What Makes Music Mid?

[@NuMetalfan1996]

Tbh I think average/boring is the worst you can be in any form of art or entertainment. Because there is nothing to talk about. I would rather watch a bad movie, than a boring one as an example. So something that’s average or boring is to me more offensive.

[@colecannot]

would you rather listen to a bad song over a mid song though?

[@IAmARealAlien]

​@@colecannot depends... if its bad its usually funny so usually bad

[@atlasiscooler4694]

@@colecannot100%.

[@moleedaboi]

Sometimes bad movies can also be bland. I think you mean, you'd rather watch or listen to something that's trying to be interesting but still lacks quality. An album that comes to mind is cherry bomb by Tyler the creator. The album is a bit messy, but it's impossible to draw your attention away from it once you start playing it.

[@NuMetalfan1996]

@@moleedaboi I would rather watch something that’s so bad it’s funny, than watch something that’s boring. Music is different because it’s auditory though. But to me the most offensive thing you can be is bland, I’ve always felt that way about Art and Entertainment. Because something that’s bland isn’t interesting and nothing worth talking about, because there is not much to talk about. I think us humans would rather see someone fail spectacularly, than to see someone only just make it work.

[@NuMetalfan1996]

I remember when we used to call it Meh

[@Lacey-Of-The-Shoe]

@@NuMetalfan1996 The good old days 😔

[@finnngo5914]

ok grandpa lets get you back to bed

[@atomictoaster8013]

time is a flat circle

[@diorsse]

how was vietnam unc

[@remortalized_2]

Mid is a stupid word

[@bryceporter1774]

"Mid" to me will always be highly expensive, well produced but nothing special. And this goes for all types of media. No risks. Nothing interesting. Nothing provocative. I blame marketing tactics that are just "if you like that then you're gonna love this!"

[@fatcock420]

bro i dont wanna be that one person but people keep creating mid because of capitalism

[@ian_does_things6586]

I think it would be interesting to do a video on bands that are said to be “universally hated” (Imagine Dragons, AJR, Coldplay, Nickleback, Maroon 5, etc) yet actively still see chart and sales success. There must be people who love these artists, but are they also the same people who partake in music discourse?

[@patty1181]

Strange. None of this bands are hated (except maybe Nickelback, but it's more ironically) Imagine Dragons and Maroon 5 were popular in KZbin AMVs, and Coldplay is a sort of modern classic. AJR is more of a one-hit wonder, but it's not enough for hate.

[@ian_does_things6586]

@@patty1181 I guess maybe not “hated” as the proper term, but their music has seen a disregard as of late, and while some of that may be due to fall-off/quality, a non-zero amount of that is definitely related to online discourse. Also, AJR are not a one hit wonder. They had hits prior to “Bang!” (If you can remember Weak and Sober Up).

[@ex8800]

Tx2

[@serplunk7146]

coldplay is hated????????

[@AlqhemyA]

@@patty1181 AJR, Imagine Dragons, and new Maroon 5 are all hated by the music community

[@dogspaghetti7118]

In my opinion, music is GREAT if it makes its own little world, and thrives in it. Music is good if beautifully exists in the confines of this world. Music is mid if it just exists in the confines of this world. Music is bad if it’s existence actively makes the world less beautiful

[@blustre]

that's a great way to look at it

[@nuclearshiba3222]

thats how ive always looked at music. i treat each album as its own little “universe” and judge it based on “do i like it?” as a yes or no answer. i hate the trend of rating music

[@nackedgrils9302]

I think that a fast track to make mid music is to aim for what you think your audience wants to hear (usually based on prior success or current successes by other artists) rather than what you want to create and to try pushing out new ideas. In some way it's being safe but not limited to it. Mid music is usually very predictable, it doesn't convey passion or anything else and mostly feels motivated by a desire to make money without putting in the effort.

[@SunnyGoesIn1D]

It’s algorithm-izing yourself.

[@ODDIe-td6qv]

literally shady, all he does is brag about how he's the goat now. it was cool when i was a teen but now it just feels like he's making the same song over and over and over...

