Is Pogacar the new Cannibal? | Tour De France 2024 Stage 19 | JB2

The dominance of Tadej Pogacar has become somewhat controversial, although it was predicted that this would be the case before the Tour de France even started. We heard from Lance and George this morning on THEMOVE. Find out how Johan feels about it on this episode of JB2.
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[@biscaynediver]

Thank you JB for calling out George and Lance. _"Grow a pair."_ Sums it up perfectly.

[@PaulBeiser]

YES!!! Way to go JB.

[@luigimassello4357]

They ( lance&geo) left their stones in their purses . 🤣🤣🤣

[@domestique3954]

When there was one stage that Pogacar had marked on his calendar it was this one! He wanted revenge for the humiliation on last year’s stage!

[@tiagoafonso7793]

Pitty we are still giving these balless guys a voice. The damage Lance did to cycling is still ongoing.

[@barthrvatin8297]

@biscaynediver this is the most clever joke on the internet this week 😂

[@MrLotto22]

So glad Johan has a true honest non American non biased take. Great work JB2❤.

[@JoeBoyle-pe5mw]

So The Moves take on todays stage was, by your opinion, untrue, dishonest and biased? Of course George and Lance were biased as to todays stage win. They wanted to see Jorgensen win. That doesn’t make their opinion untrue or dishonest. Your own statement implies a bias.

[@onehit5373]

Exactly!

[@FedericoG-p3w]

​@@JoeBoyle-pe5mw in my opinion today yea, 100% biased

[@dizyaster7700]

Pog was on a mission today, he did not forget what Visma did to him last year, when he also came back after injury.

[@mmgunner8x]

obviously you did not listen to Lance in all past episodes of the move... Lance was absolutely not speaking as an American today, he just repeated what he already said in past days, from the perspective, he is most adequate to speak about, considering his history. And everything he wanted to say is that if he would not have behaved in the same way Pogacar did today, he would still be the winner of 7 TDFs. Because you like it or not, TDF is also a political thing, as he defined it.... and once you get people asking questions and doubting your performances, you are burned.

[@PelicanIslandLabs]

This is why I watch this podcast and not the 'main show'. No BS and no whining.

[@GermanBelgianwaffle]

Again Johan to finally have the correct assessment. It’s why he was a strategic race director telling George and Lance what to do. It’s clear who the brains of US postal was.

[@adityaakaul]

Johan is correct from a racing/sport perspective. Lance is correct from a perspective greater than cycling. Given the history (which all these guys were a part of), the scrutiny that TP will now be under will be crazy intense. You don't want that heat in your life and Pogacar will discover that real soon. George was just plain wrong. Nobody cares about letting Americans win bike races, come win them on your own.

[@AleksandarGospic]

I can listen to Johan for hours, great mind, and today he didn't disappoint again. Great logic and insight 👌Grow a pair George (and Lance), well said Johan! I can't believe the nonsense they spewed today. They didn't cry the same tears last year when Jonas put more than 7 minutes into Tadej. Come on Tadej, take everything you can, no gifts!

[@todd.goslin6190]

I have zero problems with how Tadej rides!! Today was awesome!! I hope he does it again tomorrow!!

[@carlosgaspar8447]

i agree with johan that the teammates will want to rest.

[@_shreyash_anand]

He said he'll let the break go tomorrow. Enjoy the stage in the yellow jersey

[@todd.goslin6190]

@@_shreyash_anand I know what he said. What he says and what he does are often two different things.

[@jacquesdemolay5171]

Nice to hear Johan's perspective on Pogacar, as Lance and George made fools of themselves today on The Move. How long do you really think Tadej's reign is going to last, anyway? When Alberto Contador first emerged, people thought that he'd match or surpass Lance's record at the Tour de France. When a very young Egan Bernal first emerged, everyone thought he'd go one to win several Grand Tours. There could very well be an unknown rider who emerges in the next few years that will strike fear into all the riders on the podium of this year's Tour. There are _always_ new, super-talented riders that unexpectedly arrive on the scene. Let Pogacar do all that he can, while he can. This won't last forever. Bask in the glory of it, and consider yourselves lucky enough to have witnessed it. If Lance and George get their feelings hurt because their personal friends aren't winning, who cares? Just wait until more and more riders start arriving from distant shores like that of Eritrea. Celebrate the best, and console the rest. But don't expect handouts along the way. 🤷‍♂

