What if Rome Never Existed? Part II: The Fate of Christendom

[@AlternateHistoryHub]

Apologies on this taking literally a month. I was actually sick for three weeks and literally couldn't speak. I lost my voice. So I didn't get to actually record or edit until last week. Pt. III and new videos will be out far sooner.

[@adamamer2795]

AlternateHistoryHub can’t wait!

[@AlgernonCSwinburne]

I do hear a bit of the sickness still in your voice as you talked about in the livestream. Here’s hoping you stay healthy, Cody!

[@remenir97]

AlternateHistoryHub i know this is too early, but please reconsider a video about Ataturk, the founder of the modern Turkish republic. Please...0

[@ArgonPlasma]

Stay safe, dad

[@GmodPlusWoW]

I was wondering why you sounded a little different in this one. Glad to hear that you're doing better now.

[@EmperorTigerstar]

What if Rome never fell but merely stumbled then got back to walking?

[@austenbin4068]

It did. We call it Byzantium. It fell again.

[@Nenerii]

austen bin one extra time he means

[@caseyedwards2331]

What if it took the final step up a staircase thinking there was another one but there wasn't so did a massive STOMP and spooked themselves a little?

[@thechief00]

that's called the crisis of the third century

[@imperialcapital329]

But what if Italy didn’t make spaghetti?

[@willphillips2522]

Part 2 not part II (Rome never existed in our timeline)

[@willphillips2522]

Vertebratefamilies Rock and ruin the joke?

[@imlonelypleasehelp5443]

Will Phillips I’m surprised he didn’t get

[@mitsvanmitsvanio6106]

Part B, Greek numbering is more appropriate I thing.

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

Not enough credit for this comment.

[@kaizermierkrazy6886]

@@Justinian506 you are a fucking idiot

[@superbest8930]

I wish I lived in the alternate history where part 3 was already out

[@Wm7forthewin]

ya

[@boldblues]

Truly, this is the darkest timeline

[@Appolyon]

The number 3 is a myth.

[@Wm7forthewin]

rip, it’s not gonna happen

[@fatalshore5068]

I think Cody could pull it off

[@Unplay4ble]

Back from the wastelands of Atlantropa?

[@icantthinkofaaccountname8124]

Lol wut

[@CloudPixel]

U gotta watch his vids lol

[@CasualPiper]

It's more of a desert than a wasteland

[@pradhanawibisono2432]

@Third time Lucky OMG The saltlands are SOOO in rn. #saltlandss

[@arandomperson8646]

patrolling Atlantropa makes me wish for a nuclear winter

[@danryyuan]

Top 10 sequels we still haven’t gotten: 1. P E T S C O P 2 2. Part. 3 of Rome being MIA

[@alexnlol]

Which one do you want more?

[@toymationstudios8613]

@@alexnlol tough choice

[@Scullex]

Got privated

[@toymationstudios8613]

@@Scullex ikr

[@Scullex]

@@toymationstudios8613 from mia to kia

[@thatfighterguy5846]

Just a quick note: Crucifixion was originally a greek thing, going back to at least 479 BC. It wasn't Roman in origin.

[@benthomason3307]

also fun fact: the japanese independently came up with the same idea, and now crosses are associated with cool and/or mysterious things in Japanese culture.

[@austinsmith3011]

"In antiquity crucifixion was considered one of the most brutal and shameful modes of death. Probably originating with the Assyrians and Babylonians, it was used systematically by the Persians in the 6th century BC." www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14750495

[@Adir-Yosef]

*but remember who made it much more universial*

[@TheFedGuy]

ThatFighterGuy That still proves the fact that Greece dominated Rome culturally.

[@idek6585]

@@austinsmith3011 Which Assyrian Empire?

[@gh0s7-704]

Roman roads, Take me home To the place I belong! West Judea Jewish mama Take me home Roman roads

[@andrewberrocal2281]

Roman 76

[@18idlesuggest]

Here comes a meteor

[@tankaddict9147]

Fall of the Roman Empire, Our future begins!

[@leninscat8830]

@@18idlesuggest Does that include the massive waves? And a man playing City Skylines?

[@18idlesuggest]

@@leninscat8830 certainly, you know him well

[@theStormWeaver]

If I remember right, the Greek colony of Massalia had a strong trade relationship with the Gauls, so much that the Celts adopted Greek as their language of trade. The Celtiberians also traded silver with Carthage, I think.

[@deanfirnatine7814]

Celts had a close relationship with Carthage both trade and as mercenaries for Carthage

[@BluestSoldier]

The celts never used the Greek language. They just used their alphabet to write as they didn't had one.

[@MD.Akib_Al_Azad]

​@@GoCoyoteIslam is monotheistic

[@unknownuser2897]

@@GoCoyoteIslam wouldn’t exist without the influence of Judaism and Christianity.

[@avaevathornton9851]

This alternate Europe would probably feel a lot more like India, with a huge array of religious traditions being somewhat interconnected but lacking any central doctrine or scripture.

[@Vitalis94]

Indeed, that was the first thing that came into my mind as well. Even early medieval Europe was exactly this - pre Christian belives largely mixed with one another.

