VGBootCamp Lied to EVERYONE

[@jifour98]

No way I got immortalized with a tenten pfp

[@kusaribruh]

DADDY JIFFY HIIIIII

[@zechariahcaraballo8765]

she, like every other side character in naruto, is extremely underused and a cool character

[@hiddenleif6854]

best girl

[@nyleaustin1336]

hey, it's a good ass ed lol

[@HawkBreland]

good taste in waifus

[@RainWasTaken]

This community would’ve been fine if everyone had Dabuz’s race car bed.

[@K0DA._.]

Or had a relationship their favorite waifu plushie instead of minors.

[@lorenzo689]

@@K0DA._. 💀lmao

[@viderevero1338]

​@K0DA This is true. Only problem. All of their waifus are probably Underraged Lolis.

[@BlueLass53]

@@viderevero1338 curzed

[@cvlcek144]

Yes

[@Kenryck]

PG really died for no reason lmao

[@takatotakasui8307]

The Smash community got way bigger than it ever deserved to be and a lot of people have gotten hurt as a result

[@eggdogtim8593]

​@@takatotakasui8307 deserved to be?

[@Quackra]

@@takatotakasui8307 no, it honestly didn't. It is just many of the big TOs have shown some incompetence recently.

[@takatotakasui8307]

@@Quackra That's the problem. The Smash scene elevated and idolized people with poor character and it predictably led to many abuses resulting in the mass exodus a couple years ago. A lot of us were kids when it all started out but it's time we stop giving these people a pass

[@tsoprano4891]

It did. And because it’s filled with commies any discourse around this was shut down as it happened, great way to govern things

[@hylianmango8272]

Smash would be so much better if eSam ran every tourney so he could bring all players to go boxing ring

[@DaLooseGoose11]

haha it's actually amazing how that joke legitimately CANNOT get old. And we've run it to the ground LMAO and it's still funny af!

[@viviankong69]

mfs have one joke 💀

[@DaLooseGoose11]

@@viviankong69 no?... it's just actually funny so it STAYS funny lol

[@hylianmango8272]

@@viviankong69 its funny BECAUSE its overused, not in spite of it.

[@viviankong69]

@@hylianmango8272 🤓

[@DrMDC]

It’s weird how “calling out pedos and horrendous business practices” equates to “destroying the community.” Mfs ignored momma’s “priorities straight” lecture 😭😭

[@tsoprano4891]

The community of children keeps shooting itself in the foot

[@yourheroes5874]

Technicals: They called me a mad man…

[@Nawakooo0]

It was Technicals who said he was destroying the community first lol

[@nicknickk3268]

It’s because nario is innocent for getting his sick sucked not once but twice

[@csolisr]

I mean, it's a community that is worth destroying if it has that many questionable people.

[@supersonicstyleatsonicspeed]

“When running a business, everyone is looking in the short term to make big money quick…No one is looking in the long run.”-GimR on Tweek Talks. He didn’t follow his own advice.

[@allisthemoist2244]

You sure abt that one? He ate massive debt but got rid of a massive rival and now can unite everyone under the "poor victim who rises victorious" banner of the SWT. he played the long game masterfully

[@allisthemoist2244]

Best part is, people will gladly join their one and only monopolized circuit because they're thought of as the victims

[@tsoprano4891]

@@allisthemoist2244 watch the video before commenting

[@snared_]

Most Thales watched blindfolded on mute 😭

[@tobiasterry7194]

"We had great security!" "Technicals snuck in and ruined our event" Riiggghhhhhhhhtttt.... dedinitely nothing odd to notice there

[@guyra4298]

I think security is mostly there to just stop any suspicious activities that may happen during the event, they're not gonna be on the lookout for this random guy holding up a sign about something they probably don't even know what it means... I mean even the game awards had that kid sneak in and literally walk on stage to take the spotlight from the elder ring team that got the game of the year award, so people sneaking into places can't be that difficult from what I've seen. Also as a side note the way the dude on the video fake laughs while reading the dms remind me of your typical dramatuber which kinda takes a lot of the seriousness away from whatever he's trying to say... But that's just my personal opinion.

