What's Hiding In Your Hair Products - Have We Found The Issue With Mielle ?

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Klassically Kept

Klassically Kept

Күн бұрын

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@ageofgrifter
@ageofgrifter 3 ай бұрын
No matter what you are talking about I am marveling at your skin, truly glorious.
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
Thank you and happy Sunday
@MarshaStJohn
@MarshaStJohn 3 ай бұрын
Yes. She has such beautiful, clear skin.
@cilixialatinantillaise8664
@cilixialatinantillaise8664 3 ай бұрын
Right?! 🥰
@freda4882
@freda4882 3 ай бұрын
Same!! First time on this channel and that is what drew me in 😊
@OGJaquarPrincess
@OGJaquarPrincess 3 ай бұрын
Ikr
@dimakatsomushwane4310
@dimakatsomushwane4310 3 ай бұрын
I have just decided to go back to the absolute basics. Shampoo, deep conditioner, leave in and grease. Let me tell you my hair and scalp have never looked better. All of the new trends have been a huge disappointment for me. I have bald spots and breakage that was never an issue with the OG products
@kit-kat9701
@kit-kat9701 3 ай бұрын
Being doing the same and my hair feels better. The problem with trends is they make you feel like you're missing on something, and when everybody has jumped on it, you feel pressured in some kind of way and end up disappointed
@stephaniejsmes8991
@stephaniejsmes8991 3 ай бұрын
THIS! I hear you about going back to the basics.
@dimakatsomushwane4310
@dimakatsomushwane4310 3 ай бұрын
@@kit-kat9701I totally hear you…they’ll have you feeling like you’re not doing enough. I think prioritizing health instead of length is what keeps you focused
@YummyCandiCollection
@YummyCandiCollection 3 ай бұрын
Exactly!! This year I went back to a quality shampoo, conditioner and Blue Magic. I don't use products that can be purchased a big box stores.
@roxannecowlesrosado3449
@roxannecowlesrosado3449 3 ай бұрын
@@dimakatsomushwane4310 I agree with you. When this line came out, many hair youtubers talked about how long it made their hair grow, and that was what caused everyone to run and purchase it.
@limelightactright
@limelightactright 3 ай бұрын
Your whole ensemble is so chic 😍. This is divine feminine energy
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
Thank you
@Chee235
@Chee235 3 ай бұрын
I think henna is the reason my hair is so long. There’s not protein in it but yes it does have protein properties. And you sure do need a moisturizing follow up. Anyway, gorgeous 💜💜
@Tangirlgoldenlove
@Tangirlgoldenlove 3 ай бұрын
I used the rosemary and mint deep conditioner, and my hair tangled up really badly at the end and my scalp has been itching bad every since I'm going back to my less expensive shampoo and conditioner I had way better results they tell you to stay away from sulfates but when I was using them my hair was bouncy and strong and growing. People use what makes your hair healthy and happy 😊. also, your head wrap looks so good you look like an African princess.
@makkedahwells93
@makkedahwells93 9 күн бұрын
I completely lost my hair using Rosemary Mint shampoo, conditioner and oil! I was so devastated!
@PsychicGoddessErika
@PsychicGoddessErika 3 ай бұрын
I use the Yuka app to scan all my hair care products before I buy them. It’s so helpful.
@classyfive1020
@classyfive1020 3 ай бұрын
I have never heard of this app. I will definitely check it out. Thanks
@PsychicGoddessErika
@PsychicGoddessErika 3 ай бұрын
@@classyfive1020 You’re welcome! It’s worth it.
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for this! I will definitely check it out.
@PsychicGoddessErika
@PsychicGoddessErika 3 ай бұрын
@@KlassicallyKept You’re welcome ☺️
@SolCareMimi
@SolCareMimi 2 ай бұрын
Literally!! I feel so lucky just last week I was at target looking to grab my daughter a replacement leave-in. I was taking my time browsing brands when a sista asked me for help finding a product to help her son’s curls. I shared my recommendation for curl definers. She pulled out the Yuka app and I GAGGED!!! I was familiar with Yuka bc of a creator on here that does a lot of grocery store food reviews but never downloaded the app. When I tell you I’ve been doing an overhaul on every soap, moisturizer, shampoo, conditioner, styler, toothpaste, hair product, food item and drink in my home! I really don’t play that and work hard to live a fairly clean life so its disappointing that in many cases these brands often quietly change ingredients. They start off clean and adjust without announcements. The replacement I was looking for was originally a completely clean brand 4-5 years ago. So grateful for that sista and God putting me there to “help” bc she helped me more ❤️
@cbchang6200
@cbchang6200 3 ай бұрын
I started reading labels 20 years ago when it comes to haircare products. I also read labels when it comes to food. However, I mainly eat organic whole foods. Cut out process foods. 👍🏽🤗
@tmt436
@tmt436 3 ай бұрын
This is like Deva Curl all over again. Everyone has a theory. Henna is not in the first 5 ingredients, so I hardly think that henna was the culprit to the hair loss. You were right in the observation that the women had unhealthy hair, so logically, they would turn to a line marketed to help their hair to regain its health. It is also correct to say that too much of a "good thing" can have terrible results. They obviously did not alternate the wash days with strengthening and moisturizing. Had they done that, it may not have been the case. We must not forget that mint can be very drying as well. I know that mint dries imy hair out, so I ensure I have something moisturizing to balance the impact. It all comes in knowing your hair and what works and what doesn't. it is obvious to me that the women did not know their hair and were just looking for a solution to their issues, and unfortunately, it ended badly for them. They are now revealing their experience. How does this make them villains? As a manufacturer, If u say these products can be used every day or together, then you have liability. I know some companies have instructed that this type of product be used every 3 to 4 weeks or 3 or 4 washdays to ensure they are not overused and cause damage to people's hair. Why was this not done on this line? When creating formulas, you must know their impact on the consumer's hair. You go through testing, etc, and this should drive your instructions, but it's not reflected on these products. Why is that? We then have to question if the manufacturer cares about your hair or their bottom line. We, as consumers, need to ask ourselves the hard questions in circumstances like these and not take sides. We have to ask the whys??? Think about things logically. In conclusion, I think consumers are too trusting and need to educate themselves to avoid being taken advantage of by any company, whether hair or otherwise.
