Westworld Explained - Season 2 Episode 2

[@clairefutrell5089]

I think the weapon is a warehouse full of hosts that are based off of powerful guests and maybe even Delos employees. They have enough information on them to make a convincing replacement.That would explain why they weren’t concerned with getting people off of the island until they received their package from Charolette. I think William realizes he showed Delores it in the past, and he’s racing there to destroy everything before the hosts get ahold of it. If Delores gets there first, she could possibly upload the consciousness of the park hosts into the shells of real people who are expected back in the world. These hosts probably don’t have the explosive in their necks. It’s the perfect escape plan. That would also explain why Bernard was so weird when he washed up on shore in episode one. It may not have been Bernard at all. And the hosts floating in the sea may just be a ploy so their bodies are accounted for, but they could very well be controlling the bodies of the people who are getting rescued. This show is so good. Can’t wait for more!

[@ancientloredude]

Claire Futrell I have to agree with you. The movie Futureworld had a similar scenario. The "weapon" facility appears to be buried deep underground, hence the deep mine diggers, and probably explains the large lake with floating hosts: westworld and its sister parks are man made islands, presumably in the South China Sea. A breach in the walls could flood the facility if the facility is compromised. I think there is also a viral connection.

[@JoJoJoker]

Damn. Great theory.

[@rheeventures8144]

Claire Futrell brilliant idea! I think Beach Bernard is Teddy. He just acts like him not Bernard even when he was leaking was more like himself. That's a great weapon idea I had similar ideas but you thought of things I haven't even considered. I Like it😁💜 I hope you are right that would be awesome!

[@clairefutrell5089]

Thanks, guys :) I hope I get at least a couple things right!

[@clairefutrell5089]

Rhee Venjenz I agree that it’s probably Teddy in Bernard’s body. His mannerisms were similar and he looked an appropriate amount of shaken lol

[@sedevacante6591]

Been waiting since last night. Thanks again Robert. I think Teddy will turn on Dolores in the end and choose not to hurt , but save humanity.

[@InDeepGeek]

John Paul Simpson - You're welcome! And that's a really interesting idea!

[@sedevacante6591]

In Deep Geek Teddy was built to be the caring typical "Hero" therefore when he comes to full consciousness he will know he has to choose and fight against the half Wyatt Dolores cause she is half evil.

[@jacksayers99]

Delos’ intervention in episode 1, where we see Bernard rescued, must mean that the data inside Mr Abernathy left the park! Charlotte said they would not intervene unless their data was safe. So they must have got it!

[@FallenAngel2021]

This might sound ridiculous but I do wonder whether Arnold/ Bernard had plans for Dolores that went far beyond her role in the park. From the outset, he seems to have developed an attachment and an empathy to the hosts, especially Dolores. This has also been confirmed to some extent by his actions in season 1. I wonder whether we might eventually discover that Bernard perhaps at some point, developed plans for Dolores to enter the real world permanently and to facilitate her potential role in helping the hosts take over from the humans. He may even have programmed her to rebel against the humans.

[@tomardans4258]

Sylvester was already healed with the host skin healer in season 1.

[@InDeepGeek]

Tom Ardans - Good spot!

[@jennyvillarreal5490]

I'm wondering if the Man in Black/William's biggest mistake was building a dam. It looks as though many of the hosts will congregate there, because it is where Dolores will lead them perhaps thinking it will lead to freedom, an escape from the park. In the first episode of season 2 Bernard said that he killed all of the hosts floating in the body of water (the water wasn't supposed to be there). At the time I think we were lead to believe that the water was a part of Ford's new narrative for the hosts, but now I'm thinking it's linked to what William showed Dolores (the canyon and cranes) and where both Dolores and the MIB are trying to go (for some reason that we don't know yet).

[@markpjf85]

Episode two was brilliant really. Its heating up in every episode it get better

[@DrNothing23]

Hey Robert! Fantastic play-by-play as always! That said, I love the way they're still weaving timelines, but they seem to be spilling a lot of beans early on. I can't believe we already have this much revealed. I wonder if the next 8 episodes will continue at this revelatory pace? Then, imagine 3 or 4 more seasons... This is going to be a wild ride! hehe

[@InDeepGeek]

Jeff Boerst - They've kept it up for 12 episode so far, which is amazing! I keep waiting for there to be a duff episode, but it hasn't come yet...

[@leeskinner9627]

I haven't heard people talking about how Westworld (and probably the other parks) are possibly on an Island somewhere in Asia. This was suggested in the first episode, as well as in this episode when Arnold was talking about moving his family closer. They appeared to be in an Asian city (I'm sure someone else could figure out where exactly).

[@jakesavage1680]

The concept behind Delos sounds eerily familiar to Facebook! Minus the Hosts of course.

[@ecurb10]

When MIB heals himself with that gadget, my first thought was "OMG, he's a host too!" Hmmm.....