[@trashydaze3761]

Maybe important to note that playing to the crowd isn't the same as making music just for money

[@plaz2701]

We should start shaming people who call artists like Steve Lacy and Deftones "TikTok artists"

[@ex8800]

I think there are some people who are tiktok artists and some people who have tiktok fanbases. Steve lacy and deftones have a large tiktok fanbase.

[@DaviValera]

​@@ex8800Every artist have, we are talking about the biggest teen's social media

[@SvrakaMagpie]

​@@ex8800 The only reason they're popular on TikTok is because the app ripped their music to use for audios... I bet 90% of tiktokers who use the audio wouldn't even have sought out those bands on their own

[@daisydroid]

They are tho, cry abt it

[@sarips841]

Youre still in elementary school💀, go eat some crayon​@@daisydroid

[@aboatingbird1316]

Etymology Nerd mentioned 🙏🙏🔥🔥🔥 1:57

[@EmSquems]

No way

[@EmSquems]

Yippee

[@vapaytplay1288]

hell yeah

[@panainpublic]

my immediate reaction aswell

[@itmightbe]

WHAT IS A BORING VIDEO

[@kattej837]

ngl as a swiftie, i stopped liking jack's production. like you cannot tell the difference between some of the tracks he produced on her new album, as opposed to dessner who fits the music to her lyrics. literally some of her deepest lyrics on this album get overshadowed by his mid ahh production.

[@deividcarvalho3525]

I feel the exact same. I'd argue it was okay-ish on midnights but on TTPD it's much more noticeable about how the synth soundscape sounds clunky and wallpaper-ish

[@loverlution]

@@deividcarvalho3525 I think it was fine for the standard album. But I don't find myself ever revisiting the stuff from the Anthology album. Which is genuinely such a shame because her writing for this album is so beautiful

[@blueberrymuffin_144]

you cant even point out a bad thing jacks production does because its all so . meh

[@afkiki17]

Actually I think she was trying too hard even with the lyrics. Some lines wanted to be smart but fell flat. Sonically and lyrically it wasn’t memorable in the slightest.

[@kattej837]

@ I saw someone else say this, but it baffles me that he manages to make it work with Lana but can’t do anything creative with Taylor. I mostly enjoyed the Dessner produced tracks. The only Jack one I liked was ‘who’s afraid of little old me’

[@franciothatguy]

wake up. my 5th favourite person ever on the chill meter dropped

[@blustre]

helll yeah #5

[@franciothatguy]

@@blustre and actively rising up

[@qwertyforwen2342]

@@blustredoes saying hell yeah make you less chill? 😂

[@franciothatguy]

@@qwertyforwen2342 nuh uh

[@Scoop6464]

Bro it’s crazy we have to put a motherloving warning for Taylor hate at this point 😭🙏

[@hooman9554]

I think he's being dramatic. No one is really asking for a warning, it just looks like for the funnies. I can put a warning for wearing the color orange and turn around and complain about people hating on orange clothing too, but that doesn't make much sense

[@NatrollJM]

@@hooman9554 There are unironic swifty accounts in the comments crying about what he said in this video. The warning is completely reasonable

[@Scoop6464]

@ and im being dramatic. Also I hate orange, it makes me PUKE 💅💅💅💅

[@cinque.mp4]

im upset about the ps5 song jumpscare

[@blustre]

i am genuinely sorry for that one

[@lisreads4872]

The filler-ness of albums like this is what makes them so mid. Artists like Drake and Taylor have put out such a sheer amount of music out in such a relatively short period of time, that they have in a way, saturated their own catalogue.

[@meghansullivan6812]

Ready saturated at first like sabotaged and tbh either would work !

[@daisydroid]

We shaming artists for putting out... **Checks notes** music now?

[@laiclaro8763]

​@@daisydroid no. Shame on the big companies for pressuring artists to make too many songs with too little time, causing their creativity to suffocate. More often than not, it's capitalism's fault, not artists'

[@aprilsour]

​@@daisydroid I don't understand how you read the main comment and have such a reductive take.

[@cameronknight1654]

Meh=alright/inoffensive Mid=not good/slightly below average

[@Izzywildflowerr]

a taylor swift disclaimer is so funny 😂

[@tejdy3161]

I thought that "mid" is shorter form of "middle", I never think about using in as below average. I used it a lot for music that I call "basic pop" - (smthing that radio at least in my country is likely going to play) or song taht I personally think is not bad but not my cup of tea.

