NEVER DO THESE EXERCISES!!! Dr Wenning explains ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

[@Fitnessheretic]

Deadlifts are bad for your back, squats are bad for your knees, OHPing is bad for your shoulders, bicep curls are bad for your biceps, skull crushers are bad for your elbows. Exercise is bad for you!

[@steelmacecontinuum8696]

@@Fitnessheretic skull crushers are bad for your skull 🙃

[@tshepangharrison2021]

That's the limitation of fields that study pathology, we end up with an unhealthy aversion to risks so don't do it at all even when it can help you get stronger

[@tabletofnow4733]

Dr. W, this is extremely helpful information. Thank you.

[@WenningStrength]

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[@lusitanus6504]

I think every exercise that you dont have good healthy mobility is not good to do untill you develop that mobility first.

[@WenningStrength]

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[@ed1341]

> Be me after just leaving the gym > open up new Wenning strength video notification > " Exercises you should never do" > 2 of the exercises mentioned were in the workout

[@WenningStrength]

@@ed1341 yep!!!! Someone’s not following the Patreon workouts :))

[@larsoestergaard2247]

Very spot on video by Doctor Wenning - the issues I have had from decades of lifting confirms exactly what this video highlights in regards to shoulder issues

[@WenningStrength]

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[@josephpozega4981]

Great advice Matt. I’ll be 61 12/16/24. I’ve been lifting since 1983. We always did dips when I served, BNP was always done and yes we did so many isolation bicep exercises because we all had Arnold’s encyclopedia of bodybuilding and what Arnold said was Gospel. I’ve played sports my whole life baseball, softball, football etc. at 47 I started triathlons and did 24 total races from 2009 -2014, 2 full Ironman distances, 5 half irons and the rest were mostly Olympic distance. I stopped in 2014. My body was telling me to stop. Runners knee, delt issues etc. so I did. Now I’m dealing with Ruptured quad tendon and lateral retinaculum rupture. This was due to a 3 legged Titan preacher curl bench that wasn’t bolted to the ground and when I leaned over to set the DB down, the bench rolled and my right knee went under the bench. This happened on 4/23/24. Now I’m basically starting all over again. All those years of leg training went down the tube. My advice to the young Cats… If you don’t listen to your body whisper, one day you will definitely hear it scream. I’ve been hitting legs once a week and I’m slowly getting strength back and the muscle is slowly getting bigger. I know my knee will never be the same but I want to set an example for my 25 year old son that you will experience setbacks in life, exhaust every option you can and never give up. Matt any advice you can give me for my right leg would be awesome. I wish you were around 40 some years ago. SEMPER FORTIS!

[@WenningStrength]

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[@josephpozega4981]

@ big cat Dr. Matt. Next time I come to Columbus I definitely want to meet you. I’m in Calcutta, Ohio. 2:45 away.

[@WenningStrength]

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[@chrislopez1813]

I 100% agree! I tore my labrium and on disability in 2015 on the jobsite, i was under the care of Dr. Lombardo, head of the LA Lakers, Kerlan Jobe in Los Angeles, Dr. Lombardo warned me about the military press and other exercises.

[@WenningStrength]

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[@alexiustroskie9754]

Dude, sooo much knowledge is being transferred from this channel. Wenning strength and renaissance periodization are my go to channels for knowledge on lifting. I like Dr Wenning's view, because it's not only hypertrophy based

[@TheBaitShopGuy]

Awesome video. Ive known about overhead pressing being bad from personal experience over ten years ago.Doug Brignole had some info on the shoulder press also. Also those bottomed out parallel bar dips i see sometimes in the gym omg i understand people are trying to stretch their chest but look at the amount of shoulder distortion. Interesting thing about overhead presses. Theres a 55+ standing dumbbell group class where people are new to lifting. People in the class are getting real shoulder injuries and the overhead press is the ONLY shoulder exercise they are doing.

[@WenningStrength]

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[@morbidcorvid9294]

The only exercises you should avoid are ones that don't challenge you(unweighted pushups, triceps kickback etc). Avoiding OHP and dips is a great way to keep your shoulders underdeveloped and prone to injury. The body adapts to everything given appropriate progression, there are no "unsafe" exercises.