[@hazzmati]

Arianism would likely be a big thing among the germanic peoples

[@christopherplant6178]

No Christianity means no Arianism either

[@masterguns1750]

@@christopherplant6178 Whys that

[@christopherplant6178]

@@masterguns1750 Arianism was a Christian heresy that denied the divinity of Jesus, started by a deacon Arius from Alexandria, which spread primarily among the Germanic peoples, especially the Goths.

[@benhayward2597]

If Rome never existed, nor would the Judean People's Front.

[@_Drion_]

No its peoples front of judea!

[@Mantis42]

Splitters!

[@neiladam3949]

Naughtius Maximus would never have existed, so Brian would never have existed!

[@OfficialPurbs]

We'd never have the greatest film of all time.. that's a scary thought

[@nerdorama009]

@Илья Ветров I'm a man!

[@GenericUsername223]

*Meanwhile on an alternate timeline:* what if the kingdom of the Celtics never existed

[@guifdcanalli]

Great empire of celtics*

[@trolleymouse]

Animism isn't the worship of animals ... It's from Anima, meaning breath or spirit. It's the belief that the material and spiritual are one and the same. It's where everything, from the rivers and mountains to the villages and households, have spirit to them, and thus can be worshiped.

[@rodlurks66]

I was about to mention this thanks for the better definition that i would have given.

[@everlast282]

You’re wrong as well, animism is the worship of anime

[@darken2417]

Hence animals would also have spirit and hence would fit into this definition. Though yes his definition was rather simplistic. Especially since some of them would have been totemistic or fetishistic as well.

[@darken2417]

@@everlast282 No there is no unified worship in anime. This is divided into genre groups such as the romcominists, elitanimeists, shounenites, moe-nemism, idol-slems and the harem pantheon.

[@princekyros]

@@darken2417 I like the sound of that last one.

[@jr6105]

Without Rome there would be no Christian Minecraft server, heck’s and fricks allowed

[@operandwriter]

They would also be no Minecraft in general.

[@artificialgravitas8954]

@@operandwriter Prob not, but why specifically, did the Bible ever predict the coming of steve?

[@operandwriter]

@@artificialgravitas8954 Steve? I don't play Minecraft so I need clarification.

[@artificialgravitas8954]

@@operandwriter The Character is called Steve I think

[@d3clan679]

Noah Kuruvilla ur a buzzkill

[@tigerstarshockwave9105]

As an Armenian, I was waiting for my country to be mentioned and was very happy when I heard it in the end.

[@tealablu3759]

🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲

[@Sieger1]

If Rome never existed There would be a lot less Romans

[@16garrodp40]

Well duh

[@InfinityMastered]

Thanks Captain Obvious

[@annoyingorang225]

Sieger I stuck my pp in a toaster

[@liloof9658]

No no Rome = more romans

[@elgringo5137]

Sieger Rome peed its poopoo pants

[@connor971]

What if king Harold ii won the battle of Hastings and William the conqueror was defeated instead

[@grandinquisitor8335]

and what if hardrada became king of england

[@italoeide6734]

Well his name wouldn't be William the conqueror. He'd still be William the bastard

[@limpbuisness7122]

italo Eide his bloodline would never be founded also

[@christopherallen4358]

English might actually be a consistent language.

[@jaketheberge1970]

Crusader Kings 2 happens.

[@PatriotMapper]

Rome: *Doesn’t exist* Medieval Europe: *Doesn’t exist* Mongols: ItS fReE rEaL eLaStAtE!

[@theinsaneshowman2045]

Imagine a Europe based of the Mongols instead of Rome

[@f9658]

Judging by how the Europeans like to resist foreign powers (Romans), there would have been crazy numbers of slaughter by the Mongols in Europe. Mongol policy was: Resist and your entire people dies.

[@kairi3177]

@@theinsaneshowman2045 Im surprised that hasn't been made into a alternate history story. That's one I would read

[@FictionHubZA]

​@@theinsaneshowman2045 More throat singing.

[@pathosofmine]

I'm reading the book (atlantropa articles) for my book report for english right now, and all i could tell you is that it's one hell of a good book

[@Domnom22]

On a scale of 1 to fortnite game developers how E P I C is it

[@darkpainter2591]

I'd give it a solid Bethesda.

[@scrubbyismydad2748]

What’s it about

[@silaskryger6204]

@@scrubbyismydad2748 Future Nazi Germans In A Drained Mediterranean Sea Or Something Like That

[@clash3279]

@@Domnom22 unepic

[@dokidoki777]

*_I want 18 more videos on this premise._*

[@Greendayfan666GD]

I second this.

[@Rhomcom]

We could make an entire alternate world out of this.

[@lorenzodocx4021]

we could make a novel out of this

[@Al-cd7zg]

we can make a religion out of this

[@lorenzodocx4021]

no don't

[@hypan0vaULTRA]

Cody...damn... You really went for one of the biggest undertakings with this video and you did it in such an amazing way. I feel like you would've been mentally exhausted after all this. This was like the Citizen Kane of AHH for me, personally. I'd absolutely love to see you do something like this with either Egypt, Greece, Canaan, Assyria, Anatolia, Persia, China or even Mesopotamia. But I understand if that'd as huge an undertaking as this was. Really astounding, dude. For real.

