When Theory IS The Reality In Smash Ultimate

[@gusteen3292]

Bayonetta is the type of character that will always be good in a game like Smash, she may have been overturned in Smash 4, but I think she is in a healthy spot and will stay in a healthy spot for future games in the series

[@Kisthenewp]

I think a through line between these characters is that they have oppressive advantage states, good disadvantages states, and a neutral centred around being evasive and camping/punishing opponents. That’s why it’s taken them so long to rise up into the meta, because they needed a specific type of player to pilot, like sonix for sonic, shinymark for pika, and lima for bayo.

[@RyeAkai]

Hold on a sec. Let's talk about what's really important.... Was that the GBC Pokemon TCG OST I heard in the background??? Triggered a ton of nostalgia neurons in my old head.

[@TavaresSSB]

HELL YEAH that song is my jam Im glad someone got that

[@npclucario7005]

6:04 don't forget about pacman! tea makes that matchup look horrendous and even ddee's pocket pacman has beaten sonix. It's so bad that whenever tea and ken play ken has sded with several minutes left because it is literally impossible to come back from a large enough deficit in the matchup. Tea is 15-6 against top sonics including being undefeated against both wrath and sonix. To be fair it was 2022 sonix, but I think people will see how hard that matchup is for sonix if tea and sonix play again, would be as long if not longer than s factor grands

[@ostersoysters3326]

Honestly, I now main Bayonetta. She feels so much better as a real character in this game compared to Smash 4 for me. She's so much fun.

[@aidenvega6306]

Yeah sonic has bad MUs. Quite a few, and it varies person to person on their opinion. Roy, zss, corrin, samus, pac man, snake and game and watch are examples of characters who do really good Vs him if you ask anyone but sonix

[@yordvandamme]

Against Bayo, just shield and sdi. She's still good but not nearly one of the best, even after the buffs

[@majinblussb]

Spring is frame four lol. Spin Dash is side b and has 6 frames of invincibility on the hop (only if you’re grounded). Spin charge is down b and is the multi hit. But yeah spot on analysis. There are two things to consider though. Sonic is both momentum and execution base. Sonic is broken but you have to have the momentum swing to your favor first or else he struggles. That and there’s not a lot of Sonic’s who push his meta the way the top Sonic’s do, which to me is unfortunate because there’s a lot to be desired in this character and a lot of mid level Sonic players don’t push that to the greatest extent possible. I’ll change that though 🫡 (Edit: here’s a sub from me btw)

[@M185_X41]

Thank you I really don't believe sonic should be top tier on the tier list Tier A I could see that, but being top tier and one of the best characters in the game no unless you are a top player the character is not going to get results. Also where would you put Sonic on the tier list?

[@majinblussb]

@ I personally believe he’s that good, but like I said there aren’t many players who actually push him to his greatest potential, and ofc, other factors among the players themselves, but I still think he’s s tier. Tbh even if he was mid I’ll still play him anyway lol.

[@M185_X41]

@@majinblussb Agreed

[@uroy8371]

I don't think so. Many really op characters are limit by their players, like Steve. Why labing or improving him when he is already broken with camping and diamond.

[@djevebran2432]

Naaaaa, Saying that Steve is not the best character in the game rn is just wrong. Bro is just too powerful and NIL is already well implemented among top players. There is a steve player in the top of every competitive scene that has not banned him.

[@DausBugaboo]

Yo what's the first song? Sry this has like nothing to do with the actual video.

[@TavaresSSB]

CORNERED! from pheonix wright

[@notfranklin4916]

4:23 calling shiny mark "super campy" is pretty big exaggeration tbh.

[@badfish321]

Yes he is when he needs to be

[@TavaresSSB]

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[@chessmadeeasy6073]

Bayo is top 5. So many characters rely on frame traps and checkmate situations and Bat Within negates it all. The ending to this set kzbin.info/www/bejne/enutfKtqg9pld6c is genuinely the most messed up thing I've seen in Ultimate to this day lol

[@caoinhnamkhanh2795]

Shes good but i feel her strengths get oversimplified often. Her bats is amazing yes, her directional airdodges give her a lot of landing mix ups but bats often do not give enough frame advantage of the other person does a landing aerial (in general those are very safe in the game). I often see top bayos airdodge way too often (i watch most theit sets), and a lot of those go unpunished by opponents (they fear witch time but often times WT is not used, and they do no conditioning to make em stop airdodging) Theres also the importance of her eh neutral as she has to get grabs if you crouch/shield at abk range. This also does well against her having only bair as an acceptable kill move which makes their bair fishing very obvious (her grabs kill obnoxiously late). Her having ladders means she either kills early (when moves are harder to sdi) or real late (play neutral well). She also has counterplay to that but that is what i think is good (in terms of power as well as design) about her

[@gdmewmewgod6653]

The character that usually kills at like 150%+…? Idk at least Pika clearly has a stupid broken move so him being top 5 along with Sonic and Steve I can see. Bayo doesn’t have nearly as consistent kill set ups or defensive moves as much as other top tiers. Being conservative, GNW and Rob have far bttr arguments than bayo

[@rosestrohm7986]

SDI has entered the chat

[@fraweb897]

You made a typo on your thumbnail

[@TavaresSSB]

Fixed! Thank you!