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[@SILVERCHARGEDS]

Glad you figured this out. These cars are starting to get miles on them now and it was only a matter of time that these issues would be everywhere. You just saved a headache or two with this knowledge.

[@frozenstang3868]

That was my hunch which is why i opted for a new housing with my TSS gears. I did not test the old housing but i did test the new housing for movement. Glad this info is getting out there. Kinda weird to put new gears in an old housing, not something we ever did on pushrod V8's though a pump was only 50 buck lol

[@SpeedAddict731]

It’s very good information to have. If I would have known this previously I would have been using new pumps all along. Always learning when it comes to stuff like this.

[@frozenstang3868]

@@SpeedAddict731 yes learning is a constant battle this is the good side of the internet.funny how things play out but when I was doing my analysis the old pump had that play and I just got a new pump and put it out of my mind not sure why I didn't finish the thought. Those gears run a close tolerance I did sort of nose about why their were no alignment dowels or shouldered bolts which is when I realized the housing centered it the crank must flex a bit and wear those tabs over time I only had 20k miles on mine

[@scottsigmon926]

Thanks for this very important information Ken. You are definitely a great mechanic.

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thank you!!

[@bc7442]

I just ordered my boundary OPGs yesterday and then found this video. Really glad I stumbled on this!

[@BeardsandCars]

That's nuts..one if the last things most of us would not even think to look at

[@victorxavier9977]

Really good to know thx Ken! BTW watching this video brought me back to auto shop class in high school 😆 Ken would've been the cool shop teacher with fast cars!!

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thanks!! I wouldn’t mind doing that in the future to be honest.

[@BinhDong]

So moral of the story, be safe and buy a new housing/oil pump and then change out the gears. Noted for my install soon.

[@SpeedAddict731]

Yes I would definitely install new housing if you are installing opg

[@Rocca500]

Tnkz for this. I’m planning on going boost next yr with my 15. I appreciate this info!! Subscribed!!

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thank you and welcome to the channel!!

[@4vchuckles108]

Definitely good to know. Great video brother 👍

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thank you!!

[@D0PEFRESHGAMING]

Installing new oil pump in my old housing next week thank you for this new information!!

[@SpeedAddict731]

You’re welcome. Make sure you use new housing with new opg.

[@nathanielneff5025]

I just did a new bottom end on my s550, failed ring land on cylinder 7. Was at about 15psi, Boosted. I replaced all the oiling components, oil pump housing, pick up tube, oil cooler and of course some boundry opg and crank sprocket. Better safe than sorry.

[@sergebasque8460]

Thanks for sharing this content with your viewers, very great discovery on your parts so always be du diligence. New housing with new oil gear on engine with mileage.

[@SpeedAddict731]

Yes sir!

[@lstnlne7399]

thank is the weak link bought the 2019 GT Alumintor 5.0L w billet oil pump wipple is so kool wish you the best God speed Ford is now making them with an IRON BLOCK !

[@paulhudgins5120]

Great video Ken, I was wondering what they were going to find, man that is a very important finding, to think that was on a engine with only 40K miles, happy and glad for you to share what the problem was, thanks.

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thank you!! I’ll share their video as soon as they get it out. I’m sure it will have a lot of good info in it.

[@killercoyote1905]

Yea I’ve ran into similar issues on one I put gears in. I’ve got to where if they have more than 50k miles I recommend they install a whole pump instead of just gears. But at same time I’ve put them in cars that had 100k and no issues. You just never know what you going to find one vehicle to next.

[@SpeedAddict731]

This is very true! I will only use new housings for now on.

[@jaredmahan4090]

I know you dont want to hear this but there is only 2 choices for oil pump gears. Ford Billet gear set or TSS gears. These are the only two that meet factory specifications every time. Some other aftermarket gears are not machined to exact specs. They are typically off up to 0.007 +/-. Also, i believe TSS uses the same vendor that Ford uses. Maybe? I personally use new ford cobra jet or the high flow billet oil pumps from ford. Just my 0.02 cents.

[@BrailsfordsRides]

Thats nuts... the last piece to bulletproofing the Boss Motor, good to know

[@joshodin19]

I was wondering what happened with that...very good piece of information!