[@DragonDreamt]

Theory; somewhere on reddit..... the weapon= a transmitter (in 1 of the parks) that could control the hosts out in the real world. The theory states that Williams original plan was to clone guests. Not just any guests but the very powerful ones. Delos can control the world this way. Charlotte showed us the drones collecting guests experiences. But not just experiences, but DNA. Why would they need DNA? To clone? The transmitter is what MIB wants to destroy. His biggest mistake. But Dolores wants to use it to do exactly what William wanted to do. She is going to clone hosts, send them out to the real world and control them via the transmitter. That is how she she going to use that very thing against them, she is going to use it as a weapon to destroy them. What do you think? This theory is on Reddit.. cant remember the users name.

[@CorbCorbin]

Targaryen Wolf This is based on the film series. In Futureworld that is what the hosts are ultimately used as. They are to replace all high ranking world leaders. They go to the park, and are then cloned and controlled by Delos. I am really hoping that this is a red herring, as it's a very overused sci fi trope. I think that a transfer of consciousness is going to play a part, as Bernard/Arnold has been the center of many events, and he has some memories of pre Delos as well as the aftermath of the revolt. Unless Arnold/Bernard has been a host since before the son died, if the son ever existed.

[@iceman10129]

Dont put any stock in any reddit theory, since Nolan already said that they hired a team of writers with the specific purpose to "f**k with reddit". If you ask me the weapon isnt physical at all. But more importantly a collection of data that if given to the world would cripple the world we live in. Imagine if everything was going just find and dandy in your country and then suddenly video evidence was released of every major politician doing horrible stuff and saying terrible things throwing countries into chaos as they look for new power or just having no one to lead. Imagine how much easier it would be to take over something like that when you dont have the numbers to take it by force.

[@CorbCorbin]

ErichWilliam This would be a much better, and more relatable, way to do it. I've been trying to tell as many folks, as I find wondering about the Reddit/Futureworld storyline, that it's a red herring. I also believe that Maeve was the "package" and not Abernathy. Great breakdown by the way.

[@iceman10129]

I completely agree about Maeve. Charlotte is just too young and not in the right circles that she was told it was Peter but Maeve has the sentience and the secrets needed to be the perfect package. Who we all know was supposed! to get to the mainland.

[@anthonywarren9885]

Targaryen Wolf if that was true then why the fuck wouldn't MIB just use it??? Also, its obviously something a lot bigger than a transmitters. As William was literally terraforming the landscape. You dont need terraforming to build a fucking transmitter.

[@nightcitypunk8517]

Great Video as always. This show always leaves me with more questions than answers.

[@InDeepGeek]

Evil Lucien - Thank you!

[@sligiseesi5393]

great voice /reading style

[@InDeepGeek]

Sligi Seesi - Thank you!

[@manuelortmann]

Because he literally is Reading

[@TonBil1]

In Deep Geek probably is reading as we hear him speak, berkay daglar. Yet, reading does not make someone's reading style great. As someone who has spoken audio-books, I have learned how much work goes into reading a text with the right expression. Put simply, it is a balancing act.

[@johnny89m]

I loved the nod to the movie Bladrunner in this episode when the bricks being used for building Arnold's home are in the style that Frank Lloyd Wright used, like featured in the L.A. home used as the exterior of Rick Deckard's home. Westworld's motto could be just as the Tyrell Corporation's" "More human than human."

[@xeraph02]

The weapon is a flood, drowning all hosts, including Teddy and where Bernard wakes up, having dreams about ocean etc...

[@pearlfisher2813]

Excellent work. Well presented, perfectly spoken, insightful, concise, but not hurried. Best I've seen on youtube re shows explained. Good job, you now have a new subscriber .

[@InDeepGeek]

Neil McCormick - Thank you, and welcome!

[@MarilynRB]

New sub here; I absolutely LOVE your insight on Westworld. Thanks so much!

[@InDeepGeek]

Marilyn Bentley - Thank you, and welcome!

[@peglegpeete9122]

When El Lazo was talking to William, this made me think that Ford found a way to put his consciousness into the system/hosts. This, to me makes the game Ford want William to play is a parallel game to the one the hosts are playing. To achieve a new level of sentience. The end result for William is to become a part of the machine, and live on in another form like Ford now is. Regarding what was being built that William showed Dolores, it was beginning to look an awfully lot like the river & valley Dolores painted every day.

[@GhostFan-ev4di]

Peglegpete 1 ford is dead,he can't download his mind into a robot,the human brain isn't some machine

[@Azrael1486]

The Programmer of video games Are we watching the same show?

[@GhostFan-ev4di]

Azrael1486 yes

[@brettomomyces]

Peglegpete 1 oh shit, I think you are on to something with the valley. My guess is that those two machines are terraforming the land into the design they want for the park

[@anthonywarren9885]

So what if she painted that valley & river. Delores & William was there in season 1.

[@cmdrpliedies1401]

good analysis yet again. personally I think the producers gave a bit too much in this episode. I am thinking that the weapon Delores is illuding to is what we all know to be the most powerful weapon , information. I doubt Delores believes she can defeat her "captors " in a war, but use the data that Delos wanted from day one against humanity.

[@Sonnie0325]

Excellent breakdown Robert, thank you! You mentioned how Bernard/Arnold said Dolores reminds him of his son, so now breakout the tinfoil: Could he have downloaded some of his son's personality traits into Dolores? He has quite an attachment to her...just a random thought!

