Penn State Is Still Keeping Secrets On Frat Row (HBO)

[@VICENews]

VICE News talks to would be frat boys about peer pressure at Penn State. WATCH MORE: bit.ly/2DXIPIe

[@kcjackson2018]

VICE News, peer pressure is real!!! If you're 12 and have access to tide pods!

[@Dotveoh]

That link is for Dark Matter video, which is interesting but that was a totally misleading post.

[@josht5453]

VICE News fraternity brothers*

[@agoogleuser8959]

Pretty sure he did more than just a Zumba class

[@shanahmed1285]

They made him eat a Oreo cookie from his own asscheeks

[@dennismaherii]

Shan Ahmed Thad castle entered the chat

[@____darrah____]

Guy probably just went to a nerdy frat tbh

[@robrodriguez4866]

Dude is an instructor now.

[@njdon89]

He’s a glizzy goblin 👅🍆

[@nicholas8476]

“Frats are outdated in the era of Snapchat and legal weed.” -Some GDI

[@kylesteinhauser2535]

Nicholas Frats are useless.

[@jordancarlson7338]

@@kylesteinhauser2535 lmao sounds like someone who didnt get in

[@kylesteinhauser2535]

Jordan Carlson I was a frat guy. It was useless, you can party and have fun and get laid without the help and douchebaggery of being in a frat. Also, how hard is it to get into a frat? As far as I’ve seen, you say I want to be in a frat and then you get in.

[@anand8905]

@@jordancarlson7338 everyone knows frats are for people that need friends

[@mritter3874]

kylesteinhauser idk what kind of frat u were in its not at all like that

[@dak4702]

“Frats may seem outmoded” shows how out of touch vice is with the real world. I got to a mid-sized SEC school, 60% of students here are in Greek life. Frats may seem “outmoded” until you step on an actual college campus and really see their prevalence.

[@butterjones6347]

They don’t know shi or choose to hide it’s reality(vice) this shi goes further than just college this is exactly that a lifestyle These are majorly idiots, yes idiots (rich kids who will continue living a “fixed” life with no real responsibilities then it goes on to life because these individuals do keep in contact and have support of their legacy (past Greeks who’ve established wealth) you serve their vision you will be taken care of , that’s life .

[@butterjones6347]

Tigers so much money invested into this frats , these are yes they are your future leaders , managers , higher ups etc, not because they are smarter or handsomer or better but because they are connected

[@roberthernandez7306]

@@butterjones6347 i would say yes and no. the very top of the food chain typically doesn’t have college education and it seems like our society is moving more into skill based hire instead of education based.

[@butterjones6347]

@@roberthernandez7306 that would mean we would be witnessing a revolution Because what you’ve explained is a change in power Never comes easy

[@roberthernandez7306]

@@butterjones6347 eh not quite that deep lol billionaires never have college education obviously was point 1. that ain’t changing, but i’ve just seen a lot more jobs say they don’t care so much about education level in their hiring process these days.

[@adamvanseters6196]

“There’s always gonna be parties, but I more want the connection” lol yeah ok buddy

[@JungleJim737]

Someone didn’t get a bid

[@roberthernandez7306]

@@JungleJim737 oh jimmy boy why did u pay for your friends

[@davecheng4201]

I was in a frat in college. None of them were at my wedding. You don't need a frat to make friends and the relationships you build without frat culture is going to be more real than anything they find in or at a frat house. Am I still friendly with them? Yes. And I liked almost all of them, we just never got to the point of being life long friends.

[@steve19811]

maybe it's harder to bond when you come from different backgrounds...

[@somkeshav4143]

@@steve19811 I don’t think that’s the reason, it’s just due to the frat itself…..

[@buckyoung4578]

That is your fault then. My brothers have been in my wedding, with their wives God parents to my children, and the same for them. Sour grapes.

[@SAsh-zg6ln]

Idk I feel like ur situation isn’t the norm. The brothers I know still hangout together from time to time and go to each other’s weddings. Guess it depends on the fraternity and size. If ur in a small pledge class ur more likely to make some of ur best friends

[@baileyayyy5085]

This is hilariously disconnected from the reality of the situation...

