What Does the Bible REALLY Say About Same-Sex Relationships?

Is the word "homosexual" mistranslated in the Bible? Does the Bible have anything to say about same-sex relationships? Have Christians fought over same-sex relationships all because of a small mistranslation? In this clip, Frank addresses how to respond to these common questions.
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[@MO51MARRIED6yrAISHA]

The human mind is NEVER more creative than it is when justifying sin

[@ghostwhite1648]

AKA, when the serpent is allowed to use our tongue

[@katamas832]

Nah, it is never more creative when trying to come up with justifications for their unjustified position

[@Mr.kai1999]

If you wanna see creative justifying just bring up god telling people to kill a kid for picking up sticks on the wrong day or god himself killing millions of babies, mothers, brothers, and sisters with a flood. Also this is a god who’s all loving/merciful

[@ghostwhite1648]

@@Mr.kai1999 GOD works the good in all things. The temporal realm does not reveal the eternal glory we have in The Father through the Son! The Devil kills, destroys, rapes, and lies!

[@ghostwhite1648]

@@katamas832 You say this. Did you create the reality your senses perceive? You cannot even choose to conceive a child if you want to.

[@Namato360]

Hi Dr. Turek, I am the kid in the video, David. Thank you for answering my questions, this conversation and the comments, especially after studying it more myself, really shed light on the issue. I've come to realize that a lot of my progressive Christian friends have a lot of beliefs that directly contradict Christianity, and I've reached out to a lot of them, especially after the live stream got out after the sermon(I got a LOT of backlash from my friends lol.) Thank you again for this, you got me into Christian apologetics and now I'm getting more confident in them!

[@brandoninhofer6592]

Didn't Jesus also say after healing the paralysed man, "to stop sinning for something worse may happen if not?"

[@anthonyprince2095]

There’s nothing “progressive” about your sinning Christian ‘friends’ David. You’re clearly a thoughtful and confident young man and I wish you well on the path you’re on (one that I sincerely wish that I had taken at your age) God bless you

[@Jeremy-of7bx]

Nothing good will come of this, David. Your attempts to "correct" your friends is just going to come across as sanctimonious and condescending. My only hope is that you really research the bible throughly and with an open mind instead of just trying to force the bible to fit your beliefs (which is the primary goal of apologetics). Maybe then you will realize the truth, which is that the bible is a fairy tale book used to control humanity for 4000 years.

[@Namato360]

​@@Jeremy-of7bxHmmmmmmmmm, I wonder how many times I've heard this before 😂😂😂. Yeah no, a KZbin comment isn't gonna change my mind when I've been told this same statement my entire life, and after studying the Gospels, still believe

[@Namato360]

​@@anthonyprince2095Thank you. I agree that progressive Christianity is just the regression of truth, it's pretty illogical in my opinion. The reason I am on this path at such a young age is because I realize that without God, there's no objective purpose, value, morals, or beauty to life, and I refuse to live that way, especially after examining the overwhelming evidence for Christianity. I thank my Mom for taking me to this event, it's my first time going to an event like this, and I got to meet Dr. Turek, someone who also inspired me to get into apologetics. Since this event, I've branched off and am studying more and more. Pray for my journey please, and thank you.

[@festushaggen2563]

A "progressive Christian" is no kind of Christian because you have to change the word of God and call God a liar to be one. Might as well try to be a vegan carnivore.

[@Mr.kai1999]

Leviticus 20:13 “If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense“ Are you not also being progressive by not killing gays or at the very least making a law against it as god/the Bible says to do?

[@CornerstoneMinistry316]

Absolutely! "Progressive " Christians are not Christians at all!

[@festushaggen2563]

​@@Mr.kai1999No. The old testament law was for Israel thousands of years ago. Jesus came and fulfilled the law and brought the New Covenant to replace the old one.

[@Moist._Robot]

All Christian’s change what the bible says because it’s full of contradictions.

[@Moist._Robot]

@@festushaggen2563 You’re changing what the bible says.

[@Bad_Llama]

I think the thing that differentiates the Christian from a secular man looking for fire insurance is the Christian agrees with God that their sin is truly a sin. We might struggle against it daily or hourly but we don’t call it goodness.

[@mattr.1887]

Fire insurance? Why not just accept it and own up to it?

[@Napoleonthelesser-qi6cp]

I personally believe some intelligent creator exists, that seems like the most logical position to me, but why should people accept the biblical definition of "sin" and "God" as correct, and therefore authoritative?

[@thierry860]

@@Napoleonthelesser-qi6cp personal belief isn't fact.

[@Napoleonthelesser-qi6cp]

@@thierry860 I don't follow, who said it is?

[@hasone1848]

And the secular man looks at the concept of sin and realizes how full of BS sin and the bible are.

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

Jesus said you must be Born Again, for all those who think they're born that way. John 3:3🕊

[@terminusadquem6981]

“...think...”? you think being gay is just a matter of thinking it? if being gay was a choice, then so must be being straight ‘coz if you ‘choose’ to be gay, you’ll be stuck with being straight if straightness is not a choice. If straightness is a choice, at what point did you choose to be it?

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

@@terminusadquem6981 Everyone chooses to sin, everyone is born into sin. So yes think.

[@mattslater2603]

​@@NewCreationInChrist896you dodged the question Let's try again At what point did you choose to be straight?

[@thierry860]

Christians need to be born again because they are unable to grow up.

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

@@mattslater2603 I didn’t, everyone is born heterosexual. The fact is people desire to sin through temptation. Heterosexual people choose to sin as well, and straightness isn’t a sexuality. The question is, when did same sex desire originate? That is different based on the homosexual, and for them to individually answer, that’s personal between them and God. All sin desires are demonic, sin is from the devil’s temptation, which is why we need Jesus Christ. Homosexuals were either exposed to sex at a young age same sex or not, or molested, or today just influenced by the culture. Proverbs 3:5-6

[@sidwhiting665]

"I have a lot of friends who are progressive Christians..." . No, my friend... you have friends who are progressives. If you sit down and talk with someone who calls him/herslef a progressive Christian, you find that many/most do not believe in the following issues: . 1) The authority and inerrancy of Scripture 2) Original sin 3) The need for an atoning sacrifice. To them, "We're all just basically good people who are victims of socio-economic power struggles." 4) The divinity of Jesus... maybe simply see him as a good teacher. 5) The sole claim of Christianity as the way, the truth, and the life. Many see Jesus as one way among many. To them, there's also Allah, Buddha, "being spiritual",etc. 6) The Old Testament. Many of them reject the OT... and many of Paul's writings as well. 7) The holiness of God. They say, "Jesus loved everyone", but they neglect to mention he loved them by calling them to repentance. . So in summary, anyone who describes themselves as a "Progressive Christian" has a huge uphill battle to climb to prove that they are in fact Christians. Many are social activists who glom onto the name of Christianity but have no intention of following Christ. They use "love is love" as a catch all, then refuse to define what they mean by love. It basically means do whatever you want, whenever you want, with whomever you want, and celebrate diversity for diversity's sake rather than because the diversity is actually beneficial and God-honoring.

[@Mary_QQQ]

Bullseye 🎯

[@sids5002]

Anyone who believes in old religious nonsense in 2023, has an uphill battle.

[@georg7120]

Real Christians reject the satanic old testament.

[@StageWatcher]

@@sids5002 "Anyone who believes in old religious nonsense in 2023, has an uphill battle," says a person who likely believes his ancestor was a fish.

[@sids5002]

@@StageWatcher Depends how far you go back? Other apes recently, mammals earlier, and likely from single cell beings originally. That's what all the available evidence shows anyway. Why would I disregard all that for a guess?!

[@rpminc1974]

I have NEVER personally heard one time a Christian say they can sin or do whatever they want because they are saved by grace. i have only know Christians who have felt bad or guilty when they have fallen short of the glory of God

[@starspark9471]

Unfortunately, they (self-professing Christians who think they can do what they want) do exist and there are teachers who say exactly that as well. We have to test what we think, what we believe and what we hear against the Word of God because it is a light to our path.

[@pastorbri]

u should talk to more homophobic "christians"

[@thesignman704]

Anyone arguing for a lifestyle of sexual deviant is quite possibly already turned over to a reprobate mind.

[@mattr.1887]

What exactly do you mean by reprobate mind?

[@sids5002]

Judgemental Christian? Ironic. Your human interpretation of what's a reprobate seems relativist, which is identical to what you accuse atheists if doing. Ironic again. Basically, just be honest. If you don't like gay people, just say so and be prepared for the justified backlash. Hiding behind the words of some old books is utterly cowardly.

[@cnault3244]

Have you noticed the Bible never identifies the young naked man who was with Jesus on the night he was arrested?

