Very Reverend Jay Ruka on the Open Letter to Stop the Treaty Principles Bill

[@chrisrutherfurd9338]

'What were you doing before this?' 'I was working with treaty education'... Say no more.

[@pgreen8531]

Totally biast individual

[@onepup-pr3yl]

''Good question, I err'' looking for a new grift and I stumbled upon this beauty, how can you go wrong with a ready-made bunch of believers just ripe for the picking!

[@andreatodd3095]

​@@onepup-pr3yl exactly my thoughts, they are turning over every stone to find a new grift

[@shaayd12]

That doesn’t matter he still has the right to sign a petition lol

[@JimmyJenks-u8v]

What was Seymour doing before? I know, do you? He is the epitome of a grifter and his world view is based on racist reckons. Funny how people won't use the same measure for their masters.

[@TerrorballNoise]

An activist masquerading as an Anglican.

[@mr2981]

The describes pretty much everyone in the upper echelons of the "Church" of "England" , so it's not surprising the disease has made its way here.

[@5150show]

Wants to secure himself a leading role in the upcoming apartheid regime

[@pgreen8531]

Exactly right ✅️

[@robertmccabe8632]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6HTYaarZcl0ntksi=zFmwkZG7frSq5y0z And needs to get an update to his knowledge base. Maori ceded sovereignty.

[@ronaldwarren1267]

Face in trough

[@granthardy5844]

Thank you Michael !!!!!! For exposing another load of woke crap.

[@David-cy7pd]

Yes, they removed Family first charitable stats for their education efforts in protecting our kids. So the same should happen here now.

[@throughput6674]

you know whats worse than woke? those who use woke as a generalization without speaking openly and specifically about what they really think. Just define woke. or piss off.

[@gordoncooke6785]

Define woke dullard

[@gordoncooke6785]

​@@David-cy7pdindoctrination is not education

[@pgreen8531]

Absolutely right ✅️

[@Abuamina001]

The only thing wrong with the Treaty Principles Bill is that it does not go far enough. It is time to scrap the Treaty and remove it entirely from the legislative framework.

[@throughput6674]

its not part of the legislative frame work you numbskull. its a constitutional document along with others, that the government ignore by way of legislative frame work.

[@susanpockett4314]

YES! It is WAY past time to scrap this three-article Treaty. There is nothing "sacred" about it. It's not a "covenant". There's NOTHING in it about partnership -- Article 1 says in so many words that Mauri cede sovereignty without reservation to Queen Victoria. And as for tikanga, I personally do NOT want to return to a country composed of multiple warring tribes, who routinely killed, enslaved and then ate the neighbors. THAT IS how this country operated in the early 19th century -- and had done since Maori got here.

[@HunkyMan777]

Yes please. finally someone who agrees with me on this

[@pgreen8531]

Totally agree with you about that 👍

[@stevehughes1510]

Well said.

[@stevehughes1510]

First time I've ever heard someone say that the Treaty of Waitangi is a sacred document, that's unbelievable.

[@trishkerr-v3r]

You are right , only Jesus is sacred. God is Holy 🙏

[@gordoncooke6785]

@@stevehughes1510 pull your head out of your😮

[@gordoncooke6785]

@@trishkerr-v3r there is no god ,throw your crutch away, take responsibility for your own life, grow up

[@stevehughes1510]

@@gordoncooke6785 You'll find out when you die matey. So you're of the belief that the Treaty is a 'sacred' document, you, presumably an athiest or agnostic ??

[@stevehughes1510]

@@gordoncooke6785 Keep your hands off your willie gordon, you're already blind so I guess it makes no difference now anyway, carry on with your thrashing you little timothy tug muscle you !!

[@KINGSFORDLIFE]

400 churches should be paying taxes.

[@Ricky-nq7lu]

Yep, they removed Family first charitable stats for their education efforts in protecting our kids. So the same should happen here now.

[@-KAIX-0405-NZ]

For who, Government?

[@helenlizzystewart4908]

yes and give that money to St Johns

[@-KAIX-0405-NZ]

@@helenlizzystewart4908 Take from the Church to give to a Saint...LOL

[@brucegibbins3792]

The God delusion doesn't pay tax.

