WHAT IF Plot Holes EXPLAINED | Why the Stones Work + How Thanos Got the Soul Stone

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What If episode 8 showed Ultron gaining the infinity stones, destroying reality, and then facing off against the Watcher. So with so much happening from every corner of the universe, there were bound to be some plot holes and unanswered questions. So, we are here for you. How did Thanos get the soul stone without killing Gamora? I can explain. Why do the stones work in other dimensions? Don’t worry, I got your back. How does all of this connect to Loki, evil Dr. Strange and the Guardians of the Multiverse? I will tell you, right here on ScreenCrush.
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[@ScreenCrush]

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[@robert-janthuis9927]

Another thing with the TVA, the entire place might be laced with runes, which, as we learned in WandaVision prevents magic from anyone but the caster of the runes from having effect. In the room with the Timekeepers there are runes on the walls and it would explain why Loki's and Sylvie's magic didn't work there. Maybe these runes also prevent the infinity stones from working which would explain this "loophole".

[@quanqiller409]

So Ryan you said there are diffrent Uatus in diffrent multiverses but howcome can our watcher can watch diffrent universes

[@Rascofresco11]

Sooo does this confirm the Watcher is a Celestial?

[@vladdraculatepes9356]

@@quanqiller409 yeah thats so confusing

[@CorbCorbin]

These types of stories will always annoy some, but it’s just making me dislike the TVA power levels and rules even less. I already thought that Kang’s killing by being stabbed, and allowing it to happen, was a bad part of the ending for Loki. Now there will be more confusion with the real heavy hitters of the cosmic Marvel multiverse. Beyonders must not be out there or they’d have ended it? Where’s Eternity, or any of the entities that exist like Molecule Man? Galactus? Maybe Ultron defeated them all off-screen, but this also showed how overpowered Captain Marvel has been made, and how under powered Hulk, Thor and even Strange have been made.

[@Majere613]

Steve's running mate would be Sam, the guy on his right. After all, he does what Steve does, only slower.

[@robert-janthuis9927]

He wouldn't know Sam by that point. Hell, Sam might still be flying combat missions with his wingman.

[@Nate_F.I.M.]

@@robert-janthuis9927 i think it was a joke

[@COLE_PRODUCTIONS]

@@Nate_F.I.M. we know. It wasn't funny.

[@jakenight5147]

@@Nate_F.I.M. I think that too was a joke.

[@Nate_F.I.M.]

@@jakenight5147 I also think you’re a joke

[@fredbyoutubing]

A good, if not cliché, way to make a new villain seem powerful is to have him dispatch the previous one comically easily.

[@CorbCorbin]

Yet his attack was one the other Vision could’ve used. It was a bit too simple for me. I assume you mean Ultron taking out Thanos.

[@NoBreakz]

@@CorbCorbin well its the mind stone, so maby the power of the stone depends on the strenght and greatness of the mind of the user. Ultron is suppose to be the greatest mind in the galaxy

[@shlatekkin]

*Trunks and Frieza have entered the chat*

[@ZebbeCali]

Like from once upon a time in Hollywood.

[@twoften]

@@shlatekkin Was gunna say, DBZ 101.

[@pinicius]

There's an easier explanation to Xandar: Thanos got the power stone from the orb. The power stone never went to Xandar.

[@paulzuniga4256]

Xandar still would have been destroyed, per the deal Thanos made with Ronan. Or Ronan would have destroyed it himself.

[@inteallsviktigt]

@@paulzuniga4256 that assumes Ronan god the stone and not someone else.

[@figrollin]

@@paulzuniga4256 Except, without the power stone, Xandar would probably have easily defeated Ronin

[@paulzuniga4256]

@@figrollin i meant that Ronan would have used the stone to defeat Xandar, assuming he got ahold of it.

[@paulzuniga4256]

@@inteallsviktigt for sure. Everything we’re doing is assuming and guessing, since the traditional MCU timeline is all over the place in this episode. Shit, for all we know Howard the Duck got ahold of the orb and was using it to grind ingredients for his drinks, and Thanos very nicely traded him for a Titanian muddler.

[@josephnoto3648]

Mephisto was Steve's running mate, obvi. And in that universe, the Pentagon is...The Hexagon!

[@fabrislemos]

NOT THE BEES!!!

[@Benjamin_009]

@@fabrislemos beat me to it

[@legogenius22]

NOT THE BEEESSSSSS

[@mathkittie6472]

It's actually your mom

[@rithishbalaji7096]

🤭🤭😂🤣🤣

[@msquared9605]

I appreciate this video but I feel like the only answer necessary to all the “plot hole questions” is this… Because this is a show about the infinite possibilities of each timeline. The timeline of this episode didn’t necessarily branch off to create a new one as soon as Ultron got into his Vision body. For all we know, this timeline split before Cap got the serum, or even sooner than that, etc. The whole premise of a What If show, is being immune to any and all possibilities of loopholes… it’s a completely alternate universe, reality, and timeline… Remember the first words to each episode… time, space, reality… where the smallest of decisions can branch out into an infinite amount of possibilities

[@andyair6969]

THIS ^^^^^^^^^

[@RShaun]

I was going to say this but I knew there had to be at least one sane person. It’s literally called What if as in what if it didn’t happen the same way. This didn’t seem to need explaining but I guess here we are.

[@finleyhan350]

That's just a big excuse for lazy writing, lol. I get that the multiverse is infinite and all that, but what got us interested in the premise of the show in the first place is the idea of how things would turn out if this one specific thing changed. Every single change from the main timeline should be caused or at least correlated to that specific change (Nexus Event) in order to be interesting. Because if we just use your point of view to watch this show, then even something as absurd as seeing Steve Rogers being Iron Man or Peter Parker being Falcon in an episode titled "What if Thanos failed to snap his fingers?" can still be impervious to criticism.

[@msquared9605]

@@finleyhan350 you’re just bitching about the fact that they published the episode about the timeline where ultron won, then beat thanos to get the rest of the infinity stones, instead of the timeline where ultron won but then thanos beat him to get the final infinity stone and still ended up snapping. Tell me what kind of lazy writing would that be?? “Episode 8 What If Ultron Won”… ultron gets his body, destroys mankind but then is immediately beaten by thanos, who then snaps the half of all life away, and ultron, except for humans… My point is there isn’t only 2 timelines, one where ultron wins (what if episode 8) and one where he doesn’t (main mcu timeline) each one of those outcomes splits off into an infinite amount of timelines, just like the show and myself have stated

[@finleyhan350]

@@msquared9605 Lol, I'm not bitching about anything. I'm just saying that the episodes aren't that well written and the "infinite multiverse" reasoning should never be used because it can also excuse any form of bad writing. I understand that there are more timelines than just the main timeline and the one where Ultron wins in the main timeline, but those timelines aren't what we're interested in when we dive in the show. Your exact reasoning can also be used to excuse my previous example, an episode called "What if Thanos failed to snap?" that has Steve Rogers as Iron Man or Peter Parker as Falcon is as valid and logical as episode 8 because there are "infinite multiverses" where this could happen. And about how Ultron wins, there are non-convoluted ways which can be used to explain how he gathered the stones. One of them that I can think of is for them to just have Ultron discover the other Infinity Stones and collects them by himself, while racing with Thanos to do so. It doesn't need to be done that way of course, but the writing from the episode itself is just not that great.

