Was Captain Rex an ARC Trooper? | Star Wars Lore

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[@barrettragins3659]

He has arc training like all captain commanders etc Arcs will use duel pistols because it is in his camma also it make him epic Also Rex has a different type of pouldren (I don’t know how to spell it sorry)

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Hevy: Permission to take point sir? Rex: I'm always first, kid.

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Hehe

[@Sleepy_Apocalypse]

That line was so badass. It's like Rex is saying 'I always take up the most dangerous position Rookie.'

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Roger Roger

[@chasefulton7228]

He's the alpha after all lol

[@bane8956]

I’d like but I feel like honoring fives sorry mate

[@MasonForge]

Fives: "I've got an idea." Anakin: "Let's hear it, quickly." Fives: *attaches a grappling gun to the bottom of his DC-17, not saying a word* Anakin: "Grappling guns! Good thinking!" Fives: "Get ready to hold on." Rex: "That's why he's the ARC Trooper."

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[@SoapyOnHere]

@Modern Music Second episode of the Tup and Fives arc in season 6

[@askmeaboutsugma]

@Lord Hosk I agree. It wouldn't make sense for Rex to say it like Fives a better soldier. Rex holds a higher rank than Fives. It's in speciality. Meaning, Rex is a captain. He commands his troops. Fives is an Advanced Recon Commando. He specializes in - you guessed it - recon. Rex may have the same training, but he's not accustomed to recon in the battlefield. He may have also thought of the grappling guns, just after a moment of pondering and recalling the training. This is stuff an ARC trooper would be doing daily on the battlefield. It's the difference between it being Fives' second nature and Rex's something-I-learned-in-school-a-few-years-ago

[@chaosenjoyer5703]

Mickley Woah man so cool but I can't locate the entity who asked for that shit

[@MasonForge]

@@chaosenjoyer5703 Woah man so cool but I can't locate the entity who asked for that shit

[@ESFNinja]

I’m sure being an ARC trooper is ONE of the reasons why Rex is such a badass.

[@SuperGamerCody2224]

Rex is a badass just by existing m8

[@jknetwork6211]

WatchYourLanguage the other reason is experience. Rex did say experience outranks everything lol.

[@captrex7153]

SuperGamer Cody2224 Thanks Commander

[@SuperGamerCody2224]

@@captrex7153 Get back to work Captain

[@gigatronusprime]

@@SuperGamerCody2224 You too, Cody. Quit gaming and get back to work.

[@TheWingland]

I think that Rex went through ARC and completed it but didn’t serve in an ARC unit because of his unique leadership skills. Sort of like a naval officer going through Navy SEAL training but being so good at say information gathering that instead of working with other SEALs he works with the CIA. He would still be a Navy SEAL but wouldn’t be going on SEAL missions. Just thought of a good comparisons in Halo Solent Storm it is revealed that Sgt. Johnson in has gone through ODST training but because he’s so good at everything he will work in other ways like advising high level leaders as seen in Halo 3, or working as a liaison between John’s Spartans and Crowder’s black daggers in Silent Storm.

[@talonmassakir9000]

That would be a good explanation, actually. If I recall correctly; in the original EU (before Disney did away with it) there were at least 2 ARC Trooper Commanders who did not serve with an ARC unit and instead were assigned a squad of regular troopers and the other to a jedi knight. Both were KIA.

[@valnerium]

Wouldn’t his birth number change? Rex is CT-7567 throughout cannon but Fives was CT-27-5555 when he was born but later changed to ARC-5555 after he became an ARC trooper.

[@TheWingland]

Valnerium • possibly it could also be that the change to Fives number was unofficial. Maybe he asked only to be known as CT 5555 just as he and other clones had nicknames. Or maybe the clones could officially change their numbers like we can legally change our names in the real world.

[@joefernandez1759]

Ranger School in the Army is another good analogy, I’ve seen soldiers who have a Ranger patch, but despite that they aren’t actively in a Ranger unit.

[@Front-Toward-Enemy]

Box Dolphin Ranger school is just a leadership course. If you actually want to be a member of the 75th Ranger battalion, the actual Army Rangers, you have to go through R.A.S.P. “Ranger Assessment and Sustainment Program” Which is different than just going to Ranger school. Someone who simply completes Ranger school wouldnt call themselves an Army Ranger. They are just Ranger Qualified.

[@isaackim7675]

Remember: Experience outranks everything.

[@aBANDIT.]

Isaac Kim except rank

[@boxingbull523]

@@aBANDIT. It's what Rex tells Ahsoka.

[@smoothcheeky8910]

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[@SephirothRyu]

No. A sergeant in motion outranks a luitenent who doesn't know whats going on. But an Ordinance Technician at a dead run outranks everything.

[@ulquiorra4sama247]

And my foot only goes soo far up someone's ass

[@RayHardman7567]

The kama and pauldron were an option for command clones. Captain or above. It was standard for ARC troopers. It was essentially added armour. The pauldron signified rank and was used to carry extra ammo, and the kama defended against shrapnel from the waist to the top of the calf. Cody was once asked by Rex why he doesn't where the added armour, and Cody replied that the pauldron threw of his aim and the kama was ridiculous. It added a swagger that went to your head.