@truthserum1271
@truthserum1271 3 ай бұрын
It’s not in the first 5 however Henna is very potent.
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
Good evening. I think you made some great points and asked some great questions. I never said Henna was the only culprit for the issues that Mielle is having, there are many contributing factors. This video was to highlight that we as consumers need to be more diligent when we are purchasing products, myself included. Back in 2020/21 when I tried the Rosemary line I can admit that I was not reading haircare labels. Had I known henna was in the collection I more than likely would have not purchased, I know how strong henna is. I am aware of the potency vs ingredients list, but I know people who cannot use henna simply because of how strong it can be. Thank you for watching
@mrod87
@mrod87 Күн бұрын
Agreed…anyone putting oil or grease on their hair multiple times a week is gonna have increased shedding, ur clogging the follicle with sebum and outside oil….the scalp in its most ideal state is CLEAN. If there’s a breakage issue and you jump in with oiling a lot…yea it’s gonna cause shedding that’s ur scalp telling u this new state is NOT ideal! If there’s solution to ur problem isn’t “extra oil on the scalp” it doesn’t make sense to randomly start doing it.
@kimwilliams388
@kimwilliams388 3 ай бұрын
Thank you, Mya, for sharing how to take care of longer thick 4c hair and styles to make life easier when doing our hair. The key thing I have learned is that it takes time to take care of this beautiful hair were blessed with. This hair protects our scalp from the sun. If you really think about it. For years, we were brainwashed to believe we have to have straight hair like white women. And we relaxed, straightened, and chemically rearranged our hair to be " socially accepted" by Americas white standards. Many black women with 4c hair and hairstyles could not get decent paying jobs because of our hair. I am so glad those days are over. We've come into our own now. Wear your twists and braids and cornrows with style young ladies. I still like Bonner Brothers products when I can find them, Royal Crown, Blue Magic, and Suave Products to shampoo and condition. Read the ingredients that agree with your hair type. The CAMILLE ROSE grease or butter with chebe works for me. I see less breakage when I use this product when combing brushing and styling my hair. Glad you shared how henna and protein works. I want the Mielle products line to succeed.
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
Good evening Kim. Thank you so much. You said it all lol. We need to embrace.
@truthserum1271
@truthserum1271 3 ай бұрын
Love the purple head wrap and the beautiful purple floral dress/blouse
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
thank you
@BionAvastar3000
@BionAvastar3000 3 ай бұрын
Even if you're not using it to dye your hair, once henna gets into your hair, it stays there forever and WILL NOT come out unless you cut your hair (the overuse would always explains the loosening of the curl pattern some people experienced). It feels deceptive to put henna in a product and not label it, since, unlike silicones etc. that can be washed off with Shampoo, Henna binds to your hair cuticle on a deep level. I don't want that in my hair.
@raquel6205
@raquel6205 3 ай бұрын
Henna extract is listed in the ingredients. Do you think the extract is enough to dye your hair ?
@cfoster6804
@cfoster6804 3 ай бұрын
​​@@raquel6205 No it's not and I doubt they put enough in the products to make a big difference. It's usually just a gimmick ingredient added in minute amount because they know it's trendy in the natural hair community.
@BionAvastar3000
@BionAvastar3000 3 ай бұрын
@@raquel6205 Why are you asking that?
@raquel6205
@raquel6205 3 ай бұрын
@@BionAvastar3000 Because the henna product in question is henna extract not henna powder, you commented, Even if you're not using it to dye your hair, once henna gets into your hair, it stays there forever and WILL NOT come out unless you cut your hair. I was thinking to myself there is no way that the extract can dye your hair. I’m asking because I don’t want my natural hair colour to change. But I think I misunderstood your comment and you simply meant that it (the henna extract) would bind to the cuticle forever and you didn’t want that.
@BionAvastar3000
@BionAvastar3000 3 ай бұрын
@@raquel6205 Yes, you've got it now. 👍
@cbchang6200
@cbchang6200 3 ай бұрын
It is your channel that turned me on to organic Ayurvedic haircare. I am 62, and now I dye my hair 3 times a year by combining a henna mixture with a indigo mixture. Must mix these separately. To help add moisture to the henna mixture I add aloe vera powder, fenugreek powder, Alma power, and Alma oil. I know that when I dye my hair it will be dry. I leave it in a bonnet for 3 days so to let the color set before I add moisturizer to it. I only color my hair to cover up the gray.
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
Good evening and thank you! I am so glad you are seeing the benefit of henna.
@cbchang6200
@cbchang6200 3 ай бұрын
@@KlassicallyKept You are 100% correct. Henna is good for strength and for coloring, but MUST moisturize after using henna.👍😊
@traceylennon1204
@traceylennon1204 2 ай бұрын
This sounds like what I tried to do. Maybe that leave it in for 3 days but I used henna and indigo(by Hennsooq)left it in for 4 hours and followed with a moisturizing deep conditioner!
@MsCaldwell
@MsCaldwell 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for your grace and class in approaching this hair issue with my L. I think that we should know that with Hannah you cannot mix it with other treatments or chemical dies/relaxers very well. My west African friends tell me that Hannah can dry your hair out when mixed with, some of the products that are being marketed now and 2024
@MsCaldwell
@MsCaldwell 3 ай бұрын
Oops, I should have waited. You mentioned that issue with Hannah. Lol keep it up girl and don’t let anybody bring you down!
@MsCaldwell
@MsCaldwell 3 ай бұрын
Oops, I should have waited. You mentioned that issue with Hannah. Lol keep it up girl and don’t let anybody bring you down. Btw…. The class action suit if there is one should have been about the tiny font they use for ingredients. I’m sure most women including me would not have bought the product especially the green bottle ones if we knew it contained Hannah.