[@renesmit6774]

“So you are a political lobby group then?” “Yes, yes, yes” Then they are NOT a charity !!!!

[@toranarama1]

Id like to submit my letter to fast track the bill please and ensure all kiwis have equal rights and entitlements on this land that belongs EQUALITY TO ALL CITIZENS . No Maori has anymore place in this country than non Māori. Maori have no special reserved place in government or any organization, they are part of the democracy like everyone else. Its not your foreshore , not your seabed , not your forests , it belongs to all New Zealand citizens.

[@brianmarshall1762]

This guy is not a Christian as we know it. He calls the treaty sacred, but dismisses Michael’s definition.

[@gsd4me00]

He sounds like a woke prick to me.

[@gordoncooke6785]

@@brianmarshall1762 laws is a dribbbbbbbbbbleing moron

[@saregama-r8td]

Go cry in the corner. You don’t get to decide if he’s a true Christian or not.

[@JimmyJenks-u8v]

Don't think Sean and Michael are Christians either. In fact I have heard Sean say disparaging things about Christianity.

[@shaayd12]

He didn’t dismiss it though, he said to him it is sacred. He even admitted by definition it is not sacred

[@KiwiCat198]

And how does the ‘very reverend’ feel about the murder and mayhem involving too many Maori children and the openly hostile and aggressive racist behaviour on ordinary New Zealanders going about their day.

[@NevilleFuckenBloodyBartos]

Where?!

[@austinbrown275]

To worried about hiding the truth about how many church leaders molester kids in NZ, but expert on treaty ???

[@nzkid2599]

Auckland is turning into a hellhole too many crimes being committed by trouble makers many of them Māori

[@Tutu-Blah-Blah]

Who is an ordinary New Zealander?

[@NevilleFuckenBloodyBartos]

@@Tutu-Blah-Blah I assume by ordinary new Zealander they mean either "non racists" and or "the majority"

[@lu-uf8zj]

racism is not God's will

[@patrickhauraki8713]

Ring him.n tell him.off

[@Peter_Pepper_Love]

People don't listen 😴 but thankfully God is patient 🙏

[@lu-uf8zj]

@@patrickhauraki8713 I think he should tell his church leaders off.

[@TheAllanJM]

Just as well the proposed bill is not racist then.

[@patrickhauraki8713]

@@lu-uf8zj naar bro use guys created the church it's ur job dude

[@slegin]

What does the treaty have to do with the church?

[@lemongate4869]

Nothing. They're just virtue signaling.

[@nomez2230]

What do you have to do with the treaty?

[@Chopper650]

Jay Ruka turned the Saint Mary's Cathedral into a woke paradise... got every grift going... happy to take taxpayer dollars to do "gods work"

[@patrickhauraki8713]

Your god bro. You guys created it

[@-KAIX-0405-NZ]

Vatican's got Billions, yours, hers, mine....

[@-KAIX-0405-NZ]

​@@patrickhauraki8713Chur, Chur bro.👍

[@Peter_Pepper_Love]

More like a judas sheep leading the flock down a very slippery shute!

[@marinedrive5484]

The Treaty is a contract, a binding agreement. A sacred covenant is a reciprocal agreement between God and a person or group in which they accept the terms of an agreement FROM God in return for his blessings. This is Newspeak from the church to manipulate language to suit a political agenda. The debate is about the Treaty Principles Bill anyway, not the Treaty itself and the church is trying to conflate the two to bolster its argument.

[@jenniehaxton1240]

Thank you again for exposing these people who should not be dipping their oars into democratically elected Government business

[@tonygee3284]

The Treaty bill will go through Who cares about churches input this is for all New Zealander To dismantle the treaty

[@julieharris8562]

Yea mate well said

[@David-cy7pd]

The Principles Bill as there's no Principles in the treaty just Articles. That's where all the misunderstanding is coming from I feel.

[@nomez2230]

Who cares about your input?

[@David-cy7pd]

@@nomez2230 Ho, Boo Boo please don't cry.

[@lyndellecoats8459]

Wolves obviously don't have to put on sheepskins anymore.

[@janconway2880]

This man is woke by the way he talks, and its not for churches to be involved in woke ideology or politics, this guy should stay either with the church or get involved with the Maori party.