[@locs2645]

Thank you! If Jonas had come back and took the yellow jersey no one would criticize. Pogacar had to fight Primoz, Sepp, Wout, and Jonas last seson and no one said Pogacar was at a disadvantage! He still got 2nd despite the strong Jonas team. Just haters all around. Pogacar is fit, mature, and the best rider this season!!! Congrats to him!!!!!🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@mmgunner8x]

Pogačar is GOAT. Greatest of all times. At least fot now. But far from Mature. And he neither had to fight Primoz last year. This year he won by force. The tactic of UAE is a disaster in this TDF: Fortunately Visma is very weak and Jonas was injured. UAE need to mature their tactics and Pogacar needs to mature himself, if not they will burn themself one way or another, as they are doing this TDF. Just look at all the questions and doubts that have risen up and you will understand what I mean.

[@wesleygotje6065]

Roglic wasnt there last year and Van aert was already out because of the birth of his kid

[@zoranvalencic4679]

Its slready 4 months since then .....and I still don't know what you ment....🤔.......😉....

[@LadyBird-n2t]

Last year when Visma did the same thing to Tadej... no-one called them out.. everyone said Visma had great tactics.. revenge is sweet for Tadej. Visma made no secret of their plans to break Tadej last year.. but then it was called brilliant..

[@zoranvalencic4679]

I would say ....don't cry when Carma comes around....

[@zoranvalencic4679]

Great ....

[@mmgunner8x]

As I remember, Jonas did not run the Giro last year... he did the Vuelta where he was not neither near to the performance he showed on TDF: Anyway Jonas TT last year many questions and doubts starter rising up. And this year TDF performances, from more cyclists are just additional fuel on fire.

[@vicenteguzmanp]

It wasn't the same scenario to be fair. Tadej had already lost a lot of time and they just rode him off the group, he wasn't strong enough. Today Tadej attacked to win, not the same thing

[@husseinmkanga7794]

​@@mmgunner8xthe plan was to kuss

[@shred3005]

Here is a stat. Pog has raced just over 100 stages of the TDF (2020-2024) and more than 90 of those he has been on the podium presentation for one jersey or another

[@markrmonteith]

Thank you Johan for proper insight as opposed to the other two…

[@richardevans2421]

great to hear this from Johan, totally agree, don't get the negativity from LA and George, Pog was up for revenge and to show everyone how strong he is. And he did it

[@5508Vanderdekken]

So he was acting childishly?

[@richardevans2421]

@@5508Vanderdekken I just think Pog has nothing to hide, so no need not to disclose his power, unlike...

[@prashanthsadanand8558]

Today is the day Pogi took revenge for last year, if anything it was Jonas who was crying like a baby at the end of the stage today.

[@QPSQUANTUM424]

​@prashanthsadanand8558 After every stage, all you would hear Jonas say , " we have a plan and I still think I can win the Tour. " So what was Pogi to do? Give a Visma rider the win? I agree with you Prashanth! Jonas looked like a complete crybaby! My only wish was stage 11, that because Pogi didn't fuel himself enough, he would of won that as well! I think Pogi can win the TT!

[@victoriacarter3566]

I loved Pogi's performance today. But I see Lance's point about this kind of riding putting a target on Pogi's back. I think this comment is the closest Lance has come to insinuating Pogi isn't 100% clean.

[@donbovie]

When whole team works 3 weeks for you , you dont pass victories to a rivals.

[@5508Vanderdekken]

You don’t get it. That’s fine

[@Denzod]

@@5508Vanderdekken I don’t think UAE would gift a stage to VISMA

[@GermanBelgianwaffle]

@@5508Vanderdekkenyou must not race. You don’t get it.

[@PMP5240-e3i]

Thank you Johan for being the voice of reason! This TdF was personal for Tadej and UAE...