[@WenningStrength]

Keep telling yourself that 💪

[@maxb4210]

Pushups are excellent for strength endurance, there’s a reason it’s still the standard for most SOF indoc programs out there

[@shuhelahmed4433]

Interesting, when you say military presses would that include seated dumbbell presses? If so how about if we do it with a neutral grip instead?

[@sunbeamcostrength]

I’m 53, and all 3 of these I stopped doing over the last couple years because of pain in my left shoulder. I still do OHP very successfully (275 lbs, standing, push press), and substituted a tricep extension variant using a Swiss bar for dips to isolate the tricep. I am currently a competitive powerlifter and strongman, and don’t have any holes in my programming by eliminating these very 3 movements that you talk about here.

[@WenningStrength]

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[@broad405]

I find doing front and behind the neck press with the curling bar feels alot better with less strain on the shoulders

[@AdriaanNothnagel]

100% True. I notice the following pattern with Westside barbell - Rarely, only on ME upper body day, as part of the conjugate system do Westside barbell implement overhead presses as a main exercise. The seated barbell pin press in the power rack, and only as a main exercise. Not as an assistance exercise. Shoulders are mostly done afterwards on bench day with exercises like side and front raises and rear deltoid moves. The only bicep exercises done are hammer curls or reverse barbell curls. That heavy military press after bench is not good for the shoulders. As far as dips are concerned, they really boosted my bench. But my shoulder started hurting after a while after doing them.

[@howardmoss241]

Never had a problem with dips. It has been a staple movement since I first started lifting. I also do them weighted. Still do them till this day at 52. You don’t need to go excessively deep to get good stimulation, and don’t need to completely lock out at the top which can cause problems I always keep the elbows slightly bent when I lock out. I used to have more of a problem with my shoulder with bench press until I got my form better. I over head press with a barbell every now and then, but I prefer kettlebells. They smoke the shoulders! Mobility is the key.

[@WenningStrength]

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[@7266jp]

I agree with dips and isolated bicep training. The problem with overhead press is most people perform it with a wide grip on the barbell which I feel places a lot of stress on the joint and tendons . I train it once a week only 2-3 sets but my hands are in close where I keep it in the scapular plane which is the preferred plane of motion for the shoulders . Sometimes I will throw in some DB presses instead of the barbell and I do the DB presses with a neutral grip instead of barbell grip. These I feel are pretty safe as well. I’m not looking to max out on it just to train them.

[@WenningStrength]

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[@Dave_Gunderson]

I think with the overhead press I just use them around every other block or a little less frequent, but the 2:1 posterior to anterior volume I learned from your videos for sure has helped my shoulders recover from overuse on overhead pressing

[@WenningStrength]

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[@bookinsights1092]

I do both seated shoulder press and paused dips and have zero issues with my shoulders.

[@WenningStrength]

Hell yea!!!! Keep it up

[@carloschavez7678]

He is definetely talking about the general public, i can also do deep dips with cero shoulder pain but many of my friends do have shoulder pain doing it.

[@georgeaclosew4gne655]

I’d have to add behind the neck lat pull downs to the list.. totally agree with your list!

[@criemo1]

Salty Bromley response video incoming soon.

[@WenningStrength]

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[@sw4841]

I agree with you… if these are done do light weight… bicep preachers are too dangerous most pressure is in the elbow

[@eagle5501]

My shoulders got big fast with behind the neck barbell presses than I got problems. Stopped doing them. Dips hurt my shoulders Stopped doing them. Recently got a double inguinal hernia diagnosis. Are hernias common in powerlifting?

[@rl00668]

Great video dude. Many need to hear it. Dips are a friggin death trap if youre not built well for it either. I've seen a guy crack their sternum cartilage from that angle and pressure. Cant bench anymore and barely lifts. You're right about the OHP, if you do it too often, the shoulders start getting pretty crispy. Once a month or couple months is plenty for me.

[@WenningStrength]

Yep I’ve seen similar

[@ddwfw]

The first few times I did dips, my sternum was extremely sore. I regressed them with my legs on the floor and did a lot of volume shy of failure. Now they don't bother me and I feel a great stretch. I'm not a high level lifter or a doctor, but I've never seen anyone doing things with common sense and getting hurt. This reminds me of a comment under a jefferson curl video where a guy said he can't even work because he broke his back with it, they asked him how heavy he went and he said 200 lbs. On a freaking Jefferson curl.