[@julieharris8562]

Just a slippery tongue grifter

[@NZ_Kiwi1010]

Wtf... churches should stay in their lane...

[@patrickhauraki8713]

Ring Jesus bro

[@Peter_Pepper_Love]

They've hit a dead end road.

[@nomez2230]

Yea fair enough. And you should stay in your lane.

[@patrickhauraki8713]

@NZ_Kiwi1010 your people created the religions and the churches man go sort them.out bro

[@NZ_Kiwi1010]

@patrickhauraki8713 who are you talking about when you say "Your people"

[@robertwoodroffe123]

The church/ s should stay out of politics! 😢

[@-KAIX-0405-NZ]

Politics help feed the Church, the Vatican.

[@Peter_Pepper_Love]

Rome the mother of harlots.

[@-KAIX-0405-NZ]

@@Peter_Pepper_Love Cool Cool Zin, and Washington DC's the "Whore of Babylon."

[@stevehughes1510]

@@Peter_Pepper_Love I'm catholic and that's exactly how I view it, my parish priest describes it as a 'zoo'.

[@Peter_Pepper_Love]

@stevehughes1510 yes I read it in the Bible 🤔(((💛)))

[@Winstonsmithsalias]

As an atheist I though being a priest was a calling from god, not a “job”.

[@-KAIX-0405-NZ]

How would U know, your an Atheist...LOL.

[@brianmarshall1762]

The Maori attacked innocent settler’s and set off the Taranaki wars there. All because one chief slept with another chiefs wife and the aggrieved chief sold his land off as revenge.

[@andreatodd3095]

Yes I read about that it was down to the displeasure of one Maori's actions against another.....it caused the wars there.

[@patrickhauraki8713]

They weren't innocent bro sorry

[@brianmarshall1762]

@@patrickhauraki8713 I don’t know how you could say that without being an absolutely awful PoS.

[@patrickhauraki8713]

@@brianmarshall1762 🤣

[@richardwordsworth3067]

You very obviously don't know your history

[@KenCrawford-n5k]

This guy doesn't want the treaty only his version of it

[@-KAIX-0405-NZ]

👍 Exactly!!

[@-KAIX-0405-NZ]

Yeah the Treaty, not Tiriti. They Benefited from the Treaty scam.

[@1John5-12]

If he was as evangelical about the gospel as he is around the treaty, his denomination would not be in decline.

[@christopherclayton8577]

The Treaty has status in international law, but it is not a sacred covenant. What utter nonsense.

[@geofflewis8599]

The treaty is not part of NZ law and never has been. It has no standing in international law. Neither is it an agreement between Maori and New Zealanders. The aim of the TP Bill is to stop an 'interpretation' of the treaty being used to create two levels of citizenship based on ancestry.

[@mr2981]

@@geofflewis8599 Well exactly, It is not a referendum on the Treaty of Waitangi, it is a referendum on a bunch of legislation from the 1970s that was created out of thin air.

[@quillakiore3499]

Incorrect. Indigenous Treaty has standing in International law.

[@stevehughes1510]

@@quillakiore3499 You're going to need to prove that.

[@geofflewis8599]

@@quillakiore3499 a treaty is an agreement, this implies common purpose, so there's no such thing as a 'indigenous' treaty unless it means the same thing as the treaty in English.

[@neillewis785]

CHANGE THE TAX STATUS OF ALL OF THESE CHURCHES .

[@honeybadger7002]

I'm from Taranaki or "The Naki" as we call it. This man does NOT speak for Taranaki!!! From what I've found, most tax paying Taranaki folks want this treatys bill passed, if for nothing else.... then just to have a talk about it 🤔

[@MK-oc4gt]

Huh, so you've spoken to 'most tax paying' people in Taranaki, the Chch of the North? Full of racist pricks! Dream on bud. Both Luxon and Peters have already said they won't be supporting the bill past the first reading. They know there'd be hell to play in this country if they did.

[@Ricky-nq7lu]

They removed Family first charitable stats, so I want to see everyone involved in this letter to lose theirs now or is NZ still have a two tier system.

[@David-cy7pd]

So true M8. I didn't think about that was just pissed they put their nose where it doesn't belong.