[@jacobs3092]

How so? I’m not American so idk

[@blueblizzard2034]

@@jacobs3092 As someone who is involved in Greek Life, I’ll try to explain it the best I can. The reality of the situation is that fraternities are not “outmoded” at all and are probably more sought after than ever before. If you go to a fairly sizable university, such as Penn State in this video, you’re going to find that Greek Life runs the school. Parties, socials, just fun non-drinking events, etc. They dance around in this video and try and act like hazing is not a common occurrence when in reality every single fraternity AND sorority that I’ve heard of technically hazes. Some to a different amount, but it always exists. Greek Life opens people up to an entirely different world in university, and Vice acts like it doesn’t. I’d be willing to bet all of the students in this video didn’t come close to explaining their process of pledging. Especially the guy who only had to do a Zumba class. Vice just doesn’t do a good job at showing the reality of the situation in this video at all

[@jacobs3092]

@@blueblizzard2034 ah ok thx man

[@SkillUpMobileGaming]

@@blueblizzard2034 And you don't explain the situation well at all, either. You don't need Greek Life, and there's plenty to do in college besides your narrow-minded focus on these frats you seem to worship. Try being less pathetic for a change.

[@msherwood69]

imagine being forced to pay thousands of dollars and drink until you risk dying just so you can have friends... sad af

[@brandonirigoyen5944]

msherwood ur an idiot

[@Jay-cj7xu]

@@brandonirigoyen5944 I think you are the idiot Brandon.

[@Lemonyboss]

Jay I think you’re the idiot

[@TingBunna]

@@Lemonyboss I think you're the idiot here

[@austinstewart2797]

YourOpinionIsWrong I think you’re the idiot

[@jonathanpritchard6464]

I attempted to join a relatively mild and nerdy frat my junior year because I'd become friends with a lot of the members. After going through a bunch of stupid rituals and using all of my extra part time job money ($500) to pay my dues that first semester I was completely disillusioned and left. In many ways it is just paying to have friends who are joined together in a weird, secret cult atmosphere. Better to make real friends on your own.

[@MrBryant240sx]

Had two roommates and both said I should join their fraternities. I asked if I could still come to the parties if I didn't, and and they said yes.

[@jensgronning4436]

This is the typical dumb response about Greek life. Human beings by nature organize in groups. That will never change. The best friends in my life I met in my fraternity in college 20 years ago.

[@Ascension646]

@@jensgronning4436 Yes they organize in groups, but the key lies in what brought them together.

[@jensgronning4436]

@@Ascension646 common interests is what brought them together. Nobody is forcing you to like fraternities, and men in fraternities don’t care if you like them or not.

[@dom0126J]

@@jensgronning4436 preach brotha!!! I can’t wait to rush next year

[@tryhardpker]

They should become "bros" with the kids that are getting A's in their classes. Thats a friendship that will really pay off.

[@providedyeti1518]

I’m in a frat and I got over 100% in every exam I took for one of my harder classes last semester

[@Able_Hotel42]

How do they all look and sound alike? What is up with that?

[@17nUp]

fat stacks no

[@dntv7006]

Yeah and you ever notice how EVERY sorority girl sounds like she has strep throat?

[@americalopez4709]

Must be the excessive drinking and sex

[@lit721]

Cooper Braverman it’s not that deep Lol

[@nameisamine]

Alex Harmon because...diversity!! White guy blond hair, white guy brown hair, short white guy, tall white guy, skinny white guy, jacked white guy - see! DIVERSITY! 👍

[@Bourbon404]

Kudos to this video, it seems pretty fair, reporting as much info as possible (and talking to that president) without jumping to conclusions or making false claims. I was in a fraternity at a smaller school, my chapter was 50 guys, and had a great time. Made some of my lifelong best friends. What I say to people that are on the outside looking in is that every chapter is a fraternity unto itself. I've known chapters, including my own, that would never do any of the crap you hear about in the news and were standup guys. And I've known chapters that are exactly the Brads and Chads you despise, I don't like them either. The "hazing" I went through was mostly manual labor, cleaning the house, and what amounted to team building exercises. The brothers messed with us but it was in a good natured way, not vindictive or dangerous. I think it helped us grow together as a group. We threw great crazy parties, we could get drunk as hell if we wanted but no one forced us to. And we always took care of girls. All I can say is that these things need to be handled on a case by case basis and that they should be held to the same standards as anyone else.

[@worldsgreatestdude1784]

Living at a frat house just seems terrible. I couldn’t live with no privacy and random dudes I probably wouldn’t get along with

[@BarnyWaterg8]

I think my biggest regret in my undergrad was believing in that frat “bros for life” bullshit. You can meet the best friends of your life in a more organic way

[@pmcate2]

I feel so bad for the kids who think they will meet their 'wedding friends'. I'm assuming you were in a frat?

[@BarnyWaterg8]

pmac yeahhh I was

[@dess234]

that’s what I was thinking. I plan on going to penn state this fall and I already told myself and my parents I’m not rushing😭😭why tf do I have to pay you to be friends with you?

