[v4.3] A Deeper of the Archon's Ideals - and how the Archon Quests discusses them [Genshin Lore]

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[@ChillwithAster]

Hehe!! My little experiment for christmas was interesting (basically, i wanted to see if some people would trigger the "Look" automatically in their mind if you read Deeper. Kind of like the reverse "The the") Happy holidays !! I posted this 30 mins before christmas here in the Philippines 😅😅

[@FruitJuice1009]

Real (merry Christmas)

[@WAILLINGFLOWER]

so the title is intentionally "A deeper of the archons' ideals"? not "A deeper look of", but just "A deeper"?

[@Kairi-ou]

…….damn. You got me.

[@Kairi-ou]

Is the repeated line at around 11:10meant to be there too then? XD

[@maiafay]

lol I did. I filled in that gap with look. I was like…maybe she was sleepy when writing that title.

[@sleaghrim]

"Freedom, if demanded of you by an archon, is really no freedom at all." This voiceline hits different.

[@GuyWithAnAmazingHat]

This line actually reminds me of Eren saying he's a slave to freedom. At the end of Honkai 3rd part 1, the story turned towards the idea of preserving "civilisation"; This idea of civilisation is discussed in many aspects, I want to talk specifically about a question asked by the final boss. The final boss asked a question that lasted over a year until he answered in his own opinion, "Why do birds fly?". Some people think birds fly because they like freedom, some think because they have a dream to fly, some think they fly because they can, all these answers assume the birds have the choice and desire to fly. The final boss says, no, birds fly because they have to, if they don't fly, they will die. They evolved wings so that they can escape predators, not because they have the desire to fly, it's because they have the desire to survive. This is the question he asks about civilisation, to survive civilisation will have to learn to fly, and to make civilisation fly he became the necessary evil to force the world to grow and advance enough to overcome him, if they can't the world will literally go extinct. I personally believe this is what Celestia is doing to Teyvat, they are forcing the people in Teyvat to have bigger dreams, to grow their civilisations so powerful that they can challenge Celestia. And Celestia will welcome the challenge with full force everytime, but if they can't defeat Celestia, the civilisation will get destroyed, and another Samsara takes over, learning from the ruins and failures of the previous civilisations to try to take on Celestia again until one finally finds the power to go beyond the firmament.

[@donkey_mediocre7246]

Who said that?

[@deta3927]

@@donkey_mediocre7246 Venti himself did, if I remember correctly.

[@renapundarika2135]

@@donkey_mediocre7246 venti himself. Dainsleif asked that in the travail trailer video. Venti answered by saying this in the end of mond's AQ. It's a nice touch, imo.

[@rokamayono8590]

That line is what really cemented my love for Venti as a character. It’s stuck with me ever since and I wish I could find it in the in-game archives.

[@ultima1594]

I think the counterpart of Justice would be self-righteousness. The entire Fontaine archon quest is about people playing god, figuratively (like Vacher) or literally (like Furina), or both (like Egeria and Celestia). It tackles the idea of what justice means for different people, and how believing you are just can lead to unfairly forcing your beliefs onto others. Everyone in the Archon quest believes they are doing the right thing, which is the main source of conflict. And Celestia creating the prophecy because they believe they are the only ones worthy of creating life.

[@user-sb3zb3tk1y]

But aren’t Egeria and celestia truly divine unlike Furina and Vacher?

[@Xhosant]

@@user-sb3zb3tk1y I mean, are they? Vacher could offer joy, misery and pain in equal measure. But only by tapping into a power greater than himself. Furina was praised as the goddess of a nation and an ideal, but only because she was assigned that job by the real heritor of that role. Egeria created life and presided over Hydro and Justice, but only because she could tap into the primordial sea, like Vacher, and was assigned her position by the real holders of that authority, Celestia, much like both of the above. And Celestia, well, they can do the same, they have the power to delegate, and they have it themselves... because they stole it. So, if you're looking for an absolute god here, there isn't one. And if not, then why not Vacher? How many people's lives does one have to shape, make, ruin, to be qualified as a god? He was probably more powerful than Furina, in a direct fight, and his influence was as absolute, in a much smaller circle. So, how is he not a god, if Furina is? And how is Furina not a god, if Egeria or Focalors is? She was given a tiny slice of her superiors' power, much like them, and ruled with it, much like them. So, in the end - is 'capable of taking the power' the line between mortal and god? Besides the arbitrary line of scope or magnitude, the only stake Celestia has to that title is being the ones who stole the power from the Dragons.

[@anname7373]

Ohhh I like this one

[@yukishiro3287]

Like with Neuvillette too who seeks to judge all gods. It is even more so the case when we play the Roses and Musket event. Véronique and Baptiste's revenge against their father, Morris, by scaring him and killing him, was their form of justice to amend for their mother's death. Meanwhile, Chevreuse has a different idea of justice too, seeing as she spared Morris, even going as far as blocking Véronique's bullet, even knowing Morris's crime. Chevreuse then said that justice and rules should be put side by side. The principle of an eye for an eye can only cause chaos. It's also similar to what happened in one of the cases in Tears of Themis, where Rosa though can empathize with the culpirt of that murder case, she would think that it's even more obligatory for her to give justice to everyone, and why Artem himself said that that's why lawyers exist, as they can serve better punishment then soil one's spirit by enacting it by themself

[@racosen3204]

​@@user-sb3zb3tk1y THIS. I couldn't think of the word but I agree with this!! Plus, it kinds fits the theme I would say of the Hydro visions, since it feels like, all characters who have a hydro vision pursue their own form of justice

[@Truck-kun11]

I'm curious what the exploration of the ideas of the Goddess of War will be like. Of all the Archons she is the only one with a negative ideal, while all the others are something positive or neutral: - Freedom - Contracts - Eternity - Wisdom - Justice - Love

[@hermdude]

One could say that "war" is associated with "struggle", towards a pursuit of some kind. A war against apathy, a war against laziness, a war against oneself to uphold discipline. Of course it looks weird if you're just looking it in an English/Western context, and you could say it's a transliteration issue. Same with the word "jihad" to mean "holy war" in most contexts, but it could be used to replace "struggle", the struggle to better oneself, etc.

[@smcmaison7845]

War is not entirely negative. War is synonymous to conflict and destruction. For in order to create, you should destroy. For in order to change, there should be conflict. War is an attempt to challenge your ideals against others. War is an attempt to achieve peace with your ideals. War is a field of challenge, and challenge is a breeding ground of growth. And in war, the victor rejoice, and the loser must turn to ash. War exist in our every day, in different scales, in different words. War is a form of communication, and a resistance to stagnation. Without war, there is no peace. But seriously, i do not promote war. Its just the ideal of war in this case, is different from our own perception of war.