@valenciaporter5583
@valenciaporter5583 3 ай бұрын
I was a bit shocked when I initially heard the news about the line. I not to long ago bought a ton of products from Mielle from the sale they had. I honestly have not seen any bad results from using the rosemary line. I have type 4 hair so I always use hydrating products. I have been using chebe grease to twist my hair long with hair milk/lotion after using the rosemary line products. My hair is plenty moisturized so I have had no problems. Thank you for sharing this because I was afraid of using the products after seeing the news but now I am confident that I am ok using the line with my current routine. 🙂
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
Good morning. That is wonderful, I am glad you have not had any issues. The video was not meant to frighten, just to inform !
@SaharaKnows
@SaharaKnows 3 ай бұрын
People don’t understand hair science and so we fall for gimmicks. People also don’t use products as instructed or understand what their specific hair needs and then want to get mad when they don’t get the results they want.
@ImDirtyDani
@ImDirtyDani 3 ай бұрын
Preach
@PrayerinJesusnameWarriorinJesu
@PrayerinJesusnameWarriorinJesu 3 ай бұрын
PLEASE IT'S YOUR SCIENCE THAT'S PUSHING THESE PRODUCTS, PEOPLE BETTER KNOW JESUS, WHO GIVES HAIR.
@PrayerinJesusnameWarriorinJesu
@PrayerinJesusnameWarriorinJesu 3 ай бұрын
I'VE NEVER KNOWN HAIR PRODUCTS TO MATT NEGRO HAIR WHEN I WAS YOUNGER. ANYTIME MONEY INVOLVED, HERE COME GREEDY DEVILS. SO I SEEK GOD THROUGH CHRIST JESUS IN WHAT TO GET FOR MY HAIR AND BODY..AND PRAYING OVER IT IN JESUS NAME.
@90ejb
@90ejb 3 ай бұрын
💯
@choconethotcoco4717
@choconethotcoco4717 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for this very informative video. I really learned a lot about Henna! I had to stop using the Shea Moisture Bond Repair Shampoo and Conditioner due to my own lack of knowledge. Those products should not be used but maybe once a month otherwise it will make your hair feel hard. I was using it at least twice a month and my hair did start feeling very hard and crispy. People like you are a God send because you help us to understand our hair and the products we need to use.
@Roses-Peonies
@Roses-Peonies 3 ай бұрын
I use henna gloss every week and do a full henna treatment every month. I have studied ayurvedic haircare and herbs for years . I agree, you must obtain and maintain a moisture protein balance. However, I am allergic to castor oil so, I never used the Mielle products. My hair is 3b 3c waist length. ❤from California
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
It is definitely a baling act. When I started using henna, there was a learning curve !
@aprilswill9204
@aprilswill9204 2 ай бұрын
Speaking of clear, your skin is gorgeous!!!!
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 2 ай бұрын
Thank you
@mjgarner123
@mjgarner123 3 ай бұрын
Hi Mya! Good video with extremely valid points. Definitely important to look at ingredients in your hair care products. I was also stunned by the reaction of Tamara. It reminds me of Curly Hair Crisis and when her hair reacted from Protein overload. Very similar to Tamara's experience with the matting and inability to detangle without losing a lot of hair. Horrifying and sad how different women have been affected. Thank you for sharing your insight and I hope Mielle, P& G and Monique can regroup and come up with a suitable resolution.
@Leah_Tewari
@Leah_Tewari 3 ай бұрын
I forgot about Curly Hair Crisis and the protein overload that she experienced!
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
Hey MJ! I hope they can regroup as well.
@Kozette007
@Kozette007 3 ай бұрын
I make my own rosemary water, conditioner, twisting cream hair is flourishing and I have hypothyroidism.
@roxannecowlesrosado3449
@roxannecowlesrosado3449 3 ай бұрын
This was an amazing video, and it definitely shed light on this issue. I was using three products of this line-the shampoo, the masque, and the oil (I have the edge control but never used it). I didn't experience the issues some of the women have stated because when I used the conditioning masque, I would mix in a small amount of a moisturizing conditioner and some oils, and I follow up with a moisturizing leave-in and old school Blue Magic. I also think it is important to assess your hair and make adjustments to your hair regimen accordingly, and not use the same products for months on end, especially if you are no longer getting the results that you once did, or the health of your hair seems to be failing. The Rosemary and Mint line seemed to have worked for a while, but I have since switched to a different shampoo and masque that I believe will address the current needs of my hair. That being said, I have no qualms about using this line again in the future.
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
Good evening, and thank you. I am glad you have learned how to listen to your hair. I think it is very important that we learn our hair and pivot when necessary.
@bimbolecter9764
@bimbolecter9764 3 ай бұрын
As someone who likes to DIY my own stuff and use organic ingredients, i agree with the first comment about ingredients. I looked at Mielle's Rosemary line and a lot of ingredients do promote growth but these ingredients (mostly the essential oils) are very well known irritants. Just because something is organic doesn't necessarily mean that it's good in the long run. Essential oils need to be used sparingly or be diluted, however they are on top of the list in the rosemary mint line. I use the shampoo in that collection once a month and decided to hold off on the oil because that type of product cannot be used daily. I just apply my sulfur 8 and moisturize as usual after I use the shampoo. I can't imagine the amount of damage using the whole line for each wash day, while using the oil daily must do to the skin and hair.
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
Good morning! Thank you for sharing. And this is why I wanted to do the video. I am getting better with reading my labels for my Haircare. I can admit back in 2020- 21 when I tried the line I did not read the directions. Had I read the directions I would have followed up the daily styling cream with some type of moisturizing product.
@koastalpeach4535
@koastalpeach4535 3 ай бұрын
@@KlassicallyKeptI just went back to what has always worked for years. Sulfur 8 shampoo, a deep conditioner, then some good ol grease of some kind Bergamot. Hair looks and feel great.
@patriciajenkins9458
@patriciajenkins9458 3 ай бұрын
Hello Mya thanks for this information. I only used the oil one time and my scalp itched so I didn't use it again. I always read the directions . I will make sure to research the ingredients more.💜🥀
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
Good morning Patricia ! I need to do better as well, ever since my sweet almond oil debacle I’ve been reading all labels for my hair care.
