What Americans dont understand about Public Healthcare

Public Healthcare, or as Americans call it: Social Healthcare, is an issue of contention almost every single U.S election. And the 2020 presidential elections won't be any different. Bernie Sanders, Cory Booker, Elisabeth Warren, and Bill de Blasio already voiced their support during Democratic primaries. However, what every election cycle in the United States also has in common is that the candidates who support public healthcare never actually present any plans for how the system would work or what it would even look like. Additionally, many American advocates of public healthcare don't seem to know much about the social sacrifices, reforms and additional health measures that come with public healthcare to ensure a healthy society. In this video that will be discussed and several American misconceptions about public healthcare will be talked about.
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[@Altrantis]

I'm from Chile and we have an optional public healthcare system, and most of those regulations apply here. We have taxes on alcohol, soft drinks, tobaco, we have those anti-smoking ads on the boxes of the actual cigarettes, sweets can't have cartoon characters like that tiger for the sugary corn flakes either, etc. Foods with high sugar, calorie, cholesterol or sodium also have to put these black stamps on thei packaging to indicate it. Coke lowered their sugar content fist to get rid of the calories stamp, and then again to get rid of the sugar one. Pepsi got rid of the calories one but kept the sugar one

[@GreatRedMenace]

Sadly the public healthcare system is catastrophically underfunded and reflect the massive wealth inequality that Chile has. Chile has failed in regulating many aspects relating to food industry, especially since high-quality foods are exported to Europe and the US, while the lower standard foods remain in Chile for Chilean consumption. In Chile, people who can afford private healthcare have a relatively decent system. However, people in public healthcare systems... don't. This is mostly due to liberalized reforms under the Pinochet era being mantained in democracy without the dismantling of the shitty structure that made Chile a horrible country to live in. Hence, why I left.

[@Altrantis]

@@GreatRedMenace Frankly it's not too bad. I mean, it's bad, but there's no country on earth where healthcare isn't bad one way or another. Point me to one country where the locals don't think their healthcare is terrible. :P How long has it been since you left, BTW? Your comment about the Pinochet era stuff relating to healthcare talks about being away for a while. Sure, the isapres still exist but the healthcare landscape is nothing like the Pinochet era stuff. Same with the high quality foods being exported, that sounds very... 2006... The local market keeps more of the good fruit and meats now simply because we can pay more. Or just go to the feria, they always have the best stuff if you're willing to sort it out and do everything yourself. As I mentioned in my first post, the food industry has been massively regulated in the last few years, and you might have missed a lot of that. It's certainly much more regulated than in the US. Also it's normal to fin foreign food from Europe here now. And Californian fruit in winter. Things might have changed since you left. In the 30 years I have of memory, Chile's been thoroughly transformed overall. Specially after the 2010 earthquake. Thinking how things were when I was in school I shiver to think it was such a shithole, we needed campaigns against *cholera* of all things. If you've been away for a while maybe you should come visit some time. Hell, you would be suprized by how much immigration we're getting. We're getting loads of haitians and venezuelans and a lot of colombians nowdays, peruvians stopped coming since Peru's doing a lot better now. On the topic at hand, the Chilean healthcare system assumes you'll go for the private sector if you can afford it. The public healthcare system is sort of a safety net. There's also half-public systems which I frankly don't understand the specifics of (seems to be they're handled by the private sector but are heavily controlled by the state, my mom is in one despite being able to afford the fully private system because it's cheapier and has access to some things the fully private one doesn't, but the isapres themselves seem to not like people using these systems). The public healthcare gets you the same quality stuff, but you have to wait much, much longer to get doctors' appointments and there's less access to things like long term treatment and basic things like hospital beds, but this is in great measure because the people in the public system actually go to the doctor much, much more often since it's free, although also doctors prefer working on the private system because they earn more that way which results in doctor shortages in the public system. Also rural medical centers are always public and they're hard to keep functioning so that also lowers the state healthcare system's quality. On the other hand there's things that are reserved for the public system that are better than the ones the private system has access to, like when I was in school I wanted to get my psoriasis treated but I was my dad's healthcare "burden" as it's called and he had the private system so I couldn't get access to the treatment facility that had what I needed. Also in the public system you never have to pay out of pocket, whereas in the private system most doctors will not have an agreement with your specific isapre so you'll have to pay out of pocket and then the isapre will pay you back *some* of it. Edited for paragraphs.

[@1685Violin]

@@GreatRedMenace So you are blaming Pinochet for the current Chilan woes even though Chile is slowing becoming infested by far-leftists that are seeking to open its borders to third worlders in a country that is already a third world country? Your healthcare will be further in danger if its borders aren't tightened.

[@GreatRedMenace]

@@1685Violin Read again, and re-read it until you understand what I said.

[@Altrantis]

@@1685Violin Not really on -topic, but as the resident chilean I feel I should explain, so I'll just chime in to say that's not how chilean politics work. Our right and left are not split that way, for us is mostly a matter of public spending and who pays for what and how much companies should be held accountable for things. Meanwhile, discussions that take the front seat in partisan arguments in the US like immigration or gay marriage aren't really partisan in Chile. Sure, there is a skew towards the left being for it and the right being against, but it's not what defines the right and left like up north. Also our borders *are* open, it's very easy to migrate here, it always has been, and no one is arguing to open them more, instead there's been a movement to make it harder to migrate here. Chilean left wingers have been accusing the movement of being made of right wingers, but I have seen no indication that this is the case, if anything, our President, who is of the right wing, has spoken positively about immigration and has stated that it is our duty to take in particularly Venezuelan immigrants as other countries took Chileans in during the Pinochet government. TL,DR, we don't have an anti immigration party.

[@darthplagueis13]

Coke in the US is sweeter? Goodness, are the folks over there drinking straight up carbonated syrup?

[@Slowcomputerguy]

A coke has 120% of a normal persons daily value of sugar in a single bottle. So yes its like straight up syrup.

[@swordierre9341]

i only drink it in my dads house house because he always has a ton..I swear i become temporarily addicted to that shit, and i bloat like a pig. I should really stop.

[@brycescott7895]

Slowcomputerguy *looks at back of bottle* 48% still a shitload but not 120%

[@Slowcomputerguy]

@@brycescott7895 bottle also says included sugars which is 120 percent daily value. I literally read the bottle.

[@brycescott7895]

@@Slowcomputerguy i was wrong about mine it actually says 78% but still not 120% unless maybe the can and bottle differ that much either way don't drink it

[@rymdalkis]

And remember: As bloated as France's spending on health care is, their per capita health care expenditure is still only half of that of the US

[@ryanmarks1224]

yea I was about to say

[@bogeds9871]

@@sandayyyy Per capita

[@neuxell]

they already have a foundation of healthy citizens.................................................................................... of course they spend less on healthcare per capita................................................ "ya ok so do it in US" with a foundation of 50% obese citizens.........................................................

[@HelloTher1313]

@@neuxell not to be rude, but why the fuck did you put so many dots lol

[@benlowe1701]

@@neuxell The notion that you shouldn't have a better health service, because Americans are more unhealthy is - imo - kinda stupid. If anything, the average health of the average american is more of a reason that the US in in dire need of Health Care reform...

[@deadlyknights1119]

The thing that was kinda left is out is the fact america already spends 17% of its gdp on health care. More than Japan, Germany, France, Its actually the highest healthcare cost in the world, it's a giant public health pool that could be rebuilt into a nation healthcare system.

[@luizmatthew1019]

@@St.Raptor "Let's do something literally no one else is doing when a working solution has been proven elsewhere, and do something we already tried 80 years ago" - America, always, before doing something that will be disastrous

[@goldencrab1267]

@@St.Raptor what? American Healthcare quality is incredibly low, esspecially once you comapre it to other countries that spend much less money with a much higher quality of care.

[@zacnomore]

While 17% of GDP may be substantial enough to fund a public system, the point is that redirecting that private spending would require a change in values. Even if the spending was exactly the same, the fact that it would come from taxes instead of wallets would dissuade many voters. I think the salient point of this video is that American individualism poses a large logistical barrier to implementation, regardless of any objective benefits.

[@falcononeniner9896]

​@@zacnomore You're right. I'm personally healthy, and we all have an individualist mentality in the US. I am far from happy about anything tax related besides a big return. I hate social security as well. I can't get on board with my money going towards other people, especially when theirs will never go towards me. Government subsidization has also managed to murder private insurance costs, to the point where it's cheaper to just not have it if you're not diabetic or something. I KNOW our politicians will screw public healthcare up too, they'll do something motivated by self interest to screw it up for everyone. It's like trying to treat a horse with a broken leg.

[@cucumber42]

@Falcononeniner this mentality is why we have so many homeless and under insured elderly people in the US

[@kapwns]

That's the most messed up part about healthcare in the US, we still have all those taxes that are justified by a concern for public health yet when it comes to actually providing healthcare suddenly the government doesn't have a stake in our health and it's our responsibility. It's ridiculous.

[@znail4675]

US government also spends almost as much on healthcare as countries with public healthcare, they just use the money so much worse that it doesn't cover more then small portion of the population.

[@Mastakilla91]

It's a bit shocking that the most efficient way to portray countries and their people's traits is by countryballs.

[@TheEasterBasket0432]

But i mean it works.

[@bulldozer8950]

I love it.

[@tennisballbird]

It's easy to draw.

[@WaffleAD]

spheres of influence .o.

[@LordJike]

why is spain always so angry tho'

[@vonigner]

French person here: Americans pay more for healthcare in their current taxes than we do.

[@maximwannabepro3021]

And u apparently get a nurse for it, that's not even in Germany the case.

[@godofcows4649]

Probably thinking of medicaid/medicare.

[@torfistrom4549]

We also take in the same amount of migrants a year as you did when it was called a immigrant crisis

[@pacomekraabel1902]

C'est vrai? Je croyais que on payait vrm bcp. Fin genre ma daronne me dit ça mdr

[@thealphapackwolf5960]

And how much bigger is America than France? We literally don't have enough nurses to assign one to every new mother.

[@ob2kenobi388]

"Things were made worse under the Thatcher administration" If you took a drink every time you heard that, half of London would be dead.

[@shadowgaming6660]

But the alcohol taxes it would raise would pay off the national debt

[@aaronlaughter6471]

And nothing of value would be lost.

[@ob2kenobi388]

@@aaronlaughter6471 Depends what half lol

[@cynicat74]

At this point, I'm starting to think Thatcher was single-handedly responsible for everything wrong with the NHS, is the sole cause of income inequality, starting WWII, and putting Oliver Cromwell in power. She's just starting to look like a convenient scapegoat for the Tories, at this point

[@danielsykes7558]

Take Reagan too

[@cameronsmith1339]

As a Scot, thanks for the clarification that Scotland runs its health service far better than England does. Too often in UK media we hear constant "Scotland bad" stories.

[@kelvinpell4571]

It doesn't. With the administration of the national socialists under the despicable Sturgeon, Scotland as a whole is a damned basket case. NOTHING works North of the border, not even definitions of what a woman is!

[@racarth1]

It's a nice story that Scotland's NHS performs better than England's, but one struggles to find data to substantiate this claim

[@annalieff-saxby568]

I live in the south of England and would move to Scotland in a flash, particularly as there's the chance of an independent Scotland rejoining the EU. Unfortunately, 72 is a bit old to be rebuilding my social life from the ground up, and it's pretty cold and dark north of the border.

