXx_Regulus_xXx]

​​@@maxthepaladin2147I'm not some perfectly impartial centrist but it does give me pause that there's this dipolar mass of people who both see the world this way and make the opposite value judgement of each other on everything.

[@jables9229]

Aka the Amazon producer

[@michaelmartin9022]

​@@xXx_Regulus_xXxEven if making the opposite value judgement is completely illogical and contradictory to their other beleifs. IE everytime people who use "libertarians and nazis" in a sentence suddenly say "businesses can do what they want" when somebody they don't like gets kicked off Twitter. Or on the other side, people who want businesses to be able to do what they like getting bent out of shape because that business says "please put a piece of paper on your face".

[@stowlicters8362]

​@@maxthepaladin2147it isn't the same if they want to fundamentally change the work, while the traditionalist nationalist doesn't want it changed.

[@pypermzmimicx]

I had to pause and laugh out loud for a bit after watching the part about Maedhros' names cuz that's so me 😂 Listen, the nerdy linguistic stuff in the Shibboleth of Fëanor is PEAK Tolkien imho

[@om3g4z3r0]

I love lord of the rings movies so much because everything about it is perfect, it made me feel hopeless, just to save me again at the end.

[@iantaylor9664]

2:57 not to be that guy, but Maitimo is still Quenya. Nerdanel was from Valinor and wouldn’t have known Sindarin when she named Maedhros

[@zaidlacksalastname4905]

Logistics guy had a point about gondor, but helm's deep was supposed to be a seige. Theoden himself said "we will outlast them", so he probably had much more than a week's worth of food. The idea of the wall being blown up wasn't on the table, so it would've been a good strategy in normal circumstances

[@gergokun7154]

7:17 except i know for a fact that the esoteric-fascist side of twitter is obsessed with high literature and like every week they share around a thread of recommendations of obscure books no one have ever heard of.

[@ViolettaEcho]

I am definitely the second type, right down to the "Tolkien hated Dune therefore so do I" 😭 (And also thank you for the Tauriel diss at the end, my soul is soothed)

[@kennethwoody5897]

I can damn near guarantee that I'm the philologist and military historian of my friend group. Because those sketches just resonate with me on an insanely deep level.

[@lightworker2956]

You might enjoy the blog "A Collection of Unmitigated Pedantry". That's a blog where, among other things, a historian goes into huge depth about things like logistics in fantasy novels.

[@kennethwoody5897]

@@lightworker2956 I've not checked their stuff out but I'm definitely going to make a point to do so in the future. Thanks for the suggestion! Shalom.

[@lanthanum1232]

I feel so called out right now! I am the one who has memorized the family trees (well working on it, I've gotten the house of Finwe done but I still want to do more work on Celeborn's ancestors.) and knows some of the etymology. I also talk about the Nazgul, Sauron, and Maeglin every single day though I would be concerned if all people started emulating them...

[@konohashinobi71037]

Finally someone gets it!!

[@purpleporygon]

"No, I'm not just gonna 'read' books. Do I look like a girl?" Classic line haha

[@t3chkn1ght]

I'm hesitant to believe people like that even know how to read.

[@Pk-glitch]

The "Guy who just really likes Oxford and the Inklings" one is basically ceave gaming in a nutshell

[@nathanaelheil2818]

To that girl idolizing over Aragorn, you're not Arwen, you're Eowyn.

[@purplelibraryguy8729]

The armchair strategist--In terms of time before help could arrive from Gondor, I think everyone was expecting a somewhat more extended siege of Helm's Deep, which was after all a pretty strong defensive point. The Lorien thing--well, that wasn't part of the books, to start with, and I don't think the movie makes clear just when they set out. Still, even in the books elves seem to be capable of traveling ridiculously fast when they want to. How do we know just when the Uruk-hai set out from Isengard, either? Sequence of showing movie scenes in totally different places does not necessarily imply temporal sequence.

[@jayoungr]

I strongly suspect Fran Walsh and/or Philippa Boyens are examples of "girl who's unhealthily obsessed with Aragorn."