[@dtbc2719]

@@dess234 I have met my best friends outside of frat life but it really is just a way to gain connections..I don’t see it as a friend point of view at least

[@glleboy2233]

@@dess234 it’s a easier way to me people. You will find that most people out here are out for themselves and aren’t loyal. Trust me I’m here atm

[@strafer8764]

They said one of the frat rituals was drinking out of a pot that contained semen. I would have walked out the door right then. Just trifling. No self respecting man, especially a straight one would even consider that.

[@christylouis2611]

It's not even about being straight or gay. You don't need to bring sexuality into this. No human being, whether straight or gay, should have to drink the bodily fluids from other people for a fraternity ritual. That's disgusting and unsanitary.

[@saberur66]

i think hes just pointing out that frat boys tend to be seen as "macho" "lady mens", and are homophobic while practicing gay acts.

[@stanislausklim7794]

Good thing I'm not a party animal

[@sabrinawalsh139]

DISGUSTING!!!!!!!! WHERE IS THEIR SELF RESPECT???!!! FRATS AND SORORITYS SHOULD BE BANNED!!!!!!!!

[@Nuevacupcakes]

FACTSSSSSSSSSSS @@saberur66

[@carolynconron9555]

*walks up to pike house* "who do you know here?" yeah dude they weren't gonna let you in

[@JCarpenter-dm1xg]

That’s basically Pike on every campus 😂

[@guymanissac]

screw all the hazing that actually gets people hurt or even worse killed, but some of the hazings stories are hysterical

[@kyle_mutti]

the obvious reason for frat enrollment numbers going up from 2007-2017 is that the amount of students enrolled at the school also increased from 2007-2017 at a comparable rate. Frat numbers most likely increased cuz enrollment numbers went up therefore it is obviously more people but it is expected because the total amount of kids go up. the percentages stay the same.

[@SamsungS23Ultr]

😮🤔🤭

[@Al-ht5pi]

Not buying it he’s keeping the secret too. They made you do more than a Zumba class bro

[@paddylight737]

All I can say about greek life is you'll never understand it if your not in it and we'll never understand the point of view of those who oppose it. No point in arguing it, there's valid arguments on each side. Just try and understand people are different and people like different things so stop bashing them for it. That goes for both sides.

[@johnpuleo3176]

Greek life was awesome in college !

[@garrettkogelschatz9705]

@@johnpuleo3176 best choice I’ve made in college is joining it

[@BuzzLiteBeer]

The whole "meeting people and making strong bonds" excuse for joining the Greek scene is BS. It's for the parties, the validation from peers, and the fear of having a less fulfilling social life because secretly you are afraid that you will not be accepted or loved without this construct. Frats also promote misguided and toxic expressions of masculinity (alcohol abuse, sexual conquest, physical violence, etc.), which appeals to immature boys who are trying desperately to find their place as they try to grow into men. Why these institutions still exist is beyond me. You can have student organizations without any of the garbage associated with Greek life.

[@wakeboardingstudio]

you're generalizing. Greek life has the potential to be something great or be the shittiest thing ever. its up to each chapter to makes its own culture. Might wanna do some thinking bud.

[@cameronbeltram1710]

Greek life at Penn State is responsible for THON which raises millions of dollars every year for a great cause so it is not all just garbage. Yes partying is big however it is not just people in greek life who like to party. A lot of houses make it very clear that to be a member you need to be a good person and very respectful. There are shitty houses filled with shitty people that seems to be the only thing people pay attention to because they are the only ones you here about. All that is talked about are the few houses that all they care about is hazing their pledges and partying when in reality that may be 6 of the almost 50 fraternities at Penn State. If you have never been in one you honestly have zero idea what it is about and should act as such instead of making completely bs generalizations.

[@kevinwhite7729]

GDI

[@patrickaltzner1256]

couldn't have said it better myself

[@nicolea8205]

Marlin Walkup it doesn’t sound like generalizing to me, sorority’s are just as pointless.

[@surajpatil8670]

UCI alumni here. As an international student, I joined Greek Life to have fun and get a unique perspective towards American culture. And I did have a lot of fun, but I am never going to join these kinds of “forced fun” cultish organizations again. We had to show how cool we are and put in a lot of unpaid labor (we were actually paying for it)- it was overwhelming. Also, a good friend of mine in the fraternity overdosed on Xanax and lost his life.

[@tellurye]

Anybody who needs a frat or sorority needs a spine first. Pay for friends? These friends who NEVER have your back, wont call 911 to help you, or show up at your hospital bed to threaten you to keep silent? F that.

[@lionskiin]

Don’t knock it till you’ve tried it, you obviously haven’t tried it so you don’t know everything on this topic, you’re ignorant.

[@thomashatcher3056]

tellurye and you’re also talking behind a keyboard too so don’t say shit, I bet you wouldn’t go up to a fraternity member and say shit. You coming on here to bash Greek life shows you are a loser.