[@asimpleanimator8241]

⁠@@sids5002some y’all be acting like there’s no chance that you can possibly die tomorrow or a week from now, and even if lived till 100 years of age, you’re gonna eventually see what happens after you die, and there’s way to much evidence of an immaterial world and a God for you to not be worried about what happens to you after death. I hope doing what you think is right in this life is worth it my friend

[@sids5002]

@@asimpleanimator8241 I'd sure appreciate it if you could show me some evidence please? Or a link to it? I've seen precisely zero so far.

[@trinahaifa2860]

Amen! I absolutely love it when Dr. Turek quotes scripture and the book of James IS MY FAVORITE. First, I love what James covers, and also, when you're reading, you can get a sense of a person's personality.

[@thierry860]

Christians have a personality ? Is it allowed ?

[@mbfrommb3699]

Most Christians don't understand James and it causes a lot of theological problems. Don't listen to Frank on theology his understanding is abysmal.

[@2F4R4W4Y]

short and simple. To me is the command when Jesus said after performing the miracle "look you've been saved, do not sin so another worse thing come your way".

[@mbfrommb3699]

@@2F4R4W4Y Could you provide the bible reference because Google can't find it. It suggests Luke 5:31-32 as the best guess but that doesn't fit.

[@rubber2023]

@jonathan Physical realm suffering is short term. Supernatural, eternal rewards in Heaven and relationship with Jesus far outweigh the physical bad.

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

Titus 2;13👑 “looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ”

[@nathanjonesmoore]

Nice job in adding different slides and pictures ! Very great addition !

[@cat-bg3rv]

This is soooo good Mr. Turek! 👍✝️

[@pastorbri]

whereas homophobia is really bad

[@dwolfe2907]

Those who practice righteousness are righteous indeed. We practice goodness with the power of God. We will fail, we will confess, and we will strive to do what is right. But our saving grace is in the blood of the Lamb.

[@code-cans]

@@stactionsmedia3318 well, your feelings literally do not matter in any way if you dont translate them into actions. as far as i understand christian faith is an act not a thought. you can think about healing somebody, but being there and talking with them is infinitely more powerful. also God is life ("I AM"). i think Gods will is to continue living, in whatever scale. one individually as well as humanity as a whole. and all this lgbtq.. stuff is directly "anti-life", because only a couple of natural healthy man and woman can continue life by partaking in creation itself. i hope this is more comprehensible 🙏

[@code-cans]

​ @stactionsmedia3318 alright i understand. you are right that he wasnt straight in the answer and i think that is because of his personal "quick defense mode" where he tries to find an answer asap. therefore he is a little tense and tries to cite the most related verses. he didnt answer completely (if at all ..sufficient?). My reaction to this question would be "yes it is a sin", but we are all fallen sinners, not one pure like Jesus. Gods main intention is peaceful good continuation and all-dimensional expansion. but he also has loving mercy and is not straight "black and white" in judgement whereby i believe there is a certain amount of "leeway" because the sin counter of us all would need to be x

[@dwolfe2907]

@@code-cans My 2 cents here brother. Being gay is no doubt sinful, and some are made and some are born . In the same way some have a weakness towards drinking, others theft , and many others- pride. Whether someone acts on it, or not ; we've all fallen short. So short in fact, we deserve nothing less than the cruel death upon the cross. Another thing I'd mention is how we all collectively nailed Jesus to that cross. We mocked him, chastised him, and not one of us can lift our heads from that utter shame and guilt. That is our greatest sin. So as the chief of sinners, as Barabbas, I cannot say to another sinner your sins are greater than mine. As I am the chief, the most wicked sinner. So when I look at an adulterer , I see myself. When I see a homosexual, A thief, a liar- the list goes on and on does it not? With that said, I'm not saying we should sin all the more that grace abounds, God forbid. But what I am saying is, Jesus saved us, called us, knew us from the foundation of the earth, and did not find it shameful to call us brothers. In this world there are the seeds of God, and the seeds of Satan. The way we know who is who is by those who have ears, and eyes. The sheep will hear the master's voice. They might come from a gang background, a homosexual background. But if they are God's elect they will hear, they will go through trials, they will be tested in the fire, and they will become sons of God. Born of both water and fire. Through the wilderness, bitten by the serpent, faith to look upon that bronze serpent on the cross, cross the Jordan river- dead to self. Born again into God's kingdom. Jesus as king. Those who are not of God, will harden their hearts, live in worship of themselves which ultimately comes from the Devil. They will continue to practice sin. They will succeed in that sin. And ultimate separated from God. So I don't judge too quick, because the wheat and the weeds grow together, and they look identical until its fully mature. The wheat will get heavy with burden, and humbly bow its head. The weed stands proud with no fruit, and gets pulled out.

[@code-cans]

@@dwolfe2907 great additions! i may seemed too "know it all" and judgy. "God will see them by the fruit they bear" although they (= we) are sinners and it in the end is all up to God to judge, who are we to judge our brethren if we ourselves are not free of sin. huge! amen brother 🙏

[@finaldaylight3804]

The second point his friends make is just silly and shows how ignorant they are. If i'm not mistaken, in Corinthians, it literally says that homosexuals will not enter heaven..it also lists other sins, not just homosexuality

[@cajo960]

That's mistranslated too

[@finaldaylight3804]

@@cajo960 proof?

[@cajo960]

@@finaldaylight3804 the correct translation is pedophile

[@Unique_Monk]

@@cajo960 Nope, they just didn’t use the word homosexuality but the act is crystal clear Some try to claim it’s about paedophilia - again, another failed attempt to justify sin

[@cajo960]

@@Unique_Monk you didn't provide any argument at all, it is clearly about pederasty

[@BenHunter-hz5xi]

I have a few questions about something you said around the 3 minute and 5 second mark that I’m sure so many of us have to be very concerned about even if it isn’t our sin, but the sin of so many others. I do agree with you and that we shouldn’t condone sin of any kind. It’s concerning Matthew 5:31-32 in the King James Version. My first question is are you saying anyone that has been married before is not welcome to attend or just cannot be a member of a church? My second question is would you say there is any hope for these people since even if they ask for forgiveness, they will continue to knowingly sin each time they share a bed with any spouse that isn’t their first? Thank you

[@shmroadtrips]

The Bible is very clear on this. To not notice its clarity, or worse, to weakly buck against it in a vain attempt to support sin, reveals something: a sad confusion. Sadder still, this confusion is often encouraged, celebrated, and championed in public institutions. Praise God that we know how this all ends!

[@Mavors1099]

The bible is very clear about many things, but nobody, not even you, takes those things seriously.

[@shmroadtrips]

I don't understand this comment. Could you explain?

[@rubber2023]

@@Mavors1099 Your post proves otherwise. Otherwise, you would not have used up seconds out of your day. You take them seriously to attack them. Also, please dont use the broad brush logical fallacy. 'no one' means ZERO out of 8 BILLION+ humans.

[@Mavors1099]

@@rubber2023 No. I don't take fairy tales seriously.

[@pastorbri]

the bible is clear that homophobia is a sin

[@psalms_for_the_church_to_sing]

Excellent explanation.

[@pastorbri]

here is a better one, homophobia is a sin

[@BosomBuddyCreations]

This is the BEST explanation I have heard about works vs grace. Thanks a bunch!

[@BosomBuddyCreations]

@@stactionsmedia3318 maybe you need to read my comment again. I never mentioned the gay thing. That isnt the part of the video I was referring to. And by the way, Jesus himself rarely directly answered a question but instead tried to get the person to THINK. Its actually a good teaching strategy as it teaches a person to understand rather than just blindly agree

[@Thyalwaysseek]

There is no works vs grace, a soul needs both to pass Judgement.

[@pastorbri]

heres a better one, homophobia is a sin

[@BiscuitBoyTN]

Good Stuff Frank

[@joserivera-yx2tp]

Thanks again Dr. Frank

[@ryanrockstarsessom768]

Thank you

[@thesignman704]

That type of "salvation" IS what the 3rd commandment is referring to - taking the Lord's name in vanity Is Not cursing, or saying bad words. Rather lying about your faith: claiming Christ but not living Christ.

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

There isn't just 1 thing that is prohibited under the 3rd Commandment. Dishonoring God in _any_ way, whether it be using profanity or misrepresenting God is a sin.

[@thinkingtoinfinity]

Brilliant response! 👏

[@thinkingtoinfinity]

@@stactionsmedia3318 - You're making a lot of vague claims here... could you please clarify what you mean? What words are "sleazy and slimy"? I did rewatch, and he answered the question directly, clarifying what behavior the terminology is referring to, and differentiating it from terminology that describes the inclination or urge to engage in that behavior. The question wasn't simply, "Is this a sin?", it was whether engaging in those behaviors is inconsistent with Christian salvation. I think Dr. Turek was wise to address behavior and inclinations as separate things, and point to Bible verses (the authority on Christian salvation) to anchor his response. I'm truly surprised that you don't see the logical flow of his response.

[@Brad90977]

@@thinkingtoinfinity: I think he's a bot cause he copies and pastes the exact same response all over this board.