[@alexandradekanova771]

Jay Ruka is the author of Huia Come Home Book.Iit contains Critical Race Theory ideas applied to New Zealand circumstances in a want-to-be prophetic Christian habit. The author after a short survey of church history in NZ leads readers through a kind of "deconstruction" process to accept his idea that there is nothing like a Christian worldview and then to the next step which is to embrace Maori worldview with Maori gods, mauri (something like a soul) and wairua (spirit). He does not distinguish between the Holy Spirit and other spirits, does not seem to fully understand the difference between the Old Testament (covenant) and New Testament (covenant), mixes together the culture and worldview, interprets scripture in accordance with his pre-conceptions and sees the future of the church under the leadership of Maori worldview. His main idea, the comparison of the fat big chicken representing the Western culture and lovely but extinct Huia is a typical metaphor of Critical Race Theory dichotomy oppressor versus oppressed while he ignores not only the real historical facts (the real state of pre-contact society in this country, the difference between 15th-16th century colonisation and the process of colonisation in NZ including the Treaty of Waitangi which under his pen takes a token of a sacred document) but, again in accordance with CRT practices, blames the church of betrayal of Maori in the years of wars (while the opposite is nearer the truth) and sees the way of her redemption in embracing Maori worldview. As for the extinction of Huia lamented through the whole book, he again ignores at least 30 bird species and other forms of life that became extinct during the Maori so called "stewardship". Denigrating everything that has anything to do with the Western culture as the author does in this book opens the question: which system in the world history was and is better than Western democracy built on classical antiquity together with Judaism and Christianity? Take out the Redemption brought about by Lord Jesus Christ, substitute it with Maori animistic pagan religion and the whole will collapse.

[@colinm610]

Thank you. So my hunch has been confirmed. We are living in very dark times. I should have read this before commenting earlier. I gave Jay Ruka the benefit of the doubt. but alas.

[@CharlieRavioli]

So, did Ruka not train as a priest then? Just another DEI (Didn't Earn it) appointment?

[@georgeminty6218]

Talk about spreading misinformation and condoned by the Anglican church who just happen to be at the forefront of Wokeist religious views.This guy is a Maori sovereignty activist pure and simple. Whats your view on the treaty ? GREAT QUESTION.

[@matthewdonoghue321]

Lets be clear about this... even if the Treaty was and is a sacred document (that's a big IF)... the bill before parliament is designed to return the treaty to its original meaning as it was understood for the first 140 years of it's existence and to end the activist reinterpretations. As a guy who has spent quite a bit of time in Christian churches... why have all these so called Christians signed a document to perpetuate racial inequality in our country? And why are these leaders speaking on a non religious matter? And why are they doing so before reading the bill?

[@davethewave7248]

Though the Church Missionary Society had much to do with putting the treaty together [in its humanitarian/ idealistic aspect], it is very much a secular document, a political compact made between the British state and Maori tribes, and should not be considered a covenant, or sacred [a covenant is between God and man].

[@colinm610]

Correct.

[@ObiePaddles]

No wonder we have issues on the treaty. From the same church that has issues with ‘Our Father’ as part of the Lord’s Prayer. So something given by Jesus isn’t sacred but a treaty is? FFS

[@martingray6275]

It always intrigues me, that if the white, European colonialists were all so bad (and yes, many were) .. and they brought THEIR 'religions'... and Maori are resistant it sounds, to much of what 'the white man brought'... WHY are they so enthusiastic about being part of the Christian church.. the same church (so we hear) who enacted, initiated or supported masacres of the Maori people?

[@patrickhauraki8713]

Marty religion is a form of brain washing or colonize ones mind to the point they think hes real just like how u guys believe in God bro

[@briankelly5828]

Ruka was floundering at the end of this piece. Since there were no writings in Maori before c. 1820 when the Bible was translated, how does he know what words were 'common' or what they meant in 1840? Further, the position of Dean is of some seniority in Anglicanism. If he wasn't even an Anglican minister at the time, how was he appointed? And what does he think about the way Taranaki Maori treated the Moriori of the Chathams?

[@kevynharris1217]

They went through Deans like water. Not too many were keen on the job.

[@leylandbarr7247]

I wonder if this Dean throws in the Karakia into the mix .? Any opportunity to add to woke by twisting meanings to suit.

[@superkiwistar]

we should be asking bishop brian tamaki - not this lefty.

