Why Does Gaijin Hate Italy? - War Thunder

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[@averymorin6651]

As an Italy main who has played since the nation released on the game, I will loyally play Italy to spite Gaijin. Our planes may be the slowest, our tanks the weakest, we may be punished and beaten down by the Big Three, unwelcomed by the rest, but we will not be broken! 🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹

[@whatdothlife4660]

the vehicle crew mustaches make up for all of the downsides.

[@johnnycloud4093]

I just ditched all the other trees for the Italian one just to spite gaijin

[@bipbap5079]

We as Italian mains stand strong!

[@Giga_ShrekChad]

I don't know if you guys are Italian, but as an Italian I appreciate your spirit and fervor in playing the underdog

[@johnnycloud4093]

@@Giga_ShrekChad not Italian but lived there for a little bit, beautiful place

[@mental_defect]

Don't forget the OTOMATIC, Italy's TOP TIER SPAA is at a higher BR than the 2s6 tunguska yet has half the effective range.

[@averymorin6651]

The current OTOMATIC is total fantasy. It's currently modeled incorrectly and has been for ages.

[@SadisNic]

Don't worry though, the 2s38, an SPAA by definition of the Russian military, can take a pure APFSDS belt.

[@CodeRed_31]

dont forget how every nation gets some type of missile while italians get a much much worse 2s38 in a much higher br while nowhere near effective on any stage as it

[@gabrielebottani9353]

As an italian main, I appreciate your respect to soulless people like me.

[@gbzin4684]

Glad to see I'm not alone in the Italian grind

[@antoniojmols]

Italy ground grind is not so bad. I am enjoying it. 9.0 is a lot of fun.

[@commandervocal3848]

@@antoniojmolsto be fair 9.0 Italian ground is one of (if not the only) sweet spot Italy has where is moderately on par with everyone they fight. However once you get past that and higher into 10.3-11.7 it’s just suffering, I still have no idea why they put the AMV at 11.7 when we have 11.3s and 10.7s that are just better in every way but pen (DM53), which doesn’t even matter since the CL round imo is just better with spalling and it’s enough to deal with anything at that BR

[@commandervocal3848]

And then for the MBTs you have the worst optics of any top tier MBT in-game (at least in my opinion) I mean a 8-12x sight? Really, why can’t it just have the same sights as the leopard 2 like it used too. Also Ariete PSO is at 11.3 while the ZTZ99-2 and ZTZ99-3 are at 10.7 with statistically better guns, faster going forward, better sights, much better armor, it’s only downside is reload and reverse speed

[@whiteflame2019]

^^^

[@houndoom8465]

The Italian bomber tree cuts off at 3.7 not even any copy paste just straight dies

[@normaluser5755]

They should the Aermacchi attack jets after the P108

[@chost-059]

ariete hull armour is missing, shows evidence from the manufacturer of the vehicle* gaijin: lol fuck you, not enough evidence because we dont like it)))

[@SadisNic]

Should have seen the push back I got for asking why the Otomatic's proxy round would detonate in proximity to a Vihkr but the Vihkr wouldn't detonate or be effected at all.

[@SadisNic]

Soviet egg cartons and ERA minus the E lol@@Chronesys

[@SadisNic]

Dense. No, pictures of T80s in Ukraine with what looks like egg cartons in the side skirts and ERA blocks with their explosives removed.@@Chronesys

[@Corxed]

As an italian main, there are legitimately a ton of things they could add/fix to make it better. Especially in the aviation tree. Its quite dissappointing that they don't even try to add these things.

[@FifingFossil]

Right, italy air gets mostly copy pasted planes instead of dozens of own machines

[@TwoTonBlunt]

I love how Germany get the G.91 R4 in their regular tree but for Italy it’s a premium Lolol.

