Unique Military Trials Steyr-Hahn M1911 Pistol

[@AvaToccoRodriguez]

This channel in a nutshell. “Huh, that’s pretty neat.” I love it

[@texasforever6950]

Ikr? Its amazing 😂

[@stephennelson4954]

"Nice *H i s s* " Steve 1989 probably.

[@matthayward7889]

7:58 “you’re not going to hit anything at 1,800m with a pistol” Jerry Miculek: hold my beer

[@51WCDodge]

Yeah, but a lot of fun trying! Especially if others are paying for ammo.

[@ringding1000]

Off hand to boot........

[@phantomspaceman]

@@Kyks2244 They can travel roughly 2300m when fired from a pistol at a 45 degree angle but it's well outside of their effective range. The military doesn't even bother engaging with DMRs past 800m.

[@PeanutNore]

​@@Kyks2244 No. Maximum range is achieved with the bore at an angle of 30 to 40 degrees relative to the ground, and at that angle a 9mm round will hit the dirt at around 1300 to 1400 yards.

[@kevinreardon2558]

@@Kyks2244 Depends on what altitude you are at.

[@yoxernator4076]

Nothing quite like experimental trials pistols with your morning cereal

[@jasondoe2596]

Or with your lunch! Greetings from Europe :D

[@jameshealy4594]

Or with your midnight ice-cream you're totally not using a butter knife to eat. Greetings from Australia

[@bikecommuter24]

or waiting for the coffee pot to finish ☕️

[@pipebombpete.6861]

Or starving in the morning cause you’re watching this instead of eating.

[@presidentmerkinmuffley6769]

Or taking straight pulls off the whiskey bottle.

[@Breakfast_and_Bullets]

4:03 - As an artilleryman, I ALWAYS use a protractor when I aim.... Granted my projectile is just a little bigger than a Steyr-Hahn's...... By 146mm......

[@andyprairiedog]

HAHA....Thanks for sending them "steel footballs" for us grunts. Good to go.

[@Breakfast_and_Bullets]

Hell yeah, Shoot Move and Communicate, brother!

[@wilsonj4705]

A handgun with 1,800 meter sights? Did Jerry Miculek custom order this thing? You sure that's not in 10s of meters?

[@tz8785]

The elevation looks a bit extreme for 180 m.

[@gregoryfilin8040]

Early autoloading pistol optimism. It was seen as a carbine replacement. It was a phase in development history.

[@emeryhenry1849]

@@gregoryfilin8040 yeah, but if we're being honest that was optimistic for rifles (unless we're talking about volley sights)

[@ramjb]

@@gregoryfilin8040 optimism or not on the longest sight range, a minimum sight range of 400m borders absolute crazyness in what respects to me...

[@gregoryfilin8040]

Emery Henry it was and still is. I think because people saw them as a hopeful replacement.

[@ryanpeck3377]

ATF= “you cant put a stock on a Glock” Me= “my glock identifies as a Steyr Hahn M1911”

[@HellbirdIV]

It is a silly way of implementing a law that obviously was intended to make powerful rifles less concealable, when you consider that from a law enforcement perspective, stocked pistols would be preferable for civilian use; Stocks make guns less concealable, and more accurate, which means it is harder to sneak one somewhere it shouldn't be, and should Doofus McDingus decide to get his Glock out because he thinks he's an action star, he's *slightly* less likely to hit innocent bystanders.

[@HellbirdIV]

@@jackandersen1262 Thanks for the clarification! It supports my belief that retaining the second amendment is a mistake. The rights of gun ownership should be properly controlled with normal laws, subject to normal legal scrutiny, rather than the current mess of trying to mesh modern common-sense laws with a 200-year old document held by some as sacrosanct. Things like the AFB come about as (failed) compromises that leave legal gun owners frustrated and anti-gun people disappointed, while having minimal effect on existing gun-related problems. Proper legislation could tackle the problem and find more reasonable compromises for both sides.

[@Staingo_Jenkins]

@Matheus Falango What country, if you don't mind me asking?

