"What is it?" Ensign Harry Kim "It's An Ocean." LT. Tom Paris

Star Trek Voyager Season 5 Episode 9 Thirty Days

[@87frontside]

Fry "how many atmospheres of pressure can the ship take Professor?" "Well it's a space ship, so anywhere between 0 and 1"

[@TheTerranscout]

Until they need to fly through a binary pulsar lol

[@Johnny-rx4hs]

How many hulls does it have?

[@4tutoralcom]

@@Johnny-rx4hs 6000 hulls. If only they'd built it with 6001 hulls.

[@mercerholt8299]

@@4tutoralcom Ah yes a Futurama fan I see.

[@johnpaulporrelli6208]

That’s exactly what I was thinking

[@TheTerranscout]

"Its bigger than the atlantic and pacific combined" Yeah, that sounds big by earth standards, but not by space standards lol

[@UGNAvalon]

“Oh, so it’s as big as the Atlantic & the Pacific _& the Indian &/or Arctic_ combined?” ;D

[@TheTerranscout]

@@UGNAvalon to quote a very "inspirational" man, "its uuuuuge, bigly"

[@bsgtrekfan88]

while I thought the exact same quote, I was rather happy to see/hear an example of them NOT doing the typical "insert alien sounding name before common saying/term/thing" like they usually do ;) Also allows the audience to grasp the actual size quickly.

[@TheSenatorXV]

I think he means in surface area, being that the oceans are 2/3 the surface area of Earth it would still be pretty big for a ball of water.

[@TheTerranscout]

@@TheSenatorXV could be, but I dont think that would make sense for the show. A 2d measurement for a 3d object when they have the tools to measure the 3rd dimension.

[@Psiros]

To me, exploring a deep, massive ocean like that is scarier than exploring space.

[@brianjones8899]

Subnautica

[@funkmantim2661]

Earth's Oceans

[@aziizrocks]

I get that to, its surprisingly common, but mostly because we cant imagine space's emptiness.

[@funkmantim2661]

@@aziizrocks Also kinda helps that we know more about space than we do about our very own ocean.

[@gregoryfoster1802]

Agreed

[@CoreyMSnow]

What's most interesting is that deep enough inside a "planet" like this, pressure would mean it's no longer water, but various forms of exotic "hot" ice.

[@TheBatermaster]

Even better, There would very likely be a state of matter that is not liquid solid or gas, but all 3 simultaneously.

[@raymondweaver8526]

@@TheBatermaster Triple point

[@wayneparke554]

Clever pick up.

[@lajoswinkler]

@@raymondweaver8526 Triple point of water is 0.01 °C and 611.2 Pa, and that is not something you'd find in an ocean.

[@kashphlinktu]

@@raymondweaver8526 I think you mean supercritical

[@NoJusticeNoPeace]

"Let's go to the briefing room, where we can all unwisely share State secrets. Have you ever heard of the Omega particle?"

[@8bitmercy892]

"Wanna hear a secret about tardigrades?"

[@vintagethrifter2114]

Do you like gladiator movies? Have you ever seen a grown man naked?

[@porridge57]

Vintage Thrifter Lol!

[@wildgurgs3614]

"Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?"

[@jcook6144]

​@@wildgurgs3614 That depends, have you heard the tragedy of Darth Baras the Wide?

[@EvilMariobot]

Paris: Are those starships or submarines? Yes. Paris: [crossing fingers] C'mooooon, Mermaid Homeworld!

[@admiralsquatbar127]

Tom then finds out that Riker has already been there. Tom: "But... how?"

[@artbrann]

@@admiralsquatbar127 or Kirk, twice

[@Menaceblue3]

@@admiralsquatbar127 Which Riker? William or Thomas?

[@admiralsquatbar127]

@@Menaceblue3 Both

[@truemind1018]

What is he, riker?

[@CaptainJonathan]

"Here's the bridge. Here's how to fire phasers, here's our security codes."

[@TanealyaKimBeauty]

I loved Chekotays expression when she just invited strangers to explore the ship lol.

[@robinlmorgan1]

Anybody remember Hezekiah?

[@CaptainJonathan]

@@robinlmorgan1 The 13th King of Judah?

[@jordanbridges]

@@robinlmorgan1 are you referring to his building and architectural works?

[@karadan100]

Here, why don't you just have Voyager, we can just float in this ocean for eternity. I didn't need Voyager anyway.

[@piotrd.4850]

Man, Voyager HAD some great moments of CGI and this was one of them.

[@SaraMorgan-ym6ue]

didn't you know Voyager it self was CGI for the most part the actual Voyager model was used where you see shots of the back windows darkened out if they are lit up that means your seeing the CGI model

[@sarcasticstartrek7719]

The water effect is amazing for 90s tech and even more so for a small budget. There were movies around this time that had crappier water.

[@micheljavert5923]

Let’s give a ship tour to the people who decided to shoot before actually speaking to us and only decided to talk when they realized we had bigger guns. There’s a policy with absolutely no foreseeable drawbacks.

[@ricco3]

I know right it’s like the whole planet is comprised of only Americans

[@FFKonoko]

And also once they started talking and the "ship is impressive" part was obviously part of agreeing to show off their ocean planet in exchange....

[@maccheese8379]

But.... But.... They speak english

[@ricco3]

@@maccheese8379 You must be new to Star Trek aren’t you? You have heard of the Universal Translator right?

[@maccheese8379]

@@ricco3 soooo.... The universal translator can turn someone into speaking english?

[@hunter207]

RIP Willie Garson, who played Riga here but also appeared in dozens of other shows

[@renaisnisbett]

Yup. Stargate SG-1 was were I recognize him from.