[@chesspiece4257]

it’s used for “so average/boring it becomes bad”

[@evecates2232]

I thought mid was short for mediocre?

[@smkdbn]

Midness is when something feels formulaic and made for a specific reaction (usually commercial) but doesn't have any more depth beyond first consumption.

[@regeneratedwitch]

Τhe thumbnail had me. I'm a Swiftie for ages but Midnights is just mid... Nothing to add, no great melodies, no good beat drops, just noisy synths that get annoying.

[@LadyNariel]

Old Swiftie here too, and while I did like Midnights, I also think it wasn't that big of a deal, and certainly didn't deserve the album of the year award, the other nominees were so much better.

[@nyaradzochivandire5758]

Midnights is one of my favourites tbh 😭😭

[@regeneratedwitch]

@ many people like it for some reason! I can only listen to maroon and the Great War with pleasure. (Yes I love the 3am edition minus “Paris” but I rarely revisit)

[@KevinLuper99]

Isn't that all generic pop music?

[@regeneratedwitch]

@@KevinLuper99 nope! 1989 wasn't generic, reputation wasn't generic. The melodies had something, the structure was on okey, the build up was there... Even Lover had something, tho not my fav of her. Nothing she does on pop entertains me anymore. Take ICDITWABH for example. Abomination.

[@carlaaap123]

i actually find the term “mid” pretty subjective because i loved Midnights since it came out and I still like it, it has some great moments. however, The Tortured Poets Department is the definition of mid for me, it’s so boring

[@ReebsHutcherson]

The person who called MGK worse than mid has my respect

[@j4irooo]

i think being “mid” is when an artist fails to grow and progress. i feel like as artists, they are supposed to always be improving their craft with every project they create. in the case of drake, he went from having an iconic/ recognizable sound in the 2010s to just common basic trap beats. the goal of artists now is just trending and success, which isn’t wrong but it leads to terrible music when it’s the only motive.

[@M0ONCommander]

It's tragic cause it's been a trend even for artists mainly known for their constant innovation. Madonna post-confessions feels nothing like the artist that used her status as a superstar to bring fringe and underground sounds to the mainstream. Kylie Minogue releasing a second part for "Tension". An album that was already a reiteration of what she was doing on "Disco". And don't get me wrong, nu-disco has given us gems like Espresso, but there are other genres to explore 😭

[@j4irooo]

@ innovation is the main fuel of art. idk how so many artists don’t realize that. and i don’t get why fans want an artist to sound like a project they’ve made before instead of a completely new sound. imagine if kanye still was doing soul beats to day. it honestly would get repetitive and boring (not saying his latest music is better but you get my point). in my opinion this is why artists who self produce will always be better. they don’t need to worry about placements of other producers or just buying a yt beat and call it a day. they have genuine creativity. its a shame these “mid” artists will always overshadow the ones with genuine talent

[@rego425]

the word "mid" being more of an insult rather than as a way to say "it's eh" makes me so annoyed. like how does an entire generation devolve and misuse a term they created??

[@jamesw.9256]

Because of the idea that being mid is worse than being bad since there's, to some people, less to talk about. Whether your album is horrible or amazing, there can be just as much discourse on it regardless, but if it's mid, it will probably just be ignored

[@thehousecat93]

Yeah, there’s so much hate watching and so-bad-it’s-good sentiment and all that, a truly bad album (like, Angelic 2 The Core levels of bad) is going to be more well-liked than an average/mediocre album. To be truly, remarkably awful is to be interesting.

[@call_rickey]

it’s almost like that’s a common feature of language

[@evecates2232]

Nowadays it's better to be bad than mid. People can ignore mid.

[@mp2f4hs8th]

That's literally the way languages/slang evolve. People change the meanings of words all the time whether we like it or not, so we're going to have to accept it.

[@levyanton_]

People that say that Jack Antonoff’s productions are “safe and easy to chew on”, have y’all ever listened to music he produced not for Taylor Swift?

