What if Sauron reclaimed the One Ring? - If Sauron were victorious

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

How do you imagine Sauron's world would have looked like? Thanks to Teleperónwë MC, TheCapitaineMax, Domenic Minniti, John Smith, Forrest Johnson, Lucas Devick, Paradox, Observer, Otto Sol, Samuel-A001, Gabriel Yalap and Gigi Quillian for their support! I very much appreciate the support who goes directly into funding my artists! Consider supporting me here: www.patreon.com/join/LOME

[@TheAcunianGamer]

Probably one of ultimate industrial efficiency, like an ant colony with no independence left and all would ultamately become fully subservient in mind to sauron, building his empire untill he would move for and eru's place as the one, at which he would ofcourse then fail.

[@Valdagast]

I think some combination of Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, only with far more control over the population.

[@totmgsrockxd9900]

It would definitely be a cruel slaver dictatorship that would casually commit mass genocide while using the survivors as objects, plus Sauron's regime would utterly destroy the environment, thus there would be labor camps across the charred lands of Middle-earth full of slaves.

[@zendakongaming5159]

Wonder how Sauron would fight to unnamed ones

[@zendakongaming5159]

Come to think of it, what about the south west? Would the ents there rebel? Is there another race near the arctic regions that would give sauron a run for his money? What if the few rebels joined with titans and the unnamed ones for a final battle?

[@grandadmiralzaarin4962]

Sauron gets the One Ring, eradicates unemployment overnight lol

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

"Good guy Sauron creates millions of jobs"

[@lucasholguin6109]

*🌋* "Oh no the economy!"

[@gfilmer7150]

Sauron will bend the knee or be destroyed

[@grandadmiralzaarin4962]

@@gfilmer7150 Stannis is the One True King

[@gfilmer7150]

@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 Long Live The King. His men will go full Bittersteel in order to put his daughter on The Throne.

[@gandalftehdank6052]

The last time I was this early, I was still called Olorin.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

I love to see such comments in my feed. Keep it up Maia from the utmost West!

[@denniscleary7580]

I always wondered what would happen if he got absolute control with the one ring, I always imagine that he would conquest too far out and start exploring the void and probably awaken a dark and ancient power. That would make for an amazing book and story.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Even with the One Ring, he could simply not overcome the Valar tho :) But yes, it would have been an interesting story Dennis!

[@denniscleary7580]

@@LoreOfTheRingsYT very true.

[@Seriously_Unserious]

@@LoreOfTheRingsYT That would defintely make for an amazing story, Sauron, the Dark Lord and his evil Mordor Empire vs the dark things from the void, evil fights evil. There could be irony in such a story, as those dark and evil powers end up being the disruption to Sauron's dominance over all that it breaks his Mordor Empire and allows freedom to eventually raise up again in the vacuum of power that would create.

[@serendal]

I played to lord of the ring age of conquest so I imagine clearly how Sauron's world is.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

I never played that game sadly, was it for the PS3? Always wanted to try that

[@serendal]

@@LoreOfTheRingsYT Yeah I got it in my PS3, the Sauron's campaign is awesome.

[@denniscleary7580]

I second that, the game was amazingly fun.

[@Misantroph0]

Lotr conquest evil campaign basically tells the biggest what if ever. After frodo puts on the ring at mount doom, sauron orders the nazgul to reclaim the ring. The remaining nazgul revive the witch king, and together the nine are heading to mount doom, enter the forging chamber, kill frodo and sauron gets his ring back. Boom. Darkness rules forever.

[@KTChamberlain]

Imagine if the Nazgul did return the Ring to Sauron and then as soon as he took physical form again (humor me on this) his hands had no fingers, dampening his "victory". After all, what good is a ring if you don't have a finger to put it on? He'd probably have to resort to turning his ring into a toe ring.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

xD The One Toe to rule them all!

[@morgulstower5839]

Sauron carried the ring with no body after his body was destroyed by Eru Illuvatar and I think attaining the One Ring could very well allow him to regrow his finger.

[@morgulstower5839]

Peter Jackson just put the scene in the movie in with Sauron dying after the ring was cut from Saurons hand for dramatic effect even tho it's nonsensical as is the Witch-King overpowering Gandalf and breaking his staff

[@tahmidreza5994]

🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂

[@genericcommenter1267]

c o c k r i n g

[@Tyrantlizard127]

I really like your accent, dude. It fits the narrative very well.

[@MrAlias-oc8uk]

If Sauron won the War of the Ring, I'm inclined to believe he would have exterminated the Orcs. They're stupid, useless, and weak. He would much prefer to rule Men.