[@cowel8734]

​@@stactionsmedia3318Naw you just seem to hate God since you keep posting this same nonsense. If you wanted to learn the Bible you'd just study it instead or trolling to start arguments over nonsense

[@pastorbri]

a better one is homophobia is a sin

[@gi169]

Thank you CE

[@edgarmorales4476]

Even though Christians are taught to Love as Jesus did, most Christians are often judgmental towards those who do not share the same beliefs or who are simply different - and most Christians often do not recognize the hypocritical nature of their judgments. In this way, the Ego (the guardian of individuality) has corrupted Christianity - and most Christians do not seem to recognize this or try to correct this. Instead, most Christians tend to fuel a sense of self-righteousness and superiority within themselves that too often leads to conflict with those who do not agree with them. That is not what Jesus taught! Jesus taught: Love your neighbor as yourself. No exceptions! Jesus did not say: Love your neighbor only if he or she is like you, or Love your neighbor only if he or she is Christian, or Love your neighbor only if he or she is heterosexual. Jesus taught that our neighbor is not different than us, that everyone is the same in the eyes of God, that everyone is God incarnate and that the same Kingdom of Heaven is within everyone. Jesus had no intention of creating a religion, and Jesus was not involved in creating Christianity - and yet, a religion was created in the name of Jesus. I just want to clarify this to those for whom the name of Jesus and Christianity, seem one and the same. Jesus knew this would happen! Jesus knew that his teachings would be misused and misunderstood. For that reason, Jesus has RETURNED - through the medium of the Christ Letters and A Course In Miracles, or through those who can communicate with the dead - to describe his life and his teachings over 2000 years ago, so he can rescue Christians from myths and fallacies too. But no Christian has the capacity to listen to Jesus because they have too great a rebellious spirit and ego-drive. So as you can see, Christians are enduring all the horrific force of their innate rebellious consciousness. This is NOT punishment from God - but a natural working out of the Law of Existence: what you carry in your mind and heart will eventually externalize in your body, life and environment. When you resist and rebel, life offers resistance to you in the fulfillment of your desires.

[@pastorbri]

thats because they are religious people and not christians.

[@edgarmorales4476]

Just as Jesus came in human body over 2000 years ago, to rescue the Jews from myths and fallacies, so have Jesus RETURNED through the medium of his original teachings (the Christ Letters, A Course In Miracles and A Course Of Love) distributed worldwide, to make it abundantly clear that the "Christian Religion" in no way reflects his true CHRIST message either as he taught it in Jerusalem - or at this present time when the original teachings of Jesus (the Christ Letters, A Course In Miracles and A Course Of Love) will arouse the fury and condemnation of "Christian" traditionalists. The Christian religion, as it stands at this time, is only a hodgepodge of the muddled thinking of the disciples' selective recollections and Paul's worthy homilies and other early writings. Much later, when the impact of Christianity lacked the visual effect of the gods and goddesses of the Romans, the Christian religion was adorned with "theatrical" but "expedient" nonsense to impress those whom the Ecclesiastical Empire of Rome desired to draw into their fold. This empire later imposed monetary burdens on the gullible people even more iniquitous than the taxes demanded by the secular Roman Empire on conquered nations. Even Caesar did not demand payment for souls to gain entrance to heaven! You may wonder why Jesus is so explicit in his rejection of "Judaism" and "Christianity." It is vital to the success of the distribution of the CHRIST MESSAGE of Jesus that people should fully understand the true nature of religions which held humankind in their grip until the 20th century. Therefore, until Christians do realize the mythical and fallacious foundations on which Christians have placed all their convictions, Christians will find it difficult to get rid of cherished beliefs. Please understand that when Jesus makes such statements, Jesus is referring to "Christian religion," to the "tenets of faith," to the "dogma and theology." Jesus is NOT referring to those great spiritual souls who have sought - and continue to seek God and Truth beyond the dogma and beliefs. Jesus knows Christians have received the inspiration of God into their minds and hearts but are stubbornly adherent to cherished beliefs. Christians are blocked from spiritual progress by religious beliefs and practices. But the time has come for Christians to get rid of cherished beliefs and grow in spiritual wisdom.

[@Namato360]

I GOT FEATURED IN A VIDEO? AND DIDN'T NOTICE?

[@v1e1r1g1e1]

Short answer: NO, the Bible - in the original Hebrew, Koine Greek or Aramaic - does NOT ''mistranslate'' or misrepresent same-sex marriage. It condemns the practice absolutely and unequivocally. Simple. Anyone who says otherwise is just plain wrong.

[@Mavors1099]

Correct. But nobody should care what an old book says about what's wrong or right in human sexual relationships..

[@rubber2023]

@@Mavors1099 nobody should? and why is that? you have nothing to base your claim on. God reveals His laws to us so that we may be guarded against bad. would you prefer man's ever changing ideas or God's unchanging ideas?

[@pastorbri]

is this what satan told u

[@JiraiyaSama86]

I would add that you can not even truly say you're repentant if you just decide to sin willy nilly. Because each time you decide to sin willy nilly, you don't know how much of yourself you're losing. You probably don't want Jesus by the end of that foolish "adventure." Even if you supposedly say that you love Him, your heart will give you away. The words don't line up. I suppose one way to describe H311 is that which you desire more than Jesus.

[@cnault3244]

Sin is defined as a transgression of a divine law. For the word sin to have any meaning, you first have to prove a deity exists. As for sinning, the Bible has 613 commandments in total. Among them are commandments to kill: -adulterers -homosexuals -people who worked on the sabbath -women who were not virgins on their wedding night -people who worship a different god -disobedient children Do you follow these commandments or do you disobey god?

[@JiraiyaSama86]

@@cnault3244 and what exactly do you mean by "prove" since that seems to be the word to throw around? And let's test if you really mean it.

[@cnault3244]

@@JiraiyaSama86 Do you believe a god exists? If your answer is yes, what is your best evidence for the existence of that god?

[@JiraiyaSama86]

@@cnault3244 we can either finish with what I asked for in my comment first, or just stop it right here. And when I say finish, be prepared for a thorough grilling. I'm just letting you know.

[@cnault3244]

@@JiraiyaSama86 Do you believe a god exists? If your answer is yes, what is your best evidence for the existence of that god?

[@Dalekzilla]

Also Leviticus 20:9 and Leviticus 20:10. Should we do videos on these? Haven't seen one yet.

[@pastorbri]

why when leviticus is a dead law, so God said.

[@rockzalt]

There is also a connection to "Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple, and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?" but I think it would take a chapter or even a book written by a Christian author to explain how that imagery is relative to immoral acts like gay sex. It's above my pay grade, that's for sure.

[@pastorbri]

what about homophobic acts, assume thats ok? And what is gay sex, is it different to bisexual sex?

[@rockzalt]

When a person's temple is hung on the cross beside Jesus, which thief will you be?@@pastorbri

[@pastorbri]

@@rockzalt The one who trusted in him, why which will u be?

[@rockzalt]

Your ahead of me. I haven't figured out who starts the conversation. @@pastorbri

[@BlissfulJourney10]

Whenever you don't want to give up a sin, you will make up all kinds of excuses and false assumptions. The verses in the word of God are very clear on this subject, and homosexuals know it. They are just in denial and rebelling against God, His holy word, and His divine order. Praying for them all to repent (Repent=Turning away from sinful lifestyles and start living the way God intended us to.) 🙏

[@logicalatheist1065]

Biblical sin means absolutely nothing

[@BlissfulJourney10]

@@logicalatheist1065 What or who made you come to that assumption?

[@logicalatheist1065]

@@BlissfulJourney10 the fact it's demonstrably false, has nothing to do with reality. I said it, no one "made me" Biblical sin only prohibits the believer, It means absolutely nothing to people outside the cult

[@logicalatheist1065]

@@BlissfulJourney10 if you need a book to tell you that murder is wrong then you have other issues

[@Napoleonthelesser-qi6cp]

Before talking about sin(wrongdoing), it's important to establish who determines what is sinful, I personally believe some intelligent creator exists, thats the most logical position I could get to, but what makes you confident in the idea that the God of the Bible(Yahweh) is the correct one? Why should the Bible's definition of "sin" and "God" be considered correct and therefore authoritative?

[@mustang607]

As critical thinking dies, the seven deadly sins turn into virtues.

[@pastorbri]

as all homophobics know

[@phoenixgamer1565]

People tend to forget that God explained the important revelation in scripture about a Christian that sins. We (Christians) can still sin and yes, we will still go to Heaven. We may get chastened while on earth if we continue in sin though. But, that has nothing to do with salvation. Salvation remains until we die. Hebrews 12:5-11 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons: “ My son, do not despise the chastening of the LORD, Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him; For whom the LORD loves He chastens, And scourges every son whom He receives.' If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons.