[@turp712]

Sling by Clairo her best album

[@p2p2p2p2p2p]

it's still mid

[@DoMorrMusic]

6:16 in LA

[@thehousecat93]

What’s your favorite out-there Antonoff production? I’ve listened to a lot of his work and am a genuine fan, but he’s not John Congleton.

[@Imalittlelobster]

Yeah his work outside of Taylor is more creative but his vocal mixing is always very fuzzy.. idk how to describe it but it's like he always takes the texture out of the voice..

[@professorskye]

Mid is what people say when they don’t have anything to say but want to seem informed

[@Kalitayy]

Oh shit it's Professor Skye

[@evecates2232]

Or maybe people say it because it's not good and it's not bad. It's just mediocre. That's why the word exists.

[@icecreamguru7584]

@@evecates2232 "this word is a word people say when they want to say that word and nothing else"

[@evecates2232]

@@icecreamguru7584 maybe that's because there's nothing to say and that's why it's mediocre in the first place.

[@icecreamguru7584]

@@evecates2232 no I agree with you. OC is being silly cause like, that’s how words work. you say them because that’s the meaning you want to convey

[@jenconvertibles]

you really trying to pretend you arent just the etymology nerd guy with different hair

[@Lacey-Of-The-Shoe]

Oh thanks for giving the definition, genuinely had no idea

[@blustre]

lookin out for ya 🙏

[@someoneelse8295]

As a die hard lana del rey fan, jack antonoff is by all definition mid. I know she likes what he does, but ever since NFR her music just doesnt hit the same (even tho i love almost all her albums after that). I swear this nigga is like salt and pepper, every song/food needs it and it tastes good, but you need some chilli and some garlic and some structure to the song because thats how you explore new flavours, and youre right- his production style is most certainly stale and safe. I really miss her rock vibes i think we will never get that again😢

[@theoriginalfreremarto9432]

I really hope Lasso is more interesting than her late works, I really love NFR and Ocean Boulevard is good but Antonoff's production is just so boring, it made some of her songs sounds like Taylor Swift. I miss the Ultraviolence and Born to die day, ofc she makes songs that she loves now but Rick Nowels was the best producer she ever had

[@someoneelse8295]

@theoriginalfreremarto9432 Yup everything i thought, i do think chemtrails and blue banisters were more interesting than nfr or ocean blvd

[@jupita551]

Real, finally someome says it!!!!

[@twilightdream]

@@someoneelse8295I enjoyed the latter two albums more than the first two personally

[@calvinstraveldreams]

Really this is a VERY common issue with adult contemporary, regardless of the era-because the music industry assumes that adults are easily offended AND don’t listen to a very wide variety of music, many artists assume that to get played on adult contemporary/adult alternative stations they have to play as safe as possible. The result is that many songs sound like clones of each other, have uninteresting vocal melodies and chord progressions (especially the FOUR CHORD SONG and all of its derivatives), and have all of pop music’s shallowness with less than half of its catchiness (a lot of adult contemporary (or at least bad adult contemporary) sounds like pop music reduced by about 20-30 BPM, with the synths replaced by processed versions of “real” instruments (or rather the FL Studio presets for orchestral strings and piano), and with a mix of standard love/heartbreak songs, non-explicit implied sex songs (which emphasize soft-focus sexuality in the Faith Hill/Adam Levine kind of way), and generic empowerment anthems that almost feel like they were written by AI (cough cough, Rachel Platten))

[@M0ONCommander]

don't do queen Rachel Slaytten like that. Also, counterpoint: the 90s. Mariah, Celine and Whitney were absolutely obliterating with their adult contemporary ballads. There was definitely a lot of slop, don't get me wrong. But having to live up to a high standard of vocal prowess definitely made it so otherwise indistinctive songs with bland or formulaic melodies could become elevated from vocals alone. Is Show Me Heaven by Tina Arena music to have on the background while driving? Yes. Is she giving it her all with those belted yells at the chorus that make you turn up the volume just a little? Also, yes.