[@oldmangranny5oldmangranny56]

Ikr. Like one swish of a sword and 10 orcs die instantly.

[@ingold1470]

It does make me wonder if the Men he rules gradually become more Orc-like if he gets his way, just like the vegetation around MInas Morgul is corrupted.

[@shanenolan8252]

Very good point about sauron with the ring given how powerful he was without , I agree with your assessment of what he would have done after his victory too makes logical sense based on the text

[@MemoryTroll]

Epic, my friend! Great video!

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Thank you mellon! Glad you enjoy it!

[@RaulMartinez-rr6wh]

I disagree that all the land would be destroyed even in mordor to the south east Saucony had fertile lands to keep the slaves and orcs fed so I don't imagine all the lands being destroyed

[@Seriously_Unserious]

I agree, not even Sauron would be so stupid as to allow all fertile lands to be ruined and polluted. His empire could not exist if there's no one to rule over, and once those he rules face an existential threat like starvation, they'll become far less compliant, maybe even downright rebellious. It's a known fact that lack of access to food is one of the most sure ways of triggering a rebellion in real life history. Sauron would not want that sort of chaos, so he'd ensure sufficient arable farmlands are left fertile enough to feed his empire and keep his subjects fat and compliant. For that reason, I think Sauron would probably enslave the hobbits of The Shire, but not kill them, he'd get the reports of how fertile their lands are and how good they are at farming them and The Scouring of The Shire would have been done by Sauron's Empire rather then "Sharky" and his ragtag band of thugs. The hobbits would be slaves with little hope of obtaining freedom and would work Mordors farms in The Shire to feed the northwestern parts of the Empire.

[@tominiowa2513]

@@Seriously_Unserious - Middle Earth would end up looking like rural central Illinois - mono-culture crop fields within a grid of access roads.

[@Seriously_Unserious]

@@tominiowa2513 Most likely.

[@zero1zerolast393]

@@Seriously_Unserious Your right, starvation is a big reason for rebellion. Now ask yourself this, how did those county get to that point

[@Seriously_Unserious]

@@zero1zerolast393 Sometimes it can be natural causes like flood or drought, but more often it's war that disrupts farming, or oppressions that takes away too much of the food.

[@NOIDEAIWILLJUSTUSEHAILEYIGUESS]

Woah another great video in the same week. Thanks for the content!

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Thanks Hailey! I want to let you know that I intend to start uploading twice a week :)

[@xVxStriderxVx]

I love seeing these what if scenarios, please make more :DD

[@EuroUser1]

For decades, I believed the War of the Ring might have gone the wrong way, should the free peoples had been slightly less lucky. This is the first time I learn that there was a deity watching over the whole process.

[@tominiowa2513]

When I first read LOTR there was no way to know this (unless one was in Tolkien's inner circle), since it was a year before the Silmarillion was published.

[@halldin7412]

As always a great video my friend! It's always very interesting to see what would have happened if things went different.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Thank you mellon Halldin! I agree, I plan to make more scenarios in the future :)

[@halldin7412]

@@LoreOfTheRingsYT That is great to hear! It would be interesting to see what could have happened if the dwarves managed to defeat the Balrog and recolonized Khazad-dûm after the battle of Azanubilzar or with the expedition of Balin. How could this have changed the outcome of the quest of the ring or other future events?

[@tominiowa2513]

@@halldin7412 - The trip of the Fellowship under the Misty Mountains would have been much slower, since Gimli and Gandalf would be stopped every few minutes for a chat with old relatives, friends, and acquaintances.

[@halldin7412]

@@tominiowa2513 You are right about that but Gandalf would habe still been with the fellowship then. They would have gotten new supplies and maybe even some Mithril equipment to protect them from the threats of the future

[@shanenolan8252]

Thanks my friend , I was asleep when this dropped haven't had a time till now been looking forward to watching it .

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Ah, hope you had a nice nap :)

[@shanenolan8252]

@@LoreOfTheRingsYT I did was having insomnia for a couple of days fell asleep finally slept for around 15 hours straight , feeling much better now

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

@@shanenolan8252 Ah, that must have been very relieving!

[@shanenolan8252]

@@LoreOfTheRingsYT very . Thanks

[@theyellowjesters]

The artwork in general is absolutely gorgeous

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Glad to hear that :) I attempt to pick what I find relevant, and also to produce epic scenes! Whats your favorite artwork from the video?