[@FreeOfFantasy]

@Matheus Falango it worked in Australia. Of cause they didn't have an organized crime problem that bad to begin with and smuggling something in is rather difficult.

[@FreeOfFantasy]

@@HellbirdIV For me the 2. Referees to a regulated militia aka national guard for national defense minute man style. The SC had of cause a different opinion.

[@myalienware]

I am always surprised that Steyr never modded the M1911 to take detachable magazines. I think adoption and usage of this handgun would have dramatically expanded. It is a somewhat awkward pistol to hold but is remarkable small such as the slide when compared to a colt 1911.

[@dak4465]

This handgun has always held a special place in my heart. Theyre just damn fine guns both in feel and in looks

[@Zorglub1966]

totally agree. And it's beautifully machined.

[@aleramone23]

I love them too. wondering how hard to find and how expensive they are on the United States. im from south america so they are almost impossible to find here.

[@Zorglub1966]

@Alejandro Medina ​ I have one, a 1911 Chilean contract, but deactivated

[@mightywhite360]

This gun is so ugly. It may be a reliable weapon, idk. Never seen one till now, but it's just ugly.

[@dak4465]

@@mightywhite360 to each his own i guess. But keep in mind this was pre to during ww1 and there hadnt really been a set popular design yet

[@TheR0B0sauce]

Gotta love a good Forgotten Weapons video after morning PT.

[@browndd]

1:56 - Wow what a case. That's some serious eye-candy.

[@SlimCowboy]

Totally cool I have a Chilean contract gun and love seeing any form of information put out on the Steyr hahn plus I got very excited at the 4:30 mark and will now make it my life's goal to find a stock for my gun thank you sir for continually putting out amazing content

[@PolenarTactical]

Steyr-Hahn roland special

[@beyondsingularity]

Here we can see a perfect example of of a volley fire pistol :D Aim 1000 of these at a 45° angle, fire and somebody at 1800 meters is going to have a nasty bruise :D

[@PeanutNore]

At a 45 degree angle a 9mm will hit the dirt at around 1300 yards and will have about 10 ft-lb of energy left when it does

[@john-paulsilke893]

Nope, closer absolute range is 2,300yrds. Where are you getting this information? NRA Facts book 1983 is where I’m getting my info, name your source.

[@john-paulsilke893]

Sorry 2,300 meters or 2,500yrds

[@PeanutNore]

I used the ballistic calculator on gundata.org - it's certainly possible that its results are wrong especially in extreme cases like this

[@john-paulsilke893]

Gun data probably cuts off its data way before 43 degrees like this would have to be fired to get this range. Further all of these ranges are insane and other-worldly and whilst technically possible, simply not logical or useful and effective. Cool nerdy computer top gun geek stuff though.

[@urbanrelichunter]

A blind man went to a restaurant. "Menu sir?" Asked the owner. "I'm blind. Just bring me one of your dirty forks.. I will smell it & order." The confused owner got a fork. The blind man smelt the fork with a deep breath. "Yes, I will have the lamb with seasoned potatoes and spring vegetables. "Unbelievable!" thought the owner. The blind man ate and left. 2 weeks later the blind man returned. The owner, wanting to see how good his smell is, quickly went to the kitchen where his wife Brenda was cooking. He said, "Do me a favor and rub this fork over your private part!", which she does! He then goes to the blind man and gives him the fork. The blind man takes it, puts it to his nose and says "Oh interesting..., I never knew Brenda worked here!"

[@robertnrobretual2749]

What a horrible restaurant

[@hansgruber3397]

Im impessed, over all your videos, your german is getting better

[@gunner678]

Something interesting about stocked pistols!

[@fastmongrel]

Love the finish on both of those. Austria Hungary had some talented machinists.

[@yourlocaltoad5102]

Really interesting gun. I‘m kinda surprised that someone really thought that 1.8 kilometers would be a distance that anyone could still hit something with that gun. That much optimism is kinda „unaustrian“ It would be quite nice, if you could get one of these small ring lights that fit on the front of the camera. So basically a light ring that surrounds your camera optics. That would probably increase the visibility of close up shots (like when you showed the holding mechanism of the shoulder stock).