[@calvinstraveldreams]

@@M0ONCommander While I disagree about Rachel Platten (though I DO get the appeal), there is still adult contemporary that I REALLY ENJOY. I will agree that the singing becomes really important as such in that particular subgenre of pop...this is actually why I REALLY like Christina Perri for the most part, as she is a VERY strong singer especially on her 2nd album Head or Heart...the fact that she DOESN'T just use the 4-chord song every time and even seems willing to use dissonant notes/chords, odd phrase lengths, and unconventional song structures is also really nice...

[@cowboyliketalya]

i’m a big swiftie and the disclaimer made me giggle

[@repugnantqueen3654]

As a non native english speaker I appreciate you speak properly lol Mid = mediocre = average That also happens in spanish with the term "mediocre" lol

[@NuMetalfan1996]

Any music that is safe and easy, is mid. So a lot of Indie/Jangle PoP bands fit in that safe and easy. Foo Fighters are the ultimate mid band, they’re basic, bland, safe, very tap water level music. Adele I would absolutely call mid. Imagine Dragons are another good example of mid. Just anything that’s basic and stays in a safe lane. Basically mid music is what most working class white people listen to. It’s the equivalent of white/vanilla/magnolia paint, tap water, etc etc.

[@symptomofsouls]

Adele is a wierd case because her music is mid but she genuinely is a talented singer, she wasted her talent

[@purple1441]

I would say Adele's latest album is mid, but her previous works are far better tbh.

[@drouzicz]

You cant call 21 by adele mid my man

[@twilightdream]

@@purple144130 was really good imo

[@mind-of-neo]

ah yes, "mid" the cannabis slang term which has been expanded to literally everything and which half the people who use it don't know what it means

[@온새밀]

Someone that used to do brillant things being out of touch is so sad and upsetting

[@DaviValera]

Taylor Swift is only mid when we are talking about her pop songs, because the folk ones... 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@SimpleFauna]

No, all of them suck. But I can’t be talking, I actively listen to They Might Be Giants albums and Joe Hawley Joe Hawley

[@daisydroid]

​@@SimpleFaunayou just discredited your own opinion lmfao. Pathetic

[@WalnutAnimations]

@@SimpleFaunabut they might be giants and Joe Hawley Joe Hawley are good

[@xx_harry23rd_xx]

Man I swear the word 'folk' in terms of music has lost all meaning. Like anyone with a guitar is now labeled 'folk'

[@drouzicz]

folklore, evermore and some of ttpd 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@abrahamloch8682]

Omg your outro, thanks for reminding me to listen to daft punk

[@gnarwhal7562]

The difference between mid and banger music is like watching Avatar vs watching the Truman Show. One is a movie that looks pretty but you can't even remember any of the character's names in, and the other is a film that will stick with you for life because of how profound the experience is. Not every album is going to be a Darkside of the Moon or a TPAB, but you should at least have SOMETHING interesting to discuss about it. If not, then you've succeeded as a businessman but have failed as an artist

[@daisydroid]

Tpab is incredibly overrated. Fight me

[@ytgshlung]

​@@daisydroid it's a waste of time to fight stupid people.

[@ss-nu3qf]

​@@daisydroid arguing with a Pulitzer award is crazy

[@daisydroid]

@@ss-nu3qf u just completely disrespected Kendrick so hard by being a idiot. Tpab didn't win a Pulitzer prize , DAMN did

[@Harperplays26]

Blustre: "my channel is family friendly" Blustre also: shows a guy with the middle finger

[@thesolomonproject]

One that also is getting lost to time because of streaming is the end of Bowie’s Diamond dogs which is meant to sound like the needle is skipping repeating the same half second over and over but if you didn’t understand record skips it just seems like a strange way to end the album

[@lennartgoebel]

I can still remember when you still had a reason to express why you didn't like something, now it gets the Mid stamp and you evade any responsibility for your opinion

[@SnappBacc]

Bro my music taste is incomprehensible for the average person, so I have to make a whole playlist with songs I find at least tolerable which many people actually love

[@bottle-cap]

I miss Daft Punk too, but yeah going out with RAM should be an example to all Artist on how to retire.

[@newsage89]

funny, I thought RAM was mid. Leaves turn inside you by Unwound is probably the best example of going out with a bang IMO

[@KuroHebi]

You take that back!