[@thatrandomguy8157]

Maybe the Romans could've used nord vpn

[@carlose4314]

But Nord is Nordic. The Romans called them barbarians.

[@hanz2904]

To design their empire?

[@Tronnyverse]

@@carlose4314 BarbVPN or BarbVPE Victorious Polymath Empire

[@zakback9937]

med vpn

[@oliverbk695]

Cody is gonna be a narrator for a history channel special, I can feel it

[@Prodigi50]

August Von Mackensen As long as it’s not one of the bs shows...

[@tacticalmeme732]

Cody for ancient aliens fuck yeah

[@Filled2105]

Ok so, I'm from Azerbaijan, but damn, isn't that Armenian flag cool. I love it, they should use that one again

[@retf8977]

That's the coat of arms. It could be put on th flag

[@penumbra0182]

@Christian Jarvis not from armenia/azerbaijan, but its a mess

[@MortyMortyMorty]

11:09 Etruscan Boar Vessel 150-250 BC

[@sylendraws1249]

At least the library of Alexandria would still exist without Rome

[@freewilldummies1603]

Alexandria has never been safe especially with Negan still alive Rick should have killed him lmao 😂🤣😅 jk

[@BVKrealitycheck]

Not nessisarily, this whole series seems to suggest another militaristic power couldnt come out of the italian peninsula and use etruscan tech to get as far as north africa or that another power would come to unite the mediteranean in any way. The library couldve been burned in lots of ways, but its not the answer you were looking for... a battle between the plotomacs and arabians who most likely not be a fan of place were people could be become educated enough to retaliate would come eventually.

[@paranoidowl3085]

FREE Will Dummies! 😂😂😂

[@Daplin1]

The fire caused by ceasers fight didn't burn down the library. It still functioned after his death.

[@benthomason3307]

actually that's a common myth. the alexandrian library wasn't burned down, it just sorta withered away over time.

[@Lawnio]

2019, still waiting for part3

[@brassmonkey8371]

alternate history is just fanfiction for history lovers

[@christopherplant6178]

True. But alternate histories are a requirement for choice to truly exist, and therefore free will

[@RC15O5]

Due to their real-life placement and the complexities it carries, detailed alternate history scenarios provide a good thought experiment to expand your mind and better consider the state of the world. Unfortunately, most only care about WW2 and fail to look elsewhere.

[@RedLeader327]

Nothing wrong with that.

[@orraklbenedict1832]

+RC15O5 true

[@Sara3346]

Truth, but this guy writes it well.

[@williamwall1540]

Next "what if the Kaiserreich scenario happened (Hoi4 mod)" would be nice to see :)

[@2Hatzzz]

Lore Reader he already did what if Germany won WW1

[@keizervanenerc5180]

The Kaiserreich lore is so rich there isn't much to talk about anymore, unless you talk about long term changes after one of the "ends" of Kaiserreich. So Reichspact/Allies victorious or Communists victorious.

[@neine999]

@@keizervanenerc5180 you mean communists/russians

[@geennaam555]

Oh, the Mongols wouldn't care, they'd invade anyway!

[@red2theelectricboogaloo961]

they'd probably go farther, though

[@selahanany5645]

who would invade? wait for it: the mongols.

[@donquesewilliamswilliams3497]

Khan dont care

[@guifdcanalli]

To be fair rome influenced a lot the mongols The expansionist and militaristic ideals of rome were adopted by the eastern roman empire and then by the muslims Then they influenced the east a lot, probably Genghis khan would never come to be if there wasnt a roman empire

[@kadenelijah9329]

@@guifdcanalli I feel like that’s a bit of a stretch but maybe

[@MrTeniguafez]

How would Christianity even exist, in any form, in this timeline? As you said, the Jesus story is inextricably tied with Roman rule in Judea and I don't think any breakaway messianic cults (of which there were many OTL and probably would be many ITTL) would bear more than a passing resemblance to Christianity. Similarly, I doubt Islam exists in the first place without Christianity; Islam's goal was to produce a "purified" or "uncorrupted" Abrahamic faith, which wouldn't make sense in a world without Christianity.

[@christopherplant6178]

Yes! Finally someone who can appreciate the Butterfly Effect!

[@MogofWar]

Judaism and Christianity were not the only Abrahamic faiths at the dawn of Islam. Christianity or some variant might have still reached Arabia.

[@logancarlile8895]

MrTeniguafez Jesus was only executed by the Romans because the Jewish council kept asking them to do it. They didn’t have the legal authority to execute someone, so they had to appeal to the romans to do it, which they eventually did. If you accept Jesus as a historical figure, it’s entirely possible the Jewish establishment would have executed him. In this sense it’s still entirely possible for a group of people to pop up worshipping this guy who died for his beliefs And your idea of Islam is ridiculous. Islam as we know it did not exist when Muhammed conquered Arabia, and in fact many agree it was just a local interpretation of various Arabic gods mixed with abrahamic beliefs that spread from the Levant. Muhammed’s conquests were spurred on by an early appearance of the Black Plague, which destabilized urban areas. Arabia was not an urban area and thus was mostly unaffected from the plague, early Islamic conquests were spurred more by opportunity and a 1/1000000 political situation, not by religious fervor because the religion of Islam did not fully exist at this time. It only really started to solidify into a distinct, separate abrahamic faith when the Arabs conquered Syria from the Byzantines. It was not designed as a “pure” form of Christianity, and is a coagulation of so many factors it’s impossible to list them all. Islam as it exists today, meaning the various beliefs and traditions often associated with it, only really *began* to develop in the 9th century.