[@Ominouspopsicle]

I remember watching a video of Aster’s a while ago, and I liked her conclusion that ‘war’ doesn’t necessarily mean destruction, but more so what you’re willing to fight for

[@jozeph2932]

Diplomacy and Conquest maybe

[@Sakuzygy]

I assume it's going to relate back to the phoenix imagery that travail established, so perhaps something to do with an unrelenting pursuit towards a goal? What I am sure of is that whatever it is, it's going to explain why we've never seen a single NPC from Natlan.

[@georgelooney8949]

My biggest complaint with genshin impact, and there aren't many, is that we can't replay story and archon quests.

[@madalazuardy8881]

It would explode the storage size though

[@confusedfrog294]

I would redo Baizhu’s story quest thousands of times if I could

[@praveenhans8074]

​@@madalazuardy8881 how ???

[@hugofloresloredo598]

you can but just the voices and the lines in archives

[@KalaGames347]

​@hugofloresloredo598 in my opinion, that's not good enough. It literally makes no sense why their most popular game doesn't have Replay functionality like their favorite child: Impact 3rd. Also, I don't know if Star Rail has this function but if it does, there isn't any real reason for why we don't have replay of story quest content. Do they not understand how important it is for a player to re-experience those amazing moments? That's the best part when playing your favorite game.

[@hayakawaken9493]

The way I see it, the juxtaposition of justice is kindness. Even if the fate for Furina is unjustified, she still persevered because of her innate kindness. And though Neuvilette had every rightful reason to wreak havoc with his power, he still chose to save Fontaine, an act of kindness. I think it's why Hoyoverse chose Shakespeare's Tempest in the text inttroduction for 4.2 PV. In the play, Prospero, the protagonist, is presented with a similar dilemma, whether to enact rightful revenge on people who wronged him or to forgive them and be the better person. Ultimately, he chooses to forgive, and a happy farcical ending ensues.

[@berryapple1766]

I like your reasoning, although I feel like kindness doesn't encompass it all. I think Humanity fits the situation better. In a way, it's emotions of humans versus a set of rigid logical rules of justice. Oftentimes, no matter how many rules exist in a government, individual cases require different approaches based on the reason for the crime. That's why we have human judges, not machines devoted solely to judgment based on a set number of rules. Of course, human courts have issues, too, but it is better than judging indiscriminately. So, like, Humanity vs societal Justice, I guess.

[@hayakawaken9493]

@@berryapple1766 Yeah, that works as well. I considered going with humanity as the juxtaposition, but I went for kindness because it feels more primal, like a "knowledge without rationalizing", which fits the Gnosticism theme more imo.

[@zee1010]

@@hayakawaken9493 I think ultimately kindness, humanity, or empathy can all be boiled down to love. Love is what's at the core of them; it's the source out of which kindness, humanity and empathy are born.

[@amouramarie]

This fits well! It fits Egeria as well. She broke Celestia's laws, and Celestia had the right to give the sentence. But it was a sentence without compassion. I think this is juxtaposed very well with Neuvillette's grand scene stopping the Primordial Sea. He asks forgiveness for overruling Celestia's judgement, not because he likes or approves of Celestia, but because they, by the letter of the law, did have the RIGHT to hand down that sentence. His overruling of another judge's lawful sentence was purely an act of compassion. And it showed that despite being passionate about the law and justice, he recognizes the need for justice to be tempered with compassion for the judged.

[@earthbit.]

For me, Fontaine seems to be exploring the idea of “Justice vs Punishment.” They are very much not the same thing, though many believe that they are, and there are times when the just thing to do is to be merciful. Celestia is assuming the role of the punishers, condemning anyone who stands against their way, particularly Egeria when she created the Fontainians against the will of the divine. And the prophecy promises a similar punishment for Fontaine as a whole, which would have been carried out if not for Focalors taking that punishment herself. Celestia deals in absolutes: step out of line, and you will be punished, no discussion. Meanwhile, we have Neuvillette acting as the ideal vision of true justice. Despite whatever the letter of the law says, if he believes the law is doing an i injustice, he will pursue alternatives, such as when Childe was sentenced and he promised to investigate what he believed to be an unjust ruling. Furthermore, he took a stand directly against the will of Celestia and absolved Fontaine of its guilt, bringing the prophesied punishment to an end with minimal casualties. Mercy, not penalty. Make no mistake, if you are guilty, he will pursue Justice against you. But his Justice is not vengeful. This theme seems even more apparent with the Fontanalia event. I won’t spoil it for anyone who hasn’t started it yet, but there are some very clear parallels going on here that tie into the theme of Justice vs Vengeance.

[@1313fina]

Chevreuse has a line in the new event story quest that I really like and I think it does an excellent job of encapsulating the two sides of justice; the justice of the courts and individual justice. I won't spoil it for anyone who hasn't yet done the quest, but it was *chef's kiss*

[@Elinvar396]

I also love that part.

[@memesextreme4937]

Fontaine somewhat demonstrated the point that justice isn’t just some spectacle, that it’s serious. It also demonstrates that the act of bringing people to justice is grey & convoluted, the people’s negative opinion of furina not doing anything is understandable regardless of context but furina’s secret convolutes the matter. As she had been searching endlessly for a way to prevent it while putting on a masquerade, of which was required to save Fontaine

[@davidjohnson8273]

Zhongli's concept of a contract is significantly different from a modern approach. It's not clear it even involves consent by both parties. Neither does the contract end when both parties abandon it. Zhongli's concept seems mostly about duty. For example he talks about Visions as a sort of contract even though, so far as we know, the allogene never consents to getting a Vision. We can see this with Ningguang who didn't want a Vision because it was an immediate financial loss. To be sure most people are happy to get a Vision but even on that point we see René telling his cult members how to avoid "accidentally" getting a Vision (by avoiding earthly ambitions), and we see that guy in the Kamisato tea shop saying he prefers life without a Vision. It doesn't seem as if there is consent in this contract. In the story of Havria we get some insight into contracts by Zhongli. The competing "archeologists" make a contract to share discovered valuable artifacts 50-50. When the first breaks the contract Zhongli himself feels compelled to punish him. But even more oddly he holds the second archeologist to the contract of only getting every other artifact even after the first has been kicked out of the party. And it's not as if he's holding on to the other half of the loot to hand it over to the archeologist who left. In the end Zhongli grabs both artifacts for himself. So his contract doesn't seem to be about property rights for the individuals who made the contract at all. Rather it's a set of duties to god (Zhongli himself) which must be respected and carried out regardless of the other person in the contract. That Zhongli is a partner in all contracts promising punishment for breach. Nor do these contracts ever end simply by the contractors wanting it to. So it feels like Zhongli's contracts are duties to Zhongli personally to behave in a certain orderly and respectful way. It also feels as if on Zhongli's death these contracts are all voided. When Cloud Retainer (who has a contract to defend Liyue) hears of Zhongli's (fake) death she determines to descend on Liyue Harbor and destroy the city. This seems a contradiction of her contract to me but perhaps she thinks it's OK because Zhongli's death voids the contract? If so the contract to end all contracts would mean the death of Zhongli, since that is the only way to end a (let alone all) contracts.

