Update on WWSD2020 (What Would Stoner Do) Project

[@calebdoner]

As a mechanical engineer who designs plastic parts for a living, I love this video. Everything he says about warping, shrinking, cooling rates, etc...is spot on.

[@sueme2813]

that doesnt prove anything. this is new and we dont know what performance will this rifle make.

[@centurionsfist417]

Let me summarize the video for you. Karl: so about stamping

[@jimyeats]

Russel: I want you all to know how hard this is and how complicated this is and why we are behind schedule. Gun Jesus for past 9 years: Do not ever get into the gun manufacturing business. Also Gun Jesus: So...we’re going to make and sell a gun.

[@levimcn112]

Karl: again very similar to the stamping process

[@vincentlok8894]

@@Tiny_Boats_And_Bikes Yes, exactly, the manufacturere is already in the gun business. Also, the design is 70 years old and well accepted they are just tweaking it.

[@theaugbog257]

Has far as I've seen in his blog posts is he says you can AS LONG as you know what you're actually getting into. Which might be a possible but a improbable carrier path and is not quite what some might think it is.

[@327Federal]

To be fair he has massive star power and marketing capability that nobody else has.

[@ben501st]

"Is your lower milled or forged?" "Ultrasonic welded."

[@alexanderm3504]

Carl= Colombain Drug lord Ian=Guy who flies the jets to Miami

[@newerest1]

lol exactly

[@brantleyhester6641]

Is Russell the guy taking them both into custody?

[@jho107]

@@brantleyhester6641 no he's the guy laundering the money

[@AGS363]

Do I watch Scarface or Cocaine Cowboys next? Guess it is the old coin flip again...

[@niklasaskham4208]

To

[@quattroconcept4]

Ian's shirt could be a fantastic camo pattern for the Navy.

[@ElTejon47901]

You mean it isn't?

[@MoarteaLunii]

@@samm1561 wow

[@sphinx2077]

I'll be sure to let them know

[@danielmaine45]

I wish it was...I bet it would be much cooler than some of the stuff we wear now!🤣🤣🤣

[@skibumb220]

10/10 that shirt would go well with the NWU Type 1 Trousers.

[@Jackson_CSGO]

Ian, please release your own line of Hawaiian shirts as a merch drop. Prints can include various French small arms, etc. Sincerely, everyone.

[@george2113]

There are too many artificial fiber Hawaiian shirts, need more in Cotton

[@giovannidetorres4373]

Karl loves stamping.

[@nobilismaximus]

He’s sooooooooooooooo German toy maker! Ja Fo shuare!

[@MitchellCH]

He loves innovative manufacturing processes.

[@nickrollstuhlfahrerson8659]

Who doesn’t?

[@george2113]

Inovating manufacturing is great except for the forever chemicals.

[@markfergerson2145]

This takes gun geekery to an entirely different level, and I'm loving it. Also, is it just in my head when Ian says "Shot Show" it comes out as "Chat Chau"?

[@PrototypeSpaceMonkey]

Is that some kind of contrarian french hot-dog? "Chat Chaud"? Or maybe a bullpup Chauchat?

[@sidremus]

14:50 "people who buy WWSD rifles are the upper tier of educated users" - now that's what I call marketing!

[@fishook96]

If you care enough to watch this whole video you're probably in that category

[@Alf763]

OnValkyrieWings are they selling it to the military? No? So who gives a shit if it’s a race gun or a combat rifle when it’s more an interesting and actually really cool intellectual exercise that people can purchase a piece of to experience something cool

[@dontfearthestinger]

​@@UMADBRO64 Imagine guns that are for anything but combat, right? What a fucking farce!

[@SatansRectum]

This is exciting stuff. I think that polymer is the most logical evolution in the AR platform. A durable lightweight build that doesn’t require the use of exotic materials is going to be a huge hit for the commercial market.

[@sueme2813]

stop licking them boots

[@WabbaJackel_54]

That's really cool saw this this morning on inrange but will watch again for Ian

[@Curtislow2]

Also Russel & Karl!