[@LadyBird-n2t]

Love it Johann... George growing a pair 😂😂😂. Your analysis is always soo great. No longer watching Lance and George - they're annoying.

[@ricvan]

Also... enjoy JB2 much more that the other two 'dopes'

[@fixed970]

Spot on

[@flaviolago736]

Extremely.

[@elliotoliver8679]

Too many loooong ads on Lance show, turned off

[@phillipglaser4632]

Love Johan, his comment “George needs to grow a pair” is priceless! Great show guys. Johan is still the wizard of cycling.

[@layton3503]

Johan don't apologize for having a winning attitude!

[@zhexinli7624]

Thank you JB. Finally someone being fair.

[@derickcastillo9083]

Pog was asked during the the Giro how he says "thank you" to his teammates. He said "I win!" Imagine how his teammates would feel if they did all that work and Pog had given the stage to Jorgenson, a rival on the team that has been killing you for two years in the tour. They would be pissed! Pog gets paid to win races, not to make his rivals feel good about themselves.

[@fabiovalentinuzzi5589]

Yeh, not to mention prize money is shared among all the riders. Pogi makes them rich.

[@derickcastillo9083]

@@fabiovalentinuzzi5589 Absolutely!

[@highlandhp102]

The real analysis refreshing… I get it lance and his dealings, people forget he was HATED in the peleton, this kid is loved by the fans, the TDF and his team.. nothing but good vibes coming out of that camp…

[@stiaanduplessis6888]

Finally you can see Johan is not afraid to say what he wants to say (not intimidated by the 2 Legends on the Move).... Love the fact that George needs to grow a pair. Thanks Johan for providing the best post race analysis available. Been watching the move since its inception but only started watching JB2 from this year and honestly must say i have been enjoying your show much more than the move. Partly because Lance and George are digressing from the topic so much. Yes the banter is great but i feel the quality has been dropping in terms of the content. With JB2 I found the content i was missing in the move. thanks for a great show!!!

[@zikaperic2133]

Johan thanks for giving the right view...new cannibal, racing for the goat spot. LA is biased like an old lady.

[@petedog9581]

Lance was no gentleman and disliked by many in the peloton and often his own team. Pog is looking to make history in his career. He is almost half way to Cav in 5 years at TdF. He will pull off the first TdF/Giro double in 26 years in a few days. He should race in Espana and take that too.

[@n0b0dy-u9u8z]

Pogacar seems to be a pure competitor. Visma worked him over in 2022 with a stacked team. The tables have turned

[@shred3005]

Yes, Pog shows he always wants to race. He attacked 2 days ago when he needed to and he even said he didn’t quite know why but it was in him to race. Visma last year used the entire team to work him over so he didn’t have enough left to compete with Jonas’s grind it out approach when it mattered

[@jeremystacy5870]

I want to see the best cycling performances, thank you Tadej for sharing your talent!

[@juanandresso]

Can’t agree more with Johan. Impeccable his position on Pogacar’s right to race as he does.

[@nem3th]

It was queens stage, its an honor to take podium for climber and TP mentioned it before that they will try. Only thing what points out, that break made good gap, but TP destroyed it like its nothing. If break would in less gap or no brake at all , then it could be normal win from attack.

[@carlosgaston1964]

If UAE had hammered stage 17 and 18 for Pogacar, this criticism would make sense. Pogacar could have 7 stage wins already. There was no criticism of Visma the past two years when they went all out attack on just Pogacar.

[@5508Vanderdekken]

Not the same thing

[@rafalpruszynski1707]

​@@5508Vanderdekken stop crying. No gifts, especially not to Visma

[@victoriacarter3566]

@@5508Vanderdekken I'm open to hearing what you mean if you feel like elaborating.

[@EITiga]

UAE Team Emirates has a good replacement for Mikkel Bjerg and Vegard Stake Laengen on this Pogi's Tour.

[@ricric9521]

Tadej is unapologetically SAVAGE! Not being a jerk, just SAVAGE! A new superstar hero is good for cycling .

[@victoriacarter3566]

Well put. I agree. Tadej's a good sportsman too. I think that's good for sports in general.