[@kek-senpai243]

Very odd indeed. Technicals was banned, and yet, he was able to sneak in no problem.

[@GekkoOne]

@@guyra4298 To be fair, the bigger point is that Tech was able to record the front and show there was no security present, which is far worse.

[@markee3738]

having only 4 security guards for an event with over 1300 attendees is absolutely pathetic. the rule of thumb for security guards is to have one for every 100 people. so not only did they not have security during the tournament's biggest match, but it wasn't even good security in the first place lmao

[@michaelkhiev2070]

To be fair id imagine VIDEO GAME tourneys in general would be fine having less security than normal events 1 per 100 sounds hella expensive but yeah 4 for 1300 is way too little. I'd imagine something like 1 per 300 being a good in between

[@Zynet_Eseled]

@@michaelkhiev2070 I'd say it should be 1 for every 200.

[@allisthemoist2244]

Whatever the case is. Now, the "poor victimized bullied" SWT will be the only circuit remaining. The gims unfortunately wins.

[@rw9161]

@@michaelkhiev2070 1 per 300 for 1300 people is... 4

[@takatotakasui8307]

@@rw9161 My thoughts exactly lmao

[@baddragonite]

To be fair, I work security, you really aren't supposed to leave your job til relief comes in And most likely the real responsibility lies with the security company sending those particular guards or not communicating overtime hours properly though that last one could be on the client as well

[@FerousFolly]

thank you for mentioning this disclaimer: I'm in hospo, not security, so I don't know much about it. what I do know is work that doesn't have a strict end point. in the kitchen you leave when you're done, not when it's 10pm. that said; security isn't a tradie job, or an office job. if the job is an event and it goes overtime, that's the event's fault and they have to compensate your company for that, but the event, and therefore the job, _is still ongoing._ you get overtime, or you get relieved, but you don't just leave.

[@heyblasty8614]

Thank you so much for mentioning this

[@KazeShikamaru]

I think he is forgetting that just to dunk on VGBC and Grimr. This is why I have stop following his channel as much as he seems more interested on clowning and taking jabs at people than actually report things correctly.

[@JAMllostthegame]

​​​​@@KazeShikamaruven with this piece of information, unprofessionalism was still present. Communication is a two way street and that includes communication between organizations and other collective entities. Even if the security company didn't do things properly, it should still be important for VGBC/SWT to properly communicate overtime hours because they were going overtime already. The blame may not 100% be on VGBC/SWT, but they are not blameless. And even if the security company was outright terrible, you'd think for an event that would house thousands of people you'd at least make sure you're hiring the correct people for the job. And if the security company is a big issue, then VGBC/SWT should probably mention what security company they hired so other events would not hire them as well. Especially since this is what allowed Technicals to ruin the event and especially if this was the main point of Nintendo saying VGBC/SWT was not following proper "health and safety" guidelines. At the end of the day, VGBC/SWT just isn't doing their due diligence both during and after the event.

[@johnkramer2144]

@@JAMllostthegame How the fuck is someone supposed to keep track of everything going on in an event with 1300+ players and many more people watching? They paid the company/ security and expected them to do their job and they just left. How the fuck can you predict that?

[@SpectreXS]

On the next episode of "Smash Community VS Itself"...

[@nootn00nto]

Herokiller (guy that stated Wadi and Cinnpie were groomers long before all the stuff came out) also said GimR r@p3d a woman and that MDVA figureheads swept it under the rug. If there is veracity to those claims then that might be the nail in the coffin for the community, esp since everyone sided with him against Panda Global.

[@Chasardous]

Yeah I'd be happy to answer questions and clear things up! * sees basic questions * Guys, I'm being attacked!

