Why Aren’t Men’s Issues Being Taken Seriously? - George TheTinMen

[@ChrisWillx]

Hello you savages. Get my free Reading List of 100 life-changing books here - chriswillx.com/books/ Here's the timestamps: 00:00 Mental Toughness is Toxic Masculinity 03:11 Movember’s Work on Male Mental Health 11:46 Why is Movember Funding Female Issues? 19:07 Biggest Elephant in the Room in Men’s Issues 22:53 When George Met With the Head of Movember 27:13 Movember’s Anti-Manosphere Campaign 36:03 How Men Find Meaning 43:50 Who Are the Proposed Role Models for Men? 51:57 What is the Conflict Tactics Scale? 54:18 Could the UK Get a Minister for Men? 59:11 What George Wishes Movember Would Do 1:06:38 How Bullying Impacts Boys 1:13:31 The ‘White Guys for Harris’ Campaign 1:16:59 The Future of Men’s Advocacy 1:18:30 Where to Find George

[@stevenmartinellimusic]

If I understood George correctly he feels there are people who care about men's mental health: sure, there are, but the point is that the statistics support the notion that on average people do not: just read the book "THE EMPATHY GAP" by William Collins or check out his website theillustratedempathygap

[@pepsico815]

My mom drunkenly beat up my dad my entire childhood and when he tried to get help from the police they didn't do anything for him at all. Ended up drinking himself to death at age 59. I can't stand our double standard society.

[@warrenlanham9088]

Damn that's sad. It's sad when it happens to anyone but i can't help think it's even sadder in a situation like this. I can't help imagine that he felt completely helpless with no way out. He knew that no one would believe him and even if they did they'd openly mock him. He knew that if he tried to leave the divorce and family court systems would destroy him and worst of all he would never get to see his children again so he just stayed in that hell.

[@BrolyPowerMaximum]

Well, if they took anybody from the house, they would’ve taken him, even if he was the one that was beaten and battered visibly. So long as he has a bigger frame than her, he supposedly the more dangerous one, and a lot of states they have to take somebody when there is a call for domestic issues issues , so by default by taking the man, and then the man has that on his record, even when he is the victim.

[@dipro001]

I am so sorry for what you had to go through. Thank you for sharing it with the world so that we may know how low people can go. Stay strong and there are good people out there. I wish that many come your way

[@MarioMario-vy4bi]

an exception though. terrible what happened to your dad but women get abused far more often.

[@evanduquette]

​@@MarioMario-vy4biLook up the statistics for domestic violence and lesbians.

[@10onpump5]

The worst abuse I ever endured came at the hands of my mother. Physical? Occasionally. Mentally and emotionally? Constantly.

[@puzzardosalami3443]

It doesn't really count, does it? Because patriarchy I guess.

[@HeyUncleJack]

💯

[@10onpump5]

@jxxxhy That abuse can come from the people you trust the most and in more than one form. Do you need a hug?

[@melkerner]

Yep - pretty close to being beaten to death at times when I was little - and NOBODY did anything. Kicked in the stomach so hard when I was 6, I coughed up blood - was made to hide it and never let anyone know.

[@10onpump5]

@jxxxhy yeah, I’d take one bro. 💜

[@just_lurking4833]

I have noticed the men most susceptible to abuse are the "golden retriever energy" type of guys. Coincidentally "golden retriever boyfriends" are all the rage nowadays. Subservient men seem to be rewarded socially, but privately I think it's very common for these men to experience constant disrespect and verbal abuse. I've seen it with MANY friends actually, I wonder if you guys have seen or experienced the same.

[@dan44zzt231]

Yes dude. I've seen this with a couple of friends, their so terrified to upset their wife/partner that they become slowly more subservient without even realising it. Usually they were with the wrong people to start with but kept it going as too afraid they would never meet anyone else.

[@shipester26]

I've definitely seen this. It's like they think they want that but then there is a lot of disrespect and even contempt. My friend treats her BF like that, she has so much contempt for this dude but as her friend, she doesn't realize that she is not exactly the most ideal partner in a lot of ways but she can't see that. Just goes on about men not liking strong women, blah blah. Like it's not that you're "strong" it's that you're unnecessarily combative about everything. Which anyone would get sick of at some point.

[@just_lurking4833]

@@dan44zzt231 I've seen it rarely gets better with time. Once you let someone "get away" with poor behavior, it almost inevitably will get worse.

[@glennwoo08]

Living example of what dan44zzt231 said, right here. Served her divorce papers Aug 2019, she is still getting away with B.S. 🙄 The family court industry, is hell on earth for men.

[@niallfitzpatrick6568]

Yup, and in my simpish days I experienced it too. Not any more. If a woman says "fetch" to me now I'll tell her to feck off 😂

[@colinh9294]

Literally had a discussion with my Grad School Ed class yesterday. They just ignore male issues, and say that men have to do better, but want to pacify young men. It makes no sense.

[@andrew6815]

it doesn't make sense until you run it through the lenses of intolerance and hate. Many of them (and likely all of the people you were speaking to in that moment) have bought in to a series of hateful and dishonest (charitable description) myths about gender relations in the past and, as a result, have developed a bigoted attitude towards men as a group

[@ethan-sq6zv]

@@andrew6815they’re doing exactly what has been done to other groups but at men this time

[@adogg-2006]

It occurs to me that these people understand that women are responsible for most of men's modern problems. But they can't ever acknowledge that, so all they can say is we have to "do better"

[@colinh9294]

I think everyone missed something though. Although they said men have to do better their solution is to pacify the boys. That's the contradiction, and confusing peace. They don't want me to tell young men you'll end up poor and alone if you don't do better, but want men to get better by being coddled as boys!

[@DictatorDoPa]

@@ethan-sq6zv Yeah? "All" men? Or the "right kinds"?

[@billusher2265]

I think the issue is framing it as “mens issues” at all. Studies find both men and women feel less empathy for men, and a lot of women seem to fall for the apex fallacy, so when you bring up men’s issues they imagine the minority of particularly successful men and don’t understand why their issues should be focused on. The worst example of this was the “male loneliness crisis”. The attempt seemed to be to try and create empathy for socially isolated men, but women are primarily focused on socially successful men, an isolated man is low value and to be avoided, whenever it’s discussed the comments are flooded with women denying it or mocking it for these reasons.

