TYT Debate Over Imane Khelif Controversy

[@gregquinn7817]

I see they kept Ana far away from this one.

[@_Crush__]

she hasn't said anything about it on Twitter

[@Spiral.Dynamics]

Cenk wasn’t much better. Yikes!

[@gregquinn7817]

@_Crush__ they where moving right for awhile seeing if they could make more money on that end. With all the trans panic and shoplifting panic. But most right wingers would just commit "well you all are still morons but at least you're right about this" while not buying the subscription services meanwhile the progressives and liberals started canceling memberships. Go anti woke start to go broke...at least for TYT... So they have backed off all that somewhat.

[@souljaboyisbad]

@@Spiral.Dynamics based cenk

[@aliceglado]

She upsets the unhinged TRA's.

[@nassimb7151]

Do people really think Algeria, a conservative sunni muslim country, would allow a trans person to compete at the olympics?

[@Lachid-zv2qk]

No , after defeating a Russian opponent . The president of the International Boxing Organisation was Russian . Imane was born as a woman and raised as a woman . Her birth certificate and her passport , she is listed as a woman . Woman can have medical condition with high testosterone level . She is a beautiful creation of almighty !

[@nassimb7151]

@ThePrimusCrusader no the ban was politically motivated. Besides, she is a cisgender female with a genetic disorder that gives her an advantage just like Micheal Phelps has a genetic advantage in swimming for having longer arms

[@Doughboy1943]

@ThePrimusCrusaderby a corrupt organization that was banned by the Olympics, and performed the test mid-tournament. Watch the video, Cenk explains it.

[@WholeHolyHole]

@ThePrimusCrusader testosterone testing which means nothing. Some women have naturally occurring higher levels of testosterone. Are we banning 7 foot tall men from playing sports because they have an “unfair” advantage from their genetics?

[@WaltzingUndead]

​​@ThePrimusCrusaderNo critical thinking for you, life must be difficult, I pity you.

[@Ashmooni]

Algeria doesn’t do transgender surgeries.

[@robh.5658]

@@Ashmooni No they don't. Anyone caught trying to even be like that get arrested. Same Gender Bedroom Activity is illegal too. If you're in Algeria, and you get caught kissing someone the same gender as you, you get arrested.

[@attgogattgog8620]

@@Ashmooni Good for Algeria!

[@4651adri]

@@Ashmooni so what? He's a man with a dsd

[@weispresidentnow]

Raising a dog as a cat doesn't make a cat.

[@Arunkumar-bg5xk]

@@Ashmooni yeah Khelifa has no choice. So this is not a black and white issue.

[@joshuadominguez6271]

I’m a lefty but this conversation hurts us so much.

[@jackiemoon4587]

Totally! It's such a privileged position to say they know better on what sex and gender are. And to decide women are less deserving of fairness and rights is such a terrible position. It pushed me and lots of others away from democratics.

[@Johnnysmithy24]

The left has been adopting a bunch of stupid nonsensical positions that are costing you support

[@matthewwelsh294]

But she is not trans. She is from Algeria where it is illegal to be trans

[@matthewwelsh294]

But the boxer was born female and from a country that bans trans

[@OneHipNinja]

@@matthewwelsh294 we do not know if she is female. She could very well have a DSD which endowed her with testes and androgenized development (male), and thus bestowing male advantage.

[@Antonius17]

Wow I feel like a fool. I only just saw the video on Twitter and I actually got tricked into thinking she was a Trans woman at first.

[@ernstbtmn]

You are rare. You have admitting you were fooled. Hats off.

[@randomperson-rz4cb]

Honestly dw, I thought that she was intersex or had DSD but the report from IBA may be wrong, so who knows what the truth is

[@MissSilencedogood]

@Porter-1488 Yep and even intersex males with DSD deformities are XY there is no way around this. Either he is a male pretending to be a man to beat up women in sports or he is a male who was intersex raised as a woman who KNEW he was a biological genetic male who wanted to beat up women in women's sports to collect prize money and medals. Either way he is GUILTY and should be removed from sports.

[@Lillypop93]

I saw the report on a Fox News website and all I could think is fox News puts out so much fake stuff that I don't know if this is a real story with a real trans. Athlete who really hurt a non Trans athlete or if this is just a masculine presenting woman who kicked a$s... So i decided not to care.

[@teknoid5878]

Me too, i got angry that these kind of thing happened at the olympic level. Turns out she was born female.

[@alansargent9158]

Why is an Algerian vs Italian boxing match in Paris an issue in the US? Do they imagine Algeria is "woke"? Eligibility is determined by the IOC.

[@TheSoulCrisis]

Because people are tired of actual born men beating up on women, which has happened inside and outside of the U.S. in different sporting events.

[@matthewwelsh294]

Because many people are clueless and have weak feelings

[@PristianoPenaldoSUIIII]

The Olympics defers eligibility testing to the governing body of each sport! It's just for boxing they had to create an in-house governing body since the IBA, who are the organisation that disqualified Khalif in 2023, are so ridiculously corrupt. Their eligibility test for boxing is based on the one that was established after Rio 2016, before the IBA was stripped of its status as the global governing body.

[@modernfiddler5475]

its an issue because its compromising the integrity of women's sports.

[@miramuchachito296]

Cenk and Anna have felt so low. What the f is he even talking about?

[@PoochieCollins]

Tell me you've not watched the video without telling me you've not watched the video -- *Ana (not "Anna") is not even in this clip.*

[@miramuchachito296]

@PoochieCollins first tell me you are a moron without telling me you are a moron. First I watched the video. Second I named Anna ( yes I put two nn get over it) because she works here too and show signs of the same problem. Use your brain

[@S.1-I-I-1-1]

You can have a transman compete in male sports, but it's not fair to have transwomen compete in female sports.