[@tpaine1815]

Oh hell - now we are wrapping the Treaty in religious nonsense; that somehow the Treaty is "sacred" - the Treaty doesn't come from the Christian Bible - it has no relationship to the Christian Faith AT ALL. It is a man-made instrument of diplomatic action between one state, as defined and recognised under the 1648 Treaties of Wesphalia, and groups of early settlers. The early settlers wanted protection and aid and assistance from the former, and they were given it. PLEASE, 400 useful idiots for the Maori activists to leverage and take advantage of, including my own Parish priest, all because they want to be goody goodies. And for a Right Reverand - not a priest, and without the God-given authority of a priest - he freely and proudly admits that he is employed as a Maori Treaty indoctrinator for the Anglican Church that has already rejected key parts of scripture to "accommodate" Maori gods and mythology (when the Bible states, there is only one God, and all others are idols worshipped by idolators).

[@dgm2593]

Its time for all tribes to unite and sign the DIVORCE papers with the UNFAITHFUL Crown!!! and send all pakeha PEASANTS back to england where you come from!!!!

[@leigh8695]

Agree- a sacred document is the scriptures for Christians The treaty is a man made contract warts and all. It did however spell the end of cannabalism , slavery , utu - of great benefit to Maori.

[@debbielacey6229]

Dear Tpaine1815, I agree with you on this. Boy I would love to say how I really feel but the way things are I will be banned. LOL.. Hope you and your family are well. With love ❤and blessings 🙏

[@patrickhauraki8713]

Complain to Jesus

[@patrickhauraki8713]

​@debbielacey6229 ring Jesus and complain to him debz

We have a separation of church and state so how about they limit themselves to the ephemeral. It appears that the treaty is being imbued with sacred status which thrusts it clearly into the religious frame so it to needs to be moved away from having weight in the day to day politics of running the country. We literally can't afford to have a would be house of lords leeching off the country's treasury. Or apartheid with New Zealand characteristics if you will.

[@paulmeersa7162]

I wouldn't trust him with my children...

[@charlottemay8074]

They are not Christians ..

[@robward7662]

As a supposed Anglican, I don’t think many now see much relevance in the church. And this just removes more. The church is supposed to be a house for all this letter throws probably half the church out in the rain.

[@TheAllanJM]

Most signatories are not leaders! Many are retired, many are junior lackeys. Sadly wokeness resides within the church!

[@bothafamily5002]

Thanks Michael. You have exposed the Very Ignorant Jay Ruka.

[@geofflewis8599]

Mr Ruka forgot to mention the destruction of A Te Awa, Ruanui and Taranaki by Waikato/Maniapoto in the 1830s, the confiscation o their lands and then the sale of that land - the whole of coastal Taranaki from Tongaporutu to Waitotara, to the Crown in 1842..

[@anthonycampbell1366]

Still haven't got to the nuts n bolts of it but very good information and questions mike

[@trishkerr-v3r]

Awe please this guy is on the gravey trail ....😅

[@benmeech4972]

Not one of them believes in God or have read the bible.

[@bronwynsearle2117]

Why bother asking the likes of him..🙄

[@Peter_Pepper_Love]

Exactly.

[@arirahall6918]

Alas. 400 prophets of Baal! What can we do?!!!!

[@Peter_Pepper_Love]

Join the 144,000 🙌

[@arirahall6918]

@@Peter_Pepper_Love No. Try again.

[@jasperhorace7147]

Tax them. Let them apply for that tax back for charitable works like everyone else does. The Salvation Army is a huge owner of commercial property in NZ. The Seventh Day Adventists make how much untaxed profit off weetbix? Just a two examples.

[@arirahall6918]

A) phone Brian Tamaki B) Complain C) Eat more vegetables D) Pray.

[@colinm610]

Classic !!! ;)

[@stevenroberts2490]

Tax them

[@november50]

lol, poppycock🤣😂.

[@lu-uf8zj]

And codswallop too!

[@tonyp1340]

Were both versions of this 'sacred' Treaty signed by everyone present? Just wondering..

[@tonyp1340]

@@NA-sj9jy Okay. So are both versions identical?

[@throughput6674]

@@tonyp1340 when two versions of a contract exist and they differ. the contract is invalid.

