Why Infinity War Worked and Justice League Failed | One v One

[@Filmento]

I know it's been almost a year, but I won't let it go. I'll never let it go. Never forget, never forgive.

[@sebastianverano8723]

hey you can make broccoli tasteful if you soy sauce on it and believe me it taste good

[@propheci]

Now that bit at the end, with Peter Parker dying at the thought of Tony banging his aunt? That was just wrong, dude...lol.

[@sebastianverano8723]

funny because in real life Robert Downey jr and Marisa Tomei used to date

[@OnlyTimefps9]

You had me dying on the 6 years and Thanos dancing part! XD

[@YourVideoEssaysSuck]

The Snyder cut would have been so much better

[@ichidoriyou7472]

wait i just realised JL lied to us:in the poster it says "You cant save the world alone" but in the end Superman comes in and soloes Steppenwolf

[@asadabdulqaabir4006]

Well that was exactly the message "You cant save the world alone... unless you're Superman"

[@taegotkash]

Lmao Ikr 😂, I might have to tear mine down now.

[@jayn9362]

#ReleaseTheSnyderCut

[@coladict]

Well, YOU can't, but HE can!

[@kevinclement1533]

And Superman turns out to be a humble person, and still gave Aquaman and Wonder Woman the chance to deliver some hits to Steppenwolf while he watched from the back 😂. Justice League has so much potential if done correctly, but WB is too impatient to outpace Marvel. Its a pity, I feel that many of DC's standalone movies like Wonder Woman, Man of Steel, Aquaman and Shazam are better than many of MCU's standalone movies.

[@TOONAMAX]

Infinity War: washed, cleaned, prepped, seasoned, marinated, cooked, garnished, cooled, served, blessed, enjoyed. Justice League: microwaved.

[@xviicass]

Toon™ 😂😂😂😂

[@thealmightywonton4687]

Why did you marinate after cooking it?

[@young_hsgc7793]

🤣🤣

[@chickennugget9254]

You cook it first before marinating?

[@thealmightywonton4687]

Chicken Nugget did you just copy my comment but in a better version?

[@jen-dz8bq]

5:36 "he has less personality than Thanos' henchmen, and I'm pretty sure one of them doesn't even speak." 😂😂 BURN

[@amujaoonly103]

Damn!

[@ThrawnSr]

@RB Cull Obsidian, the big one that loses a hand via Wong in New York and then dies on the wakandan energy shield.

[@cliffordbenenati7373]

@rb gaming12 all of them included are 1. Cull Obsidian (the one who doesn't talk) 2. Ebony Maw (squidward dude) 3. Corvius Glave 4. The blue girl (please forgive me for forgetting her name)

[@nandakishorem8238]

Approxima midnight

[@justthinking650]

ngl, I've enjoyed ebony maw's 3 minutes screen time than steppenwolf throughout the entire movie

[@aryadey60]

Thanos: loves his adopted daughter more than anything. Stephenwolf: loves his mommy boxes

[@foop2954]

I'm 60% sure that there was a magic trick in which the box that his mom was in was cut in thirds and now she needs to be put together

[@scotcheggable]

*Stephenwolf*

[@greenkoopa]

I'm a big fan of mother's boxes, as long as they aren't my own mother 🧐

[@Grasslander]

There is just no point with a movie where Superman can beat anyone in one second. He can fly around the world in a second, and is strong enough to destroy the Earth if he wants to. He is invulnerable. Why would he need allies? How could he possibly have enemies? They all pull out kryptonite, which is absurd - pieces from a planet that exploded far away and went through space randomly, and dozens of them somehow landed on Earth. But why would that stop Superman when he can just fly high in the air and throw rocks, or freeze a kryptonite-holding enemy with his breath? They have to constantly nerf Superman by making him extremely stupid. Landing in front of a villain to talk. Moving far slower than he is capable of. I see no point in paying anything to go see such a character.

[@meetsiddhu3455]

Not more than the soul stone I tell you

[@MyPisceanNature]

The biggest reason, Marvel spent 10 years setting up the payoff of Infinity War, and DC tried to play catch up as fast as possible, instead of laying the groundwork.

[@trevorphilips9065]

J.J. Kuchenmeister So just trying to fit in that's pathetic DC doesn't even make their own movies

[@a.morphous66]

It’s Marvel constructing a building on a solid foundation vs DC trying to build an entire house on naught but a bunch of loose dirt.

[@MosesPrimm]

Yeah you see how lazily Doomsday was just plopped in at the last second. These studios really think people are that shallow lol.

[@aman_409]

A. Morphous yep dc sucks they build giant house on sand

[@aricente]

I love thanos, and i enjoyed killmonger but nobody gives enough credit to Vulture. Vulture was honestly such a good villain, he was both brutal, relatable, intimidating and commanded so much presence in his scenes

[@flavoryf566]

Right. I feel like people just forget about Homecoming, and Vuluture was the best part of the whole film. Underrated.

[@GEMINIVice1]

Ego - GotG vol. 2, Vulture - Homecoming, Hela - Ragnarok, Kilmonger - Black Panther were all good viliians pre Thanos imo.

[@GEMINIVice1]

@Sergio Ramirez lol...man traveled all through the galaxy dropping his baby batter off in every woman he could find I thought it was funny that he was revealed to be a dedicated man whore back in his hey day. The shit about killing unworthy offspring and Quill's mom...not so much.

[@everettwold]

Yeee

[@tholebutenberg2486]

That‘s why they let him life and go to jail. I think we will see the vulture again with the sinister 6 in Spider-Man 3. Sony wants to bring Venom into the MCU/Spideyverse, i could see something like: Green Goblin, Vulture, Shocker, Sandman (survivor of the elementals in Far from home), Mysterio and Carnage vs Spidey & Venom + someone like Falcon and Winter Soldier in the last battle. MCU understand one thing far more better than DCEU, people love cameos, they love collaborations! They love that it all paints a bigger universe. I never understand why they don’t took flash from the show..and gave for example Cyborg a mini arc in it like 2 or 3 episodes. You would have got a Flash everybody likes + a Cyborg people outside of DC fans know. For example, MCU needs someone the can mash up with a new hero? They can always take Quake or Ghostrider from AoS because it is the same Universe.

[@nickovoxsipa]

The cgi of Thanos is waaaaaaaaay better that the one of Steppenwolf who seems coming from a PS2 game...

[@kendallroyfan]

Lol

[@yattasuccess9212]

Gamecube*

[@harrylane4]

They shouldn't have introduced an all-CG villain until they were given the budget for it. More things that WB rushed because they just NEEDED to "catch up" to a series that started 4-5 years before them and makes twice the number of movies in a year

[@TheFunnyGuy9000]

And way better than Will Smith’s Genie

[@goated9415]

Thanos looked real, couldn’t even tell it was cgi it looked that good lol

[@queensenpai6722]

Being one hundred percent honest. I went to see Justice League opening night with some of my friends. I fell asleep within the first 20 minutes of the movie and woke up to the end credits. That was the only time I've EVER fallen asleep in a theater.

[@diligentinlife5361]

LMFAO

[@jrosales360yt4]

Damn

[@rahuldraj]

well, u r not alone.. but i am fell asleep during second half

[@notstupidbutthatsalie601]

Bruh just wanted my mom to get more nachos and was drinking a coke, didn't want to think of that movie.

[@yoshithebear7630]

You guys watched the movie?

[@F1rsttimer]

Infinity War was the dessert of a long three course meal on Thanksgiving night. Justice League was a snickers bar.

[@ServantOfPriss]

That's honestly a disservice to snicker bars.

[@trevorphilips9065]

F1rsttime_online Can't compare those films

[@advip2552]

Trevor Philips he did

[@ATATChat]

Bahahah

[@GagasAlGhazali]

well said

[@Kadz]

_Infinity War worked because it had meme potential_

[@アガノたね]

It has Thanos Car

[@DonsStudios]

Where is Gamora? 😐 Who is Gamora ? 😲 WHY IS GAMORA?! 🤯

[@earthwormsally3059]

YoU sHoUlD hAvE gOnE fOr ThE hEaD mR. sTaRk I dOnt FeEl So GoOd

[@earthwormsally3059]

PeRfEcTlY bAlAnCeE aS AlL tHiNgS sHoUlD bE

[@ohoh6902]

This was your home And it was bEaUtIfUl

[@achintya5265]

this video is better than justice league

[@everettwold]

The most true words ever spoken

[@nicknackau]

Achintya Gupta hahahahaha soooooo true

[@camdinner789]

literally

[@aliminator1310]

DANG, BOI!

[@ashleegardner6819]

Lol agree

[@iamgroot5717]

"Infinity war had one consistent vision" *SHOWS A SCENE WITH VISION IN IT*

[@Stereo6400]

_ha_

[@observer2484]

Ha

[@nicknackau]

I noticed that too

[@dennisfriasii7270]

I see wat U did there

[@aaronmueller1560]

He’s pretty consistent, too. And there is only one of him.

[@ZaqueChannel]

I think another key reason that Just League doesn't work is the characters have very little in relation to each other. In endgame, a lot of the characters had already built up relationships through several separate movies and had history and a reason to fight togethor.

[@lemontree9518]

Zaque good point

[@zlwel287]

the first avengers movie didnt have that too but it still worked

[@madtitan0825]

@@zlwel287 because they have conflicts with each other, to this day I still don’t understand why Aquaman changes his mind to join JL, the team itself just doesn’t make much interesting interaction and also we don’t know much about these characters

[@zlwel287]

@@madtitan0825 both teams had internal cnflict, both joined forces for a common goal, we only know thor iron man and cap in avenger, and we only know batman superman and wonder wamon in JL

[@madtitan0825]

@@zlwel287 tbh I don’t feel like I KNOW Batman and Superman in this universe because the movies tell their stories poorly, I know WW cuz they literally explain her character for the entire movie(I really enjoy WW)so we understand her action in JL, and other two characters’ development is just... vague

[@Darek_B52]

To be fair they never did see him until he started eating so he was technically invisible.

[@realamod]

Darek Baird - right on!

[@UnderEarthFilms]

He has mastered the art, of standing still. He has entered the in between!

[@Darek_B52]

I am surprised I got so many likes. Thanks everyone.