[@rh7982]

Agree, if he was doing what he does and being an arrogant prat, I'd get the other side of this argument but he's always a gent, winning or losing.

[@nealjones7792]

Johan saves WEDU..... Grow a pair G and L. I love it

[@tiagofcr.b]

Thanks Johan for your honesty and not be biased. That's how you show you are one the greatest genius in the sport. still.

[@GermanBelgianwaffle]

Best impartial non-crybaby assessment: ‘grow a pair george’

[@SamuelSilva-bb9pd]

the insight of johan is great to hear, he does understand the sport very well historically

[@jdyay]

Thank you guys for doing this channel justice. Pogi got humiliated and had his confidence destroyed. He needed to build his confidence back from Giro and finally he can get his revenge. It wasn’t a personal attack on Jonas. It was Tadej representing his team to give a beat down on Visma

[@Maranatha92]

Johan is so honest and a great Analysis.Lance and Jorge are so biased,why would pogi gift to none team mate?I feel bad for Jorgensen but that was exactly what Jimbo visma did last year.Thanks guys.

[@elliotoliver8679]

I think it’s called racing

[@jeffschmid2538]

Primoz Roglic was added to La Vuelta de España startlist (14 hours ago). Same with Juan Ayuso (14 hours ago).

[@Chiller11]

Good to know. Roglic will have something to prove. Is Almeida doing the Vuelta cause that could get interesting.

[@jeffschmid2538]

@@Chiller11 He's on the startlist.

[@elliotoliver8679]

Good, Roglic is very tough man, love his spirit

[@juliodiaz3920]

i aplaude you for your objective perspective Johan , on Pogacar . sincerely it sounds wrong to be projecting other experiences to pogacar. the guy is going for greatness 💥

[@richard8031]

Tadej is the BOSS.!!!!!

[@jeffschmid2538]

The only reason Pogacar/UAE won't go for it tomorrow is because Pogi wants to conserve some energy and show that he can beat Remco in the time trial on Sunday.

[@zerog4261]

I genuinely think hes interested in tomorrow. I think maybe one of his team may go for it but of course. Maybe Tadje is looking at Cavendish's record

[@ovathere93]

Interesting point. It would definitely send a message.

[@out_spocken]

Who knows. And that's what's so exciting about Pog.

[@GermanBelgianwaffle]

And he likely will gain minutes on the climb and he is a better descender.

[@GermanBelgianwaffle]

Pog 16 stages on sunday

[@rideitlikeyoustoleitHK]

JB2 is easily in the top 3 cycling pod casts, kicks the crap out of the main Lance pod. It is straight to the point, goes into details where needed and the two JBs really mesh well. Good job boys!

[@n.h2786]

Haleluya Johan. Finally someone without American bias. It's hard to watch Lance and George whining. I had to clicked away half way. Tadej has been hinting he wanted to win the queen stage. Also I believe Tadej and UAE wanted to break Jonas. Last year Jonas "broke" Tadej. Now, Tadej is in for the blood. "Anything you can do, I can do better." Looking at how emotional Jonas at the end of the stage with his wife. Today, Tadej "broke" Jonas. Watching Jonas today, reminds me of what Tadej was like last year.

[@LadyBird-n2t]

Agreed! And Jonas arrogantly kept saying how he took 7 min on Tadej last year in just 2 stages.. if you make those statements.. expect some carma

[@arelman]

I became a cycling fan when Lance was winning by huge margins and when he and Jan were going head-to-head. People love seeing a GOAT do his thing and seeing two of the best of all time go head-to-head. I think Lance and George over emphasize the importance of a great rider being American. Greatness is inspiring no matter where the athlete is from. Pogacar is inspiring and the duel between Pogacar and Vingegaard will be on again next year when Vingegaard is fully recovered and has a full season of training. They'll have an inspiring war and whoever wins will be a truly worthy champion and second place will be as worthy.

[@mellnhead]

Pogacar is so fun to watch race. Compare what is happening now to the dominant Sky teams a few years ago. We needed this guy to give bike racing a wake up.