[@zachwoeller]

Curtis Lee lol no

[@pearson935]

Have my own wwsd concept rifle with a 350 legend upper with a 1-6 scopes on a single piece scope mount. Ruger 556 m16 style handguard. Its the lightest ar I have ever built. It is extremely reliable and durable. Have had to mortar a few cases out that I loaded too hot. Thank you all for this amazing lower.

[@george2113]

Interesting, what results/comments would you add now. How much power do you run now?

[@WalterBurton]

My son was showing me his new guns yesterday and we were talking about how the perception of plastic has changed so dramatically in my lifetime. For most of us in GenX+, the basic aesthetics of plastic used to send a strong signal, which was: "This is probably cheap, flimsy, crappy." Advances in material science have forced us to re-assess, re-organize. Carbon fiber helped us olds begin to change our priors not just because it was a truly tough material that shared that basic plastic aesthetic, but because (in the beginning, anyway), it also had a consistent SEPARATE aesthetic, with its texturing and trademark surface qualities. It used to be you'd hear the word "polymer" and just roll your eyes and think, "Yeah, plastic." Not so anymore. *EDIT: [Insert something about Glock] :-)

[@heretohear8662]

Glocks suck! Insert performed!

[@melocomanTV]

I’m did a mold flow simulation lab for my machining class last semester, it’s really neat and surprisingly streamlined

[@phitaujwalk]

I’m a plastic mold design engineer, and I would be interested in a video showing the part and mold design and the mold flow analysis. I wish I could work on a project as cool as this.

[@lairdcummings9092]

One of the long-term projects; been low key watching this series. Lots of fuel for thinking. I used to work with moulders; WAAAY more difficult than folks realize.

[@lairdcummings9092]

One-off moulds are one thing; series production is an entire new deal. Incredibly frustrating as you go through iteration after iteration, especially when someone wants a new feature added.

[@lairdcummings9092]

@menckencynic you're not wrong. Lots of "un-educated" gun inventors out there in history, but if you look into their background, you'll find huge levels of appropriate skills and training development. The skills just don't come easy; you have to earn them.

[@kevinschultz6091]

@@lairdcummings9092 - yeah, I think Ian mentioned in his "so you want to be a gun designer" videos, that firearm manufacturing is less about firearms and more about manufacturing. Thus, if you want to design guns for a living, it would behoove you to get educated on engineering and manufacturing processes, more than anything else. Sure, there's expertise involved in the specialty of firearms design; but the core is "how to build stuff", rather than "guns".

[@davidruppel1216]

Wow development is so complex working with the polymers very cool video, I learned so much. Thanks guys.

[@heyzoos-cgr9369]

I watched this earlier and STILL sat and watched this again! Love it guys from the U.K.

[@MANC2311]

"Oh man, I only ride them, I don't know what makes them work".

[@scrubsrc4084]

Its a beautiful machine

[@NoGufff]

I haven't seen Russel this excited before.

[@InrangeTv]

I turned on his emotion submodule briefly.

[@derekkt49]

For some reason, this video makes me want to watch the movie The 5th Element.

[@george2113]

Best drinking game for the 5th Element? It seems to me that carbon is the fifth element

[@ratchowmein]

Look out! That’s not Russell, that’s Dr. No ! ! Russell is really channeling the Dr. No vibe in this one.

[@jasonharvey7984]

Saving up to get this as my 1st AR! Can’t wait for it to come out

[@saintskillerdntfkwth]

@William Wallace biden won't get in, trust

[@randallsmith3986]

@William Wallace Biden has no chance at winning

[@sodiumhypochlorite2697]

@William Wallace Is your definition of "freedom" just the 2nd amendment or is it something else?

[@geraldhoskowicz5157]

@ Jason Harvey That's Too much at $1700.00 at Brownells! That's crazy buy a Complete lower $359 when available and pick your upper or the same one when it's available! No price yet on that upper. You'll save a ton building this and it's SUPER EASY! Maybe $800-$1000 saved. TONS of How To videos on KZbin! At that price $1700.00 ($1699.00 actually) you can get an AR and an AK and have change! Palmetto State Armory makes nice stuff and has nice stuff. Quality stuff check it out palmettostatearmory.com/

[@chocolatemagneto9679]

@William Wallace PSA is for the poors and QC is non-existent

[@Falconguygaming]

This video brought to you by Toolmakers, the ones who make literally everything.