[@ChooseLife.YourLife]

Hi. I've been a christian for two years now. I stopped being an alcoholic and stopped loads of different sins with great difficulty. But pornography has got a hold of me. No matter how much i try i cant stop. I cried to God to help me so much. I asked God for forgiveness every time. I tried so many different tactica nothing works. Please help me

[@kingzamn45]

Why do you cry? Do you not know that weather you sin or not as long as you put your faith in Jesus Christ, ask God for forgiveness of your sins and forgive others who do bad to you, you will be saved and you are forgiven :) Don't let what Frank or all other half baked Christians say make you feel like you are unworthy of salvation just cos you sin and are struggling to give it up. Everyone sins brother. Read your Bible and understand the truth of salvation. Cos as Jesus said "the truth will set you free". And furthermore, trying to be holy is good. But don't do it to attain salvation, cos the devil will use that conviction of yours to make you feel hopeless every time you sin. Therefore always remember : works don't save, faith in Jesus does! Cos Jesus loves you.

[@TheFberry100]

Crying is ok. It shows that your behavior is bothering you. Continue to study about what God wants for you. We all have sin in our lives that we struggle against and no sin is worse than another. We try to grade and categorize sin when to God, sin is sin. It is what separates us from a holy God. What saves us is belief and baptism. Satan and people like the commenters below who are being used by satan, use guilt and rhetoric to cause doubt and disbelief. God is not some angry kid waiting for you to fail. He wants you to rely on Him and succeed! Pray. Pray. Then pray some more.

[@mrsxber1916]

Pray against the spirit of lust bro. It's spiritual warfare.

[@John3.36]

This is classic Lordship Salvation. So sad.

[@nicobones9608]

This doesn't get to the heart of the issue of the translation, though, which was the question at hand. Bottom line, if you look at the verse where it says, "A man shall not lie with another man," it uses the term "zakar," which means "male." It is given as part of a series of Commandments specifically given to men. There is no indication in the Hebrew that this refers to a boy. Now, later on, in the Epistles, the Greek gets a little more ambiguous, but the Hebrew in this part of Scripture is very clear. Regarding whether or not such people will go to Heaven, that is above our paygrade. I think we need to raise the question of, "Why is your morality solely based on whether or not you get Everlasting Life?" It may well be that the LORD will forgive homosexuality in someone who otherwise believes in the Son, that's not for us to decide. The question should be a matter of, "And what do you do to show y our gratitude for that salvation?"

[@JimRobinson-colors]

So the bible is okay with slavery - or is "slave" a translation error, as many claim. Seems convenient to take some things at face value and other things that contradict or are inconvenient as a translation problem. And given the fact that the only proof would be to compare the scripture to the original version, as all translations are assessed, that the argument proposed here is a bit strange.

[@jenisebrooks4308]

​@@JimRobinson-colorsthe Bible was okay with slavery but not with the treatment of humans.

[@pastorbri]

to'evah is idolotry so the crime was male same sex acts in idolotry.....anyway the old law is dead now.

[@_--Reaper--_]

_"As a man thinketh, so he is"_ - It's not just the indecent acts thats wrong, the sin originates in the mind first. If you start having these _feelings,_ you need to get that sorted out ASAP

[@_--Reaper--_]

@julianalacroix4623_"You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to depart into hell."_ - Matthews 5:27-30 Everything I quoted is what Jesus himself said so if you think it's _"hypocritical"_ then you need to take it to the Lord in prayer because they are not my words. So to answer your question, yes if you think about stealing it could lead to you becoming a thief. We are supposed to keep sinful thoughts far from our minds. _"More than anything you guard, protect your mind, for life flows from it. Have nothing to do with a corrupt mouth; keep devious lips far from you. Focus your eyes straight ahead; keep your gaze on what is in front of you. Watch your feet on the way, and all your paths will be secure."_ - Proverbs 4:23-27

[@pastorbri]

well its not homophobia thats wrong as such but acting on ur hate

[@_--Reaper--_]

@@pastorbri Who said anything about hate?

[@ajgibson1307]

Amen and God bless

[@claude-alexandretrudeau1830]

Let's compare Jesus to fire insurance. When you contract fire insurance, the insurance will cover for any loss due to fire. Does that mean you can willfully set fire to your house and valuables and receive the generous compensation? No! Every dingus knows that's insurance fraud. Then why do we treat Jesus this way? Why do we treat him like that and expect him to react differently from a fire insurance?

[@logicalatheist1065]

I treat Jesus as a fictional character. Like every other religious mythological character

[@winklelaltlanchhunga4313]

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination- theres nothing to be mistranslated in this one

[@JerGossett6]

If you read from a King James, it speaks truth... an abomination unto Death!! There are abominations that can be forgiven! But not queers!

[@JerGossett6]

@@cthulhucrews6602 Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

[@pastorbri]

so lesbians are ok then and we can murder rude kiddies still as well as over sexed unmarried folk as lev 20;9-10 says yes.....? AND we can ignore the NT where God says these old laws are all dead yes?

[@pastorbri]

@@JerGossett6 so you are pro murder? Are u into satanism?

[@timothypropst238]

At 1:36 Frank says that “having the feeling of heterosexual acts would be sinful…”. What about the passage where Jesus says if you look at a woman with lust you committed adulatory? Am I confusing the two?

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

If Turek is arguing that simply being in a heterosexual relationship is sin, then hes wrong. Having sex within the courting phase is what's sin. Being sexually attracted in a heterosexual context isn't wrong. God designed the genders to be attracted to each other. The part where it turns wrong is when ppl entertain sexual thoughts about someone else and they're not lawfully married.

[@thegothamite128]

I love Frank as a brother in Christ, but man, sometimes he says things in a way that makes me pause and ask “Could you say that again?”

[@cowel8734]

​@@stactionsmedia3318Yawn 🥱

[@kiraknight2951]

I think what he means to say is that we do not commit sin when we are tempted, it is when we give in to our temptations, the actions that we do. When someone is gay, God does not condemn him for feeling that way, it is when that person does what is immoral, like having sex with another man or a woman with another woman.

[@Samy-sx6kn]

Amen. No compromise on sin.

[@pastorbri]

yet homophobics try

[@Samy-sx6kn]

@@pastorbri What?

[@pastorbri]

@@Samy-sx6kn I said homophobics try

[@achildofthelight4725]

Sexual disire is not spiritual but an earthy passion of sexual tension.... may it be of any man *male or female* it is your own release that you need to overcome.

[@achildofthelight4725]

Read the text : God made man (mankind) male and female he made them in his image.... all are made in the image as one...... we have seperated the characteristics of a bodily appearance to distinctively divide the two types of Mankind.... now elohiem (mankind ) have chosen to say what is right or wrong!!! The ruler of this world is mankind, where as in the kingdom of God (univeral creation) let's us be with our own unique free will to expand and explore for the source to grow in understanding.

[@marcellofunhouse1234]

wrong the ruler of this world is the devil@@achildofthelight4725

[@pastorbri]

whereas homophobics need to overcome their passion to hate.

[@gethsemane-777]

It sadden me because I thought Frank Turek was always sharing the Good News, despite being part of Cross Examined. It finally took years until he reveals his Calvinist stance in this video. "Good works is evidence you are saved." isn't the Good News.

[@victorhartford3772]

The title is misleading and does not address the translation of the original languages into English. Furthermore it fails to mention what Paul said about burning in passion and celibacy being a gift. Please be honest and reconcile those verses with “If you love me follow my commandments”; and, make clear those commandments given specifically by Jesus.

[@thomasharp3246]

Wrong. We're saved by grace through faith not of works least any man should boast. The people saying Lord Lord are saying look at our works. Look at how good we are. Lost people can do good works. It's if you hear the gospel and you believe it that determines if you're saved. That's it. Saved people sin. If we're judged by sin we're all going to hell. Every single one of us. It's by faith I don't care how self righteous you are.

[@mattr.1887]

So your belief saves you?

[@timtherrien7843]

But those who are saved practice obedience because they are living out Jesus' instruction to obey his commandments. You cannot separate that out.

[@user-rv9hp6bo3y]

That grace is to allow you to have the power to stop living in sin. If all we have to do is passively believe and we can continue our lives like we want why does Jesus say in revelations 21:8 "But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars-they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” These sound like things if you continue doing you will risk eternal damnation right? So grace is not just some passive thing, grace gives us the power to walk away from sin. We are not saved by our righteousness yes, because we can never be righteous enough but there's a difference between living with our daily human weaknesses and imperfections and deliberately living in sin.

[@thomasharp3246]

So your stance is you're saved not by faith but practicing obedience? That contradicts the gospel.

[@thomasharp3246]

So you aren't living in sin? You don't sin? You have a works based salvation.

[@ArmenChakmakian]

“progressive Christian” seems almost like an oxymoron

[@joshuakohlmann9731]

Not really. If there had been no progress, Christianity wouldn't even exist. It was the new Jewish refinement of the traditional Mosaic (Pharisee) system, infused with new ideas from Zoroastrianism, Buddhism and the Greeks, that led to the new church with Christ as its head. 100% progressive.