[@CraziRocka]

Love how Cenk got EVERYTHING wrong. Sounding more and more like his old republican self everyday.

[@CPUGaming]

He's also a union buster

[@souljaboyisbad]

Sounds like a sane progressive

[@PristianoPenaldoSUIIII]

Even on a factual basis he was wrong again and again. No, the Olympics don't just look at passports to determine gender. They have a testing procedure decided by the governing body of the specific sport.

[@S.1-I-I-1-1]

You can have a transman compete in male sports, but it's not fair to have transwomen compete in female sports.

[@whthafk]

im with francesca. common sense human rights

[@modernfiddler5475]

but frannie doesnt not embody those values.

[@S.1-I-I-1-1]

You can have a transman compete in male sports, but it's not fair to have transwomen compete in female sports.

[@modernfiddler5475]

@@S.1-I-I-1-1 no such thing as trans men or women. you cant change your gender.

[@oleonard7319]

What they failed to mention is she competed in Tokyo and didn't medal there

[@modernfiddler5475]

how is that relevant? a boxer didnt do good so that proves its not male/trans? if thats your reasoning its very weak. thats evidence of nothing other than the individual didnt do very well. cant infer much else from that.

[@taurusjn59]

I feel bad for her. These people are sick . You go girl. Don't let those loosers let you down.

[@modernfiddler5475]

you go MAN

[@jasonmillsom2981]

This has to be the worst position cenk has ever taken, he has literally fallen for right wing propaganda and is disturbingly uneducated on this topic

[@OsirisRising1]

This and being against Dreamers back in 2010. Idk if he ever changed his position about that.

[@leebaratineur108]

This video didn't age well.

[@DojoVII]

God, Cenk has such an awful take on this.

[@bbearsmama]

I actually like that Ana and Cenk may not have the perceived “typical” response to some issues. It really helps me see things from different perspectives. THIS is what I enjoy about TYT. They are not just talking puppets. They share their opinions and explain why just as all 3 did just now. That’s what makes their reporting feel honest. I don’t agree with everything they say but my goal is NOT to find a news show that I agree with all the time. I want to hear various sides of the issues.

[@2get2Terrapin]

Francesca is absolutely correct. People can't just "walk in" to the Olympics, ffs. And "Whatever" (dismissive) Really Cenk? That's what men say when they're too stubborn to listen to women. Even John called out your conflating, bro: (shaking his head) "She didn't say that." If you're the fairest man in America, Cenk, watch this video and judge yourself against the man you want to be. I'm disappointed in you, brother.

[@jayl549]

I work in a DSD clinic. The general public have no clue how many people have ambiguous genitalia and suffer from body dysmorphia because of it. They aren’t transgender, but intersex. Hell, some individuals can actually have mix gonads (ovoid testes)!

[@teknoid5878]

How would you approach this matter?

[@jayl549]

@@teknoid5878 as surgeons - we do nothing, only establish anatomy via scans and scopes under general anaesthetic. They see endocrinologists and psychologists, who do the bulk of the work. Only when they are 18+ can they decide to have surgical intervention. Some struggle with identity, a lot due to social pressures.

[@linguisticness]

@@jayl549 TELL EM!

[@modernfiddler5475]

hermaphrodites should not compete in women's sports. #changeMyMind

[@clemdane]

IBA tested them to make sure they were XX karyotypes and they failed. They have Y chromosomes. They likely have a DSD (that only males can get) that gave the appearance of outer female genitals at birth and were thus recorded and raised as female. But they had internal testes which became active during puberty and produced male levels of testosterone that ended up building male physiques. I am sure this was highly distressing to them and their families, but it is not fair for them to fight against females. Poorer countries without Western medical care are much more likely to have cases like these that go undetected for years.

[@gabriellecruz7193]

What do you expect from these guys! liberalism is a mental disease.

[@emceecheeks2794]

Having trans women being able to compete against cisgender women, especially in combat sports, is such a fringe and silly idea. Why bother separating the sexes at all when it comes to competition??? It's just a purely emotional argument that can be easily used to point out how ridiculous the left can be at times. Thank God Cenk doesn't bow to this pressure.

[@zedrickmcclintock1202]

@@emceecheeks2794 where do you all keep coming up with all different terms. Back in the day it was may three (3) that one would say out openly. Straight/Gay/Bi. Those other terms I'm not going to repeat. Because until I understood that those WORDS were causing someone who I cared about was making them feel unwanted and shameful.

[@YourTamedLion]

Francesca also showed she is not a lawyer and didnt yet get how law works. To even try and make the argument that human rights give transwomen a right to compete in women sports with gender seperation ...makes her look uneducated. Good heart but she looks stupid in this video.

[@LofiM8705]

Remember when freeing slaves was a silly and fringe idea my fellow conservative

[@Jack-cs4tq]

@@LofiM8705 your comment simply shows why most people view progressives as insane - the comparison is beyond absurd

[@modernfiddler5475]

@@LofiM8705 literally nobody is left alive from when that happened. impossible to remember such a thing.

[@blainechild9068]

Here after majority report with sam seder

[@MrMortombachman]

She just lost to another female boxer from Ireland...

[@garenthal9638]

The dude just clinched a medal

[@dfattyadams123]

@@garenthal9638 Yep. The IOC is wrong for not being transparent about testing for PEDs or levels of testosterone that might affect an athlete's performance. This will be a big issue for them.

[@yapp2yapp2]

@@dfattyadams123 ... This literally proved it didnt affect her performance, because she (imane, the woman) got her ass kicked by the other woman. Fool

[@hannamakela6989]

And, as a Finn, I can confirm that Khelif has lost to a Finnish cisgender boxer (Mira Potkonen), as well.