[@StGammon77]

@@tonyp1340 Of course, the problem is the final English one that was translated was misplaced in 1841 and then miraculously found in 1989, by this time the Waitangi Tribunal was set up and the Maoris had already backtranslated the Maori one to suit their agenda. The discovered paper was authenticated and is hidden in Te Papa, this must be brought out due to everyone only speaking and understanding English we don't need any maori version that causes strife

[@Freedom4UFreedom4every1]

These guys have too much gravy.

[@trishkerr-v3r]

Only Jesus is the most reverend. End of. We humans are humans nothing more nothing less. Be humble you people 🙏

[@wy2907]

This guy sums up everything astray for some time in the Anglican Church. He's the Dean of a cathedral but never had a parish of his own, in fact was appointed and not even actually an anglican priest ! Chickens and Huisa? Talk about fox in the hen house !

[@murrayappleton4106]

Conflating the actions of the British forces, camping beside a church? I am willing to be corrected

[@mr2981]

I don't find him(?) very reverend at all. And is't all this church business just more 'colonialism' or "wh1te suprem@cy" or something?

[@DCG-dg5sd]

I find this ridiculous and find it hard to believe 400 church leaders are united on this crap when they all can't agree on who is God 🤔 .... question: who amongst the different churches will be first to say "their God is the only true God and all others will burn in hell" 🤐 all organised religions are the original grifters of humanity 🙃

[@jasperhorace7147]

Yes, just another ploy by elites to control the behaviour of the masses.

[@jen7256]

How about saying the the ToW is a document, It is no more sacred than any other piece of paper

[@Yaackov1]

How can this document be SET APART?? To meet this requirement the CREATOR MUST HAVE ORDERED IT SO !

[@questor55]

No, no, hear the man out! The Treaty is a holy document, a product of the Christian faith, and we should leave the fate of it in the hands of the church. That's bound to be the most popular, most unifying take in this very secular country.

[@StGammon77]

The Church is the Body of Christ, all Christians in NZ are the Church and no one Church entity speaks for us and we didn't get a survey or referrendum!

[@darrenford8988]

Grifters at work..but never done a proper day's work in their life

[@hariseldon3786]

Yes - of course you were "doing a bit of treaty education" (Ideology spreading), and the offer of work just "cropped up"... par for the course I'd say... Incidentally, since we are going to throw stones - what did the Waikato Tribes do to the Taranaki people? In the early 19th century, the Taranaki people suffered significant losses during raids by Waikato tribes as part of the broader Musket Wars. Armed with muskets, the Waikato forces attacked Taranaki in the 1820s, resulting in the deaths and capture of several thousand Taranaki individuals. Many were taken as slaves, while others were displaced from their land, leaving parts of the region depopulated and weakened. These invasions had a lasting impact, with large numbers of Taranaki people either killed, enslaved, or integrated into Waikato society - mostly the women for obvious reasons... So, if you were a Taranaki chief (people) and wanted the protection of the "Great Queen" - you would sue for her protection by becoming a subject, by signing the Treaty of Waitangi? Of course you would - and not as a "partner"... Some would claim that this guy is an ideological schill.

[@Vince-mv7mx]

I think this guy was from Edge Kingsland church which went fully woke and departed from many mainstream evangelical doctrines.

[@trishkerr-v3r]

Only Jesus is sacred 🙏

[@-KAIX-0405-NZ]

Tax the Church? IRD will take it with Blessings on top. And Chump change from Facebook.

[@toranarama1]

Theres no end to these grifters

[@richardbruce8111]

Christian Bible ...10 commandments ..written down OK Treaty of waitangi ....Principles you must obey them! ...(can I read them?) ... NO! why not?.... because we say so! its not something you can write down its too sacred.......OH

[@David-cy7pd]

ET came to earth played with our DNA then bugged off end of story.🤣

[@Peter_Pepper_Love]

​@@David-cy7pdthat was the Nephilim.

[@GDOG1901]

Good call. Maori myths legend and BS.

[@allantaylor3288]

Nice job exposing this Māori activist for what he is👍

[@theocelot-yb4oq]

So the new Māori Queen is catholic and the Church now reacts like this! Wonder if there’s a connection!!