[@theyellowjesters]

@@LoreOfTheRingsYT i love most of them, but i think the ones that stand out the most are at 1:22 4:23 5:10 5:27 and i ALWAYS love the one with Sauron being stabbed at 0:48! yes i agree, it enhances the experience so much! keep up the good work friend i love it. i've shown several people your channel :D

[@blackmetalnazgul4519]

okay, I counted about over 64 times u said Saurons name, but sadly lost count around 10:29 lol!! Better luck next time. But really great video. I always try to have an imagination of what woud've happened if Sauron reclaimed his RIng. (both book version and Peter Jackson movie version)

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

I was waiting for your comment :D I knew you would like this one :) Thanks as always for your visit!

[@blackmetalnazgul4519]

@@LoreOfTheRingsYT lol!! and also, seriously I think eventually after Saurons forces wipe out the rest of the free peoples of Middle earth, the corrupt men and Orcs would probably start killing off each other too out of boredom since the wars are over and all that. Also, what do u think what would've happened to the wild men of Dunland? Unless the rohirrim had wiped them out during the events of Two Towers.

[@johnmcgovern6421]

Why would Eru & the Valar let Sauron get away with enslaving the men & dwarves & kill off the remaining elves... His children??? Save your children!!! 😬

[@_semih_]

Well actually Sauron was one of Eru's thoughts so he is a part of Eru and for Eru, he is more closer/important than the children of illuvatar

[@Seriously_Unserious]

I think it more likely that once the Elves realize there's little hope of victory, as many as possible would set sail as fast as possible to the Undying Lands. Those who were too far away, cut off or couldn't fit on any ships by the time Sauron's forces made it to the last of the Elven coastal realms would be the ones who would die, and that would be The Grey Heavens. I would expect Sauron's final assault on The Grey Heavens to be a 2 pronged attack, with his armies coming in from the landward side, and his navies from to besiege the harbors, essentially trying to box the Elves in. A few may make a break for it by ship, and try to run the blockade, and a some would likely even get through, but many would be sunk in their last desperate escape attempt. Some of the ones who got through would likely be pursued by Sauron's navy, and some would be caught and sunk out at sea. The rest would reach the Undying Lands, the last free elven people to do so. A few may attempt to run the land blockades, and again a few would make it through, but again, most would be cut down. I would expect pockets of resisting or hiding elves, men and dwarves to remain in the far corners of Middle Earth for some time.

[@ibashcommunists6847]

@@Seriously_Unserious the noldor and vanyar returns with eonwe leading them. Sauron gets toast. Easy win for the elves.

[@tominiowa2513]

@@ibashcommunists6847 - Eönwë would remind Sauron that he is 5,600 years late for his appointment with the Council of the Valar.

[@jeffhreid]

I think your analysis is spot on. I bet Sauron’s downfall would the same as the Númenóreans Sauron, after completing his rule over Middle Earth, would desire to conquer the undying lands. He would assemble an incredible force to do so , blinded by hubris and fail .

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

I doubt he could pass over the straight road. Sauron would probably have all he desired with Middle-Earth. Probably? Maybe not, not sure :P

[@omarflores9011]

@jeffhreid but maybe he could win, and if he did, would probably use the new power to rescue Morgoth from the void

[@ibashcommunists6847]

He wont win. Eonwe wud btchslap him silly.

[@danielmcdivitt1334]

Brilliant video love the what if videos can you imagine if morgoth had a ring 🔥🔥

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Excellent idea for a video, for Morgoth had indeed a ring

[@alexandersilady4751]

And that ring was actually... well I read Morgoth's Ring but I won't spoil it!

[@chexquest87]

Doesn’t the fact that Sauron was never really going to be allowed to win make sauron’s goals moot? Did sauron know that eru was not going to allow him to succeed? Seems to be a bit of problem?

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

If you watch my video regarding Sauron's motives, that question shall be answered. Great question indeed!

[@henrikg1388]

One of many erroneous assumptions in this video, that are completely flawed. One would hope that someone should understand the underlying philosophy before making a pompous video. Sorry for being so negative, but is had to be said.

[@TheAcunianGamer]

Yay new video just switched from the history from the ring 🙃

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

:D Hope you enjoy!

[@realscientistflanders1688]

i like the way that the last alliance of elves and men were able to defeat Sauron IN MORDOR when he had the ring. Later..when he hasn't got the ring 'help! get a couple of halflings to smuggle it into Mordor. There is no other way!'

[@shanenolan8252]

One more thing the Tolkien reading day thing you guys did well I enjoyed the play list found a few channels I didn't know of .

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Awesome! Glad you liked it! A lot of talented people in the playlist for sure!

[@shanenolan8252]

@@LoreOfTheRingsYT agreed I really like the elfwine channel ( forgive my spelling) she has a great silmarilion chapter by chapter breakdown or explanation for new readers , she does very good analysis been chatting with her in the comments very nice lady

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

@@shanenolan8252 Awesome to hear that :)

[@beeftross3000]

A+ as usual

[@jeffhreid]

Excellent video. I wonder what happened to the ring of the witch king when he was destroyed on the field of the Pelinor?