[@thomasturtle7207]

No problem

[@CabezasDePescado]

that joke in the movie was bad and out of place

[@internziko]

DCEU: you took everything from me! MCU: i don't even know you!

[@bilbobeutlin3319]

*I don't even know who you are

[@josephweimer2859]

Bilbo Beutlin You stole my correction...

[@rjill7000]

"You won't."

[@tomsiebert155]

Yet dc rivals marvel

[@cliffordbenenati7373]

@@tomsiebert155 only due to the comics and tv shows

[@liarose2054]

"And it features Spiderman, which never hurts" *Gets hit with a billboard*

[@faiz486]

I swear to god, I read this as soon as it was saying it

[@bolt4yt]

I started giggling like an idiot because of that smack sound effect

[@AnotherAgnostic]

You made some valid points but you missed the biggest reason why Marvel succeeds and DC doesn't... Marvel is more patient. That's right. Marvel built up to infinity war for a decade, starting with Iron Man. DC did very little character building. They should have had a Flash movie. They should have had a Cyborg movie or two. They should have sat down and planned out every movie before shooting the first movie. That's the truth.

[@FallingOranges]

Now that you've mentioned it, I'm surprised it wasn't brought up as it is a common point I've seen brought up in comment threads.

[@cadillacdeville5828]

I always thought that. They just threw the characters in there, like hey here you go have fun.

[@timego5552]

@Tory Livingston They were simply mentioned there, just a cameo. They had no characterization nor build up. That's the problem, you can't rush these things. Iron Man had like 3 solo movies before Infinity War, so did Captain America. Thor, Hulk, and the Guardians got their own movies too, Spidey did too. The other Avengers movies gave even more development on their relationships. Heck, just about everyone got their own movies.The point is that we got to understand these characters and grow attached to them. We watched their struggles and accomplishments in their respective movies, so when the time came for all of them to meet, it ended up being a storm of emotion. We know who these heroes are, not as characters, but as people. Say there's an upcoming football game this week and you're going. If some stranger just approaches and tells you he's playing, you wouldn't care for them. However, if your bestfriend, lover, or sibling happens to be a player for the game, how they would do is gonna be as important to you as it is for them. That's the difference between DC and Marvel; DC rushed it and tossed everyone in, while Marvel took it slow.

[@monsieurtyrell9652]

@Tory Livingston You don't need to make 18 movies over the span of 10 years to have a movie with an interesting villain, good action scenes or a compelling story...

[@sulaymafrancis7619]

Tory Livingston well if you compared marvels first film to justice league or the first avengers film they are both better. I’ve been able to sit through a lot of films, but justice league was just unwatchable and they’ve actually done much better before. They just rushed it because they wanted to rival marvel which was a bad move on their part

[@Kate-he8ug]

First avenger: can make Chris Evans actually look believably skinny Justice League: can’t even cover up a moustache

[@anquanpham4287]

Thin Steve Rogers wasn't Chris Evans.

[@Kate-he8ug]

@An Gia they managed to make it believable. It was his face, on an actor's body.

[@mysunshines4you]

An Gia most of the time it was him, they’ve shrunk his body. Look for the movie behind the scenes for more info.

[@callummason6589]

They made Chris Evans look like a pre pubescent boy, that was a thing of nightmares.

[@linoserrato3357]

An Gia what so ever it was better than the mustache dumbass

[@yeppe9855]

Infinity stones: Ancient powerful relics that represent different elements of the universe. Motherboxes: Cubes when they are close together makes a bunch off weird pillars come out of the ground and makes everything dark and fire, lol. For the whole movie I was clueless to what they are, and what they would do. In Infinity War I was like “oh, he’s got the power stone- that means he’s powerful” and so on. To be fair I wanted to enjoy Justice League, but watching it made me feel stupid.

[@UTU49]

A "Motherbox" is one of the lamest "special objects" I've ever seen in an action/adventure film. Also it sounds vaguely sexual and incestuous. GROSS!! To be fair I ALSO wanted to enjoy Justice League, but watching it made me feel super sad... and bat sad.

[@UTU49]

Instead of "Motherboxes", I think it would have been cooler if they called them "Sisterpurses" or "Brotherpouches".

[@sebpaine9095]

@@UTU49 I cant stop thinking of a command block in minecraft when they mention motherboxes

[@xxhaxonxx8345]

@Shiny the plot of regular minecraft is better than justice league, and the plot is just "find a portal, get pearls and kill a dragon"

[@yungmuney5903]

@@xxhaxonxx8345 Even then there's much more to do after you kill the Dragon in the end

[@Helbore]

Marvel: Let's craft a ten-year plan to tell the biggest superhero story ever put on the big screen. Y'know, do what we did in the comics, but live action. DC (Warner): We want the money that Marvel is making. That's the problem, along with everyone else trying to jump on the shared-universe bandwagon. They're not doing it in order to craft a huge story, they're doing it because they've seen Marvel make tons of money doing it and want a piece of that pie. They're not willing to put in the time and effort to develop it slowly, because they want the big bucks now. Avengers was the big money-maker, so they want to skip straight to that one, ignoring the fact that is was the build-up that made Avengers successful. Its like someone looking at the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Oh look, Return of the King was showered with awards and made lots of money, let's find ourselves a cool fantasy series and skip straight to the last part. What, nobody liked our film? I don't get it?

[@xKingx16]

Exactly! But,The sad part is... DC COULD have "caught up" easily. and they botched it. I'm talking about BvS. At first ,People were rushing in to see freaking SUPERMAN and BATMAN on the big screen together for the 1st time. It was bad and word of mouth slowed it down. If it was actually good it would have done really well. All they had to do with setup for TWO CHARACTERS . TWO CHARACTERS

[@justinaguilar5255]

Well Marvel only did the movies as a way to make money... they were bankrupt. But yeah WB is just shitting on DC for the money. Also ROTK is the 🐐

[@megamage911]

Justin Aguilar I mean, ofc they're doing it for the money, they're a business, that's how businesses work, but at least Marvel were smart enough to actually do it properly. And as had been mentioned, and this is what I've been saying since BvS, DC seem much more focused on trying to catch up to where Marvel is now, than actually making a proper universe that the fans will get invested in. It's fucking sad when even die-hard DC fans have to admit that Marvel is actually doing it better. Hell, it kills ME that they're botching it like this, cuz I fucking love DC. I grew up with the Bruce Timm shows, and those were absolutely amazing, and they were technically one of the first versions of a shared universe like this, though I think the Marvel shows with X-men and Spiderman were a bit earlier, but my point still stands, they were able to create a proper and good universe back then. Hell, they've been crafting a great universe in their tv-shows with the Arrowverse for years now, so obviously somebody working at DC knows what they're doing, but for some reason they can't translate that into their movies, idk what the hell is going on! Sry for my ramblings, I'll cut it off here xD

[@G_-ue9bq]

Took the words right out of my mouth. Marvel gave us time to familiarize ourselves with the characters and we grew to love them. DC kinda just jumped straight into the team up films, shoe horning doomsday into batman v superman and killing off superman way too soon. They were desperately trying to catch up with marvel and that was their downfall.

[@Renkencen]

Helbore Heh, that last paragraph remind me of the fail Eragon movie! Also the same apply to the Universal "Dark Universe" film Mummy!

[@darthvader6533]

"Steppenwolf just wants three boxes, because thats just who he is apparently" *DC summed up in a nut shell*

[@skeletonwar4445]

Steppenwolf is actually the personification of Loot Boxes. His mother is the Goddess of Microtransactions. They're the absolute evil.

[@darthvader6533]

@@skeletonwar4445 , Hahahaha

[@wyvern2037]

@@skeletonwar4445 ur right, maybe his mom is very rich that he needs his mother just to buy awesome cosmetics in Overwatch and Destiny (lol i didn't see the JL movie, sry if i made mistakes in my comment)

[@trevorphilips9065]

Darth Vader How is that DC summed pretty stupid if you ask me

[@darthvader6533]

@@trevorphilips9065 No one asked you. Im riffing on DC because they dont know why they do half of what they do, thier story changes so erratically you cant follow it, and thier characters are shallower than my bank account

[@JensFleurackers]

Marvel really set up their universe, DC just mashed it together imo.

[@Lockn3s5]

Quinn Dang No, DC's comics absolutely translates to film but they aren't inherently dark. The problem is that each character has a big personality and are completely separate from each other. Batman is the dark brooding type, Superman is the hopeful ray of sunshine, Flash is the comic relief, Wonder Woman is the powerful combat expert, Aquaman is the stoic takes no bullshit guy, Cyborg is the tech support newbie. The way these characters interact with each other is what makes bringing them together interesting. Unfortunately DC just goes way too dark for everyone and then doesn't even capitalize on their differences. I honestly couldn't stand watching more than 10 minutes of JL before turning it off and I love these characters. It's the world building that's already been set up that makes these characters less appealing. It's the shortcut to a Justice League film when only Superman and Wonder Woman have had a movie to build up their characters. It's lazy work plain and simple. Marvel earned it's team up film and capitalized on it's characters. DC on the other hand just wants money and it shows. Justice League movie only after 1 Superman film where he's introduced to the world and a half assed sequel that focused more on Batman who's fucking older by the way so we have a brand new Superman and an aging Batman who haven't even developed their relationship yet but we're supposed to buy that they respect each other by the end of BvS when they still have no actual meaningful interactions with each other. Hell even Superman has yet to have meaningful interactions with anyone besides Louis yet we're supposed to believe he was some beacon of hope. Show don't tell. I was never shown how Superman was a beacon of hope seeing as how his first film took half of it's runtime to expose him to the world and it's sequel just glorified him immediately as though he's been doing it for years. Wonder Woman was an out of time film so it doesn't do much other than inform her character but also creates inconsistencies considering her arc in her solo film doesn't line up with her actions in BvS. There just is no consistency. WB just keeps running around trying every fucking idea but then gets in the way of the creative freedom of it's investment which ruins the original product. Suicide Squad was a shit film because they took a gamble on a company who exclusively edits movie trailer to cut the entire film and that absolutely shows because it's complete shit. Way to ruin the director's vision. Reshoots for JL changed the tone and direction of Snyder's cut which probably wasn't all that better but still one singular vision. Too many hands in the cookie jar. If you hire people for a job, LET THEM DO THEIR FUCKING JOBS!