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thank you.

[@Cheezeball99999]

I consider my '21 low mileage at 50,000, soooo I may order a complete oil pump assembly from MMR. Getting a crank support from ProCharger shortly, wanting to install oil pump gears (or the whole pump) at the same time. Been running the P1X for about 10,000 miles at this point and it's been fine but I don't want to push it 😅

[@smoovefishing]

Great job!

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thank you!! Just trying to share any info I get with you guys.

[@jude2485]

@@SpeedAddict731Thank you so much. Subscribed.👍🏽👍🏽

[@GearHead704]

New shop, film crew, MAN you've got it going on down there Ken! Big time 😆

[@5.0newbie38]

I’ll have to find the article that came out in the end of 2015 about the bad batch of oil pumps aka front housing miss alignment causing the first known as bbq tick 16 and 17s had no problems then in early 18s the bbq tick problem came back but no new articles about it so I guess Ford already knew with passed Experiences with bad oil pumps

[@liquidsmokemustang1537]

Good to know. Now we get the extra expense of a housing along with OPG.

[@SpeedAddict731]

You could measure the crank and the pads on the housing and use shims to center the old housing.

[@ssfouryou]

Informative Ken, thank you. You have 40,000 miles when you put the oil pump gears in your car, but mine and the other ones you installed were relatively new cars with not very many miles at all. The housing seems to wears out a little bit at higher mileage.

[@SpeedAddict731]

This is a learning experience for sure. Only new housings for now on.

[@savage101.]

@@SpeedAddict731 What if the car only has 7,000 miles? Would you still replace the housing? I'm getting ready to do this on my 22 GT

[@avgjoe1836]

Thank you Ken! This could save people alot of time and money. Thank you to boundary as well for investigating.

[@FYMM69]

Ya rather than them saying, you’re the first person that’s had this problem and sorry bout your luck. Thanks for the heads up

[@themaniac5183]

Great info

[@whippled5.034]

Just had mine done. With the whipple install. My mileage was only 7000 miles no noise, I guess the housing wasn't beat up enough to make that rattle you in countered, will forward your findings to all the gear heads I know. Thanks for the info. BTW loving the whipple on my 2020

[@SpeedAddict731]

Whipple FTW. Yes I’ve installed a lot of gears with no issues. Thanks for sharing.

[@primofx2sport]

Nice! Good to know when I do my set!

[@TheManic.5-OH]

Everyone in the industry i talked to about replacing the housing with the new gears treated me like i was over thinking it. Im almost done with the job now, and its really been nagging at me about putting brand new billet gears in my 55k mile oil pump housing. I guess im just gonna start it up and see how it goes. But my mechanic sense has been tingling like crazy.

[@KeltonScott]

Were you able to reuse the oem housing?

[@TheManic.5-OH]

@KeltonScott well I DID reuse the housing, but I wish I didn't! Honestly in hindsight I wish I would've just bought the boundary complete OPG housing and gotten the billet back plate as well. My stock gears had some wear in them that I could catch my finger nails on while dragging across. That 'normal' wear was also in my housing, but engine builders and parts guys I talked to all told me I was over thinking it. I knew better so it's no one's fault but mine if I have to take it apart again, but still.... I'll have videos of every single step for OPG/CS and a Roush 2.3 kit install on my car coming soon. Anyone reading this interested can give my channel a sub. I'll have an update video really soon when the motor is sealed up. Otherwise I'm sure the algorithm will bring you there when you search. Doesn't really matter to me, I'm not in the youtube for money. If I can get to a point I can make a little bit, enough to have parts as business expense then it's worth it for me 🤣

[@SpeedAddict731]

I reused housing a ton before this happened. I was just sharing what I found so it may help someone catch it if they reuse their housing and have this noise. I do install new housings now in all my customers cars to avoid this. There is a way to do it as well with the old housing by measuring and using shims to center the pump on the crank. How is the car doing?