[@LeagueofTai]

What about strong men that do a ton of overhead press?

[@WenningStrength]

If you saw how bad KAZ shoulders were you would think twice

[@simonize251]

Also, ask yourself what’s the average length of a strongman’s career 🤷

[@WenningStrength]

@@simonize251great point as well

[@atodaso1668]

Probably why Mitch Hooper does more of a standing bench press.

[@ed1341]

Very interesting Dr. Wenning, I can see the issues you pointed out about the OHP, I wonder if most of these issues also take place on the Incline benchpress given the somewhat more relaxed shoulder position

[@WenningStrength]

I think far less

[@mrpink6022]

Injuries in general are cause from imbalances in the body. Most people chase PR'S and never stick with proper weight long enough to stabilize the muscle. Intensity by nature should be used sparingly. Train don't Strain. I stopped weight training and did Bodyweight exercises and couldn't believe how good I felt. . If something doesn't' feel right don't do. There's so many alternative exercises to choose from...

[@nicowins]

I agree with the overhead presses and dips. Dips is a lot of pressure when you are 250+ pounds in weight! You talk about the tricep getting stronger - what exercises do you recommend for strength?

[@WenningStrength]

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[@horses2572]

yeah agree, i still do dips but really slow and pause at the end of range of motion. i cut out overhead press years ago, dont need it when i have bench and lateral raises. Matt talks a lot about bench being a tricep-dominant exercise, whereas most people think it's primarily a pec exercise. but you could also do a closer grip to make it even more tricep-focused.

[@AhmedRaza-lv3id]

I would argue that the bench causes more damage to the shoulder joint then the ohp

[@WenningStrength]

Argue away 🏆🏆🏆

[@hipdrive]

How?

[@mikegold6256]

I'm 56 and dips are a big part of my workout. I also do overhead press but not behind my head. Yes I have shoulder issues but I can still lift. I also had a bicep tear so I don't do curls as much as I had in the past.

[@WenningStrength]

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[@TheAyatollahofNofappollah]

Wow! I will incorporate this advice and see what happens. Unfortunately, my right shoulder has been a little spicy on a good day, or weakened/numb/tingly on a bad day for almost 20 years. Thanks 😊

[@WenningStrength]

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[@Futurelawyer812]

1:26 I’ll never forget the formaldehyde smell from dissecting cadavers in college

[@WenningStrength]

God it’s brutal

[@daltonmason62]

Im 923 years old, been lifting since i was swimming around in my dad's nuts. I do all of these exercises until failure twice a day, and have never had an injury, not even a stubbed toe, so yeah! Take that! (Hope the sarcasm is obvious enough...)

[@WenningStrength]

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[@DanBarbatti]

Great stuff Matt ! I quit doing overhead press long ago, do limited bicep isolation and no dips so I guess I am good ;)

[@WenningStrength]

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[@standardcountry63]

I do a lot of overhead pressing in steongman. What keeps my shoulders fairly healthy is i dont max TF out of overhead pressing all the time. And i do a lot of medium to light weight db shoulder workouts.

[@WenningStrength]

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[@inspiRED2441]

With every video of yours that I watch, the desire to go back to school mounts (and it was already pretty high to begin with). 🤓🤝🏻 PS I’ve ALWAYS hated dips; thank you for validating that I never have to do them again. 👏🏻😂

[@WenningStrength]

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[@wigletron2846]

I cut out dips awhile ago. Never felt much from them except shoulder pain. I do bare minimum bicep work and have been questioning if overhead pressing is really necessary for bodybuilding purposes.

[@WenningStrength]

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[@myspineguy]

Dr. Wenning do you think there's a difference (as far as shoulder injury is concerned) between standard barbell military pressing and Neutral Grip overhead pressing with a multi-grip bar or a Log Press in strongman training? My reasoning is that the change in grip and subsequent change in humeral head position reduces shoulder impingement and is by nature a more triceps dominant from of overhead pressing. Interested to hear your thoughts and thank you!

[@WenningStrength]

He’s I think that may help a tad for sure

[@WiecznieNieNasycony]

Behind the neck press is better than standard ohp dips are aquats for upper body If someone weighs around 80-90 kilos range, doing dips shouldn't be a problem for biceps preacher curls with dumbbells are very good you do them with full way of motion with correct technique

[@WenningStrength]

Glad you watched the video and paid close attention to the papers

[@Wtizreal]

What about pressing high incline shoulder press on bench isn't that less bad

[@alexiustroskie9754]

Good question mate

[@williamlawlor7445]

It buys you time. Your still jambing the tendons.