[@pierluigiadreani2159]

You think the aviation tree Is bad because you don't realize we have an helicopter tree that Is not grindable No premium, you have to make 420k points to get an heli with tows...try that Ah and the heli has 14 Rockets, 7 salvo to destroy tanks. Lmaooo

[@FifingFossil]

@@pierluigiadreani2159 Italian Heli Tree is smalest in game! Even if there are like 4 or 5 possible helikopters!

[@Corxed]

@@pierluigiadreani2159 Trust me, I know. I have that heli. It shouldn't even be in the game it's just too bad.

[@wyvernthefox9683]

I'm a "German main" apparently despite having enjoyed Italy back when the CL round that they all "start with" had 615mm pen BEFORE the Leopard 2A6 had the Dm53. I LOVED Italy because the Centauro 120 was amazing to play, it was fast, hard hitting and just overall amazing to play with yet suddenly "wind" was the reason they got nerfed (don't believe me? Go look back when their shell got nerfed before others got added). Now the Spikes don't even work correctly because you have to see the drivers port (aim at a Russian or American take from the side and shoot, 9/10 times that missile will go for the drivers port) so their "special tank" they got just didn't really support them all that much. Italy used to be such an amazing and hilarious nation nation to play because they were the absolute KINGS of Glass Cannons, that's why I loved them and enjoyed them so much; now look at the husk of what used to be one of the most amazing nations to play.

[@Mzrl-tf2oz]

I had just finished getting the ariete when they nerfed CL3143, didnt get to use it during its hayday. got super mad, but hey at least we get DM53 now.

[@The-Master-Chief]

Cause they don’t like pizza. Italians ASSEMBLE!!

[@FifingFossil]

We just see that players strike works on Gajin, so meybe its time for another protest, this time for Snail to repair broken TT like Italy("we like upBRing") , British("yellow paint shells"), Japan("did we have Japanese TT?"), Etc... or just any tree that isn't Big Three!

[@obamagameing8394]

​@bazejpolitowicz6609 anything that can counter the big three and dominate (you just need some slight intellect more then the big three, they all have the combined iq of 0.1) will be nerfed to the shadow realm

[@BigSneed404]

Gib Draco SPAA. Gib B2 Centauro. Gib P.43 (I'd rather have paper tanks than no tanks.) Gib Ariete AMV the ability to mount both the WAR and PSO kits simultaneously. Gib Romanian subtree. Gib Hungarian subtree. Gib premium Spanish Leopard 2

[@B1ENTERTAINMENT30]

we got hungarian tree, want BTR, can't get BTR because rank 4 is torture

[@fabianofilipet7110]

Lamborghini Cheetah Ferrari f333 lizard Centauro Pegaso Of40 mk3 M113 Oerlikon 25mm Autocannone 102/34N Autocannone cs8 65/17 M60a3 Leonardo... They are intentionally sabotaging the tree.

[@uh8705]

i dont know why they think the ariete is fine to be killed by a t34 from the front 💀

[@Castrix99]

Abrams turret ring, Challenger lfp, leclerc lfp, ztz99 lfp..

[@mr.abrams8112]

@@Castrix99 abrams turret ring isnt even that weak irl

[@B1ENTERTAINMENT30]

IDK bro, i remember killing an XM-1 with a tiger 1 H eons ago, how? I still don't know

[@Awesomeduud]

Cuz anyone but the Russians can’t make good tanks apparently lol

[@rabidrabbit6863]

being an Italian main in war thunder is the tank version of Elden ring

[@NicolasBloomDrums]

Thank you for bringing more light to the blatantly manufactured struggle that is Italy

[@deca0]

its about time

[@thatonelocalauthority2809]

Britain, Japan and Italy are all skilled brothers in suffering.

[@SadisNic]

@@thatonelocalauthority2809 Japan is the worst now hands down. As an Italy main, I wish we could get more of our grievances solved, but the Japanese mains are the ones I truly feel bad for.