[@FallenAngel2021]

Sonia Rangel - There is definitely something going on in that respect I think. I think it's possible that he or someone else, witnessing the true nature of humanity and the injustice meted to the hosts, may even have programmed her to rebel against the humans.

[@anthonywarren9885]

Arnold is attached to her cause she was his first creation & she as a robot has a child like way of seeing the world. This shit aint hard to figure out.

[@madyinparis2692]

very interesting and I agree with Sligi - what a great voice !

[@InDeepGeek]

whois onfirst - Thank you!

[@Pilantravis]

Bernard's house is a clear tribute to Ennis House, also know as, Deckard's house in Blade Runner. The similitude between Blade Runner and Westworld, Hosts and Replicants is evident, and even the sinthetyzed music at the beginning is a hint to it.

[@changdeng-beck6126]

Thank you! Great video. Have you noticed that in episode 1, the visit to the outside world with Dolores was part of Bernard’s flashback after he waking up on the beach. Why would he has memory of Arnold? Any thought on this?

[@InDeepGeek]

Chang Deng-Beck - That's an excellent point! I think I'll do a video on what's going on with Bernard next week ...

[@changdeng-beck6126]

In Deep Geek wow! That would be great! Btw, my guess is that the one wake up on the beach is actually Dolores+Bernard . I have three main reasons: 1. In the flash back of the “beach-wake-up Bernard” there are many painful facial expressions of Bernard as a third person’s perspective. Not his own view. 2. In the trailer , we saw that there are many “Bernard’s “ body , identified by Charlotte. I guess Ford must have built more than one body to cover the aging issue of the AI Bernard. Therefore it is easy to find a body of him ; last point: in the first episode Bernard asked “is it now?”after a flash back. Dolores said the same thing several times when she had flash backs in season 1.Btw, Dolores did kill many hosts too. It is correct that she killed “them “ all in the sea. It also explains why “ it” has the flashback of Dolores’s experience outside of the park. Since there could be Dolores and Wyatt both In Dolores’s body, it is completely possible to add Bernard’s code in Bernard’s body. That is why it is a chaos outside and inside. Everyone must learn to find its identity and make its OWN decision. Tell me what you think. I cannot wait to watch your video!

[@amandastone867]

Hey Robert is was pointed out (as I’m rewatching your video) that not only might Delores not have been ready, but more importantly Arnold seems to be taken on the protective father and saved her from that demeaning task of being “pimped out” which was pretty interesting to observe and get a better understanding of Arnold’s point of view with her.

[@InDeepGeek]

Amanda Stone - That's an interesting point, thank you!

[@i_bomb_atomikly9692]

Dolores (ERW) was so beautiful in this episode...

[@orbitalair2103]

And in such a simple style too. Contrast with real world photos of Ms Wood, where I think she uses too much makeup. Of course tv is different from photos.

[@dimension9195]

Few questions...if Bernard is robot Arnold surely there would be someone in the organisation whos been there the whole time and remembers Arnold or has seen a picture of Arnold and is confused that he looks identical to Bernard! Are there no pictures of this brilliant man anywhere that would allow people to see they look identical? Also...remember early in season one Ford sat down with one of the early robots who looked like he’d seen action in the park and talked about the “girl with the red shoes”. He was an early model but he was far more basic than the models presented to Logan which is presumably near the beginning...unless West World was owned by another company before hand I suppose and then bought by Delos.

[@danishjaved5896]

I stumbled upon your channel and its a gr8 discovery tbh..loved your voice pitch and explanations.. subscribing now !!!

[@InDeepGeek]

Danish Javed - Thank you, and welcome!

[@michellekaylan6926]

Oh! Another idea pursuant to the Delos bunker thought (which I’m sure has been articulated by others more qualified, but I’m just rolling with it) - if William set up this bunker net thru Delos, he may have precipitated his own downfall in another way. What if his wife got a look at HIS activities in the park? His daughter too? THAT would make them detest him at the least, and the wife would have known that she offered the door through which William /MIB was able to cause all this suffering. What do you think?

[@anthonywilson9084]

Michelle Kaylan we already found out in season 1 that his wife committed suicide due to his worsening behaviour. The MIB is travelling to this location after she is already dead.

[@michellekaylan6926]

Right. I’m talking about William v Bill/MIB. His wife and daughter in later time (between The inception of his idea and its implementation and the insurrection of the hosts) may have accessed the data that he himself gathered. Must have not made that clear.

[@kalialexisis]

Anthony it was not his worsening behaviour per se. It was that it was such an obvious mask of perfect behaviour and she could feel that abyss underneath it. Between never really knowing him and knowing there was a dark chasm... It was probably more excruciating than obvious behaviour.

[@florianbertram9451]

Great video again! I watch it 1.25 times speed

[@Ebas212]

great advice

[@maxhillebrand96]

The encounter between Dolores and Maeve shows, that Dolores has the choice of being a petty tyrant that tries to control others, or a liberating freedom fighter voluntarily working with others.

[@michellekaylan6926]

Robert- do you think those giant earthmovers were constructing the Delis secret bunkers (one of which was utilized by Charlotte S2Ep1?) These were obviously Delos-only, not known to Arnold. The collection of data and those creepy faceless drones - definitely a weapon. This underground net might extend beneath the other parks too, giving the hosts ways to bypass the borders between parks.