@401k99
@401k99 2 ай бұрын
Finally an objective video about Mielle products Thank you!
@gladyswj9968
@gladyswj9968 6 күн бұрын
Well done. I am commenting as I sit with my intensive Henna mask which I also add Aloe Vera powder to and no lemon juice. It is very important to know one's hair porosity and to actually understand your specific hair needs. Too often and too many misbelieve their natural curls and coils to be damaged and in need of a host of strengthening products. Especially with my low porosity, fine strands less protein and protein mimicking products is more than sufficient. I also find it helpful to maintain a log as to when I apply Henna and actual protein or elasticity treatments. And as shared in this video, straight moisture products need to follow. Mielle Mongongo Protein-free Hydrating Conditioner is a staple. Reading and understanding ingredients is essential. If the Rosemary line did not include a good level of strengthening ingredients, then people could push back on the product claim. The Rosemary Mint Oil needs to be treated as an essential oil which I find works well when you add just a few drops to a carrier oil that agrees with your scalp and hair. Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays/Flourishing Scalps, Curls & Coiils to all. Be well.
@kimban5434
@kimban5434 3 ай бұрын
I absolutely love the Rosemary mint line! Never used the oil or scalp sugar, but my 4c high porosity hair loves it! It actually made my hair healthier! But I do exactly what you said, follow up with moisture and I ph balance with a vinegar rinse. It’s very important to use hair products properly. But so sorry a lot of women are losing their beautiful crowns of hair, hope they’ll be able to recover!💜
@conniesingleton4738
@conniesingleton4738 2 ай бұрын
You have offered the best explanation by far. Thank you so much. ❤
@janeenharrison1953
@janeenharrison1953 3 ай бұрын
Looking Gorgeous as always! Thank you for this. We are sheep looking for a shepard and it's comforting someone cares about our concerns. So true, Know thyself comes with know thy hair!
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
thank you
@prettynpetty8342
@prettynpetty8342 2 ай бұрын
Your face card never declines! The hairwrap and the pearl earrings...stunning.
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 2 ай бұрын
thank you
@cfoster6804
@cfoster6804 3 ай бұрын
Your wrap color is so cute!
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
thank you
@donnahenson8397
@donnahenson8397 3 ай бұрын
I want to thank you for providing the educational support about product ingredients.
@legaleagle8425
@legaleagle8425 2 ай бұрын
I appreciate the video. I used the oil shampoo 😂deep conditioner. I’m going back to the basics as well. I saw Naptural95 use henna for coloring her hair but I wasn’t paying that much attention. If it’s not broke don’t fix it. I’m going back to what works. I threw away or gave away all her stuff.
@kimroller3609
@kimroller3609 3 ай бұрын
This is a great informative video. I use henna for strength and color, and most people don’t realize that it’s nature’s protein treatment. Use henna with caution. I would think that the creators of Mizelle would have put this information out a while ago. Keep up the great work on your channel.
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
Thank you
@Brooklynbaddie83
@Brooklynbaddie83 2 ай бұрын
Yasssss! This is something that I never knew about and I thank you for all this important information. And I absolutely love your head wrap and dress! ❤
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 2 ай бұрын
thank you
@sheh.9163
@sheh.9163 2 ай бұрын
I use both the strengthening hair growth oil and hair masque. But I haven’t experienced any hair loss (knock on wood) I also always follow up with a separate heavy moisturizing conditioner from another brand when I apply the strengthening mask. Honestly I do that whenever I apply any “strengthening” product to my hair, I wasn’t even aware that it contains henna. But my hair really loves henna, so now I realize why my hair responded so well to the masque.
@riaman3
@riaman3 3 ай бұрын
Ive been loving these mielle videos!
@iammissalicia2098
@iammissalicia2098 3 ай бұрын
Me too!!
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for supporting. The research has been interesting.
@stephaniepink9060
@stephaniepink9060 3 ай бұрын
Hi, I find that many women with Coily and curly hair need to find out their hair’s porosity. My hair porosity is high and I use products that works for high porosity hair. The rosemary mint works for my hair, but I follow instructions exactly to the T and then I make sure I moisturize moisturize and add the oil at the end of my hair treatment or wash day. High Porosity hair requires moisture and sealing the strands. Moisturizers, butters, hair pomades and oils are Our Dear Friends for High Porosity!! Or your hair will break off!!! So for all High Porosity Hair, remember to Moisturize and Seal in the Moisture as often as possible and as needed until your next wash day! If wearing braids and twist, same thing to follow for High Porosity Hair! Also, for all hair types, oil on the scalp cause the scalp to react! If oiling the scalp, make sure you are going to wash it out within an hour or two or if leaving oil on scalp overnight, wash it out the next day! I put oil on my scalp only near my wash day or same day of wash!! MIELLE Products are Organic and will work when you know your hair’s porosity and follow the instructions to the T! What I stated above should work for High Porosity and their hair will love it!!❤❤Peace!!!🙌🙏
@andycole2311
@andycole2311 3 ай бұрын
Hi, just watched your video. Great. However, Rosemary is a strengthening herb anyway. I don’t use henna, but I use rosemary so this collection has 2 strengthening ingredients. I have used the other Miele products and love it. Thanks for educating us. Love your videos. Thanks.
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
Of course! Yes I know rosemary is strengthening as well!
@patriciapanther
@patriciapanther 3 ай бұрын
Rosemary is also a very strong astringent too. It can leave the hair so dry.
@jimcindykimk3802
@jimcindykimk3802 13 күн бұрын
I really like mielle shampoo in my hair but since I now know how strong it can be, I would like a recommendation on hydrating product to follow it up.😢
@carmelacristoforo262
@carmelacristoforo262 3 ай бұрын
This is why I always check ingredients in new and old products I've used before. Hair companies will sometimes switch up their ingredients without letting consumers know. Also know what these ingredients do in your hair Thank you for making this video about such an important topic. Also love your skin!