[@yourlocaltoad5102]

Rob Hitler isn’t really a good example for the rest of us austrians. Please don’t judge us today by his actions, thats kinda rude. But I agree, believing that the third reich could win a two-front war was pretty optimistic (or a desperate try to be positive).

[@polygondwanaland8390]

@@yourlocaltoad5102 it was a joke m8 nobody actually thinks the average Austrian is Hitler

[@gunfisher4661]

Rather nice craftsmanship on the pistol

[@Pyre001]

Imagine trying this out as a gimmick and actually hitting something at 1800 meters...

[@Andy47357]

someone call jerry!

[@petesheppard1709]

If you absolutely have to have a unique 1911... At 1400m, volley fire would be hilarious; the terminal effect would probably be a bit like thrown gravel.

[@Erpyrikk]

the fact the Romans had tongs to extract sling bullets from flesh shows that lead projectiles at terminal velocity are still quite capable.

[@petesheppard1709]

@@Erpyrikk So true. Long ago, I read an article about just how grimly effective slings could be at long range. IIRC, they rivaled bows. If I had to take the awful choice, I'd rather be shot with a pistol than hit by a slung lead bullet.

[@aurorawhorealis]

9x19, which in 115 gr. loads isn't very different from 9mm Steyr, has about 23 ft/lbs of energy at 1400m, so yeah it would definitely still do some damage, comparable to a .22 maybe

[@chrissoclone]

"Hahn" for hammer? As a German this is news to me, a hammer is a "Hammer".... Edit: I did my research now and will never doubt you again, in the context of weapons it's really called "Hahn", which was totally new to me. Learned something new today. :(

[@itsmebatman]

I have a hunch this comes from the same train of thought that made the Americans call it "cock the hammer". My guess is that the earliest examples of hammers supposed to hit firing pins looked somewhat like a male chicken. This technology was still relatively new at the turn of the 19th century. So there was no established terminology for the novelties it featured.

[@Pumba421]

Never question Gun Jesus

[@2adamast]

Long ago snaphance or _Schnapphahn_ from _snaphaan_

[@NoosaHeads]

Excellent presentation.

[@Hidalguense]

Just love this magnificant collection.

[@a4channoob]

ran out of artillery shells? just have the troops volley fire of these and make it rain lead

[@jameslawrie3807]

Maybe that's why they issued pistol-stock combos to artillerists: you needed a map board and a gun team to operate the elevation

[@ZGryphon]

Good old Steyr-Hahn. It's got a grip that feels like it was designed for people with right-angle clamps for hands, like life-size Lego minifigures, but I love it anyway. :)

[@eaofdeath187]

I could see an adjustable pistol sight out to 200m possibly being useful for semi-accurate suppression but I admire their optimism going for 1.8km (1.1 miles).

[@anonymousaccordionist3326]

Whenever I see a Forgotten Weapons video featuring a pistol with an attached stock I always think of the "Broom-ception" reload of the broomhandle Mauser.

[@nicholaspatton5590]

Would love to see Ian shoot both of the Steyr-Hahns at the same time. *Catch these Hahns!*

[@Caiddenn]

I would be nice to see if you could get your hands on a Steyr-Hahn M1911/16 Maschinepistole in a future episode. Be nice to know more about that one.

[@jasondoe2596]

Very beautiful - especially the one without the silly sights :D

[@jackdanger9017]

Are you sure that the range markings are meters? Maybe like on the M95 they are in "Schritt" which is about 0.5m.

[@wingracer1614]

That would make more sense. The longest position looks too high for 180 meters but not high enough for 1800. Looks just about right for 900 meters though.

[@shawnr771]

Cool pistol and stock. Shoulder stocked pistols are intriguing. Although having a slightly longer barrel would be more useful for accuracy at greater ranges. Not sure I believe those markings are for 1800m with a 9mm pistol. Although until proven otherwise I will take Ian's word for it. He has much more experience, access to information and ability to research information than I do.

