Was There A Time When Snakes Could Talk?

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[@paradisecityX0]

Well talking snakes do exist. We call them politicians

[@RM-fs8ub]

You made my day... 😂 😂 😂

[@RM-fs8ub]

Only they aren't shining ones. They are dark coloured snakes.

[@Holly070]

...and always up to something!

[@InfinitEternaLovEmmanuel]

Lol! 😂 So true! Good one! 👍🏼

[@dustinellerbe4125]

😂😂😂 I agree with you on this one

[@alexaliciadavis7163]

After reading Reversing Hermon, and Unseen Realm, I will NEVER read my Bible the same ever again! Western believers need a serious lens change. I’m in that process as we speak. Thank you Dr. Heiser!

[@clasvirhodes4969]

Which book are you enjoying more ?

[@erinm3567]

I've been a believer since 2002 but backslid a lot especially years ago. I went through a lot of spiritual warfare in the form of debilitating depression and daily panic attacks. However I've never experienced as much pushback from the enemy as I have since being led to Dr. Heiser's teachings. The Bible has never made more sense to me. Thank you for your care in teaching His word the way it is and not trying to make it less "uncomfortable" like so many others do.

[@willielee5253]

@Erin m, God is a mighty bounty hunter, He Always gets His back, now there's work to be done once we learn the truth!

[@LeavingBabylon_]

I’m in the same situation. 20 years backslid, God returned me to Him. ✝️🙏🏼

[@jasonleveck8546]

This man opened up so much in the bible for me personally! He's opened my mind to concepts I never knew of. I feel that today I understand so many more narratives and what actually went on and the why of these things. Our history with God Almighty and his divine family is overtly supernatural. It blows my mind to know that Angels have sinned so grievously and wrought so much havoc and chaos. Literal Giants on the earth and so much more!

[@chuckw8391]

🙏🏼❤️

[@motionpotionsauce]

That's how you know you are on the right track. I never felt more spiritual attack then when I first converted to Jesus, and the second time when I started wearing my crucifix in public.

[@kattribble4922]

I would like to thank you for helping me see the Bible through ancient Hebrew eyes and not my western eyes 👍👍😊😊

[@lisaproctor7276]

Yes me too!

[@fillmoreranger634]

That is exactly how I see the information he presents. It’s not a theology shift, it’s a paradigm shift. He has been clear on his intent all along. To view and understand the biblical message context through the lens of the ancient “reasonable man.”

[@Bunni504]

Same here.

[@r.a.panimefan2109]

When I was a kid I figured it wasn't a animal. But likeing mythology helped me see what it was

[@r.a.panimefan2109]

Watching this just gave me a epiphany. If the snake is a representative of pagan worship... Is it that possible there is a line of thought that Adam and eve were becoming idolatrous. Christ crushes the gods underfoot. He crushes the serpent. The serpent crawls and eats dirt. Hm? Interesting. I've heard theory that Adam and eve were a allegory for men in general

[@whoevwhatev]

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[@sandracoombs2255]

What a shame that more Christians are not aware of Dr Heiser’s work. I’m currently in a study group and we’re on Genesis. When I try to put in some of Dr Heiser’s teachings - well, let’s just say it’s interesting.!!

[@monarchblue4280]

Please elaborate. Sounds very interesting

[@TheTykus]

The best way to do it somehow indirectly lead the "leaders" to His material. If they think they discovered it, they will be far more open to it.

[@scionofliberty2967]

I've tried doing the same thing. I usually just get blank stares and uncomfortable jumps to another less challenging point or topic. People do not want to KNOW the Bible, they just want to believe what they believe.

[@PreciousRubi]

Absolutely makes sense, since the account of the creation was written by Moses for the Israelites after coming out of Egypt. What better example of imagery for an adversary, than a serpent the likeness of that of the headdress worn by their oppressor Pharoah.

[@garyzimmerman62]

The serpent like creature in the garden it's always made me think that the setan was a Seraphim. I have since learned that he is called the covering cherub. I also like the ending where you talked about God's house being a physical place where God resides, Christ even says "My Father's house has many mansions...".

[@raykloetstra8501]

Thank you so much for this lecture-excerpt. I've been pondering for several years now that Christians allowed themselves to be intimidated by the philosophers of Rationalism and the Enlightenment. Because they accused the Bible of being irrational, many Christian leaders and thinkers began using the tools of Rationalism and the Enlightenment, forcing the Bible into a "modern," and literalistic framework. Letting the Bible speak in its original context and framework liberates it from an abundance of stupid ideas. Again, thank you!!!

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[@jaredyoung5353]

This message is very important to get out there so that the population understands other cultures writing.

[@barbaraknowles8615]

I think it's really pretty obvious what happened in the garden. Satan here was a beautiful being (as described in Ezekiel 28) that appeared to Adam and Eve, that's why they were comfortable talking with him. The "snake" description fits his spritual character as a sly deceitful being .....the same way we would describe an enemy today as a snake.....someone who deceives or goes behind your back without you knowing.