[@bigshipizen]

He was a good captain that’s for sure

[@Halo_Legend]

Plot armor

[@DC-ru5xz]

And a better friend

[@armandocolon9019]

I like to believe he was an Arc. I remember Hasbro released a set calling it arc troopers. And it has Fordo, Colt, Havoc, and Rex. Colt and Havoc weren’t even full decked out yet. And the background art of the box shows a crashed gunship like the mission from the clone wars 2003 animated series. We’re Fordo and 3 arc troopers with other regular clones go behind enemy lines to take down that cannon and win the battle. So I’d like to think those 3 arc troopers who served under Frodo were Colt, Havoc, and Rex who probably after that mission became captains and commanders or would later accompany Frodo to hunt Grievous and rescue Shaak Ti, Aayla, and Ki. And then become captains and commanders.

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4:30 *gotta love that popcorn mic*

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[@cole_3374]

4:28 umm what happened to that audio

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He's secretly a droid

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Cole_ 337 interference from the Maw

[@TheBlackDevil-im6ho]

6:44 Cody the free and easy personality and rex the by-the-book how the tables have turned in the end

[@charlieleibold5370]

I think he's an ARC because of his position, not the other way around. Almost every example of a captain or higher we see in the Clone Wars (Wolffe, Fox, Cody, Rex, and Bly) all have more specialized armor. They probably give higher ranks like captains and commanders this armor to lessen the chance that a commander will die, as that would be a huge waste of time and money. ARC training would also help prevent and untimely death, as well as allowing for an officer to more effectively lead from the front, without worry of said officer dying and leaving his troops in disarray. Just my personal opinion, though.

[@Julian-pw5mv]

It may seem that way, but they aren't arcs, arcs are advanced recon commandos this is a specific job which doesnt mix very well with being a captain or commander. Arcs are supposed to do recon and gather Intel, which isnt something an officer would do.

[@joelenriquez5461]

+Charlie Leibold ARCs are physically and mentally superior to other clones. Rex has always shown way more independent and creative thinking than other clones even other ARCs. Not to mention that they are stronger faster and have a lot more stamina. These are all attributes Rex possesses.

[@joelenriquez5461]

+Julian even Arc troopers also have captains for their teams, hence like Captain Fordo from the clone wars cartoon. In real life special forces an ODA consist of 12 green berets all lead by a special forces captain. But their never commanders though

[@brothab5900]

it kinda just seems like Rex and Cody were ARC troopers who were just given command rolls. And while Cody chose to go back to the traditional uniforms because he was a commander and would be working more as a strategist, Rex chose to stay in his ARC gear because his roll as a Capt would put him on the frontlines often. But idk

[@darkjedi261]

This is the way I see it: Captain Rex's number is CT-7567 this is what is given to normal clone troopers; henceforth, Rex was not originally designated to be a commanding officer because even clones like Appo who was a Sergeant during the clone wars ( 2 ranks below Captain ) was originally designated as CC-1119, indicating he was originally meant to be a commanding officer. Another is that Rex was awarded the Jaig Eyes markings which were only awarded to one other known clone, ARC Trooper Captain Fordo. This would indicate that both Rex is an ARC Trooper Captain and explains why Rex could never be promoted to the rank of Commander simply because he was never designated to be a Commander in the first place and was most likely promoted to the rank of Captain by Anakin Skywalker himself especially as since Anakin liked to think outside of the box and fought in a very unorthodox way it would make sense for his commanding officer to be an ARC Trooper. This is just a summary of my views on Rex's ranking and ARC Trooper status.

[@ChrisJones-fm6wp]

I feel like this is similar to being a Ranger in the Army. You can go to Ranger school and wear the tab on your uniform after you graduate and its expected that if you have a tab you're a better soldier and leader. However, graduating Ranger school doesn't make you a Ranger. To actually be a Ranger, you have to graduate RASP and actually serve in a Ranger batt.

[@JakeSnake07]

While I want to say yes, the answer is clearly no. How do we know? Because when a clone is promoted to ARC, their CT designation is replaced with a ARC designation. For example, Fives started the series with the designation of CT-5555, which was later changed to ARC-5555. This is something that we even know that Pong Krell accepted, as he referred to Fives exclusively as ARC-5555, and I believe he was called that rather than Fives during his final arc. Meanwhile, Rex has *only* ever been given the designation CT-7567, as even Krell called him. Thanks to this, we know that he was never officially given the designation of ARC Trooper, despite the litany of other canon evidence for it.

[@zachzavelsky8302]

Thanks, I was actually super surprised he didn’t say that. Also it seems that Rex would still have gotten that designation even if he was put into a commanding roll, as at 4:30 you see Cody’s designation is CC(clone commando) even though he is in a similar roll as rex

[@zachzavelsky8302]

Nv I’m just bad CC is clone commander but still doesn’t make sense as Rex should be a CC then

[@DanielSMC01-v2m]

4:30 So we're just gonna pretend this didn't happen

[@neillenhart6838]

Ah thank you the comment I’ve been looking for to make sure I’m not going crazy.

