When Rationality Becomes Horrific

[@ShieldWife]

I think that Alex O’Connor did a good job being polite and even tempered - which basically allowed WLC to show how horrifying and contradictory his world view is.

[@scottcates]

Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.

[@alb1reo]

​@@scottcates"let him cook"

[@ShieldWife]

In fact, WLC refutes his own talking point of universal objective morality that everybody knows. People hate the idea of rape, genocide, that kind of stuff and so want to say that those things are objectively wrong, but Craig isn’t saying those things are objectively wrong. He is merely saying that obeying God is objectively right and not obeying him is objectively wrong.

[@scottcates]

@@ShieldWife Conveniently, his moral authority is amoral.

[@Jeff-cn9up]

If your ideology is schizophrenic and self serving, as Craig's is, then the "morality" it teaches is worse than none at all.

[@NDHFilms]

“If the Lord is your shepherd, then he’s only your friend until you get to the killing floor.” - Phil Mason

[@utubepunk]

Reminds me of Hitchens quote about sheep as well.

[@wilberwhateley7569]

Yeah - sheep are bred to slaughter.

[@CteCrassus]

@@utubepunk "Sheep are not bred just because the shepherd likes them, though some perhaps like them a bit too much" - Christopher Hitchens (paraphrased)

[@utubepunk]

@@CteCrassus That's one of them. There's another I was thinking of.

[@meh2510]

Well, there is also shearing the flock, which teli-evangelicals do all too well.

[@KayleePrince-we5pb]

Clay Jones: *"killing" fictional animated characters in a video game is evil* Also Clay Jones: *Now let me tell you why its perfectly moral to kill actual people* 🤦‍♀🤦‍♀🤦‍♀🤦‍♀

[@westleybenson1188]

Yeah, it's pretty mind boggling.

[@bettertobethoughtafool]

@@westleybenson1188 *I can excuse [X], but I draw the line at [Y]* meme

[@DraconisWyrm]

​@@bettertobethoughtafoolyou can excuse [X]??

[@GrundyMcCall-1701D]

​@@DraconisWyrmonly if mx+b =/= y

[@Sauvenil]

@@GrundyMcCall-1701D broken line.

[@LGpi314]

The Bible says, "no one knows the mind of God", but that doesn't stop theists from telling you all about Gods wishes, traits, goals & what he wants you to do with your life.

[@RuSosan]

The Bible saying _"No one knows the mind of God"_ doesn't stop _the bible_ from telling you all about God's wishes, traits, goals and what he wants you to do with your life, lol. 😏

[@IOverlord]

​@@RuSosanHilarious that theists claim the Bible tell those things 😊

[@RuSosan]

@@IOverlord It's hilarious how their own hole-y book contains everything needed to reasonably disregard their "holy" book. Too bad understanding that requires just a _hint_ of critical thinking. 😆

[@LGpi314]

@JDO145 "God’s while God’s essence is incomprehensible, His energies are not." How od you know it? Can you demonstrate it? How do you know the sex of this god? Why is it he and not she?

[@RuSosan]

@JDO145 Drivel. Either make an actual argument and *prove it* or don't bother.

[@puckerings]

If you choose to worship a monster, you will be forced to justify monstrosities.

[@atrapanasatromhtos9426]

Killing children is bad except when they say the words skibidi toilet and ohio

[@CookiesRiot]

It would just be nice if they'd own up to the fact that they worship the concept of a malevolent dictator instead of calling it literally love incarnate.

[@jktech2117]

hey dont say that, dont offend the sweet monsters by comparing this crap to them >:{

[@incomingincoming1133]

The whole concept of 'worship' is foul. It is suspending yourself to submit to an unquestionable master. I would expect that requirement from a brutal dictator or conqueror alien. In any case, any god/s that demand worship don't deserve it.

[@littleredpony6868]

I recently told a Christian that if they believe in a good god they should look elsewhere since it’s not the god the Bible describes

[@runevi]

That "the children are living a perfect life in heaven" line gave me a flashback to when ISIS or the Taliban said the same thing after blowing up a school bus.

[@wilberwhateley7569]

It’s basically the same thinking - “life on this earth is insignificant compared to the life after, therefore terrible shit that happens in this life is justified if it leads to a better hereafter!”

[@jojidubi4]

This is made worse when he says that they could be corrupted just by living amongst the icky yucky Canaanites. They are good people and deserve heaven because they died as kids, but that might change because they grow up specifically in this setting when they would be good people based on different upbringing. What the hell?

[@justice8718]

@@jojidubi4 We have records of the canaanites. They were that bad.

[@frikabg]

@@wilberwhateley7569 if that is the case why not off yourself and move on to the real plain of existence instead of wasting your time on the tutorial level? These 'ideas' that these 'people' have don't even pass the basic sniff test.

[@Agryphos]

​@justice8718 Israelites were Canaanites

[@coventryboy68]

Voltaire once said, “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.”

[@altosack]

I’m willing to wager he said it more than once. (Sorry for the unfalsifiable claim; it’s actually rather rare in my lexicon, and you’re free to dismiss it without evidence and with prejudice!)

[@oleghrozman4172]

Voltaire was a hypocrite.

[@brandwijkgg]

​@@oleghrozman4172 All People are hypocrites in one way or another doesn't mean they can be right about things.

[@Nerobyrne]

@@oleghrozman4172 maybe, but that doesn't make him wrong. Occam also actively decided that his "razor" analogy didn't apply to yahweh, because, you know, reasons.

[@gustavedelior3683]

​@@altosackhe did, you often have to repeat yourself in the company of idiots.

[@miruue0ype0deir]

Unlike Redeemed Zoomer, Darkmatter doesn't need to use the gigachad template, he already is.

[@johnrockyryan]

😂 fucking excellently said bro is an absolute beast

[@ChristineVress]

To a religious person: *Harmless things become bad if god says he doesn't like it and what's worse is that harmful things become moral and even good if god tells you to do it*

[@SydneyBell-eh6je]

Yes, Clay Jones demonstrated that view perfectly - to him homosexuality which is harmless is bad....and genocide which involves inflicting one of the worse types of harm imaginable is good

[@SeekingTruth2023]

Exactly. And this is even written in the bible. How ironic.... Is 5,20 "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

[@CelestialVenerableValinor]

Yep, perfectly said, absolutely true

[@Nymaz]

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." - Steven Weinberg

[@CteCrassus]

It's even worse than that: "This positively heinous thing is indeed heinous *unless* I can convince myself that my God approves of me doing it; Then the heinous thing would be *not* to do it".

[@bobaveccheveux6031]

How you are able to listen to William Lane Craig for so long without losing your sanity is beyond me.

[@utubepunk]

Exactly. I'm so sick of his sing songy cadence & performative manner of speaking. He's channeling Bill Shatner.

[@scottcates]

I feel the same about Jordan Peterson.

[@utubepunk]

@@scottcates 100%

[@LisaAnn777]

I watched his video for about 10 minutes and it made me certifiably insane, now I have to start therapy tomorrow morning 😔

[@utubepunk]

@@LisaAnn777 Dogspeed.

[@Altorin]

"It's not genocide" *Goes on to describe genoside

[@BlizzardofOze]

And that's how you get millions of people to look at an ongoing genocide and say "That's not genocide."

[@vids595]

@@BlizzardofOze Do you have an example?

[@sabin97]

@@vids595 whytes(because it's whytes) say that about what the juice are doing in palestine. they say "oh, it's not a jenna side". yes. some words are intentionally misspelled because google gets triggered. also look at what was said recently at the un security council when iran retaliated against the juice for their terrorist attack against the iranian embassy.

[@sabin97]

@@vids595 yes. whytes always deny that's what the juice have been doing in palestine for over 75 years. even recently in the un security council they denied iran has the right ot defend itself when they retaliated against the yew terrarist attack against the iranian embassy. it's disgusting how strong racism all over the world became since 2017. after the rise of a certain orange clown. yes. some words are intentionally misspelled as to not trigger google.