[@billusher2265]

I think there are two tactics to get around this however: - Frame it as a woman’s issue but then just distribute the funding to everyone. Ex you do a campaign about the issue of women’s homelessness, get donations; then use them to help homeless people period, 80 percent are men so you overall helped the mens issue. - men en-masse identify as trans. Just start saying you feel internally like a woman but change nothing else about your life, if anyone denies it accuse them of transphobia. Basically use the lefts tactics against them and step out of the paradigm where they accuse you of privilege to silence your issues.

[@duncan18663]

Do you know where I can find the empathy studies? Every search just brings up tons of stuff about men feeling less empathy than women but not about RECEIVING less empathy than women. I believe it's true but I want to see the studies.

[@Volkbrecht]

The way I see it is that it's a societal problem that is either not understood or cannot be accepted as such, because the obvious solution would be to transform society "backwards". And that problem is rampant individualism. It's not that women or men do anything wrong, it's that we have lost the bonds and rituals that made us able to coexist. Bad marriages and social incompetence have always existed, but we used to be connected in ways that gave us more working examples, and applied more social pressure to keep things rolling along. These days we believe that we should have the personal freedom to live life any way we want. To each their own. But that's wrong. Humans don't work that way, and all the fallout we are seeing is a consequence of that essential misunderstanding of human nature.

[@joerapo]

"seem to fall for the apex fallacy" I can't think of many feminist talking points that aren't based around some kind of apex fallacy.

[@comentaristametaforico9287]

​@@duncan18663I hope I can help. Look at bias studies. There's one research that showed women were more likely to sacrifice men when hypothetical scenarios were presented, whereas men showed less bias and sacrificed both more equally in hypothetical scenarios. Now if only I could remember the name! Give me a second. Love and hugs!

[@BigWickTraders]

I’m a single dad. I have my children. She doesn’t do anything. Doesn’t pay…barely sees them. No one cares. I don’t need help from anyone taking care of my kids either. You can save the sympathy for the women. Men are used to bearing life’s burdens with zero help or thanks from anyone.

[@thinkbig5438]

Being a single parent is a hard job. I wish you and your family the best.

[@alanballew9218]

Social customs follow biology, not the other way around. Now that most cultures have decided masculinity is toxic, they are doing their best to stamp it out - in men, while celebrating it in women. Biologically speaking, probably 50% of men are "excess to requirements" when it comes to reproduction. Compassion does not just spontaneously spring into being; it has to come from somewhere and be based on something. Cultures in general will never come to care about men in the same way they care about women, and the sooner a man accepts that, the better his life will turn out. People who call men "toxic" are actually the ones who actually are poisonous.

[@tempsoda]

You don't have my sympathy, but you do have my respect. Any single parent doing their best deserves that.

[@jonahtwhale1779]

Do you have a family court order against her for Child support? If so have her jailed, if she does not comply with the order. Women need to be given equality with men!

[@josec.6394]

You are spot on. The part of culture being rooted in biology has always been on my mind.​@@alanballew9218

[@richtea615]

It's taken me about 30 years, but I've finally realised we are the disposable half of humanity who are neither valued nor appreciated. The only thing you can rely on is yourself, and the only happiness you will ever find is what you carve out with blood and sweat and defend mercilessly. Tell no one your real feelings, as it will only be used against you. If you want loyalty, buy a dog. Your only true equal is another man in the same situation.

[@thenewbohemian5779]

@jxxxhy He's not crying, he's sharing a realization that came to him through difficulty...... being a pissant doesn't help.

[@josec.6394]

I kinda like that. The raw and ugly nature of our existence. You either embrace that your life is a perpetual battle or crumble like a woman would.

[@vsperatos]

​ @josec.6394 men whole personality and existence is making sure they aren't " like a woman". Hilarious

[@dolanduk7946]

Know your worth, dont provide it for free, and never provide it to people hubristic enough to think men arent needed.

[@comentaristametaforico9287]

​@@vsperatosIt's better not to be like one. If they receive empathy for merely existing. Where's the merit in that... The infantilization is cycle. They refuse to carry burdens because it's inconvenient. Then become infantilized because they are perceived as incapable of carrying burdens. To be powerful and respected like an equal they would need to go through things they don't need to, and often choose not to. Maybe it's a self-fulfilling prophecy...

[@benjohnson8231]

Woman "why aren't men more open" Also woman "man up"

[@illbeyourmonster1959]

Also woman again: Anything you say will be used against you later.

[@dan44zzt231]

I mean both are true, there's situations where being tough is required and situations where being emotionally vulnerable is required. Its just being authentic. Assuming this is aimed at previous/current partners you just haven't met soneone you can be authentic around yet.

[@BrolyPowerMaximum]

@@dan44zzt231 yeah, so long as you’re in a relationship with a healthy person who can handle you being both a flawed and a strong person at points. There are fewer and fewer women like this in the west right now because they think that there is a greener pasture that’s easily accessible at the first sign of any trouble

[@youericc]

Women: "Men should open up!" Men: *Opens up* Women: "Not like that!!"

[@MrGameWithFame]

Many of the issues women have with men would be solved if we supported men better.

[@ianwynne764]

Hello Chris: On the subject of men and therapy, Adam Lane Smith on your show, said that most therapists are women and they don't understand what men need in therapy. I am in Sydney Australia and this year I have been mentoring a 13yo boy. The people at the mentoring organisation didn't seem to understand what men need. Have a lovely day.

[@joshuadavids8535]

Men are not allowed to talk about anything, we don't get hurt, we don't suffer, we don't need help, we just need to shut up. That is how it feels. I grew up with epilepsy, at my worst I was having 300 siezures a day. I was emotionally abused by my mother and sister. Abused in school by my classmates, ie bullying. SA by my doctor treating me for my siezures. Meds treating my siezured took a toll on my mind. At one point told at 17 i had six weeks to live after discovering something in my brain. Eventually had surgery, removed said thing, got cured of epilepsy. Enlisted in the Army during GWOT, suffer from pstd from that and my abuse. At 46 I am just now talking about it to others, for my whole life been told to shut up because I can not be a victim or abused since I am a man.