[@now1technologies716]

Here is my question: In Genesis 3:14 the Lord curses the serpent "above all cattle" and "beast of the field" and says "upon thy belly shalt go" and eat dust. This verse seems to compare the serpent to other animals and also how can a divine being eat dust and be cursed to move on a physical belly? Let me say that I think Dr Heiser does EXCELLENT work I just need someone to help me understand this. Thanks.

[@primeminister66]

Great observation

[@rocketman2628]

Mike Jones of Inspiring Philosophy has a good video on this. It's called Genesis 3b: The Serpent

[@ravenwolfwalters3335]

The language being used here is an idiom, a type of cultural metaphor that would've been easily & well recognized & understood by the Ancient Israelites. It describes being struck down & brought low, down to the dust of the Earth & into the Grave, this is part of the Prophecy regarding the ultimate Judgment & end for this Divine Rebel, the Nachash. The same type of reference is echoed using Poetic language in Isaiah 14, a metaphor that paints a picture of the ultimate end of this Evil entity who for a Time was given Dominion over the Earth & those dwelling upon it through the trickery & Deceptive temptation it employed on Adam & Eve. The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers. 6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth. 7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing. 8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us. 9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations. 10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? 11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. 16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; 17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? 18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. 19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. 20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned. Isaiah 14:5-20

[@now1technologies716]

Thanks @Alligator man for the video and @Ravenwolf Walters I think the answer does lie in idioms or figure of speech. I'm realizing how ancient people talked compared to how we talk nowadays. For example Im an African American who grew up in the south and after a good meal people would literally say to the cook "you put your foot in this." If somebody would read that phrase a thousand years from now they may think black people in the south used their feet to make food! Also I read 25 instances of the word serpent in the the pyramid texts and the spells they cast on serpents in the underworld and I get the same feel as in Genesis. Heiser is right about getting your mind to think in the context and symbolism of ancient people.

[@now1technologies716]

@@ravenwolfwalters3335 Thanks for the info. I responded in the comments

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[@NOTTHASAME]

You don't understand the ability of Angel's and the power they had to shape shift. The serpent in the garden is the same serpent in revealations Chapter12. They could be a dragon, serpent but they were all heavenly Angel's.

[@chrishevia]

@@NOTTHASAME well put

[@NOTTHASAME]

@@chrishevia Thanks

[@frannyoaksdesigns]

Thank you! I have a couple of your books I received as a gift! I should get off this phone and start reading!

[@thetheoreticaltheologian2458]

Great video! I also think that Ezekiel 28:11-19 is speaking about this very situation before satans fall. I realize that Ezekiel is speaking about the King of Tyre however, I think it is very obvious that Ezekiel is relating the king of Tyre to satans fall. Obviously, the king is not a guardian cherubim, nor was the king in Eden the garden of God. So I think its quite obvious that this is relating to the event that took place before the garden of eden which lead to satan's down fall.

[@kenmwaniki1331]

He(Heiser) actually speaks about this the series the book of Ezekiel.

[@Chancey464]

Doing genealogy I can put myself into their lives & find records that pertains to their everyday lives. I was never taught how, came naturally. But putting myself into the lives of Israel was a bit harder. Thank you. Common Sense is always the best way to think.

[@Dreammaster695]

It’s great how you explain things I hate how these atheists think all ancient people are dumb even though they are smarter than people from now

[@Jim-Mc]

I think G K Chesterton said something like the worst form of prejudice is against people in history because they're not alive to defend themselves.

[@dustinellerbe4125]

The issue is that there are believers that are fundamentalists and take every word literally. Therefore, someone who argues against this has to argue against that person's specific view on the stories.

[@bipolatelly9806]

Smarter, stronger, healthier.

[@bipolatelly9806]

@@dustinellerbe4125 You're very wrong.

[@Jim-Mc]

@@dustinellerbe4125 For what it's worth skeptics also take the Bible "literally" in much the same way, without context or consideration for the intended meaning of the writer. Both sides have a literacy problem. In other words, I'd hate to have Nye or Tyson as students in a Shakespeare class because they'd probably end up denying the existence of England.

[@ing-mariekoppel1637]

The snake is the tempting voice inside of us all. As it says in the letter of James When someone is tempted he is always allured by his own inner voice but God does never ever tempt anyone.

[@stephaniesuazo6375]

You have taught me so much, Thank you! In revelations when John talks about that old serpent the devil, does that prove that the nagash and hassatan are 1 and the same? Meaning the adversary is the tempter?

[@briancoles1]

If the snake is a spiritual being, and not a literal animal, how do you understand the curse given later in the chapter - crawling on your belly and eating dust?