[@OverclockBuster]

Geez, no wonder Nintendo wants to stay away from competitive smash so bad

[@CommanderFrost12]

i think its funny how Nintendo also said during the statement over smash world tour's cancellation "It’s also important that a partner adheres to brand and IP guidelines and conducts itself according to professional and organizational best practices." Basically Nintendo also said that VGBC is a childish company and are very unprofessional. When Nintendo licensed Panda, they were basically saying that this company and its circuit is legit and won't cause any controversy or drama. It's almost poetic seeing the company they didn't license be the one to start drama. Another note, I think it's ironic that what Moist Esports/Mogul Moves are trying to do for Smash is EXACTLY what Dr Alan did with Panda. Using their status and money to fund smash. I doubt however Charlie and Ludwig are trying to work with Nintendo. Charlie has like the BIGGEST hateboner towards anything Corporate Nintendo does. Without Nintendo's licenses, I'm sure that any legitimate company (esports team or sponsor) will NEVER work/sponsor a smash event. It's just too much of a risk for them.

[@ShaunInce123]

I have no sympathy for the Smash community at this point. They always find a way to sabotage themselves.

[@ace0135]

super self-sabotage bros.

[@Nawakooo0]

Idk maybe have sympathy for the players and fans who don't have anything to do with VGBC or PG. Not everything is everyone's fault

[@allisthemoist2244]

Ikr. I remember trying to talk to people during all this, and I felt like I was the only person defending DR. Alan

[@tsoprano4891]

Been had. I got banned from so many smashcords when the Alan Shit dropped because I said this, and all of them threw a temper tantrum

[@plabcentral630]

Eh I just play with my friends and go to locals.

[@Chocula]

Almost 2 weeks later and crickets from either Ludwig or Moist when Ludwig was one of the first people to defend GimR and denounce Technicals and any of his Nairo coverage and Moist out here trying to make Nintendo look like they don't know anything about the video game industry. Weird how that works.

[@vDeadbolt]

Cause Ludwig has to suck on the c*ck on the smash community so he doesn't look like a sellout, due to the fact that he blew up despite of being in the smash community Charlie is a fence sitter. He makes takes that makes him look good, and would only take an L if he looks good doing so

[@blueatomsk]

The Smash community deserves everything they get, they can't get rid of admitted pedos, they can't call these people out for not having even basic event standards, just blame some youtube with less than 100k subs.

[@squishjones2138]

Yes

[@sourthecat]

Dont forget the amount of people who supported those pedos even after they were exposed. Alpharad was on Nairo's side all the way. Shit was gross

[@squishjones2138]

@@sourthecat I didn't not know that at this point the smash community went even further beyond pathetic

[@defectivesickle5643]

90% of them can't give enough of a shit to turn this into a courthouse, and I think 'refuses to push out pedos' is... a bit of a stretched narrative to say the least.

[@kayden2119]

also on simple person to person basis the majority of them are acting in ways that would be pretty embarrassing in other fighting game communities.

[@matchasgotcha]

jifour is based, nice to see a prominent figure disagree with the NPCs who worship VGBC, Nairo and the like

[@eggdogtim8593]

Yeah but then you have you zero worshipers so what's the difference ( to be clear I think both zero and nairo are guilty )

[@matchasgotcha]

@@eggdogtim8593Difference is much of the community hated ZeRo and much of them continue too, while most people loved Nairo during the height of his controversy and many continue to

[@G.dot_]

Nairo the smash content 🐐

[@lalehiandeity1649]

@@matchasgotchaI saw Nairo’s apology video. At that point, you either give him a second chance or you don’t.

[@TurtleshipFan]

The more I see SWT stuff, I miss Panda more. I loved their team and content. Should've not ended like this

[@jordangoss622]

Bruh same 😭😭😭😭

[@LHSMeleeClub]

RIP PANDA CONTROLLER NOOOOOOOO

[@tally.klecko]

same :( the events, team, and energy was just next level.

[@AL-lh2ht]

@@LHSMeleeClub bro. do you not know what a phob is?

[@KazeShikamaru]

They got greedy and wanting to suck up all of the tournaments. Them not existing is their fault 100%.

[@itskalstor9076]

Omg it’s the company ran by the 2 ESAM clones

[@ChaosJesterYT]

Tweedledee and Tweedledum? Or Dumb and Dumber?

[@itskalstor9076]

@@ChaosJesterYT yes

[@lowtiertomad4647]

Roofus and Doofus

[@JMDurden]

Remember when Gimr helped to kill Project M? I do.