[@Wtizreal]

What about elbows tucked?

[@garettklein3806]

I can military press with 0 pain during or after, and I’m 23. Does that mean I’ll run into shoulder pain down the road even though I have none right now?

[@michaelspataro5316]

What are your thoughts on OHP with a earthquake bar?

[@zeroman155]

Which exercises are safe for shoulders, triceps, and biceps?

[@WenningStrength]

Great questions.

[@dieterh.9342]

54, 41 year lifter. Blew out left shoulder doing dips. Also agree with bearish bicep advice.

[@patrickjulius7352]

Great stuff! Does high incline press (like 60 degrees) have the same problems?

[@bjarman125]

Maybe the general public gets hurt doing overhead work because they are weak and fragile....i build electrical substations and do mp weekly and have no shoulder pain and lifting tools over my head is a more submaximal event for me compared to others because my strength ceiling has been rais3d by training the mp movement in the gym...if the general public has injuries related to work overhead I think that's a terrible indicator of the mp therefore being bad for you. If the general population and associated injuries is the litmus test then I just don't think that's a logical way to assess just about any injury because it's a fragile sick population that's already injury prone

[@ddwfw]

Right, I used to watch a physio's channel and he got me paranoid about everything. He warned against deadlifting, overhead pressing, God forbid you attempted a goodmorning, etc. I don't understand how a pain free exercise progressed with patience can silently deteriorate your body and one day you wake up all broken. I'm not an expert of course, it's just a thought off the top of my head.

[@Fitnessheretic]

@@ddwfw I do wonder how people who say 'xyz exercise destroyed my abc' got to that situation. I've only ever gotten bad injuries training with way too much fatigue and high intensity when I was younger and I've always been able to rehab the area to become stronger and more resilient than before.

[@ddwfw]

@@Fitnessheretic That's my experience as well, I think people who are seriously injured just did way too much without recovering. David Goggins destroyed his knees with jogging, Ronnie Coleman did conventional exercises and he's in a wheelchair. Did they do activities that are instrinsically dangerous or did they just go crazy on them without listening to their bodies? I've been doing MMA since I was a kid, all my injuries came from my teen years of fighting like an ape, now I wrestle and all that other stuff every week and I have zero issues because I use my brain.

[@thepsychopimp]

If overhead pressing is bad for the shoulders, what about overhead pulling?

[@rl00668]

@@thepsychopimp pulling down and away on the joint seems to be therapeutic for it rather than pushing up and grinding it in.

[@stepheneldridge3637]

I agree. Have never been able to find a good way to do dips without pain. So i just quit. I only do enough bicep work to avoid injury. I still overhead press, but I enjoy strongman. I dont find log pressing to be as stressful as strict barbell overhead pressing though. Maybe it's the neutral grip and leg drive.

[@richardzillion4948]

I'm 70 years old. I've been weight traing since I was 12. I do 1 set of single arm land mine presses per week. I do 1 set of dips per week. I never do preacher or any other iso biceps work. I shoulder injury and my dog did that.

[@WenningStrength]

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[@kikibah2001]

The problem is ""NEVER'' in the title . As one should never do ONLY or NEVER of something. People such as workers, crossfiters that ended up with shoulder issues have developped imbalance from doing too much of over head work , doesn't mean over head press is bad, the same goes for bench pressing which is even worse from the shoulder scapula restriction perspective. I stopped bench pressing to only focus on OHP and shoulders feels a lot better so....

[@WenningStrength]

@@kikibah2001 oh?? How much do you overhead press??

[@kikibah2001]

@@WenningStrength Not much i guess but who care? heavy enough comparatively to my bench or dips that create more shoulder problem than the OHP. Does your advice only concern people lifting over 300lbs? Workers you cited got injuries from overuse they don't carry 200lbs hammers overhead and crossfitters get injuries from the kipping and all sloppy bad form excessive volume, not just over head press. Weightlifters don't end up with shoulder issues neither and they lift crazy heavy load relatively to their BW. I don't contest your expertise but the ''Never''''is a bit excessive and some reasons you gave are off the point although alternative to ''Onlly'' OHP are valid and good advice like the triceps extension for example. Thx for taking the time to have red and replied.