[@amouramarie]

Oh, wow. I never thought of "the contract to end all contracts" being the contract that something must be upheld until "Rex Lapis" dies. HMMM.

[@Shush7717]

I think death in this case refers to the destruction of the geo archons seat and not necessarily zhongli himself.

[@amjadm7730]

Nah he still requires consent to create contracts. We see it in his 1st story quest

[@Azure_Aether]

For me the major theme of Fontaine has been Justice and Deception. Right out of the gate we meet Lyney who is a magician. The magic that Lyney performs is done through intentionally misguiding the audience. Get them to look at one thing while concealing another. This plays into his duality as a member of the House of the Hearth. Over the course of understanding Lyney's character we see that duality in motion. How much of him is genuine and how much of him is just an act of misdirection? Thats part of why his story quest pits him against another magician under the guise of a theif. The magician vs thief dynamic is common because both use misdirection to achieve their goals. They are very similar in that regard. Focalor and Furina also plays into this theme whole heartedly as Furina must put on an act to conceal Focalor's true intentions from Celestia. It is once again an act of deception. Should Furina fail in this act then the entire "audience" would be in on the magic. So for me Fontaine has always asked "How valuable is it to seek the truth for justice?" or inversely "Is it ok to lie for the greater good?".

[@comotastu]

the opposite of justice (giving someone what they deserve, or paying what they owe) would be injustice (giving to the undeserving or taking from those who have just because you dont have), but after neuvillette's attitude after regaining his powers ater the archon quest towards the other archons, one could say that VENGEANCE could be the opposite of justice, giving or taking unto/from other because you feel you have been wronged regardless of motive or circunstance (eye for an eye mentality)

[@nobblkpraetorian5623]

The new event story also has the justice vs vengeance theme. Can one seek both justice and vengeance at the same time, or are they both mutually exclusive?

[@_dragonflies_]

Neuvillette's not really vengeful towards the Archons though. He wants to judge them for their misconduct as Usurpers who use the power which is not rightfully tbeirs. He never says that he wishes for them to suffer as a result of his judgement. He just wants to hear the reasoning behind their "crime" and judge them in accordance. He even clarified that any physical confrontation is not the goal of said judgement. So I think it is safe to say that what he seeks with them is justice rather then vengeance, even if he personally dislikes them (for now at least). Now, towards the Heavenly Principles on the other hand... That's definitely Vengeance

[@rui4770]

I think it would be empathy cause we see that the punishment for egeria was using the primordial sea water because she felt empathy toward her familiars wishes but did not ponder on the reason for it being forbidden by celestia. Her successor , focalor, wanted to save her brethren and furina felt worry and concern for what was to come for the citizens of fontaine. We see the repercussions of egeria's "crime"(the original sin) when the origins of serial disappearance case was revealed. on a different note I know people give aether a lot of sass cause of how they treated furina in her story quest was not ideal but we have to remember that her "introduction" wasn't the best. She tried to put us in jail, ask for a duel, not prepare precautions for those effected by earlier stages of the prophesy and tried to prosecute someone and not doing any investigation, supposedly. To her credit she was under a lot of pressure .

[@maiafay]

People also forget Traveler has their perspective only. They don’t see Furina’s pov like we, the viewer, did eventually. And she wasn’t the smartest challenging the Traveler after all that went down in Inazuma. I’m sure it was reported the Traveler went head to head with Raiden Shogun.

[@ambieee]

Your comment has me thinking, did furina provoke the traveler so that they would be indirectly involved? Maybe it wasn't intentional but could her declaring that she and the traveler would duel be a way of her unknowningly asking for help beyond the god's gaze?

[@rui4770]

@@ambieee I don't think so cause to me atleast focalor's plan was bs and relied on her people daring to actually bring furina to court and commit die, but furina as we can see is really not in the know of the actual plan cause that would alert the heaven U know

[@TheGoldenAlchemist86]

I think the inverse of Fontaine’s Justice is that they’re bias and at times prejudicial against those that shake the facade of entertainment/peace. It’s a performance and they hate when the pawns don’t play their part

[@danaandr306]

Mond discussion was really good!! I really like the take of freedom being on the edge of abandoned. Freedom doesn't mean the lack of guidance and protection Ty for this very intriguing analysis! Can't wait for the counterpart of love

[@davidjohnson8273]

You might want to consider the Aristocracy. Venti ends up allowing, or so it seems, the establishment of slavery in Mondstadt for many years, at least by his absence. But arguably he works against it as soon as he finds out. It's not clear how his sleeping works as to whether it is abandonment or whether it is a watchful sleep somehow. It would be a big coincidence if he keeps waking up at more or less the right time each time, to come and rescue Mondstadt. And yet if he is monitoring things somehow, then he leaves the Aristocracy at the very least for several years. Is this part of Freedom? If so the freedom to screw up badly has it's limits in Venti's mind and he intervenes although even when he does so he refuses to simply overpower the Lawrence clan, but instead works through Vannessa and others and prefers a solution like forging a secret pact with Liyue to incite rebellion to a straight forward use of violent godly power. I've compared what Ei's approach was favourably for her in this case because she gets a lot of criticism from players for "allowing" a civil war to break out, or "allowing" the Fatui to get influence in Inazuma (they also have it in Mondstadt unchecked by Venti) whereas Venti is never criticized for putting up with slavery for more years than Ei put up with a civil war.