[@EclecticBuddha]

I just want one of the machining KZbin channels to make a lathe with a lathe. It's been a saying forever that the lathe is the only machine that can make itself. Time for someone, or perhaps a collab of all the KZbin machinists, to prove it.

[@todorkolev7565]

@@EclecticBuddha I don't see how a lathe can make a lathe unless the tool stock is used as a table, which would be a role far exceeding what it is supposed to do on a lathe.

[@eoinkenny3188]

@@EclecticBuddha What they mean is it can make almost all the operating parts. Gears, pulleys, driveshafts, chucks, collets, screws, controls, etc. Making the frame, dovetails and other bits will likely require other processes. Casting, milling, etc. Though you can make a fair chunk of that with a lathe too.

[@-TheRealChris]

@@EclecticBuddha Be a lot easier to make a milling machine with a milling machine, also be easier to make a lathe with a mill, you can do pretty much anything a lathe can do with a mill as long as you have a rotary table and an index head with helical attachment but you will have a hell of a time making slide-ways [of which there are meany] with a lathe. Whoever said "The lathe is the only machine that can make itself" was defiantly not a machinist.

[@Falconguygaming]

@Michael Srite Okay fine, handmade arts and crafts aren't. Even then, the tools and supplies were.

[@thisguy253]

The discussion about the area of the selector lever made me think of how the L85A1 was designed by competent people that weren't gun people.

[@docsideways201]

I really enjoyed this video. As someone who works with injection molding machines on a daily basis I know exactly the process you have been through. I cant wait to see the finished product!

[@magecraft2]

So funny how something that looks so simple to the layman (moulding and filling the stock) is in fact a major skilled job done by many knowledgeable professionals :)

[@christosmavrommatis912]

And that's why engineers became engineers in the first place

[@RastaBananaJah]

I am so hyped for this

[@ledgaming6489]

Came for Ian stayed for Ian

[@B1rd0fpr3y]

I really enjoy engineering content like that

[@tedking6790]

I appreciate Karl repeating Russell like Ice-T on SVU

[@jameswood7349]

Fellas, print separate halves in separate facilities that can be shipped separately and then bolted or screwed together at home, it's only a lower when the buyer possesses both. Russell said the ATF classifies each separate half as an 80% lower, they are only a receiver upon simultaneous possession of both halves. the current mold is a good starting point for the bolt-together mold CAD model. Call it the WWDD Rifle: the What Would Dugan (Ashley) Do Rifle. Cheap unregistered guns for the working class! “That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.” ― George Orwell

[@dancollins4755]

We went deep down that rabbit hole didn't we.

[@w.w.9047]

Got mine pre-ordered on Brownells!

[@ferretface5149]

Pre pre delivery will be pre pre 2025

[@roflchopter11]

It's probably too late, but you should look at mold inserts. Could solve the 80% question, the various accessory positions, grips, mag wells, and maybe even variable length of pull. Can also address key tolerance issues like the various pin locations. Can even allow replacement of high wear areas of the mold without starting over. I worked for a medical devices company that did things like that.

[@vballwise]

I pre-ordered one of the stripped lowers last night, I’m so excited for this!

[@watchthe1369]

ATF and NRC are probably 2 major anchors to development of key technologies that could go far the advance civilization.

[@davisbwaddell]

Got my lower preordered in FDE. Then I'll slowly update my WWSD from 2017 to 2020

[@charlesadams1721]

What is envisioned for destructive testing for this lower? After all, there was unintentional 'Jeep testing' on the ancestor of this polymer lower (also shown on an older InRangeTV video).

[@Erik_MN]

Incredible work on this project. Want one as my first AR. I work in the heavy vehicle off road industry and design a lot of similar molded parts from reinforced nylon.