[@herbacidal]

Yea I thought that was him, just from the voice

[@seanmsw5977]

@@herbacidal I'm not just *interested* in outer space. I'm *from* outer space. That guy?

[@fartzinacan]

Mozzie!!! From White Collar. It took me a bit but that's where I know him from.

[@renaisnisbett]

@@seanmsw5977 Yes. That guy.

[@johncanaparius3233]

How convenient that shaking hands is so universal. Makes perfect sense.

[@AndyCutright]

The biggest weakness in all the Star Treks is how similar all the alien cultures are to ours.

[@billigmad3720]

Don't forget they all speak english.

[@Armann_]

@@AndyCutright that’s the intent wasn’t it? If they went way exotic like putting your thumb in your nose and wave 4 fingers that’s probably too weird.

[@Armann_]

@jon pork Yeah I can imagine a Jurassic raptor eagle-like scream as a greeting. Lol Edit: I only imagined Felix introducing the weekly meal at the mess hall. I didn’t say anyone screamed.

[@DOSRetroGamer]

The mannerisms, body language, voice tone, character traits, nothing you wouldn't find on earth. They all use titles and have a first and last name

[@michaelh5446]

MOZZIE!! What a delight to see him here! You will always be missed and appreciated, Willie Garson.

[@SaraMorgan-ym6ue]

brings new meaning to the song under the sea🤣

[@nunya3163]

When he spoke, I immediately felt like I was watching SG1.

[@cstarrett]

@@nunya3163 It was killing me that I couldn't figure out where I knew that voice from until I looked up "Willie Garson" and then, of course! Marty!

[@Kabalyero]

it's what I love about Star Trek... the exploration and sense of discovering wonders out there in deep space...

[@SaraMorgan-ym6ue]

luckily they do not have that advanced weapons to defend their ocean or voyager would have had to run away🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@LGranthamsHeir]

Great to see Tom and Harry manning their stations in their "Adventures of Captain Proton" costumes :)

[@LGranthamsHeir]

@jeff lockaby Also Space Command...

[@LGranthamsHeir]

@jeff lockaby If you want more 'Captain Proton' in a future Trek series, this is a very good news: trekmovie.com/2020/08/30/are-the-planets-aligning-for-captain-proton-from-star-trek-voyager-to-rematerialize-in-short-treks/

[@kevinmencer3782]

This scans perfectly with STO, where one bridge officer can be wearing a shirt, while the Captain can be wearing a Starfleet uniform, in the wrong division colors, from 2 centuries ago. Edit; and no one gives a ####, not even the CNC.

[@sbeaber]

Like how right after promising to do anything she can to help, Janeway gives Paris the stink eye for offering help lol.

[@rrson648]

I know right?!? Like, shes the one who invited him, of course hes gonna blurt stuff out. Thats what Tom does! LOL!

[@tobifoong8025]

@Jimmy S Prime directive is for non space faring "pre-civs". these guys plainly are space faring.

[@QuartuvLarry]

"WHAT?! YOU WENT OVER MY HELMET?!"

[@w.h.1801]

Don't you just love it when people show up at your home and then ask you to identify yourself? Only Janeway!

[@Shendue]

She's quite the diplomat.

[@DOSRetroGamer]

She's american after all

[@jinxiejae]

Well to be fair she did say who they were first. She just did it in a militaristic way. We are (blank) who are you?

[@rdubayoo]

What is with the people watching this video? How is "PLEASE identify yourselves" hostile and confrontational?

[@chuchulainn9275]

​@@rdubayoo It's not necessarily "hostile" but it isn't very diplomatic. Voyager is the stranger. They shouldn't sound so... demanding.

[@eskreskao]

I thought I recognized the voice of the red-capped fish dude as Martin Lloyd from Stargate (the alien guy that made Wormhole X-Treme), so I went to the wiki to confirm it. I found out the actor, Willie Garson, died only about two weeks ago.

[@annoyed707]

Amazing how many species shake hands having just met us.

[@fcsuper]

Universal Translator works on gestures too.

[@ralph3333]

@@fcsuper The entire universe is a simulation. There are only a few greeting subroutines n humanoids sniffing butts is not 1 of them.

[@LGranthamsHeir]

This episode has "Voyager meets Seaquest DSV" vibes. Now we just need Darwin to show up :)

[@zacharyfett2491]

LGranthamsHeir I had forgotten all about Seaquest. Thank you!

[@develynseether4426]

What a coincidence! I saw an ad on TV for Seaquest yesterday, the thing is I don't watch TV (only Netflix/Prime) and I was visiting my folks, only come over about once a month and there it was.

[@oddish4352]

Well, Enterprise supposedly had dolphins on board. Voyager, probably not.

[@grimmy2444]

Nah , the dolphins in a tuna can lol

[@robertmiller2831]

That would be awesome!!! As Darwin would say “Darwin best actor on whole show” 🐬

[@happygoluckyscamp]

I love how Voyager goes "Identify yourself!" Like, you are the ones who have shown up. You identify yourself you, bastards.

[@newperve]

They did. Albeit they did so in a language that they had no idea the others spoke.

[@humungus3]

They got lucky! The aliens spoke English.

[@iamrocketray]

@@humungus3 Don't be silly! All civilised societies have a worm in their ears that translates any language into AMERICAN(we call it english but we mustn't offend the Yanks) only primitive cultures don't have this, its a bit like the wheel, its a natural development.

[@CoralCopperHead]

"This is the Federation Starship Voyager." I don't know about you, but that sounds like identifying yourself to me.

[@happygoluckyscamp]

@@CoralCopperHead is it though? They're making a demand. Now if they said "This is USS Voyager, we come in peace," then yes, it's identify themselves. But they're making a demand. Plus it's established that the Voyager has an iffy reputation in the Delta Quadrant. So Janeway is pretty much going "We're the space bastards! Tell us who you are!"