[@irubberyouglueonethousand5384]

yet at the same time men are theoretically doing and saying whatever they want at will and often without consequence

[@Cresentmoon649]

Who is stopping you from talking. Whom is this person that need to allow you to talk?

[@joshuadavids8535]

@Cresentmoon649 ah to live in your bubble. By the other comments on this channel I can already see who you are and what you believe. You just proved my point by this comment and your others on this channel and I bet your social media is filled with that stuff too.

[@Cresentmoon649]

@@joshuadavids8535 ok, now seriously who is stopping you from talking?

[@tempsoda]

I remember watching a documentary called 'my wife, my abuser', it was quite harrowing to see footage of the abuse this man endured over their 20 year relationship. However what was more upsetting was the length he knew he had to go to be able to physically document and prove the abuse before reporting her to the police. He was petrified his wife would twist it and persuade the police that she was the victim, taking his children away from him and risking subjecting them to the same fate. It was utterly heartbreaking that he felt he had no one to turn to that would believe him, let alone help him.

[@anotherdedchannel]

Women's organizations aren't towing the line because there is no line to tow. You hear women need help and you naturally believe it and want to help. You hear men need help and think, well did he have a job? Did he break any laws? Is he abusive? Is he w good man? Does he deserve help?

[@dolanduk7946]

You can thank guys like this. Theyll do anything except hold a woman accountable for anything, let alone to the same standarda as men are

[@LightYagami_99]

I concur. Which is why I believe that men should generally focus on masculinity and purpose. Focus on improving your life for you and not for women. Women in the west get so much support that they don’t require assistance from men. Isn’t that what feminism wanted?

[@daverichards1534]

Thank you Chris for your focus on men’s issues. It’s infuriating as men are struggling on all fronts that they are still called oppressive patriarchs. The hate of men is literally everywhere especially on social media like on TikTok and other misandrist factories.

[@pieterrossouw8596]

A lot of the "toxic masculinity" BS starts very early by teachers treating boys like malfunctioning girls. When I was at school, we had a few male teachers - they always understood the dynamics between boys in a way the female teachers couldn't. Nowadays there's hardly any male teachers left and of those that are, most are high school teachers. We need male role models and teachers way earlier.

[@tomgaul9978]

I was a public defender attorney in the US for over 25 years. I had so many domestic violence cases against men that I lost count. What I also lost count of was the number of cases where the police report basically reads like this: "Responded to call of domestic violence. Got to residence. Female was throwing things at man, screaming abuse, trying to hit him in our presence. Took statements. She said he hit her. He said it was in self defense. Arrested male. Told female to calm down and she went back to the house. Case closed with arrest of male."

[@youtube-nutzer2895]

That's very sad

[@desireemeredith4929]

Making up anecdotes is not a valid way to get your point across. If a man presses charges against his female abuser, the abuser will be arrested. Period. If, what you are typing is, in part, true, charges were not pressed when the officers arrived.

[@tomgaul9978]

@@desireemeredith4929 sorry Miss, but experience does count for something and I have had far, far, far more experience than you on this issue. You are simplistic in thinking that if someone says they were abused, an arrest will occur. That simply is not true. The police will make the decision about whether an arrest will occur. And, if a female demands an arrest, than policy often says the male must be arrested. But if a male says he was abused, the female probably will NOT be arrested. You THINK you know how it works; I KNOW how it works

[@brandnew4451]

Start saying this "Your approval is of no value and your disapproval is of little concern"

[@irubberyouglueonethousand5384]

Your opinions do not constitute my reality

[@brionmurdock966]

GenX man here... Mother left my real dad when I was real young. I do not remember him he was a good man I was 1 of 3. Mother remarried and I was physically and sexually abused by my step dad. Mom watched and never cared. I tried to seek help at my school telling a counselor my dad hits me. When my step dad found out he beat me hard. I never told any one after that. I left home at 16 but had to deal with my mother at 18 for legal reasons. Turns out my real father left me a trust fund with some substantial money for me. My mother and step-dad were able to take all of it due to hard times. It was BS none of that money ever went to me they used it to buy a boat, vehicles etc. ANY advice I can give men and boys - NO ONE WILL EVER HELP US. No matter how poor, how abused, how depressed you are NO ONE cares. I am now in my late 40s it was true back then and its still true. I am sorry its that way. Get a dog they will be the only thing that will love you till the end.

[@brionmurdock966]

@jxxxhy trust fund laws are not good. Mother claimed hardship that they would lose the house if they didn't take from my real fathers trust fund to me. In reality they just let the bills lapse so they could show the court and keep the money to buy a boat and cars etc. It was a lot of money I got maybe 3% of it when I turned 18 (real dad passed away when I was like 10). Family courts they dont give a shit about the kids. Like child support the mother does NOT have to prove it goes to the kids.

[@ClaireGreen-wd2gm]

I mean explain what part of your sad story couldnt have happened to a woman? I just saw a pbs news hour where a 13 yesr old girl reported her foster father took her on car rides alone and graped her. She was told she was lying, put on probabation for lying to police, forced to write him and apology letter, and sent back to live with him. He graped her again and she managed to get video evidence. He went to prison then. Most SA be it done to a man or a woman is never punished. Having video evidence helps but even thats not a sure fire conviction. Ive seen lawyers argue that drugged unconscious women consented to being in sleep fetish corn as an attempt to defend men who were drugging graping and filiming it.

[@brionmurdock966]

@@ClaireGreen-wd2gm This is a bit of a tangent I didn't say this experience was because I was a boy. Pointing out bad mothers is something that society as a whole doesn't accept or allow. Women do not get the same convictions for graping an underage boy as men do towards girls. All the female teachers abusing boys is great proof of that. To TheTinMens point why are we talking about women? Women have so much help. As a boy at the time no one is helping me. I reached out for it and paid the price. I have some other examples I tried to get help and it didn't go well that I don't want to go into. Really the point of the video is no one cares about men by and large. Women have a lot of support. Sure there will be exceptions but the vast majority of all social programs, govt assistance, societal stigma is geared to help improve women's lives. For men its "do better". I managed to find a good job and an amazing wife. Something that is rare these days. But for men I am by and large the exception to the rule. This is anecdotal but I know far more men destroyed by divorce, child custody, raised by a single mom then I know raised in a loving home. That is just sad.