[@snstaicos]

Ian I love your normal content mainly for the different engineering aspects of what they did previously this was one of the coolest looks into modern-day Firearms I really loved it also I know it's not what you normally do but would love to see a video on your take on the new battle rifle possibly coming to the US and the 6-8 Mill cartridge it would be designed around

[@Jeffy2n]

Okay guys, I have had my upper awaiting the lower for two years now, I have per-ordered my complete lower.....can't wait!!!!

[@Steve_I]

Why are are you waiting so long on this specific lower?

[@george2113]

I hope you are as pleased with the lower as I was

[@hotrodhendrix1]

Think its time for an update video.

[@rjmaksym7692]

My dad’s designed stamps for Chrysler, and you have to take caution that a part is possible to make in a stamp, if it’s too complicated, like they said you can end up stuck, or in the case of stamping “Die Locked”

[@drmaudio]

It occurs to me that this lower is actually fantastically cheap. One you pay for a lower, receiver extension, stock, and grip, you have spent much more than this. I have mine on order.

[@hinneburmeister6879]

Damn... Russel is the badest of badasses i've seen... have you guys see him smile, once? I mean... I don't talk about a good old laugh either... god beware... just a little hint of a smile... never seen it in any video with him... shiver...

[@SinistralRifleman]

A normal emotional spectrum would make me less good at everything I do.

[@hinneburmeister6879]

SinistralRifleman ok, I guess 👍

[@Monkeyman12534]

I wanna see an animation of that plastic flowing through the mold

[@tommydeadwood]

Congratulations boys! The lower looks great, I’m sure they’re going to be a big hit!

[@ferretface5149]

Like the Hudson, the desert tech, the arx? I’m sure it will be a hit

[@stefanshumaker3273]

Thank you, my friends.

[@jerryjohnsonii4181]

Interesting !!!!!!!!!!!

[@Budisgud69]

Creating the perfect gun.

[@robertyouart3982]

Have you considered adding a mold max insert around the fire control section of the mold it would help the cycle time and possibly with any sink marks . That's a complex part to fill from one gate I guess that you will get a weld line in the trigger guard near the mag well but its hard to tell without a cross section but good luck with it .

[@abradley8221]

Good to see you Russel!

[@asterismastorocostas2615]

GREAT VIDEO! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

[@lohikarhu734]

Are you doing aluminum molds for the test runs, transition to steel for production? Any issues with expansion coefficient for Al versus Fe?? Looks like a pretty challenging project!

[@americanfreikorps7413]

KaRLeN

[@InrangeTv]

I’d like to speak to your manager.

[@larsschroter6994]

Props to Russell for being the only one that got a haircut for this important video!

[@SinistralRifleman]

I can’t stand more than 2 weeks worth of growth in Arizona. Too hot and sweaty.

[@douggolde7582]

Glass chews up your mold. Should have designed for carbon fiber fill.

[@benjaminphipps8325]

Hey Ian, I remember in your original WWSD project, you guys said that all polymer lowers were garbage except for the CAV arms one. I was wondering if you had tried the Tennessee Arms Co lower. It has brass inserts for the threaded parts. I know it’s more of a copy of an aluminum design, but I have two that seem more durable than necessary. They’re relatively cheap, so maybe you could give it a shot if you run out of new things (or old things) to review. Thanks for the update!

[@jondoh2226]

Can you do a video on the trigger group you are going to be using?

[@Sethicorn]

You mentioned that there hasn't been a lot to show recently... but I would LOVE to see the design and flow simulation process! That's as interesting to me as the final product!

[@bige689]

gonna use the lower with a brn 180

[@MrPazuzu1991]

My next Toy!

[@ClovisChitwood]

can't wait to pick one of these up

[@lawrencefrancis350]

Russel: I’m doing all this work and making sure this will work. Karl and Ian: so when will we be selling this? Russel: All this work is very long and tedious. Karl and Ian: soooo very soon?