[@bshaddo]

Of course Steve’s running mate is Valentina Allegra de Fontaine.

[@dw1419]

She seems like she'd make a good Veep!

[@kendrickparks9129]

@@dw1419 i understoood that reference. -president rogers

[@kendrickparks9129]

Valentina allegra CONTESSA defontaine

[@Shahzad-ss1jq]

@@kendrickparks9129 It's hard to say so just call me VAL

[@Don.M.]

Dormammu is in a different DIMENSION within the SAME UNIVERSE as Strange. That’s the only reason the stone still worked. Ultron was using the stones in other universes. How? Can you gather multiple copies of stones from multiple universes and use them all??

[@maximkusanagi]

Actually yes you can.

[@Don.M.]

@@maximkusanagi Wow, they'll probably have to find some way to nerf the stones again. The Infinity Stone power-play could be disastrous over and over again...

[@maximkusanagi]

@@Don.M. Actually in the comics There's a room where they get crafted for individual universes. They're inert in that specific location.

[@joshuahecht6866]

In the comics verse and Death Battle The infinity stones only work at their home universe While the MCU Stones work at any universe except for ones outside of space and time itself like the TVA.

[@Grey2Heavymental]

Thank you. The comics established that clearly that they only work in the universe they're crafted in. MCU messed that up. Cause then they have to explain why they don't work at the TVA but Ultron could use them wherever he wanted.

[@Ali-bu6lo]

1:13 You and and everyone else are overthinking this. She probably gained the information about Zola, the Siberia base and the Russian super soldier program from the file they found in the KGB archives in the episode. But the general knowledge about HYDRA's infiltration in Russia could've came from reading Shield leaked files. She was trying to find another algorithm and Zola was the obvious choice, She then probably started reading those files (which I assume she had copies of that Ultron couldn't have accessed due to them being offline.

[@keithmorlewski7114]

Exactly!

[@1Chasg]

This guy over analyses stuff to a stupid degree sometimes.

[@KnightRaymund]

Exactly. They were clearly there for info on Zola. His file pointed to the Siberian base. That seemed obvious.

[@Ali-bu6lo]

Sometimes, but he's still the best KZbinr when it comes to this contents.

[@smitzygaming1232]

Exactly

[@RiotKurhein]

I remain of the opinion that The Sacred Timeline is merely a branch of time that was protected by the TVA and He Who Remains and that there may be other branches from the before the Multiversal War that were so far off from the 'continuity' that He Who Remains was concerned about that they continued to exist perhaps with their own version of Kang that did likewise. Making sure their Timelines never cross until they eventually do. Chaos wins in the end. Also at some point the MCU have to hint at the Beyonders, entities that exist outside the Multiverse on a higher level than that of the Watchers.

[@jakubwiktor5874]

i still want somting about sentry and void in mcu in some forme beocse seeeing them fighting wodul be one of the most badass thing evere

[@RiotKurhein]

@@jakubwiktor5874 I think they'd need to alter his origin greatly especially with how they want Captain Marvel as the most powerful and with them already introducing Adam Warlock in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 the Sentry might seem redundant. Knowing that Zeus is in Thor Love and Thunder, so I'd like for the Olympians to be introduced along with Amadeus Cho.

[@mrgreatbigmoose]

RiotKurhein, I like the cut of your jib. That's a really good theory, one I haven't heard before.

[@enderprodigy3167]

I wholly agree with this statement. that is exactly how I explain it when writing my theories as well. sounds to me like you like quantum physics and are good with character development. But if not then you are onto a logical progression about the nature of quantum mechanics particularly the parts about entanglement and wave function. within probability we must assume that both a negative and positive added to the equation will give us a range in which a photon may end up within. In the MCU conflict presents the collapse of the wave function and the character is then coherent within one branch that split off while his variant who made the opposite decision became coherent in the other. which means that if kang isolated and looped a group of 3 timelines that it is entirely possible there is an infinite number of isolated looped universes before the nexus events happen. but it's clear that it's all cyclical in the MCU and relies on many ideas presented in eastern religions. which is in contrast to Steve who I will maintain went into the past to ensure kangs pre determined timeline because the avengers in Steve's mind must always win against Thanos in endgame which is an infinitely repreated event. part of the reason strange has to look at so many timelines to find one where the avengers win. essentially my assumption is all the timelines where the avengers lose are timelines where Thanos gets the necessary information to defeat the avengers. which means young Thanos at the end of endgame is a variant of old Thanos who completes the snap and knows what it's like to lose. Which leads me to our first clue within the MCU eluding to this. Loki himself. at the end of Thor Loki falls into a wormhole created by the collapse of the Einstein Rosenbridge. sound familiar? in Thor Ragnarock Sakaar is a planet surrounded by wormholes and Theorhetically exists in its own space time where time can be looped back on itself. We as the audience don't know if Loki went to Sakaar and then Thanos or if after the first movie the Loki we meet at Sakaar is actually the one from the first movie. also certain scenes are meant to have double entendre to give us dual meaning when presented with new information/timelines throughout the MCU in its entirety. which means by the time we get to the first avengers movie the Loki we see on screen is both a Loki from an alternate universe as well as the original who fell through the hole. in this scenario the information the audience knows makes the scene coherent. and the mechanics of what I'm saying is there, but certain things have not been revealed. but as the MCU continues we will undoubtedly be given more pieces to complete this puzzle and reveal that Tony Starks vision of the avengers losing is actually from a previous iteration of events. meaning the amount of timelines where the avengers lose have been corrected by Thanos. every time Tony or an avenger comes up with a solution in endgame to defeat young Thanos he is remade in his relative timeline and original reality (hopefully thanks to hela and talking with his older dead self) and starts putting his chess pieces in place to win... reminds me of the queens gambit. meaning the timelines Dr strange sees where the avengers lose are Theorhetically only half the timelines. just reread what I wrote and know it's hard to follow lol. my sentence structure needs work but the Info is there. so hard to cover this subject from a phone. but more to the point We have to deduce that there are also multiverses within multiverses. infinite deterministic timelines. infinite timelines of freewill in which probable futures also affect the past within a multiverse. essentially what modern quantum computers want to accomplish. if I were to guess I'd assume that the MCU is leading to a revelation about the possibility that our universe could potentially be holographic such as Elon musk suggests. we've already been introduced to the concept of boltzman brains via ego. though a more microscopic version of my analogy I also assume that it is more macroscopic as well. which supports scientific and theological concepts that are currently popular.