[@sabin97]

@@vids595 yes. whytes always deny that's what the juice have been doing in palestine for over 75 years.

[@Dragumix]

When I was a conservative Christian (I am now an agnostic atheist) I also internally justified this genocide in Canaan with the argument "It was God's will. And God is good." It's frightening what Christianity did with me and what also some other religions can do with people in general.

[@VenusFeuerFalle]

But it is a delightment to see that these people can change.

[@TrueBlueAmerican96]

It's a good thing the "victors" wrote all the books about how terrible the Canaanites were...

[@NothingXemnas]

In some way, I am glad for not being raised religiously. My family is half-Buddhist, but even they don't consistently go to any shrine or temple. In turn, I was raised a so-called "spiritual non-religious" agnostic, because though I believe in a lot of Buddhist teachings, I truly enjoy and respect good teachings in other religions, even visiting a Christian Orthodox church a few times. Baseline is, see beyond the indoctrination. Explore the world, talk to people, learn new things, touch grass; that is a better way to know what "good, harmless, selfless" means, and helps a person see why certain teachings are so common in so many religions and stick to those if needed. Atheist? Don't mind the teachings, focus on the reasoning for their existence. Spiritual? Don't take them for granted. Simple as that.

[@ziggystardust1973]

Alex basically gave Craig every opportunity to walk back his insane take. And he just doubled down instead

[@JasonHenderson]

Craig cannot do this. He has books written on the topic and has appeared numerous times on the record making these same statements.

[@Nathouuuutheone]

The bit where Craig rejects the need to discuss epistemology says a lot. Groomers sometimes love to keep things hypothetical. It helps generally good people abstract away their own empathy and inhibitions and eventually discard them when called to commit terrorist acts.

[@frankxu4795]

I think Alex did an excellent job by letting Craig express himself exactly like that. Craig is doing a disservice to the faith better than any questions coming from Alex.

[@KeriRautenkranz]

Thank you and Alex as well for exposing these murderous, fraudulent conmen. I would lack Alex's diplomacy as well.

[@harveywabbit9541]

The biblical Canaanites are five constellations representing winter. They are killed with each passover from winter to spring. You will find this famous five in Revelation 9.5. The leader, Scorpio, is still alive as a constellation of stars. To obtain the correct number of Canaanites that are slain, you would have to count the stars in Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, and Pisces.

[@AlexRodriguez-pu8qo]

@@harveywabbit9541 tf u talking about schizo

[@TrueBlueAmerican96]

​@@harveywabbit9541Did you know the Israelites are Canaanites?

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@TrueBlueAmerican96 Israelites, of the Bible, are fictional. Canaan, of the Bible, is the fourth son o f Ham aka constellation Scorpio and may be used to reference the southern constellations.

[@tofu_golem]

William Lane Craig: Atheism is false because it leads to moral relativism in which things are good or bad not based on what is done, but on who does it or who commands it. Also William Lane Craig: Genocide and baby-murdering is good when God does it, but bad if you do the same thing, because Divine Command Theory.

[@Decadent_Descent]

That's not even mentioning how absurd it is to call atheism false, as atheism is only the lack of belief in deities and has nothing to do with moral relativism.

[@99temporal]

@@Decadent_Descent well, calling atheism "lack of belief in deities" is kinda disingenuous... usually, when someone calls themself atheist(me included), they are not talking about a lack of belief in deities, but the positive belief that said deities don''t exist. Yes, not all atheists are like this, but the vast majority are.

[@aurorapaisley7453]

I love that it's called a theory

[@Decadent_Descent]

@@99temporal I wholeheartedly disagree. Most atheists, myself included, identify as Agnostic-Atheists. The very fact that we're agnostic means that we don't claim for the existence of deities to be knowable, so it's non-sequitur to conclude that the average atheist, which is almost certainly agnostic, is making a positive claim that deities don't exist.

[@99temporal]

@@Decadent_Descent this is a false dichotomy. You can have a positive belief that god or gods don't exist AND not be 100% sure that this is correct. The less you believe that god(s) don't exist, the more into only agnostic you are For example, if you ask "do aliens exist?" Someone could answer "I don't know, and unless we find evidence and/or an specimen we can't know", but at the same you could follow that with a "what do YOU think?"and they could answer "I think they don't exist" This IS still a positive belief, even if they are agnostic about the certainty of it(or even the possibility of knowing the existence) And most atheists, when asked the "what do YOU think" question, will answer with "I believe that it doesn't exist"(which IS a positive belief), while a minority will answer "maybe it could exist, but I don't think we should live our lives as if it did". And if their only answer is "I don't know", they aren't an atheist, they are just agnostic

[@midnightstorm6576]

"What does god need with an isrealite army?" That is my new favorite Darkmatter quote. Totally legit, and has a fundamental ring to it that makes me want to put it on a coffee cup. Hey, Darkmatter, put this on coffee cups with a floating Jeffry looking disappointed. That would be epic.

[@mathiasbartl903]

It's from Star Trek V

[@Jcs57]

Why does an omnipotent deity need a boat builder

[@stephentitus7137]

@@Jcs57why does an omnipotent god needed to take rest on the seventh day?

[@Tat011]

This guy pretends to be an intellectual but his philosophy is quite literally "things are good when dad says so and they're wrong when dad says so, no further thinking required" This is quite literally his position, unfortunately there's no exageration.

[@lyokianhitchhiker]

I’ve always said the religious idea of morality is a "reward/punishment" system, but in a more adulthood-friendly package

[@justice8718]

Yes. Because his ways are higher than our ways. And he always reminds me of Heavenly rewards to keep focusing on the narrow road.

[@blackosprey2219]

He's exactly the same ilk as the worst communist fanatics. He's utterly convinced that there's a Paradise that justifies anything and everything.

[@ThisguySL]

I don't think he's not intellectual, but he does admittedly, and unfortunately, have a smooth and clever way of pretending stupid is not stupid without people noticing or caring. His reputation isn't what it is for no reason and should not be taken lightly.

[@learningisfun2108]

Right? And yet there is no actual proof of this “dad” or that he communicates with anyone if he/she did exist. Immature thinking.

[@Pinworm]

You're very popular and there are many comments so this may understandably get lost but I absolutely love your content and delivery. Thank you for doing what you do. This video is one of my many favorites.

[@GuitarDog_atx]

17:45 They have "Idolatry, Homosexuality" in the same list as "child sacrifice" Tells me all I need to know about a xtian's definition of morality.

[@Theleaver5088]

Yet they have the audacity to say we have our morals thx to Christianity 😂

[@mrmaat]

To many Christians, all sin is equal. This manifests as forgiveness for the most heinous of crimes and constant shame for natural urges. This is why we see pedophilic priests and predatory presidents “rehabilitated” and “forgiven” but the hoi polloi are constantly harangued about lust and laziness. The flattening of the moral landscape is just another tool to empower the abuser.

[@LegoDork]

This is all Abrahamic religions.Probably, plenty more.

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

@@Theleaver5088 right? We have our morality because of our natural inclination to altruism and compassion as it is how we dominate the world and you know the prevalence of more liberal philosophy on people in the time where Christianity hold on the world is the weskest

[@meh2510]

Didn't god demand Abraham to commit child sacrifice? Doesn't matter that he changed his mind when old Ab let blind obedience lead him, it was still morally wrong to give the order. Not that sparing one child's life made a difference to the countless lives of children lost in the great flood, burning of Sodom/Gomorrah, Egypt's tenth plague targeting the firstborn, and of course the slaughter of the Caanites.

[@hiss9989]

I think the notion that any person, let alone a child, is somehow destined to be vile, is just incredibly messed up.