[@Falconguygaming]

Who was the mold maker? I am in the industry(also making medical component molds). No shade, just curious

[@williamhardway6436]

Wow, this guy is really smart

[@todorkolev7565]

I am actually just researching the historical event of the IMR fiasco. I am wondering if your WWSD project will include designing a load for the 556nato, such that emulates Stoner's original ballistics features (as opposed to what the army did to the cartridge and barrel, widely accepted as the reason many GI's died due to inability to shoot their M16 in Vietnam)? For me, I haven't still found out if the updates to the original, unsuitable, cartridge resulted in the modern 556 being closer-to-wwsd and better or closer-to-wwARMYdo and better (I think it's safe to assume that 60 years of progress resulted in something better)

[@BlackBanna]

Waiting to see how production of first modle goes before putting cash down.

[@shawnr771]

Wait six months after. If there are any flaws they will manifest themselves by then. Never ever be the guinea pig.

[@netpackrat]

Depending on how things go in November you might miss your only chance.

[@Negi2468]

I can't watch the videos on the Brownell's site in Europe. Where else are they posted?

[@Ratzfourtyfour]

Dammit I misread it as What Would a Stoner Do and wondered where this channel is going.

[@PrototypeSpaceMonkey]

Pretty sure they've already covered that on this channel: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5-0q3l9mpasg80

[@TheMisleduser]

excited to see this rifle can do. cheers

[@andresmartinezramos7513]

Is this the same as the one on inrange?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Yes.

[@andresmartinezramos7513]

@@ForgottenWeapons ok, thanks

[@mr.pattyd9138]

Would've been GREAT had Karl & Ian swapped places, and then all three repeated the video verbatim...

[@-John-Doe-]

I'm wondering if mold design factors into how HK separated their magwell from their fire control group, or if that's simply a consequence of their prior designs.

[@loupiscanis9449]

Thank you , Guy's

[@27dcx]

I sort of followed your philosophy with a regular lower, i am very excited for these to become available so I can switch my upper out. I took the jp recoil spring assembly out because it seemed unnecessarily heavy, although I do really like the part and the idea behind it. I put it in a heavier rifle that I'm not concerned with weight on.

[@jonathantatler]

Actually it's beginning to sound like a powerfister drill body 😃😃😃

[@LoremIpsum1970]

Great vid! shame I'm in the UK. Disagree, with Ian, analysis, testing and mold design and development would make a good video. Especially failures and why fors. Look forward to an update on this.

[@HJDore]

You can always own a straight pull version provided you either have land to shoot on or a rifle club to shoot at, and your not a criminal.

[@LoremIpsum1970]

@@HJDore Thanks, I've seen them, though I think the law's chang(ed/ing) as it "looks like an assault rifle" and I think the company who makes them were stopping I MAY BE WRONG. Me? Not don't have a good enough backstop for an air rifle, my local cops are not pro-gun ownership, nearest full bore club is Bisley, over an hour away and it would take over a year's worth of attendance, vetting, and exams to get the licence, worst not in the 'gun set' so no easy way in. Be easier getting a Green Card!!!!!!!!! At least I'd be Free.

[@HJDore]

fun des the firearms that were moved to section five under the offensive weapons bill were the Mars and trigger release actions where you fire and pull the trigger a second to to release the action and chamber a second round, straight pull ar designs are still on section 1 alongside blaser r8 and browning murals.

[@LoremIpsum1970]

@@HJDoreOk, I was half wrong. Now, I just have to move somewhere more rural with a sympathetic plod. Always fancied Romney/Hythe area but club there isnt taking new members...

[@HJDore]

fun des if your finding the police force to be an issue with obtaining firearms licenses I’d say join basc (British association for shooting conservation) they will fight your corner, afterall the law is there for the police and the public.

[@michaelblacktree]

I may or may not have gotten this video and the InRange video confused with each other... LOL 😜

[@ferretface5149]

Title should have been "what desert tech promised to do" or "Hudson is the game changer"

[@MrSqu1nty]

Watching this makes me wonder if Ian is the firearm equivalent of Carl Sagan in some ways. I wonder what his "Billions..." would be?

[@shawnr771]

French lebel rifle rounds.