[@warmth9140]

Gondor and Rohan having an expensive and very quick doomsday relay signals system and not using them pissed Theoden off. Tensions were high and makes me believe he wasn't expecting them that night but for years.

[@nrgentertainmentartist8668]

That girl talks as if all of us wouldn't want to be Aragorn lol But that would be the same as if you were a metal trying to become Adamantium.

[@Icetea-2000]

I think the skit with the girls would’ve been much more effective if she just said "girl, just admit you simply like how hot he is" "well… yeah"

[@JamesHock]

I feel called out by the military history guy

[@lawrencecalablaster568]

I just watched the extended editions for the first time at my brother-in-law’s bachelor party, & I was surprised because I thought you made up the “my axe embedded in his nervous system” line as a joke.

[@ludviglidstrom6924]

That is a horrible line.

[@grantbartley483]

Can't go to the Eagle and Child atm unfortunately. It's been shut since Covid. But if you go to the Lewis Society in Oxford you can hear talks on the sort of stuff the Inklings fan talks about. Term time only, though.

[@flameborn5347]

I was slightly the military historian when watching the movies except I didn't think of the timing but more of the strategies used in the battle of helms deep of not using the defense tactics of pouring down hot oil and chucking stones

[@zacattack8123]

This was very generically entertaining :)

[@evilmurlock]

6:50 During comunism in Czechia, we had book rewiew writen in the state newspaper about LOTR, it had a really fun interpretation of the text. I will translate it here: The Ring won't destroy socialism! Its another attack against the socialist order. The empire of evil, from which smoke and soot comes forth, is transparently placed in the east. The working class, which, united by the sweat of labor has build heavy industry, is depicted as evil and ugly orcs. Of course a son of the bourgeoisie cannot see anything good or uplifting about hard labor. The citizens of the west - lands overflowing with milk and curd - elfs (aristocracy), humans (bourgeoisie) and hobits (land owners) live on the other hand in splendor and luxury (without it being, explained where they get the wealth) and the only thing that worries them is the "danger" from the east. The "forces of good" are represented by a group of representatives from these reactionary circles, whose hands never knew real work. Their leader is Gandalf, a spreader of a backward ideology, throu which he keeps the people in ignorance and fear of progress (...). It isn't surprising then, that Saruman, the defender of the oppressed and a friend of progress is deemed a traitor and his residence is destroyed by a group of fightsty fanatical backwardists. Then when he spreads socialism in the Shire, he is caught and punished without a trial by the hobits, supported and payed by the capitalistic power of Gondor. (...) But luckily, socialism canot be destroyed by throwing some relic, even the most holy one, into a fire. Hold on, Mordor, surrounded by hostile reactionary neighbors!

[@Nick_MG]

Bruh, this comment is so underrated. I almost laughed out loud when reading it. 💀

[@evilmurlock]

@@Nick_MG Thanks :3

[@handlessuck777]

So leftoids have ALWAYS been like that.😂

[@dubitataugustinus]

My type of fan is The Shipper. We say things like "The love between Sam and Frodo trascends the power of evil and was the thing that made it possible to save Middle Earth; a reading of the narrative can be made where Sam brings Frodo back from his own inner darkness in a metaphor for depression and how the power of love binds us to life regardless of the circumstances. Also they were totally fucking"

[@devildante9]

Lewis would literally strangle you, please read the four loves

[@orangmawas3858]

The plague of deep male friendships being subject to homosexual suspicion hermeneutics strikes yet again. Please take a long work off a short pier. We normal people are sick of it.

[@CatBxtchNami]

I hate Sam X Frodo ships because in today's society two men are no longer allowed to be friends, they must always be gay instead, friendship between the same sex is not allowed and that pisses me off.

[@dubitataugustinus]

@@CatBxtchNami what are you talking about?! xD nobody is forcing anyone. Some people thinking "X" doesn't mean that "Y" isn't "allowed." We can all believe whatever we want.

[@CatBxtchNami]

@@dubitataugustinus You really enjoy lying huh.