[@thexen3120]

The true hero is the speed of the universal translator and its seemless use in the dialogue.

[@Gauntlet1212]

"Destroy their weapons" You know, you could have retreated a little to show you're no hostile, too. "We could have destroyed you" Janeway literally forcing them into first contact.

[@mikebronicki6978]

The Prime Directive applied to non space travelling civilizations. There is no reason not to make a first contact with other space travellers.

[@mikebronicki6978]

@Schnake Eyes I'm pretty sure this is a space colony, therefore a space travelling species. I think the script conforms to trek standards.

[@mynyun3133]

@Blackbeard True but she also hailed them and they ignored that. So, both parties are at fault for this forced confrontation.

[@rickyhall7514]

Hmm, let me see if I can clarify. Someone walks up to you and shoots you in the chest. Luckily you're wearing fairly heavy ballistic panels and body armor so no real damage done. But you punch him in the face and disarm him so he doesn't try it again. Are you saying you are somehow at fault for using force to subdue someone using force?

[@Theoutcome0]

Ricky Hall Ricky Hall A more accurate analogy would be you approach someone’s house with interest. They come out with a gun raised in hand. You try to talk to them and they ignore you and raise they’re gun to point at you. You try to talk to them again and they shoot you. You are okay because of your armour and so you shoot the gun out of their hand and then they tell you to get off their property and you say “I could have shot you but I didn’t”

[@shadowthoughts7959]

Janeway: "What is it?" IRL: "One of the single most common forms of exo-planet discovered to date."

[@Thescott16]

This was actually one of my favorite episodes of Voyager.

[@jonathansands3304]

As much as I loved Voyager, these scenes have some bits that make me queasy. They first arrive, wonder what’s holding it together, and Kim identifies a containment field holding it together. But when Janeway says it’s unique in her experience and the alien suggests his theory that it formed naturally like a gas giant, and she just says “Makes sense”?!? Half the planets in our solar system are gas giants; if this, like them, was a natural way for planets to form, it would be unlikely to be so unique - and did she just ignore Kim’s finding of a containment field? I don’t think those are a natural phenomenon! (Before someone says the aliens put it there, they only found it 300 years ago; if it needed a containment field to keep from dissipating, it would have been scattered long before they arrived.) The only benefit of the doubt I can give her is that what “Makes sense” is that the alien thinks it’s the most likely case, even though she knows better. The other issue is her response in the initial battle. You approach a planet; ships come out, and fire a single shot that does not do any significant damage through your shields. If you want to show you aren’t aggressive, is the best response to fire back and disable them? What about, oh, backing off to show you are not intending to intrude, and only firing defensively if they continue to follow and attack? She was lucky her response didn’t escalate the situation and force her to kill the aliens.

[@brienboru7203]

Their weapons were disabled, how exactly were they going to escalate the situation from there? She opened a line of communications, was ignored and fired upon, she tried again, stating that she was no there to fight them, they fired again, she fired a disabling that left their ships and crew intact and then offered to leave if they wished once they eventually responded to her hail (note that they only attempted to communicate after being disabled, while Janeway tried both upon initially sighting the vessels and again after being fired upon to communicate) Janeway did nothing wrong. To reverse the situation, the aliens are lucky that their decision to ignore an open line of communication and go directly on the attack only resulted in them being disabled, not destroyed. Being attacked by 3 unidentified warships who are refusing to respond to communications is pretty clearly justification for self defense and the alien's are lucky that the captain of the ship they were attacking was very genial in demeanor and was more inclined to continue communication attempts rather then to destroy the vessels attacking her.

[@mastere6115]

Brien Boru explained the point about the attacking issue you had well enough, so I won't get into it. But for the point about her saying "makes sense" I mean yeah, it can be confusing why she already knew it was man made, and then said it makes sense to then suggesting it was natural. But it definitely has to be the case of her not wanting to be outwardly rude to them by saying that both your religion, and your scientific research is wrong, and we figured it out in one sesor reading. Them saying it, would mean that, even though they are advanced enough to have space and warp ships, that they where not that advanced overall, and had alot to learn, and it would be her basically letting them to make the discovery themselves, rather than just outright telling them. So it definitely makes sense for her to be saying it to be nice about the fact its their beliefs.

[@glennchartrand5411]

The thing I hated about the Voyager series was that in TNG and DS9 you had two competent commanding officers displaying real leadership qualities. Janeway on the other hand was just flat out toxic, she behaved like a tyrant instead of a leader.

[@StarryStarryNocturne]

@@glennchartrand5411 Cause the predominantly male writing team had no idea how to write a female captain.

[@glennchartrand5411]

@@StarryStarryNocturne No , they originally created a competent Captain to be played by Mary McDonnell but ditched her in favor of a more "Feminist" Character to appeal to Millennials. Mary McDonnell's version of Janeway was eventually reincarnated as Laura Roslin in Battle Star Galactica. So Battle Star Galactica got this unforgettable Woman who just exuded leadership and Voyager got a character who was just cringe inducing.

[@marianpazdzioch6632]

"What's holding it together ?" "Looks like there is some sort of containment field" Or maybe, you know, gravity ?

[@fekalistagrzybowory7619]

Dokładnie, Marianie. Nasuwa się pytanie, czy planeta w całości pokryta wodą jest w stanie wytworzyć pole magnetyczne oraz... atmosferę.

[@marianpazdzioch6632]

@@fekalistagrzybowory7619atmosferę nie tylko może ale i musi wytworzyć. Woda paruje już w temperaturze 1st Celsjusza, więc jeśli jest w stanie ciekłym to raczej na pewno paruje, a para to jest już atmosfera. Czy może wytworzyć pole magnetyczne - a czemu by nie mogła ? Wystarczy żeby miała takie jądro jak Ziemia. To czym jest pokryta nie ma tu wielkiego znaczenia.