[@doorto6152]

Huh?

[@DarthEvac]

Fuck him solely for that

[@michaelkhiev2070]

Bruh people act like he was the sole reason it died like bruh Nintendo was on his ass it's 99% Nintendo's fault but Gimr gets blamed makes perfect sense 🔥

[@rumfordc]

@@michaelkhiev2070 nope. you were banned in chat for saying the words "project m". that had nothing to do with Nintendo. nice attempt at passing the blame though.

[@JMDurden]

@@michaelkhiev2070 I never claimed he was the only reason. I said he helped. Which is 100% the case.

[@Miracle7Seven]

Remember, we lost panda controllers because of VGBC. Let that sink in.

[@Ken-wf8fo]

xD

[@michaelcottrello]

I still can't get over how no one has any questions about how grassroots gimr was supposed to shell out A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS for a smash tournament. No questions from Critical, Ludwig, or Hungrybox. There's no way they had that money. It's also funny how much high profile grooming happened at Gimr's local. This guy is a professional.

[@tsoprano4891]

Grassroots is trash

[@mds_main]

It's incredible how people can still support VGB and the likes. The writing was on the wall ever since the first tweet. I also love that you always bring up Charlie and Ludwig, they also need to take accountability for taking sides without doing proper research.

[@burgersuit1642]

I love how we have idiots that run every part of the community and yet everybody complains about Nintendo not supporting them like it's the biggest issue in the community

[@陳嘉宇-y4q]

Come to realize it now, the community needs a rework

[@cluelesslink16]

'Franchise is coming for me' is pretty funny. Ngl. Also, people cant say Tech is ruining the community. Hes just pulling back the curtain.

[@lalehiandeity1649]

That is true. Because, despite what Technicals himself has said in his videos, that’s all he can do.

[@garcon45]

Some communities don't deserve to be saved and some deserve a full reset.

[@Saferoom45]

I actually like that quote. Very wise. I love it.

[@G.dot_]

As long as I can watch high level competitive smash

[@wolfgangervin2582]

**mashes reset button**

[@laserbeamlightning]

I’d like to add that BTS was no better. At least 6-10 people snuck in through the sides for Genesis and nobody cared. Badge and bag checks were abysmal

[@SSJ_EWGF]

Bro this entire community and scene is a joke ffs

[@defectivesickle5643]

No doubt that VGBC has shitty TOs and management, but the entire community and scene? Bro you yourself have a Smash pfp

[@SilverNightbane]

Somehow I don't think Charlie or Ludwig are gonna be changing their stance on this...

[@Saferoom45]

Im not really surprised about this. First the negative toxicity, hypocrisy, financial issues, pedophilia incedent and now security and safety issue. Whats even worse that the manager is not taking responsibility of his own mistakes and let someone else take the blame for nothing. The smash community is slowly rotten to the core and you know something, i say let it rot because we cant have nice things or have things that are fundamental. And for once, Nintendo, and Dr Allen was right about the community and we shunned them for nothing. This is not the kind of burden for us to bare.

[@Frilleon]

I knew vgbc was bullshitting when they canceled the smash world tour. I believe Nintendo that they didn’t force them to shut down. Pretty sure vgbc just wanted to nuke panda then come back strong

[@tally.klecko]

I hope you keep this dialogue going as long as new info is discovered. I still feel like something is off about the whole situation, and I still hate the outcome :(

[@l.a.rodriguez9581]

Yeah, we all lose.

[@WardofSquid]

The disintegration of my respect for the Smash community has evolved from tragic to cathartic.

[@rayzamarripajr.7571]

Damn these are GROWN adults unable to take simple accountability 😭😂🎉😂

[@HakuzaPK]

GimR and Apostl’s pride and naivety led to all of this. All avoidable. Don’t feel bad for them at all anymore. They cared so much about being grassroots that they were willing to risk the future of the scene. Yet they still won’t take accountability for ANYTHING?? These are grown men we’re talking about. Alan was right idc anymore.