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Thank you jeff! The Nazgûl didnt have their rings, Sauron held them :)

[@dodgykingdom7502]

Lore of the rings: uploads video Me: 😃

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

:D Enjoy Dodgyy

[@mark0551]

Love your content keep it up.

[@mediadunce653]

What if Sauron managed to cement his Empire, but then Morgoth returned?

[@yoyomayne]

Dagonr dagorath

[@mightydwarf104]

Can wait for you to make if Morgoth were victorious

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Will note that down :)

[@totmgsrockxd9900]

The Dagor Dagorath.

[@TheMinarus]

I will state that the idea or or knowledge that Eru guided Sauron to defeat and that no other scenario was possible really takes away from the events of the War of the Ring... It kind of touches upon free will vs divine plan, in that case than nothing of what happened truly matter if he would simply not be allowed to win and it wasn't anything that Frodo or other companions did that produced the saving of Middle Earth none of their valiance had inherent value in that case..A real bummer

[@tominiowa2513]

No, because Eru would only intervene if His Children put out their best effort to defeat Sauron and failed (e.g., Frodo getting the One Ring to Orodruin but not having the strength of will to destroy it).

[@patrickvalo8822]

Very interesting video. I find it very cool that the orcs would become even more deadly and would throw themselves into the enemy. He would probably get more armies from the east too.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Indeed. The east would swell like never before.

[@marckrieger3277]

My first thought was eru would never allowed this to happen, but you acknowledged that right in the beginning. About erus intervention i thought faramirs and boromirs dream about imladris and isiludrs bane would be his doing as well, did Tollkien never wrote something about that? Great video as allways, btw.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

The dream might be sent by Irmo the Vala: tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Irmo And good point my friend, thanks for the support!

[@marckrieger3277]

@@LoreOfTheRingsYT You are probably right but wouldn't Irmo just be the messanger, surely he would not intervene in Middle Earth without erus permission.

[@castironchaos]

If Sauron regained the One Ring, he likely would have had to appoint a new Lord of the Nazgul, and find a new wielder of the greatest of the Nine Rings. Angmar the Witch-King had not only been defeated in the Battle of the Pelennor Fields, he had been shattered, and his spirit ripped away when Eowyn defeated him. He was free to escape Sauron's domination, and so someone new would have had to be chosen to take up Angmar's Ring of Power.

[@sorcikator993]

I wonder if Sauron would be so petty as to force Aragorn to became that new Nazgul? Making sure he survive long enough to be force fed, so to speak, the ring of the Witch-King?

[@tominiowa2513]

@@sorcikator993 - Most likely the late Witch King's ring would be given to the Mouth of Sauron, but Bill Ferny would also be a possibility.

[@einsoldaten1591]

Still here my friend

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Thanks Marc :)

[@belzebuj]

Where are u from my friend? Curious accent! New suscriber btw! Cheers 🔥

[@808INFantry11X]

Well shit that would have been bad LMAO

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Yep, I would not want to be his slave!

[@808INFantry11X]

@@LoreOfTheRingsYT I'd have sue him file an investigation for Tax evasion then can't beat the IRS LOL

[@808INFantry11X]

@@LoreOfTheRingsYT I love your pronunciation of Sauron by the way

[@austin4330]

Well done!

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Thank you Austin!

[@Purgious]

Take a shot everytime he says Sauron

[@kingofdeath9012]

Sauron needs to get some extra allies from other worlds

[@memer7987]

A new resistance would emerge from the survivors and they would work over the decades to keep the will of the free people alive

[@realscientistflanders1688]

Lesson learned. if you're going to try to dominate everyone with a gold ring, make a spare copy in case the original gets lost.

[@LordWyatt]

Praise to him, SAUR-ON! He killed all the Orcs gave us some jobs. SAURON!

[@antondovydaitis2261]

My friends and I are currently playing a Burning Wheel Campaign where Sauron obtains the Ring. Our characters Hope is that it is the Nature of the One Ring to Betray, and that it will betray Sauron again, just as it did before with Isildur. So far, things are not going especially well.