[@obamagameing8394]

​@@thatonelocalauthority2809 Britain has limited talking room now france has plentiful

[@thatonelocalauthority2809]

@@obamagameing8394 Britain is way more difficult than France its not even a competition.

[@Skullzero1]

As a Japanese main I have a lot of solidarity for the singular tech tree that is neglected more than mine. Japan suffers but at least has a light at the end of the tunnel with the type 90 and type 10. I shed a tear for the Italians who suffer, only to suffer.

[@B1ENTERTAINMENT30]

Japan actually does have some lower BR gems that I love playing, once I'm done grinding for a lifetime to get the hungarian BTR I might give Japan a go and get to rank 5 there too

[@Skullzero1]

@B1ENTERTAINMENT30 I love the Japanese tech tree. It's very glass cannon, but I think mastering that makes you a better player. Side note, this is 4 months since my original comment and funnily enough I've been working on the Italian tree, and the Hungarian BTR is what I'm currently researching

[@nikolasfoulger1127]

I think the single worst part for ground would be the mid teir gaps, and the Arietes, which are way higher in BR than they should, with the only one in a decent spot being the Prototype. Not only that when the WAR armor kit came out for the standard Ariete, i saw a bug report where the WAR kit, dispite being designed specifically to counter kenetic rounds, their KE protection was equivilent to Kontakt-1, hell, the PSO kit, the kit designed to counter chemical rounds does a better job at stopping KE rounds than war, but Gaijins reaction to this bug report was literally "not enough evidence, sorry" On top of that, the IVECO/OTO-MELARA website, and a few other sources, state that composite armor is present in the hull, and yet thats not enough evidence either... plus them refusing to add the WAR/PSO combo to the AMV even though that was one of the main reasons Italy gave it a better engine and wider tracks Ive even tested this, and found the Type 10... the fucking Type 10 MBT which prioritiezed light weight and mobility over armor, could tank rounds significantly better than Ariete at its stronger points Just sad man

[@B1ENTERTAINMENT30]

Yeah, rank 4 is nearly unplayable due to how unforgiving everything is. Granted I started doing nothing but realistic a few weeks ago to try and grind faster so that could just be me being bad at the game, but I digress

[@tjstar45]

As an Italian main, my soul has been pain, everything is grey and sad, and the F16 has given me false hope. Save me

[@KingKonamiLive]

I have always loved Italy, the names, voice lines, the looks and plenty of other factors that keep me playing Italy. Couple years later here I am with all branches completed and almost every vehicle spaded. One of my biggest gripes is even the playerbase has told me to pipe down when I would complain about the 104s fighting the mig 29 and f14 and tell me the 104 is sooooo good. You cannot even have a gun and radar missiles for christ sake. God I am gonna cut my rant here I have so much anger pent up and this video I feel so much dude. Also why tf doesn't the radar fold down anymore!

[@riccardomariani9648]

You also forgot that the italian blue water fleet has coded in the WORST dispersion multiplier in game i swear i've never seen two shots from the same turret land almost 1km apart from each other, and none of them hit the target

[@francescoboselli6033]

As an Italian, I started to play Italy when it didn't even had a ground tree. I remember at the begging how much every one liked Italy: it was the first nation to basically introduce wheel tanks to the game, so it offered a very different play style. But the more we go forward the more a thing that Gajin purposely hates Italy: they realized how many player it could have potentially:"stolen" from the big 3 (and I guess consequentially all the money coming from that) so they just let Italy a second thought. I hope that if Gajin is really going through a "reform" or whatever after the review bombing, they will also improve Italy

[@Giga_ShrekChad]

As a wannabe Italian main and actual Italian patriot I would like the snail to stop adding like a new Pz. variation or some obscure Russian vehicle and start instead adding and fixing stuff of the smaller nations. I think the big three are fine just leave em be for a while instead of adding small variations of tanks every update

[@biddygames]

Thank you finally someone will actually stand up for us Italian mains Edit: Italy on console still doesn’t have a premium helicopter. And also with the new BR decomp update around the corner. They’re probably gonna find a way to make everything worse for Italy. I’m betting that every single vehicle past rank five is going to go up a BR bracket or two.