[@SuperJohnnyO]

Bottom line: the strongest man won today. Matteo is a great rider, but he clearly could not follow Pogacar. Maybe tomorrow will be different, but after last year, I don’t blame Pogi for being ruthless in his riding.

[@cyclepowered8799]

Pogi can't gift a win to a racer who has been trying to work with his team and drop him for 2 weeks.

[@elliotoliver8679]

Only gifts go to own team

[@mihafakin2486]

Thank you Johan for some common sense

[@septimusseverus7237]

Armstrong and Hincapie don’t get it. Pogacar has paid more respect in beating Jorgenson in the last kilometer than if he had let him win an undue victory. In the past, Armstrong letting Pantani win on the Ventoux was an humiliation that ccould never be perceived as a sign of respect by the champion that Pantani was.

[@cypriano8763]

johan and horner have the best takes and insights

[@thomaspetersen9991]

Great channel❤🇩🇰.for us Crazy cycling fans i want to say Gracias or Thanks for your work 🇩🇰.i look forward to next year because this Year all the Best did crash.roglich Vingegaard and more.i Hope 2025 is More even

[@JayJayOnWheels]

Derek G is showing such potential and grit! i hope they could cultivate his potential more w/ the right training for the upcoming races.

[@balsamfir1688]

Johan is so right about Tadej being the new cannibal (I think it is awesome) - Lance was insinuating on the move that Tadej should of won by less or not been so dominant so as to not draw attention to the fact that he is doping (very bold insinuation)

[@perseverance86]

Johan the voice of reason! 🙏 Thank you

[@travislorenz8575]

Johann'e spot on! Lance and George missed the mark on this one by a mile.

[@chris2MTL]

you are 100% right . Tadej is on his best shape , what do you wan't ? that he slows the pace to let other racer win ? Eddy Mercks win everything and everybody cheers him NOW, but at this time a fan hit him because he was too dominant, a lot of people hate him because of his dominance at this time.

[@mikeoc217]

I'm happy to hear Johan isn't on the sissy band wagon "The Move" had going with their participation award garbage. Tadej is an incredible talent on the bike why should he harness himself for those who fall behind.. 👍🏻🚵🏻‍♂️🇸🇮💯🇨🇵

[@satishpatil7409]

Thank you Johan for your real analysis of today’s stage and not like those two Americans 😅

[@onehit5373]

Johan has the point...but doping guy Armstrong and OTHER guy are now talking about politics and how Pogacar should not attack,,, and other nonsense

[@zoranvalencic4679]

Great....

[@gufonse]

Totally agree with Johan! Great show today!

[@neilb679]

My Favorite show, cant wait every day for the feedback and info! Fully agree with Johan, Pog is a winner! He is also paid 4 mil euro a year to win Every race he can for UAE, Tx once again, cheers neil

[@zoranvalencic4679]

Thank you Guys....your show is the best...great ....

[@CoopMauKona]

Visma had crap tactics in this stage, while UAE was super strong with 5 guys throughout the race. Let's remember that Jonas is the two-time defending champion of this race and two days ago he said he CAN still win this tour this year. So you have to take him at his word and assume he's holding an attack. He won the tour by 7.5 minutes last year AND stage 11 this year head to head with Pogi. Only today did Jonas say he's fighting for P2. Merckx won 8 stages in the tour twice. It's night and day difference. So everyone needs to show Pogacar and UAE respect, simple as that.

[@5508Vanderdekken]

Nah. Don’t respect UAE at all. Don’t have to.

[@ArnyRimmer]

Johan is another clas than Lance and George. I love listen to him. He is very inteligent.

[@stefand5034]

The thing is, Pogi is actually having fun on the bike, something some people can't even register as a possibility, this fact angers them, it is supposedly the hardest sporting event ever, you are supposed to be suffering, huffing and puffing, and then there's Pogi, he is not even trying, what a difference from last year.

[@5508Vanderdekken]

Dumb, wrong

[@ynie1]

Pog is having fun, no doubt. But he's definitely giving absolutely everything. Once he passed Jorgenson, he kept looking back. During the interview, he said he was empty with 2 km to go, and once he passed Jorgenson, he was just holding on.