[@SPMask]

I agree, the smash community that I grew up with, no longer exits. We need a Thanos snap reset.

[@nightcorehamster]

don't hate bandwagon me but if the security team really left without saying anything or giving any word that still is also some fuck shit

[@omarhasan03]

They left when they were supposed to leave. It's VGBC's job to line security through the whole event. Also, it is suspect as they didn't initially mention it. But either way, that's on VGBC as the security was, as admitted by GIMR, staying overtime without being consulted to do so. If you work in that industry, you know you can be fired for staying past time without your company reaching an agreement with the organization that hires your services. In short, them leaving isn't and wasn't wrong.

[@JackFlash771]

not acknowledging this fact undermines the credibility of the whole video

[@thrillainthemanilla1409]

@@JackFlash771why are you asking VGBC is telling the truth here? Would any reputable security company send people who would just leave with no communication? Kinda sounds like bs doesn’t it?

[@MikeXeno365]

Never thought I would see Charlie take an L

[@Kevinrikeith]

I also want to point out that while the lack of physical security has a lot of physical issues that go alongside it, it also has a lot of cyber issues too. Like a guy having open access to a router where everyone is connecting to? That’s ridiculous and basically telling the hacker that it’s open season with everyone’s information there.

[@friendlyastronaut6462]

I'd be interesting to hear an updated take from Charlie and Ludwig, even though they probably wont cover this topic again. Anyways, another FranChise W

[@leaffinite2001]

Nah their whole gig is just giving simplistic views on things. Nothing that might require them to read more than a single article

[@Her_name_is_luna]

​@@leaffinite2001 moist Charlie man is very well known for doing follow ups when it's necessary and doing second vids to admit he's wrong

[@Pandaxtor]

I'm starting to feel like Charlie is slowly becoming dream. Not in term of how dream acts but how naïve he can be with his public image and fans. He takes everything at face value which isn't a problem and some commentary do this. It quickly become a problem when his fan believes he can never be wrong. He doesn't seem to realize this and start causing a lot of problem when it happens.

[@GekkoOne]

@@Pandaxtor It's a weird contradiction- when Critikal's in a debate, he's fairly well read and well spoken. It's just on the channel that we get bit size, poorly researched takes.

[@NrettG]

Holy shit I forgot Critical and Ludwig made those statements. I understand that their frustated with everything going on (because I would be too if a company I tried working with kept fucking me over) but they REALLY needed to step back and take a bigger look. Their response could be boiled down to "Bad thing happened. Blame Nintendo. Don't question further."

[@hardondong3550]

They have a throbbing hate boner for nintendo so any situation that involves nintendo they're gonna pump out a video with less than 5 minutes of research. I like Charlie but it's true

[@paulflemister4737]

I laughed soo hard, how Gimr handled the situation!

[@Landmasters]

Funniest bit is they can play dumb to it being you, Tech, or anyone else who is deemed a nuisance bringing light to these issues. Underage drinking? Refer to 2020. Lack of Security? Refer to the Hungrybox Crab incident. Sure it'll look pretty bad not addressing it immediately, but it's still something you can spin a story from and say that it's been a work in progress But no, it's obviously nothingburger, god forbid we do something right that could be linked to a guy that says N*****, does controversial skits, and rightly points out hypocrisy

[@Rael0505]

I don’t think Nintendo was even aware that the security left an hour early from that tournament. That’s a reach

[@SilverNightbane]

They probably didn't... Until they released that document directly addressed to Tech.

[@Rael0505]

@@SilverNightbane what document did Nintendo release to tech?

[@GekkoOne]

@@Rael0505 VGBC, not Nintendo

[@MongoIndyleo]

To be fair to Charlie and Lud, I don't think they know about literally any of this stuff and they just thought that Nintendo killing SWT was just some classic "Nintendo flexing their muscles" stuff that Nintendo does all the time. They probably didn't look into at all. They probably should have done so if they were gonna make a video about it but streamers gonna do streamer things I guess. Good video tho.

[@mauricesteel4995]

what is the point of their opinion then, if all they are going to do is spout whatever people already think instead of actually looking at the subject and forming a real well researched statement instead of just spouting the most surface level take for easy views while the subject is still hot?