[@OriginalHitman21]

Yoo he's a clanka

[@noname-do5wo]

What is it

[@OriginalHitman21]

@@noname-do5wo his mic goes clanka mode

[@Kasunoske]

4:30 incoming transmission

[@cluelesskhajiit]

I thought that weird tinny filter was my speaker acting up, glad to know it wasn't.

[@attalamarco9761]

Maybe it's a clue for an upcoming ARG lol

[@nitrogrunt]

Weren't all the first(at least in legends) legion commanders and captains given ARC trooper training? Swear that was a thing So no not an ARC just has the training

[@erickrasniewski567]

I think that was the creativity training and free thinking training which makes them half arc tropper

[@rapidshot1000]

ERIC Krasniewski no arc troopers past alpha class arcs where real full blow arcs.

[@mistersmiley9425]

Rex is literally an ARC trooper. Not all commanders and captains received ARC trooper training.

[@rapidshot1000]

Mister Smiley Rex isn’t an actual ARC

[@mistersmiley9425]

@@rapidshot1000 cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/666623674052378647/681722007385014345/rexisanarc.PNG starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Rex He's an ARC trooper.

[@grumpygranny2340]

When you become an arc your number changes from CT-1234 to ARC-1234. And in one episode they said rex's number and they didnt say ARC. but Fives and Echo do have ARC in their number

[@danielpetersen4123]

"Speaking of arcs" - Possibly the smoothest segway I've ever heard.

[@baddiematty5289]

If he went through the training and passed I'd say he's an ARC. As for the "that's why he's the ARC" line, it could be that Fives' ARC training was more focused on the special forces aspect, when the original 100 ARCs that Cody and Rex were part of focused on creating strong leaders through more independent thought and tatics.

[@CloneCommanderCrater1102]

Rex and Cody were not part of the original 100 ARCs, they were part of the 100 clone officers that were given ARC training to make them more free thinking, the original 100 ARCs were Alpha class and were trained by Jango Fett and the 100 officers were trained by Alpha 17

[@RayHardman7567]

The training fives and echo went through went differed greatly from what Cody and Rex went through. Rex and Cody were trained to be the best leader and adviser they could be, while fives and echo were trained to do independent spec-op missions ranging from slicing enemy computers, infiltration of enemy lines, assassinations, and all sorts of under cover missions.

[@baddiematty5289]

@@CloneCommanderCrater1102 that makes sense then. Do all ARCs go through a leadership training segment or just those chosen to be commanders?

[@MrPikaGammer]

@@baddiematty5289 Arcs didn't really need leadership training because they weren't expected to work with normal clones. Like Commandos, they preferred to and were supposed to stick to their own in the background away from the rest of the regular clones. Though I'm sure ARCs like Fordo and Alpha 17 got leadership training.

[@RayHardman7567]

@@baddiematty5289 command clones like Cody and Rex go through leadership training. Clones like echo and Fives go through some variation of it, so they'll be prepared to take on minor command roles like squad or platoon leader.

[@remingtonwells5638]

Rex by far had much much extra training, possibly as much as a Null Arc trooper considering his performance and independence, however he never worked in the special forces missions, rather more just keeping his positions with his 501st regiment, and going to normal battles.

[@clarencebeaks1315]

The last time I was this early I didn’t know if Rex was an arc trooper or not.

[@Halo_Legend]

Anti meme

[@DC-ru5xz]

My definition of an ARC trooper is similar to the definition of a Ranger Tab in the US Army. Basically if you pass Ranger school, you earn the right to wear a tab that says Ranger. So by that definition, anyone who goes through the Ranger school training course will be considered Ranger Qualified, even though they might not be from the 75th Ranger regiment or even the army. Similarly, my take on ARCs is that any trooper who goes through ARC training is ARC qualified and is therefore entitled to be considered an ARC even if they hold command roles or don’t serve regularly as ARCs. Hence, both Cody and Rex are ARCs to me

[@tristangarcia632]

There is an audio bug around 4:20 ish Just saying....but still amazing video mate Love the content as always Have a good one

[@IceBear2701]

Yeah.....i thought i blew a speaker or something when that happened

[@budgetlist6906]

Lousy Separatist transmission jammers

[@RayHardman7567]

All clones were trained to be ambidextrous like Jango Fett was. Rex prefered his DC-17's over anything else cause he could dual wield and he heavily modified them to have a higher energy output with every shot for for stopping and penetration power, at the expense of shots able to be taken with a standard cell.

[@latterarchie]

A key point for me though is that Krell referred to Fives as Arc trooper-5555 but Rex as CT-7567 meaning Krell didn’t think he was an ARC

[@darthcorruptus2511]

in clone wars show in kamino defenses part .. rex himself promoted echo and fives into arc troopers .. which almost confirms me that he is indeed a bloody arc trooper also

[@totallybias2339]

In my head there’s always been two kinds of arc troopers, the kind that were genetically modified(the 100). Then the normal CT that show arc like qualities. Like Rex. Didn’t the actual arc troopers only come out in the middle of clone wars when the facility was attacked? Weren’t they on ice or something?