[@TheManic.5-OH]

@SpeedAddict731 it came out just fine and I think I definitely over thought it 😅 it's making FANTASTIC oil pressure, I just stated it up for the first time the other day. I've got that video/short up on my channel, check it out! I did alot of custom blue/black PET insulation everywhere and redid the wiring harness with new split tubing, harness tape, and heat shielding everywhere. Finishing up the remote tuning this weekend and she should be ready to roll out

[@eric4472]

@@SpeedAddict731do you think the supercharger caused crank distortion and wore the tabs down on the oil pump housing ? Have you seen the tabs worn with a n/a build? Good video a lot to think about thanks.

[@mileshiles1287]

Always good to keep your mind open to new things.

[@SpeedAddict731]

You have to keep an open mind and be willing to learn new stuff.

[@DrewPWebos]

2016 5.0 premium with stage 2 Procharger with 10k miles. Should I invest in the oil pump gear and crank sprocket? Please advise?

[@high-rise8505]

Man great video! 🇺🇸USA all day and night 🇺🇸

[@SpeedAddict731]

Yes sir!!!

[@VICTORESPINOSA7]

That is some good info and my respect to yall for sharing

[@w.branch1096]

Thanks for the tip Ken 🍻 Guess I got lucky when I did my MMR's. Shout out to Boundary for investigating 💯

[@SpeedAddict731]

Yea I’ve gotten lucky many many times. Their video will be more in depth with all the testing they have done!

[@alphagtr88]

Thanks for putting this info out for people to find out 👍🏽

[@MustangGuru]

I can see a .005 - . 010 sleeve comming

[@madmotorhead9425]

Ken Your on the ball. great information

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thanks!!

[@carmob7499]

Great Info bro < thx for sharing ..

[@HETZTED1313]

Great job Sir.

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thank you sir!!

[@DudstangYT]

Thank you sir this info was very helpful great tech !

[@reloaded1880]

Great video, great team work, just great!!

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thank you!!

[@VICTORESPINOSA7]

¡Thank you for that Brother!

[@moneypitmustangbrian3934]

Incredibly informative. I am assuming the oil pump housing does NOT have a steel sleeve where the gear is seated. Aluminum housing w/ steel gear? If so that makes sense since aluminum is the softer metal.

[@SpeedAddict731]

Yes it is aluminum.

[@GoFastNation]

That's crazy...good info to know! Thanks Ken!

[@SpeedAddict731]

Yes sir!!

[@cmint21]

Thanks for sharing ! Well done .

[@streetslayers410]

Good to know

[@BOSS-jf7on]

Thanks for sharing!

[@SpeedAddict731]

Yes sir

[@MasterGunZ]

Do you have a part number for the oil pump housing? Thanks for the video and appreciate your help

[@SpeedAddict731]

You’re welcome and Yes I can get you one. I know boundary sells an assembly with new housing and their gears! www.boundarypumps.com/ford-v8-cayote-1/stage-1-coyote-pump

[@Twobarpsi]

What a great company, and hats off to you too 🏁🏁🏁!!

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thank you !!

[@zgblundell]

That’s wild! The housing gets worn in stock form or did it get worn with boost??

[@LimabeanLiving]

Thank you!!!!

[@SpeedAddict731]

You’re welcome

[@jameshows5419]

Thanks for your information on the Oil pump gears and the Oil pump housing wearing issue . So per Ford , I’m guessing to replace the Oil pump it’s a better idea to replace the oil pump housing at the same time ?

[@SpeedAddict731]

Yes install new housing if installing opg. Little bit of insurance that is not expensive at all.

[@jameshows5419]

@@SpeedAddict731 Ken you and Zander are 2 Very Cool 😎 Fellows . Thanks for yet another reply . I did watch your live cast last night , I was the first to hit the like button too. Looking forward to seeing you at Beech Bend this year . Ex BULLITT 40 . New car , Rapid Red 21

[@jameshows5419]

Ken I’m assuming the supercharged Coyote engines might wear out the oil pump and oil pump housing a little quicker than a natural aspirated engine ? I’m wondering cause I recently bought a Roush stage 3 and I’m wondering about how long or about how many miles till I’ll be having to plan on replacing the oil pump and housing. I think it’s a good question. Thanks J

[@BinhDong]

Thanks for the video!

[@SpeedAddict731]

You’re welcome

[@BinhDong]

What are your thoughts on their black series oil pump gears? Worth the money? Do most even need/want them?

