What life inside Starship's journey to Mars shocked NASA's scientists...

What life inside Starship's journey to Mars shocked NASA's scientists...
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What life inside Starship's journey to Mars shocked NASA's scientists....
Have you ever wondered what life would be like during a six-month journey to Mars?
I guess many people haven't thought about it because what NASA has shown us so far are projects involving sending robots to Mars, rather than clear intentions for human missions.
However, don't think you're incapable of it, because the emergence of SpaceX's Starship will pave the way for Mars trips for everyone.
So, what is life inside the Starship on the journey to Mars? This surely has NASA scientists shocked!
Let’s find out in today's episode of Alpha Tech!

[@merrillalbury8214]

Having served on close quarter submarines, we had no one go insane even though we had missles that could wipe out the world. Also might look at the new inflateable/ expandable space habats. Inflate for the trip and deflate/store for landing.

[@vyacheslavromantovsky1238]

Submarines have up to 100 m3 per person. Not 10 m3. And underwater journey lasts up to 4 months. Not 8 months.

[@UmmerFarooq-wx4yo]

​@@vyacheslavromantovsky1238 they would have to be the best ie old people grey haired like William Shatner

[@jaroslavlistvan4795]

With Optimus being involved in base construction i"d say astronauts will arrive to a finished base with folded origami napkins on the table and chocolate on their pilows.

[@chiaricharlie6608]

Again, thanks man!

[@alphatech4966]

Thank you so much!

[@pegasusted2504]

If you are sending cargo SSs ahead or with a people carrying version you don't have a problem about space. Since you are using cargo ones also then the people carrying one doesn't need much cargo space, just food and stuff, so SpaceX could instead utilise all the cargo space for extra habitation. This would give a hell of a lot more space so the private spaces could be bigger, maybe even to a small cabin per person or maybe in twos. Concerning the solar panels part. They already have a solution for this which would eliminate the need for anyone to go out to do something. F9 is currently used to launch Starlink sats and they have foldable solar panels attached. They could make a super basic SL, without all the service equipment, with roll up panels and launch 50 of them up at a time. SS would then rendezvous with the swarm and then however many need to would manouver and dock with the ports on the ship. This way even if you needed like 5 panels per ship you could launch 10 SSs and all their power would be waiting. Just a thought :~)

[@alphatech4966]

Thank you for your comment! This is a good idea!

[@AngelOfDeath420]

The final version will be larger. My version of starship would be horizontally arranged but still allow a vertical takeoff and landing.

[@sagecoach]

Once proven reliable like Falcon 9, Starship will be a candidate for NASA's nuclear propulsion, travel time much shorter and development faster. Such Nuclear Starships will be the cruise service between Mars and Earth never landing again. Passengers will transfer by landing craft to the surface. Keeping the nuclear systems in orbit will be safe and cost-effective. Perhaps even traveling in a convoy.

[@sagecoach]

Constant propulsion also provides a little gravity.

[@alphatech4966]

a bright future for Starship! I agree with that

[@Bear-form]

The best option.

[@Nuke-MarsX]

spacex wants methane fuel tho, because methane can be produced on mars and then refueled on mars to return here

[@Nuke-MarsX]

and they would need to create a whole new nuclear propulsion system too that doesnt even exist yet, will never happen trust me, atleast not for starship

[@KurtII]

LETS GO

[@mikewallace8087]

Starship / Cybertruck , What's the difference ? Promises made , no deliver.

[@AngelOfDeath420]

Falcon 9! He will make it happen! This stuff take time to create!

[@Steaphany]

Why not use a Methane Fuel Cell for power production and eliminating the need for cryo Hydrogen storage ?

[@Keeazul]

When will those Centrifugal Gravity cabin and Hibernation Caskets be installed in Space X vehicles ? Or HAL 9000 and Atomic Propulsion Engines should come first? We are clearly late for the meeting with Higher Being out there. - Arthur

[@jaykaknes1133]

Where are the header tanks?

[@helgekumpfert4011]

Starship is ideal for lifting heavy payloads into a low Earth orbit. But definitely the wrong vehicle for carrying people from LEO to Mars! During the half year trip artificial gravity is a „must“ to maintain physical fitness. Radiation shielding is another crucial topic. It makes more sense to use specialized „cycler“ shuttles which orbit the sun eliptically between Earth and Mars orbit. They could have a ring shape and rotate, beyond they should have an effective radiation shielding. Once brought into orbit, only very little energy will be needed to keep them travelling between Earth and Mars. For landing on Mars again specialized vehicles should be used - aerodynamically shaped with highly effective heat shields and parachutes.

[@Nuke-MarsX]

if you think you yourself are a rocket scientist and youre so smart, why dont you work at SpaceX or have your own space company

[@helgekumpfert4011]

@@Nuke-MarsX - the „cycler-concept“ is decades old. Its all about physics - you save plenty of delta V. In case, you really want to bring thousands or even millions of people to Mars, its essential to be as efficient as possible. Anyhow, Starship is still the key technology to make the dream real. Because its able to carry all what you need into orbit in an affordable way.