[@samschellhase8831]

what i find interesting is that their names, Cody and Rex, were chosen for them, when in TCW series, it's stated quite a few times that they choose their names

[@RayHardman7567]

A clone didn't always choose his own name. A name was givin based on the troopers personality and skills. In the season 3 episode brothers, you can see that the name wasn't always choosen by the clone. The only person who choose their name in domino squad was fives.

[@noriakikakyoin1423]

@@RayHardman7567 Hevy also chose his own name

[@RayHardman7567]

@@noriakikakyoin1423 eh. Sorta. The name was more pressed on him than him actually choosing it.

[@russellreday9119]

General Pong Krell (?) refers to Fives as ARC Trooper 5555 and Rex at CT 7567, which leads me to believe his official troop designation as a regular Clone Trooper not ARC

[@DJFabiconcojones]

Think of it this way. Rex WAS an arc trooper.. he was then later bestowed a leadership role as the war progressed. And he adapted to it , because arcs adapt. According to Geetslys Rex is a “defective” clone . (To the kaminoans) The real life equivalency to this would be when a tier one seal becomes a commander of his own squad. Arcs were promoted to commanders and trainers in the second half of the war. Alpha and fordo were Rex’s trainers and commanding officers, according to a Star Wars figure battlepack. Rex got to fight alongside both of them on a top secret infiltration mission on a terrorist cell on couriscant . Rex took charge and led the mission to success. At this time Rex was an arc trooper the real life equivalent of a “ seal team 6 or green teamer” depending on how you look at it. Watch an episode of cbs seal team so y’all what im talking about. We officially meet Rex 8 months into the clone wars, on the blue ball planet aka chridtophis. By this time Rex was already experienced and put into a leadership role as the gar reorganized. Remember for the first half year clones had episode 2 markings. The arcs being the ones with customized armor. Rex is definitely older than 5’s and echo perhaps by a year or two. In clone years it’s probably 5-10. Rex keeps his arc armor but is promoted to a leadership roll in an effort to preserve the last like of genetically modified and bred arcs. The war stretched these bois thin and thus the gar started promoting quirky rank and file boys. Arcs were trained in leadership skills. Karen Traviss says this in her commando novels. Rex is even mentioned in the books as being a a competent and lethal arc.

[@Mamba503]

It’s much like how in the military you can get your ranger tab and not be an active ranger

[@lightspeedvictory]

There most likely is a difference in at the very least Fives and Rex. For me, Fives is a full fledged ARC Trooper in every sense of the term, as proven by yourself about that one line “”that’s y he’s the ARC Trooper.” Rex on the other hand, showed immense qualities/potential as a leader and so his training was more focused on that. Nevertheless, because of his high potential, he cross-trained with the ARC’s to give him a more dynamic look on the battlefield in terms of tactics and strategies. It’s a common practice IRL ground forces, especially among elite special forces units, to both sharpen and broaden their skills. #askeck because the original seasons of the Clone Wars are considered both canon and legends, could we assume that this new upcoming season is the same? The problem with that is will it conflict with the original Clone Wars cartoon that preceded this one (a problem which I’ve had for a long time)? Or do we have to wait till all the episodes are released to get a true answer? Video suggestion/request: X-83 Twintail vs. Tie Defender (Legends)

[@michaelramon2411]

Rex is on-screen a lot more than Echo and Fives ever were, so it is quite possible that Rex underwent partial ARC training either before the war or very early in it, but because of his field duties never had the time to stick around on Kamino and complete the full program. Thus, Fives and Echo are "true" ARC troopers because of months of additional training, while Rex is only a "partial" ARC.

[@FFG_318_Heavy]

My understanding is that ARC is a position not a rank initially given to the fist 100 alpha-ARCs (the Nulls are kinda the same but separate from the alphas). ARCs can have the same ranks and privileges as other clone officers like Rex but their duties are much different. Later in the war regular line clones who showed promise would be given the extra training to become ARCs and replace casualties. Rex could have received this training but because his duties are those of a company commander and not as a part of the Special Operations Brigade he is certainly not an ARC.

[@Fi_Sci_]

Rex had to start somewhere in his career, and considering the point he was at in his first introduction in The Clone Wars movie, I’d say that he didn’t stay an Arc Trooper for long, and over exceeded his Advanced Recon Commando training, not a commander like Cody was, but still a skilled as a leader nonetheless.

[@emenarr]

Isn’t Rex only a captain and not commander because Ashoka was the commander or some shit ?

[@watcherzero5256]

I think of it as similar to the Royal Marines Commando Course, 32 weeks of training (or 13 weeks for other branches/foreign services taking the course) which if they pass entitles the serviceman to wear a green beret and the dagger insignia patch.