[@jaydienparks5658]

@Mohamed Mo ikr the probability of Christianity spreading far with out Rome is very low like 0.1 to 0.0001 percent

[@jaydienparks5658]

@Mohamed Mo also Christianity has held back advancement in Europe so this timeline could be better in some ways Christianity largely stigmatized homosexuality for example

[@hankcyrus9776]

There is no doubt that carthage would face ptolomeic egypt on the seas and that carthage would probably beat them the first round, forcing them to give up a few trading colonies

[@h3lblad3]

Yeah, he didn't cover an expanded Carthage at all. Carthage would have likely done a huge amount of trading in the east. It's very possible that that Christians could end up spreading across the Mediterranean simply by way of Paul (and/or Peter) heading to Carthage rather than Rome. Christianity in such a timeline would then have had a much larger role in Africa, though a significantly reduced role in Northern Europe.

[@clerickolter]

I posted on this but they were not conquerors likely with Egypt they would open trade, used intermarriage and the 'possible threat' of war the unpleasant alternative to the former peaceful options. And Carthage would have expanded trade to the British Isles and other regions I'm sure just without the military conquest Rome depended on if peace failed so would have faired better. Take the Picts they liked the goods Rome had and some things but were disrespected odds are Carthage would have a couple trade towns and cities and respected the local rulers and faiths, focusing on making money. But would also have armies and a navy to show strength enough to be respected as friends and not weak.

[@Marcusjnmc]

@@h3lblad3 see part 1

[@CommanderM117]

@@clerickolter the Celt were united by religion the druids it very likely seeing how Carthage empire was going the Celts would do the same and even help them with there military and form a Celtic Empire across northern Europe

[@younghannibal7434]

So true

[@Alex-ru4rv]

I love how Cody's voice is so much more intense in this.

[@muatra3651]

The production value on this one is amazing. I got chills during the opening. Great job, Cody!

[@nodosa994]

Wait, you did not mention the rise of the Parthian and Sassanid empire. The Iranians are in my opinion the greatest rivals to Rome, next to the Germanic people.

[@LionKing-ew9rm]

Exactly.

[@artificialgravitas8954]

Persia goes christian, Islam also happens, they fight in that world too, but Europe might be spared their stupidity

[@acrocanthasaurusisbae6368]

But would they even rise? since the seleucids would still be in control and would still heavily hellenize the area I am just assuming this would happen imo

[@sjuthberg]

@@artificialgravitas8954 Without Rome, no christianity nor islam to plunge the world into darkness.

[@artificialgravitas8954]

@@sjuthberg Sounds like a good deal to my despite being a Romaphile

[@liamjordaan673]

Love the new editing and animations! Can definitely see you are putting A LOT of work in editing too!

[@titanicww2345]

Attention Christian gamers Rome needs your help.

[@myohmy9000]

titanicww2345 To spread the glory of Roma Invicta across Europe, but to do this, he needs the support of the one true Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and a couple of chugjugs. To help the empire, all it needs is your credit card number, the three digits on the back, and the expiration month and year. But, you gotta be quick, so that Constantine can achieve the true glory of Roma Invicta.

[@LostArchivist]

@BMAN488877 Then we shall just craft it! Now how did you evoke the state of essentia to call forth these miniature stars within your mirror so as to reflect that which, is not, as though it were?

[@reymichaelsungazornosa4040]

@BMAN488877 r/whoooosh

[@barelyfree9427]

A Roman made it to the water! :P

[@MrWolfman229]

Great video man! As an Eastern Orthodox Christian, I appreciated the approach you took. Glad we share similar faiths!

[@brownbear992]

I feel like this video, more than any of your other ones really makes you realize that the path our history took is incredible

[@SupremeLeaderKimJong-un]

Julius Caesar’s worst nightmare

[@realpolitics527]

Hello glorious leader !

[@JediAcolyte94]

What if Hernan Cortez failed to destroy the Aztec Empire? What if Hawaii never became a state? What if Manifest Destiny never happened?

[@darken2417]

1. You mean liberate the people subjugated by the Aztec city-state? 2. Hawaii is a state? 3. It didn't, Canada is still here.

[@aiso9198]

Darken De la Espada yeah sure liberate them

[@Reverse-Isekai_Victim]

@@darken2417 If you define "liberating them" by imposing a new regime on them, destroying most of their cultures and religions, and by inadvertently spreading diseases that wiped out most of them, then yes, he 'liberated' those peoples.

[@veitdalee4810]

Inevitable Inevitable Inevitable

[@gamaliellysandercabria7856]

You meant what if the America didn't depose the last legitimate monarch of Hawaii??