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
thank you
@cynthiascott8639
@cynthiascott8639 14 күн бұрын
You explained it well, thank you very much.
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 14 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@dominique2o06
@dominique2o06 3 ай бұрын
As always you kept it classy and to the point. Thanks to the lady who left that comment. So none of us want to blame anyone going through this and we need to really pay attention to our hair me included. Currently like I said before I have a sensitive scalp and I'm trying to find the best grey coverage that doesn't bother my scalp. I might need to stick to rinses as it doesn't bother my scalp as much. I'm saying all this to say learn your own hair and scalp. Like I stated before this is why to me you saved your hair YOU KNOW IT. I have this thing where I don't like coconut in my hair I could be wrong and it was another ingredient but I just had a bad experience with it more than once so I just decided there are other things I can use so why use it. Let's keep learning our hair ladies and no it isn't always easy or simple to do so 🤎
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
Good morning and thank you! Exactly, I didnt want to place blame, just wanted to inform. I hope for the ladies experiencing problems they are able to get back on track but also realize they need to be a little more diligent about their hair care. I can admit back in 2020-21 when I tried the Rosemary Mint Collection I was not reading my hair care labels but once I tried it I knew immediately it was a no. Learning our hair is so important. I also hopped on the coconut oil wagon, we were not friends lol.
@ChristsChemist
@ChristsChemist 3 ай бұрын
It should also be noted that coconut oil is in many of the product ingredient lists you showed.
@MiwaTamu
@MiwaTamu 2 ай бұрын
I have been using Henna for over 15 years without any problem (I do agree that you need good hydration after use) A few months ago I bought the Mielle Rosemary and Mint Oil within a few days my scalp was very itchy and irritated. I immediately stopped using it, washed my hair and the itching stopped. For certainty I waited a couple of weeks and tried it again once and the next day I had itching and irritation, which confirmed to me that there was something wrong with this product, so I stopped. I think there is something more that is wrong with it other than the henna
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 2 ай бұрын
Good morning, you are correct Henna may not be and is not the only culprit. The inspiration for the video came from the comment about henna being in the products. I have never heard of companies actually putting henna in haircare products ( I also have not tried and used all of the hair care products in the market). I focused on henna because as you know it can be very strong. People have also spoken about the amount of essential oils in Mielle products. To your point and experience, I tried the Rosemary oil as well ( original and light ) and I too had a terrible reaction.
@kwest1401
@kwest1401 2 ай бұрын
It wasn't until you mentioned Mielle making your scalp unhappy that it finally clicked that my scalp always felt dry, tight, and itchy after I applied it to my scalp (usually about twice to three times per week). My hair is in overall good condition no tight styling or pulling since I get headaches easily), but my hair towards the crown area was a little thin. Over the last 2 years it's grown significantly and there's no hiding it really. Now that I got microlocs about a year ago, I can't really use grease on my scalp, but I'm about to go back to plain 'ole jojoba oil instead to see if anything changes because I'm extremely self conscious about my scalp now.
@mattieslaughter5382
@mattieslaughter5382 3 ай бұрын
Hi Maya, thank you for this information. I had purchased this collection for my Mother but will be changing products.
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
Hey Mattie! I know for me, it was very drying. I can admit back in 2020-21 when I tried it I was not reading directions lol or ingredients for my hair care.
@Eveningbreeze721
@Eveningbreeze721 3 ай бұрын
I use straight up henna in my hair followed by Indigo every 5 weeks for coloring gray. My hair loves it. It is not hard core strength for me. I still need protein a few times a year. It does loosen my hair curl for only for a couple of weeks.
@MH-hw4uh
@MH-hw4uh 3 ай бұрын
I bought their Sea Moss, for strengthening my strand and it surely lives up to its name. I went ahead and bought the sea moss and prepare it from scratch and realized it definitely strengthens the hair.but using a small amount is paramount. It’s best to combine with another product, like oil or hair grease is best as it’s extremely concentrated and will leave hair very stiff if you apply too much and can eventually brake the hair strand as it does gets stiff if used heavily.
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
I am so glad you were able to pick up on that ! I hope your hair is thriving !
@Brooklynbaddie83
@Brooklynbaddie83 2 ай бұрын
I will be reading the labels on hair care products and appliances from now on and really getting more information about my hair, what it needs and general education about hair and how it reacts to different products and ingredients that are included in the product.
@alexuz93
@alexuz93 3 ай бұрын
So I’m someone who did not know what henna did on the hair at all. However, whenever I see the word “strengthening” on anything hair product I know that I will need to follow up with someone moisturizing. That is probably why I had no issues when I used the rosemary and mint hair masque. Idk if that has henna in it or not, but strengthening usually always means some kind of protein. Protein isn’t moisture. When all of this was coming out about Mielle, I was not immediately convinced that it was Mielle’s fault. Not saying it was the users fault either. I think this could be a learning lesson in both parties. It is crazy that they have a daily styler with henna in it though because brands say you should use other products in the collection together but I would never do that with collection! I didn’t even buy the whole rosemary and mint line. I bought two pieces because no one needs that much strengthening products on a day to day basis. I really think we need to be doing more research before buying stuff too. We can’t just see our favorite KZbinr use something and then we go blindly buy and use it.
@KuddleBugg-k7v
@KuddleBugg-k7v 2 ай бұрын
Yes I agree
@L0ve365Beauty
@L0ve365Beauty 3 ай бұрын
The videos I’ve seen on some of the formulations puzzle me. I’m curious as to why these products were formulated the way they were. I’ve never used many of these brands because I make my own and have since 2008.
@FTYC2022
@FTYC2022 2 ай бұрын
I can tell you before even watching the video that it was the essential oils used in her serum and other products. The rosemary oil was not diluted enough. I tried it and immediately rinsed it out. I could tell it was too strong. The shampoo was as well and it was also very drying. I steep my own fresh rosemary for my scalp, but thought I would try something new. Never again.
@stardustanimated
@stardustanimated 2 ай бұрын
Nothing's hiding in my hair care products... because I make my own and know exactly what's in them, lol! Locs are all the way down to my mid thighs now, so I must be doing something right.