[@enricomarzotto]

My favourite line up of italy was the 7.7… imagine what? They push it up to 8.0…. Crazy 😅

[@andrewtibbetts2695]

My main complaint is that the R3 is at 5.7 and is complete garbage at that tier for no reason, while way better anti airs are at lower/way lower brs

[@mlc36tva14]

Considering they are one of if not the most fun trees in game its a shame the amount of hate they get, from the snail

[@Jdhog152]

G.91 Y and YS are at high BR’s cause people keep playing to their strengths and turn fight them. Additionally prior to F-104S getting flares it it was equally to the F-104G. But flares pushed it in BR.

[@FireCandy_Lt]

i remeber when i spaded F-104S without flares and was utter pain and then like 2 days later it got flares. I cant say how angry and pissed I was

[@nightmare3-12]

I can't wait to see the last and best powerful Italian battleship "Roma" at the seme BR of the Yamato and USS Iowa

[@ShiverMeTimbers93]

I've been playing this game seriously since the last months of 2020. I've mained Italy almost all the time (now researching JP but that's another story). I've never seen anything good come out of Gaijin for our tree. It's kind of sad as an Italian, but the worst part is that anyone who plays this tree, will be at an incredible disadvantage. This is because the few good vehicles in the game are buried under overtiered stuff, missing BR's, POSSIBLE vehicles that they would never add and incredibly unfair mechanics. Think of the CL-13. It's not incredible, but it had at least 6 other variants that could be implemented in one way or another. Now I'm not saying they should add every single variant of that thing, but it's 6 possible new things that they did not care for. I'm sad for Gaijin not being capable enough to manage something like this lol

[@Thomas_Truong]

u repersent me and all the italy main out there, it truly a harsh and difficult tech tree to grind and the stuff init isnt that interesting as well. Saying all this as an italy main myself, hurt very deep but it's just the fact. Thank you tho, for sharing ur experience of playing the italian to the others people out there and hopfully gaijin can watch this and rethink about the nation

[@Nenemon]

Maining Italy air is a difficult task that requires so much variation in non standard play styles to overcome limitations, nerfs and br increases that eventually it makes you the most toxic and unpredictable player on the enemy team. Once you get your hands on a Sagittario 2 after all that grinding, there’s no stopping you. No matter the uptier, you’re the most dangerous player on your team.

[@Kaiberus]

italy is one of the few tech tree's i've grinded through without premiums, mostly because their sub 9.0 are kindah fun to play (im also not top tier im at like 9.3) but sometimes its really a slauch, and dont get me started on the aircraft like you said, i dont even bother grinding air or helos on italy

[@jarguliasjoe9286]

If they add like... other mediterranean nations tanks, like the Leo 2E from Spain (They added the Centauro, so...) maybe top tier Italy would be nice.

[@pierluigiadreani2159]

Leopard 2a8 has bene ordered

[@emilelerate6454]

They should just implement Switzerland as a sub tree. It would fix 90% of Italian problems in the game right now.

[@SadisNic]

We don't need it. Finish added Italian vehicles first. Fuck MBTs, just give us the Centauro 2 instead, the Palmaria, the MB340 AMX, etc.

[@commandoepsilon4664]

@@emilelerate6454 Gaijin would probably give it to Germany.

[@fabioaya6320]

They can start with all the Italian vehicles they didn't add first, lol

[@TheGamingHive]

I am an Italy main and I am glad to see a video about the struggles I and other Italy mains face.