[@ClaireGreen-wd2gm]

@brionmurdock966 When men talk about men being being destroyed in divorce and family court men fail to even acknowledge any man has ever been justly divorced and seem to forget most married women do work so she been contributing to the household and the assets are partly hers. If she hasnt worked outside the home then shes been doing unpaid labor as a trad wife he likely asked for and wanted. Most divorce happens in lower income homes and the vast majority of child support goes unpaid with a 100B dollars of never paid overdue child support being owed in the US. Men can get foodstamps, low income government housing, disability checks.

[@perpetualprocrastinator]

@@ClaireGreen-wd2gm We are solely talking here about men's issues .Why are you caveating it with 'but women...'?

[@boethius31415]

I'm a 40 year old liberal man, and yet I'm getting to the point where I just don't think the liberal establishment can turn the corner on men's issues. I see that they much prefer to talk *at* and *about* men rather than *to* or *with* them. A little bit of humility would serve the democratic party extremely well, and yet why would they be humble when the progressives perceive their mission as smashing the patriarchy?

[@Gheir-xe4mv]

Ya I'm drawn to the culture of the right and the economics of the left, I feel homeless as well.

[@scottl9660]

They are cooked brother, I’m about a decade older and I asked myself why do I keep supporting a party that won’t help me at best and hates me at worst? It’s ok to no longer feed the hand that bites you.

[@ClaireGreen-wd2gm]

​@@scottl9660 Why are you expecting to be helped by a political party?

[@nickthompson1812]

@@ClaireGreen-wd2gm why would I believe the government? Good question. It takes some of us longer than others to realize those in the highest positions of power are bad people.

[@duncan18663]

@@ClaireGreen-wd2gm Because political parties take half of all the money in the economy through taxes and spend it to help their supporters which these days often means women but never men.

[@Adamthegeek70]

We had men's spaces but they were taken away. We had a defined place, and role in things. That was taken away. I make do with what I have in my head and a steadfast not giving a shit about protecting my personal space.

[@manifest2203]

So mn have decided to whine all the time about wmn in the internet?

[@justinedse8435]

@manifest2203 Before commenting, please learn how to write English. Wow.

[@kellymoan7010]

As the mother of a 20something year old son, I love that there are men like you Chris Williamson, to talk about issues concerning men. Thank you for your voice and what you do!

[@pomikiwi9010]

Appreciate it too. I'm the mother of an almost 16 year old son, and I want to be fully informed of the issues men are facing so i can be an understanding and supportive mother. I also lost a step brother to suicide 19 odd years ago, so it terrifies me.

[@e-moshe]

George is excellent. He knows the breadth and width of the subject and offers insights many other talking heads, set to loop, won’t ever provide.

[@jasonu3741]

yes but hes going to run into a big issue hes not really confronting here Men go about there lives with the understanding and belief women require a greater level of protection and coddling then men, Mens advocacy cannot do a 1:1 in its scope like womens groups because Men would rather feel useful, needed and competent than just "heard". Male Advocacy has to look different than womens because men do not want to see themselves as victims EVEN IF they are, its a fact that just makes womens advocacy much easier to advertise then men.

[@jasonmay9387]

I know a man who wife saw him cry at his fathers furneral. She was never the same with him and she filed divorce 6 months later. He found out text she sent sayingshe lost respect for him. We live in a mess up world.

[@toddjohnson271]

Count the bones of young men still dug up around Stalingrad and tell me society has ever cared about men.

[@nicolasdupuis114]

Pretty much this

[@toddjohnson271]

@@JohnPretty1 Pity? I am just stating the evidence how men are generally treated by society.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

​@@toddjohnson271 Society has been ruled by the patriarchy for centuries

[@prakharmishra4453]

​@@wyleecoyotee4252yeah that doesn't mean men didn't suffer. Few rich men and women got to live a far better life than they deserved and a lot of young men were slaughtered in wars.

[@youtube-nutzer2895]

​@wyleecoyotee4252 ah yes a system that is supposed to be benefitting men more than women. The stats totally support that.

[@TheTinMenBlog]

Lovely to be back! ❤ thanks for having me

[@acacia_w]

I admire how uncompromising you are. I hope your approach pays out. I imagine it feels lonely being a dissenting voice.

[@timsas]

fix your mic, you keep being dropped at the start and end of a sentence.

[@MinosML]

Thanks for all the hard work you do, George.

[@pomikiwi9010]

As the mother of an almost 16 year old boy, i appreciate what you do. Keep up the hard work. ❤

[@Jason-gg4ip]

I recommend checking out Janice Fiamengo's work. She argues that feminism has been rotten from the very beginning. It's also just nice listening to her speak about men's issues with empathy.

[@jay01-k3o]

Agreed, Janice is great.

[@tigerbear3038]

Here is something that's hidden and not revealed in the stats - if a woman kills their partner, they ask another man to do it (it could be a hitman, boyfriend on the side, old flame). And if there's a conviction, it's usually the man that committed the act who is punished and the woman does not face any consequences due to lack of evidence. Since there's no conviction, the stats would not count these women as the perpetrators of these crimes.

[@tigerbear3038]

@jxxxhy which part?

[@tigerbear3038]

@jxxxhy I am speechless. First off, that's not what I said. Second, you don't even understand the context of that sentence. Third, you completely missed the mark on the gist of the post.

[@jamarr81]

@jxxxhy, all of the statistics from the US Justice Department back this up.

[@Volkbrecht]

But let's put that into context: murder among spouses is generally rare enough that it doesn't really represent anything. Even in the more traditional muslim cultures, murder is generally illegal, and divorce is an existing legal option. So we should maybe look into the more common, everyday injustices to figure out where the system is still skewed against men.

[@NickM_FirstofHisName]

​@@Volkbrechtgenerally rare enough? Intimate partner is the first suspect in case of homicide.

[@bdoubleeb3039]

I’m 46yo man and every woman I’ve ever been involved with has attempted to emotionally abuse and manipulate me, they have loaded the burden of performance onto me and made me entirely responsible for their “happiness”. I’ve been super resilient, I’m successful, I set boundaries, I’m in touch with my emotions, they ignore everything I am doing and hyper focus on the 10% I’m not doing.

[@LuckysLair]

Nothing is ever good enough, I stopped trying to be perfect decades ago. Now my attitude is, this is me, take it or leave it.