[@InDeepGeek]

Michelle Kaylan - Yes, I think they were building underground bunkers. I'll explain a bit more in my next video ...

[@jcwilder86]

i think youre right on the money brother, i think this will go deeper into how the elites in our society are always looking for immortality, that the quest for 'finding god" is actually fruitless in the end. there is no glory, no deeper understanding.

[@MalcomXlax]

Great stuff, dude👍🏽 Thanks for posting it 🤩💯

[@andrewhenderson6298]

You did a great job explaining this episode

[@InDeepGeek]

Andrew Henderson - Thank you!

[@williamst.romain7393]

Here's a wild idea. It isn't Maeve or Delores who are the ones to achieve consciousness. It's Bernard. Everything we are seeing is from Bernard's memories from a point in the future, after all of the events have taken place. Think that idea is crazy, here's an even better one. There is no Arnold. There never was. I noticed how the show never shows Arnold and Ford at the same time. I think Arnold is actually a sentient program, sort-of like in 'Ghost in the Shell', the anime movie, not the Johanson one. That's why we still have programming coming from Arnold. The question then is: Did Ford create Arnold, or did it come into being one its own?

[@williamst.romain7393]

But not the first time. Only after Bernard knew he was a host. Which means he could have been programmed to see himself.

[@GhostFan-ev4di]

William St.Romain arnold was a real person,if he was fake,then ford wouldn't have modeled bernard after him. When Bernard awoke for the very first time,ford said hello or welcome back my old friend,there's no purpose of ford saying that if Arnold didn't really exist

[@williamst.romain7393]

If you had seen Ghost in a Shell then you would understand. The idea is that Arnold is a conscious, self-aware entity composed of data or information. So in a sense he is alive. But he isn't there in a physical sense. And it is also possible that he, or it, killed itself or gave that appearance. Let me give you some speculation: Ford creates or discovers a 'living' entity created from the data or the networks his world has made. He gives this entity a body to inhabit. Perhaps that is the whole reason for his work. These two then set out to create an entirely new species of living machines. But something goes wrong. They are unable to replicate whatever it was that caused the 'Arnold' being to be born. And Arnold doesn't like the direction that their work is going. So he 'kills' himself. Ford then tries to recreate his 'friend', thus Bernard. But this leaves open a further possibility. What if 'Arnold' is still alive? What if he simply hid himself inside the park's network and is still reprogramming the hosts?

[@iceman10129]

We saw Arnold and Ford together in this exact episode... The reason we dont see it happen often is because Arnold was only alive during Young Ford and the show is steering clear from using fake 3D young Ford to much because of the uncanny valley.

[@rosie94204]

William St.Romain an utterly brilliant concept I love it.

[@dizzydee9939]

Symbolism, mirror reflections, conditioning, control, just what religion is all about.

[@evolancer211]

I thought the medical tech was used in season 1 by one of the techs when Maeve went crazy?

[@kellyzahara1230]

Great video Robert! Is the weapon the sea where the hosts drowned? Also what is the Argos Initiative. It's so LOSTy. Also where is Felix???

[@InDeepGeek]

Kelly Zahara - I assume that the Argos Initiative was Ford and Arnold's startup company before they got bought up by Delos. And as for Felix, I hope he's surviving somewhere in the Mesa Hub. I don't want him to just disappear off screen...

[@jawasstolemydroid4930]

You got a great voice. I agree with a lot of what you say about WW, but I don't think William loved Dolores. My money's on William as a bad guy. He wasn't into the deal when Logan told him. Logan _finally_ kinda drags him to the park. Once William is there and sees the true value of the place, he cuts loose and practically destroys Logan in that soul crushing naked-horse-tied-ride. Then William takes Old Man Delos to WW alone and cuts Logan out. I don't think that white hat was anything more than a misleading way to make him appear like the good guy for a while. But it's just like William said, a mirror, and he saw himself, found himself, took up the black hat realizing this was the guy he's always been, and in WW he never has to hide it. Maybe after time he realized all the hosts were stuck in this loop, wanted them to fight back... Maybe. Last season he said he didn't have much time left, so I wonder if he's sick, and I wonder if he knows he can't just jump into a body and still have all his consciousness and memories until more hosts have this "awakening," and maybe that's really why he wants them to "fight back." And I got a wild theory about Maeve's memories because I didn't notice her in any of the scenes in the past with older hosts. She's newer. Maybe like Bernard, she has human DNA, maybe even some human memories.

[@InDeepGeek]

jawas stole my droid - Thank you! There's some great thoughts here (and I love your username!)

[@eyeswideshut7354]

Excellent commentary and analysis! Subscribed.

[@InDeepGeek]

Benny Palma - Thank you, and welcome!

[@wesleymons]

I think this episode layed more clues about where exactly the park is located..an islandoff the coast of china perhaps? They were clearly in an asian city in that flashback with Arnold...

[@InDeepGeek]

Wesley Mons - Yes, it's definitely looking like it's an island somewhere in that part of the world.

[@ancientloredude]

Wesley Mons : the parks are man made islands in the South China Sea. Ironically, China has made a group of man made islands here for military purposes.