[@Lockn3s5]

Quinn Dang Initially every character was pretty dark. Imagine what Synder's original cut would have been like. The lightheartedness only came in after Joss Wheadon came with reshoots. That initial statement I made was in relation to BvS where both title characters were practically no different. Both equally somber and brooding with no inherent differences between the two and no idealogical differences. Their conflict came down to hating each other for doing exactly what the other is doing. They are the same and are bitching to each other for doing things they both each do. It was fucking retarded to watch. Superman wasn't hopeful he was like tired and annoyed. Carrying the weight of the world that didn't appreciate him. Batman wasn't hopeful, carrying the weight of the world.... you get what I mean. The movie didn't capitalize on their differences and expected it's audience to just love that the two characters were in a movie together.

[@-Trauma.]

DC needs Dr. Manhattan. In the DCEU, they should just chock the creation of the DC Universe up to Dr. Manhattan, and introduce live action versions of the different universes. If they follow the comics out now, they'll do well.

[@summit1jlol165]

hi

[@Renuclous]

I love DC Comics but the DCEU Movies are just bad from a Cineastic standpoint. They are just bad movies. Full Stop. DC is chucked full of great characters and storylines, but time and time again the modern DC movies are rushed to death. They feel the need to pump out something to compete with the "epicness" of an avengers when they haven't spent a decade establishing every single character with an own trilogy. Imagine a DCEU based on the Dark knight trilogy. 1 dark Superman movie and then a BvS with Christian Bale Batman returning to Gotham. Then maybe first an Aquaman movie. THen a Wonderwoman. Then another Superman movie. And THEN you let them team up and introduce one or two new ones like Flash. But instead they base their Universe on one really shitty Supermanmovie (seriously, if you can't see that MoS was just plain shit then i don't even know what we are talking about here) and then cram down a Justice League with characters we haven't seen before without any emotional attachment. Thats the difference. When people went to see Infinity War, they spent time with a Tony Stark they have known for over a fucking decade and have seen in a dozend movies. You care about a character like that. You don't give a flying fuck about "Cyborg", that robo-dude you learned about 6 mintues ago who sticks his CGI hand into some CGI box. Great story ark...

[@andrea_thesciencebtz8436]

Marvel:Perfectly Marinated,Perfectly cooked,Wonderful texture.Perfection! DC:It's Raw you Prick!

[@theworld9744]

Copied the homework changed the homework passed the homework credit

[@sephandremanticore5438]

Gordon Ramsay about DC: it's shit, ya donkey!

[@tigerchillyable]

Its RAWWW!!

[@edwardteach3000]

Well, I guess there are Klingons among us then. Because some people actually liked this movie.

[@alphareturns5988]

Cough cough the snyder cut

[@eligr8523]

The scene where Thanos is dragging Gamora to the abyss and she's slapping his arm refusing to believe he loves her is the most heart wrenching scene and it makes infinity war light years ahead of any DC movie. I just simply could not care less about any DC character. That's why they've failed.

[@Vienna3080]

The reason infinity war was light years better was because MCU producers have been developing this story for a decade While Justice Yeet was just 2 hours of shit with no build up

[@xiiscari317]

*_-J U S T I C E Y E E T-_*

[@xiiscari317]

@@RhinoTTH justice leg

[@neptunes-moons-sao2538]

Marvel announces infinity war Dc : of shit we need to throw something together so we can be equal SOMEONE GET PHOTOSHOP AND MS PAINT

[@evansfj]

AVENGERS took 10 years and 15 movies before infinity war. Properly introduced every character. And slowly built it's roster, and the big reason. THEY FOLLOWED THE COMIC BOOK SOURCE MATERIAL! (Mostly) Justice League was a rushed project with 3 independent movies before it. Wonder Woman was really the only good one. Man of steel was decent, BVS was trash. Plus, no Hawkgirl, Green Lantern, or Martian Manhunter. The real real villians of the DCEU are the writers, and the CGI team.

[@jorgeddls]

Martian manhunter is my favorite dc character since I was like 4, i hate that DC removed him from being a foundator of the league :c

[@bixybarnes8797]

19* movies

[@aasishsharma4342]

They build up for 10 yrs it's coz their characters didn't have strong story line and a hand full of comic book reference and majorly many of the charecters are ripped of from dc, DC comics have perfect and strong story line that's why just the animated series was so good which followed the comic books accurately.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

Zach Synder is the main villain for the DCEU. But good thing Aquaman was already a hit as well as Shazam. I think DCEU improved itself nowadays. It's to have movies without Zach Synder and the writers.

[@twinzzlers]

@@aasishsharma4342 Lmao, so you're saying most Marvel characters a ripped off from DC. So how is Iron Man, Hulk, Thor or Captain America rip offs? And that is just naming a few.

[@NornAArnBard]

We see the big thing Drax is sitting next to in the establishing shot before Quill and Gamora have their big scene. If Drax really was standing there for an hour, it's canon that he really was imperceptible, even by an omniscient magical eye.

[@David-ro9cb]

What the f¥ck

[@NornAArnBard]

@@David-ro9cb There is an establishing shot that shows the whole room before Quill and Gamora have their convo. We see the whole room in a wide shot. Drax is not visible. Either he silently shuffled in mid-convo, or he actually has been standing there for an hour like he says. He only became visible when he ate the nut and they heard him. At that point he was no longer invisible, because they knew he was there, but they couldn't see him until they hear that he was there.

[@scotcheggable]

He's our secret weapon against the watchers

[@matthewpinon8515]

8:24 Your summary of Justice League was hilariously spot-on.

[@Iceman-135]

to see it put so simply made me realise that was the entire plot of the movie. cant believe i didnt see it that way haha

[@lonestarr1490]

@@Iceman-135 Most plots could be put that simple. That alone is not the problem. In fact: if you can't put the plot of your movie that simple, _then_ you have a problem. The problem of the plot of JL is, that if put that simple, it doesn't make any sense at all.

[@cannedcereal2165]

No this version had a more realistic mouth on Superman

[@banthedrays]

yes, but what IS that theme song playing in 8bit?

[@banthedrays]

answering my own question kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIDEk4SQfblnp7s

[@fleetadmiralauto6506]

When Thanos snapped, all of DC ceased to exist.

[@riquepr]

😂😂😂

[@visioncr5132]

The aquaman lives

[@UTU49]

FAA. Touche.

[@aurexte4701]

Suddenly liking Thanos

[@shreyas1475]

meh inifinity stones dont work outside of your marvel universe on the other DC's darkseid powers are universal.If his real form enters thanos and marvel will start to collapse so shut up fanboys

[@saintpsu]

I think Tony went to face Thanos head on because he want to limit possible damage to the planet, not because he still has some beef with Capt.

[@stillwatersrundeep001]

PRECISELY THIS

[@CalebJMartin]

Also, specifically because, as he mentions, 'Thanos has been inside [his] head for six years.' He's tired of waiting. Tired of being played for a fool. He's going to face him head-on, whatever the consequences may be.

[@danix454]

But the beautiful thing is both theories may be right, or wrong. That's how well he's written and how beautiful the history for him has been created. It may be a little bit of Capt, or Thanos is in his head, or none of that. Maybe it's his ego and the fact that he thinks he can somehow handle this, or minimize the damage. He's a complex character and maybe anyone's theories could've been the reason. He's THAT WELL WRITTEN!

[@BrianWilliams-rl9hw]

No its because he has been haunted by Thanos since the First Avengers. They literally say it in the movie.

[@MessyGamer616]

Y'all are stupid. He literally spells it out saying "I dont know if its better to fight him on our turf of his but if we hit him there he wont be expecting it." dude's tryna get a surprise attack at purple 4head man and it nearly works

[@3Guys1Video]

How to stop a huge villain "smack him with a fork" lol

[@angelvasquez3767]

Or pull out a butter knife on him lmao

[@StormMcBeth]

From a Marvel reader to DC readers. I'm sorry for the way WB is treating these characters. They deserve better. You deserve better.

[@therealrickytan]

Infinity War > Justice League for many reasons, but here's one that stuck out to me: Thor = is the strongest Avenger, and is a GOD. But has NEVER been shown actually defeating any of the other members of the group. Iron Man...Captain America...Hulk... all have held there own. In doing that, Thor doesnt make ANYBODY on the team seem useless or far inferior, despite being a god. Also, the beginning of Infinity War shows Thor DEFEATED........ Thor does show up to save the day but at the very last minute... but not on his own strength, he needed a new weapon... and he fails! Superman = Is clearly the strongest of the JL. and has been shown to be just as fast as the Flash, strong enough to defeat the entire team in less than a minute of being resurrected, and throughout the movie depicted by Batman and the group as the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT person needed to defeat the villain. AND he does it barely breaking a sweat without any help, and showed no growth as a character at all!! so... whats the point in having a team? basically, Thor is a supporting character and is not the only reason the team fails or wins. He just plays a part. On the other hand, all is lost with the Justice League without Superman. THAT is a huge writing error.

[@chrisb6049]

Hulk is the strongest sorry, but I do agree with what your saying superman is to me the most boring hero there is because he is perfect. No flaws which is ridiculous to me and he doesn't need anybody else so that's why his movies suck.

[@jaysmediasolutions3105]

@@chrisb6049 Superman's flaws = Martha, Lois Lane and Kryptonite

[@cd4playa1245]

therealrickytan no, that's where you're wrong: Superman's superiority to Steppenwolf wasn't a writing error, it was spot on. Life isn't always fair, and sometimes the bad guys get their asses kicked. The Justice league still saved some other people or held their own while Superman saved people's lives, which if you think about it, is all everyone but Thor and Hulk did in Avengers 1. I think Thor could have eventually defeated that entire army and Loki, but NY would have been nuked. Superman is the most powerful super hero ever written. That's his thing, and that's why people love him. I would have been pissed if they made superman a bitch.

[@cd4playa1245]

The Scarecrow1941 very good points. Hulk and Vision were basically completely written out of the story in Infinity War. But when superman bitch slapped Steppenwolf I almost shit myself.