[@a2ndopynyn]

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[@pastychomper4939]

@@a2ndopynyn kzbin.info/www/bejne/joqwdmqJf85niJo

[@christopherg2347]

This thing is clearly not big enough for hydrostatic equilibrium. It is only a ocean, after all. Escape velocity could be below a serious wave, meaning it should be loosing water and thus dissipate over a mere century.

[@NoBudjetFilms]

Oh I wish this planet and species was in STO. Would love to visit it for a mission.

[@michaelgreenwood3413]

Well, you could make them easily with the Alien maker.

[@ericg5791]

The actor who played 'Rega' , Willie Garson,passed away just last week

[@Qwertworks]

:(

[@jonathannilsson8482]

Fuck really? I've been watching a bit of Hawaii 5-0 recently where he plays a artist/forgerer. Been some years now since I saw Voyager (well before I started properly watching Hawaii 5-0). I instantly knew that voice when I heard him now though.

[@ericg5791]

@@jonathannilsson8482 Yh/ Alas,for me,he's one of those character actors who,..you known their 'face/voice' but their names obscure

[@csg-cutesmilegooner1690]

I watch this episode a few days ago and I loved it. You gotta love Seven and the Delta flyer.

[@Majima_Nowhere]

"Some sort of containment field keeping it from dissipating." Uh... Gravity, ensign Kim?

[@DavidKnowles0]

I doubt gravity alone would be enough to keep a ball of water intact.

[@Majima_Nowhere]

@@DavidKnowles0 Gravity is enough to keep giant balls of hydrogen together. And surface tension lets water do this. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpDUgYqQl915opo A combination of the two would be more than enough to keep a planet-sized ball of water together in space.

[@Mark_The_Chemist]

@@Majima_Nowhere ...I seriously doubt water alone would have the mass to form enough gravity to hold a water planet together. At least a water planet that is only 1200 km in diameter. A much, much larger water planet maybe, but not one this small.

[@rickyhall7514]

Planets develop into a certain size/mass to sustain gravity for their specific makeup of elements. That's why the smallest planets have to be rock (iron) whereas the gas planets are enormous.

[@schwarzerritter5724]

A planet needs a magnetic field to protect itself from the solar wind. That is how Mars lost its atmosphere.

[@StillJustDreaming]

So...the center of their planet has stopped behaving properly and that's affecting the whole planet? And the only way to fix it is to get to the center, but no one has been able to do that until now? (Anyone else thinking of the movie "The Core"? )

[@Dante20321]

Hahaha yeah

[@AlanCanon2222]

I love that dumb movie.

[@estudiordl]

Well, this episode is from 98 and the movie is 2003, so maybe the writers of the episode were inspired by the book itself... 😁

[@LGranthamsHeir]

Also the cause of Krypton's destruction, as stated in 'Man of Steel.'

[@argonwheatbelly637]

They're going to need an unlimited supply of Xena tapes and HotPockets.

[@pastychomper4939]

Something I've wondered for a long time. When a Starfleet vessel is a long way from home and gets fired on by an unknown, uncommunicative alien who may have vast reinforcements nearby, why do the higly-trained tactical officers have to wait for the captain to tell them to raise shields?

[@fearisthemind-killer]

Raising shields is considered a hostile action. If the alien is giving you a warning shot, you may want to keep shields lowered to keep from looking provocative. Defer to the captain to keep from getting blamed for the ship being blown up.

[@chuchulainn9275]

​@@fearisthemind-killer Which never made sense to me. Raising a shield is a DEFENSIVE posture so how is it hostile? Would a turtle going into its shell be considered hostile?

[@wildgurgs3614]

Speculation: The ship automatically raises the shields, and the captain calling for the shields to be raised merely means for the tactical officer to enter the command to raise shields manually as a redundancy.

[@jacobe2995]

or the crew turns on strobes and goes into combat mode but shields are automatic? @@wildgurgs3614

[@jeepsblackpowderandlights4305]

Yellow alert raises shields but not weapons.

[@IIISentorIII]

Janeway: "Take us in closer Tom Kim: "I have 15 Borg Cubes emerging from the water Captain"

[@Wayoutthere]

Judging by how Voy nerfed the Borg I'd guess they would take em all out with ease...

[@user-vo7vp1xm9q]

Ice Borgs, right ahead!

[@ArkAngelHFB]

@@TheCoolCucumber Yeah it was out of this world.

[@cruss4612]

@UCeihuRTdQ7C4vj-pnSSbgNA Voyager takes place 12 years after Q introduced Picard to the borg. One would expect that Starfleet would have figured out ways to fight the borg after that long. I mean, there was when Enterprise first met them, when Picard got abducted, Wolf 359, First Contact... that's at least 4 encounters that Starfleet could identify opportunities for tactics and weaknesses. Then, after Wolf 359 you would be doomed to perish as a civilization if you didn't do EVERYTHING to develop new technology and tactics. I think at one point they even mention in Voyager that a lot of the tech on Voyager came as a result of trying to find a way to defeat the Borg. Voyager even takes place after the Defiant was built, which was basically purpose built for destroying Cubes. The Borg never really assimilated anything more advanced than the federation, so while they had superior technology, including things that still presented a problem post Voyager, they didn't really advance much themselves. That's basically the Borgs fatal flaw, they seek advancement through taking the technology of existing races. They don't make breakthroughs of their own. Had the Borg ever tried to R&D they could have overran the galaxy in no time. But they relied on stealing from others. As a result, the Federation found better shields, phasers, tactics, and sensors. They could tell when the Borg were around sooner, how to avoid them, where to hit when they had to fight, and what to do to avoid adaptation by the borg. Federation ships also could take far more devastating hits than before. They didn't "nerf" the Borg. The very nature of the Borg nerfed the Borg. They stood effectively still while Starfleet took off running. Voyager was a boss ass bitch because the Federation made her to be because they knew they needed to fight the Borg, and their existence depended on it.