[@stefand5034]

@@ynie1 if that is what he calls empty (his way of saying is like, yeah, I can't do 7w/kg no more so I ride on empty at 6 w/kilo instead). If I say I am empty I'd be draped over the guard rails waiting for the broom wagon to scoop me up. You know how cyclists trash talk, like, "oh, I'm out of shape, Ive got nothing in my legs, I go slow", next thing you know, you never see them again, disappear away and out of sight lol... it wasn't fun for him at the only stage he lost to Jonas, he can do whatever he wants now

[@hea9165]

Johan and Christian VDV are the only ones with an honest opinion. Pogacar is a cannibal and everyone is crying for the victim. No one cried for Tadej the last two years. If you can’t handle losing, don’t play; if you can’t handle winning, don’t play. Winning is not for everyone. (NIKE)

[@Pomi3001]

Kudos to Johan, great analytics as always. As oppose to the Move muppet show duo.

[@nomdaploom]

This is an excellent channel for honest, realistic and informed reflections and predictions on the sport we all love. Chapeau gentlemen!

[@brucegelman5582]

I watched Mercx and Hinault and they make Pogacar look like a choir boy.They were super brilliant nasty take no prisoners cyclists.Chapeau to all the cannibals!!!!!

[@heliumtrophy]

If I am going to listen to anybody from WEDU, it has to be Johan - whatever about the past, the man has a keen eye that picks up on things we don't see - that's what we want from a podcast.

[@kain12343]

Thank you, this is the commentary I wanted to hear!

[@glywnniswells9480]

Is no one gonna mention what a ride Jorgenson put down its epic Pog was pulled for 95% of the race or more Jorgenson had to burn huge watts and pulled the most in the break as well as riding away from Carapaz this guy is on a gigantic level

[@zerog4261]

Pogačar actually said as much. He said he got a free ride while Jorgenson had to ride much harder

[@alwaysglamorous8941]

He had no choice they put him on front for the stage win if Jonas cracked Matteo was incredible today

[@alwaysglamorous8941]

💯🚀

[@stuartcoles3713]

Perfect summing up of a great stage.

[@ryangeisler794]

Thankful for Johan!

[@455LT1]

Thank you! Jumbo beat him up the last two years. He fixed the holes in his fitness and had to listen to everyone saying he'd blow up in this type of stage, so he shut up his critics. Everyone kept talking about the "perfect" stage for Jonas meanwhile, Pogaçar just tries to win them all. Visma has pretty much stated that "he can have a bad day" or "you saw what happened to Primos, anything can happen." They were essentially banking on him cracking or crashing. Long climbs, this. High altitude, that. He can't handle the heat, etc etc etc. You don't think Tadej wanted to twist the knife on them? They sought out to destroy him but it didn't work. This is a team sport and when you look at how they dismantled him when he had a weak team in the last few years, Tadej wanted payback. People act like Jonas just beat him up by himself. Jumbo was stacked with a fully powered Wout, Primos, Jonas and Sepp. They tactically dismantled him as they knew he came into last year's Tour unprepared and he was frequently isolated. Visma likes to dish out punishment with their tactics but they appear to be sore losers.

[@QPSQUANTUM424]

It's one of the best writeups I have read! Agree with everything you have written! Well done. Bravo! 👏

[@LadyBird-n2t]

And then Jonas also very arrogantly said a few days ago how he put 7 min on Pogi in 2 stages last year.. implying he can do it again.. you should expect some reaction if you make statements like that?

[@toshmarley72]

Thank you for putting up so nicely. Why should you gift your fiercest rivals a win. Matteo was up there in the breakaway as part of the Visma tactics to dethrone Pogi. Let the best man win, Lance can go and watch WWE where winners are picked.