[@Namato360]

I am the kid in the video, and you're kinda right

[@ArmenChakmakian]

@@Namato360 Thanks for asking the question. It was a great question!

[@jhde9067]

​@@Namato360if you truly are a Christian,born again and all bro,be prepared to lose a lot of friends. It's going to be painful,and feel unfair and unloving from God. I pray HE heals you, keeps you and appeases you.

[@pastorbri]

so does "homophobic christian"

[@atunaisatakau1428]

One of the purposes of the Law given to Moses to the Old Testament saints was that it was to be the way of life to a people already saved. Sexual immorality was a sin then and still is for the church saints. This applies to same sex relationships. It is what it is, because God declares it so. It is woven into the very fabric of our minds no matter how much we try and justify it.

[@BenHunter-hz5xi]

I’m asking a serious question that nobody will answer. I guess it’s something none of us want to think about. I think we all need to do what God wants us to do. I just don’t understand why other scriptures in the Bible that are also very clear are never talked or preached about. One example is Matthew 5:31-32 in the King James Version. 31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. How would there be hope for anyone who gets a divorce and even more so if that person should remarry since even if they ask for forgiveness, they will continue to knowingly sin each time they share a bed with any spouse that isn’t their first?

[@logicalatheist1065]

I wouldn't worry what bronze age men thought about

[@swordtraining]

You don't play in your poo! Sex is for marriage and procreation. Marriage is between a man and a woman. God is love and if they knew Him they would love how He designed them to be!

[@katamas832]

"You don't play in your poo" Tell that to married men and women 🤷‍♂️

[@logicalatheist1065]

Sounds like your god is a bigot, which is the opposite of love... Your god isn't worthy of my worship

[@Ser_Jerry]

​@@katamas832it goes for married men and women too.

[@katamas832]

@@Ser_Jerry Yet strangely they always tell it to homosexuals

[@swordtraining]

@@katamas832 speak for yourself. Not everyone is a pervert.

[@daveconner9520]

Now wait Frank. You can't say that. Jesus said if a man LOOKS on a woman in lust he has sinned. There is no act in that, but a thought.

[@PrzybyszzMatplanety]

He can. Because act doesn't mean physical action. A movement of mind and will is an act. Demons rebelled not by physical action, they have no bodies at all - they rebelled by thought and act of will. A sinful thought actively cherished and indulged is an act.

[@JimRobinson-colors]

You can't debate the translation dispute from that point, the original claim is in the bible - so to argue the translation is accurate, you need the original manuscripts to compare to. The claim is the original text - not a critique of possible mis-translations. You also need to know that a lot of scholars use the translation differences when something is off in the bible. If you accept that slavery in Exodus 21 and Leviticus 25:44-46 is moistranslated when people point out that God is in support of Slavery, then you might want to consider that argument that something may have been lost in translation. Including what is be said here. You can't have your cake and eat it to. It's either all literally correct or it isn't.

[@friendofjesus1680]

thanks

[@mccalltrader]

It’s sinful to have a heart that desires after the same gender..regardless if you act on it or not

[@JerGossett6]

Exactly... his response was off base!! It's more then just the "act"

[@albaraka7519]

Good to know you are intolerant.

[@Mavors1099]

Can someone control the desires of the heart?

[@pastorbri]

its sinful to have a heart that feeds on hate and bigotry.....regardless if you act on it or not

[@pastorbri]

the act of homophobia yes@@JerGossett6

[@ronbusby3335]

Yes, The Lord says it is 100% a sin.

[@logicalatheist1065]

Your "lord" doesn't matter

[@ronbusby3335]

@@logicalatheist1065 The Bible makes it perfectly clear that there is only ONE ‘Lord’ and His Name is Jesus, and whether you receive Him or reject Him, He will ALWAYS matter!!!

[@ronbusby3335]

@@logicalatheist1065 - please understand that although He may not matter to “you” at the moment, you DO matter to Him! He died for your sins too!

[@pastorbri]

yes homophobia is a sin

[@pastorbri]

and Jesus hates homophobia@@ronbusby3335

[@keeverw12]

I love Frank, always listen to his apologetic videos. However, no sin is unforgivable. If sin didn't keep you from being saved then it cannot take it away. I know this is a principle not a practical application. But I have been saved all my life, and sometimes I sin. Sometimes I even justify my sin and say there's nothing wrong with it. But I always repent eventually. My sin isn't homosexuality. It's something else. But if it were, it would be no different. The prodigal son was justifying his sin for a long time. But when he repented the father took him back. What if he had died prior to repenting? Would he not still have been his father's son?

[@echoechoecho7142]

He would not have returned because he would have still been in sin. That's the whole point. So yes, he would have gone to hell. Living in sin is doom, and cheap grace never works, the cost for Jesus was too high for people to slide by on greasy grace.

[@kingzamn45]

While what you said is true, I just wanna point out that repentance is not simply a prayer for forgiveness but more a mindset.. if you accept your sins as sins and feel remorse, then that in itself is repenting. Mix that in with forgiving others who do bad to you, you will then be forgiven and be saved irregardless of weather you literally prayed for forgiveness or not before your death :)

[@pastorbri]

homophobia is unforgivable as most never repent

[@keeverw12]

@@pastorbri That was a simple answer to a complex question. I don't think you really considered my prodigal son analogy. I'm not worried about dying having not repented of whatever sin I might have committed the day before I died. Because I am an adopted son of God and nothing can take that away. I have an adopted child and she can never stop being my daughter no matter how bad she might screw up.

[@jenisebrooks4308]

I want to know why kjv does not have homosexuality? Abusers of themselves sound way different than a loving relationship.

[@user-if5yb4ky4m]

The real question is "What does the Bible say about slavery?" It says do it

[@logicalatheist1065]

And gives you instructions on how to treat said slaves.

[@JesusIsKing844]

Where? Also it’s talking about paid slavery, also known as willing slavery.

[@JesusIsKing844]

@@logicalatheist1065that’s willing slavery, not forced slavery

[@user-if5yb4ky4m]

​@@JesusIsKing844 First of all, why did you ask where but still give an answer? But anyway: Exodus 21 Leviticus 25:44-46

[@logicalatheist1065]

@@JesusIsKing844 Owning another human being no matter what the reason is wrong, that's the point.

[@TheMassdaddy]

The Bible is Truth.

[@logicalatheist1065]

*far from the truth. Fiction can never be labeled as Truth

[@Mavors1099]

No, it's not.

[@mrsxber1916]

Amen

[@mrsxber1916]

​@@logicalatheist1065Give Jesus a chance bro

[@friisteching3433]

​@@mrsxber1916should one abandon logic to give Jesus a chance?

[@MFaith777]

If moral perfection can’t get us saved then moral imperfection can’t keep us saved. I know plenty of unsaved people who do “good works” according to the world. That CAN’T be your proof of salvation. Your proof of salvation is WHO you are putting your trust in to save you. Just because the sin you struggle with in the flesh is different than the sins somebody else struggles with doesn’t mean you’re saved and they’re not. We can ONLY have confidence is salvation if we’re looking at Christ’s finished work and not our own. With this being said, God will not be mocked. When a born again Christian is falling into sin, God will deal with it as any good Father does. Whether that’s discipline or chastisement, there are consequences on earth and loss of reward in heaven for sin for a believer. But our salvation is NOT based on how good we live. Jesus paid for it all. IT IS FINISHED. Once and for all. When Jesus said that He never knew you to people who were claiming to do all these things in God’s name and they weren’t truly saved, is referring to people putting their trust in THEIR WORKS. “We did this, we did that, in your name, etc” They weren’t trusting Christ. They were trusting their own works. Christ NEVER KNEW THEM. They weren’t saved to begin with. That is not referring to someone who fell into sin after being saved. Once saved, born of the spirit, you are a new creature and can’t be unsaved or unborn. We struggle with our flesh daily. The spirit doesn’t sin, but the flesh will battle the spirit until we are made perfect at death.

[@JoeKawano]

3:00 The only problem with this* and that is that it requires every single saved person in the congregation to be able to be confronted on every single thing they are doing that is wrong. . . And admit *that* it is wrong immediately -or else be cast out. I don’t think any of us even know one such person, let alone the entirety of all congregations everywhere. Now maybe this is why Christians get together and gloss over so many failings and sins-so they can keep these failings from becoming “known sins.” “*There’s only one person who’s not welcome… someone who claims to be a Christian and says that known sin isn’t really sin.”

[@JoeKawano]

I am sure there’s a ton of stuff where, if you said “Frank! What you’re doing is wrong!” he’d say “No, it’s not! [Justify-Justify-Justify]!” Expel him! C’mon.

[@logicalatheist1065]

Doesn't matter what the Bible says about that in reality.