[@Icemansam44]

I say Rex is an ARC there is a comic issue where he wore his ARC armor. It saved him and Obiwan or Anakin. He wasn’t allowed to wear the armor the rest of the time. Also if you notice the only other trooper in the GAR that wears the jaig eyes is Cpt. Fordo who is an ARC and part of the Munulist 10.

[@skinnyj123]

There was another clone with the Jaig eyes in TCW, I can't remember his name but he wasn't an ARC and Rex's ARC armour was just a design choice, not actually ARC armour as far as I'm aware.

[@cyrustriveri9809]

Hell yeah! Captain Rex is definitely an ARC Trooper!

[@mckrunchytoast2469]

What you said at the end about rex being an ARC but maintaining primarily a command role makes sense to me. My buddy in the navy and I were talking (we are huge starwars fans) and it's similar to him. He's an ET technician but also has been trained as a fireman, Damage control, and fire control officer. But at the end of the day the training he uses must is the ET technical training. So rex has the ARC training but relies on his command training to better direct those he fights with.

[@Holthis]

You may have leadership of the 501st but we will not grant you the rank of ARC Trooper

[@ryguy9509]

4:31 mic malfunction?

[@SendReinforcements]

In Legends at least, clones came in tiers when it came to independent thought and ability. Your average troopers and pilots and such were basically human droids, trained and bred to be perfectly and instantly loyal and obedient but meant they weren’t very free thinking. Clone Captains and commanders genetic modifications were lessened, allowing more flexibility and creativity but still retaining most of the loyalty and obedience. Republic commandos had even less modifications, necessary since they’d be operating behind enemy lines, often cut off from sources of command. ARC troopers then had no genetic modifications, meaning they were pure clones of Jango Fett and completely free willed. And then the Null ARCs were so free willed and combative against the Kaminoans that they were to be terminated as defective and undesirable, until one of the mandalorian instructors brought in by Jango Fett (Kal Skirata was his name) stepped in and personally trained them. Granted this is mostly based off the Republic Commando Series, and as often happens in Legends some of it is probably overridden by other sources. But by those standards, Rex is not an ARC, he is a clone commander with supplemental training. Being an ARC trooper was not just a designation or a training program, there were clones specifically designed to be ARC troopers that were completely different from their non-ARC brothers.

[@imperialoutback-schuby4089]

I think Rex is an ARC in canon. Especially if you look at the kinds of missions he is usually assigned. Imo one of the perfect arcs in the Clone Wars to show this is the Citadel Rescue arc. If you look at who is all assigned to the mission it is Obi, Anakin, Rex, Fives, Echo, Cody, 1 501st trooper (Charger) and 3 212nd troopers (Longshot, and 2 unnamed clones), only 4 were not ARCs or Jedi which I believe was done to show how tough the mission was as the regular clones died in situations were you have to act cool when understress and conditions that a normal trooper would normally be tested. Echo imo "dies" in this episode due to his tendency to follow orders to a T and thus sticks to the plan to use the shuttle instead but it also shows that with experience you know how to handle those situations, which happens to be Rex's motto.

[@davidhaas3111]

I think he refuses to call himself an ARC out of respect for active ARCs like Fives. I think he used to be an ARC, and because of that he recognizes that there is a big difference between an active ARC that competes ARC missions on the regular, and a captain that used to be an ARC. His experience from missions alongside Anakin might make him actually a better fighter than an ARC, but I doubt he’d believe that even if an ARC told him.

[@chopper3940]

Rex was an active ARC, there was no way he could renounce his ARC status. He received full ARC training from Alpha 17. Unlike Fives, Echo, Jessie, who took the ARC express course and were regular ARC recruiters, which made them a slightly stronger fighting unit.

[@zachzavelsky8302]

The main thing is that in the Umbara story ark, Fives has the designation ARC, but Rex’s is CT. And they show that they change their designations as fives used to be CT until he was promoted

[@americangoombah4015]

2:23 your Canadian is showing.

[@ItsJustVirgil]

An additional factoid might be that Domino Squad, plus the rest of their training group, were stated in the episode “Clone Cadets” to be in a training program to test their qualifications to become ARCs. Commander Colt gives a little speech in a hangar during the episode, and picks out Bravo Squad to run the Citadel first, as their previous run was in “ARC Trooper time” Edit: for the side-discussion of why Fives and Echo became ARCs

[@BatMat52]

0:47 dang that was a smooth transition

[@RobinSwede]

One more piece of evidence to the contrary is his number designation prefixed with the letters CT whereas arc troopers designations start with ARC.

[@MOOSTACHE_Official]

Holy shit, that Galactic Atlas insinuates Echo's survival, was it released before the new season of TCW??

[@izayamartin5426]

I surely do hope that Rex is a arc trooper just because that would be so cool!