@camhunts
@camhunts 3 ай бұрын
I don't believe the issue is henna. I only used the mielle rosemary oil and still experienced issues. I think the culprit are the oils in the ingredients. Some essential oils contain irritants that can, over time, cause irritation on the scalp that may lead to hair loss (eg. camphor, carnosol, cineole in rosemary). Oils feed the fungal bacteria that cause dandruff (Malassezia yeast) which can also increase scalp irritation.
@ChristsChemist
@ChristsChemist 3 ай бұрын
Does your hair like coconut oil? It was listed in 5 of the products.
@Leah_Tewari
@Leah_Tewari 3 ай бұрын
I agree. It’s not the henna.
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
Hello! You are correct, I never said it was henna explicitly. This video was to shine light on the fact that henna/henna extract is in the product and that we need to beware of what we are buying and using. I am aware the lower an ingredient is on the the list the less potent it is, however; henna is very potent and affects people differently.
@camhunts
@camhunts 3 ай бұрын
​@@ChristsChemistMy hair is pretty neutral to coconut oil, however my scalp becomes very irritated from coconut oil
@camhunts
@camhunts 3 ай бұрын
​@@KlassicallyKeptI completely agree with you. We need to be aware of the products we are buying and using, and education on ingredients and what works for each person is so important because things will work differently for each person.
@sandrajennings5453
@sandrajennings5453 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for this Video now I have a better understanding of this product. I love this line and my hair lover it too. I do find that the oil makes my scalp sensitive I think its a little to strong.
@KuddleBugg-k7v
@KuddleBugg-k7v 2 ай бұрын
Thank you because I was saying that. That line is for strength. You need to follow up with moisture.
@jdbrown1964
@jdbrown1964 2 ай бұрын
While i agree with being more aware of what we consume, however; as nurse, i CANNOT expect my patient to have the same level of knowledge and understanding of drugs or medications or function of the body as me. It is my job as a nurse to make sure that im aware of possible harm or that i educate my patient about how to take medications, if not i failed my job. If you cant formulate or your not adequately knowlegeable as a chemist, then you shouldnt be working in careers that can effect the public. That is the responsiblity you take on when you take a title such as nurse, doctor, chemist, manufacturer. That being said, since we know that many manufacturers are very careless or possibly even attempting to harm black consumers by altering ingredients, we must be extra vigilant.
@Ann-ub4mf
@Ann-ub4mf 3 ай бұрын
Excellent video! Thank you. 😊 What do you use on your skin? It's beautiful!😍
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
Thank you. I keep my skin care very simple. face wash - Cerave tonet - Thayers cream - Nivea
@RadiantRuby
@RadiantRuby 3 ай бұрын
I know we’re discussing hair products but I love your dresses!! Is there a company you frequently shop?
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
thank you! I buy from: J Crew, Banana Republic,Aje,Acler,Shop Bop
@roudiamondgh92
@roudiamondgh92 2 ай бұрын
In my experience this product line is very potent. It’s not for protein sensitive hair or hair that has been neglected. If your hair is dry don’t use it! It will not provide enough moisture to help. I use the deep conditioner consistently because my hair is fine and breaks easily but I do not use any of the other products because that would be overkill. Also, naturals have a bad habit of leaving rinse out products in for too long. Stop leaving deep treatments in over night. Rinse it out when the instructions says to.
@denyshadials5702
@denyshadials5702 3 ай бұрын
This mauve! 😍🥰
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
love it !
@sharonking2124
@sharonking2124 8 күн бұрын
You have GORGEOUS skin!
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 8 күн бұрын
thank you
@sharonking2124
@sharonking2124 7 күн бұрын
@ Youvare very welcome! 🙏🏽
@sharonking2124
@sharonking2124 7 күн бұрын
@ You are very welcome! 🙏🏽
@janetmurrell1254
@janetmurrell1254 3 ай бұрын
Hello, I’m a newbie to your channel and enjoying your content! Listening to the fact that Henna is included in some of Mielle’s ingredients, it should have come with a disclaimer or educational preface. Most consumers who use Mielle are trusting that whatever strengthening ingredients are in there products are going to do more good than harm. How many products out there that say they contain a particular helpful ingredient, but it’s not that much of that ingredient included to do harm or good. It may be a teensy amount. But, due to the potency of Henna, a company can’t just arbitrarily throw that in there as an ingredient and assume that the consumer knows how to use it properly! I personally have never used Henna and learning more about aryuveda through KZbin channels such as Curly Proverbz and now your channel. But, had I not watched those channels and just bought Mielle thinking that whatever is in here is going to grow and strengthen my hair, I would be in trouble too! Just sharing some points from someone who doesn’t watch KZbin a lot and now researching different ways to grow my hair, hence aryuveda. Sorry for the misspell.😊
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 2 ай бұрын
Thank you and welcome to the community !
@Livesparrow24
@Livesparrow24 2 ай бұрын
Forgive me, I know you are talking about hair, but your skin is glowing ✨️ 😍 forget about hair care, let's talk skincare😅 ✨️ 💖
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 2 ай бұрын
thank you lol. skincare - kzbin.infoyB9kUA9BXJA
@Livesparrow24
@Livesparrow24 2 ай бұрын
@KlassicallyKept wow, you don't use foundation, well you don't need it. Do you even have pores? 🙂
@NikkiLynn3
@NikkiLynn3 3 ай бұрын
The product is propylene glycol, there's a cosmetic grade and a commercial grade, this one is used in antifreeze
@louellarobertson8074
@louellarobertson8074 2 ай бұрын
I'm watching the video as you speak. I went to get my Mielle products...Rosemary Mint and Strengthening Shampoo and Rosemary Mint Blend Strengthening Conditioner and I read the Ingredients and Henna is not listed on either one...I can barely read the Ingredients on the jar of Mielle Mango & Tulsi Nourishing Whippig Creme because the label is orange, the writing is small and it all seems to come together...I don't see Henna located in the Ingredients in the Rice Water Collection...Moving on I discontinued the Mielle Deep Conditioner, definitely wasn't a fan of it...The Mielle Pomegranate & Honey Super Hold Gel is a Crime😢... Well there you have it. The collection was purchased for me as a Birthday Gift...The verdict is still out...Thank you for the share...Peace and Blessings to everyone...