[@theunshameless8555]

Is that like a variant of DND

[@antondovydaitis2261]

@@theunshameless8555 Only superficially, in that it is a Medieval Fantasy Role Playing Game influenced strongly by The Lord of the Rings. But whereas D&D generates "action" in the form mostly of fights and preparations for fights, Burning Wheel generates "fiction," that is, character arcs encompassing struggle, obstacles, and change. The game centers on each character's beliefs, and dice aren't even rolled unless the test is relevant to at least one character. A derivative game, Mouse Guard has the motto, "It's not what you fight, it's what you fight for." I've done a Quest for a Simaril, Refugees fleeing Numenor, Robert's Rebellion (from Game of Thrones), we're currently doing Sauron's Triumph, and I am preparing a Blue Wizards in the East Campaign starting in a couple months. It's very different and not easy, but it yields fantastic results that resemble novels more than video games.

[@theunshameless8555]

@@antondovydaitis2261 that sounds pretty cool actually. I have never heard of that system until now.

[@meduseldtales3383]

I'd like to think he would go with the peace treaty offered by the Mouth of Sauron. Sauron would not be in any hurry, so he would let the Mouth to play a little tyrant for few decades, while he focuses on fixing things to his liking in the East.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Whilst I also originally was inclined to believe so, remember what Gandalf says quickly afterwards: "And if indeed we rated this prisoner so high, what surety have we that Sauron the Base Master of Treachery, will keep his part?" I think Sauron would have laughed and slaughtered his enemies :P

[@meduseldtales3383]

@@LoreOfTheRingsYT Gandalf was saying that they wanted to see the prisoner alive first, before they would consider the offer. Mouth of Sauron definitely thought it was a genuine offer. And what does "Base Master" mean anyway?

[@4Bobay]

@@meduseldtales3383, base master. The foundation, first.

[@tathemrelag3123]

@@meduseldtales3383 "Base," in archaic English (Tolkien's favorite type!) meant "inferior" or "lowly." It gets used a lot in alchemy, with the phrase "turn base metals into gold" being thrown around a lot. So Gandalf was pretty much calling Sauron "a low-down dirty liar."

[@MichaelPhillipsatGreyOwlStudio]

People always act as though Sauron would've been unstoppable if he had the One Ring. Well, my thought is always "well, they beat him before when he had the Ring." I know the free peoples of Middle Earth were weaker by the time of the War of the Ring, but still it wouldn't have been a foregone conclusion. Then again, Tolkien had to sell the idea of Sauron becoming unstoppable in order to create tension.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

They also beat him with the Ring, but that was of course when the Eldar and the last Númenóreans made alliance :)

[@MichaelPhillipsatGreyOwlStudio]

@@LoreOfTheRingsYT True. It would have been much harder to defeat him. The point is that it wasn't necessarily impossible. Also, it is possible that if Sauron had regained the One Ring, the Valar might have chosen to intervene. The song of Illuvatar must ultimately win out after all, and a counter-melody would have been sung and some new good would have arisen to fight back against Sauron.

[@DarthNVious]

Since Tolkien confirmed that our current Earth is future Middle Earth, then I guess that Sauron has actually won based on your description.

[@castironchaos]

Meanwhile, Tolkien's Fourth Age, the Dominion of Men, was foretold to have ended in the Dagor Dagorath, the final battle when Morgoth would return and the Music of the Ainur would end. In a world dominated by Sauron, it may be that this end would still take place. As in the Second Age, Sauron might still look for a way to defeat the Valar, even though Aman the Blessed Realm had been removed from the circles of the world. Perhaps Sauron would have allowed Melkor to return, but Melkor would still want to dominate or destroy Sauron's rule. This might lead to the Valar, or even Iluvatar, deciding the Music had faltered and it had to be ended. Thus would come Dagor Dagorath, and the empire of Melkor -- or Sauron -- would see its final end in a great catastrophe, greater even than the War of Wrath that had defeated Morgoth.

[@oldmangranny5oldmangranny56]

Why would Sauron have taken control over the eleven rings, when he couldn't the time he first had the one ring?

[@jediknight73]

So powerful but a simple sword cut hes finger off lol .like have it under your armor

[@captainbeeflaps5612]

Sauron never touched or sullied the three rings and therefore cannot dominate the three

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

‘So it is now: the Nine he has gathered to himself; the Seven also, or else they are destroyed. The Three are hidden still. But that no longer troubles him. He only needs the One; for he made that Ring himself, it is his, and he let a great part of his own former power pass into it, so that he could rule all the others. If he recovers it, then he will command them all again, wherever they be, even the Three, and all that has been wrought with them will be laid bare, and he will be stronger than ever. (Fellowship of the Ring)

[@captainbeeflaps5612]

@@LoreOfTheRingsYT i forgot probably the best chapter in the book

[@bishop8000]

He can dominate the minds of the wearer of the three, the reason that didn't happen in the beginning is that the wearer's sensed his psychic projection right away and took their rings off and vowed never to use them while Sauron had the one. If Sauron had reclaimed the three, and given them to men, he would in time dominate their wills like he did with the nine.