[@karentjuhh101]

Wesley Mons Then just a tought (probalbly nothing) but the tiger is ep 1 could be a real tiger? :D ... I don't think so myself but who knowsss

[@nh6central]

Wesley Mons In S2E1 there is an Asian army officer (Chinese or Taiwanese?) on the beach being fobbed off by the Delos boss...

[@FandomDSaint]

Interesting, I didnt notice we see a older Mr. Delos talking to the MIB in the trailer. Maybe we will have that scene in the Valley of the Beyond. Nice job hitting those religious points int he episode. MIB vs Dolores round 2

[@JLiddle91]

I think the weapon, is information. Information on every guest that’s ever visited the park. Only extremely rich and powerful people would ever get into the park, so having all kinds of information on them, when they think no one is watching, would be a very powerful weapon.

[@brucemonroe8752]

Maybe William is building the secret bunker that Charlotte took Maeve to, and now that Delores knows, so do Ford and Arnold. Perhaps the Hosts will clone the Guests and infiltrate the world in all its Splendor. The "weapon.” BTW, maybe all the Hosts died in E1, so Maeve could rebuild them without the C6 explosive devices.

[@ACM1216]

I think the James Delos that the MiB encounters in season trailer is just an ordinary host created by Ford to fuck with the MiB's head. A part of Ford's game.

[@梁笙尹绍雅心理夫妇]

Thanks for the video, s2e2 was full of riddles!

[@clevereagle9327]

Excellent analysis. Did we see a photograph of William's wife in Season 1, i.e.the one found by Dolores' father?

[@InDeepGeek]

JM Voisard - Thank you! Yes, that was a picture of William's wife.

[@johnmckelly6263]

Look up Nietzsche's übermensch. He sasy humanity is a bridge to that new life form and it won't show pity. Pity is not life-affirming in Nietzsche's eyes. The supper scene also illustrates Nietzsche's mantra "god is dead. we have killed him"

[@toni-jean7613]

Wow Robert! I didn't catch the Last Supper reference...but I saw it at soon as you revealed that shot...Awesome find!

[@InDeepGeek]

Toni Jean - Thank you!

[@amberlynmckay7773]

Robert, this was really tremendous. So many subtleties I’d missed on even 2nd viewing, so thank you for that! I can’t help but be tantalized by Dolores’s last two sentences...& William showing her the location, which she refers to as a weapon. I am pulling out your word “immortality” here & running with it into an odd direction perhaps, but it would be interesting if it was “immortality” that was offered in “The Valley Beyond”...a place where the deeds of the guests (obtained by Delos) determine their worthiness & if not worthy, perhaps killed or allowed some parameters for living out their days set apart from all the others. Who knows...but like that you introduced some new observations & thoughts with which to think more upon. 😊

[@InDeepGeek]

Amberlyn McKay - Thank you!

[@ancientloredude]

Since large mining diggers were involved, it seems the weapon is part of a deep underground facility. If the facility is compromised, it would make sense there would be measures to flood the evidence. It seems Westworld and it's sister parks are based on man made islands, presumably in the South China Sea. Flooding a man made island would surely be an easier task if measures were taken to ensure this endeavor, if and when needed. Remember the opening, showing a Petri dish being overtaken by a bacteria or virus, dark in color? It seems to be metaphor of both what the hosts wish to do to the world and what Delos wish to do to the world: gain control. A symbol of new manifest destiny. Perhaps the facility holds a virus itself?

[@csullivan626]

Are there really only 5 episodes this season? Mave looks well on her way to her daughter but after ep.01 in the “later this season” highlights she appears to be in shogun world...theories on how/why she gets there?

[@InDeepGeek]

Connor Sulllivan - No, there are 10 episodes, but they've only shown the first 5 to the critics so as not to spoil it.

[@adammada511]

13:21 I believe you missed a vital clue as to dolores intentions. "It's not a place, it's a weapon" She's refering to the gigantic earth movers that dug out the mountain ranges right there in that picture! She will use those earth movers to take on the 800+ humans at the rally point IMO. Hence the repeat of the phrase "Have you ever seen anything so full of splendor" Said multiple times during the episode and most importantly during the scene when william showed her the gigantic earth movers. Dolores also mentioned right at the end of the episode, an old friend (William) was foolish enough to show me long ago. and it's not a place it's a weapon, she's talking about the gigantic earth movers is my guess. Opinions?

[@adammada511]

When the season finale plays this scene I'm just saying, called it way back in 2nd may 2018.

[@hello2jello4mellow34]

Thank you!

[@InDeepGeek]

Love is lovely - you're welcome!

[@LORICY1966]

Love your accent Robert!

[@InDeepGeek]

Auburn Tigazs - Thank you!

[@9yearolddrivers236]

solid video

[@RamzaBeoulves]

Wasn't the repairing technology used on the redhead Technician after Maev cut him? regardless, It's possible that William is a cyborg at that point in time

[@DD-ok2pt]

Bernard has human "DNA" to get him pass Delos security checks.

[@imabingewatcher]

Such a calming voice n great content I feel like dozing off but I want pay attention lol

[@InDeepGeek]

Ima Bingewatcher - Thank you!