[@bjornf8518]

Viking runes are believed to be based on a mix of Greek and Roman alphabets, so without Rome, it's unlikely the runes would have the shape we know; they might not even exist.

[@WrecklessEating]

When not in Rome......

[@KiraSlith]

Do what the non-Romans do.

[@heronb.4965]

bang Caligoola

[@grubbybum3614]

I think we would say "When in the Balkans". The Balkans would be the centre of Europe.

[@princekyros]

@@grubbybum3614 the Balkans would have either ended up as Greek territories or the same backwater as they are today.

[@grubbybum3614]

@@princekyros. Yes, the they would have absorbed trade and culture from Greece. And when Greece eventually fell, the swathes of land and vast Celtic population would see the Balkans as the capital for a Celtic empire.

[@justinjernigan5696]

"Judea conquered Rome culturally." If you listen really closely, you can hear Trajan screaming from the afterlife.

[@Bengy.]

You mean Hadrian?

[@sarahh4272]

If you listen you can hear me screaming in jew

[@woodythesoldat7875]

Do an alternate history video of if Australia won the Emu War

[@Inkognito91]

Mars settlements in 2012

[@djw07williams84]

no I like the great emu empire

[@justinkurtz8229]

Woody The Soldat what was the Emu War?

[@MikuFutaba]

@@justinkurtz8229 Farmers paid the Australian government to "go to war" with the emus (yes, the birds) for trampling farmland and eating crops. Three soldiers and two cameramen (for propaganda) were sent to take care of the entire emu population in (at least western) Australia. Since the soldiers were trained to fight humans and not birds, they only had a kill count of around 15 during the first campaign. A second campaign was launched later, where they were slightly more successful, but still surrendered to the emus. After the failure of both anti-emu campaigns, the Australian government (now secretly run by the emus, btw) decided to put a bounty on emus instead of using their own men and resources. The loss of the Emu war was devastating to Australia, as it lead to the creation of the Great Emu Empire, 180 degree rotation of Australia, and the true beginning of World War II.

[@doopboop8359]

Watchout theres gonna be 2 birds knocking on your door later

[@HighlanderJosh]

This is what I've been waiting for! Great video! I can't wait for part3 and really soak in the amazing alternate-history has to offer!

[@justafaniv1097]

That Armenia might still have adopted Christianity, and that they stood to become a much larger power in this alternate timeline leads me to think we haven't seen the last of the region going into part 3.

[@darken2417]

Assuming that main technological leaps will take far far longer and come from China. Western/Northern Europe will remain barbar-land, Carthage will remain stagnant but very open to trade, fertile crescent will be filled with war perhaps dominated by Armenia, and Asia will be the one to advance civilization but again far far later and would reach the Americas. Americas would remain super-barbarland except for Chinese colonization.

[@s.p5159]

The point about Greek culture being unable to spread kind of ignores Greek colonialism - such as their settlements in Gaul actually like Massilia

[@deanfirnatine7814]

Excepting Alexander they never really went beyond the coast, any influence would not be direct

[@mikehunt3436]

@@deanfirnatine7814 You have no understanding or appreciation of the Greek situation that gave rise to Greek colonialism or how Alexander and his campaigns transformed it. For example, there were so many Greeks in the area of modern Afghanistan/ Northern Pakistan that Chandragupta had his stone edicts written in Greek. I am not even going to recite the various cities around the Levant created by the Greeks in the wake of Alexander. In a way, Rome's invasion of Greek and the Levant was a god-send to the Greek city people, who by the mid 200s were devolving into the same conditions that lead to Alexander the Great. Just imagine another great Greek leader, knowning Alexander reached "the end of the world" travelling east, decided to just go west.

[@forgetful9845]

@@mikehunt3436 Good points, but Alexander was extremely unique. I highly doubt circumstances purely would have led to the birth of someone like him.

[@mikehunt3436]

@@forgetful9845 At the time Rome invaded Greece there were several strong possible unifiers of Greece, the League of Aetolia, the League of Achea, and Philip V of Macedon. Granted Rome was better than all of them and even in the face of Rome conquested they refused to cooperate, but we are talking about a world without Rome in which any one of those 3 factions could have united Greece and marched westward, especially the Aetolians, who in many ways created a polity similar to the Roman Republic.

[@Lol0Wut]

Wow, really impressed with the production quality of this one Cody! Especially the voiceover

[@nayandusoruth2468]

So basically Europe is split in between North and South, with the south being divided in between eastern greek mediterranean, and western Carthaginian Mediterranean, both southern civilisations being centres of trade, knowledge and culture, whilst the North develops as a mosaic of tribes and kingdoms, worshiping their own pantheons. I like how this is going...

[@christopherplant6178]

Too basic. Greece and Phoenicia had colonies on both sides of the Med: Massalia (Marseille) and Emporion (Empuries) were Greek, while Lebanon, western Sicily and Cyrenaica had Phoenician colonies

[@darken2417]

Correction: The north is just barbar-land but not nearly as bad as super-barbar-land(Americas).

[@thatguy6482]

So like Korea?