[@Julia________]

As a Canadian, I'm constantly hearing 'scotland tries to help their population, England shuts them down'. Scotland in general seems more appealing than England imo

[@tricky1581]

@Julia___ Sorry miss, I fear your reference points maybe somewhat skewed, thanks to the corrupt English hating SNP, Scotland has the worst performing local services across every sector within the UK. SNP has run Scotland into the ground and it's leadership are all being investigated for corruption.

[@UwU-lo4dv]

"We should help these refugees that are suffering." "No! America first!" "Okay, let's help our own citizens then." "No! that's Socialism!"

[@midnighteclipsed2738]

Man that funny that it hurt

[@BearMeOut]

I guess I'll just lay down and die then

[@obi-wankenobi6652]

America first refers to dealing with our economy, stabilizing out politics, and building our strength. Its more of an isolationist idea and I personally support it. Its not that people don't want to help refugees, i would love to. The issue is when people illegally enter the country. I won't change my opinion on that. Simply put, if you illegally enter the country, then you have broken the law and are a criminal. Im not saying every illegal is a bad person, i happen to know a few as well and I have supported them in their attempts to gain vista's and citizenship. We need to reform our immigration services no doubt, but we also need to strengthen our borders. We need to update our screening and streamlining our immigration process.

[@obi-wankenobi6652]

Also, there are two types of nations. 1.) Small, homogenous "gate downers" these are nations that have been homogenous for generations, have small populations and are more willing to allow foreigners to enter in mass whether it be refugees or otherwise. Second are the gate uppers, these are large melting pots where socialism has no hope of surviving and where the people are far more nationalistic, example the united states. Smaller countries like the Nordic nations and Cuba can long term sustain socialism and in those small groups it works well. But once you scale socialism to the size if the united states or Russia, it becomes inheritly authoritarian in order to suppress the more nationalistic and diverse populace. Simple put, it would be a beaureacratic nightmare trying to implement socialism into such a large country and as proven by Russia, it would require authoritarianism that isn't guaranteed to survive. The people of large diverse nations typically want less government because they see the government as a less present part of their lives.

[@Corax.S]

@@obi-wankenobi6652 'America first refers to dealing with our economy, stabilizing out politics, and building our strength.' How's that been going so far? I mean, the economy has been relatively stable until recently, true, but our politics have only because more destabilized and this nation is the fucking laughing stock of the world.

[@MikeKnight009]

"Denmark has a tax on fat" Obese people in the US: *nervous sweating*

[@strawberrydragon6252]

yes lol

[@chinggiskhan6678]

They'd have to pay millions up front.

[@zm1786]

@@VeryAnonymousTurtle the united states directly pays for 90% of the worlds medical research . Joe biden just approved an additional 200 million to go to the wuhan laboratory in china

[@Skankhunt-ic2km]

z M pay the world yet American healthcare is the worst

[@zm1786]

@@Skankhunt-ic2km because we subsidize literally every other country

[@t.f.t.f.8522]

As an American, it's embarassing that many Americans don't realize that higher taxes would still be less than what they pay for private health insurance while also providing them better care. However , a large portion of Americans are against being part of any system and think people who cannot afford good care don't deserve it because not being wealthy equals laziness. I'm very much supportive of America having a system like even France. The benefits are worth the cost.

[@steelengine4265]

Most of us Americans at the bottom don't pay for health insurance, it's literally pointless, but I don't think we would be able to have a system like France, it's just too expensive

[@tl8211]

@@steelengine4265 France's system is cheaper than the US system. Significantly so, in fact. They spend a smaller percentage of their GDP, and France has a smaller GDP per capita than the US.

[@pami333]

It would force the government to stop allowing pharma industry to call any price they want for even the cheapest products. Because otherwise public healthcare would not even be possible - it simply is ridiculous how much you have to pay. I was shocked when I learned how much it even costs to deliver a baby! And that you even have to pay for it in the first place! Government would be forced to regulate costs for medication and treatments and this is like the reason why it probably won't be implemented as the US moved in the complete opposite direction the past few decades, towards extreme levels of capitalism, willingly killing citizens by allowing companies to sell meds at multiple times the price of other countries (Insulin for 300+ US$ per flask? When the production cost for a whole mothrfckng year for one persone is about a third of what is charged per flask?!? But at least it seems like prices are drastically dropping, now that Eli Lilly was forced to make a step via a fake twitter account and logically competitors have to do the same to sell their stock.. But even those drastically reduced prices are two to four times higher than what a patient would have to pay here..!).

[@Bezimienny1598]

A French system simply wouldn't work in the US. You need something decentralised, where each state at least has an illusion of control. But the problem with this approach is that the federal government will lose leverage on pharma companies. That's how we Europeans get dirt-cheap medication. Our governments along with the EU itself leverage their vast political powers over companies to lower their prices significantly. That's also why private insurance(which, contrary to Americans does exist in the EU) is much cheaper here than what Americans pay. This also reduces the financial burden on the taxpayer and the government itself. Cheaper medication and healthcare in general means less money required to fund the entire system. American culture won't allow for this amount of meddling of the government in the economy because, "FREE MARKET! FREEDOM! LITTLE GOVERNMENT!" Especially when healthcare is already such a controversial topic in your country. All in all, I wish your country good luck because the system you currently have is simply unsustainable and will only result in more deaths which sooner or later will require addressing by politicians. Especially when wealth inequality in the US is STILL rising quickly.

[@toadwine7654]

@@steelengine4265 its obviously not pointless.. and its not too expencive. you are currently giving that money plus more, away to some coorporations. you identify yourself as being on the bottom. yet you defend a system that makes your life worse at the benefit of some wealthy people. tell me why or how that isnt servile to the umptinth degree.

[@Lord.Kiltridge]

Let's all completely ignore the fact that a public healthcare system that is available to *_ALL_* Americans is calculated to cost less than what America is currently paying, shall we?

[@user-uyumo8g44x]

yes, but what if you compare the MEDIAN cost per citizen

[@Lord.Kiltridge]

@@user-uyumo8g44x In 2021, U.S. healthcare spending reached $4.3 trillion, which averages to about $12,900 per person. By comparison, the average cost of healthcare per person in other wealthy countries is only about half as much. Estimates have the average American paying $4,500 more in taxes, with no exclusions, deductibles or supplemental costs from cradle to grave, regardless of income. Public healthcare systems cost less, saves lives, and reduces poverty and crime. Scientific American says Universal Healthcare could have saved as many as 330,000 lives during Covid.

[@user-uyumo8g44x]

@@Lord.Kiltridge do you also have the median cost instead of average cost?

[@user-uyumo8g44x]

@@Lord.Kiltridge also youre missing the point that wages for medical staff in other developed countries is way lower than in the us. dont get me wrong, i am pro national healthcare but i dont think it would be more affordable for the average us citizen

[@Daweim0]

Why median specifically?

[@thegreentaxi1]

"Beware, if you install public healthcare, the government might also try to improve your health and increase your food quality" ...And that is apparently a bad thing?

[@TheSpartan3669]

People interpret that as "restriction of freedom by big government"

[@jimbones8795]

Enough Americans would prefer poisoning their bodies over lightening their wallets.

[@lalesbiancouple9228]

People here are okay with mentally ill citizens owning automatic weapons and mass shootings practically everyday in the name of rights.

[@antoleo2]

@@TheSpartan3669 but do not dare to reduce a single penny the army gets, that is antipatriotic

[@liv3mau5]

"DONT TELL ME HOW TO LIVE MY LIFE"

[@dm121984]

I mean, you completely ignore that Americans still spend 21% of there GDP on health already. The money is there, its just being wasted and thrown to the insurance companies executives and shareholders.

[@TemplarOnHigh]

Exactly. We could have the French system right now and still have enough money left over to do something great. Let's just propose to have the French system, build three aircraft carriers with the savings, and then invade Antarctica.

[@Naritus_]

​@@TemplarOnHigh Shhh! Don't give Uncle Sam ideas to, directly OR indirectly, fund the military complex, it's already morbidly obese! Seriously, though, there are so many things we could do better when it comes to spending here in the States, that it sometimes feels like the only thing we *are* any good at anymore is A: Ignoring problems till they spiral out of control, and somehow still act shocked by it; and B: wasting trillions of dollars on said problems when we could have spent less had we acknowledged it earlier. Healthcare is just the latest issue to check both of these boxes.

[@johnkop4]

can you explain how federal money ends up in private insurance companies?

[@NuggetOG]

so they spend trillions on health yet they still have a 40 percent obese adult population. yeah, america is dumb. you should all just move to europe or japan but not me, im not american

[@TemplarOnHigh]

@@johnkop4 It's not really relevant how the money is piped from federal to private. If the US collectively took the $0.21 per $1.00 of GDP and decided to pay a tax of $0.15 per $1.00 - there would be a savings of $0.06 per $1.00. So in aggregate the USA would "find" $1.2T every year.

[@fooperfarvey4812]

“Nooo! Encouraging healthy eating is discrimination of overweight people!” This is the kind of thing said by some in America.

[@lolcow6668]

Fools really act like only the crazy people live in the US lol. I bet you’re a Brit right?

[@peterbelanger4094]

But it's NOT 'encouragement", it's manipulation and coercion.

[@peterbelanger4094]

F**k collectivization!!!

[@peterbelanger4094]

NO, the govt should not dictate lifestyle.

[@peterbelanger4094]

Take your "healthy encouragement" and shove it!!!

[@JemmaHeigis]

I’ve lived in Peru for a few years and I am always shocked by how much better the health care is here. If I’m sick I can call a doctor to my house for about $100, it takes maybe 1-2 hours and a little longer if you need a specialist. My little sister who lives in the states got a concussion, she waited in the ER for 13 hours before having to go home. If you live in the USA I recommend not getting sick.

[@maxwashere.]

wish my genetics got this memo lmao. us chronically disabled folks r struggling out here

[@sirhorace8883]

y’all say how bad american healthcare is but i have yet to experience it. i had my appendix removed in USA on new year’s eve, didn’t have any problems at all and it was taken care of very well. i was actually in the ER for less time than your sister was for her concussion.

[@commandermcnash5137]

I would like to add 70 percent of peruvians don't pay taxes unless it's through the inbuilt cost for common goods and services (Impuesto General a la Venta or General Tax for Sale), this is a social issue because while health private services are booming the state controlled systems are overworked and lack a lot of infrastructure, we still haven't reached USA levels of obessity due many not having personal transportation and a more balanced diet of boiled foods (rice and potatoes are prevalent) and stews as well as comparatively small portions.

[@alvarotorres9057]

$100 is a lot in Peru; thats’s like one week salary. I’m sure you can get a quick response in the US if you pay $1000 for a doctors visit.

[@JemmaHeigis]

@@alvarotorres9057 do you actually know of any places where you can pay extra to receive faster care in the US? From my experience you either need to schedule an appointment or wait hours in the emergency room/urgent care. There isn’t another higher priced option you can just pay more, and it’s based on the triage system so if you’re not openly bleeding you won’t get seen. Correct me if I’m wrong, I genuinely would like to know if there is some institution or system I don’t know about.

[@big..pablo.]

Obesity is literally an epidemic in the states. I didn’t realize so much living in California as we don’t have it as bad here, but traveling through the south, so many people are fat that morbidly obese is fat and overweight is normal. You would not believe the size of some people. I saw people struggling to fit between in the cash register isle. I saw people who haven’t seen their knees standing up in years. I saw people who, if they were to fall on their back, would be entirely incapable of getting back up like a turtle. Its horrific.