[@Gabriele_Spagnuolo02]

I am an Italian main, and Its been more then a year that I constantly ask myself “when are they going to add a subtree to Italy?”, It has been rumored lots of time, that when I saw Finland being added, I felt It was the time for Italy to get a subtree, but no, lets give It to the already powerful Sweden

[@el_tio_Harry]

What would the sun tech tree be then? Pero Spain never really had any mid war tanks so it’ll just be 1.7-2.3 civil war to 10.3-11 modern

[@SadisNic]

Right? If Sweden can get vehicles it only tested, why can't Italy get the Tiger as our SINGLE heavy tank since we still don't have one.

[@rocketman03]

I think it’s also because we more or less have most of what Italy has in terms of modern equipment other than prototypes. As for WW2/cold war, I’m sure there’s more we haven’t gotten yet.

[@andrewtibbetts2695]

And they could always add Hungary and Romania to Italy to flush out the WW2/postwar era of tanks to help boulster the Italian lineups

[@wallachia4797]

The Soviet and American tech trees are filled to the brim with nonsensical prototypes which border on the way World of Tanks tier of stupidity, so that's clearly not an issue. They could add more tanks to Italy if they wanted to, even prototypes.

[@riccardomariani9648]

They can at least give italy the Palmaria spg or the pzh2000 or i don't know....the real version of the B1 centauro since the one at 8.7 is just the concept and the one in use is the vrcc "version" or the centauro 2 (many stats are not even secret, i've found them in a published military magazine) with a lolpen round

[@giulianoilfilosofo7927]

Not even close, there Is a lot missing from Italy modern equipment as well as from Cold War material.

[@rockerscum]

When they were dropping Italy, I literally predicted that this would happen due to the sheer popularity of other nations

[@pierluigiadreani2159]

The good thing is that our zoomers are playing the game at super hard mode, and they have to struggle more than others to win. Meaning we are training future super soldiers because gaejin is unfair

[@redacted5736]

I've always told people who want to get good at Warthunder to play Italy. The performance gap between most Italian vehicles and their counterparts means most kills you get are down far more to skill than luck or stats.

[@Mangotherango57]

@@redacted5736play Italy or Britain both of them get kicked in the balls by the snail

[@Jdhog152]

The M-60 was do to making a bug report that the premium version didn’t have a Stab. Unfortunately the report wasn’t made until the vehicle was already out.

[@spacesoldier1178]

The M60 was a blatant bait and switch, the consultant actually informed Gaijin that it wasn't equiped with the STAB but they changed it only afterwards.

[@thewhitewolf5261]

What a lot of people seem to forget, or at least just not mention, is that when it lost the stab it also went down in br, I believe from 8.3 to 7.7. And, in my honest opinion, 7.7 is a much better br range for a heat slinging m60 than 8.3 is.

[@eagelseye8089]

I played Italy when I was through with the German ground, air and helicopter trees and it was like someone had set the game to hardcore. It was even worse than Japan, whose tree I'm currently playing through. In my opinion, the only really good line-up is on 10.0 with the Ariete C1, the Dardo with both 25mm and 30mm cannon, the Freccia and the 10.0 helicopter, which at least already has Hellfire ATGMs and is therefore really strong, especially in down tier battles. As far as CAS is concerned, however, apart from the Tornado and the g91, everything is bad and that's why I don't have any CAS in the line up.

[@freaky1382]

as a british main who plays italy and sweden i agree with all of these points in all these videos youve made :( i hope they fix all these nations i love to play

[@solreaver83]

Italian navy was hard but i had a good time around br 5 give or take a br. The guns do a lot of damage

[@pierluigiadreani2159]

I am playing 5.3 naval with Italy doing great

[@solreaver83]

@@pierluigiadreani2159 they feel really powerful. Everything seems to detonate

[@turbodizalturbat9807]

I started playin italy around one year ago and although I got to the russian top tier, I felt better playing the italian glass cannons like the centauro which became my most played vehicle by far, it saddens me to learn that a great deal of prototypes don't end up getting added in game, and at times it's frustrating to play simply because now italy ain't in a very good place, the skill of playin' 'em might save you from time to time but there is room for improvement