[@jasonherrick2368]

Great info. You think this could be infamous tick some cars have

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thank you and not sure. Mine didn’t sound like a bbq tick like I hear from coyotes.

[@carlosjmartinez9649]

First thanks for this very informative video. Question for you Mr. Ken, I’m planning replace the oil pump gears to my 2019 bullitt in preparation for the installation of the sleeper hellion kit now do I need to add a ati super damper or this part is only good for supercharged car?

[@wilsonsperformance8575]

Thank you for the informative video!

[@SpeedAddict731]

You’re welcome!

[@idlepro]

Do you need to upgrade those gears when adding a whipple? Or is this more higher horsepower race cars?

[@howlin573]

Great info ken!

[@SpeedAddict731]

Yes sir!!

[@howlin573]

@@SpeedAddict731 got free time this weekend?

[@dy8863]

Hello Mr. Ken. Quick question for you. When you do this on a GEN3, do you replace the HPFP hard line that goes from the HPFP to the DI Injector rail? Ford Manual says to replace it, but it seems like most dont?

[@kennethrobinson5151]

Even know my engine has less than a thousand miles on it I took your advice and bought a new housing for my local dealer when I took it apart to swap in the boundary gears it seems like it was assembled dry with no oil or lubrication at all is that your experience?

[@elalex1487]

Hey great video, how do you feel about the Ford performance oil pump gears? Same quality as boundary? Thanks

[@byronsaxton4693]

Good video, very informative

[@SpeedAddict731]

Thank you. Just trying to help someone not Have my issue!

[@lexheria]

hi i have a question do you recommend a melling high pressure oil pump for my 5.0 gen 1 coyote or boundary’s? thank you

[@NigelsModellingBench]

Thanks so much Ken.. So good of you to share this. Two questions.. Does the clearance you showed only appear on old used oil pumps? Could a "Speedi sleeve" be used to help align everything during the tightening of the oil pump housing onto the block?

[@SpeedAddict731]

You’re welcome. A sleeve couldn’t be used as there is not enough room to fit one in between the oil pump and crank on a new oil pump and clearances may be different from one used pump to another.

[@NigelsModellingBench]

@@SpeedAddict731 I wonder if you tightened the housing bolts finger tight, reassemble all the timing gear then turn the crank two or three times before tightening the housing down if it would self centre??

[@MustangsandMavericks]

Good info. Much thanks man!

[@SpeedAddict731]

Yes sir!!

[@01gt46]

This may be a stupid question, if the loose housing caused the issue, why didn’t it cause the same issue on the stock OPG, or did it?

[@tonyburts7998]

@Speed Addict 731, what is your opinion of just replacing the stock oil pump with a Melling’s billet high pressure unit?

[@asphaltcowboys550]

i am not sure but i have a 2018 kona pp2 401a and unsure and afraid of the slap. what should i do? oil pump gears?

[@Patrob1920]

Good info !!!thanks!!

[@SpeedAddict731]

You’re welcome!

[@gverhoeff39]

Thanks for the information ..

[@SpeedAddict731]

Yes sir!!

[@dank6408]

I don’t get this- there was no noise with the stock gears and after replacing with new OPG, all of sudden there is gap and noise? Conclusion, the OPG are of different size than stock?

[@Hjfvvdst]

What's causing the wear? Is the crank moving that much? I did notice the wear was more in one direction. Was that up and down?

[@mathewhoffer4541]

Just for argument purposes if the old housing was installed and careful attention was made to center it perfectly or pay attention during install would this not make buying a new housing not needed as stated before you were unaware of this and simply bolted it on and it was mislocated to one side or another causing the problem ? would not the solution be inspect for wear and place back on engine before replacing the gears to take not of any play ? and then determine if it warrants replacement rather then to simply toss a new part at the problem so you can blindly bolt it on and call it a day ?