[@zacattack8123]

I feel like i have been a lot of these at different times lol

[@legion999]

Where's the guy who hates the movies for the changes they made? Because I'm that guy

[@bronwynecg]

4:05 is *definitely* me 😂😂😂 my personality is also the girl in the grey hoodie ☺️☺️😂😂😂👍🏽

[@VTPPGLVR]

1:49 Kinda disappointed you didn’t go with “The Poopy War” 😆

[@ВадимНечунаев-л2о]

You so missed out on the low hanging fruit of the poopy war.

[@BillyCobbOfficial]

And there’s me who’s only seen the movies lol. Still the best film trilogy ever made 💯

[@J0yB0mbad1l]

This is great! I'm the fan that says, "That wasn't in the books!", the whole time I watch Lord of the Rings. But I still watch the movies over and over!😄🤩 And on the ROP subject: My Mom said she liked Rings of Power. Hated the books, didn't get with the movies. That told me eveything I need to know 😆

[@claudecloud1719]

I'm closer to the language nerd type, although what would describe me more accurately is a "silmarillion nerd". I can retell most of the book from memory, know all elven houses and can draw you a map of beleriand on any given surface. Also, I stan Finrod. He's wise, considering, faithful, diplomatic and handsome as fuck. Probably one of the most positive characters of the first age. Funnily enough, his story kind of reminds of jesus chri-- okay I'll stop

[@Will_Forge]

Listen, I get that the 3:30 military historian is actively meant to be annoying in how hyper specific he's being, but he's annoying me for a different reason. Gandalf leaves the group saying "Look to my coming on the first light of the fifth day, at dawn look to the east." The battle takes one night. The travel to the keep is vague as it's just a travel montage. Gandalf has the fastest horse to ever exist which is also the first horse to ever exist and I believe can cross all of Middle Earth in a day or something like that. It took him 5 days to gather the scattered Rohirrim. As for the Elves they can magically see the future, and were already wise to Saruman's actions, so they could have mobilized their army three weeks ago and stopped for snacks and we wouldn't have known. So no, it took Isenguard far more than just 24 hours to get there, and the other stuff also all makes perfect sense. Anyway, he was meant to be annoying because he's overly precise and knowledgeable about medieval warfare but instead he was annoying because he assumed it was a 24 hour window when Gandalf specifically said it was 5 for him, so just over 4 days for the Urukhai... So yeah, just had to clear all that up.

[@TheLastAxeman]

I am the third type with genealogy and linguistic stuff and I love it.

[@littlezombie9621]

Who am I to refuse the will of Eru Ilúvatar?

[@kartezhnay]

When I was in a high school my best friend was obsessed with Aragorn 😂 I had similar conversation maaaany times

[@Malgarroth]

How did Gimli know what a nervous system was?

[@ElderEagle42]

You should have mentioned the guy that only ever watched the movies

[@benbrill7828]

I do want to go to the pub and talk about how Augustinian theology appears in LotR. That sounds like a great Thursday

[@Malgarroth]

Every point the military historian made directly refers to a change from the books. Tolkien knew his military logistics and went into great detail about them.

[@JoseMora-wc5zz]

The first guy actually pissed me off. This was hilarious as shit 🤣

[@IndigoIndustrial]

The Sarah and Samantha talking about Aragorn was good. I live in Oxford and occasionally run past one of JT's houses.

[@Sewblon]

4:40 When Aragorn first meets Frodo and his friends, he makes a vague threat: "If I wanted the ring, then I could have it, now." Plus, he is always on the move. He honestly sounds more like a life lesson than long-term partner material. But maybe that is just me not having finished reading the books and being more into snuggly people. 7:40 The abolition of Man is one essay. Its not a series.

[@nyxhighlander9894]

Glad to see inkling fans represented

[@zaidlacksalastname4905]

I read the description of the first guy and felt sniper sights on me. Thats ridiculously spot on

[@crazyd4ve875]

the elves got earthbending properties and probably could control tides and avalanches to collapse mountains n stuff to get around terrains quicker, and the other kingdoms probably have outposts so even if they were a week away they'd still probably be able to send some reinforcements, right? I mean after all they're not going to send their entire army and abandon their home entirely, leaving their homefield completely exposed, right? 3:30