[@Someonethatyouysedtoknowlol]

Italy Is great for experienced players BUT: the lack of consistent Lin ups (expecially from 3.7 to 5.0) Makes It super hard to enjoy and l'ets not talk about the air tree.where you get Planes Like the g91ys at 9.3 br and no flares (yeks) Italian top tier can be actually fine but the Problem Is getting there lol.and the fact that gaijin Is nerfing Italian Planes to Oblivion Doesent help Edit: After seeing the f104S i realized that you are going to face f14s and mig29s in a plane with crappy radar and missiles

[@Nenemon]

I practically started the game as an Italian main. The Sagittario 2 needs it’s belts back and needs to have its CAS equipment introduced. It was intended to carry unguided rockets and bombs in real life. The plane is already a prototype so I don’t see the prototype payloads as being a bad idea. Italy may suffer but it sure as hell feels special when you’re dominating.

[@alessioantinoro5713]

G.91Y at 9.3 (at least it got nords), while G.91YS at 9.7 😭

[@enterchannelname8981]

Yknow, I used to main Britain because the tanks looked cool. Once I realized how much struggle it was, I switched. Genius that I am, I switched to italy. I've been grinding for ages and I think I'm finally done with this. It'll be a waste of time but I need to switch nations again.

[@SadisNic]

Don't forget with the Sag2, not only did they raise it's BR and remove its AP belt, they also gave it a 55K SL repair cost lol Italy is in the best place its ever been since we finally got the F16, Tornado, and the DM53. They just reduced the Saette's AshM to a measly 5kg explosive mass from its original 26kg filler. The G91YS FINALLY can be spaded for less that 480,000RP but for what, a subsonic, no radar, no RWR, no countermeasure, plane with two 9Bs at 9.7. It took me and another guy nearly 2 years to get the Otomatic's radar fixed. Ever tried leading a jet with a 10+/- radar arc? The 2s38 is by definition an SPAA but Gaijin lets them take a pure dart belt but refuse to allow hull stored dart for the Otomatic Our current top tier MBT doesn't even have a roof gun and has worse armor than the two before it. Italy still doesn't have a heavy tank. NOT ONE. If Sweden gets test vehicles, why can't we get the Tiger that Italians were trained on? Thanks TEC, some of theis felt a little satirical but regardless, it was nice to hear it from someone in a position of power in the community.

[@exosin4394]

Very insightful, thank you TEC! If they want to fix Italy, how about making the Italy tree more fun and unique? -give them a hungarian Gripen in March -lower otomagic to 10.0, like 2S38 -add a Francesco Mimbelli destroyer at 8.3 blue water with two helis on board in December update. -recoilless rifle vespa at 6.0 -in December give the sparviero the Otomat missile and change BR to 8.0, later Exocet and a tech tree sparviero could be added It was a good nation to play: got plenty of lions with P40 tank when it was in beta. Warbond spit allowed grinding to g91 in two weeks, because every fighter after rank III was fun to spade. F-84 RE was meta with its air spawn it kept as an oversight, which made it the 4th strongest plane in squadron battles for four years. R3 dominated SRE for multiple BRs.

[@BLEEN-lk3mj]

I'm an Italy main and it's probably just me already used to suffering in games but so far, Italy has been a comfortable and fun nation. I also never have used a single aircraft because I despise aircrafts. I think there's something wrong with my tanks because they're pretty strong. I didn't know Italy had this much issues..

[@thatrandomguydownthestreet9682]

As a starting italian main it was very confusing when my plane was slower and more sluggish than basically anything

[@ravandhika5472]

Fr fr.. Italy is so suffered even in Air, ground and Naval rb are so much pain (i'm looking at you sagittario)

[@jascen4192]

Always tell my friend I’m a masochist because I main Italy and it’s so painful yet I love it so much.

[@whatdothlife4660]

First they hurt the 4.0 lineup by uptiering the BREDA, then the 5.0 lineup by uptiering the R3, now the 5.7 lineup with the RE.2005. When will it end?