[@-KAIX-0405-NZ]

Yeah from Principles, to Scruples.

[@Jay-oh1li]

Good thing I'm an atheist!

[@throughput6674]

God made the atheist too.

[@throughput6674]

Q. have you ever said goodbye to anyone ever in your life?

[@bacchusman8451]

"Whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad". Penned by the great presbitarian minister William Anderson Scott. The pres buttons want no part of this madness

[@kevynharris1217]

Some did.

[@georgeorwell6869]

There are no Treaty Principles...I'm with National and NZ First on this issue...its a moot point.

[@annemackay-ib4gy]

Surely these churches have done damage to go😂ds work of embraceing all people EQUALLY

[@roddas26]

Grifters gotta grift 😂

[@Dave183]

These standard churches hold far less than 1% of the NZ population. So a minority voice. The Maori branches of churches maybe 4 to 5% of their population. The churches had a major input into the original Treaty, and so they have a standpoint,

[@logicalanswer3529]

Is any member of the media going to be brave enough to ask the Mosques what they have to say about the T.P.B?

[@Pedromanus56]

Another grifter. Tax all the churches then.

[@suziederkins3310]

1. What is it with these open letters from particular groups? Who cares what these people think. 2. How did we get 400 ‘Church Leaders’? What consigns them to being a leader? Are they voted in?

[@ranter7100]

31 million deed after vaxe rollout? Still nothing.

[@CountryBoiHLwest]

Whats your source

[@dgm2593]

Its time for all tribes to unite and sign the DIVORCE papers with the UNFAITHFUL Crown!!! and send all pakeha PEASANTS back to england where you come from!!!!

[@LarryMilmine-e9r]

All my family and friends had the vax and had no problem. You've been suckered into misinformation.

[@throughput6674]

source: trust me bro AND internet conspiracy theories.

[@CountryBoiHLwest]

@@throughput6674 sold

[@broniabutler4166]

No doubt he preaches a very biased one sided view of the Treaty.

[@StGammon77]

The Maoris would have spread a scripted letter for them to send, as if the Church speaks and understands Te Reo, it's a crock. No one Church speaks for Christians in NZ, most don't go to Church its gone awol but God is still in charge not Maoris

[@Crudislake1]

This is painful to listen to, how can someone agree but disagree in the same sentence as much as this guy. Allow the conversation if you have nothing to hide, by opposing the debate you make yourself seem guilty. The definition of the treaty can’t keep changing every other year if you think it isn’t/hasn’t then allow the debate and clarify the principle. It’s not hard, do you also question why you should brush your teeth every day?? It’s called common sense, more people need it!

[@HunkyMan777]

Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing. Many false prophets will arise in the last days. Church and state should be separate

[@squiddly-diddly]

Sacred can mean different things to different people ? ? WTF. ? ? Once again, activism trying to rewrite and redefine the spoken English language..

[@TonyWhite-x3c]

Majority are Maori or pro Maori. Better balance for all of NZ please.

[@slegin]

Yeah nah

[@rusty1538]

I think it is illegal for a charity ( churches are a charity) to get involved in Politics. John tamahere and the Waipera Trust is finding out about that now. As for calling the TOW " sacred" as a Very Reverend is laughable 😇🤣🤣

[@Thebuilder-v7q]

Time for the church’s to be taxed, they should stay out of politics, by the way they are no principles in the treaty, this man is making a history that’s suits him, he’s looking for his pot of gold from the government

[@francisheperi4180]

I'm with NZF on this issue.

[@Mmarchand]

i felt like i was in church hearing this... what is going on here OMG RAGLAN lady

[@andycy2226]

I have been concerned for some time that Te Tiriti is being used as a back door to reintroduce religion and spirituality back into politics.

[@paulmeersa7162]

Danger!

[@deantairi8357]

yes be careful what you ask the truth has many ways to come out

[@derekcravenPT]

Once again we are having the meaning of Maori words stretched out and exaggerated. These terms and ideas would have been way beyond the comprehension of both the Maori people and the majority of the Europeans at the time this Treaty was written. We need to leave it behind and live in this present age as a mature group of people.

[@Yaackov1]

Does this man confess the SET APART NAME OF JESUS THE MESSIAH !

[@nzkid2599]

Who does he think he is????