[@kkokay4]

This is my biggest complaint about JL as well. Why call it justice league when its literally just operation revive superman so he can do everything while you guys watch and are useless. Its supposed to be a teamup movie but the team is useless. Also superman couldve easily won it before the team even got there but he was dicking around with lois while the world was being conquered. Basically superman was way too op in this and made the team feel useless, which makes the movie feel pointless since it was based around the team the entire movie. It just maks the viewer wonder wtf was the point of this mess. In the animated shows superman isnt depicted this way, in the other depictions of the justice league superman isnt just completely carrying the team, the team is working together to save the day, and thats what this movie misses entirely. and thats not including the countless other blunders. Its just wrong in so many ways.

[@Kung-Fu-Kenny]

Thanos in Fortnite dancing was a perfect clip and used in the funniest possible manner. I love it. Had me waab....

[@john-olivierlukama1548]

I too would be freaked out if what I saw in my head for the last 6 years was thanos dancing fortnite dances.

[@jacobroberts1696]

Was not a fan of it

[@b_h_fs2307]

RIP OG Fortnite

[@probium2832]

Question... How did Tony Stark envision Fortnite in 2012?

[@b_h_fs2307]

probium Fortnite has been existing since 2011, so-

[@thectbchannel]

Because Marvel Studios put the right people in charge of making their comic book movies and Warner Bros. didn't. It's that simple...

[@achyuththouta6957]

No it's cuz you don't understand Snyder vision. He is the best director ever

[@alittlebitofeverything9269]

@@achyuththouta6957 let mr guess.. Are you gonna say that marvel is childish or that disney bought critics opinions?

[@achyuththouta6957]

@@alittlebitofeverything9269 No. I actually like Marvel movies although I really hated Thor Ragnarok

[@ironcap8913]

@@achyuththouta6957 You must be joking.

[@MrND1945]

@@achyuththouta6957 it honestly made me laugh hearing you say snyder is the best ditector

[@fruitfarmfactory7901]

Dude, Justice League couldn't even beat the FIRST Avengers movie. Comparing to Infinity is like comparing number 0 to.......infinite.

[@XDLugia]

Even the first Avengers? Dude, the first Avengers was amazing. It couldn't even beat the likes of Iron Man 2 and Thor 2.

[@HeyIntegrity]

Iron Man 2 and Thor 2 were garbage. Winter Soldier was the only good movie that came from that era

[@yeongvinsheng7639]

@@HeyIntegrity in iron man 2 Anthony stark acted like a jerk for most of the film while in Thor 2 it feels more like Loki's the main star.

[@sikkableeat5614]

+S Khan They weren't garbage, just not as good as the others. And they were better than any of the DCEU movies except WW.

[@TooCooFoYou]

S Khan If you're talking about phase 2, then you forgot Guardians of the Galaxy, Age of Ultron, and Ant-Man.

[@Bakamatsu-GojiFanArchive]

Everyone talks about Thanos but let's take a moment to talk about Ebony Maw. Not as good as Thanos but could potentially be a lead villain if given the chance. Every scene with him was probably my favorite parts of the movie. His voice, his powers, his personality. Other than Thanos he was a breath of fresh air

[@timy9197]

He was a seriously underrated villain and a genuine threat. He also seemed to have the most personality out of the whole black order.

[@MelkofficialYT]

True

[@rebecca4680]

Ikr? I loved whenever he talked. He’s all matter of fact and like “rejoice for the great Thanos has saved you” but everyone’s dying or something. Can’t help but wonder, how did he become such a loyal, brainwashed minion.

[@silenthero2795]

If you've been labeled as "Squidward" then I don't think you could recover from that! Badass powers though. He's the only one in the Black Order who isn't a grunt who attacks in close range.

[@murciadoxial8056]

His name should be Ebony Ivory tho :3

[@MrAte-uo7yo]

Maybe it's unfair to compare Justice League to Infinity War, maybe we should compare it to the first Avengers movie.(Though it probably still won't be much competition)

[@Aphri_d]

i want to seea video about that

[@homiefromfl]

Avengers 1 is considered one of the best comic book-based movies ever. Not even Infinity War has that sort of recognition yet.

[@Nixie-O]

HEK NO Twighlight is better than JL

[@E3ECO]

Good point.

[@MrAte-uo7yo]

I mostly just meant that both movies are the first "everyone assemble" movies in their universes while Infinity War as the third and the climax to MCU thus far.

[@DonsStudios]

The 2.7 thousand dislikes is the DC Fandom being jealous of Marvel's characters, storytelling, and most importantly their C.G.I skills. Not to mention the Stan Lee cameo. R.I.P "Excelsior"

[@DonsStudios]

@@jaybeagle8726 Fight me bitch

[@ij1372]

No it's bc of all the unfunny parts interrupting the video lol

[@alexarellano8354]

Omar Flores no it's just how cringe this guy is

[@solaceboy]

I'm sorry, but some of the effects in the MCU are bad.

[@lordvoldemort1061]

@@solaceboy yeah right...stop joking dc bitchboy

[@optillian4182]

One thing I've learned from this video: Thanos and Iron Man have nightmares about eachother.

[@murciadoxial8056]

tony stark looked like he was gonna shit his pants when thanos said his name outloud, that moment was pretty intense

[@drakkonem]

Someone knows the song that plays when thanos is having his nightmare with Iron Man dancing?

[@michaelcraff]

.Lol! 😂

[@christaylor7916]

hahahhaaha

[@spartan003]

its funny how marvel can take nobodies like guardians of the galaxy and make movies that are more popular than superman

[@MG_Spy]

It's funny how I felt more for Yondu's death than Superman's

[@CrankscornerYT]

😭 Yandu's death hits right in the feels, where as Superman's just feels like a forced way to get some emotion from the audience

[@masterpenguin8472]

Also, Superman's death happened way too early in the DCEU!

[@trevorphilips9065]

Master Penguin Same with Spider-Man and Doctor Strange Black Panther Mantis yet they also come back.

[@dariusswinney3417]

@@trevorphilips9065 Except people actually care about their deaths unlike Superman.

[@TheJanvicgwaps]

And Thanos's CGI is better than Steppenwolf...

[@billb.5183]

It's SO MUCH BETTER. It's not even close. Steppenwolf looked like he jumped right out of a Playstation game.

[@nathanspot7877]

looks like one of the training dummies in Darksouls lol

[@nathanspot7877]

im talking about stephy "my mother calls me" wolf

[@trevorphilips9065]

Vol deMort No shit.

[@CabezasDePescado]

that is not a valid criticism, the CGI was rushed because they had pointless reshoots to change a lot of the movie

[@themoviebaker]

Infinity War felt like it mattered and Justice League felt like a filler episode in a TV series.

[@trevorphilips9065]

Ian R. Baker How did they matter they're just movies.

[@themoviebaker]

@@trevorphilips9065 And as movies Infinity War actually progresses the MCU while Justice League simply feels like it filled the "Team-Up" slot in cinematic universes.

[@trevorphilips9065]

Ian R. Baker Well why compare 10 year build up to 5th movie of the DCEU and it pretty much set up the team.

[@themoviebaker]

@@trevorphilips9065 Its just an opinion

[@trevorphilips9065]

Ian R. Baker Is it well okedokke

[@terminalmontageness6292]

Infinity War: mom's homemade cooking Justice League: fast food

[@AlrycaAeveaHexendias]

Even I can sit through an entire fast food meal. Garbage is still the closer analogy.

[@corumhayes8178]

The ultimate failing of Justice League is it shows Superman could handle the entire situation single handedly and calls into question why they would need the Justice League at all thus negating the any reason to make more movies.

[@trevorphilips9065]

corum hayes Remember when Batman defeated Superman so really no Superman can't save the world by himself.

[@corumhayes8178]

Batman defeating Superman has nothing to do with whether or not Superman can save the by himself. As proof, please name an enemy in Justice League that is even challenging to Superman.

[@michaelwolf8690]

Trevor Philips - Superman being Superman has always been a huge issue Justice League stories have ignored or contrived away. Hell even Wonder Woman seems to not need the Justice League very much.

[@imwrongyoureright.3890]

@@trevorphilips9065 superman didn't go all out though.

[@trevorphilips9065]

corum hayes Darkseid Braniac Lex Luthor Doomsday Zod Joker could turn him into a killer or usr kryptonite like in the show

[@shangcowmoosic1993]

14:23 Marvel no longer have that consistent vision, because Vision is dead...

[@skeletonwar4445]

They still do. It's just one consistent dead vision now.

[@TheSaxAppeal]

@Francisco A G No, Vision isn't Jarvis. Vision is a combination of Jarvis, Ultron, Mind Stone, as well as Tony Stark and Hulk's collective consciousness

[@kasakro9829]

*laughing*

[@gamersfun98]

*Crying and laughing*

[@arishkumar]

But they do consistently come back

[@namitsachdeva7919]

The best line I've heard about dc and marvel is that " Dc focuses on the super while marvel focuses on the hero" And thats why marvel is successful and worth experiencing

[@atallus_]

Honestly, I'd forgotten who the villain in Justice League was. I basically just blocked all memories of the movie from my mind.

[@trevorphilips9065]

Yet you came here to talk about it

[@plasticnoodles9678]

It was CGI

[@kira-dk2mx]

That's what pissed me off, they could've easily had Darkseid as the main villain, but instead it's some dude who I've never heard about whose related to Darkseid. Who the fuck is Steppenwolf?

[@nutroll1622]

kira64 He‘s Darkseid‘s servant I think.

[@ftlbattosai9470]

Good for you you obviously have terrible taste in movies.

[@IndecisiveJR]

In my opinion, Justice League didn’t seem like it did anything new. It felt like a marvel film from phase 1 but without the effort or charm. Infinity War even though it shares similarities to Avengers and Age of Ultron, it did enough to differentiate itself from any other Marvel film and doesn’t feel like every superhero team up movie like X-men apocalypse.

[@trevorphilips9065]

Spider-man Well no shit its like Phase 1 film because it is its not a 10 year build up like Infinity war.

[@trevorphilips9065]

Shidofied What the fuck is an IP .

[@martianmanhunter37]

"IP" stands for "Intellectual Property".