[@slick1976]

Yup but it’s great they have the freedom to be fat

[@lonigaming5880]

BonDad America is the unhealthiest developed country, this is a scientific fact.

[@shineeis5657]

@@thetrollgehasbegun I live in NC, I didn't think it was bad here until I went to Gastonia. It's more common in poor areas generally

[@thekommunistkrusader3921]

@@thetrollgehasbegun we are actually tied for 10th most unhealthiest countries according to this... Czech Republic has the title with how much they drink and smoke www.mdlinx.com/article/what-s-the-healthiest-country-in-the-world/lfc-3613

[@thekommunistkrusader3921]

@@thetrollgehasbegun tank you

[@darkalpha50]

whats weird to me is that it's somehow a left wing idea in america while in Europe its centrist or just not as politically charged.

[@Pikkabuu]

Well remember that protecting the environment has become a partisan idea in the US...

[@JerEditz]

As far as I know, We are pretty right leaning compared to most developed nations in the world. Some people in EU or even Australians or Canadians tell me how some little things we take for granted here in America is just baffling to them. For a few examples, Guns, Cars, Speech, Taxes. Some even go as far to say we are pretty extreme in some cases. But as I see it, we are a big country with alot of people and different states which sort of function like their own country but less nationlike. So, really, it goes to say you can't be too sure if we are more or less left or right. For example California (my home state) seems to lean more on the European-esk side of the spectrum while Alabama is considered Right Wing Extremism.

[@hurkamur1]

It's because the right in America has 0 concept of reality, because they get all of their "news" from a single far-right entertainment network.

[@kubli365]

@@Pikkabuu what the fuck is a pinkocommunists? It sounds like a made up gender. xD

[@Pikkabuu]

@@kubli365 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinko

[@ranterraver5959]

You’re literally describing Canadas system. Funding is provided mostly by the federal government, but the provinces run the actual system. Right now things aren’t going very well and it needs some time and energy spent rethinking parts of it, but overall I am happy with how the system is structured.

[@snackoman1577]

they just need to coerce some more poor people to off themselves, then the system will run smooth as butter!

[@slush7573]

@@snackoman1577 that’s what the medical assisted suicide protocol being introduced next month is for

[@flyingpugs3678]

As some one who does not live in Canada, but who has friends who do, I hear that there is around 1 doctor per 1000 people in more populated areas (at least becquerel) Is this your experience?

[@Kaiserboo1871]

@@flyingpugs3678 I think America is stealing Canada’s brightest doctors (after all they can make way more in America then in Canada).

[@jaflob6610]

Yeah I’d like to have some better healthcare, but the whole “oh it’s easier to assist in your death than it is to treat you long term” thing the government does is not cool

[@2day429]

Here in Brasil we have public health care. It’s often flooded and sometimes unreliable when it comes to emergencies and surgeries. However, the private healthcare is way more affordable than in America, and we actually have great subsides and even gratuity for continuous use of medicine, free ambulance, free vaccination. Those systems work very well and I’m really grateful for that. If it wasn’t for the Brazilian public health, I would probably not be able to be fully vaccinated and would have trouble affording continuous Medicine.

[@AntonioZL]

You can't count on it for everything, but being able to simply walk for 5-10 minutes to the nearest PSF and see a doctor after waiting for 10-20 minutes at best for no cost (besides taxes) is an incredible privilege.

[@goobot829]

3:28 wait so in france you can justify your gambling addiction with 'im helping hospitals' sounds like a plan

[@MMMM-pq1cj]

Thousands found a meaning in their lifes.

[@antonsundin2974]

It's more like you're more likely to need healthcare if you consume alcohol, tobacco and gamble etc. So that's why taxes on these items are increased.

[@goobot829]

@@antonsundin2974 that is very clever

[@cupface2308]

@@ericolens3 well they say gambling is a tax on the uneducated, so it actually makes a lot of sense

[@Vanskaboy]

@@ericolens3 Most times in the US when gambling money is used to fund education its just easy way to convince ppl that its going for a good cause and then they can just get same amount of funding that was originally going for education and spend it somewhere else.

[@LucidLivingYT]

"Sweden has a very high alcohol tax" *Laughs in Norwegian who travels across the border to buy cheap alcohol in Sweden*

[@cloudylemon2975]

😊

[@erwaldox]

Exaclty in Norway we have both huge alcohol and sugar taxes

[@casperd2100]

@@erwaldox Americans: Fatphobic!!!

[@ItsAweeb]

What a weak mindset! We take a ferry to tallinn, then buss to cheaper baltic countries buy so much alcohol that the we can build a makeshift raft from them and then sail back to home like god intended.

[@Naveen-tq7cg]

@@ItsAweeb Ah I spy a Finnish gentleman

[@t.f.t.f.8522]

I feel Sanders did a good job explaining how it would work, regarding improving medicare and eventually expanding it to cover all Americans. We already have a system for it in the US, it just doesn't cover everybody yet. But we definitely could learn a lot from the mistakes of other countries. He and other Americans supporting public healthcare have actually given several different detailed ways of implementing it here, but that often gets buried by the arguments. Sanders even said back in 2020 that everyone would pay a tax to pay for the public healthcare.

[@davidpagan8559]

It could only work if you have a mass cultural agreement from both political parties that we are all responsible for everyone else's health in some marginal or significant form. Americans don't want to care about their neighbor at all. Your health is your sole responsibility. We couldn't get people to agree to wearing a mask and standing six feet away back in 2020 and getting people to agree to taking a vaccine was a nightmare/still is a nightmare/will always be a nightmare. If we couldn't get people to agree to social responsibility there then how the hell could we ever get them to agree to the social responsibility innate in having socialized medicine?

[@Szcza04]

@@davidpagan8559 impossible to convince these neolibs

[@momo1234368]

I 100% agree with this take. I moved back to the states a few years ago after living abroad for over 15 years since age 12, and I had free healthcare abroad, but I'd say the quality of the service state side is much better, but the cost is ridiculous, and I'm fully aware of the problems with the free healthcare system, and after some research about how healthcare is handled in different countries, I also came to the conclusion that a system more similar to Germany's would work better for the US, as well as putting more responsibility on citizens to be healthy. I haven't been able to drink any soft drinks or eat other junk food since returning cause of how much more sweeter and artificial tasting it all is. The food industry here does require some new regulations imo. I found it pretty much effortless to stay a healthy weight and body fat percentage while living abroad, while state side it's become harder to, and I noticed it within the first few months back.

[@skaruts]

What everyone always leaves out is the reasons why healthcare in the US is so expensive. Everyone seems to go with the assumption that it's because it's private, without realizing that that makes no sense. Any business only gets more customers by having more accessible prices and payment plans, not the opposite. Unless government is screwing the economy, as it most often does, private-market-forces (competition, consumer choices) will push prices down and quality up over time, and one can just look around himself to see countless examples of that from every single market that exists. So one should really be asking the question: why isn't that happening in the US healthcare market? But that's not a rhetorical question. It really need answers. But of course, no one is even questioning that assumption to begin with, let alone asking that question and proceeding to dig deeper into what is keeping healthcare expensive in the US. And the politicians don't care. They're fighting for their own political interests. It's worth noting that the US gov healthcare spending is already comparable to those in europe. Healthcare in the US is barely private, with so much gov involvement in it. And therein lies the bulk of the issue at hand.

[@slowbro7944]

​@@skaruts why isn't that happening in the US healthcare market? Cause in other countries you have the option to go on the public healthcare if the prices for private are unappealing. Whereas in America you have to go the private route or deal with hospital costs of thousands which means that as long as one company doesn't lower the price way lower than everyone else. in Europe the private healthcare has to be competitive with the free option while in America private healthcare just has to be better than nothing at all.

[@skaruts]

@@slowbro7944 no, that's not the reason. Private clinics in europe aren't getting any cheaper over time as a result of a shortage of clientele vs public healthcare. And you're making the mistake of thinking of private healthcare an a single entity**. Government monopolizes things, private markets don't. There should be different healthcare companies competing against each other, unless the government has forced the healthcare market into being one giant monopoly, just like taxis in some European countries, where competition is outright banned (or used to be). Has it? I don't know if that's the case. But I know for sure the US gov is strangling the market. I alluded to that before. ** (However, even when there's only a single company in a market, that company still has to do its best to have accessible prices and keep consumers happy, because unhappy consumers are what makes competitors crop up.)

[@skaruts]

@@3x157 there are truths in what you're saying, US healthcare is much better than people like to give it credit for. But... you unwittingly pointed out one of the reasons why it's so expensive. When the gov is preventing prices from fluctuating as they should, that prevents markets from adjusting themselves properly, and ends up causing distortions in supply and demand, which result in both shortages and wastefulness, which end up inflating costs. So they're probably not paying what they should, they're most likely paying more than they should. Fixing prices is probably the number one deadly sin in economics...

[@1VaDude]

Something different about the USA is that our Constitution doesn't enumerate "health care" as a federal power or duty. Now, under the Tenth Amendment, any STATE is free to concoct their own system under their own jurisdictional taxation. If one state got it right, other states would quickly beat a path to their door. Ain't no way the clods in DC will ever be able to make it work.

[@mainaccount4056]

“Are Americans willing to allocate 10 to 15 percent of their annual budget to this kind of healthcare system” Me: laughs in tank

[@danialhalal]

28% already goes to it so beyond yes

[@tiberiuzabara6891]

16-18% of the USA GDP's goes in the healthcare system every year, more than any country in the EU, the problem is not the money but how it is managed. Also, the way Americans live their day to day life is also a big factor, even more, because the US is founded on the idea of individual freedom and responsibility above all, trying to create a system for all where someone pays for others healthcare issues is something very hard to digest for a lot of Americans. As the video suggests the public healthcare issue should start from the state level and convince other states why is a good idea and finally after a few states implement a public healthcare system and if it works it should be tried on a Federal level, not the other way around.

[@Volk1880]

@@tiberiuzabara6891 "someone pays for others healthcare issues is something very hard to digest for a lot of Americans." That attitude is truly selfish and disgusting. Just because some people proudly boast "I can afford MY doctors visits" or " WHY SHOULD I PAY IF I AM NOT SICK?!" ....and are totally happy to watch their fellow CITIZENS, i.e. their own country folk DIE just because they are in a bad financial situation. I am a young healthy fellow who works full time, and I pay approx £80 (100USD$) per week from my salary into the NHS / Health service. I have never been in hospital. I only visit a doctor once a year which is a work physical, so that is is private health care and not counted. I am on no mediation. Yet I don't grudge one single penny of what I put in, because I rest easy knowing, if I am struck down by cancer or lose a limb in some disgusting accident I know, I will be taken care of. Also I know any of my family members will be taken care of. I can sleep well knowing I won't have to bankrupt myself or my family if I get ill. Its called putting some money in for the greater good. I have an uncle that would be dead if we lived in the USA as he has some very particular kind of medication that would be well over $1000 a month under the US system. Yet he pays nothing for it (in Scotland, in England I do believe you pay a token fee of 10$?) Do I resent the fact I pay to keep him alive? No. What about people I don't know? Again no. It is called being a good human being. It is nothing to do with communism or socialism. But each to their own I guess....do Americans object to the amount they spent on military spending? I doubt it.