[@TheBarbarian777]

Of course it does! God is the one who sets the standards of what is moral and immoral. When we are or will stand before him, his Word will already convict us of what is right and wrong. You should know that killing is wrong because God has said so in the ten commandments, right? Just like stealing, adultery and dishonoring your parents and so on. He sets the the standards over what is right and wrong, not man. Man just has to obey.

[@logicalatheist1065]

@@TheBarbarian777 the character god has never been demonstrated to exist, so you just have the word of man. The bible only prohibits the believer, it means absolutely nothing to people outside your cult / religion

[@logicalatheist1065]

@@TheBarbarian777 wrong, man does not have to obey the bible.

[@logicalatheist1065]

@@TheBarbarian777 I know killing is wrong without the bible, I would never have to need the bible to know killing is wrong. Bible is a very low standard of morality

[@logicalatheist1065]

@@TheBarbarian777 I know that owning another human being is wrong, guess that makes me better than the god of the bible

[@schwann145]

Frank is such a damn hypocrite here... Firstly, "I don't care what the actual translation is, I know better, believe me," is *shockingly* arrogant of a position to take! Secondly, Frank has spent *years* arguing against the necessity of works for salvation! Years! It's his primary argument against the Catholics! But here, specifically for homosexuality, suddenly works are important? Give me a damn break!

[@TheRealTrucido]

You shall not lie with a man, as with a woman. That is detestable. וְאֶת־זָכָר לֹא תִשְׁכַּב מִשְׁכְּבֵי אִשָּׁה תּוֹעֵבָה הִוא

[@michaelplauche9901]

He has a PH.D in theology, I'd rather take his opinion and quotes in the bible to say homosexuality is wrong

[@schwann145]

@@michaelplauche9901 1) From where? An accredited university or a Christian diploma mill? 2) Theology is not History or Philology. Theology doesn't give him access to the original text or an understanding of the dead Greek and/or Aramaic.

[@michaelplauche9901]

@@schwann145 he said from a university in one of his past videos. It also says Dr. next to his name on the PowerPoint. I’d rather believe a 2,000+ year old book then believe a stereotypical atheist who is in his 20’s or 30’s 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️, just saying

[@mattslater2603]

​@@michaelplauche9901That is horrible reasoning. Genetic fallacy ftw

[@Canukhed]

Having fire insurance still does not save a person from accountabilities for their actions if they purposely start a fire.

[@pastorbri]

good one for homophobics to think on

[@lt.spears1889]

Who can completely keep Christs commandments? I’m not saying go out and sin, I agree with Paul, what I am saying is this, my hearts desire is to obey all of Christs commands but in reality as Paul said we all stumble in many things, but we press on getting up falling down, growing, however slowly that might be, but I’m never compelled to obey other than being compelled by Gods love for me, not cause of his wrath being poured out on me, that’s not a easy yoke nor a light burden

[@pastorbri]

homophobics will never try to get close to Gods standards

[@tTtt-ho3tq]

This begs the question. You shall not worship anybody nor anything other than him. That's the first one, sin? So how do we legislate that with the law of the land? No freedom of religion? How do we punish apostasy? Fine? Jail them? Death? Copy Islam? What do we do?

[@NOTW777]

I don't believe the orientation is unequal to sin either. It is akin to lusting with the heart, and bearing sinful desire and thoughts. James 1 speaks of sin being conceived in the mind, before the action. Therefore one could be jealous without acting on it, a murderer without acting on it, an adulterer without acting on it, a pedophile,homosexual, or sexually immoral without acting on it. Morality is not contingent on action, but on the premeditations that precede the actions.

[@liftingwords-vr9nq]

Not to justify sin, but after Paul talks about all the abhorrent behavior in Roman's 1, he explains in Roman's 2 that unless we are perfect we are not to judge or condemn those behaviors. People love to quote the end of Romans 1, but don't want to turn the page and read the beginning of Romans 2.

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

You're incredibly wrong. Paul is preaching against religious hypocrisy, which is evident in Rom. 2:3 where he says "And do you think this, O man, _you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same_ , that you will escape the judgment of God?". A great example is Sunday keeping denominations trying to accuse someone of rejecting biblical authority when they consistently reject everything in the Law and the Prophets.

[@HG-kb2qb]

We as christians have a right to judge people on their sins but in a loving, caring way. If we saw a mother harming her child, we would react and judge her on those actions but in a way that helps her to see the action as wrong and hopefully lead her down a better path. It is our job to hold christians accountable but not judge them in the way God will judge us in the end.

[@pastorbri]

well homophobics will always justify their sin

[@cowel8734]

Its crazy how hateful ppl are becoming of God. I've learned that atheists and others will _say_ that God isn't real, but their anger towards him shows that they really do believe and choose to deny it. You'll notice when they tell you they don't believe that they are always angry, proud, and unhappy and they feel a need to mock and be hateful to believers because its the closest they can get to being nasty to God. They are very proud and childish and its usually better to not debate or argue with them because they don't want to believe or admit it. Almost EVERY single debate Ive had was them telling me I have to prove God while they mock and will act like they don't get it because all they wanted was for you to say something so they could attack it. Now I just shake the dust off of my feet and let it go

[@Mavors1099]

If they do believe in your god, then they're not atheists.. duh..

[@logicalatheist1065]

It's really tough to hate something with no evidence of existing. Hate is a strong word...

[@katamas832]

Atheists feel no anger toward God. At best toward Christians, but not toward God. You are generalizing people based on Atheist activist engaging with Christians dude.

[@rubber2023]

@@logicalatheist1065 why is it " really tough to hate something with no evidence of existing"? besides, theres tons of evidence for God. you just stick your athiestic minds in the sand to hide from the evidence.

[@logicalatheist1065]

@@rubber2023 no theist can support their claims of gods

[@overhaul1531]

3:30 ooooo for a long time i was asking wait so faith without works is dead? But the bible says that work does not save yiu its by grace so i asked myself then what arw works for then? But oooo okay i get it now when yiu are saved doing good works is the result of being saved giving back to the homeless giving back to the hungry sharing yiur faith all of these good works are a result of being saved oooo okay i get it now it makes alot more sense now.

[@ifeelfine72]

Turek is such a charlatan.

[@steveempire4625]

If keeping the commandments is proof of being saved rather than the process of being saved, no one is saved, not one. Everyone breaks the commandments here and there. And when it becomes obvious toward the end of one's life, that means they were never saved, to begin with, a wasted life. Either that or you lower your standards as to what breaking a commandment is to a ridiculous level.

[@Lauren-vd4qe]

HINT: 1 Cor 5:11 we are NOT to keep company with a person who calls himself a brother (a christian) and continually commits fornication, drunkard, swindler, etc...with such a person do NOT even EAT. so we CANNOT have friends that do this, if u find OUT your so called christian friend is doing this, u must CEASE your association with them.

[@pastorbri]

well who wants to be friends with a homophobic?

[@TerryBradstreet]

Excommunication is not re-damnation. Humans are commanded to expel those from the congregation who break God’s commandments, but Man does not have the power to take away what God gave. The kingdom of God is larger than the congregations of Man.

[@piijay14]

The Difference between a Righteous persin and an Unrighteous person is..Thr Righteous person will sin and feel guilt and sorry for their actions while the Unrighteous will try and justify their actions!! Just as the two men whom were crucified along with Christ one to the left, one to the right.

[@supersilverhazeroker]

uhh did you forget this: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. in reference to 1:33

[@Aboard_and_Abroad]

yes its right beside "thou shalt no spank"

[@pastorbri]

Note he only mentions hetero lust as if Jesus even knew heterosexuals were the worst for lust than LGBT folk were.

[@Limosethe]

Isn't it hypocrisy to tell a Unitarian, or someone of the likes, that they cannot take liberties when it comes to interpreting the New Testament, while you take liberties when interpreting Genesis? You might also want to look up special pleading too.

[@soldierharam144]

What commandments do Christians keep?

[@pastorbri]

Jesus only gave us 2 laws

[@Riverrage_03]

I think your mistaken the man Paul said was proud! So the difference between someone who sins and say lord lord forgive me! To hey I’m doing this and it’s fine because I’m cleaned! If that was the case God would not shed his blood, God would said oh love me and you will sin no more because you love me! But he knows us! Someone who repents has conviction is not proud feels ashamed has the holy spirt troubled And remorseful is saved

[@Wunder_Dog]

He didn't cover the translation part. If the one translation is "Man should not sleep with Boy" vs "Man should not sleep with Man" are totally different things. His argument was they need to provide the evidence and they did and he didn't cover the argument but deflected to something else. So if you repent on your deathbed then it means nothing? Or if you know nothing about the bible or Jesus you can't hang with God in Heaven?