[@mister0sir]

@@thomashatcher3056 most people join frats because that's what they think the ideal college experience is because of movies. But you can do all the things you do in fraternities for free. You can make friends, you can rent an apartment together, or duplex or house, you can throw parties. You can network by going to school events/fairs. People join frats/sororities because they think they need to join it to feel cool or to have the full college experience.

[@glleboy2233]

I disagree. Everyone I’ve met outside frats are unloyal and out for themselves.

[@tellurye]

@@glleboy2233 probably in college nowadays that may be true. But the fraternity protects the chapter, not its members. Like when a hazing incident goes wrong, the brothers will pressure you into keeping your mouth shut, they will say you acted alone, that you have a drinking problem, etc. Doesnt sound like much loyalty to me there.

[@Fr3nchee]

"you're just going to have to trust them"... I'm glad we got answers.

[@bfra881]

I was in a Fraternity at a very large school. It is unexplainable, why it was a great experience. The bonds were and still are stronger than any other friendships I’ve ever experienced. I rushed just over 20 years ago and my brothers were at my wedding, godfathers to my kids and still close friends. We have grown up together and still keep in touch. Out of all my friends that weren’t in fraternities, they don’t have the same closeness with their friends. I would compare it to athletes that played college sports. These people were having the same experiences as you and it gives you community. It’s really what everyone strives for is being apart of something bigger. The traditions brought you closer. After 20 years, I know 30 guys I could call for advise, connections or a friend to keep a secret. These are not things that can just be purchased.

[@6idangle]

I played hockey in juniors and college and it’s true, but that isn’t frats or sports per se it’s having a shared identity adversity and time together. I think hazing to a certain extent is a good thing and Initiation processes are a part of life, military, jobs, school that build closeness, they just need to make it safe and fun. I have been on hockey teams where you can opt out of hazing and just do an extra workout but it’s still close. When you ban anytbing that people want to do it creates a more dangerous environment.

[@Music4EverKanekavi]

Don’t pay for stupid friends,

[@mason9146]

Maybe if men could make friends like normal we wouldn’t need literal boys’ clubs. Frats are dens of alcoholism and violence and they largely operate with impunity because they bring in donations for the school. Im glad you had a good experience but at the point where dudes have died and there’s still little to no oversight, I don’t think frats are worth it.

[@SkillUpMobileGaming]

"These are not things that can just be purchased." Yet you literally purchased them, you dunce. You can keep those fake friends of yours all to yourself. The money you hand them went towards alcohol and parties - the only things frats seem to live for. Imagine wasting your life away holding a cheap, plastic red party cup with only tomorrow's hangover to look forward to. There's more to friends than being degenerates together.

[@SkillUpMobileGaming]

@@mason9146 Very well put, and "not worth it" is definitely an understatement. You haven't even mentioned the sexual harassment that goes on in those sketchy areas. Pinocchio's pleasure island comes to mind. It's just bottom feeders all the way down.

[@stephenhughes7445]

Kid at 3:30 didn’t get a bid

[@alissahowdy]

Stephen Hughes LMAOOOO

[@liamjames9]

I go to a school where greek life is big and i can tell you first hand greek life is absolutely disgusting. 90% of the people involved treat people not in greek life like second class citizens, they routinely torment people for initiation rituals, and exclude people who aren't rich and white. To top things off, I personally know 8 girls who have been sexually assaulted at fraternity houses. The fact that schools still allow greek life to exist is appalling. It should be permanently banned from every school.

[@shan6553]

Do you tell them to grow up and you’re at college to learn not have 4 extra years of high school?

[@maxmallett]

What school do you go to

[@dracowitdastick4447]

It is 100% not like that at my university and has been incredibly beneficial to me. We don’t discriminate on race or money or anything for that matter. My life would be completely different without it. You don’t get to take away all of something just because there are some bad people out there. Your school is clearly different and if you have complaints about it then take it to the administrators and try to make a change for the better instead of taking away something that is supposed to be a good thing because some people abuse it.

[@218maryland]

Ya, sure.

[@jeffblunte]

Oh god. The guys are so cringey

[@pmcate2]

Jeff Blunte especially the ones who are convinced they will meet their wedding-friends.

[@MrRibby88]

Yeah, the guy whop said he is looking to meet his "future best friends".....that was super cringey. Lifelong best friends are usually made *before* college, are they not?

[@TheHexbugfan]

MrRibby88 honestly no not always

[@MrRibby88]

@@TheHexbugfan .. Hey, if your purpose is to meet and hook up with sorority sisters, fine, I understand that. But to join a frat for the purposes of "meeting my future best friends" is cringey and almost borderline gay.