[@ariesstorm9577]

Just had to revisit this video (I can’t remember if you covered this or not), but in the clone wars movie Rex is able to resist Ventress’ Jedi mind trick and I wondered if all clones were capable of this or is it special training that ARC troopers receive? I also think Rex, like Echo, Fives and Jesse, is a third generation ARC trooper, with first gen being the Null-ARCs and the second generation being the Alpha-class, in which I would place the three ARC troopers from the episodes “Clone Cadets and ARC Troopers”. Following the Battle of Geonosis Captain CT-7567 may have been recommended for ARC trooper training, he returns to Kamino and this is where he meets Cody (who admitted he was not present at Geonosis), the two begin a friendship that sees them working together on many battlefronts following their graduation and promotion to their respective units.

[@youraveragefan6626]

I agree with the Rex in a Command role theory. My head canon when it came for Fives and Echo becoming ARC troopers was when they were promoted they got extra training along with the genetic modifications given to normal ARCs. Kind of like a Star Wars Spartan Program. I don’t know if that holds up since canon doesn’t really mess with ARC creation at all to my knowledge.

[@RG40RDR]

All your Clone Wars era lore should be Clone Lores.

[@SWTobito0702]

Personally I think I'd share your outlook of Rex having ARC training, meaning he technically is an ARC Trooper, but just being given a command role. Oh btw, could you make a breakdown of the starbattle between the Twi'Lek rebels and the empire as featured in "The Sith-Lords"?

[@ethandeleon9133]

Eckharts ladder is one of the best star wars youtuber by explaining clouded things that confuse me

[@SuperGamerCody2224]

My version says yes Rex and Cody are in fact ARC Troopers because of all the skills you mentioned throughout the video.

[@fGlassmanN]

Republic Commando shows regular clones being trained to be commandos to replace losses, so extra training would make sense

[@spartansam6322]

I think Rex just a command rank clone with ARC training. I also don't think the pauldron and battle skirt or dual DC-17s make good evidence for him being an ARC. For example Fil, Bly, and at least a good portion of the 327th Star Corps had all of that, Fox had a skirt, and Stone used dual DC-17s, just to list a few. Also ARCs (at least all the ones in the show) had dual pauldrons while Rex only has a single

[@macwelch8599]

No, he was his own unique soldier. Probably one of the most talented soldiers in the Republic, fighting droids, Sith, Jedi and more

[@steveleopard6761]

No

[@PJOZeus]

Rex and Cody seem to be almost elites among the arcs themselves hence holding leadership positions with regular Arcs like Fives simply being experienced, elite troops within the units themselves. Rex either clearly has natural talent or much advanced training such as Arc, Cody could very well just be a different class of training as it seems Rex is more experienced with fighting himself and Cody being more Overview tactics commander based

[@ThreeProphets]

I thought we were agreed that TCW is not Legends, as you described it in the video on the differences in the clones between Legends and Canon. In that, you used the absence of the inhibitor chip as seen in TCW as evidence for Order 66 being trained in and followed by choice in Legends. This clears up our contradiction of Fives being able to become an ARC, but Rex not joining him, because it didn't happen in Legends, because you can't really become an ARC. That article about Cody will always be a problem because it was written at a time when they were still trying to smash TCW into Legends even though it didn't fit, but it could still work with the training being separate from actually being an ARC. Regardless of what Wookiepedia or even Chee says, I think this is the best way to look at TCW, otherwise there are just too many contradictions with the Dark Horse comics and the Karen Traviss novels

[@RoderickR07]

I always like to think the reason why Rex was in charge of the 501st Legion was because they are unique group of clones acquiring an unique leader. And ARC Troopers are as unique as they can come. The 501st Legion are able to work in many different types of *Battlefronts* even against overwhelming odds like shown in OG _Star Wars: Battlefront 2_ and where Palpatine's personal Legion. And a ARC Trooper is perfect for that role.

[@demanischaffer]

The long take in the tower in S7E1 is beautiful

[@viperson9818]

Yeah it would seem every commander and captain started as an arc trooper and through their skill level was assigned captain, or commander. While a standard clone have slowly earn since they probably aren’t as skilled. The dual pistols doesn’t signify arc trooper since it’s probably a preference thing.

[@ben501st]

Eck: I hope the Bad Batch isn't its own arc Disney years later: forget its own arc, we're giving them their own show!

[@michaelramon2411]

Does completing parachute training make you a paratrooper, even if you are not a part of a paratrooper unit? Or would an infantry unit leader certified to parachute still be thought of as an infantry officer who can jump?

[@cadenr.c.4346]

So according to Wookieepedia, Rex is an ARC, but that is wookieepedia

[@franciscovazquezjr4550]

Oh boy a new EckhartsLadder video *grabs snack*

[@samspeed6271]

A great analysis, highly enjoyable. I like to think that the Kaminoans messed up and forgot to take out the genes that made Rex so much more independent and intelligent than your run of the mill clone. Basically, he's an accidental ARC in my headcanon. To me, this makes him much more special and unique than if he was a purpose bred ARC that showed good leadership qualities, or a regular clone that was simply as badass as an ARC so they gave him the ARC training. Also, I'd really like to think that one gene that Rex has is the 'badS=true' gene unlike the regular 'badS=false' gene (KSP players will know what I mean for sure)

[@brianholmes1812]

The way I'd see it is that once a clone is promoted past a regular trooper, they'd go through the standard ARC training, and then based on their performance their they would be assigned to command, standard ARC trooper, or whatever other advanced clone positions are available to unmodified clones

[@nameynamename3758]

I think that line he says debunks it, though he was close enough.