[@ferretface5149]

No They just copied an old design Be factual to yourself

[@george2113]

Unlike Carl Sagan I like the KE arms lower

[@randominternetguy]

That's it I'm buying rubber cement right now, and an 80% lower. Anyway, why are they friction welding it?

[@ripcut28]

Hollow internal features can't be produced any other way save for 3d printing. Friction welded glass filled nylon is much stronger than PLA or ABS.

[@lairdcummings9092]

Friction welding forms a solid, reliable join where there is no issue of adhesion, potential solvent or glue pockets, and it's cheaper & faster.

[@Rudofaux]

Ever tried to rip open those plastic shells that are welded? The one you need a sharp knife to open. That form of welding is incredibly strong for plastics & polymers.

[@stefanmolnapor910]

That's how you bond plastic/ pvc/ poly. Even with " glue" it's just a chemical bond/ weld.

[@Hansengineering]

Without doing it in halves, they could not make the magazine well, or FCG area, be cuboid in shape. That is, any injection molded plastic requires some "draft", or angle, to the planes contacting the molds, or it won't come out! Sinestral Rifleman mentions this. You cannot have a zero draft plane. Sooo the FCG area would have to be wider at the top than at the bottom, which would not allow any FCG to fit properly, and the magazine well would also need a taper, which would probably be fine in practice.

[@saltycadet5904]

I just put in my pre-order, so excited! Can't wait to fire the gun blessed by gun Jesus and his disciples!

[@ferretface5149]

My pre order is still pre order and maybe it would stay like that until shot show 2025

[@TheRealScaraban]

Ah fuck, I'm trapped in a time loop.

[@varcaic9170]

Watch the whole video and actually listen before commenting I’m seeing a lot of questions that are clearly answered in the video.

[@ferretface5149]

You believe them? Oh my god

[@lazor222]

You could say my AR is also a "What would a stoner do" build

[@ben501st]

I hear lots of guntubers complaining about lack of innovation in the firearms industry. Can't say I've seen many step up to fix that.

[@ftswarbill]

WWSD = Stoner would smoke a fatty and watch Sponge Bob Square Pants like most stoners.

[@skyflier8955]

I would love to get one, however college is expensive, maybe they will have an updated one when I can afford one.

[@george2113]

If money is tight, get a stripped lower/stock from Brownells

[@InvidiousIgnoramus]

Oh, I was confused for a moment. Didn't realize it got posted to both channels, haha.

[@vargr8435]

Russel really brings down my mood for some reason.

[@johnrhoades6214]

Hey guys I appreciate y'all still moving forward with this project I'm very interested I will be a customer eventually when you're ready so please keep us updated I would like to see those videos when available thank you gentlemen thank you for doing another good work also thank you for moving forward with the project that is scary and these particular times for some people other people like me either or normal it's not a problem thank you

[@danielvaldez2203]

Polymer injection is cool

[@RonM.]

Stoner Stones Stone because Stones Stone Stoner Stones Stone.

[@NemoKeine]

not sure if its been mentioned in earlier videos, but does the WWSD2020 lower use standard take down pins? and if not will they be provided with the lower and/or for sale on the side? (cross posted on IR and FW)

[@SinistralRifleman]

The detents are built into the pins. They are included with each lower and spares will be sold separately

[@NemoKeine]

@@SinistralRifleman thanks!

[@meangreen320]

Would stoner really want a rifle this light? Sounds like a drop or heating up the barrel during a fire fight will cause a mess of issues just to save 1-2lbs

[@24kachina]

Karl must have the fastest growing head and facial hair of any human on Earth. It whiplashes back and forth faster than imaginable

[@Texas_Red_01]

+1 I don't know which makes me laugh more: Ian making fun of Carl every time his hat falls off, while he's shooting a stage; or, once the hat is gone, Carl having to stop and take his hand off his gun to wipe the hair out of his eyes before he can go back to shooting, every time he moves during a stage! Hahahahahaha! :-)

[@RAAAAHHHwithlove]

Ian lookin like a Vice City character

[@kevinsullivan3448]

WHAT?! I can't just bond two halves with airplane glue?