[@455LT1]

​​@@LadyBird-n2tagreed. I love how everyone has this narrative that Jonas is some nice guy while Tadej is a big bad wolf. Jonas was very arrogant after the first few stages implying that Tadej should be further ahead and predicting he would crack as usual when the real mountains began. Well, that didn't happen and the famous tactics of Visma failed to the point that they threw a hail marry with Matteo in today's stage. Sometimes, arrogance is rewarded with a firm ass whipping & Visma received this today. Instead of having confidence in their own abilities, their game plane was waiting for the other guy to crack? They come off as front runners and now Jonas knows what it's like to play from behind. Tadej didn't appear to be as sore a loser the last two years. Visma will have their hands full next year because Remco is coming too. Hopefully, they can improve their team to properly support him deep into a 3 week Gran Tour.

[@QPSQUANTUM424]

@@455LT1 You are right on! Jonas' arrogance was in full bloom. See ya next year, and Tadej will be even better!

[@BCERTA]

Amen what you saying J!

[@BikefitMatt]

Thank you Both Not sure what happened with lance and George today. Experts my ass. One gutted his mate got beat and the other one presuming pog is doping and advising what not to do to not cause suspicion.

[@JayJayOnWheels]

Sepp Kuss, and Victor Campy joining team Visma hopefully on the next TDF w/ a fully prepared Jonas, i think they wouls have a chance. For now, we see Tadej flying there, and the team support with UAE is impressive. Not to mention Remco's performance and team support to him is impressive as well

[@pvmig9131]

If the Pog beats Remco in the ITT then he deserves the win. No overpaid muscle to help him there.

[@Simon-xi8tb]

lmao. He already deserves the win even if he comes last at ITT

[@familyman2843]

How can other cycling podcasts be better than this?!?!?! Kudos!

[@gerryfrancis3350]

Jesus christ Lance, George and JB are whining like Pog killed their mother. #respect Johan

[@kegomaithufi5801]

The most sensible thing i have heard in a week. Thank you. I dont know what Lance Amstrong is on about.

[@mickelkobeck7376]

I can't believe all the whining about Pogi winning....pathetic really. GO POGI GO....win all you can.

[@5508Vanderdekken]

Idk, I like my champions when they’re not selfish and self absorbed

[@mickelkobeck7376]

@@5508Vanderdekken SMH...POGI is the new Cannibal....deal with it and COPE.

[@5508Vanderdekken]

@@mickelkobeck7376you’re the only one not dealing with this well- I literally don’t care. Tadej is boring for me to watch

[@mickelkobeck7376]

@@5508Vanderdekken I'm loving POGI domination....GO POGI GO.

[@majkoldzekson]

​@@5508Vanderdekkenis it ok to be self aware and knowing that you are the best? Is it arrogance or self confidence? How should he behave? Serious question.

[@Translucent6000]

Jonas says he’s not at a super high level yet today he would have broken all climbing records if pogacar was absent

[@mauricioc.9650]

Excelentes comentarios de JB. Un placer escucharlo. Si entienden español veanlo con La Movida. Great honest comments!

[@johnboulter6698]

Great show, gents. Head and shoulders above all other TDF reviews / analysis. Keep up the good work!

[@ramizlayaud327]

Finally a non biased opinion. Pogacar is on a mission to beat Merckx ( and Cavendish). Tgere will be no prisoners

[@ynie1]

I love the commentary! One point of technical criticism, please get Johan a mic stand, it looks like the mic is on a tabletop stand and it's picking up a ton of handling noise whenever Johan moves his hands. Also would like to see the mic closer to Johan's mouth so that it doesn't sound as echo'y. I'm not expecting a sound-treated room, but some small changes would really go a long way to improve the quality! Keep up the good work!

[@paulmellor9369]

Thank god for Johan, thank you! Finally a fair unbalanced view compared to The Move. Johan has been incredible this tour, really kept this show with any respect

[@kkryspin]

If it were any other team rider, I think we’d have seen a different winner at today’s stage. I can’t see why you would hand a stage win to your biggest rival team just like that. I like Jorgenson, and if he were on any team other than LAB, he might have been given the win. Let’s not forget that Remco was also injured-broken collarbones and shoulder blade-and he’s still racing at a top level. Yet, no one seems to mention that. It didn't get any mention today in the studio but it should. Jonas was on the rollers just 10 days after his crash, and Remco was on them 6 days after his crash. Where was the etiquette when Pog was injured last year and Jonas pounced to extend his lead to over 7 minutes? And where was the etiquette when, during the last TT, the Visma's SD shouted on the radio, “Jonas, you’re the best rider in the world, go show the world who’s king”-I’m paraphrasing, of course. No one was bringing up etiquette then. Last year I’ve never mentioned Pog’s injury because if he was fit enough to participate in the Tour, he was good enough to handle Jonas’s attacks. It’s racing, and karma has a way of coming around if you have thin skin.