[@darrenwithers3628]

Well done Francesca

[@joeeyaura]

you dont just walk into the olympics and youre competing, theres years of competitions and qualifications, and organizations, that do testing all the way. chenk is just factually wrong here.. TYT is taking more right wing positions every day

[@modernfiddler5475]

Cenk just isnt far left enought for you. its ok to admit the truth

[@joeeyaura]

@@modernfiddler5475 just walking into the olpympics is a complete lie, just like the right does, and everyone that works for him was afraid to call him out on it.

[@Kb84903]

I have facial hair like men if I don’t shave. I was born as a woman and I’m one. But due to my pcos, I have hirtuism, a hormonal disorder. Many women with pcos are like this. And many women can have masculine structure or have high testosterone hormones. We are still women. Plus there is race related genetic differences. An American rugby player can have high testosterone but if she fits into the Western beauty standards, it would be okay. But this is not the case for women in the Mediterranean, Middle East and beyond. How can people achieve to be discriminating to cis women, trans people and different ethnicities at the same time ?!

[@Sansfeur]

Then you also have facial hair like men when you do shave.. just saying. (Sorry but I didn't understand the rest)

[@Kb84903]

⁠​⁠@@SansfeurYes women with hirtuism can have mustache or beard. Shaving helps those women, us, feel like feminine and accepted in the society. Feminine in terms of beauty standards of the society. You know pretty face, without facial hair, without any damage on their face. Women does not mean one type of appearance or certain type of hormones. We can all have hormonal problems. The rest says basically there are many women in Egypt, Greece, Middle East, Mediterranean or around this region would not look like feminine to a Western gaze at all. But these do not make them trans. Clear enough?

[@donalobrien9422]

This boxer has been on the circuit for years and has been beaten all the time.

[@garenthal9638]

And yet just locked an Olympic medal

[@matthewwelsh294]

@@garenthal9638 Lost nine times before

[@matthewwelsh294]

You can't be trans in Algeria where Imane is from. And she was born female

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

It was all lies. Imane is an ACTUAL woman who's tall and physically built like a man and Angela forfeited because she realized she couldn't beat Imane. Not because Imane was punching her too hard.

[@Blu3Blaze18]

Dude last year she failed her IBA (International Boxing Association) test. There's only one reason why she'll fail and be disqualified from the Women's IBA Championship Tournament. I doubt the Paris Olympics boxing committee would be so critical of the IBA decision if the Summer games were held in 1999 🥵

[@chapinrey]

@@SpammytheHedgehog No it was not a lie. Califa has a nutsack !

[@teknoid5878]

@@Blu3Blaze18 Did you watch the video? Its because someone dont want her beating a russian girl. IBA is russian based.

[@chapinrey]

@@SpammytheHedgehog Calif has testicles. What more do you need ?

[@WaltzingUndead]

​@@Blu3Blaze18There is no proof, provide some, idiot.

[@may_it_please_the_court]

Whatever set of chromosomes a person has when they are born cannot be changed. This is because chromosomes are in all the cells that make up our bodies. To change a person’s chromosomes would mean changing trillions of cells! There aren’t any technologies (and probably won’t be in the future) that can change a chromosome in all of a person’s cells. Whichever gender someone identifies with (or not) is based on their internal sense of being, not chromosomes. Chromosomes can only say what a person is born with, not how they see themselves. Say what you want.....males females can't change their chromosomes.

[@zainzoala1083]

😂😂😂 There was a tweet “ Serena Williams was accused of being a man when outperforming a white female. Caster Semenya was accused of being a man when outperforming a white female. Imane Khalifa was accused of being a man when outperforming a white female. Take what you want from this.”

[@jasonwolfe1318]

I take it your a racist fool

[@Luiz-w5s]

Except Serena is XX.

[@Fourtune1]

@@Luiz-w5sso is Semenya. She’s XX. Stop the conspiracies.

[@attgogattgog8620]

@@zainzoala1083 Gas lighting. Nice try, lefties. 🙂

[@chapinrey]

@@zainzoala1083 Everybody know Serena is a female.

[@zarius6363]

This is like the bathroom issue! Does Cenk think we should police who's satisfactorily a woman to enter the ladies' bathroom? Is that his position too? When he says "Any man can just say they're a woman and compete against them in sports!" all I hear is "Any man could just put a dress on to enter the ladies' bathroom!!" Just totally ridiculous hypotheticals. Not the same thing? Isn't this about fairness and women's safety? That's exactly what the bathroom issue is about too, so why is Cenk not consistent with his positions? Btw, I don't even think Francesca is saying sports organizations shouldn't have rules or methodologies to determine what is fair competition, she's just saying a person's identity shouldn't be a factor and she's also saying WE as uninvolved individuals shouldn't foment discrimination with positions such as Cenk's which, if taken to their logical conclusions, end up catering to the Right. Uncompromising solidarity should be our position. "Trans women are women, even in sports" isn't a bargaining chip, it's the STARTING point to further discussion on the matter.

[@robinhood20253]

I agree with you . The boogeyman they are fighting doesnt exist.

[@parker469a]

Remember when they kept calling Michelle Obama trans? A woman with kids.

[@Elijah1916_myhighway]

​@@parker469a Any woman that isn't a skinny supermodel is trans in the eyes of those yahoos.

[@InterdimensionalCowlick]

What's telling about this is that Cenk will go off into screaming fits if he feels like a progressive politician is compromising on something but here its "bad politics."

[@Eccles4]

Agree with Cenk. Thank you, Cenk.