[@medleysa]

Crawling on your belly = subdued, set lower than other creation Eating dust = a state of humiliation Remember that the Serpent was craftier than any beast at the beginning of Chapter 3. Now it’s cursed into a place of humility. Most likely these are idioms of humiliation. Man was formed from dust; the least important material in creation used to make the image of God. Now the serpent is doomed to consume only that unimportant material, struck lower than the humans from which it was made.

[@edwardwicks304]

You ask a great question....

[@raisonroy2824]

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[@louiskalinggo1721]

Dust= earth/horizon. He can no longer have place in the heaven as he is bounded to earth, yet his nature is eating the earth he is bound to , hence destroying himself alongside it, and in case you don't notice, humanity is created from earth, but not for earth. Should we not grow in every area towards the Messiah, we will revert to merely dust and be eaten along. That's how I interpret it.

[@darrellscholl1651]

@@medleysa you are correct it is a form of degradation

[@eddieboggs8306]

Some birds talk.. Parrots,Minor Birds, McCaws.

[@Bunni504]

They have the ability to talk. Snakes don’t and never had.

[@CASOTTINCLASHDCclashofclansita]

They don't speak, they imitate sounds. They don't know what they're saying. They have no wisdom.

[@eddieboggs8306]

@@CASOTTINCLASHDCclashofclansita Still talk. So why doubt the Bible?

[@CASOTTINCLASHDCclashofclansita]

@@eddieboggs8306 The meaning was to say that the snake knew what it was saying, in fact it knew it well since it had divine knowledge (nachash), the parrot doesn't know, it is taught to it.

[@eddieboggs8306]

@@CASOTTINCLASHDCclashofclansita I was just speaking against the non believers. They don't believe the Bible.

[@jerome7372]

Earned a sub. Thanks!

[@joerivera6011]

I had a question about that too, I saw an master class professor of Bible studies saying why the snakes punishment is to crawl when that's what it does?🤔 Love the way you explain the Bible, it's profound!😃

[@deepfriedohiogravy4756]

When I read that the snakes punishment is to crawl on it's belly, I always just figured that the snake as we know it didn't exist up until that moment. That moment changed the snake from what it WAS into what it currently IS.

[@martinopoku368]

Dr. Heiser, this also brings up the question of why God will then curse the serpent if it was a divine being disguised as the serpent. A talking or walking snake wouldn't be strange since we don't know the form of the snake then. Our anachronism is what would make such reality incomprehensible.

[@thetheoreticaltheologian2458]

The thing I would say as to why we would think that the deceiving serpent in Gen. 3 is because God says to the serpent that it is basically the most cursed being which is what satan is “the most cursed being”. It doesn’t necessarily have to say satan in order for it to be but it can have a word that symbolizes him.

[@saikanonojutsu]

Where can the full lecture be found

[@nancygrogan6082]

I would like to know this as well.

[@kivakarmen8628]

This is apart of the course Dr. Heiser is offering. It should be on his website. I think the cost is like $400+

[@saikanonojutsu]

@@kivakarmen8628 oof

[@duffysullivan2794]

So, our roll as Christians, is kind of an army that is thwarting rebellion aganist the Most High God. The original rebellion is still in progress, has been since before the fall, and humanity is an integral part of it. We are called by God to oppose it with all out heart, mind and being. We are God's allies, along with His heavenly host, opposing all that is not of The Lord.

[@hollydaze5625]

So brilliant.

[@dougmichalak5687]

So what do you do with Jubilees 3:27-31? "And on that day on which Adam went forth from the Garden, he offered as a sweet savour an offering, frankincense, galbanum, and stacte, and spices in the morning with the 28 rising of the sun from the day when he covered his shame. And on that day was closed the mouth of all beasts, and of cattle, and of birds, and of whatever walks, and of whatever moves, so that they could no longer speak: for they had all spoken one with another with one lip and with one tongue. 29 And He sent out of the Garden of Eden all flesh that was in the Garden of Eden, and all flesh was scattered according to its kinds, and according to its types unto the places which had been created 30 for them. And to Adam alone did He give (the wherewithal) to cover his shame, of all the beasts and 31 cattle. " Why would God have cursed the entire snake kind if an actual snake was not somehow involved? I agree that the naqash is a rebellious elohim; we know that John IS correct in Revelation 12-that the being later personified as Satan was there directing the encounter, even though the word satan is not in the text. But I'm not sure I can completely agree that no literal, physical snake was somehow involved. Furthermore, Dr. Heiser, I'm interested in how you reconcile the encounter with the naqash in Genesis 3 with the Watchers narrative? How does it relate? Was the naqash Semijaza (the leader of all the Watchers), Azazel, or was it truly Gadreel in the Book of Enoch Chapter 69:6 (or was this perhaps a different seduction)? I'm asking not as a criticism, but because I'm truly interested to know.

[@Bunni504]

That is not canon.