[@CoralCopperHead]

@@Wayoutthere I have two words for you: _Infinite Modulation._

[@Beezer.D.B.]

Oh, this was one of my favorite episodes! Very cool visuals to see the ship approach a giant ball of ocean! Some of the underwater scenes were nice too.

[@SaraMorgan-ym6ue]

under the sea down where it's wetter no place is better take it from me🤣🤣🤣

[@Beezer.D.B.]

🎵🧜🏻‍♀️🦞🎶

[@Beezer.D.B.]

Another favorite of mine! 🥰​@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue

[@SaraMorgan-ym6ue]

@@Beezer.D.B. meh it's the song that comes to mind when I see this episode of voyager and those ships pop out to attack voyager🤣

[@denisalbert2595]

That feeling when you finish Watching a series and wonder now What? I enjoyed watching this show

[@Swatmat]

you start the one you watched first again, and just keep going

[@antwan1357]

Admiral Ackbar would love to meet these people.

[@mister.dynamite]

I think you guys are confused.... this is Star Trek Voyager not Star Wars!

[@mister.dynamite]

@@jb9243 *I suggest you book yourself in for an appointment immediately, to see Dr. Fraiser Crain (Psychiatrist).*

[@mister.dynamite]

@@jb9243 Kelsey Grammar plays Fraiser..... 🙄 nevermind! Lol

[@mister.dynamite]

@@jb9243 No, no, he's from *BUCK ROGERS in the 25th Century* tv show! 😇

[@mister.dynamite]

@@jb9243 Maybe.... 🤔 its worth looking into!

[@jayt9608]

I love how Captain Janeway includes Tom in her invitation after Tuvak just squished him. Her, Tuvak, and Chakotay were playing the role of parents and disapproving uncle to this crew, and it appears to work fairly well all things being equal.

[@zenzombie72]

Funny how they know what a handshake is.

[@JonnyRicter]

zenzombie72 and a kilometer. Lol.

[@JackVermicelli]

@@JonnyRicter If language is machine-translated in realtime, there's no reason to suppose that it's not converting units also.

[@JonnyRicter]

A.J. Steinman that makes sense.

[@ianantonius7287]

@@JackVermicelli And it twists their bodies too, to translate their greeting into a handshake.

[@DOGMA1138]

They are supposedly a purely aquatic lifeform (as the planet has no land mass) that somehow managed to build a technological society which is quite impossible (can't make fire underwater, complex chemistry, electricity and industry in general is quite impossible) and they are bipedal and breath atmospheric oxygen the handshake is the least of the issues.

[@AnansitheSpider8]

Captain Janeway: "There's coffee in that ocean." Do you all remember that episode where Seven of Nine was accusing Janeway of purposely stranding Voyager in the Delta Quadrant? Well, one conspiracy theory she should have come up with was how Janeway purposely stranded Voyager in the Delta Quadrant because she was hoping to find a damn good cup of coffee. Also Captain Janeway: "There's coffee in that Delta Quadrant."

[@dalea1691]

I remember that one. 7 of 9 kept coming up with different conspiracies. Something was going wrong with her Borg implants. I think

[@andrewjones9547]

she did give a nebula creature internal bleeding for ome coffee

[@TommygunNG]

@@dalea1691 Seven was overloading her mind with info. So many facts, and her mind was putting them together in oddball, but seemingly logical ways. Kinda like how our minds defrag when we dream. Seven got taken in by it. It's one of the risks of being as intelligent as she and I are.

[@superpj]

Janeway is the kind of person that runs up in your yard and yells WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?

[@RB-xj5zv]

A great series.

[@gbear1005]

Lol.. they talk about pressure in the center of a mass held together by a containment field.. by definition the highest pressure would be at the surface..no gravity source.

[@scribblescrabble3185]

"no gravity source" what made you think, that a sphere of water with a radius of at least 600 km wouldn't exhibit gravity, or in the words of GRT, warp spacetime, and thus experience an inward directed pressure gradiant? This space ocean is bigger and more massive than many moons of our system (Tethys and Japetus, moons of Saturn, are approximately of the same size and density as this fictious space ocean) and as long as it isn't within the Roche limit of a planet it would likely survive for quite a time. A "containment field" would still be necessary to counteract losses, since with the temperatures of liquid water the speed of a considerable part of the molecules of the water vapor atmosphere would exceed escape velocity, but the pressure within would only amount to the vapor pressure of water.

[@SSingh-nr8qz]

THIS Is something that has always bothered me about Star Trek. They can detect subspace particles in great detail from lightyears away, but their sensors need to be this close to figure out it's an ocean?! Come on man!

[@-M0LE]

S Singh if they could do everything there wouldn’t be a show

[@SSingh-nr8qz]

@@-M0LE I would disagree, How advanced these sensors are to do what they do at such a range, you could still say detect a planet with an ocean, and detect signs of lifeforms and structures. All things valuable to explorers. Example: We have Tabby's Star. With our sensors on Earth we have detected all sorts of things about it but one of the more wilder claims is seems to fit the description of a Dyson Sphere around the star. True or not, if we had the ability to cross the stars. We would be checking that out to see what is going on to get more details. An ENTIRE planet that is an ocean shouldn't be a surprise when they pull up to the planet. They should be interested in anomalies that haven't seen before, that they can detect but have no clue what it is. That is the Star Trek universe. Detect something. Explore. Kirk screws everything in sight, and Spock raises his eye brow in disapproval.