[@modernmonkmovement]

imane khelif record; 37 wins, 9 loses to women, and ONLY 6 lousy knockouts under her belt. She's surely not a "Macho" Camacho. So what I'm saying is, even if she was a male she's really not that great of a boxer to my opinion. Amy Broadhurst beat imane khelif. I'd like to know if imane khelif has been knocked out or even knocked down by any of the women she lost to. Republicans eat pudding with a straw. They like to waste people's time with nonsense. Francesca Fiorentini is on point and she's getting more eyes on her. She's a Super Progressive.

[@modernmonkmovement]

Khelif is from Algeria, which does not have any legal protections for LGBTQ+ people. Algeria does not allow people to change their legal sex.

[@teknoid5878]

Oh no way wikipedia is true, it's what megyn kelly or elon musk said, must be the correct one.

[@TheSoulCrisis]

@@modernmonkmovementI can understand why…..

[@parker469a]

They remind me of the girlfriend in "Get Out" that eats dry cereal one piece at a time and is drinking a glass of milk with a straw.

[@garenthal9638]

Yet she just secured a medal

[@HistoricFootball]

Francesca is so nuts even cenk cant stand her.

[@9395gb]

Stop being this moron back.

[@seanbinkley7363]

Methinks it’s highly unlikely a Muslim majority nation put a trans-woman forward as their champion for women’s boxing. Especially when that country doesn’t recognize trans people as existing.

[@Wicked_Trojan]

They would if it meant getting a medal. A lot of countries do literally anything to win.

[@eternaltruth52]

​@@Wicked_Trojanlol nice conspiracy theory, so they declare a male as female at birth to get Olympic medal😂😂😂😂😂

[@randomperson-rz4cb]

@@Wicked_Trojan for an olympics medal? I think the government has more important things than defending someone that they’re mostly against

[@MissSilencedogood]

@@randomperson-rz4cb Uhm that means a lot of money for the government AND the medal winner. You know nothing about the Olympics.

[@MissSilencedogood]

@@eternaltruth52 NOPE I think they either ran a intersexed person they KNEW was intersexed meaning an intersexed MALE XY to promote them to win money Or ran a male they could make up any backstory for them yep I sure do its a third world country known to be corrupt its Algeria.

[@neoskhaos]

calling people "cis" is stupid BS

[@bonbonvegabon]

Yes we get it, words are hard for you reichiwngers. lol Buy a dictionary dude

[@ameliaburke3241]

Its a scientific term that has existed for a long ass time. Uneducated people dont like it because they think its new 🤡

[@modernfiddler5475]

cis is not a word. i liken it to the babblings of babies. just ignore it.

[@melan8ed197]

Lol why’re you so triggered about a descriptive word. It’s not an insult, don’t know if you know that

[@modernfiddler5475]

@@melan8ed197 you are forcing your labels on other people. you probably cant see that. It is a ridiculous, invented term that has no real meaning in the english language. You all don't get to redefine the human condition for all of us. 'cis' is not a real word and i do not acknowledge it. most other people are tired of this game.

[@ilikeducksable]

For Francesca, I think she believes that standing strong and fighting the good fight on this issue by clashing with right wingers will win the day. I don’t think this is true. Did we get gay rights/acceptance b/c of pride marches with dudes in drag or wearing thongs and weird bondage leather stuff screaming for everyone to accept them? Or did we get gay rights b/c of just regular straight people interacting with regular gay people, so straight people saw that gay people weren’t scary, evil child molesters but just Brian in accounting. Also, it’s easy to “stand strong” on this issue when you don’t have to sacrifice anything substantive for this position. She’s basically volunteering olympic athletes to give up medals b/c of what she thinks is right. What if Francesca had to give up being in this show b/c a trans person filled the slot? Shouldn’t she support that, more trans visibility?

[@matthewtucker2058]

You seem to make a lot of assumptions that I don't know how you could possibly know. So you're saying going to like a pride parade and never changed anyone's thoughts or feelings about any gay people. I didn't realize you had the powers of professor x and a Time traveler.

[@jesusbarrera6916]

@@matthewtucker2058 pride parades are very generally frowned upon by the normal behaving population

[@SutapaBhattacharyaKolkata]

What's wrong with Cenk?

[@RamenNoodle1985]

It's the AK Rowling and The Young Terfs effect

[@joe41040]

Seriously Jessie is one creepy dude

[@bradfriedman9398]

Everyone on the planet should be ashamed of this. Imagine training your whole life and even if you have the most talented woman on the planet and have the hardest worth ethic of any woman….you cannot win. So for one athlete you destroy all the other real women. Absolutely completely disgusting.

[@edwin5419]

Don't know how Francesca puts up with this. She deserves better

[@RamenNoodle1985]

She has her own channel, the bitchuation room. It's John that pisses me off. Still sucking Cenk's d***.

[@josephvadasz1238]

This is just a modern day witch hunt. Any woman who they don't like is different and maybe a man until they prove otherwise, which of course they can never prove to satisfaction

[@lynneburridge9082]

Protect the Rights of Women n that is all that matters. These women trained all their life to get to Olympics n their rights should be protected.

[@CPUGaming]

What rights are violated by allowing trans people to complete? Genuine question. I'm unaware of such a right.

[@rodzalez3549]

You guys dont know shes female?

[@ElectroNeuron]

12:09 The point is that this is exactly what has now happened. It's not hypothetical. The argument is literally RIGHT NOW. Should this be okay or not. So deal with the actual reality and wake up.

[@waize-1383]

Sam seder set you straight Cenk I wish you would grow some ballz and debate him on the subject. This is embarrassing for a progressive. I've been watching you since you started in pretty much a basement. The Left has outlived its need for TYT.

[@adhamnumair-el8958]

Trans athletes should have their own athletic leagues to compete in.

[@-ACE.]

she's not trans though. She was born a woman... still is.