[@Bunni504]

God didn’t curse any animal. The snake wasn’t an actual snake.

[@theKingsAmbassadors]

My question immediately is, how then did a physical, literal snake/serpent lose its limbs or was it the supernatural one that lost its limbs or both?

[@Lilmorrow5]

I find it interesting that theres an Egyptian God apophis who is a serpent God associated with chaos and storms and destruction. Hes also linked to Set. The Egyptian enemy God who is the brother of Osiris and uncle to Horus

[@davidsemmens2844]

Where can we get the full teachings on this? Or is there a way to k ow the order of the clips to watch them together?

[@cherriethomas9538]

Lord knows we miss him very much.😊

[@maxahboy]

balaams donkey spoke

[@Bunni504]

That because God open her mouth. The Bible never said the devil posses or open the snake mouth. The fact that the Bible didn’t say other tells us it wasn’t an animal. It also said the serpent instead of serpents. The Bible never mention it was normal for animals to talk. The book of Jubilee isn’t canon.

[@I_Am_Monad]

There are a lot of things we don't understand with certainty about this text. But one thing we do know with certainty is that the snake is one of the "beasts of the field" which was brought to Adam by God. Adam named the snake a "snake," and in his turn Adam found him unsuitable to be his partner in the task of keeping the garden. We read the aforementioned details in the first part of the story (what today is numbered Genesis 2:18-20). The snake CANNOT be a supernatural creature, as the text says specifically that it is the wisest of "the beasts of the field." In the Hebrew, the play on words here is something like this: the snake (himself naturally "naked" in appearance and rumored to be immortal through the renewal of is naked skin by ancients) is the creature to which things "are exposed" (often translated, "crafty"). The man and his wife are "exposed," but don't "know" enough yet to be ashamed of their condition. In their state of "not knowing," these two will tend the garden. When the couple have their "eyes opened," they discover what God and the snake "knew" all along, that the man and his woman can "know" one another when their state is "exposed." Once their condition is "known" to them, offspring will follow and their job description and place of employment will have to be amended. In other ancient texts, the tree of knowledge and/or immortality is associated with a winged serpent called a "seraph." This word has ideas of "fire" and "flying" and "hissing" in its various forms. The word for "snake" derives from "fire" and "burning (sensation)." Isaiah combines the two words into a single description of a six-winged serpent who attends Yahweh in Isaiah's vision (chapter 6). It may be that in earlier versions of the biblical story, the snake was more clearly identified with a winged animal which God punishes by stripping him of his wings and forcing him to crawl on the ground from that time forward. That the Genesis story is developed from earlier Mesopotamian tales featuring a seraph is highly probable; that the Genesis writer (J) still had a seraph in mind in his own iteration of the tale is possible but uncertain.

[@eliyahukonn3245]

Ancient people knew metaphors and that the snake was talking like you talk to yourself when you say, "should I do this or not?". Why is it so hard to see the simplest thing...... Because you don't want to.

[@davidfaumuina9866]

Wrong, Adam and Eve hadn't fallen yet. So they would not have had the duality of thought.

[@eliyahukonn3245]

@@davidfaumuina9866 Hogwash. You don't give an instruction with a penalty for violating that instruction if there is no freedom of choice.

[@DairangerSentai7]

@@eliyahukonn3245 that's cow dung. If course you do! Please elaborate

[@eliyahukonn3245]

@@DairangerSentai7 Elaborate on what?

[@patricktilton5377]

Hebrew N-Ch-Sh refers to the verb to Hiss and/or to Whisper. Serpents make hissing noises, so a serpent can be termed a 'nachash' . . . but so, too, can a Man (or manlike being) who whispers. The Hebrew language doesn't distinguish between hissing and whispering, the way the English language does. The way I see it, the Whisperer is cursed for 'tempting' Eve by being transformed into a literal serpent -- made to become not just a Whisperer but now a Hisser. This transformation is similar to the stories Ovid tells in his METAMORPHOSES, like how Daphne becomes the laurel tree or how Arachne becomes the spider. The Whisperer becomes the Hisser -- and the same word (in Hebrew) is used for both.

[@Bunni504]

Thank you.

[@maxavail]

I cannot understand how it's possible for members of the Divine Council to rebel. How did these members come to be members ? Not by merit ? And if by merit, then how can anyone fall and become corrupt after having earned their merit through pain and suffering, as we all know it's how it's being done ? How does one fall after having learned the full truth and seen God face to face ?

[@soulmanatwar8122]

I appreciate the gift God has bestowed on you , that you would share it with the world , the clarity is amazing Although I don't believe in a three in one God that all powerful and all knowing ,,ECT, so many representations of God being summed up in a trinity ,,, maybe it's just me

[@willielee5253]

@SoulMan, Matthew 3:16 all three in one is Jesus Christ. Hear Israel, the Lord, the Lord our God is One.