[@enderprodigy3167]

haven't watched the video yet but assume that if Dr strange can use time in the dark dimension then stones work so long as universe they are from still have the potential to continue. I think the stones in the drawers at the tva are from erased universes which is why they tend not to work. unless you find a linear timeline that they originate from. which is what I think Loki may have done in one of the episodes to stop a building from falling. which means that the singularities depend on the state of their respective universe. The one I haven't figured out is how a tesseract "awakens". this indicates that maybe there is more than one set of stones at play and that some stones may have been swapped until a potential point in time where the probability of another universe is destined to occure. also indicates that there is a strategically planned timeloop. perhaps the mind stone is also indicative of this as it shows Tony a probable future that most likely occured in a parallel reality. which means the Loki we see in the first avengers has already seen that alternate future. at the same time without the events of endgame he doesn't get his moment in the TVA. I speculate that the Loki from the first Avengers is simultaneously the Loki from the TVA as well as from the first Thor movie. Sakaar wormholes and relativistic principles might also come into play considering the end of the first Thor movie but so far that concept has been the least explored. I think captain marvel is introducing relativistic concepts along with Thor while we are nearing the end of quantum concepts at play. It appears the MCU may be attempting to reconcile the missing piece between both by making freewill and determinism simultaneously possible. which is what we should take away from the Loki series concerning the rules of the universe. I don't claim to believe any of it but for the sake of the fictional world of the MCU these theorhetical concepts are the same vs contending arguments. it's very clever. however I think that the breakdown of the wave function doesn't indicate that all probabilities exist when unobserved and still maintain that thing that exist in "phase" are still deterministic. they just move to fast to observe. if an unpredicted result happens I think it's because there is a variable factor not accounted for. one I think pilot wave theory addresses rather well. regardless that doesn't appear to be a concern with the MCU that is just addressing popularized ideas in physics and certain interpretations of that theory. fun ride either way.

[@ericjome7284]

If you've been around comics long enough, you'll know that continuity never lasts. It's just too complicated to keep straight forever. The idea of a multiverse comes from endless readers questions about continuity. "It's a from another universe." has been the defining solution for decades.

[@jaegeru3535]

I got my chain on right now

[@lexruptor]

Not remotely. The word convoluted comes to mind. Convoluted doesn't mean confusing, a synonym would be dense, lush, or thick. Whenever a story gets deep, you inevitably have morons who don't understand it, and therefore deem it bad, and complain that it messed with continuity, or killed it in some way. Doctor Who is the same way, casuals just don't get it.

[@jeremycalo6117]

That was one of the most dense things I've ever read.

[@noname-rc2jx]

@@lexruptor I completely agree and cannot stand these kind of people. Especially, when they refuse to admit being wrong and accept the truth.

[@user-cv3dr4kt7j]

The real world just turns out to be so berating and disappointing that we have to take advantage of how big the universe is and hope that out of all this vastness, this single planet isn't the only thing holding life.

[@RobCaveJr]

Thanos could have still killed Nebula for the soul stone, he loves them both in his way. don't know why you have him jumping through so many hoops here

[@weirdshrimpnumber9755]

@@vitorbowen2347 maybe in this universe he did

[@lordvika2526]

@@vitorbowen2347 you sure about that. Right before he got his head cut off he was saying that he was sorry for how he treated her.

[@ArcLines70074]

Nebula at the time also would have been on The Sovigern. She was the payment for The Guardians helping.

[@lordvika2526]

@@ArcLines70074 maybe not, remember not everything would be the same. He might have used Nebula oe he could have used one of his other "children". I think he never adopted Gamora so he would have "loved" one of his other children enough to get the soul stone. I think even in the main MCU that he could have used anyone of his "children" it just so happens that Gamora knew the location so she was the one that he used to get the soul stone.

[@Shahzad-ss1jq]

@@lordvika2526 By children you mean the black order You know cull obsidian and others

[@Rated314]

The avengers used the infinity stones from their own universe, just a different point in time. Removing the stones would create a parallel universe, had they not been returned. But since they were returned, it was as if they never left. Think like Back to the Future, when Marty comes back and sees himself leave... for a brief overlap, there are two infinity copies of each. Now when the tesseract goes where it isn't supposed to, and doesn't return... that creates a parallel universe out of a branch timeline... which the TVA erased when it captured Loki. The Dark Dimension and Mirror Dimension are Pocket Dimensions within this universe... not separate from... which is why the stones work there.

[@thegaminglord2190]

Your right, he's trying to be as smart ass but it's not really working with him

[@Playingwithproxies]

The TVA could just return the stone like the avengers did just shown up 1/2 a second later with Loki in cuffs and been like we are time cops here you go. Could it be that the multiverse being infinite means they’re are infinite universes where the stones could work across them all and at the same instance infinite universes where the stones wouldn’t work unless they are original. And maybe he can only break into other universes where his stones can work because that’s how he is breaking into them.

[@Rated314]

@@Playingwithproxies that's were infinite worlds theory starts to break your brain. There are infinite universes where Loki looks like Loki. Infinite universes where Loki looks like Sylvie. Infinite universes where Loki looks like infinite different appearances altogether. And an equal infinite number (encompassing all of those infinities) where Loki doesn't exist at all. Switch it to terminator, Kyle Reese couldn't have been John Connor's father, until John Connor sent him back to save Sarah, so in the OG timeline, John Connor's father was someone else... then when Kyle comes back, that's a whole new person that was born, that Sarah then shaped into what the original John Connor was.... 🤯

[@game_jinx]

not accurate

[@game_jinx]

@@Playingwithproxies nope.

[@ComicalRealm]

Thanos would have put up a good fight if he hadn't let his guard down...A little unfortunate that we didn't get to see peak Ultron vs Thanos. A fantastic episode nonetheless

[@jameslawrence2291]

Shame the episode is only 30 mins. Otherwise I’m sure we would of seen that fight

[@vladdraculatepes9356]

A wasted opportunity

[@deanospimoniful]

Man, people are so interested in banging their action figures against each other sometimes.

[@to3sted248]

Wasted opportunity and lazy writing they could’ve at least had a similar fight of strange vs thanos in infinity war 🤦‍♂️

[@raeldrews1187]

Maybe it really depends if thanod stoped time or ultron controled his mind

[@FatherGoood]

I get the “elevated level of consciousness,” but How did Ultron FIND the Watcher? How did he “break through” the metaphorical glass wall/dimension?

[@lenxHD]

Just don't think about it. The writers sure didn't. I've noticed that trend in the show. They just do things, or say things that happened and we're meant to just accept it without any question.

[@benjinaj7430]

Someone said oh yeah he can use stones to their FULL potential unlike Thanos. Being a super computer and all. So using their powers boosted by the power stone too he can see different realities, a stronger version of dr strange when he used the time stone to see timelines

[@lenxHD]

@@benjinaj7430 "someone said" isn't really a good source. Anyone can say anything, it doesn't make it true, or mean it was the writers intention.

[@benjinaj7430]

@@lenxHD yeah correct but a good guess on why

[@bingguo6172]

Ultron said "I finally found you", so after a probably super looong time hoping from universe to universe, he found the answer to how to get there

[@jje1519]

It looks like the guardians of the galaxy are fighting that octopus monster(in the actual movie scene) from the what if series

[@RansomeStoddard]

Steve’s running mate was clearly Howard the Duck. When you are out of luck, always go duck!

[@leobruch3697]

I think ultron understands his own body way better then vision later did, which was why he was so overwhelmed in infinity war, when he was mainly trying to understand his feelings, not his powers.

[@tezdoom]

I thought Nat and Clint figured out the other Zola location when they found that file in the KGB location?

[@Teddybear6775]

Thats what i was thinking

[@ordinary_deepfake]

Exactly

[@Naim54321]

Yeah I don’t understand how ScreenCrush didn’t get this 😂

[@tilarium2]

I love all the people talking about "how do the stones work in another timeline" or the variants there of. It was never said they didn't keep working in other timelines. All Loki ever showed was that they didn't work in the TVA.