[@yukishiro3287]

I don't think he would be surveilling anything in his sleeping state. If he truly knows what is happening, then he wouldn't have thought it strange that during the ludi harpastum event would have so much change, with it only reduced to the climax where the Lawrence heir would be the only one to take the ball lest you'd be tortured, and "allows" the Lawrence heir ti take home the maiden who threw the ball at the climax. In the manga at least, he seems to be unaware of anything until he witnesses everything himself. He doesn't seem to be aware of anything then

[@davidjohnson8273]

A good example of how Venti is considered better for doing worse. Falling asleep on the job isn't an excuse - it makes things worse. @@yukishiro3287

[@thestrigshow]

Personally, I think the "opposite of justice" in this case is justice itself, in a way. I think Fontaine's conflict is more about a black-and-white application of the law (which is itself part of the "glamourization" you mentioned) vs a more humane one (Neuvilette's entire arc being about understanding humans, Furina's sacrifice resulting in deaths, but also being the primary reason anyone in Fontaine is even alive right now, the Spina basically being good guys and helping others despite essentially being a mafia family, etc). It can also be viewed as tied to the whole concept of fate - as in, a balance between bad and good events that happen. Take Wriothesley and Vautrin's crimes and trials - it's easy to argue that they were just dealt an unfair hand from the start and thus shouldn't have been punished, especially the Duke, but one can't deny that life for the other convicts of Meropide would be a lot worse without them there. In essence, everything is muddied, and it's hard to completely dissociate the good from the bad (or vice versa). Because in the end, even if your justice is infallible, humans are not.

[@ziyuan1989]

Same thoughts, I noticed just how many non black-and-white situations there are in Fountaine (most obviously Wrio), the Knave with the House of the Hearth is also, the Fatui is potrayed as villians for a long time, even though the Knave had tried to assassinate Furina once, and her mian purpose in the quest is getting the Hydro Gnosis, but you can't deny she and the Fatui does helped in the situation. Meanwhile, Childe who is also a Fatui Harbinger, also contributed a lot from the aspect of slowing down the whale's action

[@SleepingLore]

I believe that the two ideals in Fontaine are, Personal Justice and True Justice. Personal Justice is doing what one believes to be just. True Justice, on the other hand, is strict following of the law, or in this case, the Heavenly Principles. Focalor and always made sure to adhere to the rules set put the Heavenly Principles, while simultaneously trying to save her own people. Personal Justice never comes without sacrifice, which in this case, Focalor sacrifices her own life for her own justice.

[@Mar-lf3ni]

I think the opposite of justice in Fontaine is actually jurisdiction itself. Both focalors and neuvillette play strictly and follow the rules for most of the story, but the Archon quest shows through navia and house of the hearth that "rules are made to be broken" Sometimes rules are too strict, and it's only when you break the laws for the sake of human decency and empathy that one can achieve true justice. This is also reflected in neuvillette character, as he strives to better comprehend human emotions before issuing a verdict, by considering also the human side and not acting automatically to the laws as a machine ( that is exactly what the oratrice was, a machine that strictly followed the laws) And focalors as well, she was supposed to follow and respect the laws that Celestia bestowed upon her but at the end she decides to break the rules for the sake of true justice by giving back the dragon's authority

[@yukishiro3287]

However, there is also the issue with personal justice as one's personal sense of justice can conflict with other things, just like in the Roses and Muskets event where both Véronique and Baptiste want revenge against Morris as their justice for what he did to Elise, though killing isn't always justified

[@Arcanewhim]

Justice vs law. Laws can enforce or enable injustice. Just because something is a rule doesn’t mean it is fair. And even if somebody is technically guilty of breaking a rule, is the punishment demanded by law actually just?

[@hiims]

this discussion is somehow very philosophical. great approach Aster ❤

[@ragingphoenix6196]

I think the counterpart to justice should be law. Cold and rigged rules judged Egeria to be wrong for fulfilling the wishes of her people, dooming the entirety of fontaine. But it is the kindness and love that focalors and neuvillette have for fontaine that not only breaks the prophecy but also makes fontainians truly human.

[@shadeblackwolf1508]

I'm looking around, and seeing a lot of influence of Venti across the nations. Saving Xiao, for example. I think he journeyed the world to advocate for people's freedom. In a quiet, hidden fashion.

[@louloudaki_]

11:20 especially if you’ve done the leroy world quest line you get from euphrasie and the current event story, i’d say it’s definitely justice vs vindication. they’ve been hammering in that theme imo

[@skybi8485]

What if Inazuma Archon Quest is a smaller version of what Celestia is doing to the whole Teyvat?

[@GuyWithAnAmazingHat]

No, what Celestia is doing is what all 7 Archons have been doing, that's why the Archons exist, to fulfill a certain objective for Celestia, what that objective is, is up to speculation but it's not for selfish evil reasons.

[@tharxis3803]

I believe the Fontaine AQ juxtaposes Justice and Sacrifice. Throughout the entire quest Furina sacrifices her sanity to deceive everyone, while her divine counterpart sacrifices herself entirely, to enact justice upon her people. Even the very gameplay of characters such as Furina, Neuvilette, Wriothesley, and Lyney portray sacrifice for the greater good.

[@jamesnishimura5623]

Random thought but every AQ and their subsequent AQ Mondstadt AQ - Liyue AQ and Inazuma AQ - Sumeru AQ. They are counterparts of each other. From a God who has abandoned their nation then silently protecting it to a God who has ruled over their nation for years then faked his death for the nation to rule themselves. From a God who has hurt their people and went against the ideals of their ancestor to a God who was hurt BY their people and strived to become as great as her ancestor and their ideals. I'm excited for Natlan's AQ since it would be Fontaine's counterpart.

[@firby7341]

after years of playing genshin i just now realized: with freezing his feet to the ground, la signora took ventis freedom of movement =O

[@TheDrow79]

For me the dark mirror of Justice is Vengeance. Both come from the desire to see evil punished but have different methods of doing so. Vengeance is all encompassing and doesn't care about the circumstances of the perpetrators, the methods to get punishment or how many innocents get involved. Justice purposefully holds itself back, keeps to a code or law, be it a personal moral code or state law. It does this for the sake of the victim, the perpetrators and most importantly for the public.

[@persephone_8949]

Aster I love you so much, your videos help me keep up with the game lore sooo much. Its so fun to play your videos while playing. Ilyyy :D ❤

[@ASTERIA_YT]

We ❤️ Xmas eve uploads

[@Space-lxy]

Merry Christmas ❤️

[@Rokaria]

while i dont think this is necessarily the adjacent motif for fontaine, there is a very prominent focus on Deception in the archon quests and even world quests. Is justice earned through deceptive measures really 'just'? We see deception throughout the main fontaine storyline, with Furina decieving the heavenly principles, lyney/lynette tricking the traveller (more like hiding their true identities), and the general air of mystery surrounding the events that take place. The characters in the story lie and omit information in order to obtain justice, and are seen to be heavily criticized by the society around them after justice is served. For example, the people of fontaine still believe furina to be a lazy god, who did nothing to solve the crisis. We've even been seeing Paimon and the Traveller share their negative views on Furina's inaction. The Traveller gets angry at Lyney/Lynette for not telling them that they are Fatuus, and criticize the twins for deceiving everyone. Neuvillette even criticizes Furina for her deception and inability to share the truth of the situation. Is there a "right" way to enact justice, and is deception just?