[@Volk1880]

@@tiberiuzabara6891 Don't worry friend, I am not triggered and I accept there are other ways of thinking on the planet other than my own. I speak two languages and lived in another country that was not my own, so I can appreciate being a guest in certain cultures etc. I just prefer my system to yours, no offence - lets agree to disagree. I just find the idea of denying someone the care they need based on finance abhorrent.

[@Volk1880]

@Cardboard Crusader 5.4 million actually if you want to get your facts right before making fun of someone. But if everyone pays in what the hell difference does it make? 1 million people or 360, it makes no difference in the scheme of things. P.s. EU has universal healthcare and has a population of 440 million. Population of Russia 144 million. Universal healthcare. Logic would suggest a country like mine has less people ergo is less likely to be able to afford other peoples healthcare is it not? Wouldn't 360 million people clubbing together have more of a chance? Try a difficult argument and be honest, like you just don't want to pay for anyone else. All I know is, and a lot of people in other countries have this in common is : My healthcare isn't tied to my employer. I don't have a plan for healthcare that I will lose if I become unemployed. Or if I have a pre-existing condition. I won't have to pay a dime if I get sick. It is something I don't have to worry about.

[@noecarrier5035]

"The NHS is one of the worst--" Now hang on "--healthcare systems in Europe." Oh, in Europe. Absolutely, yeah. Carry on.

[@Vesta_the_Lesser]

That's why we (US) keep comparing our system to it; bottom of the barrel in Europe IS STILL BETTER THAN WHAT WE'VE CURRENTLY GOT.

[@foreignfat6009]

@@Vesta_the_Lesser Yeah, I am sorry. But it is up to citizens to do it.

[@SRosenberg203]

@@foreignfat6009 Yeah, that's why it will never happen. Paying for something that benefits people other than yourself is considered to be an Anti-American value in most of the South and Midwest.

[@foreignfat6009]

@@SRosenberg203 Interesting that you still have socialistic systems in place, like welfara or fire department. "anti-american" my ass honestly, you are just selective as hell

[@spooky-nz9vj]

@@Vesta_the_Lesser why

[@billpetersen298]

Canadian here, we are stuck between styles. You got me on the candy, we used to have less sweet confectionery, in the British and European styles. Now it’s all made in big factories, catering to the us market, and horribly sweet. Also, I’m forever grateful to have our healthcare, provided as a public service. I’m in my 60’s and self employed. My family, and parents at the end of life, have had excellent care. Without me going bankrupt, or stressing about it.

[@tristanridley1601]

Our system is only decent compared to the USA. Everything he said about the NHS Applies to us as well. (Just say Mulroney and Cretien instead.) It's just that the American system is a whole league of bad.

[@tylerandrews4375]

Well good for you but for the rest of us stuck paying through the nose in taxes just to sit in line for hours, we aren’t happy

[@whirl3690]

To be fair, given the context of the NHS, the fact that it IS superior to the USA's healthcare system should really tell you how bad America's is.

[@Maplebear1203]

Exactly at least I won't burden my family with generations of debt if I go get medical care in a nationalized health system meanwhile the United States I can get a lesser quality even while paying significantly more

[@Mondo762]

The US has the best healthcare in the world. Where do you think most of the cutting edge surgical procedures and new wonder drugs come from? The problem is the high cost that Americans have to pay for it.

[@whirl3690]

@@Mondo762 I did say Healthcare *system.* The actual quality of the care isn't the topic of discussion.

[@Mondo762]

@@whirl3690 Quality of care is the foremost subject when rating a healthcare system. Having the best care comes with high costs. Just because something is cheaper does not make it better.

[@whirl3690]

@@Mondo762 I would rather average Healthcare which is free than the best Healthcare which is so expensive that countless people decide to leave things untreated to avoid the cost of receiving it.

[@matthewbergman6803]

I'll take paying higher taxes over spending $2,000 on an ambulance

[@cM-np3no]

$2000!!! Bruh! That's fucking cheap where do you live?

[@sasquatchanbearhunter]

I think the problem is thought that not everyone would and we need a very large majority to agree.

[@oyunlaryolda217]

@@cM-np3no Cheap!! I can live 4 months with that! Ambulances should be free for emergency

[@DerDop]

wtf brooo

[@cM-np3no]

@@oyunlaryolda217 4 months? My housing cost is $2500/month and that's by no means a lot here.

[@Dj-621]

As a amarican I'm really glad I found your channel a European prospective on our issues has been very helpful to me

[@Neurocataclysm]

Unfortunately now that it's 2023 we're seeing what's happening when individual states have a say over what is legal in the public health and it's even more unfortunate that in some states it's even criminalizing healthcare.

[@hughjazz4936]

Yup, I love my German healthcare. I see so many flaws in it but I wouldn't wanna miss it. Imagine having to start a gofundme page when you need a surgery...

[@georgesauro8867]

It's not bad really. After my appendectomy and cholecystectomy I had a remaining balance of about $2,100 dollars which I set up monthly payments with the hospital. It's not as scary over here as you think.

[@botchii3059]

@@eckusprosion5166 I could name maybe a few dozen countries that don't have public healthcare that's worse off than Brazil if you want.

[@TheManinBlack9054]

George Sauro lol, it's better to have it free, than 2100 dollars.

[@timmocnik3458]

Imagime needing a surgery but you have to wait 5 yeara for it *cries in slovene*

[@botchii3059]

@@eckusprosion5166 Brazil is literally a third world country; the only fair comparison is to compare it to another third world country. The only people who need to wait "6 years" for surgery aren't getting it to be treated for a life-threatening cancer or infection.

[@shaco77]

I am from Poland and coke is extremely sweet here. I can't imagine how sweet it must be in USA

[@jaydawg1636]

i tried coke in thailand and it was much sweeter it doesnt taste the same as european coke

[@LancesArmorStriking]

I've been to both Poland and US, it's about 1/3 sweeter here? Not by much but you can notice it

[@crazydragy4233]

@skem You get used to it, and then you can't taste anything else so u just keep drinking the same garbage :/ srsl I've talked to ppl who are like "I don't like water, I only drink soda"..... just yikes

[@highjumpstudios2384]

American food is stuffed full of shit that’s horrible for us, Polish Coke is probably way better for you than American food ever will be.

[@codynerf]

Coke is amazing in the US

[@XxMonkeyman3831xX]

Being an American, I had my hesitancies before watching this video. Was pleasantly surprised-great, well thought out video!

[@sheikhyerboutial-nait]

The only problem with instituting it on a state-by-state basis is that some states are so deeply in debt, that they are on the verge of bankruptcy.

[@wilsonciao8286]

So would more federal debt be a solution?

[@sheikhyerboutial-nait]

@@wilsonciao8286 definitely not.

[@JewTube001]

most USA states have no power on their own, they'd just get trampled by the big corporations. wallmart and amazon employ more people and have a higher budget than some entire states do.

[@Yingyanglord1]

and some company lobby agianst state laws that hurt the people such as the time kentucky started having community run internet providing this was made illegal for comunnity and small buisness by a push by verizon and comcast

[@Lem0nsquid]

@@JewTube001 sure but a lot of US states are more poweful then "powerful" nations in europe and elsewhere

[@duartelobo9435]

1812 overture when talking about France? C'mon don't do them dirty like that

[@wizardsuth]

Could be worse. At least the 1812 overture is about France, and has La Marseillaise as one of its prominent themes. When the video first mentioned Scotland it showed an image of Mordor.

[@duartelobo9435]

@@wizardsuth It's about the french invasion of Russia, wich failed, I think its more like a mocking of the French anthem and France, kinda I guess

[@hypothalapotamus5293]

Tchaikovsky... Feels Russian, because it is. I don't think that it is mocking the French anthem so much as using it as the villain.

[@duartelobo9435]

@@hypothalapotamus5293 yeah you are totally right

[@sophiaccore]

Lets say that Mexico is invaded and gets beefed on by the US. That's like making a documentary about Mexico while blaring the American anthem in the background. Kinda a little maybe not i dunno shrug

[@LikeTotallyDonut]

This take is very very interesting and I think it bodes true, I personally have diagnosed chronic Pancreatitis and have had it since I was 14, and now that I’m 20, I worry about having to go to the hospital and paying $1500 out of pocket. For me I have a genetic mutation, it’s not because of what I eat and I feel like it should be treated differently to that of someone who willingly chooses to be obese. It’s to the point where I consider going to immigrate to Canada just because I know I’ll have my finances squared away even if I have to spend a week in the hospital. (And before people comment things like “Well it takes a year to see a doctor in Canada because it’s free” I would like to say that in my state, it takes 6 months to see any kind of specialist for my condition, and general doctors who can be seen in a short amount of time have no idea how to help me except to give me ibuprofen which doesn’t help, so it’s not any better here, it’s better over there)

[@ignatiusjackson235]

I wish you the very best. My grandmother died of Pancreatic cancer a few years back. It's fucking terrible, and it's best to nip it in the bud. Preventive care is an absolute must, and there's no legitimate excuse for the government neglecting its people of that basic human right.

[@Buffalo_Soldier]

You realize how much better is "paying 2000 or 5000$" once, than paying 1500 every month? I pay 20% of my income to healthcare fund.

[@LMB222]

You'll be dead soon, unless you move.

[@sd-ch2cq]

'my sickness is not my fault' ~every american~ Nothing will change when you guys spend more time hating each other than being kind and caring. The sick are every bit as selfish as the healthy.

[@LongPeter]

Glad we have a public healthcare system in Australia. There are some odd exclusions (optical/dental/ambulance cover) but for the most part, you can get the care you need and it won't permanently bankrupt you. Both of my kids were born in (or near) a public hospital. The care and education were top notch and it didn't cost us a cent.

[@audreydoyle5268]

In Queensland, ambulance services are paid for via a slight tax on the electricity bills of the state's population. Absolutely, bloody genius. You'd think they'd roll that out everywhere, especially in NSW, of all states! And WA, SA and NT need more heli-ambos. If those states had more solar farms, they'd be able to generate the revenue through grid surplus dividends to fund their ambulance services. Luckily, where I'm based (central coast), I get free dental through my uni as a student. And you do get free optometrist appointments on Medicare. I don't think chiro, cosmetic procedures, or neuro/psychological diagnoses are funded under our healthcare system (I only just managed to get an ASD and ADHD assessment by my NDIS plan coordinator tweaking my funding usage). And even necessary surgeries (I need spinal realignment surgery as I have scoliosis, but it's "only moderate", so they won't significantly subsidise or operate unless it's severe) aren't totally paid for unless it's immediately life threatening. I think you may be a little confused about what our healthcare system provides mate. Take a look at your health insurance policy. That's why you can't access those "exclusions", cause your insurance doesn't cover them. But Medicare certainly does (albeit with a fee and rebate), and so do other insurance companies.

[@Buffalo_Soldier]

You are dead wrong if you think it didn't cost you a cent. It probably costs you 15-20% of your monthly pay. I don't like this socialist fantasy world pushed in 90% of comments... Video we're commenting was much more balanced and reasonable in its considerations.

[@whitewhitewhite2446]

Your nanny continent requires everyone to lock their car doors. No thanks

[@LongPeter]

@@whitewhitewhite2446 neither the geology nor the government require anyone to lock their doors, although you may wish to on sight of some of the larger spiders.