[@bennetwilson8122]

make optimistic sights on pistols great again

[@11Kralle]

"Vom Ursprung der Selbstladepistole" translates as "On the origin of the self-loading handgun(/pistol)"

[@williamjanak2013]

This was neat. Never had a chance to review calico liberty 1 tactical?

[@xqzme7654]

All these years and there's still sawdust in the holster, that's pretty cool

[@MrFlathead45]

That was probably wood scraped off the inside by that supersized front post... In other words... Ian just scratched the hell outta the inside of somebody's holster/stock... 😉

[@xqzme7654]

In retrospect that makes a lot more sense gotta love brain farts

[@cozmcwillie7897]

In a novel I read the guy had one and although it was 9mm it was not X19, parabellum I think it was 9mm X 25 Steyr.

[@robbiemer8178]

"S&H", maybe? Though I sure don't remember seeing one of these in my greenstamps catalogs... :) As silly as the extreme range sights are on this pistol, I still would enjoy watching someone shooting it at that range!

[@ZGryphon]

"Shipping and Handling" Allow four to six weeks for your volley fire to arrive.

[@randyrick8019]

have seen several Romanian M1912's that have a dovetail cut along the rear of the grip-frame similar to some other pistols for attaching a shoulder stock. I have not ever seen a shoulderstock mated to these pistols. I conjecture that this was done by Romania to fit an existing shoulderstock that was made for some other pistol.

[@sethrich5998]

1800m... with a pistol. I’m actually impressed the max range of the cartridge is that far.

[@jasondoe2596]

Dunno about that cartridge, but I'm convinced those same guys would put 1800m adjustable sights on a 2.7mm Kolibri!

[@moosemaimer]

Put tall enough sights and it'll shoot all the way to Paris!

[@borismuller86]

*tightens grip on shoulder stock* “I’m gonna kill Hitler.” *aims up in the air*

[@intelligentgrawlix794]

Accurate no

[@baker90338]

I believe here in the United States we have a wonderful quote for this sort of action. “Hold my beer”

[@jerryjohnsonii4181]

Very Cool handgun Ian

[@JenniferinIllinois]

Did Ian say Bergmanns? Measuring your sight picture with a protractor. LOL!!!!

[@johnnypopulus5521]

I am thinking of buying a Steyr Hahn & am more & more convinced I should. Am I a goof for EDC this gun, cuz I'm gonna once I have it in hand.

[@josephl2586]

THE ATF HATES HIM FOR THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK!

[@PAINFOOL13]

Absolutely enjoy your channel Thank You !

[@todesgeber]

that trials gun appears to have had the slide smoothed. check out the ejection port...

[@RaDeus87]

That front sight is basically a mini-bayonet 😯

[@barkebaat]

6:40 - stock looks like it's made of teak. Good choice.

[@williamwalker9315]

So early that there's no witty remarks from GoldenCaulk?

[@josiahgibson6373]

I haven't seen him in a while. Hopfully he hasn't gone the way of the Spef.

[@aurorawhorealis]

I miss spef

[@cameronjenkins6748]

If I saw those ludicrous rear sight markings, I would have guessed that they would be for tens of meters, not hundreds.

[@wedge259]

Whatever that pistol is in the center of the book cover looks like some kind of Victorian steam punk clockwork nightmare!

[@Omnihil777]

For some years I translated books & articles from english to german, would be kinda fun to translate that book into english - maybe I'd mail the publisher about that idea. Gonna research that book a bit.

[@jmalmsten]

I know the accuracy would be bad. But I'd love to see an inRange episode where something like this gun is put to the test of hitting anything at 1.8 Km... I'm guessing the idea was that if you saw a regiment of infantry marching that far off you could aim in the general direction and empty a couple of mags before advancing backwards the hell away. Hoping maybe a couple bullets hit someone or something of importance. Since you could only be somewhat sure of at least how far the bullet would travel. Basically treating it like a tiny artillery piece. I have far too little experience myself to do anything but speculate wildly. So seeing someone actually try it out would be interesting.