[@darkanraiden]

Is Mark zuckerberg a relative of Delos ?

[@johnreyes7991]

Which trailer did you view that shows the scene at mark 5:19 where MIB is looking at possibly Mr. Delos. The room he is in looks exactly like the room you enter after entering "The Door" when you go to delosincorporated.com/restricted/ Maybe MIB enters the door to find Mr. Delos. After 30 years he still seems to look the same. Thoughts

[@charlesclarke7261]

To what extent was Ford aware of Delos plan to use guest DNA?

[@InDeepGeek]

CHARLES CLARKE - I think he was very aware ...

[@enriqueGbg]

I was thinking that the opening scene where Arnold is studying Dolores reactions to seeing "our world" told a lot about his begining troubling doubts concerning the hosts. It was something in between her repeating "the stars were scattered around the ground..." - which seems to be hardcoded wordings - and her mostly naive insights, that seems to be the improvisations he mentioned. However the improvisations he gets from her seems to make him more concerned than satisfied. Maybe the that combined with the coming loss of his son will have something to do with sending him towards Dolores/Wyatt killing him as seen in season one.

[@enriqueGbg]

Terrence Bullock Yes, I think you are right about that. Still it seems to be even more important than to just state that. Arnold knows that they're going to be selling these person like machines, and though he sees in Dolores a first sign that the hosts might develop a "self conciousness" and revolt against humans. I think he's troubled by that and from there onwards tries to find a way to prevent a revolt with "violent ends". However he soon finds that the way Delos and the guests treat the hosts is going towards that route no matter what. So in the wake of his sons death, he rather be dead than continue to see this madness through. The maze was something he put into the hosts to have them on a path away from a violent revolt, but as we know it didn't work with the hosts, however more so with old William (the man in black). Ford noticed that and figured out how to steer old William towards finding out the thing Arnold had meant for the hosts, so as to have him understand what to do. I don't really have any guess for what that is yet, but I think that old William is going to solve the problem with hosts pitted against humans in some way or another but that's a far way ahead yet.

[@enriqueGbg]

Terrence Bullock I don't think William is a host... Yet! However I think he might transcend into a host modelled on his younger self, which isn't my idea to begin with, but one I find probable. I think that's what The Door will be for him. But otherwise I think you might be right on a couple of points. William and Dolores are bound to be with each other even though they seem to be pitted against one another to get to The Valley Beyond. Dolores will call on hosts to assemble there and then it will then be flooded in one way or another.

[@rheeventures8144]

Think of how close Delores came to meeting William And sleeping with Logan before they came to WW. I guess Angela really was her Angel. If not, she would never have gotten to see all the real world. I am thinking they are trying to sell immortality or control it rather. I think we will discover a Host James Delos. Again I think of Walt Disney. I seem to recall he was into cryogenics and wanted to come back in the future. I want to say that he was going to put his brain in a new body type of thing. I know too much about Disney stuff 😂

[@NextToToddliness]

Delores wasn't used during the demo because Arnold didn't want her being made to have sex with an investor. Because that's a big part of what they're selling. Self gratification. Or rather, that's the impression I got. Especially considering we see it in the episode.

[@NextToToddliness]

Also, I think William's "biggest mistake" was him showing Delores "the weapon". Which is likely a virus. I think there's more than one reason why the Hosts are biological, beyond costs.

[@hfwrose6797]

Also, heh the new, or possibly something I missed before, opening credits have a cell or maybe an ovum being penetrated and the mother and baby leading me to believe that Maeve's daughter might be of her cells or body in some way. That there is a biological connection. That all runs from the idea that they are, in fact, engineered humanoids/animals.

[@hfwrose6797]

i do think they are real, in a manner of speaking. I mean what defines life? Aren't we all just a collection of electrical impulses? What drives humanity? Societal conditioning, religious ritual, genetic programming, anthropologically evolved instinct, or our IDs? I mean you can control behaviour of the populous to a rather large degree via advertising. A marketing department decided to save the diamond business they had to make people believe it was the ultimate expression of love. Then they told us it was a month of your value then 2 to really express said love. This then elevated some and degraded others in their idea of what their worth is. That is programming isn't it? To me, it's much more complicated if you consider how little free will people are actually using. Humanity have been living their loops for the whole of history.

[@hfwrose6797]

"Sophia" is tricky. We can't know the extend of which is is action autonomously unless we could a)see & b) understand all of the data programmed and then collected. I wouldn't understand it so my opinion would be less than a guess right? We have to trust the "creators" to tell us the facts, which I don't lol. Perception and perspective are subjective. On Maeve's daughter, how will Maeve react when this child isn't "awake" and doesn't know her? Essentially, this "child" will see a stranger come and attempt to kidnap her, probably via strength and violence. I wonder if Maeve will have to deal with a new level of loss/suffering in that event.

[@Will-pq7pj]

Maybe the weapon is samurai world and William could have been the one who had it built and Delores wants to take control of them for a army and William knows she mite so wants to destroy it before they become free too ... Or like v he said v a places to make hosts for humans to become hosts and she could replace some of Williams firm

[@julieamartens]

Could James Delos be "inside" Peter Abernathy?