[@thedarkmaster4747]

HellenicNationalist Carthage would've contested them.

[@jaydienparks5658]

@HellenicNationalist I'm not sure if this a better or worse europe

[@khizarkhan4250]

Why was part 3 up then got taken down as private?

[@BlazingRoman]

It appears to be up again

[@steelyarseface6861]

Dude, I'm digging this multivideo discussion. Such massive topics deserve all the time they can afford

[@whimiskii3270]

If Rome didn't exist then Roman Reigns wouldn't be a thing. And WWE might become watchable again.

[@michaelmccarthy3807]

Yes you don't like WWE...because of a man with cancer who hasn't been on TV recently and won't anytime soon.

[@whimiskii3270]

@@michaelmccarthy3807 its a joke

[@ToucanSonofSam333]

Nah it's still a G rated shit show

You do realize he's out for a really long time...with leukemia.

[@JourneyToTheCage]

Michael McCarthy just because someone suddenly has cancer doesn’t mean they are free from regular criticism

[@griffinmoreland]

Just bought your book! The summary sounds excellent and I can't wait to read it!

[@s.p5159]

I don't think Christianity would have taken off at all without Rome because the narrative of foreign oppression was so powerful in its initial stages. To an independent Judea this would just not apply. At most, I believe Christianity would become merely a minor school of thought in Judaism. Most likely it would never survive if it occurred at all.

[@thatonecunt6722]

Hi Ben, Can you leave?

[@cronus_dw7075]

Greetings Ben, but could you please excuse yourself?

[@artificialgravitas8954]

@@cronus_dw7075 What is wrong with you guys?

[@howardlanus8610]

Not to mention even if it did, it would have taken MUCH longer to spread outward, having to convert dozens of kingdoms and tribes, with each conversion being slightly different from the others. If it DID emerge, it would have been largely restricted to the eastern Mediterranean and it would have been FAR more diverse than in our timeline. Imagine missionaries tailoring their message to fit with the Arabs, the Greeks, the Persians, the Armenians, etc.

[@christianali5431]

Jesus would probably still be considered the son of God to many Christians. Biggest differences he would not be white… Or even considered white.

[@spider_hunter8323]

You know the increase in Cody’s production value is insane compared to when I first subbed

[@Holtkid13]

Coming as someone who doesn't really believe in religion. I truly appreciate your objective in youre videos. From one history lover to another. Thank you.

[@teh_dank-side0fthemoon786]

Little Caesars dose NOT approve

[@oneofmanyparadoxfans5447]

Pizza Pizza

[@ThatOneMan830]

I think, as a Jew, that you skipped one very, very, very important factor about Jesus and all of that: We would still have the Beit HaMikdash. Without the diaspora, we would have remained a temple-focused religion, and have had a central state with something to rally around. I can honestly see a strange kind of small empire of Judea forming in the area, focused on defending the land of Israel and the temple, while serving as a gathering place for our faith. Who knows? It might have gone on to become a notable power in the region and the general Eastern Med.

[@apoet7738]

Probably an alternatehistoryhub video in a different world “what if Rome conquered the Mediterranean”

[@macaroon_nuggets8008]

It would probably be more like, "What if Carthage was more militaristic."

[@frankdecron1306]

When you go from being on tier with alternativehistorypt to a million subbed channel that get’s on the trending tab and makes alternative history more mainstream

[@michaelangelo3647]

I was watching the past episodes in anticipation of part three, and then you made the video private.... What's the deal.

[@ExceptionallyUndersizedThanos]

Cody had an idea of uploading the video early. He changed his mind.

[@MrPolandball]

What if the Floridian peninsula never existed?

[@alexchop3934]

MrPolandball the U.S would have a lot less weird news headlines

[@TheSpearkan]

wait 100 years and find out

[@Alter-Ego1995]

What if everywhere except Boise, Idaho never existed

[@brc9739]

@@alexchop3934 fun fact! The reason so many strange stories come from Florida is because Florida doesn't censor the crimes commited and is allowed to publish them, unlike some other states. There are just as many weirdos in the world :)))

[@HorseloverFat1984]

No 'Florida man' memes :(

[@co2blast996]

So essentially this is ck2's shattered world feature

[@TheWolfboy180]

CO2blast More like the start date of Imperium Universalis

[@Debre.]

8:47 Yay! Norway made it to the video. :D

[@KangarooCheese55]

S. A. Debre are you Norwegian?

[@blockyuniverseproductions]

By the way, Greek religion was the same as Celtic religion for a while (separate and highly localized) until someone compiled all the local myths into a single mythos. It may be possible that the Celts could have a similar event happen down the road as kingdoms are built.

[@TrwWilson]

Just got your book all the way here in Australia, just started reading and already digging it!

[@TheOtherWhiteNerd]

It feels weird watching this a week before Christmas...

[@Ibzibuh]

Nice video, its dramatic but not overboard. It’s the perfect amount to keep you on edge. Nice job!

[@Colddirector]

"The closest I could say is [European gods were] like the Native Americans before colonization." That's ironic.