@RomeCertifiedT.V
@RomeCertifiedT.V Ай бұрын
YOUR BLACK & YOUR BEAUTIFUL!!!
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept Ай бұрын
thank you
@RomeCertifiedT.V
@RomeCertifiedT.V 13 күн бұрын
@@KlassicallyKept YOUR VERY WELCOME
@bluemickey23
@bluemickey23 Ай бұрын
I use that collection and I’m thinking about throwing it away. I don’t have fallout and my kids don’t either. If Henna stays in your hair what are you supposed to do? I use Camille rose moisture milk and shea moisture product and Jamaican black castor oil gel after shampoo and conditioner. I will use my OG staples.
@sabrinae.6361
@sabrinae.6361 2 ай бұрын
I use this shampoo and conditioner but it’s because I have relaxed hair and it works really well for me. I use it only once a week and follow up with a deep conditioner, with no problems. But it’s up to everyone to find what works for them.
@Marie-c1e
@Marie-c1e 3 ай бұрын
My video was very unbiased and I appreciate that I think the slander Miele is getting is a little uncalled for I have a healthy simple routine where I use the product then slap some peppermint oil on my hair and I’ve noticed my hair has never been more healthier I just think it’s how you use the product these women make sure to say it was oil and NOTHING else
@XcellsiorConsulting1913
@XcellsiorConsulting1913 Ай бұрын
I make my own hair line. way back when with the female relatives. If it is not homemade I will not use it.
@callmechichi1711
@callmechichi1711 3 ай бұрын
Very informative video 👌🏾. Tfs.
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
of course
@陆言懿
@陆言懿 3 ай бұрын
I have not used mielle but starting this year i used a rosemary conditioner from another hair. After using i would notice sever itching and after a while my hair started loosing its health. It would break and feel like elastic when i merely racked my finger through it was so bad i did a big chop unexpectedly. In my conclusion i just think rosemary products may be not fit for black hair or atleast mine.
@陆言懿
@陆言懿 3 ай бұрын
The one I use didn't contain henna and I used it atleast two months in between protective styles. When I saw the controversy started I started seeing why my hair got so bad. I was even having bald spots which was never my problem. I think the itchy scalp was my sign that something was wrong.
@cynthiachurch8731
@cynthiachurch8731 3 ай бұрын
I agree..Never used rosemary on my hair until mielle .It started thinning,had to cut
@caroline9565
@caroline9565 2 ай бұрын
I read labels and when I see numerous ingredients named I pass on those products. Unless numerous oils are part of the ingredients and that’s a plus for me
@Reggie4real
@Reggie4real 2 ай бұрын
I tried this product once. Got the shampoo, leave in conditioner, mousse etc. After one use few hours later my scalp was itching so much and it felt irritated. Spent so much money. Threw all of it away. Went back to shea moisture.
@misslouk
@misslouk 3 ай бұрын
I only use the shampoo. I didn't notice that henna with in the ingredient. My hair loves henna so i guess that is why I didn't have any problem with the product.
@elegantempress1395
@elegantempress1395 3 ай бұрын
Same, the only products I’ve ever used from that line is the shampoo (which my hair loves) and also the edge control. I’ve never had any problems.
@misslouk
@misslouk 3 ай бұрын
@@elegantempress1395 yeah it depends on your hair. It's not necessarily the product.
@missk5994
@missk5994 3 ай бұрын
Excellent Video & Information Thank you🙏
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
thank you
@ocky88
@ocky88 12 күн бұрын
1. Your skin looks great 2. Mielle should have done a better job making it clear that the Rosemary and Mint line was a PROTEIN and strengthening line. Many years ago, I got the shampoo, deep conditioner and the oil from the line and the first wash day that I used it, I noticed my hair was dry. I used them together one more time and it was even worse. That is when I stopped using the shampoo altogether (there is no need for protein in a shampoo) and only used the deep conditioner like once a month. Very sparingly. I still have some left. There is no reason for all of those products to be together as one line. Period.
@OGJaquarPrincess
@OGJaquarPrincess 3 ай бұрын
You’re beautiful!!! You see your glow from the sky.
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
thank you
@landracriswell437
@landracriswell437 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the information 😊
@art-byfayleif3938
@art-byfayleif3938 2 ай бұрын
My hair is sensitive to protein if I put too much it hates it. My hair likes a bit of it and lots of moisture so having four products with drying henna in type 4 hair that requires soooo much moisture is detrimental seriously.
@2_blAck
@2_blAck 3 ай бұрын
You make a product the actual works, and could change the game for damaged hair. But nobody does the correct research is actually crazy work🥴 Wow!!!🤦🏽‍♀️😂😂 We found the remedy but messed it up🙂‍↔️
@YummyCandiCollection
@YummyCandiCollection 3 ай бұрын
Tamara's hair was already healthy so she definitely didn't need a strengthening treatment. I use henna herb mixed with aloe vera and fenugreek then follow up with a moisturizing conditioner for 30 mins. I only do this every 3 months.
@galiathii6965
@galiathii6965 3 ай бұрын
this is crazy but i started using the mielle mint oil. i put some on my scalp and i had a fan blowing on my head and i could feel my head throbbing and tingling. when i got home i think my hair grew within hours cause my hair was thicker and longer than usual. theres no way this worked. has anyone tried this yet? if not let me know if this actually works for you
@Leah_Tewari
@Leah_Tewari 3 ай бұрын
The henna in these products is so diluted that there is little chance or evidence that it will have that much of an impact and that severely.
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
I am sure it is. This is just something to think about. In the video I did state that this is not the end all be all.