[@harveywabbit9541]

There are no humans in the bible. Canaan, the fourth son of Ham, is the constellation Scorpio. The four sons, of Ham, in birth order, are Cush, Leo, the noble/royal lion. Mizraim/Virgo/palm frond. Phut/Libra/the reed, and Canaan/Scorpio/the liar. This is also the first four labors of Hercules. Canaan aka Scorpio gets additional duty as Lud, a son of Shem (winter). The remaining four "sons" are Elam/Sagittarius, Asshur/Capricorn, Arphaxad/Aquarius, and Elam/Pisces. See Rev. 9.5, where the writer spills the beans and reveals that Shem (Hades/Pluto) is the five months of winter. The leader of this motley crew, the scorpion, is the constellation Scorpio. The scorpion is followed by Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, and Pisces. Aries then becomes the first month of spring. Take a look at Scorpio, in the old farmers almanac, and you will find that he is the genitals of Jupiter.

[@EzeBall1710]

Not really??

[@ometta7]

That's because you genuinely believe in humans as free agents, not as toys for some omnipotent halfwit to play with that might have manufacturing flaws for him to choke on.

[@heyyodude8637]

@@EzeBall1710Yes really?

[@TheTrueRandomGamer]

I'm not kidding when I say this is one of the best videos you or anyone else has ever done on this topic. More please.

[@Toofunktoodrunktion]

Those who can be convinced to believe absurdities can be convinced to commit atrocities

[@Texan_christian1132]

No. God is the greatest and shall be worshipped.

[@jettchou962]

Thats a very scary thought

[@DraconisWyrm]

​@@Texan_christian1132who the fnck is that

[@mosj9876]

​@@Texan_christian1132God is great... until he comes for you. Its amazing people will praise god for their kids and wife dying in a car wreck and then logically explain to themselves "God wanted them more".

[@Texan_christian1132]

@@mosj9876 dam some people are real stupid. “People like you”

[@realdjungleskog]

WLC, everybody. One of Christianity's most respected and beloved thinkers. "Killing children is fine if God tells you to do it."

[@harveywabbit9541]

The Canaanites are the five winter signs found in Revelation 9.5. The "slaying" of the Canaanites (winter of five signs) is simply the end of winter and transition to the blessed season of warmth and a full belly. This is also the killing of "Jesus" as part of the passover from Egypt (winter) to the Promised Land (summer of seven signs/month). Remember where the christian savior (that big ball of fire in the sky), is crucified in Egypt (sun's apparent fall below the autumn equinox) and again at the spring equinox (Calvary) where the winter sun "dies" and is born again as the Christ (anointed summer sun).

[@drillyourarguments]

Do you actually believe humans are the controllers of morals, and not God?

[@drillyourarguments]

@@harveywabbit9541 False beliefs + new ideas + incoherent + illogical

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@drillyourarguments The Kingdom of God is within you.

[@GDino34]

​@@drillyourargumentsWe exist but your God , at best is anecdotal .

[@ProphetofZod]

Unless you solve the epistemological question, the meta ethical question is a meaningless hypothetical that can never inform anybody’s behavior. Also, I love how they ended up at the same conclusion as my old “Why All Christians Should Have Abortions” video.

[@PatrickWDunne]

oh my imaginary god, Prophet of Zod is here too!

[@katyungodly]

Zod!

[@mkd4life40]

Your video makes sense, and people like WLC and Turek seem to make a case for abortion and infanticide since they are assured heaven while most people above the age of accountability end up in hell. This may actually help some women struggling with guilt and remorse who've had an abortion or somehow caused a child's death due to negligence.

[@phillipmitchell2254]

If Alex had gone harder on Craig, Craig would've left and Alex would've never gotten another apologist on his show.

[@james-russellgause4735]

That's what I was thinking. These people are operating from a sunken cost mentality and cannot withstand incisive, direct, or scathing criticism.

[@ghytd766]

It's TRUE. People need to think about that. Good job Alex.

[@phillipmitchell2254]

@@james-russellgause4735 Apologists are all basically antisocial narcissists and thus can never be assumed to be debating in good faith, and can always be assumed to be ultra fragile.

[@xpflowexclusive4313]

"Craig would've left and another apologist wouldn't come on"... LoL you gotta be kidding... Your brains can't possibly think that's true ??? Wow

[@chewyjello1]

Probably. But I still just don't like to see these kinds of views being treated as respectable and normal. I kept thinking maybe the point is to give Craig a platform to sink his own ship in front of an audience by voicing these absurd and vile ideas...because I would like to believe that no one could possibly be falling for anything this guy says. But sadly, I know that's not true.

[@OuterRimPride]

Finally you realize you’re the Chad meme

[@eramo607productions6]

Hah! Ye.

[@Andrewdroid101]

He's the Kratos Chad

[@trippydippiehippie3958]

He's fucking bald. A baller. A bald-baller at the ballet with a beret.

[@mekannatarry1929]

Exactly what I was about to say lol

[@MaxHarden]

Can practically smell his athletes foot medicine from here.

[@Froggsroxx]

I cannot express how grateful I am for your continued stance on progressivism. Thank you.

[@markmuller7962]

Progressivism is lagging behind tho with that attitude on Islam being a race and every criticism to it being Islamophobic... Also many other woke stuff are so low culture and old fashioned, I'm progressive myself but I would refrain from associating Atheism with Progressivism because it's not... There's a ton of spiritualism and conspiracy theory in the left that's completely incompatible with rationalism and the scientific method

[@bradthompson5383]

Progressivism is stupid.

[@gobblox38]

I'm listening to these videos as I'm doing desk work. These are great for keeping a part of my brain occupied while I'm doing rather boring and tedious work. Please keep doing these.

[@vamps1385]

when i was 2 years old , i learned that 'why 'never ends.

[@lumpilumpinski9951]

Why?

[@bluecoin3771]

Why indeed.

[@_FJB_]

I supposed your parents did aswell lol.

[@bettertobethoughtafool]

Why?

[@aralornwolf3140]

Did you teach your parents that lesson?

[@puckerings]

You're absolutely right about Alex begging the question. I think it's partly due to being deep into philosophy, where the idea that in order to answer "the most important questions" you need philosophy. Philosophy as a practice assumes that these "why are we here?" sort of questions are not only valid questions, but the most important questions possible. It's received wisdom among philosophers. But they've never demonstrated that the questions even make sense.

[@puckerings]

And ironically, this demonstrates that at least at this time, you are still better at what you do than Alex is at what he does. Until he can move past these assumptions, he's going to be stuck in a loop of "yeah, but WHY?"

[@AlexanderShamov]

So, um... philosophers don't reflect on the meaning of the questions they ask? Why do you call them philosophers, again?

[@donnievance1942]

Your idea that such "why" assumptions are "received wisdom" among philosophers indicates only your lack of information about the field of philosophy. There is no "received wisdom" in philosophy. This is what philosophy is all about-- continuous analytic criticism of everything. The majority of philosophers are atheists, by the way. I have no clue where you even got the idea that philosophers assume intelligent agency behind reality. You cannot possibly have any real engagement with philosophy or philosophers.

[@PeteOtton]

@leob3447 That's why I prefer the 'materialistic' view of the universe. The energy was just right at the right time to give way to chemistry and then biology.

[@donnievance1942]

@leob3447 Then you obviously have never read a word of David Bohm, who was both a theoretical physicist and a philosopher. Bohm argued that reality fundamentally can never have an "explanation," much less an explanation in terms of intelligent agency. I'm a philosopher, and that is my view as well. Try reading the opening verses of the Tao Te Ching sometime. It is a great and ancient atheist tradition. Here is my rendering: The way that can be walked Is not the way. The name that can be named Is not the true name. The nameless is the root of heaven and earth. The named is the mother of the myriad creatures. ............................. These two are the same, But diverge in name as they issue forth. Being the same, They are called mysteries. Mystery upon mystery-- Behind every gate lies silence. You should also check out the work of Bertrand Russell, who held that the fundamental character of reality has to be accepted as a "brute fact" that cannot have a root explanation. A contemporary philosopher on YT, Emerson Green, is an advocate of Russellian monism. There is a shit-ton of ignorant blathering about philosophy in this thread-- obviously almost entirely from people who have no clue about the world of philosophy. The school of thought that holds that reality cannot have a fundamental explanation, in terms of agency or otherwise, is called mysterianism. I'm a mysterian, a Russellian monist, a philosophical Taoist, and an atheist. By the way, the term "heaven" in the verses above simply means "the cosmos." It has no reference to religious ideas of an afterlife. Do not confuse philosophical Taoism with popular religious Taoism. They are not the same animal at all.