[@VaxtorT]

We also have to understand that simply because we do see strange manifestations of animal like divine beings now, that such did not occur in time past. Modern man incorrectly assumes that he is so much more intellectually enlightened than were ancient peoples. That is true to some extent; but definitely not entirely so. We'd be hardpressed to even duplicate a lot of their architectural achievements such as the pyramids and polygonal stone masonry. We have only recently figured out possible recipe for Roman cement.

[@Controle9165]

What about the donkey who talks which is backed up by Peter?

[@styles_furious]

When the donkey saw the Angel of the Lord, she lay down under Balaam, so Balaam was angry and he struck the donkey [a third time] with his staff. And the Lord opened the mouth of the donkey, and she said to Balaam, “What have I done to you that you have struck me these three times?” Then Balaam said to the donkey, “Because you have made a mockery of me! If there had been a sword in my hand, I would have killed you by now!” The donkey said to Balaam, “Am I not your donkey on which you have ridden all your life until this day? Have I ever been accustomed to do so to you?” And he said, “No.” Numbers 22:27‭-‬30 AMP

[@mariannedippenaar8488]

Thanks so much

[@davidsarkar6668]

Loved this video, agree with it completely

[@cooldonnyd8647]

where can I find the whole video?

[@stevenvelez1717]

I agree, but... my only question is: what about books like Jubilees? I definitely don’t regard it as scripture. (Reading it seems like Genesis fan fiction) However, it does say that all the animals spoke and then stopped after the serpent incident. Doesn’t a book like this truly put you into the mind of the ancients? Looking at it as fanfic definitely does make it make sense to me in my head, because they wouldn’t try to come up with careful interpretations, but creative ones.

[@stevenvelez1717]

That way of looking at it satisfies me, honestly. Jubilees makes sure to have all the major details from Genesis then runs wild with extra details. Like the 1000 years is a day, and explaining that Adam didn’t reach a thousand years of life, so God was right. Sounds like an ancient interpretation of Genesis. Fanfic definitely does get creative and reading it through that lens makes sense to me.

[@rocketman2628]

Is the serpent equal in power to the pagan _gods_ of the nations or is the serpent the most powerful divine council member? Is he a seraphim?

[@adegbeyekayodecoadegbeye8077]

Who says serpent in Eden was snake as in Webster's dictionary? It didn't begin to crawl until God cursed it - or it him? And for the record, didn't Balaam's donkey talk?

[@kpballa1009]

Exactly. So this guy has to make up or at least find something to explain the donkey talking. "based on how the ancients would have read about a donkey talking.... the ancients knew donkeys don't talk.. This isn't normal.. the gods must be up to something.." Basically according to this guy, writings of people a few thousand years later than when the event took place determine what actually took place.

[@monikal.8459]

@@kpballa1009 You are so right. Very good observation.

[@chriscarey1478]

The bible interprets it's self in simplicity. Several places God calls his children trees( we have a trunk and limbs ). The trees in the garden were the One who would become Jesus the Christ, and Lucifer( "that old dragon", " the adversary", "serpent". Serpent IN the tree refers to Lucifer's intentions,mind,character, in his body(tree). God Himself says He is like a giant fir tree. Jesus the tree of life. Kings under judgement- trees cut down. King's children- branches/twigs. Trees of the earth- humanity.

[@rogerweir1772]

Snakes(Pharisees, Saducees, Scribes, Teachers of the Law etc etc)The whole of the Old Covenant was prophetic for 1st century events.

[@mariusbothma5863]

In the Apocalypse of Abraham he describes it as angel with the countenance of a serpent....

[@nad-vi7wt]

Does it could mean that the rebelion of the angels was before genesis 3

[@zionconstructiongeneralser5949]

Adam's communication with the serpent and other creatures is explained in the book unspoken things the enlightenment

[@Bunni504]

That book isn’t canon.

[@DonaldBuckley7202]

Here's my problem with your assumptions. First, the world in which Adam lived is unknown to us. How different was a sinless world from the world of today in which the power of the judgments of God produced the separation of Pangea and the flood of Noah and the resulting localized "ice ages" etc? Is it possible that when the Bible refers to the serpent as "more cunning" than any other wild creatures in the earth that an actual physical creature is present? One which did not look anything like a snake winding through the branches of the forbidden tree? Of course, it is. So, later in the scriptures, it is revealed that the Nahash was either influencing the speech of this creature or speaking directly through it exactly as the Nahash was speaking through Peter and earned a direct rebuke from Jesus for presuming to take the lead in Jesus' earthly mission. Why would it be impossible to believe that animals once spoke? "Then the LORD opened the mouth of the donkey, and she said to Balaam, "What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times?"" - Num 22:28 NKJV The word "opened" is "pāṯaḥ" which literally means "to loosen." This was not a creative miracle. This is a loosening of something presumed to have been restrained. Is it possible, rhetorical of course, that God chose to shut down speech through animals after the fall of man? God knew that because of sin men would begin to curse Him. Perhaps, God didn't want to deal with the animals cursing also and so, by shutting down their speech capacity, He could focus on what was ultimately important - man.