[@Vargsohn]

reverse curls, fat grip hammer Curls and fat grips ez curls too ? 😿 is assisted dip maschine ok to use ?

[@WenningStrength]

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[@DonaldHayes-u1g]

In your over 40 book various curls are part of arm day, do you now recommend another exercise to replace them?

[@cristi188]

Thanx!

[@kapitankapow]

If it dont feel good dont do it, if it feels good and it works then do it

[@WenningStrength]

@@kapitankapow yep then there’s a thing called mileage that doesn’t creep up until later. Good luck

[@bastardator6229]

Hello!! If you take chest presses off is it good for shoulder press development? I dont care doing bench but I want my ohp better. I do narrow grip bench for triceps but I use light weights. Thank you!!

[@WenningStrength]

Come on patreon for training questions my friend 🙏

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[@Renman78]

Does it make it any safer doing Military Presses with Dumbbells as opposed to a Barbell?

[@WenningStrength]

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[@WenningStrength]

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[@janoycresva276]

Doing the benchpress with dumbbells is but even then, incline dumbbell press at a 45 degree angle is better than doing it flat because the 45 degree angle maximizes pectoral stimulation similar to how a 45 degree angle maximizes projectile motion distance.

[@dschroeda]

Feel like if a retired shoulder surgeon and Louie reached the same conclusion on ohp then def an exercise to avoid

[@WenningStrength]

Yep!!! But it won’t change the masses 😂😂😂😂

[@Turley30]

​@WenningStrength I think it's because you have a small percentage of people like Mike O'Hearn who are genetic freaks, and people assume they can compete with that or "he does it mentally". For the majority of the population and those who can't afford PT / stem cells... I agree with you 100%.

[@atodaso1668]

My neck and shoulder have never been the same since I didn't warm up before my heavy sets doing military press.

[@WenningStrength]

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[@MathiasSportsPredictions]

With exercises like pull ups and lat pull downs, where arms are directly over the head can they cause the same type of shoulder issues? Most educational info out there! Will be buying your book to pass on to my son and teach him the right way

[@WenningStrength]

Pressure is the opposite way so actually good

[@MathiasSportsPredictions]

@ thank you Matt

[@BudgieBurgess1972]

I know quite a few brick layers and plasters that have had this extra same problem. A lot of there work is over head.

[@WenningStrength]

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[@Insaniya.humanity]

Man, came in to see if I disagreed and I couldn’t. I’m in great shape since I stopped doing them. I owe you buying one of your programs for this video. Will do right now, so if I see someone from Spain buying it, that’s me. Cheers

[@WenningStrength]

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[@jakemckague1007]

Ive had two shoulder sugeries, I would not do either of these exercises. doing Dips was hard to give up, I thought they had to be included, part of the furniture so to speak, but I realized I couldn't do them without unnecessary strain and quit doing them.

[@billlovelace1522]

MY SHOULDERS ARE IN CONSTANT PAIN AND I HAVE ADHESIVE CAPSULITIS. MY DOC TOLD ME NO MORE DIPS. PT HAS HELPED. BUT I HAVE LONG TERM ISSUES. 68 YEARS OLD.

[@WenningStrength]

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[@Ve-suvius]

I agree on those first two exercises. Overhead press and dips. But the biceps curl also. That's interesting. I had that feeling also that the curl is related to the shoulder issue. What about light dumbbell curls, just for the pump so to speak. Also what about the dumbbell flye? Thoughts , I'm eager to hear your view on this.. 👍

[@justbreathe8835]

Ive found that single dumbell overhead press is best because it allows your whole body to move freely instead of being locked in under a barbell. I switch up because after a few heavy sets of overheard barbell press i would work a kink into my upper back/neck. Shit last for days and cant reallu turn my neck

[@CankleCankle]

Yes brother, I’m so glad to see someone else say this. I like to run the rack and just hit 1-5 reps in 10 lb increments up to the 100’s.

[@K4R3N]

Matt can you can clarify that first exercise. We should avoid the behind-the-neck military OHP (leftover exercise from the 90s, i dont do them or see anyone doing them anymore) or are you suggesting we should eliminate ALL OHP from our programming? I still do seated dumbbell OHP as part of my Push day. Always thought some form of vertical push was necessary but open to deleting this, never felt great anyway.