[@2l84me8]

Imagine needing a cosmic dictator watching you 24/7, and both bribing you with heaven and threatening you with hell just to have basic human decency?

[@SoMuchFacepalm]

Even a utilitarian can do better than that. Most 'basic human decency' isn't just good in the abstract, it's demonstrably beneficial to the lives of those who engage in it.

[@ushere5791]

except that skydaddy does NOT want basic human decency!! he's as horrible as wlc himself is for justifying him.

[@tehspamgozehere]

And then going on to accuse others of not having morals and being subhuman. If these people need to believe in order to not behave like monsters, then by all means continue believing. But stop corrupting others with this insanity. If their god was as great as they claim it is, it wouldn't need anyone to tell anyone anything about it, let alone professional apologists like this scumbag.

[@justice8718]

Jesus Christ is the arch human. He is the standard for basic human decency and look, you lack it.

[@frikabg]

and they all still somehow manage to fail 999,999 out of 1,000,000 times!

[@DeathByToothpaste]

48:00 This is literally apologia for almost every genocide in modern history. "We didn't want to kill them all, we just wanted them to leave. No one had to die if they had just left when we told them to." This is how it works. First you say you just want them to leave and open up the camps to facilitate that. Then, when that (inevitably) doesn't work, you change them from holding/labor camps to the other kind.

[@Petrichor987]

Reading this right now, what with everything going on in the usa, is absolutely horrifying.

[@thejoker7902]

Craig is the embodiment of DOUBLETHINK from 1984. Killing children is bad, except if Big Brother commands you to do it.

[@pitchlumin]

God does not ask man to kill man. Cite Genesis where God did not even originally make death for man. Abraham is an example that if you hear a voice claiming to be God and saying to kill, it is not God, because God does not ask to kill. The only ones killed in OT by Israel were nephilim people. Evil continually. You are making a straw man of the Bible with this comment, as it shows you do not take the Bible for what it says, and what context implies.

[@AssassinoJake]

God, the biggest of big brothers.

[@pitchlumin]

@@AssassinoJake are you on hallucinogens? You are certainly not referencing the God of the Bible like that. Plus you appeal to controlling being bad, when in Naturalism, there is no good or bad, and those who control just tell you to do what they want because they have the chemicals in their mind telling them to do so and they must because chemical determinism.

[@drillyourarguments]

@@pitchlumin Psalm 14:1 and Romans 1:20-24 . Athiesps verify these Scriptures so often and yet they assert theres "no evidence" for God.

[@sketchiefello9002]

@@drillyourarguments "my book is butthurt about atheists therefore atheists are wrong" cool logic bro

[@Aquamayne100]

Even if Alex surpasses you in numbers, you're the OG when it comes to your unique art in the form of philosophy, comedy, animation. Thank you!

[@Johnmhatheist]

I agree.

[@DubiLLAuntAndre]

👏👏👏 Amen to THAT!

[@theunlearnedastronomer3205]

Great job taking them to task. Religious folks often assume moral superiority when in fact their morals and beliefs are quite reprehensible.

[@harveywabbit9541]

The Canaanites are the five constellations of Scorpio thru Pisces. They are already in the Heavens. Twinkle, Twinkle, little star.

[@novisstulus4631]

Its their private morals not the ones preached, although the guys raises a good point surrounding the historical accuracies of the history of the Abrahamic faith.

[@jankriz9199]

Man I love your old content, deeply so. But the long commentary replies/takes you spiced your channel with are just SO good.

[@pheresy1367]

What a horrific world apologists try to create.

[@BalaenicepsRex3]

The world *is* pretty gnarly, you don't hear them deny that. No, they try to pretend its horrible misery IS good and we deserve it.

[@justice8718]

@@BalaenicepsRex3 If it makes someone repent and go to Heaven, the it works. Duh. Even Cain changed for the better because of suffering. The King of Babylon was driven to insanity so the LORD can store him to Heaven.

[@sabin97]

@@justice8718 are you trolling or serious?

[@MilitantAntiAtheism]

@@sabin97 *Mar Mari Emmanuel:* Was attacked by a muslim for saying that Jesus is god and muhammad was a false prophet *Atheists here:* Will never ever put their life at risk for anything, but will throw a tantrum when someone refuses to use their prefered pronoun because compelled speech is unconstitutional slavery Is there anything more disgusting than pdf file atheists?

[@ANpreventschildabuse]

@@BalaenicepsRex3 I agree. And even these atheists here uphold this cruel world too. So a diety is evil, yet blind physics which makes p3d0phila still gets a free pass from these atheists. Because the universe doesn't intend on anything.

[@devindaniels1379]

Notice one other thing about children going straight to heaven. If you were to ask them why God didn't just create everything directly in heaven, most say that God has to give you a choice. But if that's true, when does a child that dies make that choice?

[@bradthompson5383]

One of countless intellectual inconsistencies. One I think I am the first to think of: Ask them why there had to be the potential for Adam/Eve to sin. They will answer something along the lines of: Free will. Humanity had to have free will to be able to worship god, or not. Ok, then ask them if it is possible to sin in heaven? They will answer: Of course not. You can't be in god's presence and sin. And if you're in heaven, you can't be kicked out, so you cna't sin. Then ask, is there free will in heaven? Of course they will answer: Yes. Ok, they just proved to themselves you can have free will, AND, the impossibility of sin. God could have created the world like that. But didn't. Because he prefers to jack off to lifeforms sufferi Christianity, and Islam, and Judaism, need to stop being given any respect whatsoever. They are demonic death cults based on hatred of life, and hatred of human life most of all.

[@Theonetrueerenyeager]

Darkmatter literally looks like Kratos and the chad meme and I love it, he truly is a god slayer and a chad.

[@baliorne]

If I hadn't found your older videos, i probably never would've began questioning my faith in the first place. Keep up the good work!

[@stepfaniehawkins205]

Go watch the Ammon Ra interview. Did you know that for 500 years after the crucifixion of Christ that every religious texts blatantly stated that Jesus died on that cross........ There was absolutely nothing about him being resurrected that part was added, in the 5th century AD! Up until that time period, The book of Matthew which has his resurrection story ended with two women weeping outside of the tomb of Jesus. And that was it that was the story they were weeping because Jesus was dead and he was dead for 500 years! Which is when the church added 21 verses to the book of Matthew, claiming that Jesus was resurrected and that this event was witnessed by the women who for 500 years didn't witness anything, all they did for 500 years was cry outside a tomb.......... That was the story in the original book of Matthew

[@CaliforniaSurfer-gc2xv]

christebdumb2 who woke me, he has 200 hours that he exposes this EVILPEDO BOOK. also shows you these people rule world mondshift kristi burtke lyod evan

[@robertschwalb4469]

"Child sacrifice is objectively morally wrong, except when my specific god says it's ok, then it's objectively morally good." What on Earth kind of definition for "objective" is this man using?

[@OceanusHelios]

It's not an of this Earth definition. It is an of the Flat-Earth kind of definition. When you are a Flerfer or hang out with those who are, a language and science developes where words no longer have meanings they are just sounds to play to the ear and try to asphixiate people willing to be dumb enough to believe them.

[@blackosprey2219]

Ironically this comports perfects to the secular view that morality is purely an invention of power. God is the ultimate power, therefore he cannot be wrong.

[@omp199]

@@blackosprey2219 Who espouses the view that morality is purely an invention of power?

[@blackosprey2219]

@@omp199 postmodernists.

[@petrkinkal1509]

The subjective views of his god are objective duh.

[@aspieatheist6040]

If you read later parts of the Old Testament, especially the writings of the prophets, you know that the Israelites committed idolitry, adultery, sexual immorality, and incest after Israel had been established. Also, let's consider what actually happened according to the Bible. If the Canaanites were so immoral, why didn't God just snap his fingers and make them disappear? Instead, he encouraged his people to kill them. That violated the commandment "You shall not commit murder". Why would God encourage his people to sin?