[@viniwizi]

Meanwhile in Brazil's Public healthcare: *I waited so long in line that obesity is not a problem anymore!*

[@Idk-dm9zg]

sus isn't that much of a shit after all

[@jasperpluk]

yet Brazil isn't the best country to compare it with... Brazil is still a third world country by statistics... if you really want to compare it, compare it to the various EU nations that have Universal Healthcare..

[@viniwizi]

@@jasperpluk Brazil it's a developing country, that is why he joined BRICS. Statistics are very tricky, some states like, São Paulo, Rio Grande do Sul and Paraná have good statistics, but they fade away when calculating the bigger picture.

[@missquprison]

I really fancy Brazil, but the crime is the sole reason why I wouldnt want to live there anytime soon.

[@tonhaogamergranudo]

@@missquprison Oh my sweet summer child, if only the crime rates were the biggest of our problems...

[@ISAF_Ace]

The NHS England may be the laughing stock of public healthcare systems, but I’m still bloody grateful it exists.

[@Alblaka]

I mean, that's kinda the US' motto isn't it? Asking other countries to hold the beer whilst proving that everything can always be made worse.

[@harleyokeefe5193]

The NHS itself isn’t a laughing stock, it’s saved countless lives and continues to do brilliant work each and every day. It’s the way it’s run and funded that is the laughing stock

[@Remake5182]

I hear in America you must pay for it.

[@wantrcy]

@@harleyokeefe5193 it has saved countless lives but currently all most all of the Jobs are striking except doctors,teachers in England and police

[@colinwilliams3459]

@@Alblaka Hey it's not all bad! Best millitary in the world baby! Someone breaks into a house, they have to question whether the owner has a 12 gauge rocked with freedom slugs. Also government not being able to arrest individuals for speaking out against institutions is pretty awesome

[@josterin]

I'm from Brazil, living in the U.S. I always feel divided about this matter. My experience with public health was not great at all. In Brazil, if you have cancer, you have to go to a private hospital bc in the public hospital, it would take months just to get a ct scan or regular visits. I am speaking for experience, but some people might have a different opinion. Here in the U.S. I suffered a small accident in 2019. A simple broken bone, and in a matter of HOURS, I had my surgery, and I was going home! That was new for me. Once in Brazil, I had to go to the hospital bc I was shaking in cold. I would have to wait for over 300 ppl in front of me to have a visit in an emergency room, I went home instead. And note that private hospitals could be expensive everywhere, even in Brazil.

[@lordsrednuas]

Your experience highlights some of the common pitfalls that can happen with a public health service, and also why private health can seem attractive. I'd maintain that private health can only be attractive if the public option is already messed up or non-existent. Just starting from the basic concept, it's a bit weird having public and private health coexisting in a country in such a major way, and demonstrates some major flaws. You say the wait times for the publicly funded ct scans in Brazil are so long you have to go to a private hospital. Just think about that for a moment, the demand for something as important as a ct scan is so high, that an entire 'for profit' industry is not just allowed, or getting by, but is a huge staple. When that happens with the other major emergency services, we recognise that something is very wrong. Wait times for police are months long? So hire the mercenary contractors. Wait times for the fire department are weeks long? So hire mercenary... firefighters. In those situations, of course the private institutions are attractive than the alternative. When your house is on fire, naturally the private firefighting company is going to look really good compared to a 3 week wait time from the publicly funded one... but the real problem here isn't that people who can afford to choose chose the fast one, the problem is the publicly funded one isn't just as fast. I don't doubt your experiences in Brazil and the US, and I'm sure the US experience felt nice and fast. I'm equally sure that if you had some mercenary firefighters on retainer, you'd call them if you had a housefire. But those aren't nearly as common, and while private security firms exist, they tend to be expensive and very specific in their duties, and not something everyone is expected to deal with. One of the richest men in history lived in ancient Rome, he invented a private firefighting company. He got rich by haggling with people out the front of their burning property, refusing to put it out unless they caved to his really high prices. That only lasted a few years before the Roman empire put a stop to it. Primarily for the public good of not letting the city burn down just because someone wasn't home to haggle with this guy. But for some reason we have allowed the same situation to continue for thousands of years when it comes to health. Maybe because the economic and material effects just aren't as viscerally obvious as a city burning down, but those flow on effects are just as real and deadly. I don't want to ban private healthcare, I don't want to ban private firefighting either. I just think that if an entire for profit industry, that by definition cost multiples times what the public option costs, can happily take up a noticeable amount of the market. It's pretty fucked up. If it took months for firefighters to get to your house in Brazil, but a private firefighting company in the US gets there really fast. That doesn't mean the concept of public firefighters is bad, it means they are horribly underfunded and understaffed.

[@oswaldoalbuquerque]

I LITERALY know people who lives got safed because of public healthcare here in Brasil. Including cancer pacients, which protocol is different. And the private is not as ridiculous expensive as it is in the US. There is no comparison on that matter.

[@josterin]

@@oswaldoalbuquerque All members of my family had to pay out of their pockets, and some even had take out loans for that, but good for your family. If that was me, I wouldn't take the risk.

[@LMB222]

Thing is… the US is not a developing country. Brazil is. It's not an insult, but an explanation why if you get cancer, you die - unless you go to a private company. A country with the wealth of the US should have been able to solve their issues, instead of making them worse.

[@mladenstific2459]

Wow, this is the most informative, nuanced and based take on this problem I've ever seen or thought possible. Well done!

[@andrasfogarasi5014]

"The NHS is one of the worst health care services in Europe." *laughs in Hungarian*

[@cathalmurphy4584]

feels bad man

[@user-ue6gg3zv3o]

*Laughs in Greek*

[@cool-ro6ss]

Laughs in Polish

[@thereita1052]

@ALSO-RAN ! you don't now much about Hungery or Orban right? I'm not saying you're uninformated but make some research and you will find out somthing about private companies and Hungary

[@chelixon]

*Laughs in Russian*

[@stormtrooper2466]

When you said the NHS was rubbish I was super concerned because I’m Scottish, I had no idea about the difference in England. Thanks for informing me!

[@BhagwantRai654]

Yes, thanks to taxpayers in England the Scottish division of the NHS does perform better. I would not call NHS England rubbish however.

[@mikefialko2979]

The for profit health care system we have now is unsustainable. As long as our Lawmakers on Capitol Hill get money under the table from pharmaceutical companies, medical technology manufacturers, and doctors who want $150 dollars for a 5 minute visit, It’s time to make changes to health care in the USA.

[@bluespidergaming7719]

The issuance is its run as a for profit business but given no competition and a seemingly endless pool oof money (insurance payouts)

[@YFZriderdude15]

$150? What world are you living in? My last 5-minute visit with the doctor about a problem he didn't fix cost me $636.

[@bluespidergaming7719]

@YFZriderdude15 I got charged $900 for a kidney stone no surgery all I got was a cat scan,morphine ,anti throw up medicine, and a room for 3 hrs to pass it

[@bluespidergaming7719]

Technically I paid 1,500 because radiology charged me 600

[@tavernburner3066]

Please watch the video

[@squiddler7731]

1:45 "He believed the public service could be run like a private company despite having no competition" _gee I've never heard that one before_

[@webeewaboo]

*Flashbacks to america sponsoring banana dictatorships*

[@whwhwhhwhhhwhdldkjdsnsjsks6544]

“Hey, I’ve seen this one!”

[@albinoobama3988]

the banana republics in a nutshell

[@dinomra7771]

As an American: I really like the idea of limiting the sugar content of foods, as well as taxing cigarettes and alcohol. Holy cow, thanks for the likes!

[@tramachi7027]

Altough Tobacco taxing is really questionable. In Germany the smokers have become less but even our high taxes (cigarettes are being taxed 3 times in Germany btw) dont discourage many. If youre addicted its hard to get off. But the harsher prices reduced new smokers so its a success I guess?

[@Leitis_Fella]

The problem is that untaxed cigarettes and alcohol are a big source of income for organized crime as well as illegal drugs

[@tieman3790]

@@tramachi7027 maybe less people start using them? It will be a dick move to the addicts tho

[@arx3516]

High taxes on tobacco favours organized crime that offers cigarettes at far lower prices, since they are smuggled in.

[@wishyrater]

wait... you don't?

[@condotiero860]

That is so well put. Im saving this and using for whenever anyone asks me about healthcare in general. I remember watching a documentary about Korea's fitness laws (i thought it was like a conscription requirement) But this makes so much more sense.

[@davidpagan8559]

If we really want a tough conversation with American healthcare then we do have to realize that cultural stigmas and taboos about being fat work. It's a lot easier to fund the costs of a healthcare system when you don't have a massive portion of the population looking massively portioned from eating and drinking massive portions.

[@GrantFerdinandsen]

Wow. As an US citizen this is eye opening

[@duckheadbob]

Oh God please don't think that. This video is so wrong on so many fundamental levels people here are, rightly, speculating this is produced in association with Healthcare insurance companies.

[@FretfulClown95]

@@duckheadbob Please, go on. Don’t miss anything, I want to know what you think is wrong here!

[@doctaflo]

@@duckheadbob you have a moral imperative to elaborate!

[@asmodai6244]

@@duckheadbob now there's an American

[@pootis4986]

Fun fact: when Denmark regulated fat taxes on their fast food, people went for cheaper and less healthier foods in supermarkets and a year prior the obesity rate increased. not saying federal regulations are bad, just saying that they have to be well thought.

[@OnlyGrafting]

Sugar tax hits Irn Bru Everyone wants old recipe Old recipe returns more expensive Flies off the shelves anyways

[@zeroyuki92]

Fat is the wrong target. Go for sugar

[@MrEt894]

I knew immediately that would have been a problem. I don’t know much about healthcare. But I do know about diet. And banning fat will always lead to worse replacements.

[@Paul-zk2tn]

@@OnlyGrafting And now anyone buying said old recipe is paying extra tax to pay straight into the NHS. (haha, at least, thats how its meant to work, but go figure)

[@Vesta_the_Lesser]

A year prior??? did you mean to say "a year later"

[@Phrv199217]

5:35 Funny thing: I have a friend who lives in Denmark, and I asked him what he thinks of the Swedes. He answered: They visit us to buy cheap booze.

[@jamiearan]

Your Tuborg beer is good stuff, a favourite foreign brand even in countries like Nepal

[@Phrv199217]

@@jamiearan I live in Austria, man. I drink Austrian and/or Czech beer.

[@BlackoutFury]

just like germans with czechia.

[@thisguyishisface370]

Norwegians go to buy booze in Sweden, because it's so much cheaper lol

[@jarleskogly8388]

​@@thisguyishisface370 I was about to say that. Norway is tax hell.

[@TooMuchDad]

My favorite part when I hear folks from other countries complain about their healthcare system, my answer is almost always “yeah, ours does that shitty thing too, but we also are at risk of going bankrupt at any time if we have an serious healthcare issue.”

[@isthisajojoreference]

Ikr. Oh you have to wait a long time to get medical services in your country? I’m American and I once waited 4 months to get an appointment for a doctor to remove a cyst in my ear only for them to look at it, say “yep looks like there’s a cyst there” then end the appointment and tell me to schedule another one to actually get it removed. I already knew the cyst was there! And they charged me!