[@Agamemnon5174]

I want u to go back and reread what u wrote my first reaction was to call you a name but im trying to be better think about what u said see if u can seen the in accuracy in it

[@adityanaik6291]

Umm everyone knows in the comics they're not supposed to work in any other universe except their own and the MCU and comics take place in the same multiverse

[@thecastleofnothing7074]

@@adityanaik6291 the very fact is marvel is clearly changing the rules of these stones again, as they have done. So they now work in different timelines and universes. So please stop asking this question and learn to accept it

[@thecastleofnothing7074]

@@adityanaik6291 and watch the full video because I think we can all agree they. Now work in different timelines and such and What if... Is canon it has been confirmed by the people of marvel so all of this is canon to the MCU and the comics

[@Agamemnon5174]

@@adityanaik6291 that incorrect loki already showed they don’t work in any universe other then the one they are from aka each multiverse has its own set of stones

[@RishiChawla-jj8kr]

My question about the TVA is how could they possibly keep up with variants, because since it is an infinite multiverse, there should be infinite new variants at every moment

[@vladyslavkorenyak872]

Because it's convenient to the plot haha

[@RishiChawla-jj8kr]

@@vladyslavkorenyak872 lol

[@inteallsviktigt]

because the TVA have infinite agents and time works differently at the TVA. At he who remains all time happens simultaneously and canonically the universe is limited, just the space is infinite

[@RishiChawla-jj8kr]

@@inteallsviktigt but if you think about it every moment has choices that lead to new universes and even if there were infinite TVA agents they would technically each have to do infinite variants because infinite/infinite is still infinite

[@inteallsviktigt]

@@RishiChawla-jj8kr indeed. But every moment isn't of intrest. The TVA dont care if you are late to work. or took a right turn instead of a left turn. They only care about maintaining their own existence and stopping more kangs from existing. plus the TVA exist as 4th dimensional space as all time exist simultaneously granting them infinite time to fix infinite variants

[@robertmartin4449]

I think Steve’s running mate would be “your mom”. Boom!!!! You’ve been pointing out my mom in videos for so long!! It’s so nice to return the favour

[@douglasskinner6348]

That's what she said.

[@akshatsharma9740]

He is too afraid to accept tis comment, hence he just chose to ignore it....

[@andyair6969]

Nailed it!! (Your Mom that is)

[@CrystalCandyPony]

Why could Ultron use the Stones well looking at Doctor Strange he was able to because Dormammu had opened a rift between Earth and the Dark dimension (also dimension actually implies still part of a single reality but never mind that) we also see in Loki the Tesseract lose it's glow but only after the gate Hunter B-15 and Loki entered the TVA though closes, this show that the Stones can work in other universes as long as their connected by an opening. Ultron didn't travel to another universe in the conventional sense instead he managed to shatter the barrier to Uatu's realm (Lets call it the Space Between Spaces) Note Ultron literally shattered this barrier leaving a permanent hole as well as his new found connection to The Space Between Spaces allows him to travel anywhere within the Multiverse and still retain the power of his Infinity Stones. if he had traveled to a different universe like He Who Remains and the other Kang's he would be shocked to learn his Stones don't work unless he is tied to his universe and well that wouldn't pose too much of a multiversal threat now would it. To be fair the MCU has never out right explained if the Infinity Stones work in other universes by with these little details it seem likely they don't.

[@derekware2888]

No, just bad writing.

[@noname-rc2jx]

Finally, someone who realizes that there is current no official rule that states where the MCU's infinity stones can or cannot function. Instead, most people continue to wrongly think that the rules associated with the comics infinity gems, are the exact same for the MCU's infinity stones.

[@MaverickBlue42]

All they've said is that the stones don't work in the TVA, and we haven't been told yet where the TVA actually is. Some realms, such as the quantum realm, are outside of all universes.

[@mrgreatbigmoose]

Excellent points all four of you. The stones from the MCU don't line up with the 616 stones in their colour and placement on the gauntlet. The rules for stones in comics were more established, especially with the Council of Reed Richards. Three of them show up with a gauntlet each. They say that the gauntlets don't work outside their universes but that doesn't mean they're paperweights. It probably just means they aren't the most powerful weapons in the other universes. Reed 98740 was seen using his gauntlet in Universe 45. They could still have some power, just not an infinite amount. They would be Finity Gauntlets.

[@RiceCubeTech]

@@mrgreatbigmoose except the dc marvel crossover showed that the stones were absolute junk in another universe. And even in the universe they are in they’re not that strong. They could only stop one incursion before being destroyed and they supposedly have infinite power.

[@steveseltz2798]

at 10:15 I feel a better way to interpret this is to showcase just how powerful both the watcher is, but also how powerful Ultron is. It is showcasing their omnipotence they have. The Thor scene is happening at the exact same time as the Watcher messes up. It is all his other forms, who are watching the multiverse at the same time, realizing at once that something has happened.

[@thethirdchimpanzee]

"Decimated" literally means to reduce by 1/10th...so maybe Thanos or Ultron or whoever "decimated" Nova Prime, they just destroyed 10% of it, so they could rebuild it easily.

[@palg5287]

At the end of episode 1 was hinted that the time stone (tesseract) may have not only space but time travel properties (because of Cap Carter appearing in a different year in her timeline). So, if we assume that premise as valid, that would give Ultron the ability to time and space travel through different multiverses. Hence, time jump plotholes could be explained.

[@Goosebump_clips]

I dont even think the writers put this much thought into it 😂

[@1aml3g3nd13]

Maybe Clint swapped shooting arms due to the metal arm having a faster reaction time with the arrows.

[@chuckdawg1999]

He also swapped arms in that clip from Age of Ultron. It has to do with what looks best for the scene.

[@VivekYadav-ds8oz]

I imagine that would be incredibly hard to do. Then again, he's the Hawkeye, so who knows..

[@ahmed4363]

Pretty sure he would have extensive training to shoot with both his arms.

[@My2cents.]

Narrative of Self is the result of a feedback loop between “Separate Self” & Cosmos 🎈

[@mnothem1]

how does the "unseparated self" play into that feedback loop?

[@mandelorean6243]

Naming things doesn't equate to understanding

[@My2cents.]

@@mnothem1 In the same way there is a feedback loop when we engage in self talk and not a genuine back and forth between two sources, the same thing occurs with the Narrative of Self. It’s the story we tell to ourselves about ourselves, ie subjective rationalization. There appears to be a cosmos and you separate within it, this illusion is what leads to the feedback loop. Non-Duality. I have a short vid on my channel that elaborates. ✌️&♥️

[@zaidbaloch067]

I was waiting for this all day.

[@SundayMorning91]

Same!

[@TheKillaMethod]

I'm not the only one!

[@kevinrockwood7856]

My thought was in Loki, the reason why those Infinity stones didn’t work was because that timeline was pruned. Since the TVA is no longer pruning timelines, that timeline still exists. He may not be in that timeline currently but as long as it still exists, the stones can work.