[@johnboettcher1962]

Because it doesn’t exist.

[@robertmiller9735]

@@johnboettcher1962 In universe, it's because none of the gods involved is omnipotent, omnipotence not having been thought of yet.

[@ceroandone]

Because GOD does not exist at all.

[@mosj9876]

Because its do as I say, not as I do. Rules for thee.

[@melissawickersham9912]

@@johnboettcher1962Because the universe itself is God, and the universe doesn’t care about what naked apes do on an insignificant little planet in the backwater parts of the galaxy.

[@imacds]

I can think of myself as an American and acknowledge/denounce the genocides of the USA. I can think of myself as a socialist/communist and acknowledge/denounce the genocides of the USSR, etc. There is absolutely no excuse for any Christian to defend the genocides in the bible - all of the Christians I know find it effortless to acknowledge/condemn them.

[@samueloak1600]

Well, there's the little fact that God is supposed to be perfect, a good part of why religion has a greater grip over people's minds than nationalism or political tendency

[@vanessaasman8047]

Its a moral failing to recognize your peoples genocide on my people while still squatting on our ancestral land

[@bradthompson5383]

@@vanessaasman8047 The USA won this land fair and square. You lost. Get over it. "Your people" stole this land from other people who stole it from others. You're a pathetic, ignorant, hypocritical baby. You want the land back? Try to take it back. Otherwise, your talk is a waste of my, yours, and everyone else's time.

[@monkeytheboy88]

You and I may have a lot of respect for cosmic skeptic, but for me, you will be forever the guy that pulled me out of Christianity, and I owe my current freedom to you. It doesn't matter how much bigger Alex gets, you are the most important person in my atheist journey. Thank you for being here.

[@malirk]

WLC is an honest apologist who knows you have to bite the bullet and say God is always good. This means genocide is good if God commands it. We need more apologists who say the horrible things loudly.

[@Dystopikachu]

I wish apologists would also repeat more often how homosexuality is dealt with in the old and new testaments.

[@scottcates]

WLC was stupid enough to show his cards.

[@t_ylr]

I wrote a longer more thorough comment but KZbin deleted it. Basically I don't respect WLC because he's being far too generous in his biblical interpretation. Read Samuels rebuke of Saul who was given a similar command in 1 Samuel . God did not want them to just take the land.

[@EdwardGatey]

Honest apologist is an oxymoron. They lie like snakes.

[@jacobc9221]

It's not being honest, it's being blatant. Honesty comes from honor. Credit to Sunn M'Cheaux, Harvard professor and educational youtuber

[@sordidknifeparty]

I agree that Alex is awesome, but there is no one- and I mean no one- who does what you do better than you do it. You're the goat

[@Bebymeboo]

If you think the voices in your head are god than you can justify anything.

[@OmniversalInsect]

Robert Sapolsky has a lecture on how the inventors of religions may have been suffering from schizotypal personality disorder that caused them to hear/see things, interesting stuff.

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

@@OmniversalInsect bruh if jesus was to be like born now instead of back then he would genuinely be believed as a mentally ill cult leader

[@LisaAnn777]

Even the voices in my head tell me the Abrahamic god is absolutely crazy.

[@Acinnn]

​@@OmniversalInsect and probably on side was someone opportunist who observed and saw he can profit from that. how old is the concept of leader of the clan and shaman of the clan.

[@OmniversalInsect]

@@augustuslunasol10thapostle He puts emphasis on how people with a more severe condition (i.e. full blown schizophrenia) would bring up their visions at the wrong time and it would be deemed "insanity" and ignored. But for people who could say it at the right time, maybe for example when a loved one has died and someone claims that they can hear their spirit, it would be more acceptable to them. That combined with the lack of knowledge in ancient people.

[@r-pupz7032]

WLC is an example of the awful banality of evil. People who are ordinary, respected by society, not cartoonish super villains - yet who truly believe that heinous acts are not only excusable, but are sometimes required in thr name of whstever deity, leader or cause they follow.

[@pessimistic-zoomer]

It is Dr William lein Craig

[@Nerobyrne]

Apologists: "We know god exists because universal moral laws exist! For instance, killing kids is ALWAYS wrong!" Also apologists: "Is it though?"

[@IOverlord]

"Thou shalt not kill" Moses: "Anyways, I started slaghtering"

[@Januaryof28]

​Mose: they're diss track was awful god

[@drillyourarguments]

@@IOverlord Actually it was "thou shalt not MURDER". When did Moses kill anybody? Exactly WHO did he kill?? The elements of the gospel are clearly stated in 1 Corinthians 15:3-6, a key passage concerning the good news of God: “For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living.” Notice, first, that Paul “received” the gospel and then “passed it on”; this is a divine message, not a man-made invention. Second, the gospel is “of first importance.” Everywhere the apostles went, they preached the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ. Third, the message of the gospel is accompanied by proofs: Christ died for our sins (proved by His burial), and He rose again the third day (proved by the eyewitnesses). Fourth, all this was done “according to the Scriptures”; the theme of the whole Bible is the salvation of mankind through Christ. The Bible is the gospel.

[@grahammcbean6362]

@@Januaryof28 Wrong 'they're' ... it should be 'their'

[@Nexus-jg7ev]

So much for the divinely revealed laws. One would think that a good and omniscient deity would not reveal false moral facts. Since the scriptures of Abrahamic religions do exactly that, what better evidence do we need that they are false? Of course, I believe that there are such things like objective moral facts that can be gotten wrong, so I do take the moral mistakes of these religions to disprove them. People who reject that there are such facts, however, will disagree with me.

[@Gabriel-um9hm]

I talked about William Lane Craig to my religious mother(we used to hear his stuff on the radio if not daily, at least weekly) and her response was "It's out of context". I offered to let her watch the interview to hear William explain the context in his own words and she refused. She then said, "those people were evil for not following god so it was right to kill them". I asked her if it's moral for islamists to kill people for not following their religion and she said no. I asked if it's moral for israel to kill palestinian children who've done nothing wrong to which she replied the children are terrorists. I asked about the babies and she said no, that would be wrong. Only after pointing out that the bible specified god commanded the slaughter of the babies too did she start to show signs of cognitive dissonance. Religion is one hell of a drug.

[@lyokianhitchhiker]

Did she give her reasoning for thinking the babies were terrorists?

[@Nathouuuutheone]

Would she be fine with seeing kid killed in front of her by an israeli soldier claiming the kid is a terrorist?

[@HandsomeSquidward-q7g]

And a foul drug at that, with a host of painful withdrawal symptoms. The absurd cognitive dissonance is perhaps the hardest thing I had to deal with when tearing away the barbed flesh-hooks that the religion had inserted into me. Realising that, despite being told and forced to sing songs that "God is love, justice, blah, blah, blah...", the deity is in fact the lowest kind of murderous, manipulative psychopath, was difficult to deal with, but when I finally stopped believing, it was one of the most sublime and (ironically) rapturous moments in my life, and I have never once regretted leaving that Middle-Eastern Abrahamic death-cult behind.

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

@lyokianhitchhiker At least Israel apologists claim that this war would improve lives of Palestinians in the long run (I doubt it). After all Hamas is the source of all their troubles, right? Right? Eh. In her case it might be just racism. It's sad but true - you can't even blame islamophobia because children are too small to even understand the religion of their parents

[@kingsleykronkk3925]

Ask your mum if she would sacrific you if god asked her to prove her faith like Abraham. If she has any morals she knows either answer is wrong and will probably refuse to answer.

[@SaucyJack88]

After slaying both the Greek pantheon and the Norse pantheon, Kratos is now dropping truth bombs on KZbin. What a time to be alive.

[@ravinduudagedara2762]

I was thinking the same thing

[@drillyourarguments]

Straw bombs are not great weapons.

[@TotalAnalyst2]

​@@drillyourargumentsno he made great points why does a god who is all powerful need a army?