[@Alex-ey7wl]

MrRibby88 geed

[@Richie3Jack]

The most ironic thing I see is I've seen athletic teams, athletic clubs and other student groups haze people far worse than fraternities. But when one of those people gets sick, they team/club/whatever doesn't have to worry about the school shutting them down so they actually call and get them to a hospital. It's chalked up to as some random college student getting too drunk or whatever. But if they were in a fraternity or sorority, it's now a crime that needs to be met with the most severe punishment.

[@somkeshav4143]

Frats are known for more than just hazing, but from my experience, athletes and frats overlap quite a bit

[@ebonih7138]

My sorority leadership was the most valuable thing I got, it’s insane how much responsibility it takes as a student. I’m not besties with any of the girls. All good friends tho! I’m so happy our initiation is chill, frats are so much more intense and it definitely takes a certain kinda guy to go along with it, even at my college 😂 it’s better today than in the 80s and 90s.

[@relentero8547]

Funny enough, it has gotten a lot better 😂 in terms of hazing at least. Thankfully, I was never hazed (I’m a Fiji, so it’s surprising considering what other chapters do haha) and my brothers and I are all very close. The time commitment part is also very accurate. To outsiders (not blaming them), it seems like all that Greek life does is drink, party, haze, and attack people. However, only people on the inside will know what a fraternity or sorority does and how much work it takes to run them

[@ToastyCoClothing]

how come all these bros look like jake paul?

[@neilflack1756]

one quick google of that kids name and you find which frat hes from 😂

[@lisapublic101]

hazing is ridiculous and people don't know their limits. More accountability and monitoring should be done across all campuses

[@commonsensenowplease408]

LOL nooooooo Karen

[@somkeshav4143]

@@commonsensenowplease408 username does not check out, people shouldn’t die from hazing, that’s messed up

[@mattevans9669]

I’m gonna say it Most of you don’t care ab Tim piazza you just hate fraternities and want to stigmatize them.....

[@mattevans9669]

I want smoke with all the geeds

[@wind7519]

Can someone please explain to me why the frat boys here had their charges dropped while those involved in that Asian frat that had a similar hazing death got jail time? Racist much, or am I missing something?

[@ayo0331]

theworldhere247 rac·ist noun 1. a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

[@ayo0331]

You yourself and your comment is prejudice and therefore you are a racist Lol...

[@wind7519]

J Ayon You didn't answer the question and yes, that is racist if that's the best reply you can give. Just because something doesn't apply to you doesn't make it not racist.

[@visavou]

dude i know the urge but atleast not here ..

[@samfutch8994]

The parents probably pressed hard for the charges to be dropped. All of these boys are cloee friends and all of their parents are also probably close friends. Just how it works when you have money.

[@mattallgeier2216]

I live in state college and walk those streets all the time. Visit during state patty’s day, it’s a war

[@PantsB4Squares]

Matt Allgeier I thought frat boys acting like high school children was just in the movies. This proves the stupid disgraceful discussions are true.

[@siinz8589]

I go to a state school and am a pledge at a frat. Everyone knows in my frat of 100 guys that if a girl says there was unwanted touching that guy would be pulled to the side and the shit will be beaten out of him.

[@robshekelberg5315]

SiiNz yeah I guarantee that wouldn’t happen with a big guy who knows mma, and a lot of girls lie

[@CGoody564]

I went to state patties day when I was 16. Friend brought be up. No one bought that I was of legal age, but no one gave a shit. Was a fun time seeing everything go on down there. That was when wiz khalifa was performing at frats instead of venues. I only know that because he played at the party we went to that night.

[@ericamiller4629]

I don't even go out on state Paddy's day..... It's every man for themselves!

[@SOLOIIguru]

Vice, you act like this stuff isn't happening at every frat on every college campus (with greek life) in the country.

[@B3nM0n]

You're right, but not every frat hazard super hard

[@stretch141000]

Hazing happens everywhere, letting your friend die because youre too scared to report it doesnt just happen everywhere.

[@3.6roentgen61]

Cannot speak for every frat but Lambda Chi Alpha does not haze. You probably won't believe but it's true.

[@dubsleffler7508]

PSU student here, frats just recently reopened and they’re just as popular as ever. Don’t think shit is going to change as long as everyone is rich enough to wipe away legal problems

[@KurlandHickory]

Frats are fun thats why I and many others joined one. Hazing is a serious issue but I think we need to respect a fine line. I remember my school would always go overboard with hazing prevention and it honestly had the opposite effect on the frat guys mentality.