[@Rice8003]

You're probably the only breakdown channel that point out things I didn't know at all

[@MaverickBlue42]

Captain Marvel definitely has cosmic awareness in the MCU. That's how she just _knows_ where to zip around to.

[@agent234]

These episodes in this series don't have to completely align with the timeline from the movies. I don't know why people don't realize that.

[@game_jinx]

that completely defeats the purpose of "phase 4" continuity. are you illiterate?

[@brianavner4186]

What’s stopping the watcher from gathering a bunch of infinity stones from other timelines to overpower ultravision?

[@game_jinx]

exactly

[@Dme_-xi9oi]

When I first watched the episode and saw Thanos with the souls stone, but saw Gamora fighting on Sovereign and I never saw Nebula I just thought that they had a "better" relationship than the movies did.

[@FrobieMangaka14]

Actually, that raises a good point. The Guardians were only onnthe Soverign to get Nebula released into their custody. So Nebula was there (just off-screen, held captive by Ayisha) So Thanos couldnt have sacrificed Nebula in Gamora's place. Maybe he sacrificed the Maw in stead...

[@ScreenCrush]

Do you have any other questions for us?

[@GZUS32]

Where do space babies come from?

[@jamesstella9481]

@@GZUS32 good idea

[@IBTDrumandbass]

Who created the Watcher ? CHEERS

[@mexican_panda8838]

I'm halfway through the video, but how was Gamora there if Thanos got the soul stone?

[@mexican_panda8838]

Nevermind

[@julioandresgomez3201]

I think the Watcher is surprised at the end of ep 7 because they really lived happily ever after... in another timeline. Ultron accessing that reality creates a new timeline where they have to deal with Ultron. And it is surprised in ep 8 because Ultron really remained alone in the void for all eternity until ¡boom! Nexus event. A new timeline where Ultron realizes there´s so much more.

[@ordinary_deepfake]

Exactly

[@OgGuak420]

The episodes were released out of order actually

[@josephford2226]

@@OgGuak420 "Order" is meaningless in the multiverse.

[@masterg004]

I would of loved to see the fight against Thanos, but the watcher fight was badass as well.

[@TheRealAlpha2]

Dormamu was also in the process of crossing over to earth when Strange came to bargain. So, it's technically like standing on a boarder with one foot on either side, making the Time stone a valid tool.

[@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu]

But it's made clear that Strange gave him time as a "present" from his universe. Meaning there wasn't time before Stramge arrived to the Dark Dimension with the TS.

[@daniell5740]

He wasn’t in the process he was still in his world lol which is whbstrange had to cross over to it..

[@crystalclearchaos5387]

Isn’t the dark dimension still in the same reality its not like he stepped into a different reality the stones don’t die in different dimension only when they exit their native reality

[@ZebbeCali]

I definitely feel like Hawkeye is ambidextrous. Heck, he prolly accurate with both feet as well.

[@manuelarizzato666]

What no one has realized is that the whole episode is a reference to the comic saga of "age of ultron" (2013) in which ultron reaches its final form and exterminates the universe, becoming so powerful that lives beyond it, same thing it does here with the infinity gems. In addition, the controversity of Vision killing the avengers and thanos with the infinity gauntlet is given by the fact that now, ultron has evolved into vision becoming simply perfect: as there are millions of ultrons, he cannot be killed, he has the full understanding of the powers of vision (unlike jarvis) and thinks objectively, thanos, for example, didn't send the black order against him in order to take the gem himself, so he let his guard down, he didn't used the power of the gems and overestimated himself, while Ultron launched his maximum power right away.

[@Barvyon]

I like my own theory that the batteries that the Sovereign use are actually the same thing that Hydra does with the Space Stone, only as we saw in the end credits scene, they are using Adam's own cosmic energy to power their technology, that's why his "cocoon" has all those wires and tubes attached to it, they are harnessing his energy.

[@shinphatman]

Great job answering these questions!

[@todangtall]

Archery is actually based off eye dominance, not had dominance. So Clint using a different hand with his bow is somewhat moot. Also, it's Hawkeye so I wouldn't be surprised if had extensive training to use his bow with both hands.

[@sonofgaming1546]

I feel like he changed hands after loosing one

[@Iris-ib3qe]

I think it’s also simply these are different Stones than the ones in the comics. The comic Stones don’t hurt those that use them, but only work in their home universe. That’s their limitation. On the other hand, the MCU stones can be used across any universe or timeline, but even the most powerful beings would be seriously injured if they use too much power. Normal beings can’t even hold them. Unfortunately, as the video points out, Ultron is just the perfect being to wield the stones in his infinitely repairing, near indestructible body.

[@tbd3058]

Infinity Stones are made out of and bound to their universe. For that reason THEY CAN NOT hold power over other universes than their own. Why is it so hard for people to understand the makers of What If fucked up. That’s really all there is to it.

[@yuugur666]

@@tbd3058 Problem is that in the comics, the gems have REPEATEDLY been shown to work in other universes. The idea that they can't is part of a retcon

[@ahmed4363]

@@tbd3058 in Loki the space stone was still glowing while the portal was open Ultron literally broke the window from his universe to Uatu's realm leaving a permanent connection to his universe

[@A.Liar.]

@@tbd3058 actually if i am the maker of what if, i would say this "what? U didnt realize? In this what if universe, there is one what if that applies to every episode, and that is (what if infinity stones work on other universe)" just like that

[@Lamp_2155]

@@tbd3058 or maybe just like the colours, properties of the stones change between comics,shows and movies

[@happysingh-mk3hs]

thank you sir....all doubts resolved now....happily relieved

[@Phoenix_NH]

My personal theory that I've heard about the watcher being surprised by Ultron in episode 7 is that he saw that reality first, then went back in time in the Ultron universe and watched that, which let Ultron escape and go into the universe from episode 7 to allow his past self to be surprised by it.

[@lexruptor]

The stones still working isn't a plot hole, this is a different multiverse than the comics, slightly different rules

[@jomarmandingiado9244]

In loki there was a bunch of powerless power stones... i think thats where that info stems from.

[@robertmartin4449]

@@jomarmandingiado9244 thinking the same thing. 👍

[@BinkSayres]

Yeah. What OP said is really going to be the final answer. In a universe of made up stuff, who's to say that they can't just make new rules when it helps the story? There have been many instances in the last decade plus of the MCU and even in the TV shows where Lore didn't completely transfer from the Comics. While they do use the comics as a defining guideline, the MCU is still free to do pretty much wherever it wants. Us Marvel super-geeks ultimately have to accept that it's not going to be a perfect 1:1 comparison. To be fair, they already did thematically establish that the Time Stone worked in other dimensions. And no one batted an eye. Besides that wrenching of continuity from the comics, this really is a kick-ass episode.

[@jomarmandingiado9244]

@@BinkSayres but this was comment about it being a plot hole, I mean i was just pointing to evidence that proves it as such. Ultimately yeah you can say they can rewrite it however they want but by breaking rules all the time its creates a shitter story.

[@lexruptor]

@@jomarmandingiado9244 Yes, because Kang created the TVA to exist outside of time so they wouldn't work, it's a different dimension, not a different universe, Kang's involved, tech, extremely advanced tech. It's not the same as Ultron just busting through universes.