[@ellacatmusic]

I personally prefer the songs Aron Dessner produces with Taylor Swift (I find that they tend to be my favorites), that being said, there are a few Jack Antanoff songs that I really really like (for me it tends to be hit or miss with him)

[@toby_blyth]

Etymology nerd jumpscare

[@Remolizzo]

what’s worse than being notably bad is being flat out boring. that’s what makes something mid to me

[@lisandroxiii5031]

Yeah. I've always disliked that word cause I felt it meant worse than just mediocre. Same with 'overrated'. People were using it for no reason, like just because sth is popular it doesn't mean is bad; or if not they were completely dismissing an artist's whole era for it not being 'as good it was before'. However, as of late, I've started to get around it; especially as how certain people had been lowering their music quality, some that I used to at least respect in some level, like the ones mentioned here. And with the little pop renissance that we've been having, there are people to compare it to. It's not just a draught in music or sth going on with the industry, at least to me

[@jury7228]

I think you really can't say when music is mid. I mean Taylor Swift has got the BIGGEST fans but also the biggest haters. I'm a composer myself and i really love radiopop as long as the melodies are great.

[@Lroxed]

It’s crazy we need a warning for the swifties

[@jesuisunstroopwafel]

Middle-Of-The-Road is an actual radio format made up of songs, mostly ballads, that are commonly seen as "mid": not offensive to the ears, but not exciting either.

[@MichaelSheaAudio]

I think the idea that an artist should stop making art just because it doesn't live up to their previous work from the perspective of the listener is silly. Art is just a medium for creativity, it's not a competition. I'm the only person that matters when I'm making music. If other people like my music too, then that's great, but if I'm not having fun and I don't like it then it doesn't matter what other people think. Making music for the sole purpose of pleasing others is selling out, isn't it? There are artists that I'm not really into anymore, their music went in a direction that wasn't for me, but I'm not gonna wish they'd retire, like what the heck?? 😅

[@laiclaro8763]

The truth it you're right, but industry doesn't work this way. They don't give a fuck as long as it sells. Capitalism kills art

[@kallhastings9478]

Clarence Clarity jump scare 0:47

[@jackallan5198]

I think arctic monkeys are a good example of how to not get stale, they’re style changes with literally every album so they can’t get bland

[@aidanplante906]

Arctic Monks are goated

[@cinnamon_biscuit08]

Summer Chimps

[@umayrrahman9936]

Autumn gorillas

[@jwoodj8]

In Gotye’s case I think he has a pretty amazing discography including the other band he’s in. Like his debut album is truly one of my favorite albums but unfortunately his most objectively mid song blew up.

[@octopuspebble]

mid music is entirely one own opinion like a song I find mid someone else might die for

[@Phosfit]

For 3 years Pharrell Williams only had one single released as a solo artist. He certainly couldn’t be called a one hit wonder thanks to his production work as part of the Neptunes but to anyone who didn’t know the hits they were responsible for, they’d think Pharrell was a one hit wonder. They wouldn’t even be Frontin’ they just wouldn’t know.

[@atomictoaster8013]

jack antonoff’s production on the most recent the 1975 record is really good and quite creative, but even then it kinda pails in comparison to their last three records which were produced in-house by george daniel and the rest of the band

[@lizwicksonatastudios]

I’ll tell you what does : Letting them live here for free and not even charging them rent.

[@minedude33]

I think the entire Metalcore genre falls really well into the expectation category. I've heard countless stories and seen firsthand bands releasing top-notch albums that are universally loved within the -core community, only to release a relatively toned-down album right afterward and get called sellouts, mid, bad, etc etc. Take the prog-core band Architects for example, they were able to achieve this TWICE. They released *All Our Gods Have Abandoned Us* before their guitarist Tom Searle passed away from cancer and then afterward released *Holy Hell* which is mostly described as a step-down. They then released *For Those That Wish To Exist* to a positive reception, and then released *The Classic Symptoms of a Broken Spirit* just under a year later to a mostly negative reception and have since been trying to reclaim that positive reception. Another example is Parkway Drive, who were once top of the Metalcore food chain releasing banger album after banger album after banger album after mid-album after mid-album, and then 2022's mid-album *Darker Still.* It's insane to me because nobody hates Metalcore more than Metalcore fans, and maybe some Christian moms as well.