[@SpeedAddict731]

To answer your question and I have had this conversation with boundary and others. You could measure the outside of the crank shaft and measure between the pads on the pump. Subtract the difference and divide by 2 and use the correct size feeler gauges on the sides and same for top and bottom and you would be able to center the pump. But the Pump housings don’t cost a lot and it’s peace of mind. Not only for the centering of the pump but also all pumps have slight wear in them if you look closely now I’ve installed several gears into pumps before this as long as I didn’t see any wear that concerned me and as long as all the measurements between the housing and the gears were in spec. But you are talking about an extra $80-$120 for a new pump housing that has no wear on the inside and will center correctly. For most doing this job at home it’s better for this rather than the other method that they could still get wrong if all their measurements were off a tad. With Boundary’s test on their setup if it is off by .003 it can cause this to happen. So for most installing a new pump that will center itself is the best route to take.

[@mathewhoffer4541]

@@SpeedAddict731 I had apart a stock oil pump with 275k miles on it and no noticeable wear on the housing what soever. it seems buying a new ford oil pump to get a new housing is simply a simple method for someone not bright enough to use a feeler gauge to center the housing after gears are installed. it would take an extra 300 seconds to do this but alas a lot of non mechanics might take 5 hours to locate their feeler gauge where a mechanic knowes where all his tools are and where in the tool box to find them without even looking. Still seems like horseshit that boundary did not add in the directions to check these things and should warranty the items because of neglect of R&D on their part.

[@SpeedAddict731]

@@mathewhoffer4541 I agree that most good techs can do this. But most that do this in their garage can easily get it wrong and still have issues. This is why I put the info out there. For all of those guys. Plus if you use a new oil pump then no one can come back and use this as a reason for the issue.

[@eric4472]

Wondering if you use a primer to prime engine or just fill the oil filter ?

[@SpeedAddict731]

Fill the oil filter and then turn the engine over with pedal on the floor so the engine won’t start for 10 seconds 4 times with around 45 seconds between. It will build oil pressure. Then we start it. This is how rpg and other engine builders tell you to do it as well when they send out an engine.

[@samuelalridge3718]

Good Info

[@danielthomas5872]

So questions.. why should you do OPGs? at what horse power level should you do OPGs? and what brand is the best to use?

[@SpeedAddict731]

If you are going to be using a two step, hitting the rev limiter a lot or running high hp and spinning the engine up. For a manual boosted car it is good insurance because if you miss a shift and hit that rev limiter, sometimes that is all it takes.

[@danielthomas5872]

@@SpeedAddict731 👍Good info thanks.. so if I run an auto and don't race at the strip or have my rpm turned up above 6500 No need to run them? Hey got to ask..

[@sergemazan913]

Ken, I just did 2 cars and had the same issue with brand new oil pump housings. Both cars make the same noise. What would you recommend I do?

[@SpeedAddict731]

What noise?

[@dmh1367]

Did I miss why you and Zander dropped Hellhorse like a bad habit? Is it not worth getting?

[@SpeedAddict731]

I changed boost directions. My kit did great on my car.

[@alexk7286]

great information 👍

[@SpeedAddict731]

Yes sir!

[@patrickmonzon6390]

Hey ken, I had a question. I’m having an issue when the car starts up. On start up my car stutters of some sort it kinda sounds like a loud click before it turns over. I’ve sent data logs but tuner said it all looks perfect. Have you heard of this issue

[@teemeaux3830]

Do I need ops if u have engine oil coolers?

[@saeedalhameli826]

I did install mmr opg without replacing the housing. should I replace it or keep it if I didn’t face the same noise? Thanks ken

[@SpeedAddict731]

It no noise or issues it will be ok. I replaced several opg’s before this with no issues.

[@SHOOTSHOW00]

Thanks for sharing

[@SpeedAddict731]

You’re welcome

[@need4green268]

Was it throwing any codes when the problem happened? I put gen 2 in my s197 and its showing low oil pressure and throwing cam shaft position advanced and retarder on all 4 cam shaft could be my boundary opg? Thanx

[@imadog131]

I’ve been working on cars for 40 years. If a oil pump comes off for any reason a new one goes on.

[@BrailsfordsRides]

Is it cheaper to buy a pre-built assembly of you have to replace the housing anywhere and are they sold pre-built

[@SpeedAddict731]

You can buy a Boundary or Ford performance oil pump that come with upgraded gears already in a new housing.