[@SonaAvedian]

@@adhamnumair-el8958 she's NOT trans. Omg she intersex for F sake. And there's not nearly enough trans athletes to even have their own organization in anything, let alone intersex.

[@adtekguide]

I agree with Cenk

[@Quarin12]

Holy shit Fran is so wrong it's not even funny. You have monitor and test especially in combat sports where people can get hurt or even die!

[@erniehudson1]

The whole "Trump & Vance are weird" thing works beautifully, but Francesca has to jump in and make sure that the far left looks weirder. Trump is happy.

[@OGGamingABC]

Thank You John , Cenk has the wrong approach

[@kolleo13]

I agree with yal on most things . But not this. There is a reason that men and women have separate races . Men are bigger and stronger than women. They should not competing together .

[@Tiomond]

Well but that is not the discussion here. First of all there are nowhere women who compete against men except of disciplines that are unisex. Secondly transsexual athletes i.e. transsexual women who have been trough female puberty are more similar bodily to cis women than to men. There is very little evidence that transsexual women have any significant advantage over cis women. All this outrage is not based on evidence which I would be in favor to conduct. Let’s do research on this topic and actually find out what measurements and policies ensure fairness and inclusiveness. Picking people because of their looks and judging their gender and potential advantages by their looks is nothing but crazy.

[@alimartin5053]

You think men and women are separate “races” but your opinion is supposed to hold some sort of meaning or value?

[@drooghead]

Francesca is right. I can't handle the bullshit at TYT any more. Unsubscribed!

[@modernfiddler5475]

echo chamber weasel

[@Wayne-tu6dz]

The IBF is talking about blood work and sex chromosome testing. The IOC is talking about how to define a woman, culture wars and hateful rhetoric. I think I know which organization is going to be more credible when talking about whether the athlete is a male or not. That's because one is dealing with objective truth and reality whilst the other seems to be dealing with feelings and head canon.

[@Gerelton]

I have been saying this for years that this trans argument leads to nowhere. It only takes away people rights. I have told my friends that once they start policing trans women, they are going to start targeting cis women as well. Here we are today. Next, everyone is going to ask to see her private to confirm.

[@elkeve2742]

So.... don't work on trans issues?

[@Gerelton]

@elkeve2742 works on the real trans issue, like providing health care and standing against people who want to take their rights away. Cenk knows better than to used what if arguments.

[@elkeve2742]

@@Gerelton I have a real problem with the concept of "real problems". I"ve been beaten about the head with it for decades, and yet everything one would expect to happen when yielding symbolic discussions to the right wing biggots, happened.

[@Gerelton]

@elkeve2742 The way I view it is that once people have an idea in their head, it is very hard to break it. It is very hard to have real conversations without offending people in the process.

[@elkeve2742]

@@Gerelton It is also incredibly difficult to watch these debates and not have visible and vocal allies. It's not about changing J.K. Rowling's mind, it's about queer people noticing that not everyone agrees with her and that people are willing to stick their neck out to say that.

[@thrutherhythm44]

Genetic woman = xx chromosomes. This is fundamental, basic biology. What do you mean it doesn’t exist?

[@Arguments_only]

I know. That was a indoctrinated response.

[@makingstatements812]

@thrutherhythm44 so if you were born a female, with female anatomy, and you have both xx and xy chromosome your not a female? Because this happens.

[@joycevelazquez2833]

This is when I'm reminded that Cenk started off as a republican. Very disappointed in him right now.

[@souljaboyisbad]

No This is a common sense position

[@MrDirtyVisage]

So one issue makes him republican... You people are the reason why people get turned off by The Left.

[@waize-1383]

@@MrDirtyVisage No but this one issue shows his conservative bias on the issue. You people are the reason why people are unsubbing from TYT and getting over 1k likes that TYT has out lived its usefulness. The transphobia is wack.

[@WorkingMan1177]

Now that society is finally accepting Trans people in general, these kind of questions are being raised. It makes sense to ask because in the past we haven’t had to very much, if at all. Regardless, if a woman transitioned to a male, then that person is on testosterone by necessity. However, testosterone is a performance enhancing drug. We all know the policies surrounding PEDs. If a man transitions to female, then very possibly that person’s musculature will be, by nature, superior in size and strength to other females. Yes, that person would be on estrogen but from a physical perspective that may not level the “playing field” enough. In competition there can be no external advantage(s) allowed.

[@bengrz13]

Wow, an actual nuanced position? How dare you suggest that the situation is complicated instead of just calling Cenk a fascist for not wanting people who've been on hormones for a week to compete in sports with cis people of the gender they're transitioning to.

[@Jenifer_R_]

Everyone is avoiding the elephant in the room. Imane Khelif looks very masculine. Why won't anyone rip the band-aid off so we can get past that fact and move on to the bigger conversation?

[@Slickstaff_Stainpants]

nah. new rules. You arnt allowed to criticize ANYTHING or you are x-Phobic. Logic, reason and general common sense are now illegal. You can read. Thats elitist and unfair to those who cant read.. you're going to jail buddy :)

[@TheSoulCrisis]

Thank you for calling a spade a spade! ♠️ ❤

[@craigfriedman4759]

Algerian gold medal boxer found to have testicles. Will Cenk apologize for claiming Algerian boxer was a woman?

[@thedonut2118]

the medical report is completely unsubstantiated

[@craigfriedman4759]

​@@thedonut2118easy to resolve let this person take a test and show that they have XX chromosomes and not the XY chromosomes we all know they have

[@JamesCarter1998]

@@craigfriedman4759Khelif’s father already showed a copy of her birth certificate - which clearly states that she was born female. You’d think that would be enough to put the issue to bed, but the right are just too obsessed with speculating about other people’s genitals to just take the L on this 🙄

[@alex-qd6of]

Don't you know what intersexed means? The person who filled out the certificate, was mistaken. ​@@JamesCarter1998

[@Red-nn3cl]

He’s not even intersex he just has a small penis he still pees out if it he’s just a cheat with a tiny penis

[@papabear8059]

Iman Khelif should go compete with the men

[@helixmoore7636]

Imane followed the rules. Why are you mad at Imane?