[@aeoligarlic4024]

Aside from Animals, Architect is sooo boooooring and repetitive. There's just no hook that keeps you coming back for more. I've been trying to like them for months but still no avail

[@minedude33]

@aeoligarlic4024 that's subjective, but I get where you're coming from

[@JFXRD]

9:33 this is just great honestly

[@dehacx]

Jack produced Melodrama, and then went on to try to produce Melodrama a hundred times over again. And it’s so funny because Lorde’s album is considered one of the best of all time, but seems like everything he did after that was just mimicking his work there, but lacking the artistic vision behind it.

[@SASTSimon]

funny coinsidense that you talked about roddy right and right after talked about jack antanoff since both of them were on the new kendrick album

[@sleepingkittystar]

Music is mid when I don't like it simple

[@Imindecisiveidk]

I’m going through a p h a s e currently and I accidentally fell totally in love with a fever you can’t sweat out and pretty. odd. Super disappointed when I found out that I didn’t vibe with anything after that. And Brendon Urie kinda sucks as a person.

[@thehousecat93]

Being a Panic! fan is hard. I’ve never fallen for MCR’s work like I fell for early Panic! but I’ll give Gerard Way et al a lot of credit for being more consistent and knowing when to step away when necessary.

[@TheCelticTiger32]

8:47 I did read somewhere constant touring was having an effect on one of the members ears, due to the loud sound systems they’d use. This and other things probably contributed to their retirement

[@gh0ulh0use]

also andre’s flute album was some of the best music i heard last year

[@trentperiod]

That very last part w Andre 3000…have been doing music seriously for the last 17 years, spent the last decade writing and writing. I’ve changed a lot, and I also haven’t written now in about 6 months…but I just really have nothing to say right now. Maybe it’s time to chase the new directions I’ve been pondering this whole time.

[@Wellyndebt]

i liked the vid when i saw the warning at the start😂

[@HamiltonTSwift]

I miss when people used to not talk about music they dont like

[@ss-nu3qf]

Are you living in another dimension or something?

[@gleamingtwinklingandsoinviting]

@@ss-nu3qf i think they meant not being so fkg noisy about music they dislike and simply just shutting up. Nowadays, people have become so aggressive and focused on tearing down each other's faves instead of ignoring each other and sticking to your own circle. Me personally, you wouldnt catch me commenting arigato grande hate unless someone triggers me to

[@ceilingfansclocksminecraft1226]

Jack Antonoff is also the guitarist for the indie pop band Fun in case you didn't know.

[@TAYMDEEN]

man, you're so good, remind me of some chill person I've talked to before but idk who.

[@YuTopian]

Tbh I was hoping for some music production advice when I clicked on this video, but the commentary was really entertaining so I stayed to the end anyway

[@blustre]

lmao i’m sorry but also thank you!

[@DSQueenie]

1:36 doesn’t “mid” come from the word “middling”?

[@ackyducc5040]

Taylor Swift has some good deep cuts, but most of the big popular songs are really mediocre or just annoying.

[@unstablewoomy7555]

I think it's the case with most pop artists like I'm not a big Billie Eillish fan but I've heard MANY better songs by her than bad guy

[@the_piano_nerd4960]

Preach. Homegirl doesn’t know how to pick her singles

[@sampletext001]

The fact that music is subjective does not mean that we should throw objectivity out the window

[@thebedroomshow9010]

props to andre3000, he wanted to put something out regardless of how he felt and he made it work

[@alexdoorn234]

A good production does help A LOT while I am not a fan of pop music or any mainstream music I do have an example ready which is Blind Guardian my favourite power metal band. They have been around for a while and while I do like the newer albums I do see what people mean with the production and then they got Joost van den Broek as a producer. The God Machine? Fucking incredible, Somewhere Far Beyond - revisited? Holy shit his vocals are so clear. Also Blind Guardian is really clever with what they write about, they've been around for fourty years with no sign of stopping and it is all because of their subject matter: Fantasy literature. As long as there are good books being written Blind Guardian has enough to write about or even write their own stories.