[@BrailsfordsRides]

@@SpeedAddict731 is it cheaper or worth less hassle? Or once you have it off is it not much more work

[@jpalmer3089]

Curious as to why the stock gears were not having this issue if this was a housing issue. I think I recall you saying everything was fine before install and it obviously had the same oil pump housing at that time.

[@SpeedAddict731]

I questioned this also. I was told that the crank will ever so slightly machine the housing when running because it fits tight on the crank with the new housing. That’s the reason you seen me measuring the old housing vs the new housing. I was able to verify the difference in size, confirming what I was told. The housing was new when it was installed with the stock gears. Once bolted down the housing can’t move but once you unbolt the housing and reinstall it, there is a chance you can have it off just a little.

[@jpalmer3089]

@@SpeedAddict731 I'm still processing the specifics of that but basically are you saying that the OPG's and oil pump housing "wear" in together in relation to the crankshaft position and if you dont align the original oil pump housing back in the exact location it was in, it "offsets" the OPG...?? If I understand that correctly, I dont understand why we dont see this problem more often.

[@SpeedAddict731]

@@jpalmer3089 the housing themselves appears to be the issue here. To be honest I’m not sure this isn’t happening more often. In my case it was enough to make a noise that wasn’t horribly loud but caught my attention enough to to go in and inspect. I still had oil pressure so some people would probably overlook the noise and keep driving. But I have seen online where people have taken gears out and had that wear on them also. When I was told they had duplicated my noise and wear due to this. I had to go and check a used housing and a new housing to see for myself. When I measured and it was off, then I test fit an old housing and a brand new one I could see how you can get it off centered due to this. I couldn’t move the new housing side to side at all but could the old housing. Once I seen this I decided to put the info out there. It’s too easy to install a new housing with new gears. Not very expensive at all and if it could keep someone from having this issue, then it’s worth it. Trust me when I was told this I had the same skepticism, that’s the reason I had to go and check for myself and this is what I found. I do know you can’t be off centered when it comes to gerotor pumps.

[@jpalmer3089]

@@SpeedAddict731 Thank you for taking the time to explain that. And thank you for sharing this. Your exactly right, it only makes sense then to just purchase a new oil pump when installing the gears. I come from the LS3/LT1 side and there is a tool from GM that is supposed to be used to align the oil pump to the crankshaft. Admittedly, I haven't gotten as far into the weeds on this as I should have. The interesting part is the "crankshaft will ever so slightly machine the housing".

[@SpeedAddict731]

@@jpalmer3089 you’re welcome, I just try to share any info I can that may help someone. Yes there is a tool that is used in the LS world to center the oil pump on the crank shaft. I’m looking forward to the boundary video showing everything in detail.

[@PimoAn01]

Wonder if the housings are the culprit this whole time and not the gears themselves?

[@SpeedAddict731]

From what I have seen myself and boundary has told me. Looks like it.

[@jordanwiens1921]

Would I be ok with only 600 miles on the car?

[@BackyardBMX73]

I wonder if this somehow is a contributor to the "tick". 🤔

[@SpeedAddict731]

Wouldn’t be the bbq tick.

[@d3et1roi3t]

When its bolted down wouldn't that center it up?

[@SpeedAddict731]

No because the bolt holes in the housing are loose on the bolts. I had the bolts almost down all the way and was able to move the pump still.

[@blightning5930]

Wouldn’t be something if that car was boosted before.

[@sublimegt500]

School is in session 😎

[@SpeedAddict731]

Haha!

[@flfun1684]

WEak point of a Coyote 5.0 is the oil pump gear..especially if your doing a blower install like a Whipple ..Ford Performance..Rousch

[@JBWHITEGT]

Ford needs to just upgrade this from the factory. It’s a well known issue now and Why make an engine so good then give it an achilles heal...?

[@SpeedAddict731]

I agree completely!!

[@1970351C2V]

Why would Ford upgrade? I've never heard of an OPG breaking on a factory engine.

[@mrhossola7137]

That was my motor, y'all'd be replacing it, no way I'd accept that with those shavings gone all over inside.

[@NITROUSnBIASPLYS]

Interesting 🤔

[@asphaltcowboys550]

46000 bt the way

[@chevyhs]

You think this is the cause of the typewriter tick?

[@SpeedAddict731]

No