[@WenningStrength]

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[@hipdrive]

There is no reason that ohp should be mandatory, thats bodybuilding broscience. Much lower impact ways to build the delts

[@captainavatar0]

I'm triceps dominant but I limit the amount of dips I do because of the pressure on the shoulders. Decline bench is fine because of the bracing. Behind the neck movements I'm against for that grinding. Even back squats I limit now unless I can use a setup with a wide grip, something most racks can't accommodate safely.

[@WenningStrength]

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[@justbreathe8835]

So would you say your issue is mobility?

[@JT76]

What's your opinion of Starting Strength then? The overhead press is one of the core lifts Rippetoe has everyone do and his claim is after decades of his followers doing it there are no problems with shoulder injuries if you do it like he says (fairly close grip, shrug at the top to prevent impingement).

[@WenningStrength]

You really want my opinion??? Join patreon - still paying back my doctorate

[@trapps75]

Isolating biceps no problem depends on what exercises your doing

[@janoycresva276]

I like Dr Wenning's content & agree with most of it except for the Military/Overhead Press. The way the military press was shown in the video from Arnold & the other bodybuilder at the beginning were done from behind the neck which isn't an overhead or military press which is done from the front, it's a behind the neck press which forces the shoulder joint into internal rotation causing said grinding very similar to a benchpress. When done properly from the front, the overhead press where you stand upright not hunching over & shrug at the top when you lockout puts the shoulder joint into external rotation thus making shoulder impingement & damage physically impossible. Plus the other benefits of the overhead press compared to the benchpress are far greater that for anyone who isn't a powerlifter (even powerlifters should do it also), they should do overhead pressing instead because it builds the core muscles more since you have to stay upright to do it correctly, builds the entire shoulder girdle better than the benchpress which mainly works the front delts, builds the triceps more since you have to lift it through a longer range of motion which Matt always says tricep strength is essential for the benchpress while it also builds the upper pecs simultaneously all while using a lighter weight. Also unlike the benchpress, there's no risk of getting pinned under the weight without being able to get out when doing overhead pressing, simply putting the bar back into the rack from shoulder height or dropping it in front of you in the worst case scenario is all you need to do to safely get out without getting hurt. The final point is also the strength developed, a man who only trains overhead press for his barbell press plus overhead variations & can lift 400 lbs on it with proper form will easily be able to benchpress 400 lbs if he trains it for 3 weeks if not more but a man who only trains the benchpress & can lift 400 lbs on it with proper form most likely won't be able to overhead press 300 lbs or even 250 lbs after 3 weeks of training overhead which even Matt said himself that he was benchpressing 600 but was doing 400 on the overhead press which may have even been behind the neck which is far from a bad number to do, it's world class, but highlights the massively skewed ratio of strength gained. The front squat when done with a full grip compared to a normal squat done with the bar on the back is the exact same way as overhead press compared to the benchpress.

[@WenningStrength]

Disagree but great comment 🏆

[@janoycresva276]

@@WenningStrength Thank you, great content

[@samuelclemons508]

Specifically causes an impingement of the supraspinatus tendon.

[@mikegraf7040]

Dr. Wenning what is your opinion on upright rows? They used to be a popular exercise but I hear a lot of experts including Dorian Yates say they cause shoulder impingement and should be avoided. Thank you for all your content.

[@jimt9261]

Funny, I watched a Mike O'Hearn short vid yesterday saying how behind the neck presses keep the shoulder healthy. I'm not sure what the truth is tbh. I did loads of behind the neck pressing in my youth, and my shoulders are fucked now, but I put that mostly down to not being able to build my back strength and development at the same rate as my chest development, and thus pulling my shoulders forward out of alignment. If I try any overhead pressing now, my shoulders are screaming!

[@lg20a1]

I watched mike o'hearn talking about it too, may I ask you how you did the behind the neck press? How many sets and reps? You trained to failure? Did you perform the movement with full range of motion or did you lower the barbell only to around ear level? I do behind the neck press and have no issues, but I'm in my 20s

[@clee4619]

Dr Wenning advises to avoid OHP (for the most part), but Mike O'Hearn is a big advocate of Behind The Neck OHP. Both men get good results and aren't in their 20s anymore. I'm not sure how to reconcile these two viewpoints.