[@artfact2]

1.8km range 9mm indirect fire...Brilliant.

[@sambaggins2798]

How come you didn’t show the action or take down? Did I miss something? Love your channel!

[@ShootAUT]

I also thought that the numerals on the sights indicate 10m increments. Then he put them all the way up and... well, 9mm Lugers do not require such an extreme angle at 200m (around 220 yards). XD

[@AxisPeter]

Hahn stands for rooster in German. Most hammers, profile-wise, look vaguely like roosters. In French it's also called a rooster (un coq).

[@patrickhuber8630]

It also means Cock

[@patrickhuber8630]

Or even "tap" it has multiple meanings

[@8080256256]

Ian has the best pronunciation of "Österreich"

[@blueband8114]

That is one tincey tiny v notch. I personally prefer that stock fixing, seems a little more robust than just sliding into a notch at the rear of the grip.

[@karsonstreet6180]

Oh my gosh that cased pistol looks like it was bought yesterday.

[@whatTheFup]

Would love to see one of the full auto ones

[@phillgizmo8934]

The mounting solution chosen is rugged but can be firm. Still better to engineer the Stock Mount to the modern ergonomy standarts. I wonder a lot why the mountable shoulder stocks have not been developed in the times of hard hitting hunting revolvers, and with such integrated recocking assist by the left hand. Nowadays Modularity is well considered by the weapon devs.

[@PistolManiac100]

Pretty neat.

[@desroin]

I'd love seeing someone shooting this at 1800m just to see if the bullet will even end up there ^^

[@konnigkratz]

They made this the Repetierpistole M1912/P16 in BF1 - not sure why, apart from getting to add the different rear sight for a differing first-person view

[@Wanderingwalker-ke6mg]

Thomas Lawrie I was thinking the same thing, mainly as this was my go to support pistol 👍🏻

[@NJtheawesome]

I never liked the look of the M1911, but I love the look of that one.

[@MrSharpClaw]

"Vom Ursprung der Selbstladepistole." TL "Of the Origin of the self-loading-pistol."

[@ZGryphon]

"... by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favored Models in the Struggle for Military Contracts".

[@ionion3089]

I always click on the LIKE button at the beginning of the video. And i am never wrong.

[@md_gaming9671]

I'm from London and I love your vids be amazing if you could do a playlist of most used most hated and most liked weapons during the wars we have had in the world and a rundown on the guns. Their uses and traits and how soldiers felt about them and so on. I reckon that will make an amazing channel even better. Thanks for your time Ian.

[@tobin9575]

I'm a bit surprised that Hahn is referencing the Hammer. Hahn in German at least is Rooster which is similar to the action i suppose, pecking up corn or something. @Forgotten Weapons, I'm not sure if this is a coincidence? Or it is the name of the designer I suppose.

[@Beamos12]

Hey Ian could you see if you could find a Ruger Hawkeye single shot pistol to look at/shoot? I've always wanted to see one work but no one has video of it.

[@inkgolfoscar715]

This is pretty neat

[@ФилиппЛыков-д8е]

This one might have been made for some British or US trials, so that the rear sight could be in feet.

[@Lasenggo]

Hey Ian, I noticed that there is KZbin ads this time. Sure hope KZbin is allowing you to monetize.

[@johndallman2692]

Unique Steyr-Hahn? That's going to be the Fireplace Collection … yup.

[@drooodful]

Just a small correction . The german word "Hahn" means either rooster or faucet. The German word for hammer is funny enough just "Hammer" XD

[@Celebmacil]

Don't ask where the etymological connection between "rooster" and "faucet" comes from. It's probably best to leave some things unsaid.

[@JackManiacky]

Maybe then the pistol is called Hahn because the hammer resembles a rooster's spurs

[@Celebmacil]

@@JackManiacky Or maybe it's a "Hahn" because it is a bullet spout, spewing projectiles all over the place as fast as can be. That would be a more likely reference, I'd say, similar to kulsprutepistol.