[@Bunni504]

But the Bible verse never said any other. It just said any which means it is not an animal or part of the animal kingdom. And snakes aren’t cunning and never had been.

[@Bunni504]

Here is a problem with your assumption. Nowhere in the Bible did it mention that animals could talk or that it was normal. We know it never happened because the Bible never mention it. The book of Jubilee isn’t canon. The Bible itself never said that animals mouths were shut or that they use to spoke. That donkey spoke because God made it spoke. The Bible didn’t say the devil cause the snake to speak. It was a snake like being. Not an actual snake.

[@Bunni504]

The devil never spoke through Peter. He just whisper in his ear. Also even if we did. We have a voice box. Snakes never had one.

[@DonaldBuckley7202]

@@Bunni504 To speak rudely, as you speak, here's the problem with your assumption. "We know it never happened because the Bible never mention it." This is an argument from darkness. There are trillions of things the bible never mentions that have indeed happened. You completely ignore Num 22:28 cited above. The donkey spoke. In fossil records, there are more than one species of serpent that has "vestigial" vocal cords. The Nahash, serpent in Hebrew, we are told was the "anointed cherub." The Cherubim are a subset of the angelic beings that are known as fiery, feathery, flying serpents that are of the throne guardian class of angels. It is unfortunate that you are not acquainted with this very well-known information.

[@wadespoint]

What about the talking donkey ?

[@Bunni504]

Only because God open her mouth. The Bible never said the devil open the snake mouth or posses the serpent.

[@Howie47]

My 2 cents: The serpent had legs before God made him to crawl on his belly, (and that may not have been instantaneous) In Hebrew serpent also meant to "hiss". Lizards, crocks, maybe dino's all "hiss". An angel spoke through a donkey in the old testament, and through other objects like the burning bush, whirlwind etc.. So I don't see any problem with a super natural being speaking through something. I once heard a voice talk to me through a electric fan, but I was on a powerful hallucinate at the time. Which doesn't mean the fan wasn't talking, just that others couldn't hear it. Anyway this atheist protest about talking snakes is just more, "swallowing camels and choking on gnats." At least in my estimation.

[@Bunni504]

Yeah but the Bible never mention how the devil spoke through the snake or posses it.

[@borisdisko4322]

Enoch 69:6 And the name of the third (chiefs of their Angels) is Gadreel; this is the one that showed all the deadly blows to the sons of men. And he led astray Eve. And he showed the weapons of death to the children of men, the shield and the breastplate, and the sword for slaughter, and all the weapons of death to the sons of men.

[@johnlinakis3452]

No deferred from comic's Donald duck Tom and Cherry and Sylvestro

[@davidthomas1467]

What about after that when God told the Serpent there will be enimity between you and the woman and you will be trodden under foot

[@styles_furious]

Fallen seraphim /spirit (serpent). Serpent was a physical body for the seraphim to enter in a physical world.

[@styles_furious]

@danin8756 I don't think they were startled. We communicate with our pets now. I believe they had a different understanding of the world around them before the fall

[@bobbyathol4720]

Then explain why in the Book of Jubilees; Adam and Eve were expelled from the Garden of Eden, the mouth of all the beasts and cattle and birds and whatever walked or moved was stopped from speaking because all of them used to speak with one another with one speech and one language?

[@Bunni504]

It’s not canon. There explain.

[@barbaralouisebenjamin5918]

What was the first and second question? The clip starts mid sentence.

[@Rasputinshome]

Not with a capital G; lesser created divine beings. Radically different than the one true God.

[@housefulify]

To me the snake in the tree tell me that this is some type of being ,and to me it tell me what spirit was in this being.

[@mygvmtnamepublicallyavailable]

I wonder what human story telling would have been like if the snake cousin, the Mosasaur, was still around for humans to see?

[@NateStrikesAgain]

Is the whole talk available?

[@NOTTHASAME]

Serpents talked just as Angels talked , they were the same except one was banned from heaven. Both have the ability of shape shifters. Just as the Angels that warned Lot that God was going to destroy the city of Sodom and Gomorrah, the Angel's showed up as regular looking men.

[@BydoEmpire73]

Or, perhaps more simply, the ancient people understood *what the story was trying to tell them*. These myths weren't - and weren't meant to be - taken literally. A deeper meaning is conveyed through story and symbolism and imagery. To a large degree I think we've lost that in our modern, scientific, world (and its polar opposite - literalist religiosity). "Either it's true and factual, or it's meaningless." They miss the point. The point isn't the story, the point is what the story is trying to teach you. "The menu isn't the meal" so to speak. Perhaps ancient people were ahead of us in that kind of understanding and communication.