@2_blAck
@2_blAck 3 ай бұрын
True, but if you’re sensitive or allergic to something. Just a little bit could change your life, for the worse. I’m allergic to penicillin, my doctor gave me a Amoxicillin substitute, claiming it doesn’t have enough penicillin in it. I almost died, how I saved my own life is stupid funny🤦🏽‍♀️😭
@lifewithmodesty7395
@lifewithmodesty7395 3 ай бұрын
Polyquaternium 7 and 10 are part of the culprit in the shampoo. These ingredients are know to start making the hair dry over time, it not immediately
@jbw9113
@jbw9113 3 ай бұрын
I’m going back to diy and products that worked for me. Mielle was the first natural hair product I tried off of trend and now that I’m seeing other women talk about hair and scalp issues from Mielle that I’ve been having only since using these products, I’m going to let Mielle be. Natural hair products are too expensive to be causing scalp and hair health issues.
@RonkeMusic
@RonkeMusic 3 ай бұрын
You’re stunning! 😍
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
thank you
@MiracleGodwin-cq8xg
@MiracleGodwin-cq8xg 3 ай бұрын
I start fellow ur basic way for hair care and my hair is growing fast and also pray for my hair
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
thank you! I am glad my tips are helping
@Ferrist1
@Ferrist1 3 ай бұрын
I notice phrasing like "educate ourselves," being used a lot in regards to this Mielle fiasco. I've been a natural for over 20 years. Since I was 15. I'm old enough to remember OG naturals and how they inspired better healthful treatment of ourselves and to be aware of what we're putting on and in our bodies. In other words we be reading. Idk who these people think they're talking to? Naturals had to do our own research, establish our own science. Now major corporations are gaslighting us as if we don't do this. Listen. I used 1 product from Mielle, and that was the rosemary oil. I used it 1x a week, diluted it in water before applying. I read every bit of the bottle, front to back. The center of my scalp and some of my edges were burned OUT. It hurt. I'm still recovering. I'm very literate. I follow instructions. This is not a consumer issue.
@NewJohariClassic
@NewJohariClassic 3 ай бұрын
Right the OG naturals were heavily DIY or seeking out products from the health food store. I hope your scalp recovers soon!
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
Hello! Great points. I think some companies are unfortunately playing on peoples' ignorance when it comes to hair care. If I am having issues with my hair and I am not sure what is going on or how to remedy the situation, and then I see a new collection come out marketing a solution for damaged hair; if the person is desperate enough they will more than likely buy the new collection. It's kind of like when you go to the doctor and they give a diagnosis or prescribe medicine the average person is going to believe them or adhere to their guidelines, because they are the "professional."
@Ferrist1
@Ferrist1 3 ай бұрын
​@@KlassicallyKept That could be true. In my experience I applied on virgin hair, with a healthy scalp. I'd purchased the oil before the acquisition with zero problems. Shortly after P&G acquired Mielle was when I saw issues. I'm not prudish about large corporations, or name brands so I'm not feeding into conspiracy theories or the idea of sabatoge. Shoot I use to relax so I'm not hung up about chemicals in products, as long as I'm informed. I'm not high strung about hair. So when I say P&G probably used spoiled or comprised ingredients I'm saying it as objectively as possible.
@truthserum1271
@truthserum1271 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video. This line did not work for me. It made my hair hard as a rock 🪨 like straw. I will say I like the pomegranate leave in
@NikkiLynn3
@NikkiLynn3 3 ай бұрын
If you listen to curly chemistry video in the last two weeks she talks about this and she mentions a particular ingredient that's in the I believe the scalp oil I'm not sure of the rosemary mint line, but I believe it was just a scalp oil and there's a particular ingredient in there that comes in two grades cosmetic and a commercial grade in the commercial grade is used in antifreeze 🤷🏽‍♀️ so my guess and this is not what she said, but I'm saying there's a possibility that there was a mixup with that particular ingredient and the commercial grade was used instead of the cosmetic grade. It has the same exact name. And ever since the creator of Mielle sold her company that will also mean a new manufacturing and production department meaning a whole different set of people making the products.... somebody dropped the ball and didn't know what they was doing and purchase the wrong ingredient grade because I don't know if people was having issues with this product three years ago used it, I never really use the product. I tried it maybe about four times and it took my hair out. My daughter used to use it pretty regular and her hair came out to less than an inch small in the back the whole back part of her head since she stopped using it and I'll begin to make my own her hair is flourishing. IJS
@frankvelez4997
@frankvelez4997 2 ай бұрын
Hi I'm Loretta De Los Rios using Frank's account with his permission . I agree with uou Henna is not for everyone! The CEO is going to get sued and rightfully so. Unless she has been already? I just saw a video of her saying she has been their every step of the way with the ingredients. I'm sure she has but she lacked your concept . I wonder if she got any advise.🙏
@thetayoung3066
@thetayoung3066 2 ай бұрын
I don’t think adding Henna on the front would have helped. I didn’t know this info about Henna as I thought it was simply a hair dye. I think it would help if the companies did a tutorial of their products and explain what the purpose of each is and how to use it correctly.
@Bibirallie
@Bibirallie 3 ай бұрын
Next we need a skincare routine.
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
kzbin.infoyB9kUA9BXJA
@mojisolaog
@mojisolaog 3 ай бұрын
This is impressive ❤
@pamelascottAZrealtor
@pamelascottAZrealtor 2 ай бұрын
No more products for me! Only essential oils and water since I've loc'd!
@LadyKLoves1222
@LadyKLoves1222 3 ай бұрын
Moral of the story…Education is key!just keep it simple…have discernment…once a black owned business sales to big corp…we gotta move on.
@quencyoliver-russell4422
@quencyoliver-russell4422 3 ай бұрын
What do you use on your hair to get it so long and healthy?
@KlassicallyKept
@KlassicallyKept 3 ай бұрын
I keep my hair care simple. I am currently using the Shea Moisture Amla Bond Repair line for wash day. I am using chebe for length retention and thick hair.
@lcollins1984
@lcollins1984 2 ай бұрын
Make sure the conditioner is protein free.
@i_challenge
@i_challenge 2 ай бұрын
Every time I use Miele my scalp itches so they have been a no for a long time for me
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