[@ivansarmiento7144]

💯 agreed its a don't take your foot off his throat mentality, merciless

[@LadyBird-n2t]

Brilliantly said!!!

[@johnwaghorn2346]

By far the best TDF insights out there. Johan knows..!!

[@GermanBelgianwaffle]

The difference in n the comment section from JB2 to The Move is hilarious. Just what happens to those who step back and reflect on the whole picture

[@Chiller11]

I also would have liked to see Matteo Jorgensen win the stage because of his storyline. It was kind of sad that Jonas broke down at the finish line. Let’s not forget that Jonas had the superior team and Visma was ruthless in tactically breaking Pogacar down the last two years. I’m certain Tadej felt that same disappointment in ‘22 and ‘23 especially on the Col de la Loze last year.

[@kylebreier2812]

I remember a long time ago, when some sprinter won his 35th stage and everyone was singing his praises and calling him the GOAT. Now some other guy wins 4 stages in a year and is up to 14 (?) in his career and everyone wants him to knock it off. Hypocrite much?

[@LuvToRide]

Avid American cyclist here - and do not blame Tadje for taking the Stage! It is a race after all and some wins and someone comes in second. If I were Matteo having Tadje pull up would be worse. Merckx and Hinualt were killers nicknamed the Canibal and the Badger! What’s wrong with cycling today is there are no “Call Signs”! I do respectfully disagree with JB about the fact Tadje gets pleasure crushing opponents. I believe he relishing in the victory alone - there is a difference. I do think a certain rider from Texas who did want to crush and embarrass opponents and got strength through this - this isn’t my opinion but based on testimony of prior teammates I’ve watched online.

[@thecellulontriptometer4166]

Something I don't understand is this idea that Pogi should not try to win, and let other riders win stages. From the perspective of the other riders, what does a win mean if you know you didn't earn it? If you know it was given to you by another rider who could have won if he'd have tried, then the win is not really a win. The idea of that is ridiculous and completely antithetical to a champion's mentality.

[@JorgeTeixeira]

I don´t remember people complaining about visma winning most of the races last year... Every rider is there to win races, the best one will win... Some years is Jonas, some years is pogi, and that's fine..

[@jesselobo3213]

I have to commend Johan. About 90% of the knowledge, I have gained in cycling tactics and how to use a team properly came from Johan. And he's been on point throughout the tour. Thanks Johan. I also agree with you regarding Visma and UAE, they each want to destroy each other's leader. And it's awesome to watch, I love it. Tadej has been on a mission since he got crushed at last year's tour.

[@lesy23]

Thank you ! 👍

[@David-zk7jk]

No one ever told Eddie Merckx not to win 96 days in yellow and 35 stages. Get over it and grow a pair. Also don’t forget the reason why these guys are racing this way. It’s the Netflix affect. They are racing uncharacteristically to add storylines to the documentary. Hollywood changes racing styles.

[@victoriacarter3566]

I'm here for it🙋

[@dkalajzic]

Smart man - Mr. JB! Respect to You.

[@alwaysglamorous8941]

Nils is my favorite!❤️

[@atilaj4446]

As Always The "better" THEMOVE show gets it right.. Thanks for your info and perspective Johann the go-to podcast after each stage!!... Question: how is anyone going to be better than Merckx / Hinault etc. if ex racers say you have to play the long game, be political, not be greedy.?? unfortunately, thanks to previous history of ex racers, now every great feat/s will always be questioned no matter the circumstance...

[@jordanschwartzberg]

Absolutely! 💪🏻