[@frankxu4795]

@@TotalAnalyst2 Do not try to convince the faithful based on logic and reason. They have to voluntarily give up at least some part of logic and reason to believe based on insufficient evidences. That's called leap of faith.

[@novisstulus4631]

A true modern day Nietzche

[@anthonynicolas577]

Hey man, i m from lebanon, and i've also been searching for more caananite mythology, history, art etc... we are a people with a lost and almost undefined identity. This video might not be the answer to our identity or even mine personally, but it sure is one step closer to finding out, forging it and or accepting it. While this may not have been your intention, i hope it brings you some sort of personal gratification that your research brings hope to me, and to the people around me. Finally, you probably won't read this, i just thought you deserve to be acknowledged for creating a generation of independent thinkers, in a environment that might have been beyond your scope. Hope you keep doing what you're doing man! I Wish you a long, happy and a prosperous life.

[@winterwalsh5601]

your voice makes me feel so safe. i have never had this before. thank you?

[@katyungodly]

He is the kind, intelligent, masculine man our dads were supposed to be, but never managed to measure up to.

[@MrSpleenface]

47:03 "It wasn't genocide" he says, before proceeding to describe ethnic cleansing. If we're splitting hairs between "ethnic cleansing" and "genocide", maybe we've gone wrong somewhere a WHILE back, eh Low-Bar Bill?

[@MariJu1ce]

Youre doing the world a favour with your channel

[@kylas1902]

From a Christian perspective. Does the devil...exist? Is... he stronger than humans? Has he.... Ever deceived a human? Could he... Pretend to be God? How can anyone know whether it a divine command or satanic trick?

[@AssassinoJake]

2 Corinthians 11:14 literally says Satan can pretend to be a being of light. How would Moses or Joshua tell the difference between God and satan pretending to be god?

[@kylas1902]

@@AssassinoJake Exactly! Tolkien has more internally consistent mythology and a nicer overgod that Christians. I wish they convert to Tolkienism

[@MrZauberelefant]

Book says God good, therefore not devil. Literally child's logic, and I am being an asshole towards children here

[@kylas1902]

@MrZauberelefant Actually children who haven't been indoctrinated have better logic than Christians as the Bible literally teaches you to take wisdom as folly. And not to listen to the educated. It's a self correcting indoctrination practice that avoids outside critiques and criticisms by appealing to authority. While never showing the authority exists so you appeal to men

[@Void100-v3x]

@@AssassinoJake Sure but then we'd have to explain why Got wouldn't stop them from killing all those babies if God knows what Satan is doing.

[@steelersguy74]

So God is Nixon? “It’s not illegal when the president does it!”.

[@AuroraBoarder1]

That's an insult to Nixon. At least he got us out of the Vietnam War.

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

@@AuroraBoarder1 he got you out of nam and into a economic and quality of life dip it took years after he left to recover and even then he left a cult of morons and monkeys

[@notusingmyname4791]

or Saddam Hussein "I am the president, I am above it all!"

[@Nathouuuutheone]

Rulers love God. Because God justifies ruling. Justifies hierarchy. Justifies tyranny.

[@blackosprey2219]

Yes. That's the meaning behind the story of Abraham nearly gutting his own son. It's "psychological abuse" when anyone else does it, but if God does it, it's a beautiful Test. Because God would never actually order you to murder childr- OH WAIT

[@curiousnerdkitteh]

Thank you, this is so important! These insidious flawed and even bad faith debate techniques are a real pitfall!

[@DiegoMorales-wn1jp]

If in the absence of an authority issuing a command there is no morality, then morality is indistinguishable from obedience.

[@Nathouuuutheone]

The only morals christianity allows are hierarchy and ignorance. Do not think, just obey. People having power over other people is good, because the Universe has a Lord too. Owning and abusing slaves is good, look, God owns us and abuses us (though they would never admit it's abuse, I wonder why). Being a racist bigot with a huge ego and tyrannical tendencies is A-okay, as this is the whole point of God having a chosen people and making many distinctions as to which peoples are or aren't acceptable targets of violence.

[@Roxor128]

Morality is doing what is right regardless of what you are told. Obedience is doing what you are told regardless of what is right. Seems many religions are unable to tell the difference.

[@alex.polychronopoulos4487]

@@Roxor128 Technically it is simple to understand conceptually; you could say morality is an obedience to a higher lord : "virtue" / "he who gives moral commands" / "God"

[@ANpreventschildabuse]

Science and reason demonstrate that all morality is equal and an opinion anyway. There is no right morality. Fact.

[@eigelgregossweisse9563]

Honestly if you believe there's an afterlife, as they say, the end justifies the means. You may think those kids are given mercy, but if you knew that the soul is tortured in that energy when forcibly killed, they would justify either that those kids went to hell or heaven. In such a dichotomy, it would be hard to argue, unless the easiest solution is to zap kids out of existence like Thanos, or rather, an omnipotent, omniscient God would've already done so (we had already thought about that before Marvel made Thanos go snap), rather than the other way. But thing is, they try to apologize by saying humans do that to humans, and maybe God would wipe the memories of suffering away after their earthly life. That's convincing. However, if we choose to stick to the notion that material life is all that exists, that you can't justify atrocities with an afterlife, then the argument falls nill. There's no more to argue.

[@jeremiedexter]

I couldn't finish this video. God bless you for watching the whole Craig interview on our behalf.

[@mythicaltyrant7476]

Jaw dropped listening to this the first time. I couldn't believe it. That's what religion does. Creates monsters

[@nx_s]

Same here. It's unbelievable how you can say those things with a straight face.

[@blackosprey2219]

Slight correction: this is what utopic thinking does. If someone believes their actions are creating an ultimate paradise, whether here on earth or in the afterlife, than they have the moral right to do anything and everything in its name. You see it with communism as much as christianity.

[@VeganCossack-te3ff]

"Formerly there were those who said: You believe things that are incomprehensible, inconsistent, impossible because we have commanded you to believe them; go then and do what is injust because we command it. Such people show admirable reasoning. Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. If the God‐given understanding of your mind does not resist a demand to believe what is impossible, then you will not resist a demand to do wrong to that God‐given sense of justice in your heart. As soon as one faculty of your soul has been dominated, other faculties will follow as well. And from this derives all those crimes of religion which have overrun the world." -Voltaire

[@melissawickersham9912]

Voltaire was very wise.

[@CteCrassus]

That's what propaganda and indoctrination does to you, both religious or not: They drill a hole in your cognition through which all manner of ideas can sneak in that would've normally never made it past your mental firewall.

[@ThirtytwoJ]

What they dont get is that the antichrist prob was jezus, or more likely the ones who created and propagated the jezus church mythos. As if an all knowing, all powerful God would need a middleman, or flip flop between supposed divine interventions and zero evidence. Reads more like a scifi alien novel

[@steveg1961]

The man literally said that when the babies and other children were slaughtered by the Israelites in their territorial campaign of genocide, 'It was a blessing to them from God.' That's when you know unequivocally that Christian apologetics isn't just anti-reality, but downright evil in regard to how corrupt it is. Designed to justify religious belief in religious doctrines, no matter what.

[@justice8718]

Okay. Atheist. Communist Russia is the fruit you produced. And America is the fruit God produced. You have nothing.

[@TheRealLanceCummings]

Your thinking, your logic, is rock solid. Thanks much for sharing with us.

[@heiyuall]

Only secular morals are morals. Religious morals are just obedience.

[@katarinatibai8396]

💯💯💯

[@wilberwhateley7569]

All “morals” are “moral” so long as society at large sanctions them - they are simply constructs that change as perceptions of people change.

[@Spiritof_76]

@@wilberwhateley7569 You missed the point.

[@Acinnn]

​@@Spiritof_76 what point did you take from that ? do you mind to share? or...

[@Acinnn]

not sure if morals are as clear concept that doesn't have more meaning then one. But I do agree... god based concept of good/evil is basically just obedience. and any attempt at justification of the morals. any debate religious morals VS secular morals stands on confirmation bias. but for example: they probably can't expect people to attend debates when they only say "because god says so"

[@briangriffin6370]

"There's no contradiction between an all loving God and ordering baby murder."... riiiiiight. 😳

[@gsp3428]

You are pro choice arent you, so dont you belive in baby murder, I am just assuming. So you guys would actually agree.