[@PowerStruggle555]

More logical reason as to how Thanos got soul stone. someone else close to him has someone they loved. Two members of the Dark Order. Proxima Midnight and Corvus Glaive. They are a married couple. both in the comics and hinted at in the movies. I believe he either sent them to get soul stone and one of them sacrificed the other (or themselves) for the greater good

[@paulzuniga4256]

The big question isn’t how he got the soul stone, it’s how he found out it was on vormir. Once he finds out the location then yeah, no problem, but getting there is an issue

[@enadegheeghaghe6369]

@@paulzuniga4256 this universe is different from the main MCU universe, why couldn't he have found out about Vormir by another means? Why do you expect that to happen the same way in this universe?

[@lmtlsak1829]

The easiest explanation is thanos sacrificed nebula.

[@paulzuniga4256]

@@enadegheeghaghe6369 there’s no hard rule that says it has to. It’s kind of lazy, but it is a 35 minute semi-anthology show. If you’ve got a story about how he found out the stone was on vormir I’m all ears.

[@semajjajames3540]

Or in this time line someone else had it or it never was protected in the same way. Like the red skull is protecting it but maybe in this timeline that series of events never happened where the skull was transported away.

[@hellohogo]

I love that you took the time to explain potential plot holes in an animated version of the MCU, which in itself is a modified version of the comics, which is also heavily fragmented with hundreds of variations, when there are literally an infinite amount of explanations. It would be ridiculous if i didn't love it. 🖤

[@jonaswieczorek3198]

One thing I've been asking myself is how ultron was able to destroy the infinity gauntlet - wich was made out of uru - with the mind stone "laser", when in Infinity War Thanos wasn't able to destroy Stormbreaker (also uru) with all the stones combined.

[@iv_youngking]

I asked my friends why the other watchers didn’t help Uatu and he told me that they took an oan to not intervene so they watched Uato get his ass kicked from the distance 😂😂😂

[@lmtlsak1829]

Other watchers be like: should I interfere? Nah I'll just enjoy it.

[@princehiteshwar1494]

Who watches the watchers?

[@rustyk4645]

@@princehiteshwar1494 the makers of Popcorn.

[@nicholasgarrick7546]

I think he was able to get the stone easier because maybe in his universe the stones ended up in different areas of that universe maybe in ultro visions universe the soul stone never ended up on vormir, and the reality stone was never turned into liquid, and so on.

[@FrobieMangaka14]

The reality stone is not really "turned into liquid" rather it being the reality gem it can take a differnt form of matter when not being weilded. When Thor blasted it in Thor2 it shattered like a solid, but then took its liquid form again and regrouped

[@j0hnnybravoo]

I love newrockstars but they are taking to long to upload videos now! Thanks for the quickness ! You’re my new go to !!

[@guyfromdogtownb7985]

Killed it again brotha 🤘

[@odogg819]

To be fair to the phrase “he decimated Xandar”, decimate technically means to destroy a tenth of something. Meaning Thanos could’ve taken the stone without destroying the entire planet.

[@GouthamPasumarthy]

Decimated isn't really used in the sense of 1/10th. It refers to large quantities if not complete destruction. The usage of that word has diverged from its origin.

[@KnuckleKraken]

Ok, two things. One, and most important, Doug, you are a good boy. Two, why didn't Ultron wonder who Uatu was talking to when he heard him?

[@ethosarete]

It's also possible for different timelines to be shifted relative to each other. This has also been explored in science fiction, traveling to alternate realities that are identical except shifted on the time access by years to centuries

[@roiking6223]

I'm curious about your thoughts on how Ultron so easily sliced through the Infinity Gauntlet. The Gauntlet is Uru similar to stormbreaker and made to harness all of the gems power. And, Thanos with all of the infinity gems couldn't melt or destroy Stormbreaker when Thor threw it into his chest. The gauntlet is sturdy as it was forged by a star and Thanos used it to block attacks from Ironman and Wanda. Finally, and ironically Gorvus Glaive's seems able to easily block/reflect Vision's mind gem Laser attack with his spear.

[@makino2437]

question:how come Ultron couldn't just snap the Watcher out of existence? wouldn't it be easier than snapping half the universe, making it possible?

[@maniacplaysgames3444]

To that same point, why didn’t he just snap all the planets out of existence

[@deanospimoniful]

If you watched the episode it becomes evident that Uatu actually possesses a power that rivals the stones themselves. He's not a fighter, though, so he knew he couldn't stand up in a protracted battle with Ultron.

[@richardjohnson9543]

Ultron wasn't interested in using the Stones the same way Thanos did. Thanos simply wanted them to do the Snap, while Ultron became an omnipotent god of death showing off his might up close and personal

[@matthewdouglas8368]

The stones likely could not have that effect on the watcher. They could snap half the universe because that is where they are tied to, and they worked in/on other universes because they follow the same laws of physics and are really just the versions of the same universe, the watcher however exists as an entity separate from all universes and thus does not follow the same laws that bind them to manipulation by the infinity stones. Infinity stones while powerful do not hold control over everything as shown in loki where it is found they dont work in the TVA. This is because the TVA is a place that does not in anyway conform to the laws of their origin universes, and as a result does not conform to them, same goes for the watcher.

[@makino2437]

@@matthewdouglas8368 not to contradict you, but the other stones did have an effect him in battle

[@shuaizu9100]

It's not a plot hole. What If is not the MCU, just Marvel. Different rules, different universes, etc.

[@gold21josh]

marvel execs confirmed what if is mcu canon

[@shuaizu9100]

@@gold21josh wrong.

[@rileshkhatri1209]

Best guy that explains what if series and all other marvel movies

[@venm766]

Makes sense why Ultron can fully utilize the full power of the stones seeing as how he was Born from the mind stone and is essentially the consciousness of the Mind stone whereas vision is just Jarvis fused with the mind stone given a body

[@GoldenYaldabaoth]

Why couldn't Ultron with the infinity stones notice/sense that Black Widow and Hawkeye were still alive, after he eradicated the rest of life in his universe?

[@princehiteshwar1494]

When you are high up in the mountains can you see the people down there

[@LineOfThy]

Thought earth was dead already

[@Miloadeur]

There’s no plot holes, cause I think marvel made this multiverse thing to mess with continuity and get away with it. Simple and valid of course. People ask too much out of fiction and concepts we don’t understand. Jajajaja

[@tonymuto7294]

Why does Xandar look so nice? Thor said that "Thanos decimated Xandar." The original definition of decimate means "to kill one in every ten". That would leave nine tenths still intact. Thanos had no reason to destroy the rest of Xandar once he got what he wanted.

[@rugardliopsis1865]

I just love how sick ultron armor is Great for toy merch

[@tshadow27]

It's pretty cool that after every episode of what if, the intro gains more shards of the multiverse

[@LarryLynx]

Why did ultron not just snap all life out of existence? Waging war was ineffective, given that there seem to be survivors. He should have been smart enough to not engage in traditional combat when it could have been easily avoided.

[@chrisszczesiul837]

I do recall Marvel backpedaling once and said Ultron was a backup plan placed in the mind stone in case Loki failed. Interesting to see Thanos’ plan turn on him. Not sure if I’d consider it a plot hole, but I do wish we got to see them fight or even converse. Too bad there’s always limits to what you can do or even have time for.