[@avenged7peep958]

That would give me constant anxiety if I lived in the us

[@adamboyd8316]

@@isthisajojoreferencethe good thing about American is you can choose to find another doctor that isnt awful

[@r1gilk3nt]

Hey, literally an honorably discharged Iraq vet, infantry in the army, saw combat, lots. Healthcare was only provided to me for free for 5 years after my deployment, and I have had to fight to prove service connected illnesses, to get care for that, only. I honestly don't care if I have to get into a fist fight with the doctor when I go, I just want ANY kind of public health care. People should never weigh potentially dying in a war you're not politically or ethically motivated to win in order to receive basic education or health care.

[@Grudgin]

My fav part is just Scotland beating England over the head

[@solarwolf678]

69th like

[@phatboi6650]

:(

[@OverlordMalarkey]

I dont mean to brag but yeah, our NHS is better than Englands

[@eddiehowell9871]

As an Englishman, it was also my favorite part

[@justsomeguywithoutamustach3978]

It's revenge for taking over Scotland

[@mobydickriter2641]

I just found out the us spends more percentage of their gdp on Health care than France

[@yerfriendlyneighborhoodsco3337]

yet its still shittier-

[@chrisbreizh29]

For sure , lot of medics invented and make in usa are cheaper in france. Nicotinell box 25 dollars...11 euros in france. The beneficits in health are amazing in usa.

[@Lrripper]

@@chrisbreizh29 it is reimbursed at 65% too

[@catwiffhat4274]

but yet it's still awful by comparison. sure you may recieve quality care for a surgery... but you drive home with thousands of dollars to pay even with insurance. It's insanity that this has been normalized in American culture.

[@VeryAnonymousTurtle]

@@catwiffhat4274 heh nothing like avoiding the hospital so you don't get those sweet sweet bills ;) (this is not funny anymore)

[@Sarappreciates]

Wisconsin metastatic cancer patient here. Our states have individual "healthcare" options. Here in Wisconsin, if my insurance (via my husband's employment) craps out, then Badgercare (public option) will catch my fall. My quality of care may take a slight dip, but overall I don't need to change doctors or much else. They had me change a medication dosage, but my oncologist's PA took them to task for it and got it changed back because she's a freaking WONDER WOMAN! If national healthcare goes public, we'd likely choose to model it after states that already have some form of it. We're not all complete idiots.

[@feedbackking1316]

The US already spends a lot on public Healthcare and the VlogBrothers did a great job explaining how the US could switch to a public HC system.

[@captnsalty9274]

you kinda forgot to add about how Japan's Culture is based on good eating habits.

[@mdah7090]

damn why cant we just be a healthy country. i hate seeing obese mfs ordering 4 cheeseburgers only for themselves

[@Ickguenthrasil]

@@mdah7090 because American food is horribly unhealthy

[@sxxp4392]

@@Ickguenthrasil Thats because of the poverty in America, and fast food strongholds in every city

[@In0god0we0trust]

Obesity in Japan is 4%. Obesity in USA is 40%

[@niles1492]

@@sxxp4392 poverty isn't a main reason people in america are being so fat. It's a small point, to what the main problem is.... the food.

[@midnightflare9879]

Unhealthy food: exsists. Europe: There's gonna be a tax for that.

[@stijnvisser2290]

yes that is good

[@mad0131]

oversimplified reference

[@midnightflare9879]

@@mad0131 indeed

[@pierren___]

Good then

[@a.h.s.3006]

This angered the US, who punished them severely.

[@sterlingodeaghaidh5086]

As an EMT in the U.S, our healthcare system is weird. The thing that gets me and what I hate about it is it was a good system when it first started. Back then tho, treatments and stuff actually followed an accurate valuation, you were charged the cost of goods and services with a little on top for profit to allow for expansion and more. It changed, while I cannot say for sure why, most point to insurance companies, others greedy conglomerates, but regardless, what started out good ended up a mess. I would happily pay a percentage of the taxes we ALREADY pay towards such systems with the option of privatehealth care too, but my voice is sadly one of few in a sea of silence.

[@alejandromolina7270]

I believe a few states have tried making their own public healthcare. Minnesota, Massachusetts, and Connecticut. When they implemented it was so flooded with people on day one the state government had to cancel the public healthcare program. But we do have a good public healthcare program, you just have to join the military to get it.

[@HUNTERKILLER20001]

I like how americans can tell me with a straight face that they don't want to pay for public healthcare, then immediately pay 20% or more of their paycheck to a private insurance company who makes the most money by cutting corners and finding any excuse possible to avoid providing their services.

[@Poadiup]

@@razortheonethelight7303 yeah thats really stupid that The us spends all their tax payer money on being the world police

[@tjl4688]

So, just like how the NHS currently does?

[@Sarif2056]

I don't agree with it at all bro. Fuck Aetna for trying to take half of my weekly paycheck. I've been an M4A advocate since I first heard about it in 2015.

[@apfeltasche5669]

@@razortheonethelight7303 Do you know why they do that? Because they want to ensure to have strong trade connections. The European market is very profitable for the US and they surely don't want to lose it to Russia. Also, a great part of your military in my country likes to control their drones on the other side of the planet at the Rammstein Airbase. Without Germany's permission to have that US base it would be impossible for US drone pilots to operate in the Middle East because the frequencies aren't able to traverse over such large distances due to the Earth's curvature. So it is very much in the interest of your country to have strong military influence in Europe because it opens the door to operations in the Middle East and places far from direct access. The US doesn't simply have their bases here in order to protect us Europeans. They have their bases here in order to be able to react fast on important events on the African or Asian continent. The protectionist function has greatly declined since the end of the Cold War. Don't get me wrong, I am very grateful for that, but nowadays it is just a positive effect that comes with the US having a great interest in having such bases in order to do other stuff in the Middle East for example. And please don't get mad due to all my fellow Europeans because they think so highly of their civic achievements. I mean it's really just a matter of culture that divides us. Some small advice on what to prevent talking about with Europeans because they don't understand how important that is to you: Guns, predatory capitalism (I don't know if you only use it in a bad context, to say that something is bad; I mean with that the system you have in which there is the individual's responsibility to achieve and not so much all of society), individualism, health care, being number one (... its true for many things, but you really shouldn't rub that into the faces of Europeans that much because we get very angry) I hope you've learned something if not then probably because you know better. I know that comments tend to sound rude and very shouty but I hope you see that it was meant with good intention. Have a nice day and definitely don't let you have it ruined due to some random dude on the internet that has to tell you that public health care is the only truth and you're a moron (Just ignore those guys, they don't know any better)

[@abc68130]

@@razortheonethelight7303 So wrong. The US actually spends MORE tax money on healthcare than most of Europe, it just does it far more inefficiently. Russia also isn't really a threat, France alone has a higher military budget and their own nukes.

[@berniefernandez7148]

Thank you, an actual European that doesn’t make fun of our stereotypes and actually genuinely brought something to the table to help us.

[@nickb2708]

So his whole argument against the French system is that it costs money? And the private insurance alternative... doesn't? America spends like twice as much per person on healthcare lmao

[@danielchera9214]

@@nickb2708 yeah I didnt get that part. The problem is clearly not the amount of money sepnt, but how the money is spent. According to another comment with some citations, the US spends about 10,000 per person (I'm assuming annually) and France spends 4,500, yet only France has universal healthcare.

[@sulfur_americium2993]

Eh, not really. Nearly every country ball he shows of America is either shooting a gun upwards while screaming "MERICA" or is morbidly obese, which is literally the only two insults Europeans have on the U.S apart from obviously, the healthcare system

[@danielchera9214]

@@sulfur_americium2993 while I partially agree with what u said, u make it sound like healthcare, guns, and obesity are the only things worth insulting about the US. One of the biggest reasons why people of other nationalities frequently insult the US is due to their pride, especially when it comes to "freedom", "democracy", and being "the greatest" despite the fact that the US is not even that close to the most democratic country, country with most "freedom", and arguably not the greatest in abt 90% of things. The US was relatively progressive for a long part of its history but now it's very much behind in many aspects despite what many Americans seemingly believe. Also bad presidents are universal but Germany and France, the leaders of the EU, both have very solid presidents overall for their countries at the moment especially when compared to the US.

[@roojackaroo8517]

@@danielchera9214 Also because the US saying 'freedom' most likely means they are going to organise a coup in a third world country(preferably middle east) the minute they think about nationalizing their oil industry. Can't let them not give you the oil am I right?

[@jackhenderson9798]

Hi Kraut, My company is a leading provider of clinical insourcing in the UK. We are a private company treating NHS patients in NHS hospitals, when discussing the NHS you missed a few points wildly. Would be happy to discuss in detail the real issues the NHS faces & why it is failing.

[@ladyalicent705]

As an Aussie, our public healthcare system is nowhere near as good as European countries (we pay full price, but they give about 40% of it back the next day), but I’m proud to say that we have the highest tax on tobacco in the entire world!

[@LMB222]

That's because you don't border any country to snuggle from.

[@yodef6828]

Putting "Overture 1812" in the background while talking about the French is a really advanced kind of irony

[@solomonreal1977]

CHEEEYIIINUHHHHH

[@r1ght_653]

Funny to see that most people only memorized that part of our history.

[@LCB_Instituto]

Damn, thanks for pointing out!

[@michealpulkka6809]

I was really expecting it to be a twist, and for him to go on to say something about Russia having a public health care service. But nah

[@gabrieldarce1991]

That's La Marseillaise, the french national anthem.

[@hudsonwhitney2592]

"Some countries, such as the UK, even have a sugar tax" *Shakes in freedom*

[@pudy2487]

@@stan-du5sw pretty sure this comment was ironic

[@stan-du5sw]

@@pudy2487 it shouldn't be, im not a libertarian but have you ever had diet pepsi

[@Weisior]

Well now have it in Poland too. These fucking leftists, tfu!

[@MarioGomez-kj5bc]

lib rights be like

[@frogchip6484]

As a UK citizen, I honestly never notice the sugar tax or care for it, don't get too worried about it.

[@wrestlerboy500]

The issue with what you described as best for America is that many states wouldn’t be able to finance their own effective healthcare systems, the same way that they can’t finance effective public education. The reason why it needs to be done at the federal level to be effective is because those previously mentioned states get more money from the federal government than they get from their state taxes. Without a federal system to opt into, a state like Mississippi or Kentucky would never be able to have a healthcare system that’s as effective as one California could have.

[@demetergrasseater]

What people don't realize in the US is that despite the higher tax burden, a public healthcare system would cost the average American less than they spend on health insurance.

[@eamono]

"America doesn't understand how expensive public healthcare is! France's healthcare is awesome but they spend FIFTEEN PERCENT of their GDP on it!" *america spending 18% of its GDP on private healthcare*

[@Supernichtpatrick]

The guys before you said it was 21%, so where do you people get your numbers from? I am convinced the US is spending more than France, I just want to see the source.

[@smartie293]

At the Congressional Budget Office this graph can be found: www.cbo.gov/system/files/2020-04/56324-CBO-2019-budget-infographic.pdfIf you add up the 1.9% and the 3.0% you get a total of 4.9% of gross domestic product spend on Healthcare.

[@blitzballrusher4993]

@@Supernichtpatrick You can check the site for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services cms.gov which tracks historical health and medical spending as well as projects future spending based on expectations. They list the total in the US for 2018 as $3.6 trillion, which was 17.7% of GDP. The CDC also has historical data on their website as well, which includes 2017 data showing that quantity at $3.5 trillion (17.9% in 2017).