[@thaliakate888]

I hear this and believe it. I’ve seen at least 5 women over the years physically abuse their male partners. I never saw any of the men react physically, except to block the attack or one time to attempt to implement restraint on a hysterical woman. I’ve also witnessed multiple unhealthy women emotionally and verbally abusing men in such an incessant way that even a patient sane man could snap and do something he’d regret. It’s been many years since I’ve seen that kind of behaviour. I do my best to avoid people like that nowadays. Most of it was drug and alcohol fueled, people with untreated mental health issues, women who didn’t have a father or lost a parent when they were young etc.

[@damienchall8297]

The reason is society is built on male disposability and we aren't adapted to a society where most men don't die in battles between tribes

[@andrew6815]

As someone who grew up abused by men and women, and who has spent a pretty good chunk of my early life standing up for abused women and LGBTQ individuals, I find this dismissive and contemptous attitude by a disturbingly large number of women towards male victims of abuse to be extremely concerning and disheartening. I didnt fight for your justice for so many of you to turn around and just spew hate and ignorance towards other suffering people. I think the situation is extremely dire and we specifically need women to stand up against this behavior from other women... we need everyone to stand up

[@christopherpakney8542]

Too late. We're done.

[@andrew6815]

@jxxxhy why are you putting abuse in quotation marks?

[@hughiemg2]

​@@andrew6815 to try and frame what you shared as false... which is behaviour which is worthy of contempt.

[@thenewbohemian5779]

@jxxxhy you really are a piece of work....... what's your game dude? This is the third asinine response I have seen from you on this comment section, and in each you are attacking others on baseless grounds.

[@chady7009]

Women see unsuccessful or struggling men not as people but things to be avoided.

[@Guigley]

It's also important to remember that men don't talk about their issues like women do. Men mostly carry their burdens in silence, while women talk about their own issues in a more open way. There is nothing wrong with this. The problem is that society and the media have made it so that women get to do all the talking while men are cast aside.

[@desireemeredith4929]

Talk away... Nobody is stopping you. This is a box that you, yourselves, have put yourself in.

[@JDWDMC]

I was an emotionally attuned child and it just got me bullied and beaten. There is no way in hell you can tell me that a blubbering bodybuilder is a role model. People afford him that respect because he is physically intimidating. The average bloke just gets laughed at if they admit to ever having "broken down in their girlfriend's arms." The average bloke gets called "the girlfriend" from that point on.

[@lloovvaallee]

I can't listen to this without thinking about Mickey Rooney. In his final years he was seriously abused by his wife. At the time this was described as an instance of "elder abuse" but it was certainly an instance of abuse against men. It was a great tragedy. Even though he had been a famous movie star him entire life he died almost penniless.

[@yashaouchan]

And for the record not all men want to be strong. Some want to be left alone but not abandoned.

[@brianhopson2072]

Boy, this is completely depressing and terribly reassuring given my own struggles. The lone helplessness is real.

[@callummcnamara3853]

George is such a legend man he is a true male role model even though that probably wasn’t his goal 👏👏

[@jonathanedwards984]

Always enjoy George’s talks with you. I find it incredibly frustrating that society seems to have so much trouble taking men’s struggles seriously. Part of the challenge is the takeover of many institutions by postmodernism. Males are seen as “oppressors” (I deliberately use male as opposed to man due to the corrupting influence of queer theory). As a gale male I have become an expert on the psychological challenges males face navigating the modern world. Funnily enough no one has expressed any curiosity about the subject. Part of the problem is the current LGBT+ movement sees men as problematic and need “fixing”, which is why I now am alienated from little the LGBT+ “community”. I am a guy first, gay second.

[@thesea4120]

Shoe0nhead just uploaded a video on the same topic would suggest getting her on the podcast

[@cybermuse6917]

Good suggestions. Great for highlighting the blindness and unwillingness to listen to men. Only reason they a trying (and failing badly) is because it has become a potential benefit to them.

[@Knight39er]

Shoe0nhead is great! Sydney Watson also has loads of content about supporting men. She's a good watch as well.

[@bdoubleeb3039]

The only answers i ever seem to see for men’s problems is “work harder, do better”. There is no accountability for women’s roles in men’s issues.

[@bobisbob646]

A woman's idea of a solution is complaining at a man until he actually solves it.

[@AD-dl7je]

Thank you George for calling Richard Reeves out. Totally sick of his shit.

[@dward5945]

Just listening to the podcast. George, you are a breath of fresh air. Thank you. (Speaking as a mother to a son, wife, and mother to a daughter - i want a nice well-rounded emotionally strong man for her to marry and have a family with).

[@MatthewSoares123]

ALL FELLOW MEN. AS A MAN, I LOVE YOU MAN, NO MATTER WHAT RACE, ETHNICITY, OR ANYTHING ELSE. WE WILL GET THROUGH THIS. KEEP WORKING OUT, FOCUS ON YOURSELVES AND YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY! ANYONE WHO TELLS YOU THAT YOU AREN’T WORTH IT OR WHATEVER, IGNORE THEM. THEY CAN FUCK OFF!! YALL ARE MY BROTHERS AND I LOVE YOU. ❤❤❤ TO ALL WOMEN, PLEASE SUPPORT THE MEN IN YOUR LIFE. MEN ARE HALF OF THE WHOLE WE NEED TO MAKE KIDS! ALL WOMEN WHO LOVE MEN AND WHO RESPECT THEM AND WHAT THEY DO, I LOVE YOU!! ❤❤❤ HAVE A GREAT DAY EVERYONE!!

[@Rambleon444]

You don't even know me, but thanks! I'll have a great day anyway, and the same to you!

[@LiamBeanComedy]

@@murtisoftyour comment was well useful man. Class act mate.discourage people more, it’s really useful.

[@okaySam]

I'm 100% with George. Guys like Richard might mean well, but their indirectly hurting the cause.

[@zacar0ni]

Respect to George. He may be the only liberal men's advocate that isn't just in it because he fears men are becoming "far right" like Reeves and Galloway. George actually seems to deeply care and doesn't concern himself with the political aspect. 👍

[@BloodyHeck]

Men are seen as needing to be strong and taking care of themselves. Women are taken care of by society (men’s taxes).