[@kaylaisjezebel6397]

Adam and eve was in the magic mushroom part of the garden of eve and started hearing the talking snake 🐍

[@howardpowell7664]

So why did God curse the snake make him crawl on its belly?

[@Bunni504]

He didn’t. The crawling on its belly was symbolic. Legless lizards also crawl on their belly.

[@str8nauto]

A walking, Hebrew talking snake with vocal chords and ears, that knows what god knows. Mmmmk

[@Mimijat]

He’s right. You’ll never read your Bible the same again. 😉

[@wondery6693]

Maybe the original saying "Snake in the grass" came from Moses time, meaning bad doer/ liar. Moses may have wrote using that as symbolic for who tempted Eve rather than a fallen Angel. I am shocked Moses would not have questioned asking..A serpent? Moses questioned many things.

[@thruthebook]

Oh, but what about the donkey that talks? Did you know that some animals have all the body parts to talk and that humans can't talk unless they associate by about age 2?

[@estebansteverincon7117]

Regardless, it still says: Now the serpent was more subtile than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he *said* unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

[@Dnelms11]

So if the ancient people weren't stupid and clearly understood what they saw, what they experienced, and then wrote it down; then why the push for Doctrine of Accommodation? How can you argue both perspectives and not present yourself as hypocritical and picking and choosing what the text says?

[@DairangerSentai7]

Doctrine of what?

[@KC-fb8ql]

The man is cursed to a life of toil to survive, the woman is cursed to pain in childbirth and the serpent cursed to slither upon the earth. Why do we spiritualize one and not the others? Why wouldn’t they have believed the description as it is given? The Greeks, Romans, Egyptians all had stories that are equally unbelievable (to modern readers) yet many believed them.

[@InDaClub12]

Very good point, well put.

[@slash4216]

Josephus believed that all species could speak the same language in the beginning. Philo believed it to be a serpent with legs.There were definitely differing opinions in the second temple era. Jesus and the biblical authors did know it to be something more than that. And that belief is the correct belief.

[@Bunni504]

Just because he believe≠correct. Jesus never mention how normal it was for animals to talk. The book of Jubilee isn’t canon.

[@slash4216]

@@Bunni504 Jesus not mentioning something that didn't even matter in his mission does not mean they didn't speak. Or that they did speak.

[@estimatingonediscoveringthree]

...animal communicate with humans...sounds crazy but have you seen people talk to their pets?! It’s expected that communication is happening, albeit non verbal, it’s all but verbal..therefore it seems as though there is a past presidencies in our genome/instinct

[@eraldojl]

Jesus Grace is Enough ✝️

[@robertnewell4054]

*Getting wiser with the help of Dr. Heiser* Proverbs 3:11-15 KJV 11 My son, despise not the chastening of the Lord; neither be weary of his correction: 12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth. 13 Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding. 14 For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver, and the gain thereof than fine gold. 15 She is more precious than rubies: and all the things thou canst desire are not to be compared unto her.

[@Bunni504]

People who disagree with him in his newest video about the “talking snake” need to watch this.

[@jamesandannschmitt6835]

When Moses met with God in the tent of meeting did God have Moses write this in a way that the Israelites would have understood based on living in Egypt so long?

[@couerleroi1]

Talking snakes are.symbolic

[@isaiahbraxton6171]

Great video Dr heiser I appreciate all of your of work thank you for helping me understand scripture 😎👊

[@ferrywijaya2557]

One of God's council member, who sat with Him, becomes a traitor... Sounds familiar, eh?

[@TheEverydayManChannel]

If it's not a snake, why does the author place it among the "beasts of the field"?

[@Bunni504]

If it wasn’t a snake why didn’t the writer mention the word other after any?

[@Bunni504]

If it was not a snake. Why does it say the serpent instead of serpents?

[@wendykrikke5982]

What about the donkey

[@Bunni504]

God cause it to speak. The Bible never mention how the devil cause the snake to speak or posses it.

[@kennethgreifer5123]

There was a talking donkey in the Bible and a man who was swallowed by a large fish, but there can't be a talking snake in the garden of Eden. That would just be silly. Right? I mean God can't do that kind of stuff. It is impossible. It would be like miracles can happen.

[@seppukudaily5902]

What about the donkey?

[@DairangerSentai7]

U seen shrek, right?

[@philipmaxim7804]

Genius.

[@chrishevia]

If the God's word says the snake spoke then the snake spoke.

[@johnbrodeur3528]

And the lamb of God took away the sins of the world

[@chrishevia]

@@johnbrodeur3528 Amen brother, Balaam's donkey spoke AND Book of Jubilees 3:24 says: And on that day was closed the mouth of all the animals and of the beasts and of the birds and of whatever walks and of whatever moves, so that they could not speak; for they all had spoken with each other one lip and one tongue.

[@Bunni504]

@@chrishevia That book isn’t canon.