[@KingDerpy13]

That is extremely ironic now that I think about it. Holy shit XD

[@mantea3481]

Where do you think the Europeans got there sweet colonizing from?

[@sirwilczek1813]

Im early, let me think of a joke Ottomans claiming to be the succesors of Rome EDIT: Almost 200 likes? That escalated quickly

[@docslastname2711]

SIRWilczek A even better joke, Holy Roman Empire claiming to be successors of Rome.

[@ObjectManiacJennifer27]

An even better joke, The Western Roman Empire.

[@docslastname2711]

ObjectManiacLewis 27 The west could have been saved.

[@VoxHispania]

what about RUSSIAN Empire

[@siulseven1096]

Benito Mussolini claiming to be the emperor of rome

[@heathurban9217]

Wow the production value of this video is above any other of your videos that i have seen.

[@roguegamer1173]

Let’s get a RIP for the Roman Catholic Church.

[@VoxHispania]

press f for pope boi

[@tuxedosteve1904]

No but R.I.P roman mythology.

[@miguelpadeiro762]

RIP Traumatized Boys

[@Oaglor]

@@tuxedosteve1904 Roman mythology is just Greek mythology with different names anyway.

[@tuxedosteve1904]

@@Oaglor i dont care.

[@hippattyhoppatus3909]

Do one on what if North America never existed and Columbus made it to Asia

[@tylermech66]

he'd have died about a month further into his journey, and nothing of value would be lost.

[@pompeyhater9973]

What if Mussolini worked at a pizza place in Brooklyn?

[@rimfire8217]

What if he stayed a school teacher? What if Hitler stayed in art school? What if Stalin became a priest?

[@fattynorun]

Any chance of releasing part 3 or making it visible to everyone please

[@joshguest1104]

He did release it two hours before you made this comment. The vid's private now and im upset

[@mate_salamanca]

@@joshguest1104 yep

[@jacobderamo9187]

Please make a sequel to your first book. IT WAS SO GOOD!!

[@HandidoorusMaximus]

Jesus Christ! The production value in your videos is skyrocketing! 😱 I was absolutely hooked for the whole video!

[@danyalchowdhury2833]

Wow a video about religion that’s not demonitized

[@Perririri]

Normie

[@arthurmouradyan2446]

I get super happy every time you mention Armenia :)

[@AndranikMuse]

Hayastan!

[@tonyhood25]

November 2019, still holding on for Part III, mate! Will stay hopeful!

[@pinkyshboi9322]

Could you say something about Dacia in the next one , plsss ?

[@Amesang]

This is honestly making me want to play Dungeons & Dragons or Dangerous Journeys using Gary Gygax's post-Greyhawk setting, _Mythus_ - a.k.a., "The Epic of Ærth," which is set on a magical, hollow-world version of medieval Earth that, among other things, lacks monotheistic religions, includes fantastical lands such as Atlantis and Lemuria, and has a direct connection to the "Phæree" realm. On Ærth the Roman Empire still rose and fell, but the world of 1018 ᴀᴀғ is a bit different from our own; the "British Isles" remain predominately Celtic with little-to-no Anglo-Saxon influence, Egypt is still ruled by the pharaohs, and the most common language is "Trade Phoenician," among other things…

[@LeoOtaku98]

From now on this is my favorite KZbin channel!

[@xoose]

So ah, I can't help but notice it's been 8 months now and still no part 3.

[@TheNavid001]

I feel like the Parthians and their contribution to defeating the Seleucid Empire is worth talking about as well

[@dannyrashid-dara4046]

Dear Alternate History Hub. I love your videos and content, and especially adore your voice. Your voice adds charm to already interesting topics and I can't thank you enough for what you do.

[@homuraakemi1684]

"Israel wasn't stable." Well, glad to see that's changed.

[@ZuLKiNG]

Relatively.....Our politics are absurd, and our bureaucracy is kafkaesque

[@homuraakemi1684]

I was being sarcastic

[@kghostone]

Eh, St. Paul would find a way, the man would have viewed spreading the faith as a happy challenge from his Savior.

[@fixafix69]

It's all fake buddy, a "truth" that needs so many coincidence to be discovered isn't really a truth

[@jcxkzhgco3050]

He’d have been killed earlier by the hostile Jewish leaders

[@sdastoryteller3381]

I'm with you on that. The Apostles really believed what they preached, and lack of roads wouldn't have truely stopped them. It may have been slower just like "civilizing" Europe, but a faith whose motivated to spread wouldn't be so easily discouraged.

[@brodyvelic4825]

So..Part 3? Love the work man!!

[@amit2767]

you have a small mistake in the video in 4:50 . the Jews asked the Romans to take control and replace the king

[@ZuLKiNG]

Yep..Succession crisis

[@mowm88]

That was pretty good. I appreciated the effort here. I'm curious what would happen with the Carthaginians without Rome hanging round.

[@rec9264]

Thank you Cody. i'm already excited about next chapter.

[@DeadBaron]

Wouldn't the Persians and Greeks have filled Rome's shoes and have built roads and improved ships on their own? Rome was HEAVILY influenced by them.