[@Nuke-MarsX]

@@helgekumpfert4011 if they would be as efficient as possible it would take probably over a year to get there, as you may know we are planning to send people there not robots, and people need life support, the faster the better in this case

[@tbur8901]

Starships for interplanetary missions need to be protected from radiation by an inflatable outer skin like Sierra Space's or some other shielding. It might be more economical to wrap or protect three or four ships connected and send them off in one go using the engines of just one or two or connected to a central mother ship with a faster (nuclear) propulsion. Also a space elevator might be much more viable for Mars than Earth, given its thinner atmosphere and lower gravity ? Solar panels attached could provide power from space.

[@helgekumpfert4011]

Makes IMHO more sense to build optimized vehicles for the 3 legs of the journey (Earth-LEO, LEO-LMO, LMO-Mars). It‘s not only about radiation shielding. You should also consider artificial gravity. May be not THAT relevant for the very first missions. But as soon as you have common people on board, you cannot expect they match the physical conditions of a fighter pilot.

[@tbur8901]

@@helgekumpfert4011 I agree a modular approach may make more sense, I was reasoning with the current starship as the basis for this video. A purpose designed starship could act as an earth to orbit carrier dropping fuel tanks and other modules to build interplanetary ships, rather than pumping fuel back and forth. A seperable top section would not need protective tiles, or maybe 3 parts, tip and rocket separating then re-attaching to return to earth. Again I don't know whether this would be more cost-effective than just leaving whole starships up in space. If an alternative propulsion for space flight comes available it would also have to be carried up and built modular or attached to each separate starship. As for Mars, Space-X is about cost-effectiveness and an elevator would be more effective as well as hopefully safer then landing numerous rockets on Mars.

[@djohannsson8268]

The first missions will seem space luxurious to the later 100 sardine packed ones. Hopefully NTP or other advanced propulsion method will reduce the flight time to mars to just a couple months by then. The first colony base members will be specialists, space engineers and scientists, whose function is to expand the base to become a fully self-sufficient research station. To transition to an environment to support non-specialists will require massive infrastructural changes. Pre-planning, food production, recycling plants, individual sleeping areas. Would not expect this to happen for at least a few years. This is mainly because the harsh working surface environment precludes humans working more than a few hours per day. Hopefully NASA/Space X embraces inflatable habitats covered with Mars regolith. Then each cargo Starship could contain a complete Self-sufficient modular base group.

[@pegefounder]

06:26 The current record of thin film photovoltaic is 23 W peak per g. So one t of this thin film has 23 MW peak. That is far more than to support 100 people. This can be used for ion beam drives to shorten the journey. 07:00 hydrogen? Far to heavy. Think how much energy can be stored in one t. 07:18 Are You joking? H2 has no chance on the car market.

[@Nuke-MarsX]

youre not a rocket scientist, dont act like one

[@pegefounder]

@@Nuke-MarsX Oh really? D You know me?

[@Nuke-MarsX]

@@pegefounder either you're making a stupid joke or I'm certain you're not a rocket scientist based of your comment

[@pegefounder]

@@Nuke-MarsX I know physics, photovoltaic and ion beam drives.

[@Nuke-MarsX]

@@pegefounder SpaceX uses methane because it can be manufactured on mars to refuel there, and ion beam is efficient yes, but when humans are traveling it's more important to get them there faster which is the opposite of ion beam drives

[@sagecoach]

With nuclear power, if the Starship Cruse version accelerated and decelerated en route at one Earth G leaving Earth deducing at a constant rate to one Mars G, how long would the trip take? My math isn't that good. And I don't know the orbital velocity for the Earth or Mars orbits involved. The passengers would be acclimated comfortably by such a journey and not stressed en route.

[@Nuke-MarsX]

there is no nuclear power, wdym?

[@sagecoach]

There is in development for propulsion and already some in space operation a long time for electrical power. Nuclear heat can expand a gas accelerating it out a rocket engine nozzle or produce electricity to ionize a gas to do the same. And there are other ways. @@Nuke-MarsX

[@jakesmith4506]

All of the technical advances will mean little if you have a personal conflict between crew members during the flight. The only way to ensure that the crew will arrive to mars without a murder is to put them to sleep for the majority of the voyage. Close quarters with crew members can lead to physical violence and possible fatalities due to lack of cabin space. A crew member with a similar personality of LISA NOWAK (space shuttle crew member on STS-121) could spell disaster during a lengthy trip to Mars. Conflict is inevitable in a close quarter environment, therefore, less contact between crew members has a better possibility of delivering the crew safely to Mars without a deadly fight. The last issue is the ability to land a tall cylindrical spacecraft on an uneven surface of a planet with no level landing station.

[@UmmerFarooq-wx4yo]

Steel is very heavy.