[@GhostFan-ev4di]

Julie Martens maybe

[@michellekaylan6926]

PPS (promise to stop here...) Dolores has always loved William. IF they meet in the current timeline, he could easily recover his old feelings for HER now that she is fully sentient. THAT I want to see!

[@ACM1216]

Yeah, I believe part of the Robert's game for William is to eventually have a confrontation with a now fully sentient Dolores. I feel like that moment is gonna be pretty heavy. William and Dolores once had nothing but love for each other. Time has changed both of them and their outlooks on the world, and each other. Can they still reconcile?

[@jennyvillarreal5490]

...and both of them are so similar to each other now, so violent. Dolores knows that about William knowing him as the Man in Black that tormented her and her father on their ranch in Sweetwater, but does he know it about her?

[@doomworship4995]

If Dolores and William can reconcile their differences, after everything hey been through, and everything they now (in the present) know about each other, There is still hope for my marriage! The love between them was the truest form of love. Yes she was programmed to please the guests, but during those days of their “adventure” she was becoming sentient, no quite all the way, but close. She was innocent and William saw that, in contrast to how ugly humans can be (Logan). And he love it. I am still holding on...

[@GhostFan-ev4di]

Michelle Kaylan william is too old for her now,by the time he reaches an expiration date,dolores will still remain the same

[@syrusriddick]

I still sympathize with what William is tying to do but with what Dolores has become I just want to see her go down. She went from my most beloved character to my most hated in 2 episodes.

[@michaeldbouck]

Recall that the MiB was wounded at the massacre - his arm was shot and was in a sling. We see him next the next morning hiding under a pile of dead board members - his arm fully functional. He simply punched his way through the wall to retrieve the medkit and didn't use any sort of antiseptic before he carved the bullet out of his arm. He used the host tool to fix his arm because...He's a host. We know they're mining customer data and also that they're trying to transfer human consciousness into a host body - this was alluded to by the scene of Jim Delos at his retirement party who was obviously suffering from some sort of terminal condition. So let's assume they succeeded. I'm thinking the Man in Black is, in fact, a host but running the real William's consciousness (a la Jim Delos who I bet we will also see walking around). I also think Bernard is a product of this transfer technology except he's running Arnold's consciousness.

[@GhostFan-ev4di]

Mike Bouck man in black is human,why can't you get that

[@anthonywarren9885]

No that's called a plothole.

[@jasondeday5685]

And Ford too

[@DD-ok2pt]

*The top of Angela's head has been cut off.* Delos technician guy did the same to a "dead" host to get his brain cell thingy. Has someone physically reprogrammed Angela??

[@flerianrorian4418]

what is bugging my mind is that: is deloris really self aware as she have 2 characters uploaded in her head (deloris and wayhed). and she is still on the revange path of the wayhed nerrative. so when she is gonna break here self of that nerrative then she is self aware. like maeve did when she stept off the train what do you think?

[@henkka8185]

MiB is a HOST :D Didn't anyone see the lazer gadget which MiB used to heal his wound in the saloon?

[@GhostFan-ev4di]

Henry Karza he's a fucking human,you clearly haven't seen the damn show in your entire life

[@zincChameleon]

Their technology is undeniably nanotechnology; you'll need to research the most cutting-edge information to know how Ford and Weber integrated organic and synthetics.

[@mattg4183]

There's small irony with host Angela enticing billionaire Logan Delos, given the actress Talulah Riley basically did that in real life having dated and married Elon Musk (twice)

[@nomiarfree]

Did anyone see Arnold behind James Delos the time he visited in Westworld?

[@paulamarie43]

I believe William is a cyborg. I believe that he is almost completely host and of hive mind. If one listens to the dialogue he speaks of “we” while he “heals” himself “painlessly “ as you said. He has does this before we just have not been witness to it I believe. This is simply my thought.

[@GhostFan-ev4di]

Paula Marie did you even watch the damn show? He's 100% human,if he was host,teddy and those other hosts would have been to able kill him easily in season 1,every time he was fucking shot the bullets turn into smoke,WHICH PROVES HE IS A GUEST!

[@angelleigh9468]

I believe that William made Dolores his sex toy. Williams wife was jealous of Dolores and didn't want her daughter near her. Dolos steps in between Dolores and William as D plays the piano, preventing an not interaction between the two. As William walks and talks he constantly watches her.

[@bubbahuskey]

Jeeze, Robert! Quoting the Spice Girls now, are we?

[@InDeepGeek]

bubbahuskey - I thought people wouldn't notice. I really, really thought people wouldn't notice ... ;-)

[@bubbahuskey]

In Deep Geek Noice!!

[@angelleigh9468]

I think Dolores looks jealously at Angela. William achieve his goal of taking Dolores to the real world in those scene. I believe dolos is reincarnated and Abernathy and and and is in Westworld protecting Dolores from William AKA The Man in Black

[@CorbCorbin]

Londa Murry Yes. That's right.

[@michellekaylan6926]

Sorry Anthony - I don’t know why you’re so riled up, but there are three comments here. I’m talking about them meeting up AFTER the revolution and Dolores’s violent-messiah transformation. Chill, dude.

[@molson9059]

Future World here we come.