[@michael75884]

ignorance isn't an excuse God accepts so no the ignorant won't go to heaven too much information that proves the existence of God and that Jesus is real even with science for people to foolishly deny His existence and too much information in this world to somehow be ignorant to it all your whole entire life you have a chance at some point to see the scriptures or demand God prove Himself to be real to you even several reasons why God is justified to not accept ignorance as an excuse especially if the ignorance is because of parents not letting there kids know about God Jesus Christ that is deliberate ignorance then even it not kids it is someone's fault still

[@michael75884]

@@stactionsmedia3318 that is exactly what false prophets do along with telling the truth only 50% of time and then sprinkling in there lies in the mix to deceive people with there nonsense

[@kingzamn45]

1st off, Frank's explanation is wrongs! 2nd, homosexuality is a sin.. forget about the translation issue because even if it's man or boy, it does not matter cos theologically a man cannot have a husband or be a wife cos a mans role is different compared to a woman's. Anyone who has read the Bible knows this. However all sins are forgiven if we repent for em and ask God for forgiveness as long as we too forgive others who do bad to us. The reason for this is cos this is the laws of Jesus and by doing this we acknowledge him as the Messiah and therefore that is why righteousness is granted to us. This is what is commonly described as "Salvation through faith". And this practice is done or can be done by non Christians even cos we all feel sympathy, empathy, guilt and remorse, etc. And that is why the Bible even says it is not the person who knows the law but those who do the law will be the ones justified in the final judgement. Which is then the answer to your final question as well..even a non Christian can attain salvation. And thereby also is the reason why Frank's explanation is so off point and wrong in this video and even un-biblical.

[@michael75884]

@@kingzamn45 Jesus taught and preached holiness,repentance,works and obedience not a grace gospel and you forget to mention the fact that there are 3 unforgivable sins the 3 unforgivable sins are 1. blasphemy of the Holy Spirit 2. taking the mark of the beast 3. and suicide the fact you think a none christian can obtain salvation shows you're ignorance a unbeliever can't obtain salvation only those who believe in and love Jesus and only those who actually know God and obey Jesus and obey Jesus's gospel will have any salvation at all not by faith alone Jesus taught and preached holiness,repentance,works and obedience not a grace gospel Jesus never taught a grace gospel and Jesus never preached a grace gospel so for ya'll who have put you're faith and belief in a grace gospel ya'll are spiritually blind deceived ignorant fools because a grace gospel is NOT what the real Jesus Christ taught and preached pay attention to Jesus's gospel the book of acts,the book of thomas,mathew,mark,luke and john Jesus never taught a grace gospel and for a fact Jesus taught and preached many other things other than john 3:16, john 3:16 isn't Jesus's only teaching and john 3:16 also isn't Jesus's only command,commandment most of you believers are in dire need of prayer/praying for yourselves and to actually read the bible for yourselves especially before it is too late it is written in the bible it says quite clearly that without Holiness no one will see the Lord and the Lord is obviously God Jesus Christ Himself and only Him 2 thessalonians 1:8-10 and hebrews 10:26-27 and titus 1:16 and james 2:15-25 and these bible verses are quite clear on the matter after all too so yeah according to Jesus Christ Himself and what is written in the bible sinners and even sinning believers they go to hell not heaven ya'll believe satan's lies not Jesus's truth gospel if you believe yourselves to somehow be saved to heaven by belief alone just simply by going by john 3:16 and that's it john 3:16 isn't the only thing that Jesus taught and preached and john 3:16 isn't Jesus's only command, commandment but if you believe yourselves to be saved by belief alone just simply by going by john 3:16 and that's it you are applying even indirectly that ya'll are saying with a lying mouth that Jesus only has 1 command and commandment and ya'll claim with a lying mouth that Jesus only taught and preached 1 thing only a fool would think like that but of course most of you self proclaimed christians do think like that though smh most of you so called christians and most of you believers are liars. and all liars will perish in hell according to what is written in the bible revelations 21:8. 1 corinthians 6:9-11 so yeah there are many so called christians and so called believers that are in hell and that go to hell believing in lies like that easy grace false gospel that is unbiblical and that easy grace false gospel is also the complete opposite of what the real Jesus Christ actually taught and preached and that easy grace false gospel it falsely claims us to be once saved always saved and it falsely claims us to be saved by belief alone even as a sinner while remaining in sins that is all satan's lies, Jesus Christ taught none of that false garbage most of you self proclaimed christian believers ya'll believe in satan's lies with that doomable unbiblical heresy that is the easy grace gospel smh stupidity and ignorance is some of the many reasons why most of you believers go to hell for a fact ya'll had better pray more or actually pray to begin with and read the bible for yourselves or you will for a fact only have yourself to blame when you perish in hell not if but when that easy grace gospel is unbiblical doomable heresy it teaches things that Jesus did NOT teach read the gospel of Jesus's for yourselves the book of acts,the book of thomas, mathew,mark,luke and john and pray more or pray to begin with especially for truth and help from Jesus Himself that easy grace false grace teaches and falsely claims that people are once saved always saved and that people are somehow saved by belief alone even as a sinner while remaining in sins that isn't what Jesus Christ taught and preached though that easy grace false gospel is in direct opposition of Jesus's gospel and Jesus Himself most of you self proclaimed christians and most of you believers had better realize that before ya'll perish in hell

[@Wunder_Dog]

@@kingzamn45 I appreciate you taking the time for your explanation. Out of curiosity and because Frank mentions him a lot in talking about morals being objective. Is it possible for Hitler to be in Heaven? Or these serial killers that convert in prison? And if that is possible it opens a lot of questions about morals and sin for me.

[@newcreationinchrist1423]

Amen CE 🙂🙏✝️ the bible is clear

[@logicalatheist1065]

That's why there's hundreds of denominations of Christianity?

[@rubber2023]

@@logicalatheist1065 these denominations appear because humans are sinners. therefore, they wanna entertain their unGodly desires by perverting the Gospel. Jesus wants us to be Born Again, not religious. do you see ANY other belief with so many 'doppelgangers'? that should be a hint Christ-following Christianity is true. theres many denominations, but only Jesus will get you to Heaven. denominations have additional doctrines or cut out parts of the Bible or both. a terrible fate awaits those who alter God's Words. however, they can be saved IF they repent and stop doing the sin.

[@JesusIsKing844]

@@logicalatheist1065that all follow the same core beliefs. The little things are clear but people misinterpret them because they don’t like how it tells them they can’t do something they like

[@logicalatheist1065]

@@JesusIsKing844 so this god of yours cant make a proper book?

[@JesusIsKing844]

@@logicalatheist1065 He can and He did. Humans are human though and don’t understand Him

[@rbm6184]

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith; neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things; for in all these the nations are defiled, which I cast out before you. And the land is defiled; therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants." - Leviticus 18: 22-25 "Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." - Jude 7 There is no mistranslating these passages except by those that don't want to accept it and defy it.

[@ronkebarber6238]