[@yourcaseworker6916]

Joe Biden forgot to endorse this message... *COME ON MAN!*

[@mikebronicki6978]

@@yourcaseworker6916 not a political site. Scram.

[@melissamiranti4858]

At range you might conclude that the sensors were giving you a false reading. After all, an ocean in space is hard to believe. Get closer, figure out what it is, and in this case they got confirmation.

[@tuk955]

2:40 They are living in the delta quadrant, deep in the ocean, never met a human before…yet they shaking hands first. This is one of the things that Voyager failed to realize.

[@diogenesesenna9323]

It's not all that far fetched. When the western world first started to contact 'primative' societies (I use the word primitive with hesitation), they found that most possessed some form of the handshake/forearm grasp greeting of friendship. Since it's original meaning is 'I am not armed with knife/sword/club and mean you no harm', it doesn't seem that far fetched that most bipedal species would develop their own recognisable version very early on.

[@Ariemius]

@@TheCoolCucumber While this would be a very real concern in real life contact with aliens, it is only a concern when needed as a plot device on Star Trek. They probably remembered to use their Federation Hand Sanitizer this time. On a related note my biggest pet peeve of the universe is the wildly varying medical abilities. I mean with their cellular regeneration technology alone you could probably have a fountain of youth. Or a horrifying bio-weapon, but that is for a much darker timeline.

[@sword4005]

or janeway offered to shake their hands when they came aboard and there just repeating the act on the bridge

[@jacobdrj101]

BDE, Willie Garson... RIP...

[@lovipoekimo176]

The Monean captain was talking to Janeway from Janeway's quarters....

[@davecrupel2817]

Pretty much a perfect introduction, and beginning of First Contact.

[@chickenfingers6108]

3:33 Is that the actor that plays Marty on Stargate Sg1, episode Wormhole Extreme?

[@davidkelly4210]

Yes, yes it is.

[@luminatrixfanfiction]

Yep

[@luminatrixfanfiction]

Dianna Troi actress (Marina Sirtis) also played role in one of the episodes (Watergate) in Stargate SG1. You'll find a lot of cross guest appearances crossing over to other TV series :) For example, the Doctor (Robert Picardo) was Woosley in Stargate Atlantis.

[@supaspydamn]

And Sex and the City 🤣

[@pokemaul2k4]

Also Mozzy from White Collar. He was a staple through that show instead of a single episode guest star.

[@GeoStreber]

"Are those starships or submarines?" "Yes."

[@Groza_Dallocort]

Voyager don't like to go underwater the a modified Delta Flyer though

[@jutau]

Willie Garson, you'll be missed.

[@ILOVETHEWHAMMY]

The one in red is Willie Garrison, who passed away this past week!

[@PurpleRain123453]

So a sphere of water with a radius 600km has a mass of approximately 9e+20 (9 with 20 zeroes) kilograms. This means that an object of 100kg at the surface of the "planet" would experience a gravitational force of... 16 newtons. That's about three and a half pounds of force. You could literally swim into orbit.

[@ZEZERBING]

Alians know handshakes in the delta quadrant.

[@SpecialGuestStar]

2:06 Chakotay's look suggests he has to clean the carpet in the corridors after every alien tour on Voyager.

[@tristanjones429]

Lol

[@joermnyc]

More like, "and they'll get more of a storyline than my character... Again."

[@Mark73]

"How many atmospheres of pressure can the ship withstand?" "Well, it's a space ship so I'd say somewhere between zero and one".

[@sarahberkner]

Funny, but the ship has to withstand "turbulence" like if it goes in a nebula or wormhole, and has to keep from being pulled apart by the vacuum of space, so it should probably be able to withstand considerable pressure.

[@terrellmandamin9672]

I love this scene, reminds of an episode from tng when the enterprise makes first contact

[@NPCSingularity]

I always loved seeing Willie Garrison show up in a show as a guest star. He will be greatly missed.

[@Egilhelmson]

Willie “Garson”, not Garrison.

[@NPCSingularity]

@@Egilhelmson thanks! Must have been spell correct. I would edit my comment but you’ve done such an amazing job of making sure I’m correct I don’t have to! Thanks bud!

[@FlyingProbe]

Back in the day when Star Trek people were using their brains and talked with other beings...

[@Shendue]

And fans say this is bad writing. Compared to STD and Picard, this is Shakespeare.

[@Yora21]

We come in peace, shot to kill!

[@aojathotmail]

Though I like that they are trying, the fanbase for star trek has never been forgiving.

[@michaelgreenwood3413]

@@aojathotmail And the more Conservative ones have always been idiots.

[@sarahberkner]

I liked Picard season 3, and a lot of fans like Strange New Worlds. But I think a lot of Trekkies look at the past through rose-colored glasses.

[@lpg12338]

Great, now I have to watch the whole episode. 😁

[@kevinm.8682]

Cue a track from the Staples Singers performing "I'll Take You There".

[@Dank_Jeb]

Harry: what is it? Me: it's been a long road

[@LGranthamsHeir]

"..Getting from there to here..."

[@MikinessAnalog]

@@LGranthamsHeir "..it's been a long time but my time is finally near ...'

[@LGranthamsHeir]

@@MikinessAnalog "...And I can feel the change in the wind right now. Nothing's in my way..."

[@Steve-hd6qk]

"And they're not gonna hold me down no more. .. No they're not gonna hold me down."

[@LGranthamsHeir]

@@Steve-hd6qk "...Cause I've got faith of the heart. I'm going where my heart will take me...."