[@Sentry719]

I was just like the kids they interviewed when I rushed. I just wanted to fit in and try to make my social life the best it could be. I was too young and dumb to see it for what it was. Most fraternities are expensive, glorified drinking clubs that don't do anything productive. I thought it would be a good organization to develop myself into, but most of the people in my chapter focused on smoking weed, drinking, and partying. The "brotherhood" aspect is fake. You just get a bunch of assigned acquaintances through the rest of your college career. There are some chapters out there that are the exact opposite, but those seem to be more rare. Looking back I was probably better off not joining.

[@jonblaze333]

Dude, ur spot on..

[@SkillUpMobileGaming]

Glorified drinking clubs describe them perfectly. When there are excellent clubs available on campus to meet people who actually have things in common with you - like a college major and academic interests - what good is hanging around a bunch of low-lifes with no meaning to their lives but soulless "partying"? No matter the occasion, it seems the main form of entertainment is just alcohol and more alcohol. Wow, what interesting to people to be around! What a god damn all-around waste of time. And don't even get me started on the sexual harassment, elitism, and all-around garbage personalities they seem to attract.

[@tigerbomb508]

Why isn’t this considered gang initiations?

[@liphh]

You’ll eventually find out that not all of you will get along as you think, ideas will eventually differ, though I believe the process of joining is reasonable, definitely think about the group of guys you are joining.

[@kagerjvi345]

Well no shit they're keeping secrets. Thats part of the whole thing. Your part of something that other people aren't and with that comes a bit of trust. Drinking semens gay though

[@EdwinKlippenstein]

I think that reporter drank a "pot" of weaksauce before doing those interviews cus those questions were softballs

[@rightnearthebeach]

I go there... sometimes to get weed.

[@Odin31b]

Weak people need a frat..

[@dimmondog322]

Dragon1717 loser

[@KhaledTheSaudiHawkII]

Feels Train Really? Is that necessary?

[@34jcub]

90% of past presidents were in fraternities....

[@darkhorseman8263]

Dumb people do tend to cluster. There is a lot of psychology/scientific data on it.

[@adamp8148]

It's blind assimilation, for a false feeling of togetherness... They are weak.

[@kea2785]

“I wanna join for the networking” mmhmmm sure

[@tobiaswilliamson00]

All that plus $200 to $2000 a semester just to have friends you won't remember both during and after college isn't worth it.

[@JPlovesmusic]

As someone who joined and pledged a frat. Hazing can get craaazy.

[@Charlesssssss]

Interviewer really ate that yoga shit up

[@Fhyzix]

As a man in a fraternity at a smaller school, the differences between us and Penn State is massive. There are also plenty of differences in the way national executive boards handled situations in the past and how they do now. Our chapter at Penn State was completely disbanded due to misconduct and every brother in other chapters agreed due to the transgression of values that we’re meant to uphold. I’m not saying that all things fraternities do are good either, there are obviously problems with the way in which some conduct themselves, but plenty of fraternity/greek life activities can be forces for good. Community outreach programs, philanthropy events, professional connections, these are all things I have personally experienced as a member of greek life at my school. The culture at each school needs to be nurtured individually to create this positive environment, and thats something each IFC and school board need to work on together because fraternities and sororities can have some of the largest positive impacts on their school and surrounding communities if utilized properly.

[@PS-ru2ov]

as a British person the whole frat thing is weird to me, it simply does not exist in Universities in the UK

[@georgeedward1691]

Frats are a total waste of time period. They do whatever they want with no punishments handed down. If I was in charge of that particular frat where that kid died it would be shut down permanently! The people involved in the kid death put in prison for man slaughter.

[@tylerchangaris]

People act like Penn State is the only college with frats

[@jrodspeaks]

Tim didn't fall down stairs. He was beat up during "The Gauntlet" -- part of that hazing ritual is when the brothers sit on you and beat you up while forcing you to drink beer/booze.

[@freshtuna1947]

"Frats may seem outmoded in the era of snapchat and legal weed"

[@Geckoinc2]

*BOII*

[@infintecatvids8860]

Ego Banana lmaooo

[@Blakullawitch]

boiiiii

[@jmaarz69]

Gotta show some kai💙❤️

[@carddealer34]

If you’re paying for so-called “friends”, the you’ve already lost.

[@riplonelyy]

I still wanna be in a frat but in a good one I think the idea of brother hood is cool and the bond in all that

[@lolol1725]

“Frat” - cringe

[@zoemartin1761]

Here’s one- my friends were locked, drunk, in a dark room for 12 hours with a wet puzzle and had to try and finish it. They got 13 pieces, a record!

[@zoemartin1761]

and yeah, it’s Penn State

[@Hank_Chill]

So what did your friends benefit from the frat exactly?

[@zoemartin1761]

@@Hank_Chill booze, place to love (good location in an expensive area), parties

[@ca6248]

​@@zoemartin1761 Sad.