[@Bunni504]

Expect that it wasn’t an actual snake because it didn’t say the word the other after any. Which means it wasn’t apart of the animal kingdom. The donkey spoke because God open her mouth. The Bible didn’t say how the devil possess or open the snake mouth. The Bible never mention a talking snake. It was never a snake at all. Yes they crawl on their belly but so do legless lizards.

[@JALEMYmeservey]

It makes sense that the serpent in the garden was not simply a serpent but an incarnation of Satan. Twice in Revelation Satan is referred to as "the serpent of old". What else could that be referring to other than the serpent in the garden? What else could that mean other than that it was Satan himself?

[@aliasindadip]

When reading the bible, how do one know the difference between when the Bible is being literal or not?

[@stevedyches4635]

If it sounds ridiculous, nonsensical, unrealistic, or unnatural, it is likely not meant to be taken literally.

[@aliasindadip]

@@stevedyches4635 that’s understandable but there are things in the Bible that leaves little to no room for interpretation

[@stevedyches4635]

@@aliasindadip Like what?

[@aliasindadip]

@@stevedyches4635 the talking serpent in genesis. Animals don’t talk and the snake was indeed cursed in a very literal way, and ironically it wasn’t cursed not to talk again.

[@stevedyches4635]

@@aliasindadip I've never known anyone to mention that about it still being able and allowed to talk, good point and observation. I think the story has to do with our ability and inclination to talk ourselves into doing what we strongly desire to do even if we know or believe it is wrong, and also to talk others into things. We can easily justify our choices and pass the blame. That inner voice that we debate with from time to time can be very persuasive and enticing. Some refer to that as the Devil inside. So, that inner and adversarial voice will likely always be there to some degree. Think of it as two of you in one head competing for control or dominance when balance or harmony is better than enmity or conflict. The more we give in to that voice, the more powerful it becomes.

[@opalgrace6968]

Just finished supernatural time to buy unseen realm

[@juancarlosaliba4866]

Thank you Dr. Heisser! I swear I won't read the Bible through modern lenses again thanks to you! It needs to be read through ancient lenses to know what it really teaches and its going to take a lot of hard work and hard readings.

[@WalterRMattfeld]

(15 September 2024) Dr. Heiser noted that Eden' serpent was not a simple snake, it was a supernatural being! He was right! But, for the wrong reason! Genesis 1-11, according to some scholars, is in response to, and in refutation of, ANCIENT Sumerian accounts of WHY MAN DOES NOT POSSESS IMMORTALITY! The Sumerian account is called by scholars, Adapa and the South Wind. This account was found in the archives of pharaoh Akhen-Aton, at his capital, in Egypt, in Babylonian script. Adapa is warned by his god E-A of Eridu not to consume the bread of death or water of death to be offered him by Anu in heaven, or he will die! When Nin-gish-zida on behalf of Anu, offers Adapa the said items, Adapa refuses to consume them, obeying E-A's warning! Anu laughs when he realizes Adapa will not consume the bread of life and water of life, believing they are the food of death. So, Man lost out on obtaining immortality because he obeyed his lying god, E-A of Eridu! Genesis' author is refuting this Sumerian account of why man is not immortal! Man (Adam and Eve) DISOBEYED GOD'S WARNING AND ATE THE FORBIDDEN FOOD! So, where is Eden's Serpent in the Adapa and South wind account? Nin-gish-zida is a gate guard at Anu's heavenly abode. On Anu's behalf, Nin-gishzida urged on Adapa the food conferring immortality. In art, Nin-gishzida is portrayed as a human-being, bearded, two hands, human legs and feet. From his two shoulders arise two heads of Serpent-dragons. Nin-gish-zida in art, is also portrayed as a Serpent-dragon with four feet, two wings, two horns, scaly body and tail. Ningishzida LOOSES HIS TWO HUMAN FEET WHEN HE TAKSE ON THE FORM OF A SERPENT DRAGON! WHEN TAKING ON A HUMAN FORM, THE SERPENT-DRAGON LOOSES ITS FOUR FEET, TAKING ON TWO HUMAN FEET! Nin-gish-zida is at home in three realms: (1) Edin the Under World. (2) Edin on the Esarth's surface (today's Iraq). (3) In Heaven, as Anu's gate guard. In the Bible Satan is at home in three realms, the Earth, Hell, and Heaven (cf. the book of Revelation). Surprisingly, not many scholars are aware of all this!

[@scottvanslyke4147]

Then why did the author of Genesis go on to write that the snake would have to crawl on his belly as punishment???? Why add that little tid bit of it wasn’t a real snake?

[@Bunni504]

Maybe it was something that wasn’t supposed to be taken literally. Plus the legless lizards also crawls on its belly. They use to have legs.

[@Bunni504]

Why didn’t the Bible said any other instead of any if it was talking about an animal? Why did it said the serpent instead of serpents?