[@omp199]

@@gsp3428 You shouldn't assume things about people. I'm sure you can find people easily enough who openly support abortion, so you don't need to assume it of people you don't know.

[@derpy9452]

@@gsp3428 And if we are assuming, I'd say you are pro-genocide. Meaning you would also agree. See how assumption makes the argument invalid. Next time try not to defend your archaic beliefs with emotion.

[@gsp3428]

@@derpy9452 No you are actually agreeing with me. You are saying its alright to kill babies in the womb, if it fits what you want, so why shouldnt God be able to do the same thing.

[@IOverlord]

​​​@@gsp3428Because it's evil and theists claim he is holy.

[@nsbd90now]

At about 48 minutes the moral bankruptcy is astounding... "Don't defend your land from invaders, run away! See? No one had to die!" He also doesn't even know the definition of "genocide" which does NOT mean hunting down and killing every single individual of a group.

[@harambo88]

yeah thats the talk of ppl without any values.

[@sabin97]

@@harambo88 yeah. those who side with the juice(i have to misspell it or google gets triggered).

[@petermeyer6873]

"He also doesn't even know the definition of "genocide" which does NOT mean hunting down and killing every single individual of a group." Let me hear your definition, pls.

[@sabin97]

@@petermeyer6873 look up uthe official un definition. it has 5 specific things. if you do any of those 5 it counts. the na-zis have done all 5 in palestine.

[@nsbd90now]

@@petermeyer6873 It isn't MY definition... it is THE definition: "The deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group." Republicans are so intellectually lazy they need other people to do google searches for them.

[@dancancro5524]

Correction: The termination of a late term pregnancy is not "almost" always due to a problem. It is ALWAYS due to a problem.

[@aabrightlove]

Well, on the brighter side: the supposed holy war for Canaan (and the preceding plagues, exodus from egypt, and 40 years in the desert) didn't actually happen. Case in point: Jericho never built walls in the first place. That whole story is what historians call "competitive mythology"

[@aralornwolf3140]

Yet, the believers, like WLC, take it as _fact_ that those events happened.

[@jaclo3112]

Unfortunatly christians over the last 2000 years not only believed those stories of genocides to be true, but used it as the justification of the genocide and enslavement of people around the world. It's how christianity became a world dominant religion. “Christianity did not become a major religion by the quality of its truth, but by the quantity of its violence.” Michael Sherlock

[@stupendemysgeographicus5009]

Well, as a campaign it didn’t happen. But undoubtedly the Israelites did kill entire cities as they squabbled with neighbouring tribes. Interestingly (in a morbid sense) the practice of killing all the inhabitants of a city and burning all the loot to “honour the lord” is something recorded by Moab as well, but of course it’s to honour Chemosh, but is otherwise talked about identically. One has to wonder, if killing all the inhabitants of a city and burning it to honour a deity isn’t human sacrifice, what is?

[@aabrightlove]

@@stupendemysgeographicus5009 oh yeah, a few hundred years after the Bible claims, they totally fought each other a bunch. And, there is definitely historical/anthropological/archaeological record of that fighting! Just not the stories in the Bible claiming they controlled most of the region for a long time

[@ZephLodwick]

@@aralornwolf3140 In his defense, Craig said he wasn't invested in proving those events happened and seemed open to dismissing them as allegorical for the uncompromising fight against the evil in yourself (a not uncommon interpretation among the earliest Christian writers). Craig isn't a creationist or a biblical literalist, except for when he talks about Adam and Eve being real people, although I think he believes they were just a pair of cavemen God was the 1st to give a soul to or something. He just thinks that if they DID happen, they were not just okay but imperative because God said so.

[@sbnwnc]

Thanks!

[@bluecoin3771]

Ever seen Avatar the Last Airbender? One of the best shows ever made, truly a masterpiece worthy of Smithsonian preservation. The overreaching plot of the series is our chosen one hero, the Avatar and his friends, have to save the world from a military dictatorship called the Fire Nation. For the majority of the series, we see the Fire Nation conquering towns and spreading oppression, getting only subtle hints to life in the Fire Nation. Some people probably built it up in their minds as Mordor, some irredeemable land that’s barbaric and cruel. Only we finally see the Fire Nation and it’s actually nice there. The people are okay, the land is fertile, if you were told it wasn’t the Fire Nation, you would believe it. It’s just that the land is being run by a military totalitarian regime, intent on conquering foreign lands to enact supremacy. Some compared it to how just because a land is run by an evil government doesn’t mean the land is rife with evil, others say it’s similar to how America was acting during the Bush Administration, launching endless war upon the Middle East. At the heart of it, our protagonists were only kids who were coming of age and able to see the world with fresh eyes. The adults (or at least a majority of the adults) were worn down by war, more intent on slaughtering the other side than laying down arms. Our hero himself was a pacifist, hoping to find a peaceful solution while everyone around him wanted him to end everything in a violent bout. His whole hero’s journey was to reconcile the world as it is with what it could This family show was tackling difficult questions like treating enemies with mercy and recognizing the humanity within us all, and yet the Bible, the book that millions of apologists around the world claim as the source of all morality and the bedrock of civilization, regularly condones, even advocates the slaughtering of entire civilizations that are guilty of far less than the dictatorships of the last century. Someone please tell me, why is a Nickelodeon show from 2005 more profound and moral than the most commonly consumed and promoted holy book in the western hemisphere?

[@Amigo21189]

Short answer: AtLA's authors weren't burdened with the duty to justify millennia-old religious/political propaganda.

[@wilberwhateley7569]

Simple: what Bronze Age peoples called “morality” is something altogether different than what modern, post-industrial societies call “morality” today - it’s just an amorphous social construct that is constantly in flux!

[@donnievance1942]

Because being more profound and moral than the Bible is a very low bar. In these very comments, I, personally, have written stuff more profound and moral than the Bible. It's not hard to do.

[@donnievance1942]

The Bible is the magical holy text of an ancient, bloodthirsty, ignorant, and savage culture. It's not hard to out-perform in profundity and morality.

[@Information_Seeker]

"It is possible to kill children legally, if for example one is being attacked by an enemy who hides behind them. But the sight of a legally killed child is no less disturbing than the sight of a murdered one." -The Atlantic magazine

[@SeekingTruth2023]

Your arguments against the statements of WLC and Clay Jones are so good and consistent. Thanks for pointing out all these problematic issues!

[@lindatheheathen]

Perfect timing! I have things to do today but my brain could do with some engagement. ❤

[@lfelssordnry]

One could go on for hours about what is wrong with Craig’s explanation of the Canaanite massacre. 1) He characterizes them in such a way to dehumanize them, a common justification strategy for genocide. 2) To say that god waited 400 years until the Israelites fled Egypt is curious, due to the fact that the, bulk of scholarship points to this being purely mythology. 3) Other than biblical sources, and sympathetic Christians, an accounting of the “ debauchery of the Canaanite people is hard to find. What scholarship suggests instead, is that the Israelites are an offshoot of the Canaanite people.

[@justice8718]

The Word is literally alive. This is not a myth.

[@ZephLodwick]

I'd also like to point out that, in Craig's moral worldview, the Canaanites, given the knowledge they had, could've known they were doing anything wrong. The believed with all their hearts that Moloch and Baal were real. Moloch and Baal, being gods, had the right to demand anything of mankind, including the lives of their children. The only thing that the Canaanites did wrong was be mistaken about which gods were real. In fact, Abraham was going to kill his own son for God. While God stopped Abraham at the last minute, Abraham was rewarded for obeying God.

[@99temporal]

@@justice8718 do you have any proof of that?

[@justice8718]

@@99temporal Have you seen the earthquakes lately? So rapid, the Word said.

[@spacebook8923]

@@justice8718wow, that means… Absolutely nothing

[@SilverSixpence888]

You always help me to put my thoughts in order about these issues. Thank you for your research and clarity. That interview was horrific and upsetting.