[@davidelliott3823]

It is so refreshing to hear a man wanting to pay attention to mens problems without first having to reference women's problems.

[@jackdeniston6150]

There is no mental health crisis with men. This is in fact the real problem. That we have to apologise for existing. Needing to ´ásk´ to be considered human. Being blamed for everything, especially womens idiot choices. Total Societal gaslighting.

[@seeingthings1]

I'm really, really glad you had this guy on to react to Richard Reeves's insincerity. I don't think RR is a bad man, but if you want to effect real change, you need to put your ass in the line, which RR isn't apparently prepared to do.

[@de14jabs]

RR is disingenuous at best. It's not valid to call it a man, male yes, man no.

[@giorgiococconi]

Im sorry I’m not very up to date about richard reeves, what did he say that was insincere? I don’t know what event you’re referring to

[@youtube-nutzer2895]

​@@giorgiococconiit's around the 45 minute mark

[@giorgiococconi]

@@youtube-nutzer2895 Thank you!

[@Caligulove]

When people did everything they could to destroy Jordan Peterson, we got Andrew Tate. It's not that the establishment doesn't care about men's issue. They actively work against men.

[@houseoftheman293]

This hatred for the manosphare is a big part of the problem.

[@ghost_illmatic]

💯 manosphere ain't going anywhere. It's spreading i.e. andrew kibe and amerix in Kenya

[@chimpwimp9407]

I think it’s fine to lambast the manosphere. The issue lies when you have “progressives” deliberately not understanding that women can also oppress as well as men. Even though they constantly state that women and men should both be allowed to do the same jobs and that one is not better than the other. That men do indeed have systemic issues and it isn’t just existential. That’s the issue.

[@ThatMexicanGuyLouis]

My mom tried killing my dad a few times I remember she told me not to try the ground beef she made n I asked her why but no response but I was still to young to understand what women thought. Another day I was in county and I was on the phone with my siblings and they told me my mom tried killing my dad with a knife, a few years later my dad confessed to me that she was trying to get my dad to hit her that was her goal so she could put him in jail Another time they were getting a divorce and I was mad because I thought I could of fixed things and my parents had an argument n I made a hole in the wall my dad was outside n my mom came to me asking if she didn’t it for her so like basically be on her side. I didn’t respond I was just mad at both of them. Then I learned about how women actually think…. Life’s crazy.

[@IFBBProYeo]

I did not know that No shave November was about men's health? Wonder how I didn't know! I feel bad about that. I watch a lot of these type of shows so I'm definitely going to finish this one to find out what else I don't know! We do care about men, not just our own men but men as a whole

[@thenomad-ceo]

Thanks for raising the topic again and not letting it get swept under the rug.

[@warrenfoster11]

I attended last year's Movember Launch Party here in Brisbane. I walked out halfway through. Despite the well known damages that heavy drinking cultures have caused to men for decades it was an open bar and the speakers were drunk. The speeches were self-congratulatory for all the good work performed by the organisation over the last 20 years. The speeches lacked evidence of progress on men's health issues. The speeches were aimed largely at the women present. The speeches focused mainly on the conversations Movember had started [eye roll]. The vibe was 'let's pretend to care about men as a means to signal to women about how fucking cool we are'.

[@duncan18663]

I read Movember's annual report - the CEO is a woman, half of the board are women, and the whole report is about justifying helping men by quantifying the costs that men's illnesses cause women! I understand that they are probably trying to placate government feminists who might otherwise stonewall the organisation, but it's sad that men's welfare isn't viewed as important enough in its own right to fix.

[@candybracelets]

My introduction to the idea of a men's minister was Ava Santinas debate on politics live where she scoffed and smirked at talk of men unaliving themselves and was then presented as a complete victim in the media when Laurence Fox made nasty comments about her. That one interaction speaks volumes about how much a men's minister is needed, bus also about how unlikely we are to get one. The idea that men are valuable and worthy of help is in direct conflict with the narrative that is being pushed that we are toxic and responsible for everything wrong with the world, so it will never get the go ahead.

[@elsh332]

Whenever a woman starts to bitch about men, i always cut in and speak up. Im the mpther of 4 young men and we are very close, so I've seen their challenges up close and personal. This world is a scary place for us all and this whole thing of pitching the sexes against each other is so damaging.

[@carloscortes1577]

I currently writing a jiu jitsu emo music musical (I know it's sounds weird) based in my experience with my ex girlfriend. She was a boxing national champion and diagnosed bipolar. Sometimes she will be the sweetest girl in the world and the next she was beating me with precise punches. I started training jiu-jitsu on the side. The reason why I chose jiu jitsu it was because it was the gentle art and I didn't want to hurt her. I got my blue belt and then I told her I was over with her. She got crazy mad and tried to beat me again but I take her back and choked her unconscious. Then I left. She tried to tell everyone that I'm a violent man and that my blue belt was enough evidence of it. Luckily enough, police didn't consider incapacitating someone as "assault". To this day she tries to convince everyone that I'm a violent men. I'm currently teaching children's fundamental class (I'm the only one of my gym who trains using the ecological approach so that's why they chose me). And I try to teach both girls and boys to never allow someone to attack them, even if the attacker is smaller.

[@DictatorDoPa]

Nice.

[@markkleiner157]

1:05:19... I love the proposal of the round table -- pushing back against the fracturing into positionality, finding resonances -- some heretofore unimagined -- by bringing the different flavours together ... Baskin & Robbins has more than one flav, after all!

[@ernestbidon5027]

When mainstream media speaks of "the manosphere", they mean people like you too. Chris Williamson, J. Peterson, Milo or Andrew Tate - as long as you disagree with feminists, it's all the same to them.

[@vroomkarnik]

We need to speak up about our own issues more now

[@geoffs9221]

Andrew tate is not a poster child in the manosphere. It is not an Is organization or ideology. It is simply a term To Describe Content made for men's issues and advice.

[@ElenasDad]

This is their endgame. They want to label any type of content which talks about men's issue's as misogynistic and inceldom. You should only be serving women and putting their interests above your own in their eyes.

[@Jedimack7]

He is a strawman. They use him as the embodiment of the "man's issues\modern masculinity" to disparage anyone with concerns about men. "You're not one of those...manosphere nuts are you?"