[@G.dot_]

@@mauricesteel4995bcuz more money makes u a better person

[@icedude_907]

Putting aside everything else in this video: Responsibility doesn't rhyme with Smash T.O.

[@joshstanton9335]

the worst thing is all the smash kids who don't even realize how bad gimr is for the community. always remember, the gimz only cares about his wallet

[@pepeelghetto1231]

Wouldn't mind the Smash community dying tbh. Mfs Were anoying af

[@SonKosen]

Yeah we need to re build the smash community from the ground up

[@DarkSage861]

Honesty seems to be a losing matchup for VGBC

[@erne3579]

Charlie has weird L’s sometimes

[@erne3579]

Common gimr L tho

[@ashemabahumat4173]

Just remember guys, PM died for this...

[@Auchaser643]

No matter how much time passes the smash community will always be an embarrassment.

[@d_sims]

I hope your next video is titled "Why no one should EVER work with GimR/VGBC". The incompetence as a leader, and TO and inability to make tough decisions is on a whole other level

[@Goggles1975]

Let em all rot. In order for good events to come back the old guard needs to rot away

[@Chocula]

11 months later and the general Smash populace still believes GimR and VGBC did nothing wrong, Panda was in wrong, Nairo innocent, etc. Ya love to see it.

[@lalehiandeity1649]

Nairo is a prime example of “Don’t attribute to malice what is easily explained with stupidity.”

[@serenade718]

Waiting for someone to post on Reddit

[@DarkSage861]

It'll probably get taken down instantly

[@KIJHK]

Reddit is nothing more than an echo chamber filled with brainless bias people who are playing favoritism.

[@ogxh0018]

The community is finished. Smash will never go under as long as Nintendo is around and because the characters and game is just that well made and iconic. The competitive community though, as long as it's not RAN by Nintendo themselves, will never make it back and even if it does recover some what, it'll never reach the potential it first was thought to had since smash 4 come through and made it crazy. The smash community lost it's biggest home grown creator ever, ZeRo. They lost most of the players with personality that were fun to watch in tournaments and on stream. They lost the best announcer, D1 and the rest of the scene is ran by people whom have 0 business running anything, made people suppress themselves and let outsiders like Moist critical and Ludwig have way more influence than most of the top players have. Hell Lowtiergod is a bigger and more entertaining smash streamer because he doesn't give a damn. The point is that the smash community will live on because the game is hype and by that alone, an audience will always come out. But as far as being huge like Mk, Sf and Tekken, that automatically off the table until Nintendo comes back around or the community has a huge overhaul

[@JaredTVW]

They will never learn.

[@Raykushi]

Damn that doctor mario is woopin your ass Nice video

[@MHSlim]

Smash just can't keep its hands to itself and stay out of trouble, can it? Always gotta be in the headlines somewhere about how self-destructive they are. It's all crappy and I wish legit people didn't have to suffer because of idiots.

[@stareatmyprofile9872]

Is the smash community full of predators still?

[@thefranChise1]

Yes there was actually a new case just this past weekend LMAO

[@omarhasan03]

Yes and it's sad

[@skapenguin]

Something's always has rubbed me the wrong way with Gimr. Then i saw Technical's video, and Gimr came across hell bad imo.

[@glitchunicorn]

Was Double Down also where Hungry Box was throwing up blood?

[@ShaunInce123]

Yes

[@glitchunicorn]

@@ShaunInce123 Damn, so lame I don't even want to believe it.

[@0f128]

Smash has the weirdest community. I've tried to get into it back on 2012 and try it out but damn those guys are weird and besides smelling bad they always looked upto top players for no reason

[@dnphd8717]

Dog I don’t think Ludwig or Charlie knows who technicals is or anything about that situation, Twitter was too flooded with the panda stuff for them to even possibly see it

[@dnphd8717]

This is a good video but I think they just caught strays for no reason

[@aidenmcdonald3006]

If I remember right, Ludwig wasn't a part of Moist at the time. Doesn't really matter or change anything, but felt misleading in the video

[@kajee-kun]

this really sucks, ESAM's fault ngl

[@TurtleshipFan]

Esam is always up to something smh 💀

[@ParrotMan01276]

Gimr feels like the quote "I tried nothing and I ran out of ideas." I love how he finally admitted to the security issue.