[@puckerings]

Even starting with the question "who were the Canaanites" allows Craig to begin framing his argument in the way that he wants to. It was a terrible first question. It would be better to start by asking about principles. Things like "when is it acceptable to slaughter children for the deeds of their parents?"

[@mrmaat]

I disagree. WLC likes to get high on his own farts and Alex warmed him up for a while before politely handing him the noose.

[@donnievance1942]

Oh, but Craig had an answer to that. All those little murdered kids went straight to heaven. Let's hope Craig never indulges an impulse to send children to heaven. Obviously, he has no moral system that would prevent him. Let's just hope he doesn't develop the urge. Maybe he would respect the practical hassles instead.

[@harveywabbit9541]

The Canaanites are Scorpio thru Pisces. See Rev 9.5, where the scorpion (Scorpio) is the leader of Sagittarius - Pisces.

[@ExaltedDuck]

regarding the thumbnail, yes, but only when several criteria are met: 1) Premonitions of your secret wife dying. 2) An oath to your Sith lord to prevent the premonitions from coming true. 3) It'll earn you a really cool robot suit and voice. 4) It's all done to a really bumpin' John Williams soundtrack.

[@DavidRichardson153]

Don't forget about: 5) Screaming your regret over having gone through 1-3). 6) Tossing said Sith Lord down a ventilation shaft for him to end up on the Millennium Falcon's viewport like a bug on a windshield.

[@Gnomezonbacon]

@@DavidRichardson153 Might wanna try some manscaping down there!

[@wilberwhateley7569]

Killing younglings… That has to be the worst line of dialogue in all six (yes - there’s only six) episodes of “Star Wars.”

[@Thenogomogo-zo3un]

@@DavidRichardson153 "Young Vader, we will have to have a talk, about a GREAT MANY THINGS"

[@infidelheretic923]

You'd think Anakin would have asked "What about the younglings?". Sidious could have had them retrained in the ways of the dark side. Or he could have had them taken somewhere and it be implied that they were killed off screen. Anakin going that evil that quickly is pretty hard to believe .

[@jingles123456789ify]

To add more context to Andrea Yates: her husband was an extreme Christian zealot who demanded her to keep having kids, even though she would get severe postpartum depression and doctors warned them against having anymore. Instead of listening, her husband just keep teaching her that it's her duty to obey him and have more kids.

[@liul]

Great point about the "why question", totally agree with you

[@drlegendre]

For those among us who have encountered the phrase "The banality of evil", but didn't quite grasp what it referred to.. I give you William Lane Craig.

[@donnievance1942]

Such a good comment. I've written a number of paragraphs in these comments, but in two pithy succinct sentences you wrap it up quite well.

[@danielmartin5632]

Yes, exactly. Very well said. 👏

[@omp199]

You don't need to go that far. Just look at almost every person you meet. You can see what people's behaviour is towards others when there are no laws and no social conventions to stop them - such as when those others are non-human animals and unborn children, for example. Religion doesn't come into it. All humans are monsters when not restrained.

[@omp199]

You don't need to go that far. Just look at almost every person you meet.

[@omp199]

Religion doesn't come into it. You can see what people's behaviour is towards others when there are no laws and no social conventions to stop them.

[@datareaper1]

I have been looking forward to this since the animation. Its good to see these videos of yours.

[@briceChangs]

The meme! He did the meme! I didn't think I'd live to see the day 🤣

[@DivineBanana]

This has to be one of the greatest thumbnails of all time

[@chewyjello1]

I haven't watched Dark Mater 2525 in a long time, but I'm loving the recent content so far!! Bravo! 👏👏👏

[@arekwittbrodt]

"Why is there something rather than nothing?" - I like to turn this question around: "Why there should be nothing instead of something?" ;-)

[@MagnetManReviews]

might want to edit the comment you mixed up should and there think you meant the other order

[@arekwittbrodt]

@@MagnetManReviews I'm not sure I understand your objection. English is not my native language. The turned around question is directed toward a person who is asking the original question. Maybe I should write: "Why do you think there should be nothing instead of something". Would that be OK?

[@utubepunk]

​@@arekwittbrodtMakes more sense to me.

[@scottcates]

@@MagnetManReviews I tend to agree with your perspective and the definition of "should" in this context. Thank you.

[@scottcates]

@@utubepunk "Should" demands a "why." And that "why" is commonly improvable. Cherchez le should and you will find irrational arguments.

[@johns1625]

Taliban is known for saying "Do not fear, if you are guilty you will receive justice, and if you are innocent you will be greeted in heaven as a martyr." There aren't many things more terrible than this, and WLC believes that.

[@kaoskronostyche9939]

Christians are no different. Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius. "Kill them all. The Lord knows those who are his own." We have created all gods in our own image to justify our evil and wickedness.

[@connorwren8212]

It seems I have accidentally stumbled upon Kratos's KZbin channel :o

[@ometta7]

Yeah, he decided to take a slightly different approach to godslaying when he settled down and became a father.

[@Subtle2]

Stumbled across this video in my recommendations and I'm super happy to have discovered you, subscribed

[@Grieves0001]

WLG seems to get so joyous when he talks about killing children.

[@Analoghorrorlover]

I think they should do a check on him since he is so joyous when he talks about it

[@victorf8301]

i love these thoughtful videos wear you just sit down and chat about interesting topics!

[@Antis14CZ]

"I had to think reeeally hard to find anyone who is harmed by genocide." -William Lane Craig Seriously, screw the kids, but won't anyone think of the poor soldiers carrying out the genocide! Honestly, this shows more than anything that highest-level apologetics is still nothing more than dumb, childish excuses. "But when my god does it, it's fine!" "My god doesn't have to follow your logic!" "It doesn't matter that I don't have an answer for you, my god does!" It ultimately leaves the impression that apologists just don't care. They don't care if their arguments make sense, god is real, period, deal with it. I'm seriously looking forward to the time when we'll be able to just ignore these psychos.

[@markmuller7962]

Im so glad you did this review! I've been thinking for a while about reviews being a necessity in our community and I've also always thought that a good friendly premess to a review could be to say that it's easier for us to come up with the right argument/answer with hindsight compared of being in "the heat of the moment" where a lot of factors like anxiety can come into place

[@thesuitablecommand]

This is all of my grievances with what Craig said in that discussion, in a nutshell. A lengthy nutshell, but a sturdy nutshell. Well said.

[@Dr_Wrong]

At one time WLC was "an impressionable young mind." WLC is what happens to children when a WLC "teaches".

[@neonfroot]

This is why we need to stop imposing innocencd onto children. Impressionability is not absolute nor specific to youth. Its a paternalistic projection by adults.

[@pact-md5wp]

One thing that drove me insane is him conflating the israelites with Israelis If that was a Freudian slip it is incredibly telling.

[@aidancoleman7307]

Love this channel and have loved it for years thank you for always being a great voice on here

[@SeekingTruth2023]

Haven't watched the whole video yet. I saw this WLC Interview and I was so shocked and agitated, when he said it was a blessing for the children to have been killed. His opinion, combibed with his influence is, in my eyes, very harmful and dangerous to society. It seems he would still say this genicide was good and right, even in our time, if this invisible undetectable being would command genocide. The bible is written so vaguely, that people interpret a lot of things into it. With WLCs morals, this is dangerous. Thank you for spreading awareness on this topic!!!!! (I can't add enough exclamation marks ;))

[@kjejon1]

WLC? Is he absolutely starking raving mad?

[@SeekingTruth2023]

​@@kjejon1well, if you hear him speak, you might come to think he is. I thought I must have misheard his words... when he, fully convinced speaks these words...

[@theonlygoodlookinghabsburg2081]

Great video as always. DarkMatter is one of the best online figures in history. On a side note, I can't help but chuckle internally whenever DarkMatter says "all", it brings too many funny memries from the animations.

[@Peter-vf3dl]

I simply want to say: I love the channel. I admire the way, you explain/comment on things. So much so learn for me :) Thank you.