[@Sakuzygy]

I think the opposite of justice, at least in the narrative framing that Fontaine's arc was striving for, was meant to be self-righteousness, condemnation, or something of the like. I can't find a good word to encompass this feeling, but the way I understand it is akin to Dain's quote: A god who seeks to judge all other gods, or in other words, a justice that does not hold any other as higher nor lower than itself, and thus does not hold itself higher or lower than any other. The opposite is a justice that holds itself higher than all others, including the divine, and tries to enact that justice upon those it deems lower. (You could also go lower, a justice that relinquishes to those it deems higher than itself, but then that probably wouldn't be justice and probably isn't the intended takeaway) For example, the archon quest pits Focalors against Celestia. Both are seeking justice for Egeria's sin in their own ways, and in some interpretations trying to protect Teyvat in their own ways too, but most will recognize Focalors' path as not only impressive, clever, and ballsy, but kind of humble? She's not doing this because she's "Focalors, god of justice, whose divinity necessitates only the utmost of justice for her people", or because she feels super guilty about Egeria's sin, her absence, or what she put Furina through, or because she believes she is upholding "true justice" unlike Celestia's "false justice". it's just because it's the right thing to do, and probably the only way to do it no matter how she feels about it. Egeria was the one who did something wrong and thus should be the one punished for it, yet Celestia believes that the crime itself must pay the price and does not care how innocent other parties involved are. It's evident in other quests as well, I would go into it but I make way too many essay-length youtube comments. Just observe the major Fontaine quests from the perspective of "someone imposing their justice unto others (this can be vengeance, anger, doomsday planning, coercing them into a play, etc)" vs "someone else who stands/acts against it, not for any great purpose or calling, but because it is the right thing to do (it can be an NPC or the traveler)". (The confirmation bias will give you truesight! /j) It's a possible pattern for Elemental = Trait theories too, I credit u/Vani_the_squid on reddit for this and highly encourage reading up on their other Genshin insights. They call it "hydro is purity", and to my understanding it's literal purity like "in this here vial is 100% water, not a trace of salt to be found!" purity but for ideals instead of a goodness type of context. Early hydro characters had ideals they operated under, never relented on, and kinda based their lives/decision-making/thinking process around. I've noticed it in NeuviFuri but haven't paid enough attention to anyone released between Childe and NeuviFuri enough to determine whether or not it's a legit pattern.

[@pt8170]

I feel like for Fontaine it’s all about the idea of justice in comparison to ignorance

[@MysteryWgF_show]

To me the fontaine archon quest could be judgement vs punishment

[@redash873]

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[@calebpillai4774]

7 nations, 7 archons, 7 deadly sins. I think that would be a cool video

[@creativemind2942]

There is one video for Archon's and the seven virtues

[@NamiiWavee]

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[@EmperorMist]

first we getting ashikai video and next one aster video lets goooooooooooo

[@oddityurie3435]

slightly a bit unrelated but let me ask all of you this, *If a mere mortal can become a god then are they truly a god?* When you think about it technically speaking each of the Archons that we know of at least right now are technically just elemental beings that just happen to be raised to the level of god after probably fullfilling some arbitrary guidelines set by Celestia or whatever was running that war

[@BenW0lf]

for me fontaine was about order and fairness... to uphold the order of justice it is not always fair but fairness is always just... this is the true meaning of the justice shown in fontaine for me. bc the way focalors was treated was not fair but it was meant to uphold order. but focalors returning the gnosis and saving everyone through neuvillette was fair and just not that she offered herself I meant in the way that the people had a right to live even if they dont. she defied the order and brought fairness for everyone but died in the process her justice was fairness over order

[@peterparker1262]

Personal justice vs Justice from law and order this is explored in lynney and lynette's back story neuvi's, wrio's story quest and even the 4.3 event with chevy and to some degree even with vacher.

[@yundorphin]

I think justice v self-righteousness is definitely a key theme in Fontaine. Even from the beginning with the first trial (Furina challenging both Traveler and Lyney to establish her own sense of authority), to the key trial of Vacher (who felt justified to murder dozens to satisfy his own feelings of grief and self-pity), I think this theme was established. By the end of Act V, Focalors compares her sense of justice to Egeria's and Neuvillette's, implying that what is just is not defined as all encompassing, but an individual belief.

[@motemo8413]

opposite of justice i think would be something like being non-empathetic. Treating trials like an opera is treating lives of those people as if it's just a story you are reading, cold laws are the tools and drama is the main interest. it's the most unfeeling and unsympathetic way of handling trials - you know the process in which it's very important to take in to account the feelings and morals of the people and yet the people treat it as drama,"Archon" treats it as drama, Iudex gives out cold laws and at the end the final judgement is given to you by a machine....this paints a good picture of how this is. spoilers for 4.2 of course this all makes because the people are Oceanids who love the human lives and drama, the Archon is shaped by their perception who is also awaiting the trial that saves the nation, the Iudex is the dragon sovereign who is still learning to understand humans and the machine is a god who is farming for energy to save everyone. everything in this picture has a reason for being that way. Focalors,Furina and Neuvillette being 3 different ways to show justice...but justice is sadly not absolute, it will always have gaps and negativity born from it, there's no helping that. i mean one of the main points of Neuvillette's journey was to become more human and feeling which he did. there's no machine or dramatic actress archon there either so that's better, don't know if anything can change nature of Fontanians anymore though so people might continue treating it as a n opera despite turning into full humans.

[@oliveglider621]

Hello! Can you make a video about the time loops? Like, when did the 4th cycle start, what triggered it, what were the twins up tk back then?

[@mafimok]

10:59 I thought I was trapped in a Samsara dream, the lines repeated. Fitting Easter Egg for a Sumeru summary.