[@Legz_inStyle]

@@ElenasDad Endgame? That has always been their go to for more than 100 years now.

[@kickinkanga7026]

This guy is very good 👍 spoke truth and really good at speaking.

[@RunningAway_1990]

I'm only 15 mins in and already George has me nodding and scribbling down names, documents names, and things to read up on. Advocacy as it should be. (Jaw hit floor when is saw 11% of the 750,000 people mentioned here is 82,500)

[@P-fv3mg]

My dissertation was on exactly this issue and his assessment of the literature is spot on. Men are less likely to seek help for many reasons. There is minimal support and men are actively punished for reaching out.

[@consciously73]

I'm a huge fan of George's instagram. Appreciate you giving him a boost Chris.

[@chrisjackson9626]

I work in child and adolescent mental health primarily with autistic boys (I'm also autistic). One of the first things we talk about and look to implement is purpose. I'm about to start a men's psychology course by Dr John Barry, which I'm hoping will significantly add to the work I do. Thanks fellas for talking about these vital issues.

[@chriswyer7144]

I'm always glad to see Tinman! Great insight & a kind person!

[@SitmanGeorge]

I have been thinking about his and this is my theory. The world is used to seeing men as villains, aggressors and oppressors. What we don't talk about in these discussions is the fact the world is afraid of men. Almost all the world's problems can be wrongly but easily simplified to "mens fault". Men dont have the same empathy as women get, some of the men who commit suicide are also abusers, some of the men suffering in academics are the troublesome individuals too. So that's not all the men, but if you live in a world that is geared to see things from a female perspective anything in support of men is always an uphill battle for reasons I have mentioned that people don't openly say. If you are a man and you bring up a problem the world immediately turns it into "mens fault". To the extent that if you speak to the average person you might end up arguing about how everything is because of men before you can get to any problem related to men

[@cheecheneg]

What we need are clear, step by step guides telling men what to do in different situations, like partner abuse, divorce, reputational warfare, how to attract women, how to be motivated, etc. Not only are the old scripts not working, they are actively harmful to men. We need to develop new skills and strategies to even get by.

[@superiff12]

I did a A level sociology in the early 90s in a rural English college and the radical feminist lecturer for the course kept saying thing to me, aren’t you bored with the expectation of being in charge for making money for your family? They were showing us films painting men as toxic back then by highlighting (remember the Trauma films?) as horrifying men making horrific things normal, I have to be honest and I openly laughed at that as the movie’s were so unrealistic they were funny. But feminism has been actively I.e. it’s actively planned trying to break men down for many decades. Even though it’s arguable they won 20 years ago they know no other way except their own toxic way of framing an argument.

[@nickvoelker7180]

It's a cultural issue. Not doing the incel thing here, this is a rationale take. I have considerable challenges. I'm physically disabled. I have multiple auto-immune disorders, and I'm a combat Vet with the expected issues. I don't date unless I have a handle on all of my issues 100%. There simply isn't enough air in the room for anything I have going on if I'm in a relationship with a woman. I'm dependent on medication, I die in very short order without it and it controls every aspect of m life. That hardship pales in comparison to having a vagina. Gen Y and Gen Z use victimhood as social currency, and that practice has spilled over into every aspect of society. In that context, to get ahead socially, people inflate their hardships to gain social credit. It's a self-feeding cycle that pushes the absurdity further with each iteration. The current political climate pushes social issues forward; our society views race, ethnicity, gender, and sexual preference as states of disability. How is someone with legit disability supposed to compete for attention and resources against those highly emotionally charged issues. Men's issues are pushed to the very back, as men, especially white men, are filling the role of Lucifer in this new religion. Personally. I'm highly educated, world traveled, well read, I comfortably retired in my 30s, I own a business, I'm 6'2" and very fit as I compete in barbell sports and bodybuilding. I'm a very eligible bachelor. I just don't get what I need in return when I'm in a relationship. Example. Two weeks ago I was released from the hospital. The same day, a female friend texted me and asked me to deliver something to her on the other side of the valley. She said it was too much of a driver for her. She knew I was just discharged. She's perfectly healthy.

[@leanneclare3750]

Aggression by males and females is interpreted in very different ways. Society doesn’t really like grappling with female aggression. I’m an adult social care solicitor often involved with Coroners hearings. Trying to get the message through to men about seeking help is very difficult. Projects have been launched into universities and workplaces targeting young men because of the high rates of male suicide. From my experience the rates aren’t getting lower. Locally, we are pursuing this and next week I’m attending a course -“ Domestic Abuse - why do men not come forward”. I agree that domestic violence also comes through altercations between the couples. I was a victim of DV in my first marriage. I was astounded when I met my 2nd husband who told me about his experience. He is a man who was taught not to raise his hand to a woman. He said if he retaliated he knew she was more likely to be believed than he would be. Stereotypes need to be challenged.

[@lilyleelilly]

I was graped when I was 18. Went to group therapy was told by a group of women that because I was born with a penis I should have been able to protect myself. Well I wasn't and it happened. I wasn't able to fight off a man 100 lbs my weight. I had my innocence taken because I am gay and they thought that was gross so they did that to me. I can't talk about really with anyone. I just feel ashamed. I just feel like no one will care. The hardest part is still feeling ashamed of my sexuality in the back of my head. I can fantasize but I can't follow through. So I don't date. I would just feel bad. I have never told anyone really any of that. I just make jokes but have never opened up about my lack of ability to be intimate with anyone. I just feel weak.

[@acacia_w]

😥

[@NathanielReynolds-fq7bi]

Im so sorry man

[@Bjorn_R]

The only domestic violence I ever experienced was one night where my mother hitting my stepdad while he was trying to get away from her and later on she hit me once and never again. He shot himself in 2018 and I often wonder if he would have done that if our home environment had been better... I know my mother loves me, but she has and is still, putting me through mental abuse. It angers me when women ask me if I have a good relationship with my mother, to check if I am a "decent" guy. Well what about my mother? Did they consider what she might be like?

[@Jagadibanda005]

I was constantly abused psychologically emotionally beat up by my own mother father never laid a hand on me . same mother tortured my father emotionally cheated constantly ,stole from him and filed countless false police reports to get him arrested he didn’t divorce at the stigma of being looked down by those around him When he did go for divorce eventually court gave his house to mother even with countless evidence pointing to her lies and both of son standing against her . That’s a man’s world

[@NorisSpecter]

It's kinda ironic that the easiest way to win in a society that calls you toxic is to become toxic, isn't it?