[@johnnoname6814]

spin the starship for gravity

[@israelitenet]

Emergency!!! Baffles will not work to prevent the slushing problem, because the tanks of Starship system are too large. The tanks of Starship and superheavy need 2 disks valves, expanding the diameter of each tank. One of the disks rotates above the other disk to close the overlaping holes on the surface of the disks; to reduce the Size of the tank by dividing it, before any rotation of the rocket. This will prevent slushings and protect the plumbing, if located 10% above the bottom section of each tank. Large telescopic pistons can be attached below the bottom of disk valves to control the fuel pressure as the piston expands into the fuel. I have built a model that works perfectly. The second disk valve can be located 10% below the front of the tank, to also protect the front of the tanks from the slushing forces. Why is Elon not using four pins instead of three to secure each heat tyles? What is more important than that?😊

[@k.sullivan6303]

Toiletries: Perhaps a portion of the toilet bowl spins. Perhaps there is suction that is created in there as well, like a vacuum tube message system (which I think is a bit of a dinosaur system these days). Perhaps when the business is done, the rotation of the bowl slows down, and then releases the waste as the suction port at the bottom of the bowl opens all the way. If a small amount of water or vapor is needed, perhaps about 50 gallons of water could be recycled and cleaned for this purpose. The water purifier could just do perhaps only 25 or 50 % of the quality of what an actual drinking water purifier would do, but perhaps with the waste water purification goal is to just get it to a point where the sludge, fecal matter, and smell is gone, and the water is perhaps a little grey looking, and could have a natural additive added to it from the Purified Waste Tank to help remove the last bit of germs and smell. Drinking water is a whole new system perhaps. Any ideas to add? Is this just a dumb idea that could never work? Let me know.

[@plorks445]

What happened to Elon's Hyperpoop?

[@twilinski1]

Hydrogen fuel cells are a bad idea as they are important in the space O2. Implementation H2 in cars is very problematic and is rolled out in many European markets as now economically efficient compared to battery technologies. In the space, more sense may have used nuclear power.

[@alphatech4966]

That's right!

[@UmmerFarooq-wx4yo]

How many sheep can you put in a starship?

[@TimDavies1955]

Such bulls,,,t it’s for robots . , tunnel machines robotic factories etc . Very few people required

[@Nuke-MarsX]

have you seen what the most advanced robots humanity can offer are, "not many people required" riiight

[@ruschein]

Again with the "shocked" nonsense!

[@CPX723]

This channel lately "Elon replied 'Cool' on NASA's tweet about Mars and it SHOCKED NASA scientists!" Everything "shocks" NASA.

[@ruschein]

@@CPX723 I know, the people working there must be very easily surprised indeed!

[@dirklutz7292]

That’s how KZbin works and there’s so much disinformation from pictures on titles of dogs on Mars 😂 to alien heads 🫨on pentagon officials desks testifying in front of Congress. LOL.

[@dirklutz7292]

Very smug presentation

[@ninehundreddollarluxuryyac5958]

They should recruit homeless Americans who are already used to living in their car, or a tent. We are already used to living in the tiny accommodations that billionaire musk said would drive people crazy in under a month.

[@Nuke-MarsX]

you think homeless people can do high level engineering, medicine, and science and maintain mental health. i dont think so lmfao. thats like sending 3 homeless people to the moon, i wonder how that wouldve went

[@jakesmith4506]

copied from my earlier post>>> All of the technical advances will mean little if you have a personal conflict between crew members during the flight. The only way to ensure that the crew will arrive to mars without a murder is to put them to sleep for the majority of the voyage. Close quarters with crew members can lead to physical violence and possible fatalities due to lack of cabin space. A crew member with a similar personality of LISA NOWAK (space shuttle crew member on STS-121) could spell disaster during a lengthy trip to Mars. Conflict is inevitable in a close quarter environment, therefore, less contact between crew members has a better possibility of delivering the crew safely to Mars without a deadly fight. The last issue is the ability to land a tall cylindrical spacecraft on an uneven surface of a planet with no level landing station.

[@UmmerFarooq-wx4yo]

I hope they have boost packs for the suits like in starfield

[@cosmostrek2001]

Max people they could send would be 20.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@UmmerFarooq-wx4yo]

That's a lot compared to anything before it

[@Nuke-MarsX]

technically 100 would be possible, with orbit refueling, which they will defiently do

[@Mr1234543211]

Space radiation is going to destroy the brains of Space travelers.

[@alphatech4966]

That's right!

[@UmmerFarooq-wx4yo]

Before space radiation, dark lightning is the greater challenge

[@Nuke-MarsX]

lmfao, the space kathulu will also be a problem. seriously?@@UmmerFarooq-wx4yo

[@Nuke-MarsX]

you think that youre so smart and none of the ACTUAL rocketscientists didnt know this lol

[@Mr1234543211]

@@Nuke-MarsX I think they depend on your stupidity or laziness to develop the military part of that program...