[@steindoesnothing]

I always think about "justice vs. law" conflict in context of Fontaine It's probably not the answer you're looking for, yet i find it a common theme in Fontaine's characters' quests (Wriothesley, Lyney), world quests and archon quest as well Is law always just? Should you break the law if it isn't? Who are you to deem yourself more just than the law? And in Focalors' sacrifice you can also see the rejection of the divine order by "playing by it's rules" in a sort

[@basilysgavalas8134]

For what i understand from the fontaines archon quest and the newest event, it would be justice vs vengeance! These two ideals are similar, but not the same , for the fist is justice through the legal system, and the other is through hatred and emotional behaviour in general!

[@finebook281]

The theme of Fontaine, going by the convention of the video, is justice vs law. Our very first interaction in Fontaine was Furina bringing justice and law into conflict by accusing us of committing a crime that hurt no one. Childe's conviction was unjust. Focalors and Fontaine were to be unjustly punished for Egeria breaking the law created by Celestia. Focalors broke the law to achieve justice for her people and for Neuvillette

[@cyfigames2540]

my kinda loose idea for what is justices ideal while justice, as defined by focalor, seems to be what is best for humanity, or right and wrong analyzed through a humanities standpoint so a fitting opposition would be conceitedness, as that is viewing yourself as above everyone else, and therefor believing you can do no wrong

[@dreemysweety]

From what I’ve been able to understand from Fontaine. The archon quest was a difference between Justice for One’s Self, and Justice for Others. Mostly the difference between the first and last act. For the first act it was justice for Lyne and Navia who were or knew someone who was wrongfully convicted, and for Furina who took steps to prove her nation’s innocence by the heavily principles in the last act. Since the nation of justice is so new that’s mostly what I can go off of right now.

[@juliedazai8642]

I feel like the shade of time(istaroth)related to venti and shade of life(possibly unknown god) is related to zhongli

[@FruitJuice1009]

Real (merry Christmas)

[@calebpillai4774]

Justice is only justice from a certain perspective. Like furina's secret.

[@NaeKhen]

Justice vs Ethics, Focalor did what was right not what was allowed. Also ties into the unethical practices in the story quests and why the "balance" on what fails and what doesn't is the self-sacrifice part.

[@Hummingbird_335]

Freedom. A dog without a good master is a street dog.

[@danielboris6790]

I always thought that the main Dilemma of Fontaine Archon Quest was between Justice and Redemption. This became most explicit when the story shows Focalors finally giving back to Neuvillette the power and authority stolen from the Sovereign Dragons to have his forgiveness while also redeeming from her actions (creating Fontainean humans) by enduring the ultimate Justice (sacrifice); Navia & Clorinde also presents a similar emotional conflict given what happened to Navia's father and how she considers forgiving or not Neuvillette & Clorinde; and ofc when we look at Furina story, her secret coupled with Fontainians unjust treatment and mistrust by the end of the arc would lead her mind to constantly beg for forgiveness; her silent suffering eventually made Neuvillette apologise, granting her with a vision. Most characters are either carrying enormous guilt and wish for a final redemption or reflecting on what actually would be a truly Just resolution.

[@thatguy2087]

How about this "Justice vs Authority"

[@davidjohnson8273]

The story with Ei - well the interpretation usually (and here) put on it tends to ignore the other 498 years of Ei's rule and just look at the last two years. If Ei was really against any change then why does she agree to a big change like the Vision Hunt Decree? or the sealing of Inazuma against other countries' shipping? Those are both huge changes and obviously if she was against change she would have vetoed those suggested laws. So basically are we supposed to just ignore all that? They could have written the story and instead said that for all of the last 500 years these two decrees had been established, and established by Ei personally instead of being written by someone else. For sure Ei prefers things to not change much in some sense but in as much as that is true both of the bothersome Decrees and the Civil War would constitute deviations from the norm which presumably Ei would forsee a return from. And yet she agrees to these changes which are by no means small things. In much the same way that Venti allows slavery in a land that is supposed to represent Freedom, Ei does allow change in a land that represents unchanging. In both cases this appears to be because the humans wanted these changes and in both cases there appear to be limits to what the archon will put up with.

[@ChillwithAster]

Theres a core missing element in Genshin's story writing that I said before in my criticism of Inazuma's AQ because she's not afraid of change per se, she's afraid of change that she cannot control. That's different. Like an accident or something. My hypothesis is that the Fatui had something to do with the implementation of the decree, and was able to convince Ei and the Shogun somewhere along the lines. Im kind of sad they never opened that possibility, since the Fatui were supposed to be bigger political powers as hinted by Scaramouche's line about the VHD

[@salceds]

@@ChillwithAster Your hypothesis if it was the VHD might as well be true considering she didn't expect that her own Tri-Commission would collude with the Foreign Diplomats to willfully deceive and ultimately make a fool out of her.

[@davidjohnson8273]

I did a piece on defending Ei against the typical fanbase complaints about her including pointing out that she didn't come up with the Decrees. Oh wait no links in KZbin comments. Hmm. Google "Why are so many people down on Ei, the best Archon of the Seven? By far". Just 1200 words. @@ChillwithAster

[@SandeepKaur-rw2fj]

I think the counter part to justice is performance

[@punypikachug3815]

I think Fontaine’s arc is Justice vs. Hubris. You can see this in Furina’s different “personalities” for one. The part of her that acts as the invincible god, whose knowledge and power surpasses all mortal understanding and the part that is a scared girl faced with an impossible task. Nuvillette has a similar contrast, with him originally being an elemental dragon that was wronged and now him growing to care and want to better understand mortals. Moreover, there seems to be a constant theme of being infallible. The people of Fontaine reflect this in their sentiments, not fully grasping what goes on in the fortress of meropide and deeming everyone there an irredeemable criminal, watching the trials as a form of entertainment and making guesses as to who is truly guilty, and most obviously in their change of sentiment regarding furina as the quest progresses, originally seeing her as a godly celebrity and eventually turning on her and feeling like they had been wronged. These all display a level of self-righteousness that I would deem as hubris, finding yourself as infallible and indestructible when you have no reason to believe so.

[@Azzywrld224]

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[@megtrix3647]

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[@pafoa6terencereybernardoch63]

To me it is Justice Vs Mercy. The law can be cold, rigid, and unbending much like contracts in the land of Geo. Yet the concept of water is that it flows. It adapts and can take any shape. To what extent do we apply the law to the point that mercy, consideration for the stories inside the case, is neglected if not dramatized / agrandized? Thats why in furinas story quest she learns how important the stories of her people outside the court / opera.