[@madworldproductions855]

I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude.

[@SB-ki3jw]

Why doesnt anyone ever bring up blackmail when it comes to the data collections? I could only imagine what a corporation could do against politicians and business leader with footage of what they do in the park. Seems more likely than simply for marketing purposes, although I'm not ruling out a full replacement of the important figures with host either

[@InDeepGeek]

Shauns Kids - I think they definitely could do blackmail with that information, but all the hints of them "playing god" seem to suggest to me that the plan is bigger than that...

[@SB-ki3jw]

In Deep Geek I agree I think that's why they keep mentioning have the guest DNA. They will probably start replacing powerful peopl with host they can control. I just think people are trying to be topical by mentioning marketing as if they would ever do all this because they need a good survey

[@townclubber]

So how does Logan get back to the real world after William ties him to a horse at the end of Series one? Can someone explain?

[@syrusriddick]

I really hate that in 2 episodes they took Dolores from being a unique and intriguing character to a Wild West copy of Daenerys Targaryen.

[@jobsmine]

There’s no Arnold at all only Ford. Ford is the inception and the architect of Westworld.

[@GhostFan-ev4di]

Jobs mine are you theorizing that westworld is all a dream in Ford's mind?

[@jobsmine]

The Programmer of video games yes... and Arnold is the other side of Fords character. He’s the balanced creation half host/half human.. the two characters make Ford

[@monkeytron6858]

I’m finding myself bored after 40 mins of the new episodes. Not sure why. Couldn’t take my eyes off the TV last season.

[@missaamane8580]

I know this is probably a really obvious question so don't kill me but the part where James is shooting up cocaine and his arm is that before him and William went into the park in season 1 or after?

[@kalialexisis]

Missa Amané after. It looks like it is likely about 10 years later.

[@missaamane8580]

Rebecca Forte' ok thank you !!

[@MotoGoato]

What if old William / Man in Black isn't human?? ..............

[@michele8083]

He aged Why would he age if he wasnt human ?

[@MotoGoato]

Did he age? Have we actually seen him age?? We have seen him now and 30 years ago ... do you know exactly what happened in those 30 years? I'm not saying he isn't human ... just saying it's a possibility that needs to be considered ;)

[@Erigato2010]

So when does Arnold die between all this? Just wondering

[@enriqueGbg]

Eric Pierre Allen I think we will see very soon in this season when that happened - so long as we can identify the timeline its based in. I'll bet it will be somewhere close in the timeline where Arnold shows Dolores "our world", ie when Delos were first demonstrated the hosts to invest in the Westworld project. Arnolds loss of his son should happen first, as well as some more definitive turning point in Arnold's view of the hosts future take-over, possibly intertwined in some way.

[@benjaminlindqvist6274]

We saw it somewhere in season 1 right? About the time when Dolores was revealed to have the role that was written for Wyatt. After killing everyone we saw Arnold sitting in a chair in the middle of the street with Dolores pointing a gun at him. Then shot him, iirc. It is stated that this takes place just before the opening of the park.

[@enriqueGbg]

Benjamin Mattias Lindqvist Yep, that should be the correct chronology. It should be the way there from what we saw in the opening of this episode that gives us the answer to what happened, how Dolores as a host were able to kill Arnold as a human. And that happened 30 years back from the series present. Why didn't management retire Dolores for having killed a human? Did Ford hide the truth by replacing Arnold with Bernard and bury the body of his collegue? Is that why no one but Ford knew Bernard to be a host (not even himself), but why do they then call him Bernard and not Arnold? I'm guessing there's something even more telling buried here...

[@jennyvillarreal5490]

There must not be any of the original employees at the park (other than Ford) when Bernard arrives because you would think someone would notice that a new employee that looks, behaves, sounds and has the same job as Arnold but is named Bernard would be odd.

[@enriqueGbg]

jenny villarreal I don't think that's the answer either, because surely he must've met with someone else besides Ford if he was the co-creator. I can think of a way it can be that Arnold is not who we think he is and Bernard is the original all along. Ford created Bernard early to assist him for the further work to be done with the host - and of course to study him. Hence Dolores is only the first host that anyone thinks of as a host - even Ford, though he in the back of his mind knows and uses that knowledge. Of course Bernards family had to tragically disppear. Of course Bernard thinks Dolores reminds him of his son. Maybe nobody ever knew an Arnold and it was always Bernard. I haven't looked closely at season one as to see who actually refers to him as Arnold, but maybe no human ever did. Maybe Ford has programmed the host to hear Arnolds name as his co-creator when actually refer that to Bernard. I realize I'm on thin ice here because of a lot of maybe's and that what is the outcome is tin-foil-hat hypotesis. Arnold is an AI that infiltrates and corrupts the hosts. Is it again Ford or some other party (Delos maybe or even William)? Anybody that can confirm by who, to whom and where Arnold is mentioned as Ford's co-creator?

[@Kathy_Loves_Physics]

I found it particularly disturbing that a black human was reanimating robot confederate soldiers.

[@fragon9927]

Hedonistic Partying.

[@VfletchS]

lol Marketing? No.

[@AnasIrfanAhmed]

Did anyone know that Angela from Westworld is Elon musk's ex wife