[@i5m1thy]

Exactly... The whole cost argument is completely meaningless because the end result is that Americans spend more money on a system that covers less people. Costs also end up stacking up for the people who need healthcare or medication whereas in a nation with public healthcare those costs are shared by everyone, the way it should be. Also medication prices are better negotiated etc. with the pharmaceutical industry.

[@Supernichtpatrick]

@@i5m1thy almost sounds like a system that is interest in a healthy population rather than a system that is making money of you being sick

[@hk-4738]

“Over in Europe, we have a sugar tax” Sweden: *sweating nervously*

[@SahnigReingeloetet]

I remember going to Sweden for vacation, like, hot damn do you guys put sugar in EVERYTHING?! Don‘t get me wrong, it tastes amazing, but hot damn

[@hk-4738]

@@SahnigReingeloetet Yes, more or less. As much as I neglect brushing my teeth, I'm amazed I've never gotten dental caries.

[@SahnigReingeloetet]

HK-47 Aye, but I do get it, as much as I do love cold and humid weather, it is taxing in the long run. And I loved the sheer amount of deep-fried and sugary stuff (ain‘t healthy but fuck it). My sister in law is from Latvia and has a part Swedish family, the Smôrgastorta on the wedding was fabulous, Swedish cuisine is really something

[@egregius9314]

@Marc T I would sooner imagine magnesium to be an issue rather than calcium. IANADr though.

[@egregius9314]

@Marc T Ah, just found it: www.betterbones.com/bone-nutrition/magnesium/ I knew I wasn't completely crazy. Magnesium is part of the enzymes we use to absorb calcium from our diet and utilize vitamin D. "The enzyme that is required for forming new calcium crystals, alkaline phosphatase, also requires magnesium for activation, and if levels are low, abnormal bone crystal formation can result."

[@alaakela]

This was a very very good summary. Thank you

[@DLYChicago]

Public health care in America is already funded--through private insurance--but the funds are not efficiently allocated. Much of the the funding goes to pay administrative costs within both the health-care providers and the insurance companies. So we are funding TWO bureaucracies. And because these companies are private and FOR profit, our health-care costs go to shareholder value.

[@runner3280]

when youtubers are better in politics than politicians themselves

[@zackiechan2601]

No not really, politicians just like to overthink it a bit.

[@pkattk]

it's a bit easier to be a pundit or a scholar than a politician. You have the benefit of being able to think through problems without any constraints of needing a plan of action or facing consequences for getting it wrong.

[@enderblitzgaming7532]

Politicians are good at arguing like children. KZbinrs have an objective view of political topics like this one and can explain and solve it better

[@AofCastle]

Politicians have to be popular to be successful. You don't need to be a good politician to be popular.

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

It's not the job of politicians to inform people, tbf. Maybe it should be but at present they have no incentive to do that.

[@jamesturner2914]

The NHS has saved mine and my families lives a few times now and we have not had to pay for any hospital visit . The occasional prescription has been cheap and my mother's cancer treatment (2 times ) was quick and free. It's not perfect. It's abused. It's stretched. But the NHS is a wonderful thing , the people within work longer hours than paid for and it's made by the people.

[@te1327]

We just need to increase funding

[@DanMcLeodNeptuneUK]

@@te1327 it really is that simple (apart from brexit issues)

[@oliversfan2647]

@@rafters9155 No he isn't he's just saying that the NHS isn't up to modern standerts and therefor isn't a good example for Americans

[@DanMcLeodNeptuneUK]

@@rafters9155 A sauer German? xD

[@oliversfan2647]

@@rafters9155 according to wikipidea In 2016 yes but would you kindly look at newer sources and discover that Germany and England are equal whit the Germans having a few weeks more and also I wasn't saying that the NHS is bad but that the Americans shouldn't take it as a example. Hope this makes my point clear sorry for any inconvenience. (sorry for any grammar mistakes)

[@jmorr1780]

I wonder if the US added taxes per sugar content if manufacturers would eventually cut back

[@Kevin-jb2pv]

I agree with you. The biggest issue with this whole debate is that everyone outside the US assumes that the US is a lot more centralized than we really are. In Europe, you guys don't have a "European healthcare system", you have a healthcare system set up within each country. Germany has its own healthcare system, France has its own healthcare system, Denmark has its own healthcare system, and so on. What the US should _REALLY_ be doing is setting up healthcare reform at the state levels, perhaps with some broader guidelines and/ or bare minimum requirements set at the federal level. If Americans really want to see the US move to a "European-style" healthcare system, then that's the way it should be managed. The needs of people in the US vary _VASTLY_ depending on the region they live in, and a healthcare system mandated from the top down would be a disaster. Even the relatively modest "reforms" of Obamacare have had _disastrous_ impacts on healthcare in rural areas of the US. Yeah, there are good _parts_ of the ACA, like reforming all the "preexisting condition" shit, but on the whole it is a mess. The really annoying thing is that so many _AMERICANS_ who want public healthcare systems seem to just ignore these problems that _ALREADY EXIST_ because most of the pro-public healthcare people live in cities and, quite frankly, don't give a flying fuck about rural communities and even actively sneer at them and (I have actually heard multiple people express this sentiment) think that they "get what they deserve for being stupid rednecks." This is not isolated to healthcare, either. All the time people in urban areas want the state or federal governments to tax everyone for public services that would, inevitably, only become available in urban areas. Things like public transit make _no_ sense in a town with only 5,000 - 10,000 people in it, and, yet, all the time you hear from people in a city demanding that _the state_ raise new taxes to pay for services in _the city they live in._ The obvious solution to this would be for these things to be provided by _the city_ who could tax the people who would actually use such services, but at the end of the day, even leftists in the US have an extreme aversion to paying taxes and will do whatever they can to spread those taxes out to as many people as possible so that they don't have to pay for them, themselves. The justification for this attitude usually boils down to "well, X city is responsibly for Y% of the the economic activity in Z state, so these rural people SHOULD be paying for the services that support Z state!" Which is absurd. Just because the city you live in makes a number at the state level bigger doesn't mean that any of the actual economic benefit makes its way back to that rural area. That is like saying, "Well, the US is the biggest economy on Earth, so Uganda SHOULD be paying for our highways because they benefit from our economic activity because we contribute the most to the Earth's GDP!" To be clear, I don't like the current system. I think that it binds people to their employers and makes them less willing to make meaningful changes in their lives. If you're a diabetic or have some other chronic disease that requires constant (and expensive) care, then that means that you are stuck with the job you have. Trying to strike it out on your own is suddenly much riskier and much costlier, since not having insurance or just getting catastrophic coverage is not really an option if you have major monthly expenses, and even changing jobs becomes risky because most employers won't offer health insurance until you have worked there for a minimum of 90 days (and many employers use temp agencies and other sneaky shit to extend this time frame by a lot or even indefinitely), which means that you're on the hook for the full cost of whatever medical care you need during that time. Don't even get me started on COBRA. If you want your blood to boil, look into how COBRA works and how much it costs. It's astonishing that anyone could ever think it's anything other than a "fuck you" to anyone who quit or was fired from their job. I mean, just look at the fucking name. I don't like any system that binds you to someone else's employ like that. I would much rather see people get more control of their own healthcare one way or another. There's more than one way to get universal healthcare, it doesn't have to be through a big, monolithic, central administration and can still mean that everyone has access. Though I do think that in order to pay for all this, we need to: A) fix the rampant problems that exist within the current medicare and medicaid systems. If we can't manage the problems within our CURRENT systems, then we shouldn't be rushing off to throw more money into the same pit. B) Cut military spending. Not completely, not by any means. But we could spend HALF what we do right now and still be outspending China (The next largest military spender) by quite a lot, and I'm not even suggesting that we cut spending by that much. I don't know exactly how much we should cut, but it could be a considerable sum of money and still leave us with the most powerful military on Earth.

[@gaffalstudios3617]

Fun fact: Denmark has an tax on candy and becuase of this many criminals in Denmark smuggle old candy from Sweden to sell it expensive in Denmark, soo candy smugglers exist idk just sounds wierd to me, like imagine a person asking you what you do for a living and you reply, "yeah Ima candysmuggler" like tf

[@gaffalstudios3617]

@Zuurker U yeah I literally laughed my ass of when I heard of danish candysmugglers on national tv

[@yuvraj7214]

I like my freedom better than living in the Islamic Republic of Denmark. USA is still the best country for any person to live in.

[@yuvraj7214]

@Zuurker U There are literally no-go zones in The Islamic republic of denmark, burqa wearing ghosts roam the street, and for the U.S., it actually has a better healthcare system than europeans.

[@alwy781]

@@yuvraj7214 It is better if you are fortunate. For the unfortunate, the systems sucks and only puts you on debt. Also another inescapable fact, some disease like Cancer, which is better to be diagnosed earlier, is indeed diagnosed earlier in European countries than US. Why? Because in the US, people don't want to go to the doctor for a health check-up (especially Middle-low wealth citizen) and waited untill the symptoms got severe, resulting in a late diagnosis, not to mention the following treatment is 2-4 times more expensive than in Europe. The US healthcare system is almost as an incoherent mess as some developing countries and you should really just copied Germany's healthcare system.

[@gaffalstudios3617]

@@yuvraj7214 go back to Atlanta, I'm so goddamn tired of theese "freedom loving" americans who think america rules the earth. Jesus Christ why is it last on every fucking poll exept for drug users per capita

[@anthonybird546]

If a public healthcare system was implemented state by state, it would be veeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry interesting to see how/if attitudes in Arizona and Florida about being large retirement communities would change.

[@jasonirwin4631]

I would just devolve in to a bunch of boomer retirees complaining about brown people destroying the US economy and that that's why their healthcare is so expensive.

[@LMB222]

I just watched it yesterday - a bunch of interviews with retirees on Medicaid - or is it Medicare for the older folks? In either case they were praising the system, to nobody's surprise.

[@SeruraRenge11]

@@LMB222 Older people use Medicare, Medicaid is for people beneath a certain income level. Medicaid is actually an amazing system if you have it and you can find a doctor that accepts it, but only because it's built on the backs of other people who can afford to maintain it through taxes. Medicare has problems, but generally most senior citizen are glad they have it.

[@gearsofMEAT]

They would just travel to the better states to leech off their systems and then go back to live in lower taxed states, and of course those who couldn't afford to do that would suffer.

[@asturias0267]

Most states already have a public healthcare system.

[@dalecooper9942]

FIRST TIME EVER I watch an honest video about public health system

[@martinhartecfc]

I agree with everything you say here and you do make some important points that people like Sanders often seem not to understand (and I admit that I was also ignorant regarding these points); however, the problem I have with this video is more in what you leave out (the vested interests in the advertising, pharmaceutical and insurance industries). I think you need to include that to give a balanced picture.

[@johnparks3447]

Your idea for the implementation of healthcare in the US is actually how we got it here in Canada. The Province of Saskatchewan introduced Universal Healthcare, other provinces followed, then the Federal Government mandated that provinces yet to adopt the system adopt it.

[@ItsYaBoi-ATA]

and as a saskatchewanian i would like to see it expand to encompass dental and pharmaceutical as well but i don't see that happening any time soon.

[@youngmeetro_2555]

nigga living in sasquatch town💀💀

[@jgbelmont]

Lame

[@astranix0198]

So, a peer pressure approach works.

[@simonnot8487]

"I WANT YOU TO BENCH PRESS" honestly sounds pretty American. I don't see why not.