[@robertjarman3703]

Probably not so much expanding as west as they did, but that task would likely have happened with the Carthaginians. The northern tribes had already in the previous few hundred years been adopting many and quick improvements in technology and social organizations, such as the use of iron, good chariots, and complex trade, powerful chiefs, and full fledged cities and towns. What we call civilization sprang up all around the world, and there is no reason to think that it wouldn't happen without Rome in the North. Trade would still happen, especially when using river systems, and ideas would still spread. Also, FYI, the Persians were no longer that Persian at this point politically, they were the Parthians, later the Sassanians, both heavily influenced by Hellenization.

[@Vitalis94]

Yeah, of course, but Persians or Greeks would have very little incentive to expand into Central Europe, for example. Expansion into the Balkans or Italian peninsula would be the limit of their conquest, IMHO.

[@kerankerai7872]

No because Rome was different to the Greek they built things people needed not what it wanted

[@shadowthehedgehog3113]

@@robertjarman3703 The Parthians were a Northeastern Iranian tribe that ruled the Persians as well. The Sassanids were the second Persian empire and they were anti-Hellenism.

[@Marcusjnmc]

they weren't interested with war with the gauls who dominated northern & central europe, since they were focused on the trade riches of the mediterranean & sea lanes, it may have happened though it isn't likely, Carthage may have spread influence up to Albion but they were largely focused on trade enclaves & were unlikely to have conquered.

[@NeilG2023]

Hey Cody, I have an alternative history suggestion. What if Persia won the Greek-Persian wars? Would this have affected the Greek states, the Mediterranean and the rise of Rome? I could imagine no rise of Alexandria the Great and the abolishment of slavery under Persian rule. What else do you predict? I think this would be interesting to explore! Especially, since Persia was known for their tolerance and progression in maths, science and philosophy.

[@lienfueris771]

This is me 1yr in the future and still waiting for part 3

[@was023]

Why did you delete part 3 of this series?

[@mate_salamanca]

ikr

[@ExceptionallyUndersizedThanos]

Cody had an idea of uploading the video early. He changed his mind.

[@sirgusdaddyix4729]

Loving this mini series that you're making, I'm excited to see the next one. While it looks like you'll be focusing on Islamic influence and Eastern Invasions, I am curious on your thoughts about Carthage at this point in the timeline and onward. Historical Spoilers Ahead? I'm not too familiar with the Moor Invasions in Northern Africa and the Middle East (anyone can correct me if I'm wrong about whether or not it was an actual invasion) that helped spread the Islamic faith at the time. I would have to guess that if Carthage was still around and the Moors progressed, there would be resistance, resulting in a war against empires; Having said that, I wonder if Carthage would hold them back with their famed Numidian Cavalry and War Elephants, dampening Muslim influence throughout Spain and into Western Europe. If that's the case, would Carthage's religion spread throughout Europe overtime, as they influence the barbarian tribes through their trade. With the western empire being naval-based, maybe they could stretch farther along Europe and Africa, colonizing the coastal regions to build trade routes and change the continents like the vikings did in the 10th-11th century, this is assuming Carthage didn't conquer the Hellenistic nations and grew too large that it fell. This is also assuming that the Moors didn't succeed or even decide to conquer Eastern Europe and continue to spread the Islamic faith from there. Also if either religions spread into barbarian tribes, I'm sure there would be resistance as well. I'd be interested to hear anyone's thoughts on this as well. Something about cause and effect scenarios just fascinate me, especially in terms of history. I also think Carthage is pretty underrated and deserves a little spotlight, but you could probably tell :D .

[@zhcultivator]

Interesting, I think the Iberian peninsula would have been culturally integrated/assimilated to Carthage's culture and might result in Southern Europe being more trade-focused in general.

[@sirgusdaddyix4729]

@@zhcultivator do you think that would advance diplomatic efforts and reduce the amount of military actions throughout the Mediterranean then? And throughout the world once the exploration age arrives? It goes without saying that there are a HUGE number of factors to dictate such a claim, but that being said, it’s a fascinating idea that an ancient form of globalism would take place in an alternate timeline.

[@Mars30999]

Your music choice is once again on point

[@kingalfred1812]

What if Sir Oswald Mosley became the prime minister of Great Britain before WW2.

[@comicsans1689]

Britain would have ditched their pussy ally France and probably salvaged the remains of the British Empire. WW2 would probably have been avoided, at least on the European front. Or if WW2 still happened, the new Axis would have been Britain, Deutschland, and Spaghetti land. France might be ballsy enough to declare war on Deutschland, but they would get their asses kicked and promptly surrender. Poland stills gets gangbanged by Deutschland and Soviet Union, but Britain doesn't help. There's a chance that Britain convinces America to join the Axis, unless they get {{Pearl Harbored}} first. The Cold War would definitely look a whole lot different.

[@dailymass4924]

@@comicsans1689 Poland didn't need to get stomped, they could've just given German Danzig and Poznan back and they could've reattained autonomy under German protection. Perhaps the Germans invading the Soviet Union was inevitable, but the war in the west was easily avoidable... in fact it was the British who caused it with their absurd guarantees to Poland that they had no power to uphold.

[@artificialgravitas8954]

Hail Mosley!