[@JekPorkbricks]

He was a clone trooper. And he surely had a great character arc. So yeah

[@ryankwong2941]

Also eck did u recolor your intro seems bluish and doge pops his head now still one of the best intros on youtube imo

[@nullarcstudios8910]

I don't think he was an ARC. Just because he was given the training of an ARC doesn't mean he is one. It could have just been an alternate form of officer training as Rex wasn't bred as a captain. This is clear because he is a CT. Clones bred as CTs were privates or corporals. Of course many were promoted. Clones bred a sergeants were CS, Lieutenants were CLs, and I believe Captain through Marshall Commander were all CCs. Cody for example was a CC. I noticed one of the sources lists Cody as a CT. Which is just false. So I would be hesitant to use that source. I think it's very likely that the training was a quicker method of taking a regular trooper and turning him into an officer. Teaching them to do more of the thinking because they were now giving orders, not taking then.

[@zachzavelsky8302]

CC stands for Clone commando, as Gregor had that same designation but he was only a captain. So it seems there’s a lot of weird gaps of info Edit:while I see clone captain would also be CC as you said(I missed it), I feel being a commando would over rule that in designation so I feel that the CC was referring to clone commando, not clone captain.

[@nullarcstudios8910]

Zach Zavelsky No it doesn't. CC means Clone Commander which applies to clones bred as Catapins up to Marshal Commanders. It just identifies that they are in a command role. RC means Republic Commando which is was used by the Commandos. By your logic Cody, Bly, Ponds(in legends at least they changed his designation in Disney canon and it makes absolutely no sense) and the rest are all Commandos. Gregor was a Captain so it would make sense for him to be a CC. As whether or not designations like RC was used for captains and up, even if they were a RC has never really been established if they had the RC designation as officers. The only reference we have is Gregor. So going off that we can assume that Clone Commandos bred as officers are given the same designation as other officers. Or they have an extra designations. Like it would be CC-RC-5576-39 for Gregor. But we don't know for certain. EDIT: I would to like to add there can be some confusion to this, mainly in TCW because the writers ignore the source material for the Clone Rank structure. Biggest example is Appo being a sergeant at Umbara, yet still being a CC. But that is a continuity error that is entirely on the writers of TCW for not knowing the rank structure which had been clearly outlined in 2005 for standard Clones. But not for special forces.

[@zachzavelsky8302]

Nullarc77's Bricks and Builds yes, I mentioned that in my comment, but also overall the identification doesn’t seem super fluent, as in the source u are referring to, it could be seen as clone commanders like Cody could be promoted to the rank, which would also allow Cody to be called CT during the timeframe of when that info takes place. It still doesn’t explain why rex would be CT and not CC though.

[@nullarcstudios8910]

@@zachzavelsky8302 That's not how it works. The designation never changes. A clone who is bred as a CT and promoted later is still a CT. They are designation numbers given when they are first formed. They never change. Which is why Rex being a CT makes sense because he was promoted to Captain. If there was a CC-7567, and designations did change, then when Rex was made a captain there would then be 2 CC-7567s. But the designations don't change. Ever. If you are bred as that, that is what you are. Cody was bred as a Marshal Commander. And that's why his designation is CC. Just like every other clone that was bred as a Commander. Here are some examples of each designation. And then clones of the same rank with the CT designation. The CS, CL, CC(captain), and CC(Commander): starwars.fandom.com/wiki/CS-2207 starwars.fandom.com/wiki/CL-9632 starwars.fandom.com/wiki/CC-4142 starwars.fandom.com/wiki/CC-2801 The CTs that were a sergeant, Lieutenant, Captain, and Commander: starwars.fandom.com/wiki/CT-0000/1010 starwars.fandom.com/wiki/CT-6734 starwars.fandom.com/wiki/CT-55/11-9009 SPOILER for TCW season 7 Episode 9. You have been warned. For the CT Commander, well as of the latest episode of TCW Rex was promoted to Commander and still is a CT.

[@mick2998]

Alpha-17, one of the 100 Alpha-class ARCs, ran the training program Eck mentioned in the video, on the legends side at least. It wasn't to make those who participated into ARCs, but to help align their mindsets to think more like one, and to give additional combat training. This program was exclusive to a set number of Commanders, and Rex for some reason (This was never explained in Legends). The way I see it, the 'promotion' to ARC was nothing compared to the 100 Alpha-class Arcs, and was essentially a type of 'Beta-class' ARC. They were meant to help fill out the ranks of the Alpha-class, who had been reduced over the course of the war. Because ARCs, similarly to Commandos, were completely irreplaceable, the Kaminoans were stuck between a wall and a hard place. Let the Spec-Ops Brigade fall apart, due to lack of numbers, or replenish them with regs with additional training.