[@WenningStrength]

My genetics are much more average than Ohearns for sure!!! He’s a freak of nature

[@paulwaters4672]

I was always afraid of military presses so i never done them maybe a handful of times.. great benchers would say "look how much better your bench would be but id do more movements as JM presses & simple close grip instead..i just knew doing military presses id strain something..

[@Justmyopinion761]

I do all of these exercises but I’ve been doing them since I started so my body is mobile enough to handle them AND I’m a very tricep dominant presser. I never feel my shoulders or pecs Ever working during any pressing movements. Always triceps and upper back What wrecks my shoulders is upright rows. I’ll never do them

[@Mr.a-b6s]

100% agree

[@kobey4834]

but coach i love doing dips and ohp

[@WenningStrength]

Have at it my friend

[@Turley30]

I did too but 20 years later I'm hurting like Hades. I didn't have social media or all of these resources when I was coming up. 😢

[@johnbannon2812]

I've been warming up my biceps on back day. In my wenning warmup and I haven't seen any decline in my biceps.

[@WenningStrength]

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[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

OHP - I love so much, but it always eventually causes issues after using it for some time.

[@WenningStrength]

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[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

Fyi, Dr… it’s always my elbows that eventually get pissed, or something gets strained around my trap area.

[@The-Homecook-0000]

I do all 3 of them, but my triceps are strong as shit..and so is my bench...no shoulder problems and I'm 50..my thing is I can do it with our any problem, I'm going to keep doing it..If I stop now I may lose it

[@mikegold6256]

If you really have no shoulder problems, then you are very lucky. Benching a lot is tough on the shoulders.

[@trapps75]

Does anyone know y bodybuilders done shoulder presses in the late 40s and 50s? it wasn't to build shoulders thats for sure

[@powskier]

Barbell overhead pressing does seem damaging, but what about dumbbell presses?

[@D4yyaan]

❤

[@hphgear]

So, in other words, train like John Haack and we should be good. You'll be getting a message from Mike O'hearn momentarily. 😂

[@WenningStrength]

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[@trapps75]

No pressing at all ever doesn't belong in a bodybuilders routine no dips no flyes no incline at all or flat press with barbell

[@ToddChapman-m8t]

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[@Rowland_Hoskins]

algo

[@williamlawlor7445]

This is a great vid. If I saw this 20 years ago I'd be a lot healthier in the shoulders now and you've got these ppl complaining about stuff being put up here for free??? Whatever. I'd throw upright rows, leg extensions and heavy flies in there as well. It's also a very genetically personal issue though. Dips rarely cause me issues. With regards to biceps, I blame a false male mentality of women loving big biceps. When it comes to women, your big biceps are only useful to her because you an curl your wallet out. In fact a big penis is better than a big bicep. All of that aside the biceps are one of the most useless muscles anyway.

[@WenningStrength]

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[@blacksailsbarbell5247]

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[@Давид-ч8ч]

Im 46 years old and I'm doing olympic weightlifting 4 days a week since 2 015 and i never had any issues with shoulders

[@WenningStrength]

Cool!! Good luck

[@hipdrive]

Oly lifting is completely different, the leg drive gets u out of the bottom position of the shoulder rom

[@thomasvanh1467]

Knowing Doctor Wenning, im actually surprised ''leg extensions'' aren't in this list. Anyway, i was wondering, how come so many strongman and olympic lifters dont seem to have the shoulder issues you're talking about here? Is this more because strongman do alot of variety overhead pressing, and olympic lifters ''only'' have to lock it out above the head? Or would you say these people need someone a certain degree of mobility/stability around and in the shoulder anyway to get to those levels? And that they are more the genetic anomaly that can get away with this? Sebastian Oreb is also a big proponent of overhead pressing, then again Gus Cooke says it has little carryover for most people. Both are also high level strength coaches, both also work or worked with Doctor Lock whom you know ofcourse. I'm not discredting anything here on your words Doc Wennning, im just genuinely curious. Im actually hoping now you could be doing a talk about this with Doctor Lock, and perhaps even Sebastian too, that would be interesting to see and listen.

[@patrickjulius7352]

What is Doctor Lock's recommendation on OHP?

[@thomasvanh1467]

@patrickjulius7352 i honestly wouldnt know from memory.