[@modernfiddler5475]

@@helixmoore7636 not sure why you think papa is mad it khelif. he just sasid it should compete with men. i agree, it should compete with men or not at all

[@helixmoore7636]

@@modernfiddler5475 I agree

[@SSJBartSimp]

Cenk is 100% right, Francesca is in outer space.

[@aterlycan]

Yea Imani has Xy chromosome and is best case scenario intersex, Imani was banned by IBA for having male chromsomes and high test, as long as he has XY he is male born as intersex

[@TheLunarnaut]

TYT would benefit it if kept Cenk, and Ana away from talking about trans issues or crime rates. Love John Iadarola, and Francesca Fiorentini, glad they were there, especially Francesca, to call Cenk out on his bs transphobic opinion.

[@Shockkings0714]

Wanting fairness in sports is not "transphobic"

[@Wiseguy1120]

​@@Shockkings0714You don't want fairness. You want conformity. Or do you think that Shaq or Michael Phelps shouldn't be allowed to compete in their sports because of their genetic advantages?

[@Shockkings0714]

@@Wiseguy1120 Shaq and Michael Phelps were born men and played men sports. If you're born a man you should not be able to play in women sports due to a multitude of physical adanvatages. This goes vice versa as well. I thought this was common sense. There's a reason the sports are seperated.

[@Shockkings0714]

Shaq and Michael Phelps were born men and played men sports. If you're born a man you should not be able to play in women sports due to a multitude of physical adanvatages. This goes vice versa as well. I thought this was common sense. There's a reason the sports are seperated.

[@Wiseguy1120]

@@Shockkings0714 she wasn't born a man. You just don't understand biology or social constructs like gender. You genuinely don't know what you're talking about. And I love this issue because it specifically highlights how social conservatives like yourself don't understand anything. I mean that You literally don't understand anything about the world around you. You're just a bunch of violent reactionaries.

[@fohunter1]

Why do we have men’s sports and women’s sports if there’s no biologically innate differences? We should love all people, but love is acceptance but not total agreement.❤

[@_Sakidora_]

You must not care about women, you can’t even get Katie Ledecky’s name right.

[@davidd6637]

As a progressive I believe in inclusivity, but when it comes to sports, it should only be skill-based competition, not physical-based. There are clear physical differences (is a scientific fact, not an opinion or a view) between men, women, and transgender men/women that clearly affect the competition. If we want transgender athletes to flourish why not give them their own devisions to compete. I assure you, most people will embrace them, not resent them.

[@AitchD]

Sports is the equivalent of biological advantages..if we do as you say, we would cancel the Olympics

[@Unhappy_Nomad_Client]

This channel spreads more hate than Fox ever did.

[@Sa_m-sam]

Nahh fox is far worse

[@garenthal9638]

@@Sa_m-samnot from a hate standpoint. The left hates the right far worse than the opposite

[@Nightcrook]

From a hormone perspective, that Y chromosome results in development that aligns with male characteristics which are things like HIGHER MUSCLE MASS, STRENGTH, SPEED, BONE DENSITY, and stuff like that. Again these are male characteristics that result due to that Y chromosome which she has which STILL makes it UNFAIR! OUR argument is that it’s not fair and y’all’s is that she’s not transgender lol Also it’s funny that they won’t say why transgenderism is banned there…. And that is because there is no study, journal, organization, or institution ON EARTH that has proven or stated that there’s strong evidence of benefits to hormone blockers or sex change surgeries on anyone. Then they like to argue well we can’t ban it cause there will be a mass su1c1de wave… and well there’s plenty of countries that have banned it due to the reason I stated above and there has been NO SUCH WAVE! DO SOME RESEARCH PPL! Yall are too focused on the transgenderism part Our argument still stands in which it is not fair

[@clemdane]

They can't share the athletes' tests. It would violate their privacy.

[@thepsychomagus]

Yeah don't care about their privacy when it could mean the difference of life and death for women. There have been multiple times when transwomen have maimed and almost killed a woman. The nonsense has to stop before it is normal for women to die in their events.

[@khalzo7804]

The Italian woman should be banned from boxing. She can take the punch and started the narrative

[@qballoswald9141]

you must not participate in combat sports. You sound stupid right now, respect women and their right to a fair chance at getting a medal. Instead of MEN pretending to be a woman. Your delusional.

[@mariamagdalena8502]

​@@qballoswald9141 imane was born a woman stop being so ignorant

[@jesse_cole]

She apologized for getting it started and retracted her position.

[@qballoswald9141]

@@khalzo7804 you've obviously never been in a combat sport. Total difference between getting hit by man and a woman. Even in light sparring. Men just hit different.

[@gnostic268]

Yeah. The Italian woman was such a big crybaby. She only started boxing because her brother did.

[@rebekahj8662]

The Italian had no business being in the ring. She had only 5 fights under her belt. She didn’t have the experience and didn’t know how to take a punch. She dropped her guard, and the Algerian boxer looked surprised. The Algerian boxer was so surprised she did not punch the Italian at her full strength. Italy should be shamed, they ruined the Algerian’s chance to show off her skills in the ring on a international stage. The Algerian looked so disappointed that she didn’t have a proper competitor for that match. And then they have the ghoulish idea to call her a man? C’mon.