[@arenesadventures2100]

I always considered the shoulder pauldron as a piece reserved for ARC troopers, or at least partial ARCs, since we see the Rancor battalion commanders, gives, and echo with full double pauldrons. I consider Rex, Bly, Keeli, Fil, and Trauma all ARC trained commanders since we see other officers of the same rank without the pauldron armor like Ponds and Wolffe even though they wear the Kama, which I just thought of as commander regalia. Then again the same could be said about the pauldrons.

[@Jagrofes]

I mean, I never questioned it. I just thought he was an ARC trooper that was a Captain. Like how a Navy SEAL could get eventually get a command position and become an admiral. E.G Admiral William H. McRaven who had served as a Navy SEAL, commanding various squadrons and platoons, then moved his way up to Admiral, and chief of staff of Naval Special Warfare Group 1. Is it really so impossible to believe Captain Rex was both at some point?

[@kroganbers3rker778]

I think that Rex has partial ARC training making him more elite than standard clones but not a elite than fully trained ARC trooper. It wouldn't make sense to use the time and resources to fully train an ARC trooper to then relegate them to a leader position. (A parallel to real life is that the tenants and the Army are given extra training but they aren't trained to the same degree as special forces or maybe Rangers.) However it does makes sense to give Rex extra training to increases survivability on the battlefield.

[@greggepstein1164]

My take with Legends was that there was an initial batch of GenModified clones that were made Arcs. These Arcs were specifically used as special forces. (This would have been independent of the commando program). After the war started clones that distinguished themselves were retrained as ARCs, these Arcs however were placed in regular units either as officers or had specialist duty in those units.

[@theamazingbatboy]

It's a similar distinction as the N7 appellation in Mass Effect. You can do the specialised training program and be recognized for your excellence and additional expertise, but you're not obliged to be part of the full-time elite ARC commando units.

[@ok-hc3ci]

Ask a writer if Rex is an ARC Trooper, no. But thanks to that book called galactic atlas now Rex is an Arc Trooper but Anakin dragged his ass to 501st.

[@tophersandow2825]

Here’s how I see it, Rex has ARC training and could’ve been an ARC trooper but was reassigned to a command role while someone like Fives is more of an “Active Duty” ARC trooper if you will.

[@adamstephenson14]

Another way to look at it is 'Arc' is specialty; as is officer, pilot, gunner, medic etc. Having the 'Arc' specialty means you have the capactity to fill that role but doesn't nessarily mean you do it as standard.

[@kingotime8977]

0:47 Master of transitions!

[@thevegemiteoperator5902]

The way that I see it was that Nulls where good and used as they where, so we won't talk to much about them, but the Alpha class ARCs where pretty awesome and went on there own super special secret missions, due to being bred and trained this way from birth (plus all the genetic modifications mentioned) but due to losses they had to train up new ARCs recruited from the best soldiers from conventional units (501st, 212th etc), however they decided that for whatever reason (maybe due to not having the genetic modifications from birth?) that they couldnt keep up with the Alpha ARCs that the best way for them to be used would be as liasons/attaches to their parent unit to increase the capability of the unit and add better mid level leadership (as is the case for Fives, Echo and Jesse). For officers such as Rex and Cody but also including others , Alpha noted that their conventional style leadership was adequate but to make them more efficient wanted to train them in ARC methods more to increase their unconventional thinking and individual skill. So you could say that Fives, Echo and Jesse are ARCs however Rex and Cody are more 'honorary' ARCs in that they have the skill of one but not actually the official title.

[@kylemain235]

I see Rex as an ARC trooper with ARC training with the rank of Captain in where he leads the 501st and recruits and trains other ARC troopers like Fives, Echo, and Jesse.

[@danielwallace9266]

Can we get a video on concussion missiles and proton torpedoes? They seem to be as much of a danger to the ships carrying them as they are to what they are fired at.

[@joeljackson2909]

Rex and Cody both had ARC training, but they aren't ARC troopers. I guess if you wanted to call them ARCs you could, but personally, no. Granted I am pretty sure they have now said Rex is an ARC in cannon. I don't exactly have the same "cannon" as others. I personally still consider Starkiller cannon, Rex and Cody not an ARC, Rex wasn't in Return of the Jedi. Just a few off the top of my head.

[@philippschmid7519]

I see the arc more as a role (like medic or sniper), while captain is a rank. And after getting promoted your role gets less important.

[@DouglasAlexanderRivas]

When I got back on EA star wars battlerfront 2 to see Arc troopers for the first time I thought of captain rex of one since they both look alike and carried the same Sidearm blasters

[@ancalagon2310]

I think Rex is totally an arc trooper!

[@denismurin]

I never thought of Rex’s quote as evidence against him being an Arc. He was just a good officer giving an example. Making himself an example would have been vain

[@leannepatterson8876]

Nice vid Eck!

[@brandonho5266]

Let's say Rex and Cody are ARC certified

[@ShadowWulfGaming]

I dont feel like Rex and Cody were part of the batch from Fordo's ARC unit where they seemed mainline and bred from the start. More along the lines they got the training of ARCs