[@crapwithanopinion2919]

tbh. Really the problem is the food here. There needs to be more regulation I feel like that's pretty fucking obvious. Trust me, I used to work at an ice cream place in the mall.

[@NuggetOG]

@@crapwithanopinion2919 from a video i watched a few months ago, they said that energy companies can lie about their caffeine amounts. HOW CAN THEY ALLOW THIS. this honestly looks like the usa is influenced to not update the laws. also why is there guns allowed? and no dont tell me because freedom.

[@crapwithanopinion2919]

@@NuggetOG the US is a fucking mess. We need a leader like teddy Roosevelt to abolish the monopolies like Amazon and Microsoft. And enact the green new deal. But we're not gonna get that anytime soon. As for guns we need to do what Australia has done and that heavily restrict the availability of firearms and treat them more like a car and less like a toy.

[@NuggetOG]

@@crapwithanopinion2919 i dont know that mouch about roosevelt but the gun thing, yeah. also monopolies are gay. and illegal and to clear thing up being gay is not illegal, karen/ any political correct group, its just a joke but monopolies are illegal, thats why governments are the only hing that allow monopolies

[@crapwithanopinion2919]

@@NuggetOG and our government is the special government that doesn't just let them exist. But pays them to exist.

[@andre.dionysian]

Positively surprised that a European citizen (or any non-American for that matter) was able to so fully understand and correctly analyse the American political landscape. Was skeptical going into the video, but you made a really great set of arguments. I agree with your conclusion and would go further to say that in fact this is one of the strengths of the American Federal system. But leveraging the immense authorities given to US states we could federally mandate that each find its own, unique solution and allow the voters of each respective state to choose which ever one they are most comfortable with.

[@bobon123]

It is worth noticing that while France spend 12% of their state budget on their great public healthcare system, including 6 months of paid maternity leave and paid sickness leave whenever you are sick, US spends 17% of their *TOTAL GDP* in Healthcare. It would be enough to pay in taxes less than half of what Americans pay today in Insurance to finance a public healthcare system like France. Btw, having lived in Europe for years, my least favorite is the Dutch one, my most favorite is the Spanish one - similar to the French one but much more human and less bureaucratic. Germany is also a very good system.

[@randomprotag9329]

they have the chainlinks that leads to set budget health care systems working. if america funded it to the same budget per person the metaphorical chain would break due to the other chainlinks being made out of wet paper.

[@rogerthomson9461]

I have been a Doctor in the UK since 1982 and this is the best summary of what has happened to the NHS I have heard

[@mikzsmp4552]

Thanks. Doctors are the lifeline of our country👍👍👍👍

[@neilpemberton5523]

And Nurses

[@drttgb4955]

@@mikzsmp4552 Imported doctors and nurses. The UK poaches other countries doctors for which they paid an arm and a leg to train. The remaining doctors then fleeces their patients.

[@123_maximeal]

shame its the best thing in this hell hole

[@TrogdorBurnin8or]

"Would we be willing to spend 12-15%"? We already spend 27% of the budget, federally, and many of us pay much more directly into our health insurance premiums, deductibles, copays, and coinsurances.

[@IshtarNike]

The interesting thing is most people don't know this number. If you repeat the 15% figure along with an absolute number (say 500 million) people will go, oh my god that sounds so expensive, we can't afford that. Messaging is everything. Until people become better at messaging and until the media actually hold people to account, it will be very difficult.

[@Kevin_TN]

What I was going to say. You could tell he didn’t really research that deep if he doesn’t know that. I think it’s closer to 18% though.

[@VoicedNat]

I live in Brazil, my father almost died of covid but got better and now only his sense of smell is lacking efficiency. But we paid nothing, he spent a month in the hospital and it costed us nothing. My cousin broke his arm in a skate fall, in the same day his arm was in a cast and my aunt paid nothing. My grandfather died receiving palliative care after years and years of treatment (there was nothing they could do anymore) and my family paid nothing. My aunt's friends come from US to Brazil everytime they need a check up or a more serious treatment. Yes, our SUS is shit and has to get better in a lot of things, however, there is SO MANY people that would have died if wasn't for it. SO MANY people would be in GENERATIONAL DEBT if it wasn't for our SUS (Universal Healthcare System) Yes, SUS is far from good, but it saved and continuous to save the lives of millions and millions of people, especially poor people, people that wouldn't be able to live if they were in the US.

[@jormungandr8936]

As an American I really like seeing outsiders perspective, and this video gave me some great insights that no American politician ever focuses on. The main thing here in the states anymore just seems to be fear mongering of the other side rather than trying to work together and make any meaningful progress anymore.

[@MCArt25]

They are fear mongering because that's the only surefire way to get people to turn out for elections.

[@travisspicer5514]

This idea is the very reason I never thought to be political. Then people started defunding the police and I realized there are people running and winning with some stupid ideas and I need to be aware, at least to a point.

[@nonarKitten]

This is kind of how Canada works as well -- Public Healthcare is mandated federally with guidelines on what the minimum to cover is, but it's entirely up to the provinces on how it's implemented. Provinces can cover more, but not least and leave the rest, like dental and cosmetic surgery to the private healthcare.

[@enlightened_orca]

Me an American: _watches video_ Me after video: *We've been tricked, we've been back stabbed, & we've been quite possibly bamboozled!*

[@jaywu4804]

It is kinda depressing to know more about this issue and realize that almost nothing works and the politicians aren't 100% wrong and we couldn't have done a better job because all the attempts will fail.

[@taxfraud1212]

@@jaywu4804 Your people is too invested in the "Yeah big corporation good" bullshit at the moment, until people start to open their eyes nothing will ever be able to be done to save the US

[@AmanirenaII]

@@taxfraud1212 Its true that most people here in the US are all for major corporations but more and more people are starting to see the true. The sad fact of the matter is that big businesses basically control politicians and thus the policies that the government makes by corporate lobbying. Brands like Coca-cola would never allow for restrictions to be placed on them. And if you can't believe this level of absurdity, look at the opioid epidemic in America and the unwillingness of the government to step in because of lobbying from pharmaceutical companies in the last couple of decades. Honestly this is all very depressing to think of. Universal health care will never exist in any State in America the way it is now and it's not just because of the general population's idiocy.

[@taxfraud1212]

@@AmanirenaII I agree, in the US there is no democracy, only plutocracy

[@neuxell]

ok so u wanta 50% tax rate for a public healthcare system to take care of our 50% obesity rate? man, you must be a big fan of free insulin, vitamin supplements, lipo suction, and inevitable surgeries and transplants... gotta create a golden safety net for that 50% obesity rate amirite... first put them on foodstamps so they get to buy nutrition-lacking high-sugar/sodium products and become malnourished................................... then give them free healthcare to deal with the side effects of malnourishment...................................................................................................................... all on the dime of the people who give a crap about themselves to stay healthy and be productive...........................................................................................................................areyoufuckingkiddingmewhatthefuckingiswrongwithyoupeoplehowdoyouthinkthisisagoodideapleasetellmeyourefuckingbeingsatiricalitssodisgusting

[@user-de8ue5cs6s]

public healthcare prioritizes saving the lives of human beings. the current american healthcare prioritizes making a profit off of the lives of human beings.

[@wishyrater]

and it becomes a reinforcing loop. You make money from people being in shit health, so high sugar, high fat, low health standard, low nutrition foods, alcohol, tobacco etc is wicked cheap and widespread

[@cxx23]

This is very true.

[@hikarihikari4501]

well, that is exactly why there’s always someone in US keep telling you public health care system is evil or communism, those companies surely won’t let anyone touch their cheese

[@pastagiovanni6527]

'murica. fuck yeah!

[@pastagiovanni6527]

@@hikarihikari4501 i t t a k e s o u r f r e e d o m a w a y

[@donaldcheezits438]

This was very interesting, this is the first time I've seen someone talk about this topic in this way on KZbin

[@TheFeldhamster]

Austrian here, we have since de-federalized (? is that a word?) our health insurance but since Austria is tiny and our states are super tiny, it should be a bit more efficient now. I'm pretty happy with and grateful for our healthcare, even though it's not perfect.

[@ishkanark6725]

It is now

[@normalisboring2831]

5:18 "it's less sweet" Oh boy here I am thinking coke is way too sweet as it is

[@Lilliathi]

Yeah, it's liquid sugar over there, no idea how they drink it.

[@Shorty15c4007]

Yeah as an American I went to Amsterdam and ordered a hamburger with fries and they somehow messed that up. Stale and unseasoned.

[@normalisboring2831]

@@Shorty15c4007 you just went to a bad resturant or didn't consider other cultures have different taste preferences

[@Shorty15c4007]

@@normalisboring2831 I tried different restaurants and the American dishes did not compare. One of the things I like to do when traveling to the other side of the pond is trying the McDonalds and experiencing the different menu items and sauces. I did go to a fancy restaurant and tried the carpaccio. OMG that was delicious! Different countries have different specialties. Amsterdam had great sweets and really the only food I enjoyed there was the foreign food. The middle eastern falafel or Asian fried rice dishes there were excellent. I think the dutch in terms of food are known for cold cut sandwiches which was pretty much subway lol.

[@peterb8904]

@@Lilliathi you will drink your American Coca-Cola and you will like your diabetes

[@MegaChickenfish]

Being perfectly honest as an American, I knew Europeans had public healthcare that had significant upsides over what we have in the states, but I never had such a clear, concise compare-contrast of the way different countries tackled it. That's a really important step so we can know not just how to approach it, but how *not to.*

[@tylerdurden3722]

The most important thing to remember is, nothing is ever free.

[@israel.s.garcia]

@@tylerdurden3722 no one even mentioned the word free lol

[@patricialongo5746]

Americans are smart. They've chosen what they do for real reasons.

[@dannylojkovic5205]

@@israel.s.garcia Americans always say “it’ll be free!” No it won’t. We’ll pay our taxes into that system and “making the rich pay” isn’t even the half of it. In fact, they’re going to be a small chunk. All of us will pay higher taxes. I have no problem with implementing functioning government SUBSIDIZED health care, but Americans need to stop lying to themselves about it being free. It’s not free like paying to habe fighter jets isn’t free, that is your tax money

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

​@@dannylojkovic5205 hear hear! I'm so tired of the performance arts. I'm hoping someday we'll be able to get down to brass tacks on at least some important issues.

[@hazelobrien1727]

A big problem with a regional American healthcare and broader social safety net would be the fact that some states do not have the resources to do such a thing. Sure large states could potentially implement effective healthcare systems but a state like Mississippi most likely could not to such a degree.

[@user-cd4bx6uq1y]

Now broadcast this on the national TV

[@kaibarclay774]

“You’re a burden on society” bloody ow 😂

[@kerwin1623]

Someone had to say it, it's the reality of it

[@dallascopp4798]

he's not wrong. It cost way more to treat an obese patient than a normal patient

[@st.mikolaj198]

@@dallascopp4798 yes, but he portrays it in a way that you could think that in europe overweight people are publicly frowned upon and everyone looks at you because "you are a burden to society"

[@maka8551]

@@st.mikolaj198 i think you made that image in your head

[@tommatt2901]

@@st.mikolaj198 I think u created that from out of nowhere but, based on your hypothetical if there was a public health care system in America that doesn’t care if you are fat then yes most Americans would look at u this way because u are the reason taxes are so high. In my opinion there would a body shaming epidemic imao