[@DrakyDJ]

FINALLY,THESE GOT ANSWERED :D

[@jcnot9712]

For ScreenCrush, I’m Ryan A- *outro plays*

[@joseluis5055]

Marvel already confirmed Homecoming's "8 years later" is a mistake. So his timeline doesn't work

[@FrobieMangaka14]

I wonder if when Homecoming eventually comes to Disney+ they will fix the issue and say "4 years later"

[@ComicPower]

As always solid theories

[@grandadmiralzaarin4962]

I also theorize that when Ultron ripped holes into other universes, the holes remained opened, therefore connecting and effectively making two universes into one interconnected reality.

[@game_jinx]

not a good theory

[@Rascofresco11]

That whole stone not working in other timelines/universes was such a lame theory as I mentioned before... Because how were they able to use the stones from other timelines/universes in End Game?

[@lexruptor]

They didn't. They went back in time, got em, used em, took em back, same universe, same timeline

[@Rascofresco11]

@@lexruptor there is no back in time according to smart hulk. Every timeline moves in a linear direction and is it's own functional universe like the Ancient One Explained

[@acedragon543]

Small correction. The Dark Dimension isn't another universe. Its a dimension inside an existing universe. Each universe has its own Dormamu with it's own Dark dimension because he is not a multiversal being. The stones working in other universes does seem to be broken continuity until they retcon it. We know the MCU is not infallible. I know it's not going to happen cause they are setting up the multiversal avengers to take Ultron down, but this really seems like the point where the Living Tribunal would step in and flip the off switch on the stones since it threatens the multiverse

[@acedragon543]

@Hash Frowns No they just never explained why the stones didnt work in the TVA so the most logical choice was that they were following the rules established in the comics. They were also animating this before the script for Loki was finished even though this takes place after. Making the safest assumption, it being a continuity error. At least that's what im sticking with until it's properly explained or retconned. Personally im not a stickler for stuff like this as long as it's entertaining lol

[@acedragon543]

@Hash Frowns They explained endgame in endgame. The stones virtually never left their timeline or universe. With Cap returning them to the moment they were taken. It was an event that was meant to happen in that timeline essentially sliding their existence forward in time momentarily without changing anything. The stones would have still worked because they were in their home universe the entire time

[@acedragon543]

@Hash Frowns Yes they were. They were returned to the moment they were taken in the main timeline. Thanos would create a different timeline but anything with the stones wouldnt. Returning the power stone to the moment it was taken would not disrupt the timeline. Starlord wakes up and the stone is still there. Nebula doesnt get capture. Everything progresses as normal. Thanos following them makes an alternate timeline where he doesnt exist past 2014 and puts him on a different branch of the timeline relative to the stone. From the stones reference point everything plays out like it would up until it's destroyed after Infinity War. Thanos's newly created timeline continues forward without him and a power stone or gets pruned. The stones were gone and back in a blink on the main timeline keeping them inside their own universe the whole time.

[@acedragon543]

@Hash Frowns It's ok. Time travel is confusing. And nobody rewrote any timelines. I'm not sure where you got that. The stone was returned to the main timeline and that Thanos diverged into a new one. Theres nothing that says starlord wasnt knocked unconscious to begin with in the main timeline and we just didnt see it. That applies to all of the stones. Anything we saw happen in endgame could have happened in the background. What happened to get the result of endgame was meant to happen, and will always happen

[@acedragon543]

@Hash Frowns *mcu canon*

[@plagmatics]

Unrelated, I got high the other day and was looking up trippy shit to watch. Decided to go back to the doctor strange tea-and-honey trip. Showed it to my friend and she loved it, and wanted to watch the movie. We watched it together, and MAN. His tripping with hands hits hard when you rewatch; or maybe when you just watch and realize that's all his anxiety of how he wants his hands back. Beautiful sequence

[@markathugbiscuit8743]

Hey man I’m a huge fan of your content. I don’t think there’s anyone out there right now putting out the quality that you are for these kinds of videos. Keep it up

[@carsonclay2965]

I have a theory on why the stones work in other universes. I think the MCU is a single universe split into many different smaller universes. Like how the Ancient One allowed multiple timelines to exist in one universe. So the stones still work because the MCU takes place in one giant universe split into many. It would explain why the Infinity Stones are pretty nerfed compared to the comics. Each universe's stones are an infinitely small chunk of what they should be. It also explains how the multiverse has existed in comics for decades but apparently the TVA has been preventing the existence of a multiverse. TL;DR, the MCU is a multiverse contained in a single universe.

[@inteallsviktigt]

hard disagree. the TVA have never prevented a multiuniverse from existing. they only care about branching timelines affecting the existence of TVA. they would care if Ultron destroyed 99% of universes as long as it's not a danger to their mission

[@carsonclay2965]

@@inteallsviktigt Same logic. Kang has existed in comics for decades, so the TVA logically doesn't reach outside their multiverse.

[@inteallsviktigt]

@@carsonclay2965 it's necessarily needs a multiverse. The TVA and Kang just have no interest to interfere as the sacred timeline is still maintained. you just have misunderstood their goal 1. ensure teh TVA exist 2. ensure no other kangs come to exist but he who remains

[@adityanaik6291]

I love this theory so much

[@princehiteshwar1494]

existence is freedom it is not controlled by anyone as we see Kang should have known about loki reaching there but he too is uncertain about the future, these glitches or loopholes are proofs of ever expanding universe ❤️

[@broph3n]

Why is no one else complaining about Ultron not having his original voice? I was so looking forward to that, he sounds weird

[@avshzjkncffj8652]

I think the idea is that he's in a new body, Vision only sounds like Vision because of Jarvis. The body Ultron wanted was a "new" being. His "ascendance." Also it was probably hard to get James Spader, tbh.

[@joaovidiri]

You can hear the actor all day at netflix Black List.

[@deanospimoniful]

I've seen lots of people complaining about that.

[@broph3n]

@@avshzjkncffj8652 Yeah that's kinda why I thought he would sound like Ultron, just like Vision sounded like Jarvis, for the same reason. Oh well

[@MrTY420ful]

I know the MCU appreciates the hell out of you guys doing these types of videos. Because without you they would not be able to escape the corners that they write themselves into. I wonder how many times KZbin has influenced the mcu's story arcs just by there posting so many theories? I think the MCU needs to start recruiting people off youtube. They could do it like "American Idol".

[@aussiedogfighter285]

one thing to note, shortly before natasha was talking about arnim zola, they found zola's file, which would've had his info

[@PhatGirlLuvr68Comix]

The nerd outrage over this episode is insane. Can't we just enjoy a Super Saiyan Watcher?

[@paulzuniga4256]

Of course we can, it was badass seeing the watcher go HAM. But when the screenwriters start ignoring existing canon or brushing aside aspects of major plot points without explanation (which in fairness, isn’t totally unreasonable, since it’s a 35 minute show), you’re gonna draw nerd aggro.

[@PhatGirlLuvr68Comix]

@@paulzuniga4256 They did the same thing in the What If comics many times. Everything doesn't always happen exactly the same in every reality.