[@amouramarie]

If I had to pick one, I'd say Fontaine is *Justice vs Vengeance.* There's so many quests that deal with people unable to forgive wrongs done to them, so they commit murder, or other crimes. The oceanids that wouldn't forgive Vacher, the daughters in the Two Musketeers story who hunt their mother's killer, Vautrin taking revenge for Carol. Even the prophecy seems less like justice and more like the gods' vengeance for Egeria flouting Celestia's laws. The most impactful example is probably Neuvillette - the one who chose NOT to take vengeance. Instead, he follows the path set out for him by Focalors - _an Archon of Celestia_ who someone in his position could justifiably hate and wish vengeance on - and when he gains the ancient dragon's authority, he uses it instead to forgive, and it's that forgiveness that allows the happy ending.

[@Xhosant]

My take on a juxtaposition would be 'perceived vs actual fairness', though better words surely exist. Let me elaborate: before and during 4.0, Fontaine reminded me of 'decadence', the art and cultural movement of the 19th century - 'style over substance, for there is no true substance', if I had to summarize. Flamboyancy, shock value and disregard for a morality that reveals itself to be not absolute. The reason, besides matching style and areas, was the King In Yellow and Carcossa, the two stories of which can be interpreted as a world-turned-stage and a god-turned-masquerade of that fact. In retrospect, we have Furina, not a god but persuading everyone she is rightfully that. We have the Opera, with its justice-as-spectacle style, and Indemnitium itself, justice-per-the-people made manifest. We have quests alluding to this theme too - Neuvilette's, for example, or Caterpillar (should he be imprisoned for something only he seems himself guilty of? Should he be imprisoned for being a hillichurl?). Then on the flipside, we have Furina again, who is perceived progressively as negligent and hiding secrets for herself, when she is actually dedicated to her role and suffering for it. People's reaction to the receding waters, 'the prophecy was wrong'. We have Egeria, who acted out of kindness but was deemed a sinner, we have the false punishment of Fontaine in the eyes of Celestia, we have Focalors' schemes to shift Neuvilette's perception on if people's existence is just, and her decision to be punished in their stead, as well as her mentions of 'your' or 'their' justice. In conclusion, that's my take: what's just, what the public or the laws or authorities or individuals see as just, and how the two aren't the same. If anyone has a better word for that, I'd like it!

[@SainInaban]

Existence is Justice

[@shinobimanexe]

D...did you just Samsara us at 11:12 !?

[@charroboo]

You were wrong about one thing. I am perfect.

[@mattmark94]

Venti is all about freedom but he doesn't have the will to defend it.

[@originalsiren9053]

Justice and vengeance?

[@fandomcake5158]

Hmm... I think the true opposition of Justice is Invalidation. Justice is something not to be restricted only to those who are claimed to it. It is for anyone who has been wronged. True Justice is the righting of those wrongs, not for satisfaction or forgiveness but catharsis to those wronged and have done wrong. Many characters throught the quests strive for this justice or eventually come to this notion (the current Film event has a conclusion like that, no specifics coz um spoilers) Invalidation, meanwhile, straightout says one person does not deserve something like true justice due to a set of criteria or due to prejudice (Neuvilette's story quest for example). Focalor's entire plan to spare Fontaine from Celestia's punishment was to counter their invalidation of people who were unjustly marked as sinners due to one person's (Egerea's). And even the quests now showcase how insanely common this is in Fontaine's own legal system, a nation built on the belief of Justice. Or atleast, that's just how I see it. The thing I love about Genshin is its themes are not purely solid. In the words Bruce Lee, "Be like water, my friend." And this story is indeed that. Constnaly reshaped and refreshed. Like water.

[@tsarkiel8471]

Merry Christmas Aster. 😊

[@Tm-dy2bp]

TL;DR Venti just doesnt want his people becoming like a hopeless child who cant live without their parent. Humans only using their god with no effort on their part. Venti story thus far has always been the more thought provoking one of all so far for me. Mainly cause of how so many players hate him agreeing that he did nothing when his people suffered. Which is quite funny yes if freedom is demanded of you its not freedom as its a demand not a choice but thats not what he is doing or plan to do. He himself have shown he prefer humans solving their own problems unless its gets out of hand then he deems it fit to interfere and even then in a limited capacity whether hes weaker than others or not is irrelevant the man is still a power house and can wipe an entire area away if he so choose; golden archipelago or spiral abyss says hi. So many players saying he should do more and then what completely go against his very values? So why arent we telling zhongli be more leeway and stop holding those accountable for contracts, tell Ei dont do eternity think in the limited or finite, tell nahida stop being wise embrace the stupid and illiterate...I feel ive made my point. Venti just doesnt want anyone overly relying on him much like zhongli did with his test than become complacent and dont strive to do better WITHOUT a gods intervention.

[@kaazaar7729]

This is something I thought about as well. Venti's a god who doesn't impose his authority on his people and even ensures that his presence doesn't affect others unless it's deemed necessary. Venti's seen by many people as a lazy god that lets his people do his work of overlooking Mondstadt, but this is wrong as he has ensured that his people were in a stable state before slumbering. When he allows his people to be free to do what they want as long as it doesn't negatively affect other people, this is him following his ideal of freedom. This is an interesting idea though as he himself is technically going against his ideal by sacrificing his own freedom for the freedom of others by being an archon. Venti is a prisoner of duty just by being the archon of Mondstadt even though he is the god of freedom, but he understands this because he knows that when giving others freedom, this can result in losing yours. People need to understand that we only have a surface level of understanding with Venti, once we get a part 2 to his story quest, we can make more assumptions about his character as we know almost nothing about him as he hides behind the facade that he created, the same could be applied to Zhongli as well.

[@Tm-dy2bp]

@@kaazaar7729 Agreed which is also why i fear his second story as well. There is so much info we lack on mondstat and venti by virtue of being the 'tutorial' area and the stepping stone into teyvat. When we go back i feel all hell is going to break loose and venti along side many of mondstat citizens may pay a hefty price. Honestly hoping I am guessing wrong about this as venti is definitely the first archon i fell in love with personality wise despite his very secretive and sometimes annoying way of dodging questions. Side notes bonus to why I am afraid; the hexinzerkel tried to fight venti, the inverted anemo statue still in limbo, the abyss or part of it is near mondstat if understanding of signora story is right and honestly it seems a lot of major incidents and organisations have some vested interest in mondstat region.

[@amieldelacruz7010]

Also Venti did plenty for Mondstadt, to ensure its safety, prosperity & growth. So far his terraforming is the BEST, with the best climate, the cleanest, no abyssal corruption, nor gods residue, except dragonspine, no wandering souls, no dangerous mountain peaks, and more. His nation in terms of morale compass is the most well DEVELOPED, corrupt officials are long gone, and in check, almost crimes are non-existent, except for the Lawrence clan, often crimes if some are committed by foreigner. His ideals created one of the BEST secret organization that voluntarily protects Mondstadt and Teyvat, the Hexenzirkel.