[@peterliversidge6434]

Apparently we live in a patriarchy. Just listening to this shows who really controls the levers now in society. And it's not the average man...

[@ImpulseIVXX]

I'm sure everyone has some level of trauma from growing up, being a child and transitioning to a functioning member of society can be very difficult. The people who experienced the trauma should not be blamed for what they went through, but life is all about what you do with the things that happen to you, and we are all responsible for our own actions.

[@HelloTygr]

The problem I have with discussing “spanking” is that there are several methods of discipline which are all called spanking. Some are simply reactionary and retaliatory forms of physical abuse, but there are methods of spanking which I believe can legitimately be described as ‘gentle parenting’ and they should not all be lumped together under one label.

[@ericdraven3654]

You two guys are doing a great job and you are really helping men and society. I am a better man and a better person for content like this. Cheers from Spain.

[@Stasiiiaaaa]

Any chance we can get a link to George’s podcast. Thank you

[@chillikoala]

It's always frustrating when domestic violence is focused on physical violence and abuse. As girls grow up, they learn how to be emotionally and socially manipulative in their various social groups and relationships, probably due to a lack of inherent physicality (as men do). As women, they have highly developed skills of psychological manipulation and THIS is the form of abuse most often expressed by women.

[@evanporter958]

to touch on something George mentioned about Canadian stats at 53:45, I am a man who was attacked by my partner in our apartment with a bent coat hanger. I was violently attacked, and then stalked for months after I left. When it got so bad that I had to phone the RCMP, they responded but I experienced this "are you kidding me" lack of response. It happened to me in the middle of the Me Too thing, and not a single person would believe or help me get away from her. So, Canada is probably one of the WORST countries to live in as a man these days. And I totally relate to Chris' annoyance with having to give a preamble about women's struggles before speaking about our own. Nobody gives the slightest care here quite honestly.

[@bernstock]

Thanks so much for your efforts, George. After finding all this stuff out, I have no hope for the world. Being a man is a shitty deal in the time we live in, and I'm not seeing a way out of it any time soon.

[@ghostcog]

Great conversation, good points made

[@smallsignals]

41:30 I'm a more feminine guy - arts degree, strong language comprehension, gay... it hasn't helped me fit into a more feminised society all that much.

[@viharm2960]

Nobody is listening because this video has 67k views and 2k likes on day 8 on a channel with over 2 million subscribers. recommendation algorithm either manual or artificial certainly is a significant factor.

[@wtfdoihavetodohere]

Why does no one discuss men's reproductive rights, or more accurately, LACK of reproductive rights?

[@nisenor5059]

Thank you for having Mr. George on the show. He does important work, and his voice matters. Keep up the great work, Mr. George

[@TheTinMenBlog]

Aw thank you

[@nisenor5059]

@TheTinMenBlog a true pleasure, sir. Keep up the great work!

[@CarolinaPrettel-r1p]

As long as we have different brains men and women will never truly understand each other

[@stfacilegregory2373]

at the end of the day this really is the answer. being biologically different isn't as insignificant as people think

[@ethan-sq6zv]

The curse from Genesis

[@johnw9038]

​@@stfacilegregory2373Way to completely miss the point. Can you even read?

[@stfacilegregory2373]

@@johnw9038 rather than straight up going for the insult, it'd be nice of you to clarify to me what I got wrong from his comment so I could actually understand what he meant.

[@anominousanonymous9344]

​@stfacilegregory2373 you didn't say anything wrong. John is being a loon.

[@KayleneStringer-tn9po]

Here in Australia we have a minister for women in every state and no Minister for men . Please look up Zerosuicide community awareness . For last 2 years we have laid 2500 empty boots representing the males who suicide in Australia each year . Last 2 years media interviewed Paul Withall (president) and others but it never aired (media blackout on it?). This coming Tuesday we do it again at Parliament house Canberra to try and break through the ice of politicians. All we ask for is one trusted Minister for Men.. crickets

[@cobbler9113]

Would be great to have the links included in these for the charities mentioned at the beginning. Would be more than happy to donate and give some of my time if possible.

[@สมัยจันงก]

men mental health is not conidered by society

[@S888A-KenObi]

18:00 I did drop out of that interview. This guy gets it.

[@chrisjackson9626]

Me too. The same happened when I tried to read his book.

[@whitesentinix]

great conversation... I have to say, if you want to see a good positive masculine role model on TV, I know he's a fictional character, but Captain Pike from Star Trek Strange New Worlds is a VERY welcome breath of fresh air for showing not only healthy masculinity, but also healthy leadership. I'd encourage all boys and young men looking for something to check him out.

[@TYBG85]

33:03. You're absolutely right, Jordan Peterson has often allowed himself to be vulnerable in a way I'm not used to seeing from a public intellectual. Also in his recent debate with Richard Dawkins he contrasted what he called Dawkins more masculine reality driven thinking style with what he called his own more feminine thinking style considering symbology and metaphor. It's interesting hearing this supposed misogynist give such a tip of the cap and credit much of his intellectual curiosity to a strength he attributes more toward women. He's very comfortable with allowing himself to be moved emotionally and giving plaudits to women's strengths.

[@BigBoomOfDoom2]

Just thank you.

[@joshcihak2117]

Hey Chris, one comment about the Twitter situation with Elon you bring up repeatedly in your podcasts. As a former employee of Twitter/Elon, the way you describe is not at all how it happened, 4500 employees were let go overnight with no option to choose whether they wanted to stay & work hard or not, less than two weeks later 25% of those employees who were let go were re-approached by Elon and team to be rehired because he couldn’t manage the infrastructure without the experience that was there. Try to keep it straight 🤙🏼

[@glennwoo08]

So, in the end 3\4 or 3,375 employees were superfluous. Gotcha! Thanks for that!

[@thenewbohemian5779]

so y'all were excessive and wasteful, and are now wingging. Elon is a champ.

[@vincl7578]

Modern-day individuals have a complete lack of knowledge when it comes to matters of Mens' mental health & the battles we face daily. Sadly something I experienced myself during 2024.