[@tominiowa2513]

The three elven rings were made from knowledge provided by Sauron, and that included a "back door" that allowed the One Ring to exert control over them.

[@lightningdragon3033]

Lore of the Rings. What if Sauron turned Aragon, Boromir, Legolas and Saruman into Nuzguls?

[@cmcclorey]

honestly sauron's victory sounds like middle earth would have become like a warworld not dissimilar to darkseid from dc universe.

[@Eric.T.Cartman]

I’m always wandering if sauron has to visit room 100 once in a while for a good old number 2...

[@tominiowa2513]

The Valar and Maia do need to eat when they take on semi-permanent physical form. But maybe Sauron used Orodruin instead of a commode or chamber pot?

[@georgegobin1839]

Could Sauron with the ring of power defeat Emperor Palpatine in a one and one fight?

[@tominiowa2513]

Shinji Ikari in Evangelion Unit-01 (after it gained a S² engine by eating the Angel Zeruel's core) would cut both up with a progressive knife.

[@jackolantern147]

Part 2= Eonwe and a host of "wizards and witches" would've been sent to face the empire of Sauron and liberate the formerly free people. A climactic battle not seen since the days of Beleriand.

[@tominiowa2513]

Eönwë vs. Sauron in single combat would not end well for Sauron.

[@hippocraticoaf8798]

Pretty much what we see today. Lockdowns, masks, one narrative in the controlled media, no privacy. The gates thrown wide open. Fear, famine, power outages. The all seeing eye watching everyone and their thoughts. Yet everyone singing the Lego song, "Everything is Awesome!"

[@Emanon...]

Bullshit. You've just never actually lived through any hardship to have any perspective. We live in an age were the largest share of people have access to an increasingly proper living standard, healthcare and education. These are the facts and data. I wouldn't want to live and start a family in any former age during human history. Would you?

[@hippocraticoaf8798]

@@Emanon... well I own cattle so I am familiar with BS. I had my hard times growing up, but I wouldn't change a thing. It gave me a critical eye to see through the scam. My doctors always looked unhealthy. My teachers didn't know anything. Thank God for programming which gave me enough money to buy this ranch. AJ I hope you get all your boosters and do everything they tell you so you can have your proper living standard in the panopticon.

[@E-shinobi]

Sauron has two forms, 10 foot tall demonic warlord and long haired pretty boy. Both are completely valid

[@WizardZig]

Hmm im not sure about this... as much as is Dominion would reign, i don't think the Valar would allow t. I know you said Eru wouldn't allow it anyway. But i think the Valar would get involved before the total destruction of midle earth

[@ladyponfarr5479]

What became of the other rings after the one ring was destroyed?

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Their power were destroyed

[@SunSheepOfLight]

There’s only 3 Things the could possibly defeat Sauron at this point, one is the Vallar which are like the gods of Middle Earth, the second is Urgust the Dragon and finally the Orcs themselves. I mean all it took was a guy with a broken Sword 🗡 to defeat Sauron in the first place. So basically anyone could get lucky and cut off his Finger again, unless he decides to wear a Toe Ring.

[@tominiowa2513]

Forget what you saw in a movie and read the books. Sauron was already dead (in physical form) when Isildur cut off his ring finger. The Valar would not fight Sauron, but rather delegate that work to Maia led by Eönwë (just as they did in the War of Wrath). And of course Eru Ilúvatar could just think Sauron out of existence.

[@SunSheepOfLight]

@@tominiowa2513 You do have some good points.

[@ryankwon8785]

Sauron's World The Mouth of Sauron detailed Sauron's plan to the Fellowship at the Black Gates 1. Everything east of the Anduin River belongs to Sauron (Mordor, Rhun, Easterling Nations, etc). 2. Rohan will no longer have arms but be allowed to keep their independence as long as they pay tribute to Mordor. 3. The Nazgul and Sauron's generals will be governors over important conquered lands. 4. Sauron had no interest in the Hobbits but Frodo and Bilbo's acts angered Sauron. Sauron will make the Hobbits his slaves and laborers as he sees them as unimportant. 5. The Haradrim and Rhun Military will occupy the conquered nations rather than the orcs who are unstable beings. 6. The Orcs will remain in their own orc domains and east of the Anduin River due to their chaotic nature and being in no state to oversee conquered lands. 7. It will be a dark peaceful rule under Sauron who will be Middle Earth's God King till the end of time.