[@g.bergervoet4505]

It is named Hahn because the shape looks like the neck and head of a rooster. Also when it strikes it looks like a bird pecking, like how a rooster pecks at the ground.

[@sthenzel]

Hahn is used in gun terminology here, at least in common gun talk, maybe not in official use.

[@YCCCm7]

Am I bad human for liking the idea of tangent sights on a pistol? Wouldn't be my pick for when I need it... But if we're talking at my leisure...

[@9559ns]

Austrian soldier: Hans vhy are jew shoosting der pistol in ze air? 2 kilometers away: Entate pig-dog takes 9mm of glorious German efficiency to ze head. Hans: Is marksmanship, ja!

[@chrismath149]

Dude, it's an Austrian weapon. Why do I bother, probably a troll anyway.

[@hjorturerlend]

Minimum range setting of 400m jfc... So, effectively a pistol without any sights.

[@isaiahcampbell488]

I want to see an Olympic and local level competition class of using pistols with elevated sights (possibly in conjunction with butt stocks (I know ATF; maybe for sport there could be a sporting ATF compliant system)) and compete for range. Essentially a long range competition but with pistols using elevated iron sights. There could also be an optics class. Just an idea of some competition I think would be neat. It would be so "dumb" and "backwards" to today's military doctorin I can't see it being perceived as anything but a sport.

[@dbmail545]

The aftermarket stocks for pistols seem to be coming back.

[@swietoslaw]

this pistol look cool

[@brandonbird5611]

4:16 are there any reproduction stocks?

[@John1911]

Hits pause and Googles Steyr-Hahn stock. 😎

[@Primarch359]

I kinda wish rotating barrel pistols were as common as browning types

[@twatts45]

Check out those suppressor height sights lol

[@johannesschimpfol5890]

Are you sure the sights are in meter, not in Schritt ( 1Schritt ~ 75cm ) like the ones of the Steyr M95?

[@akimlettner2984]

Some companies have to make up dated models as a loophole to high cap mag bans

[@McFlingleson]

Was that a stripper clip in the case? Does this not take detachable magazines?

[@kevinoliver3083]

No. Like the M1907 the M12 uses chargers.

[@TALLA300CforumZ]

it will get just fine you may not hit anything but it will get there. people where a lot smarter in the old day then to day

[@dreamingflurry2729]

Strange that a book from gun-hating Germany is a great source about the first self-loading pistols (note: I am German and most of my fellow Germans fear and hate guns...)...great vid, Ian :)

[@AndreasMarx]

Maybe because the book isn't from Germany? Mötz and Schuy are Austrians.

[@christianstahl4099]

I usually enjoy beging German anyway, but especially when it allows me to make use of books like this one. Bought it a few weeks ago (because both Ian and Othais recommended it) and am very impressed. So thank you for the hint!

[@scotthancock9592]

How did they figure out the sight markings? Mathematical computation?

[@aurorawhorealis]

Back then, math and trial and error, lots.

[@rautavaara9194]

Lovely day for a uniquorn pistol.

[@randywatson8347]

Omg the blueing.

[@r.m.cortez8178]

What is the name of that pistol on front on the book. The larger transparent one.

[@jameshealy4594]

Possible the initials on the stock are SH for Steyer-Hahn, rather than the name of an owner? I may be misreading the text but that's how it looks to me.

[@thkarape]

I think that steyr hahn wasn't the gun's factory designation. At least that's what I got from the C&Rsenal episode.

[@jameshealy4594]

Totally, I was imagining more like a collector with a bunch of holstered stocked pistols putting an identifying mark on each or something similar. I definitely don't think it's original.

[@erikv.smykal5578]

My first impression, as well, since "S"&"H" seemed too much of a coincidence to be owners initials. ah, well. a mystery. if Ian says 'not from factory' I'm going to have to defer to expertise. Still and all, if this is a 'special one-off' who's to say the woodworker who fit that special sight didn't add a flourish?

[@TheRogueWolf]

What even would be the velocity of a 9mm round at nearly two kilometers?

[@aurorawhorealis]

Little under 300 fps