[@CorruptedShadowDarkStar]

Next Time on how can the smash bros community can self destruct itself

[@skunkface_]

The biggest Lofton L since the bathroom at the old Xanadu location

[@TheStarrySept]

I hate that I enjoy smash because the community is genuinely one of the worst online

[@ClassicBentobox]

To be fair I think Lud and Charlie would have had a different response if Nintendo had said something more directly related to security. With no context, health and safety isn’t exactly a lot to go off of.

[@my_parents_mistake]

As a Canadian this is insane. Not having security for an hour should not matter, what is the concern? Geniun question was there something that wanted to be stolen or is it just security for random acts of violence?

[@snckdude]

It's a strange thing to be mad about. What was he suppose to do anyway? Shut down the entire event without finishing it? Magically spawn a new security team to cover the last hour? If they never hired security I guess I could kind of see a point.

[@Kevinrikeith]

It’s more so there to prevent something bad from happening or from someone sneaking in, like Technicals. Or to break up fights or eject anyone who could be a problem. What could’ve been done if Gimr had paid attention to the hours, was pay them overtime as it is his job to monitor this stuff as the employer and communicate to the employees. Someone else in the thread also stated 4 security officers for a 1300 person event is crazy small as the standard is 1 guard per 100 people. Lack of security is an actual health and safety issue. For a number of reasons.

[@Kevinrikeith]

There’s also cyber security issues with no physical presence too. Especially if they have a wifi hotspot there. As getting to the router puts everyone there at risk of an attack. It’s like placing the red carpet out for a hacker and giving them access to a ton of people’s personal info.

[@snckdude]

@@Kevinrikeith a member of a hired security team wouldn't be considered a VGBC employee. Not all venues have security though, 1 guard for 100 is standard for things th at need guarding. Clubs, sporting events, bars, places that things are known to get rowdy. A middle school will have thousands of students and often 1 or 2 guards for the entire campus.

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

I'm glad I'm not the only one in this comment section wondering why the heck it is apparently expected to have a bunch of security guards at all time.

[@ByoKora775]

Uhm so @thefranChise my dude are you or Technicals going to cover the Juno and Wadi controversy?

[@malonee]

I remember driving to events and passing out in sleeping bags at peoples houses during “events”. Having the 20 year old homies drive us even though I was 15. Odd to think those were peak days for melee

[@yasuke3020]

Man, Ludwig and Moist once again, looking incredibly grimy here. Running defense for child abusers and their enablers for the sake of profit.

[@supernuke926]

Funniest part about this is how you and Technicals have literally become like the Batman and Robin of the smash community lmao

[@lalehiandeity1649]

More like the good cop and bad cop.

[@sonicrichardsrb]

I do agree that tournament do need to have better safety regulations but to be fair I've been to A LOT of events where post 10pm on Saturdays or Sundays there's little to no security. but on the other side of the coin most of that was pre covid so I definitely agree that having increased standards in a world post Madden shooting and post covid is a very important thing, to me it just seems like vgbc is just an org that's been around for a long time just lagging behind which in any other situation where someone like tech does something like what he did, you just say my b go next and improve in the future. the fact that no accountability is being taken is very tilting

[@kusaribruh]

thats why jifour the goat

[@lorenzorobertson9561]

I would just play with friends or play online after hearing this mess, not even go to tourneys. Im done with the smash community for good reason and i felt even happier 😊

[@obesememeproductions9073]

so do you really think Nintendo made their decision based on technicals? they actually have no idea who he is lol

[@omarhasan03]

The fact that he was able to show Double Down had no security is the issue. No matter who did it, the issue is bigger than the name. Nintendo can't afford to sponsor events where security is nonexistent. Technicals was just a means to an end. His name is meaningless to Nintendo but his name wasn't the issue anyway. Lacking security is the issue.