[@dancrane3807]

We're mildly concerned that we lost 7% of the mass in 1 year. Not too worried though, at that rate we should last for another good 14 years or so.

[@GlitzPixie]

incredible writing

[@posindustries]

Do you actually think that only having 14 years before what is essentially your entire planet disintegrates is no big deal?

[@luckymouse1988]

The guy said that most people prefer to live on their ships like their nomadic ancestors did, so chances are that most of their civilization would be ok with reverting back to a nomadic existence.

[@dancrane3807]

@@posindustries Trump thinks so, and since I voted for him, I guess I have to go along with that.

[@MLBlue30]

@@dancrane3807 What a strange oddly political response.

[@storbokki371]

They said the depth (radius) is 600 kilometers. For reference the Earth's radius is 3,959 miles (6,371 kilometers).

[@parkerxgps8101]

RIP Willie, thanks.

[@erichayes2890]

Interesting how the producers have altered the appearance of that species for underwater survival.

[@CoralCopperHead]

"We are not building a 'space hot-rod."' "That's _exactly_ what we're building!!"

[@hurmzz]

“We have no hostile intentions.” Literally the next sentence…

[@JoybuzzerX]

I can't help but feel they could've easily just left when they were being fired at :p

[@dreamingflurry2729]

Hm...I'd never give a dignitary a tour of either main engineering, the armory or the Bridge! Everything else? Sure, but not the ships most vital areas!

[@CoralCopperHead]

All vital functions in critical areas can be locked down, and the modular nature of the LCARS operating system makes it easy to swap out functions between terminals -- I'm pretty sure that's the entire point of it, if I remember correctly. It would literally take a single voice command, like "Computer, activate Civilian Mode" to restrict and stop displaying any sensitive information or functions in those areas. That's not even considering that, with the proper personal command codes and a functioning shipwide network, any terminal can fill any function. You could control Engineering from the Bridge (or really, anywhere from anywhere) while the terminals down below handle those bog-standard diganostics that Starfleet vessels always need to perform. With all that being said, however, you're right about the stupidity of showing off the Armoury and the warp core. I always thought having it on display smack in the middle of Engineering was a terrible idea.

[@samoangimli2640]

This would of been a great episode to deploy the seaQuest 😊

[@williamabbott9413]

Me getting ready for an aero shuttle scene: then realizing that the delta flyer will be re-modified for the 9th time because it “works”

[@jimward89]

its a beautiful ocean

[@hankkingsley2976]

It... Is...it is green.

[@Dante20321]

I see what you did there 😂

[@jeanne8507]

Dante202 - Me too! 😉

[@petersoumanis5494]

The guy in the red hat is from Sex and the City

[@foreverred105]

Just noticed this myself

[@s.h.8228]

Good show. 👍😃

[@Ulandyw]

RIP Willie Garson

[@fredlandry6170]

Interesting an ocean planet with no land at all held by a containment field.

[@DavidKnowles0]

Sound like something that whale probe species would build.

[@Elly3981]

Could an ocean only planet actually exist?

[@michaelgreenwood3413]

@@Elly3981 Yes. In fact, there's potentially a few in our Solar system, like Titan or Europa.

[@tomjustis7237]

Trivia alert! At 0.02 Tom Paris comes onto the bridge wearing a leather jacket with a rudimentary control panel on his chest. He was wearing this because he had been on the holodeck playing "Captain Proton", a comic book style hero who could fly with the aid of a jet pack on his back and the controls on his chest. (One of Tom's favorite off duty pastimes.) This was actually a direct steal from a 1940's serial called "Rocket Man" (if I remember the name correctly) in which a government agent used "advanced" and "secret" technology to fight crime. Basically a modern sci-fi show paid homage to one of the original sci-fi shows!

[@deletebilderberg]

We KNOW 🙄

[@jeremypresutti]

"Trivia". It's literally a major plot point in the show.

[@CanChikMay]

I dont recall this ep! Ill have to check it out

[@EdTowel-ww7yh]

This is the episode when Lt Parris was busted down to Ensign Parris.

[@Afterburner215]

Water worlds aren't that hypothetical as the show makes it out to be; imagine a world like Europa but closer to the Sun, or Earth if it was larger and held more water.

[@SportyMabamba]

Agreed, but this is presented as a sphere of water in space separate from a planet

[@BariumBlue]

Haha I was thinking that. You don't need to invent a "gravitational containment field"! Ocean planets already exist! It'd be like calling Earth a blob of rock and water held together by a "gravitational containment field"! Unintentional comedy.

[@JathTech]

Without enough mass, the water will evaporate and the gasses will escape. We're talking about a globular sphere with less gravity than our moon. Something has to hold it together.

[@SportyMabamba]

@@JathTech agreed, and in the episode I seem to recall some sort of gravity generator at the centre of the ‘ocean’ was doing just that.

[@jeffumbach]

@@JathTech and if it's massive enough to have enough gravity to not dissipate it will have a solid core as the pressure alone will crush the water into an ice form.

[@bartolomeestebanmurillo4459]

I can barely remember this episode. I know astronomers have extrapolated ocean planets would have waters thousands of miles deep.

[@Milamberinx]

You didn't think Tom Paris was demoted for exceeding port speed in the Delta Flyer, did you?

[@jeffumbach]

Yeah but those theoretical planets still have solid cores.

[@nuclearwinter391]

A water planet seems easier to maintain. Also, if there's no bottom, an ocean loses its mystery.

[@Astraeus..]

Voyager "going home" is basically the way I play open-world games, which is to say every time I'm on my way to do something to do with the story I notice something and I"m like "ooh, let's go see what that is"....and that's why Witcher 3 took me 500 hours to beat :/

[@mikevanroy9356]

Let me guess. They make clones.