The beginning of sin, the mystery of iniquity began in Eden, Genesis 4:8-15-24. (Actually it began with Lucifer, but since he would never receive forgiveness, God began to impute His righteosness as soon as man sinned, and made a way out for him by the blood of the sinless Lamb slain before the foundation of the world, but that lives, sitted on the throne of God in the heavenly places. Ezekiel 28:16, and promptly judged verses 17-19, John 16:11, while man got a 1000 years deferred punishment, which was paid for by the sinless blood of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, and the complete man, on the cross of Calvary. ) This sin couldn't readily be judged simply because there was no preceding law about being one's brother's keeper that was broken. (Thus, the whole system was destroyed by the flood, and the laws started with that Genesis 9:5-6, until finally judged and finished on the cross John 19:30) And in verse 15, a precedent was laid down for the time it would take to judge sin, 70x7 or 490 years. That generation was wiped out by the flood, but the precept remained: sin shall be avenged seventy and seven fold. (Matthew 18:21-23). This was the standard by which Israel also judged, as they also had to spend 70 sabbath years ( or 70x7= 490 years), in exile, outside of the promised land. When it was the 69th week year Daniel prayed to God, and fasted to remind Him of the imminent due date of the return of God's people to their promised land; but the sin of the Amorite was not yet full, Genesis 15:16, also, Israel was still in rebellion towards God, and the land cannot sustain rebellion- it was Holy! So, the Messiah had to come and make a way for grace and justification, and righteousness of God to be imputed, so Israel can get back their monarchy, through the house of David, and back to the kingdom of God, by grace through faith in Christ Jesus, as the Son of God, and the Son of man -the promised Son of David, the king of Israel to order His Kingdom Isaiah 9:6; who would ascend His throne as God had promised him. Romans 1:3; Acts 2:30, and come to bring them back to God, Jeremiah 16:16a; Luke 19:10; Matthew 10:5. Instead, they rejected and killed Him. Thus, from then onwards, the way to God was opened to whosoever would come to Him by grace through the shedding of His blood, by grace through faith in His sacrificial death, burial and resurrection. They were given the adoption of sons and daughters into the kingdom, which hitherto, they were not permitted Ephesians 2:13; John 1:11-14, becoming heirs and joint heirs of God and the Abrahamic covenanted promises an blessing (Genesis 25:6- the representatives of his other children by Hagar and Keturah, the Kings of the East, could now access and partake of the blessing, and they showed their allegiance and faith, by worshipping Jesus Christ, as a Child!) Jesus Christ gave His life for all who would simply believe in Him as Lord and Savior, in order to keep them from the wrath of God that will be unleashed upon the Amorite, until the end. Isaiah 63:18; Daniel 8:13; Zechariah 12:3; Luke 21:24; Revelation 11:2. And eventually, they will be rescued at the second coming of Christ Luke 21:13; Zechariah 14. He finished the work of salvation of the soul of man John 19:30 and this continues the "acceptable year of the Lord" which began as He took the sealed book of Daniel, 12:4, from God, as the Lamb of God, who alone is Worthy, and opened the seals Revelation 5, and fulfilled the first of the three part of Isaiah 61:2, in Luke 4:16-21, and He SHUT it again. This will run through this dispensation of preaching of the gospel of grace, (which ended the preaching of the gospel of the kingdom, which ended with the stoning of Stephen) by faith in the sacrificial death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and He will return to gather His saints from the world, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15; and present them faultless before the presence of God the Father, with exceeding joy, Jude 24; with victory over sin, devil, death, hell and eternal damnation in the lake of fire and brimstone Isaiah 66:24. The second dispensation is nearly upon us, at this time Isaiah 63:4, which will usher in the tribulation period when the 70th and last year will be ushered in to finish all transgressions! Daniel 9:24. ( As the Messiah has become the sacrifice for sin, and was dead, buried and rose again from the dead! His shed blood sprinkled on the heavenly mercy seat for propitiation for sins for all who would go to God by and through Him, simply by faith! Ephesians 2:8). Then, the Lord will return the second time, complete with His body, as a new Creature resting upon the Mount of Olives Zechariah 14, to make a way of escape for the remnants of Israel Matthew 24:31. Then the battle of armageddon will ensue, and it will end up in total obliteration of this earth. Isaiah 24; Joel chapters 2 and 3, Jeremiah chapters 1-11...; 1 Peter 3 etc. This is the fullness and end, and judgment of the sin of the Amorite! Matthew 18:21-22; Psalm 75:8; 73:3-17. Then the new heaven and earth will be created after the conclusion of the millennium- to mark the expiration date of sin and death, like it was back in Eden. Now man will live out the 1000 year curse of death Isaiah 65, (Genesis 5). Then history will repeat itself when everything reaches full circle- the serpent will be released once again, Revelation 20:1-6, to tempt man as he did with Adam and Eve, those who follow him will get totally judged and cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, together with hell, death, the antichrist, false prophets and all whose portion is with them Isaiah 66:24. Revelation chapters 19-22. God has perfected the end from the beginning. But as it is written-"My people are destroyed for lack of Knowledge " Hosea 4:6, so, "With all thine getting, get understanding " Proverbs 4:7; Luke 24:45. Be filled with and led by the Holy Spirit, and abide in the fold, John 10, until He returns as promised, to take up His purchased possession! John 14:26; Ephesians chapters 1-2! Then He will set up His kingdom! Isaiah 9:6! Be encouraged!

[@princesssweetpea9205]

Whether we feel strongly about sexual sin, or not.... WE ARE NOT TO ACCEPT FALSE DOCTRINE IN OUR CHURCH.

[@pastorbri]

yes we allow homophobics in.

[@user-if5yb4ky4m]

But it's okay to eat shellfish still, right?

[@JesusIsKing844]

Yup. That’s because Jesus fulfilled the law through His perfect life and therefore made those specific laws not apply. But homosexuality (among other sins) are still wrong because the Bible says they are all throughout the New Testament. Also all food is deemed clean

[@user-if5yb4ky4m]

@@JesusIsKing844 Nah, you're just a bullshitter who hates LGBTQ+ people

[@pastorbri]

@@JesusIsKing844 not what the bible says, ur making it up now, the old law is either all gone or it all stands, which is it

[@JesusIsKing844]

@@pastorbri”wherefore the Law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, *we are no longer under a schoolmaster* .” The Mosaic Law given to the Israelites (which is what that is) is fulfilled and no longer applies, but God’s Law for all people and not just the ancient Israelites (which includes homosexuality being wrong which is reiterated in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10) still applies. Plus Jesus cleansed all the food anyways and Jesus has the authority to abrogate the Law as He pleases. That Law was put in place because at the time they didn’t have farmed shellfish so all shellfish ate was wild caught and shellfish in the wild just eat diseased decaying meat

[@PJ-ts7uz]

Good works as evidence of salvation is exactly what Catholics teach, but some Protestants bend that teaching to make Catholicism look bad.. Mind you, many Protestants do not do that, and many Catholics misunderstand their own faith.

[@96tolife]

Everyone is living as they want. If you're not it means you are under some form of law. The question is how do you want to live? If Jesus has changed your heart you will want to live a life of resting in the inheritance you have received while He lives His life through you.

[@pastorbri]

Jesus also cures peoples homophobia

[@user-ng5jl9st8s]

How van the Bible Mistranslate itself. 40 writers from Kings to Paupers never reading each others works since it was written over a period of 2000 years and 3 Continents.?

[@marethyu_primo7638]

Whenever people who bring up the mistranslation bit to me I counter with ho Christ himself referenced what marriage should be: between a man and a woman, Man and his Wife. Jesus himself affirms OT teachings on what marriage should be.

[@Mavors1099]

Ot allows polygamy.

[@pastorbri]

Jesus is also God and God said in the OT that marriage was also 1 man and many wives so there is no 1 definition of marriage, try again

[@pastorbri]

homophobics ignore this@@Mavors1099

[@jenkinsljenkinssquire9137]

What is a progressive Christian?

[@STEVEBINNION1]

Do you mean saved from heaven

[@thunderbear82]

I think the issue most people have is religious people tend to pick and choose their beliefs. The fact that they prioritize homosexuality over a huge litany of other sins is hypocritical.

[@grasonicus]

@thunderbear82 If the LGBTQ agenda wasn't forced down our throats at every turn, maybe we won't be so sick of it.

[@pastorbri]

thats the homophobic lifestyle for u sadly

[@ConservativeAnthem]

Of course it does! Look how healthy gay communities are...

[@Glorious716]

✝️🙏🏽❤️

[@avi8r66]

Rather than looking for reasons to divide people you should just be happy 2 people find love and friendship in this world. Their relationship does not harm you. If your God has issues with it let him deal with them. As I recall some instructions were 1) Judge not lest ye be judged and 2) love thy neighbor as thyself... and maybe 3) for god so loved the world he gave his only begotten son. ... the world. Not the heterosexual world... the world. Everyone. And yes, back then same sex pairings existed. Now, for me those stories are all just the words of a fictional God, but you supposedly believe that book to be true. So maybe, just maybe, rather than picking out the pieces that support your personal bigotry you could lean more heavily on the parts that help you get along with others.

[@mrsxber1916]

It's not about getting along. It's about preaching what the Bible says

[@elmeroranchero]

No one is looking to divide anyone, a question was asked and a question is being answered.

[@pastorbri]

but homophobics hate the bible@@mrsxber1916

[@pastorbri]

yes that homophobia is a sin@@elmeroranchero

[@signpost5596]

(1 John 2: 3-6) - "When we obey God, we are sure we know him. But if we claim to know him and don't obey him, we are lying and the truth isn't in our hearts. We truly love God only when we obey him as we should, and then we know we belong to him. If we say we are his, we must follow the example of Christ." So then, when a claimed 'Christian' denies what God clearly says is sin, he/she accuses God of being a liar. Since the so called progressive 'Christians' are in that camp, they aren't saved no matter what they say. They're deceived and try to deceive others.

[@cnault3244]

What does the Bible say about it? "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13)

[@pastorbri]

thats the old law which God says is a dead law or did God lie? Also in hebrew it says man shall not lay with man in idolotry, try again and stop adding your own hate on it.

[@robwagnon6578]

There is not bible verse that says 'faith alone' !

[@adrianobrowne3110]

We're saved by grace and we can repent and receive forgiveness by that grace. But when we repent, that is the beginning of our faith in Christ. Our walk with Christ is all about faith.

[@Aboard_and_Abroad]

@@adrianobrowne3110 rob is saying you cannot accept christ and still go against his word. then your faith becomes null and void and christ will say he never knew you.

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

@@adrianobrowne3110 Living, active faith _includes_ obeying God. If a dad has 2 kids, and he tells both of them to take out the garbage and mow the lawn and only 1 of them does it, which one of them really loves their dad? Like James said, Abraham was considered righteous because his belief translated to action.

[@adrianobrowne3110]

@@theeternalsbeliever1779 You're not wrong