[@phoenixmilburn8759]

Its weird to think that Sauron is actually the one fighting against hopless odds in the Lord of the Rings movies in the long run he actually was outmatched by the Valar power wise 100 to 1 and by Eru Bassicly Infnity to 1 so ya he might have pushed out characters armies all the way back to the grey havens and The dearven halls of the blue mountain is where the final battle would be and then just as sauron faces off against all the named characters The Valar and Eru would show up and WRECK sauron

[@IPlayWithFire135]

But then, that's what the lore tells us. A being like Sauron must know something about the universe that we don't or he would never attempt to do what he did. Perhaps Eru and the Valar are not as powerful as we are told, or at any rate not any longer.

[@tominiowa2513]

@@IPlayWithFire135 - Read Catholic theology on why God lets evil exist in the world, and you will have your answer (Tolkien was a follower of the theology of Aquinas).

[@IPlayWithFire135]

@@tominiowa2513 So what is the reason, in the briefest way you can explain it?

[@tominiowa2513]

@@IPlayWithFire135 - One reason is God/Eru would be interfering with free will if He eliminated evil. Another is that for Christians (and Men in Arda) the divine rewards/punishments are in the afterlife and not in this world. Struggles may also be rewarded with Providence in this world, e.g., Frodo had used up all his strength to get the One Ring to the Sammath Naur (aka Cracks of Doom), so when he was overpowered by the One Ring and put it on claiming it as his own, Eru intervened to make sure it was destroyed (Gandalf and Aragorn leading a suicide mission if Frodo and Sam failed also likely contributed to Eru granting providence).

[@IPlayWithFire135]

@@tominiowa2513 I see. Still, since as you say, Tolkien was a follower of this theological perspective, perhaps that explains this apparent shortcoming on the explanation of evil from the point of view of evil, given an omnipotent God, (or Eru) because all religious notions would share it. Evil is just sort of there because it needs to be for the human moral significance of it, not for any practical ends of its own, given that it can't defeat God, and a being such as the devil (or Sauron) would be very aware of that. To a non-Catholic mind the problems jump out. That leads to one of two very awkward resolutions to the problem of evil. Either Satan/Sauron can defeat God/Eru, or they are in league with God, not just in the sense that their actions ultimately serve God's designs, like Morgoth's discord, but intentionally. The thinkers of the enlightenment figured out that you can't keep both omnibenevolence and omnipotence in your conception of God in a world with evil. Not without a Christian leap of faith against one's own reason, or some kind of argument that the forces of evil are an attempt to assert their own freedom, damn the consequences.

[@michaeltoney2277]

Then we’d have the industrialized world we know now

[@Liqweed1337]

How many times did you say Sauron in this funny accent?

[@tehwatcherintehwater2022]

10:06 If Sauron had regained the Ring, then he would have made sure that dragons, trolls, fell beasts, wargs, and balrogs would all protected from any threat of extinction. If you don't think that these species deserve protection, then you are not a true environmentalist!

[@penultimateh766]

Well, he could just kill everything and turn Arda into a moonscape and rule over THAT. But anything SHORT of that would require the allowing of SOME freedom or pleasure. I mean if he allowed sunshine and sex and bunny rabbits to EXIST, if only for practical purposes, that's SOMETHING. I guess he could assign one orc to every human to constantly whip him/her for spite, but how would he feed all of them?

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

With his slave plantations that would be no problem :)

[@penultimateh766]

@@LoreOfTheRingsYT Hmmm..Yeah. But the plantations we know about probably had less than one orc per slave. So, like slavery in our world, his slaves must at least be able to sleep. And he would have to feed them. The would have to be able to develop SOME culture, songs, etc. And if he wants to keep ruling SOME group more than one generation, he'd have to allow sex.

[@jeambeam3173]

Sauron didn't want to just destroy everything he just wanted control and order

[@medievalist8441]

Sauron sounds like a committed capitalist

[@azarishere6442]

So... the Imperium of Man basically

[@toddkurzbard]

If the ring possessed a great deal of Sauron's native power, why could he not have easily sensed where it was?

[@antondovydaitis2261]

I see the Ring as having become a separate entity, and having betrayed Sauron.

[@jayoyo1001]

Eru Illuvartar: release Morgoth and let him and Sauron fight each other evil vs evil and see who falls and if one wins then I will destroy him.

[@_semih_]

Sauron and Morgoth would never fight each other. Sauron is still loyal to his master

[@jayoyo1001]

Don’t know about that I think Sauron pride would of grown and he would of thought that since he is the new powerful dark lord than he wouldn’t cared and not be loyal anymore to his former master.