[@MajimeTV]

Precisely 😂 just how they called Michelle Obama a man because she is a tall black woman

[@calebjackson3895]

THANK you, Fransesca Fiorentini! The Young Turks gave you a brief opportunity to counter their centrist-appeasing rhetoric on trans people, and you freaking nailed it. Cenk kept mischaracterizing it as "Trans people are allowed to do whatever they want, and you're not allowed to ask ANY questions" and you remained firmly planted in reality.

[@jimweb3230]

Cenk is right on this issue but fell for unnecessary right-wing framing.

[@thepsychomagus]

There are people on the Left if told what is going on in a proper manner would be against this too.

[@davidsmith-uw2ci]

Just like creationists right wingers cant argue anything honestly.

[@fohunter1]

@@davidsmith-uw2ci I’m a creationist and I have never voted Republican. There are tens of thousands across the whole of America. Interesting.

[@cantbeserious4120]

If this boxer is being lied on I hope there’s a way she can sue for defamation or that they will atone in some way for ruining what should have been a time of her being honored. That said. Transgender females should not compete in physical sports, especially combat sports, with cisgender females. This is not transphobic. This is science, logic and common sense. It’s an unfair advantage even if the cisgender female is victorious. Just like if a competitor tests positive for PEDs and loses. They should still be penalized because they cheated. Due to the complexities of the world we live in today it is necessary and should be mandatory to assess an individuals genetic/biological (what ever everyone wants to call it) sex prior to physical competition.

[@nugggstar]

South park has an episode

[@sapphicgeek24]

I unsubbed ages ago because y'all got unhinged, but I came here after the Majority Report video. I'm *disgusted* with this. Fran deserves better, and TYT has sold out. This isn't a progressive platform. This is a vanity project.

[@walker9276]

i came to check the video after watch tmr as well....they distorted the truth as well cause as far as i can see Cenk is with the Algerian lady here

[@walker9276]

the issue is just when transgender people in sports is mentioned....and that is just in general terms what his opinion is

[@sleepyjessie]

​@@walker9276he's "with her" in so far as he seems to think it's okay to let this be an issue and let the right wing hurt people like her so that he can say "look, they're weird!" People getting hurt shouldn't be part of your politics

[@cgrass4035]

It’s unfortunate that it is difficult for trans people, but it can’t be fair for biological women to compete against people born male. I’m not sure that sports are human rights either.

[@matthewwelsh294]

But the boxer was born female and from a country that does not allow trans

[@cgrass4035]

@@matthewwelsh294 yes…the boxer was born female…not in dispute. I think trans people should have equal rights. Sports is just a tricky area to make fair so that it works for everyone. Sports automatically rules out most people anyway.

[@jasondima1411]

This is abuse!!! Disgusting and shameful!!

[@jeblmknctmabtaldlr]

Francesca's argument is an illogical time-loop. She argues that IF transwomen aren't allowed in women's sports, THEN actual women will be challenged. That has historically always been a problem. People called Serena Williams, Steffi Graf, Martina Navratilova and others "manly" 25 to 50 years ago. That didn't happen because of the trans debate of the 2020s. That obnoxious reaction to athletic women is already baked in, has always been, and thus is completely irrelevant to the discussion. I don't like it, I think it's wrong, but the trans debate didn't cause it and won't solve it. But I'll give credit for one thing: at least she didn't bring up the unconvincing standard talking points of "we don't ban tall people from basketball" or "Michael Phelps has long arms and blah blah blah lactic acid." Maybe even she is sick of hearing those. One can hope, and further hope everyone else will abandon them too. But John with the bad hair (too old for that to look good, sorry) fell back into that old canard, "they don't care about women's sports, so what they say doesn't matter." So if someone who does care disagrees with him, say Martina Navratilova for example, then what? Does she win automatically? An irrelevant argument, because he doesn't really care whether someone cares.

[@jakemccoy]

The term "cisgender" initially sounds weird, but the definition makes more sense than "biological female" or "biological male". The word cisgender describes a person whose gender identity corresponds to their sex assigned at birth (i.e., someone who is not transgender). At birth, the doctor assigns a gender for the birth certificate based on visual inspection. The doctor does not run any biological testing. So, the term "biological" is technically inaccurate.

[@modernfiddler5475]

cisgender is a made up term. i don't acknowledge it. im definitely not alone here

[@fwowncwown]

Damn Cenk fell way the hell off. You lost me! Good job Fran! 🙌🏼

[@souljaboyisbad]

Based cenk

[@Yourplacewatchingyousleep]

Cant change Bone Mass. Problem solved

[@kellykilfeather]

I find this woman’s hardline and blinkered position on trans athletes to be as problematic as the right’s. It’s not often I agree with Cenk but… here we are

[@PNHassett]

I'm with Joe Rogan. In women's combat sports, if your opponent has male skeleton, male muscle and male hands, the woman is at a disadvantage and will be brutalized. There's physical difference despite transitioning.

[@Jonathan-ic9ef]

How do you go about regulating that without subjecting athletes to invasive inspections? I can't even see a plurality of athletes agreeing to that.

[@MTnomad186]

​@Jonathan-ic9ef a simple cheek swab test takes less than a minute to do to test for XY chromosome.

[@Jonathan-ic9ef]

@@MTnomad186 Yeah, but this guy is also talking about things like skeletal structure. If we're going to start accounting for things like genetic abnormalities in competitive sports, then athletes like Michael Phelps and Katie Ledecky will never be allowed to compete again.

[@daisycaltha6561]

@@Jonathan-ic9ef Besides the doping tests just demand a chromosome test from all female athletes.

[@daisycaltha6561]

@@Jonathan-ic9ef No he is talking about athletes, who went through male puberty and want to compete against women regardless. In sport there is a category for women for a reason! So, demanding a chromosome test from female athletes has become necessary it seems; to save women's sport.