[@amieldelacruz7010]

​@@Tm-dy2bp Well I think the Hexenzirkel was an ally of Barbatos, the challenge is there way proved their power, Do you remember Diluc connection to them, and the part of his story joining a secret organization that protects Mondstadt. Alice comments about the wind(Barbatos) shows how grateful she was, trusted him, considered him a proper God and a friend than the others that underestimate him (La Signora) Venti's ideals alone, produce very powerful secret organization, with powerful humans, that rivals the Gods is a very huge feat. (I think the destruction of Mondstadt that everyone was waiting, wasn't planned by them, but rather there to prepare precautions, specially if it FATED to happen)

[@DR-pq6ki]

Id say its Black Truth vs White Lie or Retribution vs Mercy.

[@mitab1]

If you signed a contract with someone, knowing full well about all the conditions of the contract, then you don't get to cry about being stuck in a contract you signed with your free will, without anything being hidden under the table, If zhongli is a Hypocrite, if he knows all the conditions in the contract between him and Celestia, then he doesn't get to sneak his way out of it, if the contract says, being an archon is a job for life and you can't retire, then zhongli should face the wrath of his own rocks

[@priyankaravichandhran]

Was there a real contract between him and celestia in the first place or is he just talking about his duty as a contract?

[@donkey_mediocre7246]

I would kill for john lee archon skin

[@vanillul]

Christmas Upload????

[@TNTboyz1997]

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[@losetthewaytogo]

Deception?

[@DenKyuIdeas]

OK, so the comments on this video have been extremely philosophical and abstract, so I'll try not to devolve into purple prose. Personally, I feel like the opposite of justice is justice itself. I feel like the point of Fontaine is that it's not all black and white, and 'justice' is complicated. Take Wriothesley for example. Sure, he was dealt a bad hand and had every right to kill them, but he still committed a crime and took a life. Its controversial. That's why its justice vs justice. If a concept isn't black and white, can it really have an opposite? I'm also going to go into the concepts of the other two nations. War and.... Peace. Yep. I don't think the Tsarita's is love, I think its peace. For Natlan, I feel like 'war' is kind of an oversimplification. I feel like the 'war' is a lot more like 'struggle'. Ever heard of the phrase 'iron sharpens iron'? I feel like its like that. Just check ShadowX5452 Gaming's video on visions. I mean, that's like an hour long though, so I'll summarise it. I disagree with his theories about the pyro archon, but I'll get to that later. Basically, there are two elements to a pyro vision: Strength and Individuality. Pyro characters rely on their strength rather than just their visions to achieve their goals. Take Dehya as an example. 'Additionally, though the Vision can help her direct the elements, victory in a true battle is still decided by skill, judgment, strategy, and physical conditioning. There are many legendary mercenaries who achieved such renown even without a Vision, relying only on training and grit. Dehya likewise understood that, should one become overcome by pride at having the gods' favor, stop thinking things through, and fail to appreciate that which is before them, no enemy would be required to punish such hubris. The desert itself would exact vengeance upon such folly on its own.' - Dehya's vision story Dehya wants to get stronger on her own, and doesn't want to use her vision as a crutch. She wants to train, and STRUGGLE because in the end she'll come out stronger. My theory is that the pyro archon is putting the people of Natlan through all of this war to make them stronger, and so that they can defend themselves. She's probably already dead, and set off all this war so that the people of Natlan will keep training and keep getting stronger, relying on their strength rather than becoming complacent and relying on the power of their archon. Also, I feel like we're being a bit mislead by Neuvillette, not intentionally, but just in the same way we were slightly mislead going into Sumeru then Fontaine. What I mean is when you think of 'wisdom' you usually think of intelligence, but Sumeru's 'wisdom' was more about 'knowledge'. Still wisdom, but not what immediately comes to mind. When you think 'justice' you think of law and order, but Fontaine's 'justice' was more 'fairness'. In the same way, when you think 'war', you think of death, destruction, and violence, but I think Natlan's war is more necessary struggle and training. Iron sharpens iron, 'VICTORS BURN BRIGHT' and struggle builds character. Also there's probably going to be a system involving a mechanism that contains the gnosis and utilizes the nation's ideal in some way. It happened in Sumeru and Fontaine (also in Liyue if you count the Golden House) and it'll probably happen again. Also it could have vestiage of Murata inside it, allowing her to 'share (her) secret with the traveler' since that happened in Fontaine, and technically in Sumeru, although Rukkhadevata wasn't in the Akasha. I don't think Murata is coming back, I think we'll see a new archon be born, and the resurrection could refer to either the resurrection of a god, a sovereign, or Signora. I think they'll be a tournament arc for the gnosis which Capitano has entered, and Signora could possibly be being revived to participate, maybe with some enhancements provided by Dottore. This comment is getting way too long so I probably won't go into Snezhnaya and peace, although I largely agree with ShadowX5452 Gaming's theories on the cryo archon, but I won't go into that right now. Let me know what you think in the replies I guess, and I'll probably elaborate.

[@togerboy5396]

I have a question about the archon’s power. We know that archons get their power from the number of people worshipping them, but does following the archons ideals count as worship? How does one worship a god in teyvat?

[@amieldelacruz7010]

I think believing their Gods ideal is enough, this is proven by the Oratrice

[@togerboy5396]

@@amieldelacruz7010 So does that mean Venti would be the strongest of all the Archons since all of his people believe in freedom (with the exception of the clans) compared to how many people in Inazuma do not believe in the Raiden Shogun’s perception of Eternity and yet she is considered extremely powerful? That’s the only reason why I’m asking.

[@amieldelacruz7010]

@@togerboy5396 Yes I do believe it too, that it was the case, And I speculated that power is currently stored in Windrise, (And that tree is storing longer that the Oratrice, with more believers, the Hexenzirkel trust Venti a lot even the Apocalypse happen, it's easy to speculate that Venti has a backup plan when that time comes)

[@amieldelacruz7010]

@@togerboy5396 thou Venti has this massive amounts of power stored, if he doesn't harvest it, he will still remain weak

[@jasonhogan1614]

I think Fontaine lays out pretty clearly that the empty fulfillment of justice is theatrics. All show, no substance.

[@JedaXXXx]

A deeper what?

[@senatuspopulusqueromanus2082]

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