[@gworlworldh3ll]

"In the year of snapchat and legal weed" lmao i can only imagine...

[@RB3Vids]

I walk by that place ever time to go to class... what a shame

[@ramontorres5968]

Join the best frat on earth. Marine Corps. Real brotherhood

[@jeremiahibarra6637]

@Alex Mulvihill 1) Capitalize the first letter of the first word of each sentence. 2) "You're not", not "your not". 3) End each sentence with a period. 4) He literally said the Marine Corps, not the Army (also, Army should be capitalized when referring to a country's military branch. 5) You can go to college and become an officer in the Armed Forces through ROTC. nrotc.psu.edu/prospective-students/program-descriptions/ army.psu.edu/ dumbass

[@jakestephano3145]

Ramon Torres bomb middle eastern kids yes

[@iamme201]

@@jeremiahibarra6637 hail the Grammar Nazi! you are the worst kind of person.

[@sabrinaaa417]

Ramon Torres yess! let them all kill innocent middle eastern kids !! Fight for a country that only fights for a certain group of people yes!

[@ramontorres5968]

Yea don’t worry we’ll fight for your freedom while you sit at home thinking about what’s for dinner. Don’t worry wel dodge the bullets for you

[@jaceprovo]

I was in a quite well known fraternity at a large school for all four years of college and while there was some dumb hazing for pledges, there was nothing like this. Wasn’t really a drinker and was no one made me. There were some stupid hell week activities (not dangerous, just stupid) that I refused to do and I was told okay. There are always idiots everywhere but it is not endemic to organization. Fraternities are a social organization and I am still in contact with many of my fraternities brothers many years later. They are secret but trust me, the secrets aren’t that interesting. It’s a social club that gives you the opportunity to have a peer group in the middle of a large university.

[@mattevans9669]

Yeah you’re lying for sure

[@jaceprovo]

@@mattevans9669 😂 -1

[@incognitojon902]

Ur definitely lying

[@dodds677]

If you want to get hazed join the Marine core Infantry I know

[@bryanhansen281]

Freckles pledged fraternity and did army basic, army hazed more than my fraternity

[@Stache224]

Corps lol

[@AMoistEggroll]

Got promoted? Congratulations! Time to get pinned.

[@71hockeycentral]

You would also know that it’s “Corps” rah

[@bomieboda6775]

Or the army I know

[@j4k3vlogs]

join a club on campus, make friends organically. putting yourself in a danger just to feel like you belong to something is not worth it. also, we need to raise our men better.

[@Hunter-lr8ug]

Cool man. It isn't putting yourself in more danger than just partying.

[@microplasticsinurblud]

How should we raise men better exactly?

[@hostiletakeover9503]

Bryson Contreras By neutering them

[@johnjacob4973]

Bryson Contreras by not putting it in their heads thats frats are cool lol

[@microplasticsinurblud]

John Jacob Frats can be cool. Some just ruin it for everyone...

[@GaryTurbo]

I have no interest in a fraternity because: 1. They're only short term friends despite they torture the first year 2. I don't drink alcohol 3. Party scene isn't my thing 4. As a black person, practising anything greek is cultural appropriation 5. I go to college for the education (and to do sports)

[@arthurgearheard4701]

What about a Black Fraternity?

[@jthugg1058]

Being naked in a room full of guys with the lights off was scary for me in my experience

[@RahulPatel-og2ke]

God upon hearing about ‘The Pot’: Noah... get the boat

[@121BACKSPACE]

Lol trust frat dudes ??? Shoot I don’t even trust them with a drunk girl Are you getting the message ........

[@carsonluttma]

“i wanna meet some of my best friends for the rest of my life that might kill and humiliate me right now”

[@SebisRandomTech]

If they think Greek life is bad at Penn State, they should see IUP or Ohio University...not that Greek orgs are good at any school. The way brothers in this video respond and the secrecy rules of many fraternities is testament to that.

[@YoungManDub]

Secrecy? No, they just heard Vice News and decided not to talk to you

[@LifeOfTheParty323]

The guys that killed him got MONTHS in jail. A few even got HOUSE ARREST. Disgusting!

[@mikem4314]

this kid lived two towns over from me in high school. its been so sad seeing all the posts about him on facebook from friends and family. so much injustice

[@markhall3099]

Both the brothers and the university should be held accountable. That's clearly manslaughter. Covering up a death in the name of "brotherhood" is just plain evil.

[@TmoneyProductions]

On the simplest level fraternities are gangs. You have to prove your loyalty by doing stupid shit that risks your life. If the gang feels you have done enough, you then are allowed to reap the benefits of being in the gang.