[@royk7712]

internet protocol

[@raheem201231]

martianmanhunter37 he’s not dead, just evolving

[@thedon7082]

justice league is the most disappointing thing since my son.

[@sheetalprakash9827]

Theman Joe Damn.

[@cannabishornliu6119]

And then came The Last Jedi! :-)

[@mandutumuch4480]

@@sheetalprakash9827 dad?

[@yeetbro9561]

Dark...

[@thedon7082]

Wahid Rashidov dude it's a RLM joke. I don't even have a son.

[@russellward4624]

Big difference is the comedic moments. In Marvel the jokes are more subtle & are seamless to the story. And are actually funny. DC follows the Star Wars comedy theme. Simplistic & silly on the level of fart jokes for three year olds. The choice of actors is far superior as well. Marvel gets good actors that are baby faces while DC just goes for baby faces that can’t act.

[@jackwhitetron]

Not all sw movies. Just the garbage put out by Disney.

[@BrianWilliams-rl9hw]

Oscar Winning Ben Affleck cant Act? Jeremy Irons cant Act? We are talking about 21 Movies vs 4. You do realize that don't you?

[@ProdKill_switch]

My grandmas dusty butthole can shit out better jokes than marvel. Marvels is just cringy and kiddish af

[@justascarecrow6988]

Difference is in the characters. Most of the MCU cast can laugh, has gotten their demons behind them, it´s in character to kid. Iron Man is never seen NOT being sarcastic, the guy always jokes, established and canonized. Spidey is a teenager with no big trauma behind, joking is to be expected. Captain America has few quips, but more restrained as he grew more grumpy. Look at the DCEU, Batman should not EVER joke in the position he is. (the dude is on murderous rampages against crime, sure he can laugh?) Superman is seen to either be thinking, sobbing or fighting, not much fun there. (good thing he didnt kid around) Cyborg is a depressed Teen, turned into a cyborg by a space Lunchbox. (He never was too happy) DCs cast should stay more dark and gritty, instead of being forced to joke and fool around, it´s just out of character and stupid if they are.

[@harrylane4]

@@ProdKill_switch edgy and mature are two different things my dude

[@ce666isa3]

Best scene ever ... I've master the ability of standing so incredibly still that I become invisible

[@mechanimal12]

Infinity war had a great villan, JL had that monstorsity which was quite shallow. In order to have a great superhero movie you need great villain....thats why Batman trilogy was so good.

[@footclann0043]

Exactly. All of 3 Nolan Batman films had a great villain(s). Ras al guhl, Scarecrow, Joker, and Bane! All of them did well in their films and all are beloved! As much as I love Marvel "Superheros", I will always, ALWAYS get more pleasure into a great villain! Darth Vader is my favorite Villain of all time. You know why? Funny thing is, I really dont need to explain why.

[@trevorphilips9065]

FootClann 004 Heinz Doofenshmirtz is my favorite Villain saddest backstory ever.

[@camoking3605]

Why is that? Is it the theme? It's the theme. It's his company jingle isn't it?

[@trevorphilips9065]

Camo King360 Yeah but its also the dramatic music that plays when he talks about his plan and he has the most saddest backstory ever I mean his parents didn't even show up for his birth.

[@applpie3090]

People tend to forget Two-Face in the TDK trilogy since Heath's Joker was so awesome. Everything from the burnt look to the disjointed view of justice through his coin flips made Harvey's transformation so great.

[@sharkwar4284]

“White Cyborg doesn’t exist, he can’t hurt you” White Cyborg: 8:27

[@dszk1990]

One thing i don't see mentioned a lot, and it's one out of many reasons why Justice League freaking sucks balls, is that in Infinity War there's hope. The entire movie you feel that the heroes can actually beat Thanos. Sure, maybe you think it should be clear they can't beat him once you put some thought into it; sure, he is indeed _very_ strong and each stone makes him even stronger; but it never _FEELS_ like he is invincible. He gets a new stone, we think "oh well, it's done now" and then we see the heroes actually making an effort that looks to be working. On the other hand, in Justice League, it is established - way too early, by the way - that nobody besides Superman has a slight chance against Steppenwolf. Every time Steppenwolf is on screen - except for the scenes after Superman shows up, obviously - he's kicking _EVERYBODY_ 's ass with ease. He's not even struggling. They can't "make him bleed", they can't make him have to change his plans on the spot, nothing of that. He just moves them out of his way like pebbles and does his thing. Which makes it even worse once Superman gets his shot at Steppenwolf and we see that it's a fucking breeze. He can deal with the big baddie with a single hand. God, that movie fucking sucks...

[@elevate07]

Which ends up doubly terrible because this is supposed to be a team movie. In a team up movie you need Superman to solve all your problems for you. Just why?

[@dszk1990]

The scene where - after abandoning the battle - he appears lifting a whole building full of people just to show the size of his dick to poor boy Flash who's so happy for saving a family - that shit made me shout "are you kidding me?" so loud in the theaters, i almost got up and left right then and there.

[@trevorphilips9065]

elevate07 And then Captain Marvel shows up and wrecks Thanos then the MCU fans are like "It was amazing and such a masterpiece how Captain Marvel defeated Thanos in a second"

[@elevate07]

@@trevorphilips9065 heaven forbid. No seriously that kind of ending would ruin the entire MCU forever

[@trevorphilips9065]

elevate07 Well I don't think the Russos would do something that stupid

[@OkMakuTree]

Oh my, your Batman-voiced Justice League summary was glorious XD

[@PKMN37]

Infinity War: A well-planned movie that knew what it wanted to do. Justice League: Too many cooks in the kitchen.

[@masonr.powers7196]

This is how I would have built a DC universe: * Batman Begins * Superman * Wonder Woman * The Dark Knight * The Flash * Aquaman * Cyborg * Green Lantern * Justice League * Superman II * Shazam! * Green Arrow * Flashpoint (AU) * The Dark Knight Rises * Suicide Squad * Wonder Woman II * Joker * Green Lantern II *Justice League II * OPERATION: Red Tornado * Teen Titans * Aquaman II * Watchmen (AU) * Justice League III: Crisis on Infinite Earths * Green Lantern: Blackest Night * Batman: The Dark Knight Returns * All-Star Superman Eh?

[@pieinyourfacestreax5138]

*WB wants to know your location*

[@Aquita17]

THANK YOU

[@matthewheywood8532]

That would have been awesome and maybe the greatest string of superhero movies ever. Why did you do that now I am depressed seeing what we were robbed of

[@superjackster0165]

Here’s the order that should’ve released the DCEU movies after Man of Steel. 1. Man of Steel 2. The Batman 3. A proper Man of Steel sequel 4. Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice 5. Wonder Woman 6. Aquaman 7. The Flash 8. Cyborg 9. Justice League.

[@julienfoussereau937]

Batman vs Superman ?

[@dowottboy5889]

these movies should never be compared, one is a master piece with excellent writing and awesome CGI, the other looks like it was made in 2002

[@korikorikori]

Dowott boy 1940

[@Lucas-zk2vy]

There are movies made in 2002 that were much better Matrix Pirates of the Caribbean Spider-man X-men 1 and 2

[@casper6405]

Dowott boy you think that infinity war is a masterpiece The Godfather is a masterpiece The dark knight is a masterpiece JP is a masterpiece Infinity war was a masterpiece of shit And yes JL was pretty much even worse then infinity war but infinity war a masterpiece Yeah no No no no no no And okay it's your opinion so you know I won't say you're an idiot or something cause everyone has a different taste But hey this is my opinion

[@casper6405]

Saban Saban finally someone who gets it The MCU and DCEU are both garbage

[@dowottboy5889]

Casper I disagree, only the DCEU is

[@vitor900000]

What Infinity War have that Justice League dont? Good villain Good plot Good acting Good CGI Good action scenes

[@acommonmanwithrandomwords8373]

Vitor Leão well said. But if that’s true, and justice league doesn’t have any of those 5 things, then what is the remaining 2 hours of film content that hit the theaters? Lol

[@thethinkersson8703]

@@acommonmanwithrandomwords8373 shit content ofcourse

[@CabezasDePescado]

You can thank the pointless reshoots for all of that, more than 50% of what we saw was from reshoots.

[@harryborded5294]

@@thethinkersson8703 Marvel fanboy spotted

[@jeremywalsh519]

I actually think infinity war works in spite of its plot, completely nonsensical. Just my opinion.

[@CaptainPikeachu]

What DC really needs is that consistent vision, they need a Kevin Feige, and not just someone to run things but someone actually given the power to decide. Not someone to put a name and then studio still tries to interfere. Look at how Disney runs Marvel, sure they own Marvel and they got rules, but Kevin Feige is still left alone with considerable power to build his vision with his filmmakers. And even when the films broach different genres and subjects, you have one guy who is moving all the films into position. It’s long term planning, consistent vision, and a studio that’s willing to step back and let their people do their work. WB has consistently been meddling with DC properties and having panic attacks every five seconds. They’re so busy playing catch up that they don’t even have a plan or a tactic and even if someone did, they never follow through on it because they freak out and change their minds at the drop of a hat. Every time someone didn’t like a DC film, WB and DC makes some swerve to try something else, whereas Marvel has had their fair share of hiccups along the way yet they stick to their vision. They aren’t letting public perception color what they want to tell and they follow their roadmap while gently course correcting with each film. You don’t see Marvel panicking and throwing up all their plans all over and freak out. Marvel is calm and collected, they keep their heads down and do their work. They built this universe step by step, brick by brick, there was a good foundation of films to hold the world together. DC was too busy trying to please everyone to stick to their vision and build their universe step by step to create that foundation. You can’t make a house if the foundation is shaky. DC and WB is having the same problems that all these modern cinematic universes are having and why they’re all failing, because the mentality is all wrong and the tactics are all wrong. Yes everyone wants a cinematic universe but don’t announce 24 films ahead when you haven’t even set a foundation. Focus on the one movie out of the gate and make it good and if that works, then announce the next one and the next and then slowly build the universe. Kevin Feige literally gave the most important advice for creating a sustaining film universe, which no one seems to be taking to heart, focus on that one movie and make that good, the rest will come later. Marvel did not come into this all “we’re gonna do 20 films and infinity war woo”, no they started with Iron Man and it was all about let’s make this movie work and we can think of the rest later. Building a universe was not the center point of Iron Man, the story of Iron Man itself was the focus, anything else is icing on the cake. Marvel has laid out the ways to do it right, but everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too that no one is willing to be patient and wait and earn that payoff

[@trevorphilips9065]

BetaArtemis Well they're making the same amount of money as MCU PHASE 1

[@silenthero2795]

They did. They put Zack Synder at the helm. When it slowly showed that Snyder wasn't going to be the next Kevin Feige with how he handled Man of Steel and BvS, WB smashed the panic button and intervened like hell in the next movies and thought they're doing the right thing. Turns out that both Snyder and WB don't know what the hell they are doing and it's too freaking late to apply bandages when you're having Stage 3 cancer.