[@TheCelticTiger32]

Artists: I’d rather fail spectacularly than succeed only minimally Taylor: I’d rather succeed minimally and use marketing to over inflate this success to make it seem exceptional

[@lucasfogaca555]

bro im 2 seconds in and already liked the video just for that warning lol

[@urasaki7975]

Including Touch in the end as if we got over DP's retirement.

[@MusicalRadiation]

5:38 No shade on my boy Gotye. His album Making Mirrors is insanely good, and he was kinda famous from his earlier song Heart's A Mess. I will die on the hill that Gotye is way too good of an artist to be shoved together with the regular one hit wonder bands.

[@blustre]

no shade intended! definitely have a lot of great stuff, only included them there bc i know a lot of people consider them that

[@samblackett]

On the jack antanoff note, I wanna make it clear that Lana stands separate from those other artists, her music just feels different and usually way more personal. Also you look like if Riley from hivemind and quadeca had a kid

[@user-rv7ge1tc4l]

Jack Antonoff produced Melodrama and NFR so i cant be that mad at him

[@gh0ulh0use]

the neon trees slander hurt a lil bit ngl

[@nondescriptcat5620]

after GNX, Antonoff just might beat the mid allegations.

[@austinbutagain]

This video is not mid

[@ricksahuman]

This is becoming The Semantics Channel and i love it!

[@Bismark1815]

7:08 ah yes the anti-Butch Vig

[@itsjohnny2502]

bru i like taylor and the fact u had to include that warning in the beginning is so sad cuz of all the peepee riders hating on people who have js a slightly diff opinion. maybe thats why i stopped listening to her as much as i did before now i mostly listen to older rock and metal n other stuff

[@Dawn_AS]

Love the video!!! Thank u so muchhh

[@SillyRobot]

You sound just like oats Jenkins in the manner you speak, and your editing style, the graphics you use

[@thesecondtonysoprano]

Most classic 80s Thrash Metal bands wound up like this. The only exception I can think of at the top of my head would be Testament.

[@ET27]

Banger essay right here. Lotta W takes

[@oldensad5541]

Usually your personal taste. Not like "mid" doesn't exist, but most people have no idea how music work and produced and just go with the vibes. Obviously ego can't allow something to be good and bad FOR YOU, it should be OBJECTIVELY good or bad. It's like 90% of all music (and art I general) analysis.

[@stewpidlawyer]

none of my faves were called mid, day saved

[@OrdinaryBreeze]

i really enjoy youre videos, i think they would benefit from being longer!

[@TheLazyBeanss]

I'm not sure how you can call Taylor Swift "digestible" when The Tortured Poets Department has very deep writing and is not basic, SUBJECTIVELY

[@henri_.leal68]

I think what he meant is: the album is trying to be complex, its trying to be deep, yet its still easy to digest and to understand the intention. Therefore, failing in its purpose. What im about to say now is gonna venture into my opinion: “touch me while your bros play GTA” and “i wish we were in the 1800s but without all the racists” are so bad yet easy to see the intention, yet they fall off so hard its jarring.

[@TheLazyBeanss]

@@henri_.leal68 I agree that those lyrics are bad lol but I think the reason you think it's trying to be complex is because it's an album for the swifties. The amount of references in each song is crazy and only a Swiftie would understand. Maybe that's why it seems complex to you: because there are lots of things you don't understand about Taylor and her "lore"

[@toaduschums]

@@TheLazyBeanss If you need to be a big fan of an artist to like the music, it's probably not great

[@TheLazyBeanss]

@@toaduschums It's not that you need to be a fan to like it, it's that there are soo many references that the lyrics will seem confusing and weird to someone who isn't a fan.

[@daisydroid]

​@@henri_.leal68whenever someone uses those lyrics while ignoring every other brilliantly written ones I completely disregard their opinion

[@sickbroe3864]

CLARENCE CLARITY MENTIONED!!

[@rocknroll909]

No now is a masterpiece. Respect

[@-eliaplayz-5766]

I don't find anything wrong with "safe" production, its honestly smart if you want people to listen to it...

[@GregoryKn]

Mid is My Initial Diagnosis of most stuff.

[@GregoryKn]

This is a bar if you pay intention btw.

[@clafoutis2758]

One word - Travis