[@dariusgreysun]

Necks are too short

[@theLOSTranger234]

going to the center of a space ocean, where the pressure is beyond intense how many how many atmospheres can the ship withstand? it's a spaceship so probably anywhere between 1, and zero

[@leexgx]

Guess you didn't watch the episode when the Delta flyer was made and what it was flew into (but I agree Delta flyer isn't a sub but I believe they probably would have had enough time to have weed out the structural integrity problems they had when they used to fly inside a gas giant to destroy the probe)

[@baneblackguard584]

federation hull integrity is dependent on powered energy fields. if not for the bolstered structural integrity it wouldn't even be able to move with impulse engines. Without shield technology Federation starships would literally tear themselves apart and probably wouldn't even be able maintain atmospheric pressures inside the ship. A Federation starship that has truly lost power is in extremely dire circumstances.

[@RobertJones-ux6nc]

Have watched STO, STNG, DS9, ENTERPRISE, and have seen some Picard, but have not seen any of the others yet. Waiting to see more of Picard and Dicovery though on Paramont channel.

[@austinperry1671]

It’s vastly different….some of the original trekkies are not fans of discovery or Picard, or lower decks

[@skullkrusher4078]

I miss this show. Wish they still played it on TV.

[@artwriter76]

If you're in the US its on H&I (Heroes and Icons) 6 nights a week.

[@YeoYeo32]

Don’t they air Voyager all the time on BBC America? It and TNG

[@mxplixic]

"It's a large planet covered with water, but that's not important right now."

[@kennethroth6757]

NASA found a water planet million light years away

[@AB7F9]

Being that we are water beings surrounded by a skin containment field...I wonder what they'd look like. Pity we can't go and check it out.

[@yourcaseworker6916]

That's no planet... *IT'S A SPACE STATION!*

[@jaredharris1970]

I like the way Paris just goes over the captain’s head and says we can take u there lol

[@cogentdesign]

Super advanced sensors and it's up to Tom looking at it to determine it's an ocean.

[@MonteLeeMyPOV]

"Janeway to approaching vessel,we have NO hostile intentions" A few seconds later... "Target the main ship and take out their weapons!" Lol

[@LOTRFAN33]

That doesn't contradict what she said. I may not want to attack someone but once that someone attacks me, i have all the right to attack back even if they can barely hurt me.

[@NoJusticeNoPeace]

Ahhh, we come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, shoot to kill! We come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, men!

[@Beezer.D.B.]

@@NoJusticeNoPeace - Weird, I didn't see that scene at all! (Yes, that was sarcasm.)

[@Exiledk]

Fantastic. Every alien in the universe speaks perfect English... We have a lot to thank the British Empire for....

[@trippplefive]

i thought they used universal translators on star trek?

[@allyourpie4323]

@@trippplefive Universal translators are possible because they only need to translate the various dialects of English.

[@user-jm2vo8pm2j]

If they did speak their native tongue, wouldn't their lips move out of sink?

[@TheFlyingZulu]

Yes and thank who ever made such a gravity device to hold a sphere of water together in space... doh.

[@yaldabaoth2]

Britannia ruled even those waves.

[@Deltarious]

The idea of aliens protecting their home opening fire on a starship *immediately* has always bugged me a lot and is probably pretty unrealistic. If you had a race who were curious and weaker or even one who needed help and you blow them out of the water without so much as a warning then their species is just going to come back with everything they've got to try to destroy you. It somewhat makes sense for those races who are *trying* to use stealth and are doing a good job of it, as a last resort when their stealth fails, particularly if they can move, but it makes such little sense for most races *not* to give a warning before a threat gets too close for your comfort

[@user-cc6kd5ye9y]

Would Pluto or some of Jupiter's or Saturn's ice moons not go fully liquid if they were closer to the sun yet had a similar van Allen belt to avoid solar wind damage?

[@jerryhenson3916]

2:56 "And you all live under water?" I'm over here trying to figure out how everyone speaks Earth English.

[@alexwerner487]

Universal translators. Brought up a very long time ago and then promptly ignored as to how they work.

[@RagicaltheUnhallowedKnight]

@@alexwerner487 ​ I'm still wondering how lip sync works, if they speak their own language and it gets translated 😁

[@alexwerner487]

@@RagicaltheUnhallowedKnight they demonstrated it once star trek ds9. Episode statistical probabilities. When reviewing a treaty proposal they listen to weyoun speak dominionese and in english.

[@shawbros]

@@RagicaltheUnhallowedKnight I would prefer their lips not sync, like in the amazing kung fu movies of the 70's-80's.

[@rickschweitzer9845]

Exactly. Universal translator . It works on species and civilizations that humans have never encountered. Lame.

[@crispinjulius5032]

There was always something just...off about this show. The acting and stories seemed cheesy and unbelievable.

[@shiroamakusa8075]

The actors were ordered by Berman to underplay all their scenes so the aliens would make more of an impression. Same reason all Star Trek music became so bland after TNG season 3, it shouldn't "overshadow" the drama of the scenes. Berman was a fucking moron.

[@admiralsquatbar127]

@@shiroamakusa8075 that's like George Lucas telling John Williams to tone it down. It'll ruin the drama of the scene.

[@TanealyaKimBeauty]

I always found it amusing that no species they ever came across was curious about where humans came from considering there no humans in the Delta quadrant. It's especially amusing in the first episodes when they met the Ocampa and Kazon who never questioned where they came from or how they knew their languages lol.

[@delvinginthedepths9042]

@@TanealyaKimBeauty i think every species had universal translators by this point but yeah your point still stands.

[@ProfArmitage218]

RIP Willie Garson.

[@LatteDZ]

very good episode