[@deproissant]

Objectively, that's not bad. But try putting things into context though,, doesn't that sound concerning to you? Bear in mind MCU started with basically nobodies. No non-purists knew a single fuck about Tony Stark or Steve Rogers before Phase 1 began, but they still managed to make so much. Whereas Warner Brothers started with literally the most famous superheroes in the history of mankind yet they can't surpass that?

[@ronaldoindama2668]

Jephthah San Pedro No the difference is Snyder had a plan, WB wanted money and apparently everyone has to be like Marvel. Fuck that I want variety, I want something unexpected and I finally got it MOS and BvS. But bitch made critics, people who clearly only like the mcu ,to the point they keep saying the x men should go back to the mcu even though the franchise is cool the same with venom and finally bitch made, back bone lacking WB who succumbs to these people.

[@rmsgrey]

Snyder had a plan; WB wanted money and started intervening the moment feedback came in for Man of Steel - I still don't think Snyder has what it takes to helm a franchise like this - the man can't tell a story in a single movie, let alone spread across multiple movies - but it's telling that the DCEU's big success story is the movie that had least studio meddling...

[@TrancezFreak]

Thanos + Josh Brolin combination made me want to watch 18 Marvel movies right before the Endgame premiere and became a fan of the MCU which I thought would never happen as I actually thought that the movies are dumb and way out of my taste for cinema. Thank you Thanos :D

[@aidann6045]

Remember when they said Justice a league would kill Marvel and it was top in trending for a bit. *R e m e m b e r.*

[@trevorphilips9065]

Mesh Beautiful No one ever said that

[@jake27990]

@TrevorPhilips Yeah they did, first before BvS was released, then again before Justice League was released. Blew up in their faces both times.

[@trevorphilips9065]

Hitmonkey But its phase 1 of the DCEU and guess what its making the same amount of money as the phase 1 of the MCU

[@the_dropbear4392]

@@trevorphilips9065 Exept it's not

[@gadielgonzalez2755]

No I don't remember

[@zaidanahnaf9431]

Now that the Snyder cut is out we can finally understand the characters' motivations

[@Cresc3n1]

Yet the core problems remain such as why do you need the league when it only takes superman alone and rest of them are useless anyway

[@zaidanahnaf9431]

@@Cresc3n1 No, the core problem is you haven't watched the movie yet but you act like you have

[@Cresc3n1]

@@zaidanahnaf9431 lmao I have, and it's still all about those damn mother boxes

[@zaidanahnaf9431]

@@Cresc3n1 Then how come you don't know about the Flash scene?

[@Cresc3n1]

@@zaidanahnaf9431 it doesnt change anything,

[@Nickxis]

Funny thing is that I have not seen Justice League yet and I have no need to do so.

[@drbeavis4211]

I saw it a couple weeks ago for the first time. It's the pinnacle of mediocrity. Forgettable, boring, vanilla...just basic ass bullshit. I can't say it was bad per se but damn sure can't say its good either.

[@christaylor7916]

it really is a waste of time going to see it. Like it's a legit waste of time...

[@eleethtahgra7182]

*cough*torrent*cough*. I regret my wasted bandwidth....

[@sansintierra]

Another thing to point out is Marvel had many more movies to set up the character arcs and build towards this final confrontation, even when they weren't explicitly doing so (and probably didn't know whether they'd be able to pull it off). This makes the viewer investing more into each of the heroes, and also creates consistency. More round characters, developed and believable goals and stakes. I think JL got hurt from the lack of planning and editorial vision of the DCU. Their origin stories were so dissimilar in tone and theme, that even if the execution had been on par (DC cgi still feels cheap to me) Marvel was years ahead to create a memorable crossover event because of that consistency and character development.

[@meepy546]

Poor Tony six years of dancing thanos

[@064razor]

Funny how they're both tormented by each other's horrible dancing.

[@samshow8462]

@@064razor no wonder they want to game-end each other.

[@spacewolfblackmane19]

I bet in one of the time lines Quill tried to challenge Thanos to a dance off, but Toney had to explain to him that Thanos was actually an amazing dancer

[@interycreeper1152]

@@spacewolfblackmane19 lol

[@markcobuzzi826]

If that’s what the image of Thanos’ dance moves did to Tony Stark, imagine if Ronan the Accuser actually managed to challenge Thanos with the Power Stone, only to be greeted with that.

[@erzan]

Loved Justice League/League Unlimited. Loved the Dark Knight Trilogy. Loved Smallville. *HATE!* the DCEU.

[@danielmelendez3546]

erzan MoS is better than many MCU movies in my opinion. BvS though I enjoyed it, I can see why people didn’t like it so much. They rest, failures in a nutshell.

[@vumazwesiziba4103]

damn we need a smallville remake

[@iranoutofnames6444]

no we don't, i don't think they'll make it work

[@erzan]

@Amy J. Delevingne In my head I count the Animated Superman and Batman cartoons with Justice League/League Unlimited.

[@trevorphilips9065]

Love the MCU and DCEU.

[@amateurishauthor2202]

My two cents: Infinity war was focused more on Thanos than the heroes, and I was fine with it. I already knew who the heroes were due to prior films (My family owns most of them) So I didn't need an exposition dump about them. I honestly can't remember anything about Steppen wolf or any of the JL other than (Spoiler for Man of Steel) Super man kills Zan, Zon? dunno. I knew who the main cast were, not the villain, the part of the film that we're supposed to be afraid of. What did Steppen wolf want? domination? (I forget) let me just roll my eyes for that cliche. What did Thanos want? Spoiler for Infinity War. Thanos believed that by killing half of the universe he could save the other half, and saw it work on a smaller scale on just a single world. I can see that line of logic and it terrifies me. Sacrifice the few for the needs of the many. It's wrong but it can seem so right at times. Thanos scares me, not because he's so powerful, but because his motives scare me. If someone truly believes that what they do is right, there is no redemption as they're not necessarily evil, there is no convincing him as he already believes that he's in the right and has already deemed that the current process doesn't work anymore or will end in suffering and failure. Thanos was even willing to sacrifice his adopted daughter, it brought tears to his eyes and the movie focused on it in a very believable way. I will be remembering Thanos for a long time. Steppen wolf I will not

[@stripe1919ify]

Yea he actually was gonna even include himself because he believed his purpose to be right by so much he would put his own life up just to save the plan and make it complete .Steppen i never heard anywhere before and has crappy motivation.

[@antonthemanton3065]

Bravo.... you describe Thantos so elegantly.

[@onionwarrior7447]

Another point to the MCU is how REALISTIC Thanos is, especially with the current political and economic climates all around the world. What Thanos is doing may seem crazy in theory, but the core of his actions are actually something happening, right this moment, in real life. There are actual powerful figures in OUR world hurting countless, faceless innocent people, not because they’re evil, but because they genuinely think they’re doing what’s best for the majority. For Thanos and for these-who-must-not-be-named, what would’ve otherwise just been the ramblings of a mad man became a real threat because they have the power and resources to put actions to word. Meanwhile-how many real life people ramble about out-and-out world destruction anyway?

[@basteala525]

That's what I love about Thanos as a villain. People can understand his goal, or to their horror, even agree with it. Thanos isn''t a villain of a story because of his end goal--but the villain because the means he is willing to take puts him at odds with the heroes. It also poses a complicated question to us viewers. Life is precious: But to what end?

[@TheFikri136]

Yeah, you're right.. Thanos is actually the protagonist in Infinity War, either you realize it or not.

[@HondaAccordProductions]

The D.C. Villain reminds me of the beast from beauty and the beast live action edition

[@foop2954]

At least the beast doesn't look like plastic

[@HondaAccordProductions]

Lol😂

[@HondaAccordProductions]

True foop, very true.....

[@danceboyish]

The one thing i hate the most about JL is that they don't give each character a chance to show their power some epic memorable moments. Aquaman it felt like there was no reason for him to be there at all, he didn't do anything.

[@antonyogwo8948]

I didnt see Hulk do anything much in Infinity Wars, but he was innit

[@danceboyish]

Antony Ogwo well the difference is that we have seen the hulk in two other movies so we know what hes capable off. Everyone was excited to see Aquaman for the first time in a movie but he didn't do anything you tink ppl love Aquaman more now after seen him in JL?...No because he didnt do anything

[@alshahriar6230]

Antony Ogwo ehhm we saw banner do everything didn`t we.no hulk is needed.not like dceu`s superman without whom whole team is useless

[@antonyogwo8948]

Well, I get your point though he did serve his purpose in part of the movie, same with Spiderman when 1st recruited by Tony Stark, but the thought of an upcoming Aquaman movie puts folks on expectation mode to see what he gon do alone...

[@antonyogwo8948]

:) Hulk was needed but he failed for many reasons which we will know in the next Avengers movie. Well, lets say where DC brought JL to an end, Marvel left Infinity Wars open to a part 4 and more speculations.

[@noahasbury3301]

I think another thing is the fact that the MCU has established all their characters while DC just shoehorned in aquaman, cyborg and the flash without any previous mention or show of their characteristics, this just made no emotion for the team to get together and take down a big bad

[@CabezasDePescado]

you can thank the reshoots for that

[@luckyDancer100]

Groovy Souls DC made a big mistake by not building a world for the fans. The executives were clearly very greedy and wanted a world built immediately for profit. They should’ve each had independent storylines and come together in an organic way. Not shoehorned into one story.

[@TwelveK]

So I'm guessing the mentions in BvS weren't good enough?