[@T.K...]

Francesca is a badass

[@sabymondal]

9:42 I agree with Cenk. Why do we have 2 separate male/female categories in sports? So that we can ELIMINATE UNFAIR PHYSICAL ADVANTAGE. That is a fair policy - right? So either we should stick to that policy (not allow UNFAIR PHYSICAL ADVANTAGE to anyone), or, we should not have 2 categories at all. In that case, let's put males and females together in sports. Would that sound fair? Anyone?

[@Ryan-093]

the entire purpose of the olympics is to find the best athletes on the planet. should michael phelps be banned because he was born with the perfect body for swimming? is that unfair to everyone else?

[@sabymondal]

@@Ryan-093 So let's remove male/female categories. You should be fine with that, right?

[@Ryan-093]

@@sabymondal next you'll want to segregate athletes by their race. we wouldn't want black people outperforming white athletes, would we?

[@sabymondal]

@@Ryan-093 I would not. There is no perfect solution. I want to stick to the ancient basic principle that tries to eliminate male's advantage over female. My question to you is, you want to stick to that? or remove this category all together? Or you have a third solution?

[@Ryan-093]

@@sabymondal imane khelif is a cis woman. she has a vagina. she can get pregnant. she can give birth. and that's still not good enough for you.

[@blitzcraig1001]

So is it possible the Algerian with XY and the Taiwanese who is also XY, end up fighting in the final for the gold medal in the XX division?

[@thepsychomagus]

There were separated by weight classes I believe.

[@blitzcraig1001]

@@thepsychomagus I didn't know that, thanks. Not following the Olympics this time.

[@michaela3910]

Cenk walking back his transphobia after johns statement was hilarious to watch.

[@JosePerez-zr4sp]

A birth certificate should be enough. How much of a witch hunt are we going to have???

[@TheBiggestMoronYouKnow]

Get a job 😂

[@daisycaltha6561]

No, because men do not accept men born with DSD and assign them as women instead. Which of course is wrong; boys with DSD go through male puberty. But in the men's world it is all about the size of their pen.. only.

[@LaraBuluz]

Get a life and read some books. On the right the men want to take women's human rights and dignity away, on the left they want to take women's safety, opportunities and dignity away. All of you men are 🥜

[@davidowens1424]

This is a super basic. Sex is physical and gender is social. As far as sports go, sex is the reason we have men's and women's activities separated, not gender. Because sports are physical, not social. Side note. Mammals have XX or XY chromosomes that differentiate males and females. How someone identifies is not biologically relevant.

[@oleonard7319]

Yeah it's really not that simple

[@andrewrai5752]

@@oleonard7319oh it is that simple are born with a dick, then you are a boy, simple as that

[@dmike3507]

@@andrewrai5752 Wrong. Google search gonadal dysgenesis. Seems you failed your endocrinology class.

[@dmike3507]

It's not basic at all. "Sex is physical" - so what if someone has XY chromosomes but female genitals, or XX chromosomes but male genitals? Are those people physically male or female? How would you determine that? Also gender is not just social. There are differences in brain structure between males and females, which we've known through brain scans since the 1960s. What if someone has a female brain structure but male genitals? You need to take endocrinology classes to understand this stuff.

[@adrianpale2342]

I agree to a certain extent but I don't think it needs to follow a guideline that denotes sex as physical and gender as social. The simplicity of following the scientific, biological differences between those with xy and xx chromosomes is enough. We need to make a distinction because it's just a fact of reality that xy will develop more physical strength than xx. There's literally no equal playing field if those with that kind of advantage are allowed to compete. I support testing for testosterone and making an exception for those who transitioned early enough to mitigate any development that would be considered abnormally stronger compared to the rest of their competitors in the sport they wish to compete in. Saying that we should universally accept any and all trans people into competitive sports is just a misplaced sense of compassion.

[@flipper50]

Holy crap, these guys do a lot of name calling and gaslighting, such pretentious ignorance. These people want you to pick sides and go to war. Intelligent people won’t do that

[@jacktaylor9290]

Francesca is insufferable as usual. Please hire someone smarter.

[@tioswift3676]

She’s horrible. Worthless

[@thighble69]

maybe you should just read the science cause you’re wrong. by statistical data she is correct Strength, power and aerobic capacity of transgender athletes: a cross-sectional study was published in the british journal of sports medicine this year.

[@trueLuminus]

@@thighble69 That "study" is nonsense. Man, the desperation from your camp knows no bounds. For anyone who cares, read this article: "The trans research that identifies as "science" " by Charlotte Gill. Yeah, I'm going to post this every time I see your ridiculous comment.

[@imawake805]

Cenk: "this Is bad politics" =any trans issues Cenk: I identify as a credible candidate for president. 😂

[@danielwolf8365]

They're obsessed with how masculine women are, acting like it's a crime against humanity, but cheer for MTG?

[@sherilumley5498]

Genetic woman doesnt mean anything? Seriously?

[@christophermeekhof7766]

Hope cenk reads his comments just by a simple scroll I counted 575 who un followed the tyt page... make that 576.@

[@souljaboyisbad]

Don't let the door hit you on your way out

[@modernfiddler5475]

not enough echo chamber for you?

[@amitkumar-cw6ib]

She's a natural female by born. Maybe her testosterone levels are high. This is fair fight. Why Western media is crying. Just I remember one quote from our foreign minister. " Europe has to grow out of the mindset that Europ's problem is world's problems but the world's problems is not Europe's problem" - Dr s jaishankar.

[@MikeOxlong217]

It's mostly man

[@joshc6569]

​@@MikeOxlong217Mostly man by what metric.

[@deansusec8745]

wrong. She has XY chromosomes. God said she is female. Every cell of her is.