[@kylerainey6315]

Every time someone says “frat” instead of fraternity, a real fraternity man with courage and self respect... his soul dies

[@liamjames9]

Kyle Rainey lmao no one in a fraternity has self respect or courage. Doing gay shit because you’re desperate to make friends and meet girls is literally the opposite of self respect

[@niceone860]

I went to a Zumba class and wore a pink thing on my head! Lmao.

[@skypeters3034]

All these people want is a family while they’re away from home (and parties) but it’s sad bc they’ll do anything

[@malkavianchild5281]

No one: Vice thumbnail: *BOII*

[@alyssabodenhamer9177]

Schools in Indiana get the guys really drunk and make them box/fight each other

[@keaganbro]

As soon as you say the word "Frat" to a someone who is a member, it shows your opinion of what you THINK a brotherhood represents. Its sad to say that "Frat partys" are sometimes the only way we are known to the world. When we do good, nobody remembers, when we do bad, nobody forgets.

[@viktorcreed2679]

You people do realize the point of these rituals right? It's to weed out the weak. If you can't hack it you don't belong in the brotherhood.

[@bluedaffodil2023]

It's weak to accept being urinated on. It shows you have no self-respect or are a closeted gay

[@akariel123]

Only 3,000 out of 47,000 feel the need to join, it's their choice. They know the potential consequences of joining. Most have the sense to be their own person and not join.

[@nicholas8476]

I feel like this story runs every year at some university, concerning a death at some chapter.. Hazing is always gonna be a thing and it’s up to people to know their limits. Not saying it should be encouraged, but people need to be responsible for themselves at least to some degree. We had several deaths at my university last year, involving drugs and alcohol, and sometimes combine with cold.. And every year they blame the University, Greek life, or both. In reality, people just need to know their own limits and not drink beyond them or use drugs they don’t know... Why does everyone else have to prevent you from being stupid?

[@benjaminrei1319]

because when alcohol is involved, it’s hard to be 100% responsible for yourself with your impaired judgement

[@pepps779]

Literally only the last few seconds of the video talked about Penn State keeping 'secrets'.

[@MrRibby88]

They refer to *themselves* as "kids", which seems quite common with college-aged people today. I stopped referring to myself as a "kid" when I got to high school. Are we delaying adulthood these days?

[@chieflionface9922]

because they're kids, bro. how old are you?

[@davidaward3696]

Who else came here after HBO and Vice confirmed they were doing a documentary together about Bama Rush?

[@averagebloke4474]

I was in a fraternity at Penn State, I graduated in 2015 even before piazza... let's just say it was one of the worst decisions of my life that's all I'm going to say about it.

[@kamelarosa]

Sculpin sorry to here that

[@davidboat8467]

You could have left at any time. Your an adult

[@averagebloke4474]

David Boat not really you don't know that. We had to sign contracts saying we would be with the fraternity for all my college career. Plus I lived at the house, where else would I have went when I was living at the house in the middle of the semester? Think before you speak next time don't be so stupid.

[@miniena7774]

Sculpin May you elaborate upon your experiences, or are you inhibited from doing so by your bondage?

[@miniena7774]

By extension, might I ask how you're fairing as of late? Have you a job? A vehicle?

[@badluckbrooke13]

Lies lies and more lies. He did way more than a Zumba class. If he didn’t why wouldn’t he share his frat’s name if he is so proud of not being hazed and “only having to do a Zumba class”. Fishy fishy

[@304Kid]

The frat guys where I went to are so bad local bars wouldn't deal with college kids, unless you where a local you didn't get in, and that was for the frat guys safety.

[@poptropicawilliam]

it really is weird seeing the familiar streets of my town in a documentary

[@adwftkv3184]

"In the era of snapchat and legal weed"

[@liamjames9]

I got to USC (southern california) and know people in frats and here are some hazing specifics. Alpha Epsilon Pie makes a kid sit in a trash can while everyone throws up on him, and they throw bottles past pledges heads (one hit a kid in the face and he was hospitalized). Phi Sigma Kappa tazes people. Beta Theta Pie makes kids spit beer into each others mouths. ZBT lets cockroaches loose in the dining halls of rival schools. Phi Psi forces kids to binge drink in a sauna. Think joining a frat is a good idea? Think again.

[@MrCoolishdude]

Happened this weekend too. Smh

[@Swooz1890]

*fraternity

[@Cindergirl10]

chi phi fraternity at penn state recently got suspended due to the death of a visiting high school senior

[@destinireid1364]

Tell me more about that please

[@jms2936]

At the end of the day it depends what frat/ sarority you join, and it also is one of the best ways to meet people and make friends in college

[@pmcate2]

JMS just talk to the people in your dorms lol

[@arthurgearheard4701]

You might have a point! There could be a worthwhile Fraternity or Sorority on a typical College Campus! You just have to find them!