[@neutralman9124]

@@TwelveK No, they weren't. You can't just shoehorn characters in with a fucking email and expect the audience to get excited it understand what's going on. DC's biggest issue is their assumption that these characters are so famous that no introduction is needed. Cinema doesn't work like that, you need to establish these characters in the films without the preconceived notion that everyone already knows who they are. That's why Iron Man had 2 films before Avengers, Thor and Captain America had one film and so on. It's also why Black Widow is basically co-lead in The Winter Soldier, because even though she's been introduced before hand, character expansion is needed for the audience to get invested. That's why there's a third Spider-Man series too. You can't just put Spider-Man in such an impactful role in a film like Infinity War and expect the audience to be emotionally invested because it's Spider-Man. Doctor Strange and Ant-Man are so obscure and even though have their own films, that are great at again, establishing the characters before they become important in the bigger films, especially Doctor Strange. DC has to understand that making $300 million Superhero films without establishing the characters, no matter how famous, is a terrible, stupid idea.

[@loudboy317]

Spider-Man was shoehorned into the MCU without any establishment or a solo film but people still enjoyed his performance in Civil War. Same thing with Black Panther because I don't know who he is or how he's able to kick Winter Soldier's ass but he still got a standing ovation from the fans. None of the Guardians of the Galaxy characters had any solo films and yet, they were still properly established (although we still know nothing about Rocket Racoon or Groot and we had to wait till Infinity War to know Gamora's story). Meanwhile, Flash already has a TV show that explores how he got his powers and what his characteristics are so he already has his establishment. We all saw how Cyborg was created in BvS and I wish Warner Bros. hadn't cut out so many scenes from Justice League that could've showed more of his story. Lastly, I will admit that Aquaman should've had his solo film out first before Justice League was released.

[@EhlistarsWrath]

I think this movie does amazingly well because of one thing- Thanos actually wins- no matter how hard the good guys try.... It’s not often we see a villain win, and we’ve *never* seen one win on this scale

[@horaciosi]

WB: You have great ideas Disney, but my ensemble movie is better in every way! Disney: How did you establish the new characters in the other movies? WB: .....Other movies? * Justice League bombs * Disney: You might wanna look into it. * posts release date for Infinity War *

When does the "justice League bombs" exactly?

[@alphareturns5988]

The snyder cut will save the dceu.

[@dexternexter]

Justice League didn't exactly bomb, but it was considered a disaster, considering that it only earned 600 million dollars at the box office.

[@connorcobb5122]

I understood that reference

[@Sforschondetta]

That frikin spiderman scene at the end... gets me every time. Stop playing with my emotions!!!

[@mr.noodle7061]

before i saw the movie, i saw the memes and i laughed so hard at that part when everyone else was crying

[@yeahwellthatsjustlikeyouro7466]

Steppenwolf? Yeah, i like their Born to Be Wild song.

[@BackboneAgZ]

I personally prefer Magic Carpet Ride

[@doug176]

What makes infinity war so good to me is how well it balances an excess of probably like 30 different characters and still everyone has at least one moment to shine and make their presence known. In the 3rd act it all condenses into 2 parallel conflicts: the crew on Titan trying to protect the time stone and the crew on Wakanda protecting the mind stone, and both have enough stakes and stuff going on each one could honestly maybe get their own full length movie, yet they’re intertwined in such a way that works because they have the same objective and tone while featuring completely different settings and characters. Infinity war is just so good man. Since its release it’s become possibly my favorite marvel movie ever, including the non-mcu movies.

[@brocode5984]

There are several things wrong with DCEU 1. The prioritize Big name casting over actual talent casting. 2. They rushed their universe to make a group movie like the avengers. 3. They relied to much on us knowing who the characters are already. But just cause they are recognizable names doesn’t mean we know the DCEU versions of these characters they should’ve gave each one their own movie so we could grow attached to said characters. 4. DCs characters tend to be over powered and have over lapping abilities which makes for boring action. You honestly don’t need any other super hero other then Superman. They have very few weakness so them comming together just seems like putting a hat on a hat ... doesn’t add anything.

[@trevorphilips9065]

josue torres Didn't Superman get beat up allot in BVS

[@CabezasDePescado]

1-Give me just one example of that. An i may remind you that we have someone like Johansson playing Black Widow. 2-Not true, just because some people did not liked the structure because it did not ripped off the mcu that does not mean is bad, did they rushed it? A little, but we never saw the actual Justice League but a butchered mess, so we dont know if it would have worked or not. 3-This point makes absolutely no sense. May i remind you that Black Panther was introduced to mass casual audiences in another character movie. 4-This point makes absolutely no sense, go read a comic book.

[@houndofculann1793]

Et Cogito Ergo Sum 1-I agree with you, none of the JL cast are that big names 2-I think what most people mean by the rushed DCEU is that instead of making a few solo movies of the big heroes to build up the characters and the world before their team-up, they made 2/3 solo movies and 2 team-up movies (SS is kind of more of a solo movie like GotG since those characters in those settings aren't meant to be alone, but a team) without actually building the background of anyone else than Superman and WW 3-Introduced, yes, but his backstory was made clear and further built upon with a solo movie afterwards, like MCU Spider Man. None of the DCEU characters get that treatment aside of the two mentioned above 4-Although a bit misguided, his point does make sense. It's not so much that the overlapping powers are an issue, the real problem is that the writers of the DCEU seem to not be as imaginative as the MCU ones and have a tendency to only showcase the overlapping powers of the heroes instead of their unique ones.

[@marving.5436]

that's right all that hardwork Bruce and Diana to recruit members, it ends that they don't need them but they need Superman... I mean Kal-el how did Diana know his name? the first time they met he died

[@xKingx16]

"4. DCs characters tend to be over powered and have over lapping abilities which makes for boring action. You honestly don’t need any other super hero other then Superman." No,That's like saying Thor doesn't need the Avengers. It's about being stronger together as a team. The chemistry,etc./ just doesn't know how to balance their heroes like Marvel. I.E Bruce ,Tony,Shuri, & Strange are both smart in their own way. DC put Cyborg on the team,So Batman stop being the tech savy guy. Meanwhile,Comic wise it's the reverse. Cyborg is on the team,but Batman makes him pointless. Often times no one is allowed to be smart around Batman. It's not powers,it's DC at times,doesn't know how to make characters share the light.

[@realamod]

The only way to save this movie was to name Steppenwolf's mom *Martha*

[@Schwartzbruder1]

Lol change granny goodness to martha goodness

[@trevorphilips9065]

Amod Adate Is that supposed to be funny.

[@kooale3252]

Not to dc fanboys

[@royalewithcheese2309]

Trevor Philips my god stop

[@masterpenguin8472]

WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!?!?!?!

[@Speedy2619]

My biggest fear is that Captain Marvel bring the supermanproblem in the MCU

[@SpaceOdyssey-uk4ww]

Already answered in Endgame. Cheers, lad.

[@philipmeisterl]

Speedy2619 shes more like steppenwolf

[@n.o.m4385]

captain marvel is not faultless she is a woman😂

[@DoctorKidemonas]

I could see that being a problem, if she wasnt off world 90% of the time. Remember, before endgame she wasnt on earth for a good 20-30 years. Plus, you're worried about Captain Marvel? Two words: Adam Warlock. He canonically exists, even if we have yet to see him outside of a minor cameo in guardians 2.

[@mikumiku8231]

2001SpaceOdyssey you’re right m8.

[@sanjaykumar-jv1ce]

Batman vs Superman : Dawn of failure This is where it started

[@harish1149]

Audience will love storytelling no matter which universe produces the movie . To me MCU storytelling is so awesome and the way they give a lead to the next movie is splendid . To be true DC animated movies and DC cartoons storytelling was really good. But in DCEU I feel they are lacking storytelling.

[@harish1149]

Another thing which I felt is MCU heroes and villains are less powerful than their comic versions. If u r less powerful it makes u vulnerable which makes the storytelling quiet interesting.

[@yeongvinsheng7639]

Dc animated is basically top quality storytelling with zero studio interference

[@harish1149]

Yeong VinSheng ya bro. I love Justice League: The flash time paradox and the ending dialogue of Reverse Flash : “am I the villain “ wow that was so good storytelling and good dialogues

[@yeongvinsheng7639]

@@harish1149 and I liked justice league unlimited

[@trevorphilips9065]

Harish Prasanna Superman got beat up by everyone in BVS and people complained how he was to weak but now people are bitching about him being to powerful

[@kaitospin3944]

Steppenwolf has a mother (probably called Martha) and Thanos doesn't. Justice league 1 Infinity War 0

[@Wolf10media]

Oh god I'm reminded of Hook now.

[@spotsthenpc7796]

Thanos has a mother. He killed her when he was a teen for death

[@masterpenguin8472]

WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!?!?!?!

[@sabalghoo]

xifaskia59 That was comic Thanos! Ain't no Lady Death in the MCU!

[@ulrichnubias2193]

Oh you little troll. No recognition for you.

[@alovenpendragon6162]

Marvel makes better movies, DC makes better animated tv shows and movies.

[@AS-sv8ub]

Kefa Awala not just tv shows have u seen any animated dc movie

[@alovenpendragon6162]

Satanove Games I have, movies as well I meant animations in whole

[@EazyE11]

If it wasn't for the Nolan Trilogy DC wouldn't exist right now.

[@CabezasDePescado]

Not really, MoS was pretty good, and BvS was good (yes, it was, not perfect, but good) SS was awful because of poitnless editing by not teh director, WW was generic and mediocre, and JL was terrible because of reshoots. The mcu on the other hand has been pretty uneven, we got good stuff, but also really bad movies like Iron Man 3, Thor Ragnarok, Age of Ultron, Ant-Man and its sequel, etc, the problem is that disney keeps everything very childish, very mainstream and with mass appeal, Infinity War was the closest they got to making an actual Marvel movie and it still had stupid shit in it, like dumb, forced, out of place, out of character jokes.