[@paulzuniga4256]

@@PhatGirlLuvr68Comix I know, they just made a point early on in the show that there’s a single point that causes the timeline to diverge from the MCU. Personally, the bigger issue is that the infinity stones work through different universes, which marvel has repeatedly demonstrated is not the case. But you know, there’s gotta be some What If screenwriter out there who’s sipping their drink and giggling over how they’re making nerds rage out over stuff like this.

[@PhatGirlLuvr68Comix]

@@paulzuniga4256 Well, they've already confirmed that What If is canon so what else are you gonna do? Stop watching?

[@paulzuniga4256]

@@PhatGirlLuvr68Comix no, I’ve already said that I thought the episode was badass. I’m just explaining why there’s nerd rage, and why I think they made a weird decision as far as maintaining their own canon. It’s entirely possible to question literary/film decisions and still want to keep watching the product. But if you wanna keep eating it up without asking why or how things happened, then that’s fine, you do you.

[@yoyomayne]

So Ultron will now be the narrator for the finale since he basically took over. I have a feeling he's gonna invade our universe at any moment. Hope yall are ready

[@Tirannie]

I like this, because it lends to my theory that the reason Ultron takes over and surprises the Watcher is due to the observer effect. The observer being *us*. The reason the watcher narrates things to begin with (and why Ultron was able to hear him). We are the ultimate cause of the end of the multiverse.

[@Exiledspectre]

I love your videos! the only thing I would say about this video is that being lefty when shooting doesn't really matter - it's more about which eye is dominant most of the bow load is in your back, not your arms.

[@Domdrok]

My question was about the cosmic awareness thing, so I'm good. Thanks!

[@alexandertaves2730]

They work inside the multiverse, but not the TVA pocket dimension that exists outside the multiverse... It’s literally the SIMPLEST concept to figure out, even on your own...

[@generalZee]

Both Hulk and Tony DID sacrifice someone they love, though. Hulk may have sacrificed... well Hulk since the next time we see him after Endgame (In the Shang-Chi Post Creds) he was just Bruce Banner again. And Tony gave up his one true love: Tony.

[@PsyrenXY]

lmao

[@SkeleGem]

Counter theory as to why the Watcher was so surprised by the Ultron invasion: The Ultron invasion was already something that was happening and existed, but the Watcher was confused since he hadn’t witnessed Vistron’s (yes, I’m calling him that) rise yet. So, after witnessing the invasion, he went to the Vistron timeline to try and understand what happened and why Vistron is traveling the Multiverse. Doing so indirectly leads to Vistron’s awareness, and the multiversal shenanigans ensue. So long story short, that’s a Vistron who has already encountered Uatu and begun his multiversal conquest, but Uatu hadn’t witnessed his reality yet and is the inciting incident for Vistron’s awareness. So basically, timeloop shenanigans

[@th3_ph4ntomreborn31]

Probably the case

[@submissivekoala]

Such a smooth segue

[@mkocel]

OK BUT YOU DIDNT COVER THE FIRST AND MOST GLARING PLOT HOLE! WHY DID THE TESSERACT TRANSPORT PEGGY 70 YEARS INTO THE FUTURE? ITS THE SPACE STONE, NOT THE TIME STONE!

[@breakfaith3031]

Time is convoluted

[@TheRealAlpha2]

The tesseract didn't, it was just used to power a portal that she got trapped in for 70 years.

[@LineOfThy]

Kept her in stasis

[@kavalkahn]

I think the first is not even a plot hole. Natasha met Zola in Cap 2, searched for the file to see any backup, and discovered the facility with the other WS.

[@sparkius30]

Well done!

[@keuric]

Point by point. “Let’s assume this is the same universe.” Let’s not. There are tens of thousands of universes that Marvel has explored, potentially millions and beyond. “After all, we see that Steve is resistant to government control” […] “if he’s so convinced he knows more than the authority figures” I don’t know what you didn’t get about Steve Rogers, but it appears to be “anything.” Steve Rogers doesn’t trust institutions with agendas, he doesn’t believe the government can own its citizens, and he believes that his life is his life, he will risk it if he has to, if it will do some good. And he’s right, each time. You think he’s gonna turn around and overthrow the government? If you’re basing that off the MCU Steve, I don’t know what narcotics are passed around at Screen Crush, but you’ve had too much. TVA, why didn’t they step in? This video ignores the simple and correct answer that is also the question - Loki’s show not only created a multiverse, but it created it retroactively. With no Immortus to preserve the Holy Timeline, thousands of timelines came into existence, including throughout the history of all of those universes. Once that happened, it allowed this show to exist in all instants of history. As for the enormous, “sail a ship as large as infinity” plot hole, your explanation for the TVA being in the Quantum Realm may be accurate though nothing we see suggests it. But the rest of your explanation is a giant pile of wrong and for the simplest reason - you don’t understand the real implications of the multiverse. The MCU is one universe. But so are the comic books. If it holds true that the comic books basically say “if you have the stones from universe A and go to universe B, they don’t work,” that’s a multiversal rule. One we have seen be completely true over and over and over and over and over and over. Either Marvel made a massive mistake or they’re deciding to break their own rules. Based on everything we have seen for FORTY YEARS this episode was written be an ignorant person. Thanos from Universe 251 can snap Universe 251 out of existence. But if he goes to Universe 252, where Deadpool snapped and made all farts silent but deadly, and Thanos snaps, nothing happens. The infinity stones are part of the fabric of the universe they were made in, it is what gives them such potent power. Different stones were used as that fabric in other universes, so these ones from another universe are essentially inert. That is not an opinion. That is how they have been written. It is objective reality. So Marvel has either decided that the reality that spawned EACH AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE CHARACTERS is wrong, or someone doesn’t have reading comprehension. I’ve read these stories since I was a kid, and this episode that seems to be so lauded is the first episode that I think is downright trash.

[@D4rkRCS]

Your argument is invalid. Noone ever said that comics and MCU are in the same multiverse. They are literally different mediums.

[@TylerSkylionChilders]

Rogers' Running Mate was Howard the Duck.

[@Portersona69420]

That actually makes ALOT of sense, In the comics Howard wanted to run for president, of course he'd lose to Steve freakin' Rogers

[@NotleGaming]

Maybe Thanos got the power stone from the orb so therefore he didn't need to go to Xander, And also he probably scarified Nebula for the soul stone which makes sense seeing how close they were in the previous episodes or maybe he sacrificed ebony maw

[@brentage5000]

Let's break it down. This definitely takes place after Ultron, which according to the MCU timeline was in May 2015. If Guardians was in Aug 2014, then Guardians 2 would be in February 2015, well before Ultron was born. Even if GOTG was concurrent with CA:TWS, it's still well before Sokovia, so the Guardians being there could well have been just a second visit after the one in Guardians 2. This also puts over a year between the Battle of Xandar and this new timeline where Thanos started collecting early for whatever reason. He sacrifices A daughter for the soul stone (Nebula, probably), gets the power stone from a freshly rebuilt Xandar, finds the reality stone in the collector's shop, picks up the time and space stones, then gets sliced by Ultron.

[@rickyuzumaki695]

Yup

[@brianfeldz1797]

I’m sure I’m in the minority. But I can honestly say, I think “What If?” has been mediocre. The writing of some of the episodes was very good, but others, not so much. Which is pretty normal for the MCU which has incorporated some really awful writing at times.