[@carlosrod100]

The previous video this is related to explains this, how it wasn't Technicals actions themselves, but the way VGBC responded to it that got Nintendo's attention and got them to learn about the situation. Franchise then shows how only like a week after VGBC made the response Nintendo, then claimed the whole health and safety issue.

[@tsoprano4891]

Charlie moist and the entire smash community are the biggest JOKE

[@Spazkle]

He's gonna have to go back to the lab for this one..

[@uriyahndoesstuff9982]

I've said once and I'll say it as many times as I need to. Charlie makes good content, but any take he has about Nintendo is braindead.

[@WatchMan70707]

Bro, GIMR sucks. The day him & ESAM just walk away from smash will be amazing

[@jetkirby3981]

Smash community in nutshell, no responsibility

[@iwantanapple1848]

This video rocks but there was no BEN

[@mglikeabossplaysMC]

Can someone please make a video explaining why this is only happening in the US, and why almost every person involved is a brawl player? I'm not connected to the US scene, but you guys have to be doing something wrong at a fundamental level for so many controversies to keep happening. Why is it only US smash and not any other big game with open bracket locals?

[@SilverNightbane]

I think it mostly has to do with the fact that pretty much every top player in the US community is in one giant echo chamber, where going against the grain tends to land you in hot water. Probably doesn't help that they are also treating Twitter like its the real world. That's just my take on it.

[@Sonic-oe1in]

How much you wanna bet these slime balls are gonna get a mr beast sponsor to save the smash scene. Please let this comment age like milk

[@runarhrothgar]

1:35 love the ace attorney music :D rarely hear that haha, and you used a lot of it too .. nice haha

[@K0DA._.]

While I do agree that GimR is doing everything in his power to avoid responsibility, I think that making fun of him when it was the security guards who just up and left when that had never happened before is a little unfair. Still, though; this whole fiasco is ridiculous and is an example of why neither Nintendo nor the rest of the FGC is willing to invest in/give any respect to Smash. Seriously, can Smash players and TO's act rationally (and not sleep with children) for even five minutes?

[@omarhasan03]

Security left at the time they were supposed to leave. That's their job. They literally shoulder no responsibility. They can lose their job if they stay beyond the agreed time in the contracts. It is up to the hiring company to negotiate them staying past the agree time. VGBC failed to do that.

[@mauricesteel4995]

First Rule of Leadership: Everything is your fault.

[@albertwesker4729]

Main fucking reasons nintendo doesn't want to help you

[@SMEARGLEX75]

All it took was one random Lad whom loves doing wacky stuff.

[@luckymanx2978]

I like your video making some needed criticism but your painting the picture like Gimr is a bad guy I agree with all the points you made But you gotta remember this man is a TO of the Smash Community, not the easiest job in the world. I mean most TOs don't even make profit and are kind of just burning cash away for the sake of their passion. I say this because at some point Gimr probably out his own money to make VGBC happen and I'm pretty sure he works like hell being a TO to manage the tournament. If you were working for long hours it's logical that you might forget if something is missing like security, not saying it's right that's fair point you made. Without Gimr Smash might not be as successful as it is. And you might say we don't need him other people can do it. Yes you're right other people can but we don't see them. Remember 2GG, they're not running anymore. Depending on when you joined Smash, you might not have even made this channel if it wasn't for VGBC. I've been apart of the Smash Community since Smash 4, so I appreciate the work that Gimr has done. I don't know him personally but he's not a bad guy heart. Not say he should be the only doing tournaments. If you're reading this then support your local tournaments might be the next VGBC.

[@Ken-wf8fo]

We neeed both Panda and VGBC. VGBC fucked Panda.

[@Playeressence]

Good video man.

[@Chiknoom]

We coulda had the Panda controller by now

[@SuperShadowmetal]

this comunity NEEEDS to matury really fast!

[@HenryZhoupokemon]

VGBC was def in the wrong to let their security walk away, but it’s crazy that people think tech was in the right dressing as a girl and bringing the sign

[@lalehiandeity1649]

I haven’t seen anyone saying Tech was right.