[@elliotfong5061]

But the age of man only would not be such a good idea

[@michaelfisher7170]

I don't agree with the idea that "the people of Gondor would have been executed due to their ancient rivalry" with Sauron. In the books the Mouth of Sauron listed as one of his master's terms that "the rabble of Gondor and its deluded allies will withdraw beyond the Anduin, first taking oaths never again to assail Sauron the Great in arms, open or secret." Even then Sauron understood the great capacity of the men of the west, even in their diminished state, as potential, future allies and he did not seek to eliminate them but to tame them. He sought order...nit genocide. That is one of the problems I have with the films. They turn Sauron's motives onto their head. He certainly wasn't seeking to make Orcs the predominant race, he was seeking to dominate men and dwarves and eventually to eliminate orcs, who he recognized as nearly worthless, from his worldview.

[@ingold1470]

I think the idea is that he would disarm them first, then double-cross and murder them later when they no longer have the means to resist. More "efficient".

[@tahmidreza5994]

Please, add subtitle on your video

[@rinokumera5907]

What if melkor never turned evil

[@paulsmith8510]

omggg... I did a yoga DVD everyday for 2 years and lost 85lbs that had the SAME background music as this video. This was oddly your most relaxing video by far.

[@AlexanderJoneshttps]

Think Sauron would also free Morgoth

[@sakellarioudimitris7439]

And thus the Fourth Age of Middle Earth begun..... But it wasn't the Age of Men. It was an age were Men and the rest of the Children of Iluvatar were slaves to the Watchful Eye of Mordor. An age were the Dark Lord has fulfilled his purpose of putting order in Middle Earth. An age were the descendants of the once Free Peoples would worship Sauron as their god-king and honor his reign, rejecting the Valar. An age of shadows, slavery, fear and dread. The Age of Orcs, as spoken by the Dark Lord himself in Dol Guldur and it will endure forever until the final battle begins and the Second Music of the Ainur is sung, turning Arda back to the light of its true God, Eru Iluvatar.

[@verihimthered2418]

Tom bombadill (spelling)

[@nigelomacnigilson3089]

Once establishing his empire in Middle Earth he would have enslaved many men from the south and the east and traveled over the sea to conquer the lands of the west, just like real life.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Remember that Valinor was removed. He could not have conquered it :) But yes, I agree with the other stuff!

[@jessemacaspac443]

9 second gang

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Love to see it! Thanks Jesse

[@jessemacaspac443]

Keep up the good work man!

[@Glory_inthe_3rd77]

What in the world?

[@vernich3381]

i disagree here. the valar would not watch middle earth burn and do nothing

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Remember that this is fictional only had Sauron had his will

[@jackruby6696]

Sauron world world of thrived. It wouldn’t be a cracked Barren hell. We think of that because he is next to a volcano. The fields of nurn were rich and green. Sauron would elevate his subjects life expectancy. He wouldn’t have them living in slums. Since he values Efficiency and order. He would most likely get rid of the orcs or perhaps they could be domesticated. Sauron shows us that the Easterlings and orcs have a ordered disciplined society that values technology and innovation. And no I’m not an agent of Sauron.

[@BryerTheKing1]

What a boring outcome no rivals like what

[@englishtea6490]

I don’t know about anyone else but I would gladly serve Sauron, I always wanted him to win when watching the movies, reading the books and playing the games

[@Magnus689]

Answer is modern day South Africa

[@eluilus4017]

God's enemies devil demons all their lies plans deeds be binded failed punished destroyed in the name of Jesus Christ!!

[@mos4396]

😬👏

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Eyy Taylor :D

[@PerpetualityHypnosis]

this is literaly jesus (sauron) and christians+muslims worshipping allah/jehova BUT MAKE SURE YOU SPEND MONEY FOR THIS GUY, slaves.

[@thestarkknightreturns]

He could have never won, Iluvatar and the Valar wouldn't let him. They would slip their way into specific events in Middle Earth so it couldn't happen. Tolkien himself said that the idea was that everyone who's bad at the core is cosmically doomed to fail.

[@sorcikator993]

One question remain: once Sauron have set fully his dominion over Middle-Earth, would he build a huge fleet and turn his gaze toward Valinor to the West?

[@tominiowa2513]

No, since Sauron saw the outcome the last time he instigated such an event.

[@gary6754]

Sauron sounds like a leftist

[@tominiowa2513]

No, a Bolshevik, which is something else entirely.

[@Abstracto107]

Sauron literally represents Satan, while Morgoth is pure embodiment of chaos & evil.

[@dalesteffens6769]

Lord of the Rings is a fantasy book. But in reality the West would tolerate this for awhile then ring and all they would move n and conquer and capture Sauron without breaking a sweat. Dale