[@alovenpendragon6162]

spite lionheart i meant animated only, i dont enjoy their non animated tv shows

[@TheFilthyCringer]

Justice League was a rushed shitshow which felt like 4 intro movies for flash, aquaman, cyborg and whoever the villain was, a movie for the evil superman subplot and then the actual justice league movie all squashed together only to end with 1 of the entire team completely annihilating the big bad guy, while cracking jokes and making every other character seem useless. It's like if in Infinity war Thanos was the good guy and mantis was the bad guy. she manages to fight off a couple heroes then thanos just comes in, throws a moon at her and calls it a day.

[@footballarenabase6036]

Avengers Endgame was built for 8 years before the movie

[@TheRealAb216]

Drax is the unsung hero of the franchise.

[@SuperChunk19]

*Bane voice* UNSUNG HERO

[@stupidfangirl9989]

Marvels movies are better because they have a universe that seems like an actual world. Dc fails at continuity. I mean take batman. He starts off all dark and brooding and then in justice league he starts cracking jokes????????? Its a shame because i know that dc have better comics than marvel so it had so much potential

[@greenlightcomics7602]

Loki for Life Thank you. You get how Batman's character is suppose to be like. Not like the poor performances by Bale and Affleck that want to call themselves Batman.

[@WhiskeySins]

I'm not a big DC follower at all but, in regards to Batman and the actors who played them... Bale has admitted before that he wasn't happy with his performance as Batman, that he didn't nail it/do justice to the character the way he wanted to. I can't speak for Affleck but even Bale doesn't like his own performance of Batman.

[@jcdx87]

Green Light Comics dumbass

[@jcdx87]

Loki for Life You can thank WB & Whedon for changing Batman.

[@sajana5685]

Well, let's compare him to Thor. Thor started as a serious character whom most didn't really care about but look at him in the last movie where he cracks jokes and is badass and becomes the fan favourite. That's how you show character development.

[@victorortiz2183]

It seemed like Stephenwolf was banished from his homeworld after failing to conquer earth the first time. It would have been interesting to see what that was like for him and how he felt about it. It would've been kind of like that episode of Avatar: The Last Airbender (awesome show), in season 1, where it showed why Zuko was after the Avatar and wanted to "regain [his] honor".

[@canislunaticus]

I know thanos is supposed to be a villain and all but I almost agree with him. Thanos is an amazing villain!

[@CabezasDePescado]

he is a complete monster

[@leinine1834]

Thanos sure is an amazing villain, but come on... for real, I cringe *real hard* when seeing some people "almost agreeing with him" (even though it's not as bad as those who litterally say "thanos did nothing wrong")

[@marving.5436]

I'm in confusion on one side Thanos is I say is neither good nor bad... he's reasons or solution is really bad and sad but at the same time is one that only makes sense.. so Yeah a true Villain, not like Snyder's "mother" in all aspects of his movie...

[@leinine1834]

Marvin G. Welp Thanos is *bad* , just the *realistic and interesting* bad, that is: having good intentions making him do bad things because of flawed, despite understandable reasoning; that's what makes the difference between good and bad people irl Elijah mikle yup, totally agreeing with you, that and the fact that thanos totally missed the real problem of ressource distribution (Rich and poor) instead of ressources available (more than enough), and the fact that even without that, decreasing the universe's population by half would not prevent it from increasing back again, so despite being badass, thanos is dumb as hell lol

[@Nevermore2007]

I agree with thanos about balancing the planet, universe, galaxy, earth is over populated and needs balancing, I pretend to snap my fingers and all these people I see all around me just disappear

[@exco8529]

Forget Infinity War, JL failed against Thor Ragnarok 😂😂😂

[@starlord6073]

Me Zlatan jl failed against a fucking antman movie.

[@trevorphilips9065]

Me Zlatan Because people are familiar with Thor.

[@daisuke5971]

Trevor Philips:"Because people are familiar with Thor." so from what you're saying, people aint familiar will superman, batman, wonder woman????

[@trevorphilips9065]

dai suke People know Chris Hemsworth's Thor more than Henry Cavil' Superman Ben' Batman and Gal's Wonder woman and I didn't even know about Wonder Woman till I saw Family Guy.

[@DamonDraven]

Trevor Philips Antman was still better and no one knew Antman.

[@pijesz]

Even the first iron man is better than justice league

[@farimer1232]

pijesz The Incredible Hulk is better than Justice League. Thor The Dark World is better than Justice League.

[@pijesz]

@@farimer1232 it's as if marvel has taken all the best animator studios available and left dc with not many options

[@trevorphilips9065]

FANBOYS

[@UltimateDuck97]

The first iron man I thought was one of their best films, I can't see any comparison tbh

[@pijesz]

@@UltimateDuck97 I meant to compare the cgi quality. Storyline wise, there's no comparison.

[@sharx9881]

okay summary....... MCU: good DCEU: bad

[@alphareturns5988]

MCU : good DCEU : Decent

[@dothog1401]

@@alphareturns5988 MCU - used to be good, but fell off. DCEU - dogshit

[@Emma-yk1jf]

So I know I’m a bit late to the party but I think the reason thanos was such a good villain (other than what u said) is that we can empathise with him. While killing half off all life is a not so great idea, we understand why he’s doing it and where he’s coming from. If he had acted differently he could have been the good guy in his attempts to save other planets from what his went through. The fact that he took it so far is what makes him bad not so much his original underlying theme.

[@GoddessOfWhim2003]

JL failed cause Avengers took its time. Infinity War was 10 years in the making, building from one story to the next over the course of 18 movies. JL was built on three movies and only one (Wonder Woman) was good.

[@CabezasDePescado]

Justice League failed because we got a butchered movie that was a blend of two completely different visions, that is all. And Infinity War is far from a perfect movie. And WW was not good, it was decent at best.

[@goldenstatewarriors9418]

Amazing Villains: Thanos, Loki, Killmonger, Vulture Great Villains: Mysterio, Hela, Winter Soldier, Zemo Good Villains: Alexander Pierce, Iron Monger Ok Villains: Abomination, Ultron, Ghost, Aldrich Killian, Red Skull Bad Villains: Ronan, Yon Rogg, Yellow Jacket, Dormammu, Ego, Sonny Burch Trash Villains: Whiplash, Kaecillius, The Supreme Intelligence Awful Villains: Malekeith Idk I'd say Marvel used to have a villain problem but its not that bad anymore.

[@RussyPopDnD]

Nah man, you need to elevate Zemo. Most subversive 'supervillain' ever. Swap him with Hela on that list or something.

[@pankajvaishnav7099]

Zemo should be on top And dormammu is powerful and can be a better villian than Thanos in future

[@bluehammermidget6728]

Put dormamu up dude

[@neonpressure3464]

Red skull a bad villain? At least put him on ok or good

[@goldenstatewarriors9418]

@Bradyn Kerr Honestly, I would love to put Zemo up, I just felt if I had put him on the same tier as Mysterio a ton of people would get really mad. As for Ego, I dont really like him at all. Ego isn't compelling at all and is probably the main reason I dont like Guardians 2. The twist is not even that surprising. Also there's a big problem that he wasnt even the main villain until the 1.5 hour mark which is exactly 2/3 though the movie. And its way to drastic of a shift. Even though it was pretty obvious that Ego was going to be the villain, they wanted to make him super evil, and so he goes from a guy that takes naps. and plays catch, to someone that has murdered thousands of his own children, and that fact is simply glossed over.

[@jasoncopprue6872]

About each character having their own motivations, though, this only worked because of years of MCU leading up to this. Including Infinity War, off the top of my head: Iron Man has had 3 movies appeared in 7 Hulk has had 1 appeared in 5 Thor had 3 appeared in 5 Captain America had 3 appeared in 6 Guardians of the Galaxy had 2 appeared in 3 Spider-Man had 1 appeared in 3 Doctor Strange had 1 appeared in 3 Black Panther had 1 appeared in 3 Black Widow appeared in 3 Scarlet Witch appeared in 3 Vision appeared in 3 War Machine appeared in 4 Falcon appeared in 4 Like how many new characters were introduced in Inifinity War, and how many of them were heroes? Leading up to Justice League we've had: Man of Steel, Dawn of Justice, Suicide Squad (which featured none of the heroes unless you count references to them), Wonder Woman, and then Justice League. This alone explains a lot of the problem. How do you spend any time developing a villain when half your heroes have just appeared on screen for the first time?

[@joshuacarmona7642]

Jason Copprue | Actually Black Widow is in : Iron man 2 Avengers Winter soldier Avengers 2 Civil war Infinity war

[@trevorphilips9065]

Jason Copprue Easy Snyder Cut

[@ThorneyedWT]

Hulk had 2 movies. With Bana first, then sequel with Norton. Spoodey's backstory was basically stamped into people's minds with previous movies, which are not MCU but those are the main reason why Marvel refrained from repeating all that Uncle Ben's death shit third time. Homecoming was more like reminder of who this guy is, there was no need in deep introducing. And just for nitpicking = there was one scene with Batman in Suicide Squad.

[@the_dropbear4392]

@@ThorneyedWT The first hulk movie isn't part of the mcu

[@neverbetter2939]

Black Widow 6 not 3

[@4589dude]

I think Justice League vs The Avengers (first one) is a more fair comparison, but a lot of the same points still stand

[@Schwartzbruder1]

More fitting since joss whedon made the first avengers movie

[@swanpride]

I agree, but if you consider when The Avengers was released and when Justice League was released, part of the problem with Justice League was that it was behind the curve. Just having heroes fight a threat together wasn't enough at this point, you needed something extra.

[@michaelgatti4038]

You still got world building for the main characters in Marvel’s favor. Whence they were able to have a 6 man roster with way fewer people getting confused than with JL. Also a villain who is likable and had a pretty clear motive. Steppenwolf is bland and generic. A fair comparison would Thor the Dark World. It’s a team of heroes, most of whom you don’t care about, and an OPed leader in Thor. And the villains between both movies are totally interchangeable.

[@bryanbrosta9816]

Justice league vs Anything isn't a fair comparison

[@patrickbell5875]

Illuminanonymous compare it to Age of Ultron lol worse out the Avengers movies but still worlds better than JL

[@darrenk.2389]

Amazing that you predicted Thanos being about "the inevitability to lose", and in Endgame Thanos revolves around inevitability. Quotes like "I am inevitable" and "You couldn't live with your failures. So where did that bring you? Back to me." really shows it.