[@sebastianromero113]

even worst today

[@SkeleGames936]

The ONLY good thing about the italian aviation tech tree is the fact that it has 50 cals at reserve and even that isnt entirely special.

[@pippopappo2510]

I'm italian and i play basically all my nation's tech tree often, even the Arietes. In my opinion top tier is much worst than even 8.7. In fact i do pretty well with the OF-40 Mk.2 or the VBC(pt2), while at top tier the experience can be rough, especially when playing against russians. In my opinion Gaijin could do more, for exemple by adding the Centauro 2, after all they added the Type 16 for the japanese, wich entered in service in 2016 if i'm not wrong, the same year the Centauro 2 enterd in service. But they are not totally to blame for the tanks and other veichles bad performances, especially with the Ariete, that even in real life was obsolete even when entered in service in 1995. Regarding helcopters i can't speak about them because i don't play them. Naval is pretty difficult to play, in fact i dropped them at 4.0 b.r. As for planes i don't play them much anymore, but i totally avoid the G-91YS/Y nowdays and same for the F-104s. So to recap Italy soffers more at high tiers/top tier because the veichles aren't super good by their own and because Gaijin is at least a bit biased or just don't give a f****. Anyway good video, keep doing a great job. 👉

[@fangan4770]

Funny thing: The best italian coastal ship - the freccia p-493 - is a premium event vehicle

[@gianniillari1432]

Jokes on you. I'm not a professional player, I'm just an idiot that decided to play my ethnicity and regretted it because I got addicted and now I'm stuck in this hole until I can completely unlock my tech tree which for naval wasn't too bad until I hit the battleships. I finally unlocked one and it's taking so long until unlock the next one family with my coastal chips. When I unlocked the spagaro I'd say I'm off but I bought it. It was amazing that ship's auto cannon is glorious and it holds up unless you put it against any other nation's premiums and then you die and air battles don't even get me started. Same way with helicopters. I just suffered but I will endure Viva la Italia

[@cameron1999cam]

The prblem with the aviation tree is there's literally no dedicated CAS, the fighters are okay but no where near as good as other nations. Couple that with very poor AA makes top tier so bad. The best AA for Italy are literally the helicopters

[@karlthedogwithakar98k95]

My problem with Italy is the fact that there 1.0-2.7 is fucking painful it’s the same shitty M-14/30 just a slightly different version

[@eol6632]

Yeah, plus the BR they put some early ground vehicles at is ridiculous when you look at other tech tree's. If that wasn't bad enough some weapons got a nerf code on them too. Early French tanks get it bad too.

[@LorenzoCantGame]

As an italian main i can confirm its very difficult, but i started with tanks and im going pretty fast. Italy is hated only because its vehicles are kinda weak but its the player that counts not the tanks

[@samadams2203]

Hasn't played Italy in so long there's whiterock fortress footage. Really says a lot.

[@k1lder346]

I think Italy has nice 2.7 lineup but it needs Celere Sahariano and Turan II so it's little inaccessible

[@averymorin6651]

Turan II? No that's a joke, don't even need the Celere Sahariano. The non-premium vehicles are solid at 2.7 play well and it's actually my favorite area for Italy besides 3.7 - 4.0

[@zaniwoob]

I've leveled all nations up and beyond 5.0 and the line up you mentioned is definitely one of the fun ones and i will always come back to it.

[@squidkid-xt6mu]

as an italian main who played its ground tree as my first nation years ago i want to die

[@WCIN]

If they can worry about track drag and wheels in snow… Why can’t they make tank barrels solid? Barrels being solid would not pass through buildings. It would make tank drivers think twice about taking their 15 ft barrels into villages with narrow streets.!

[@YmusAnon]

I'm currently on the Italian grind only for the Hungarian tanks as my first tree. Wish me luck

[@This_is_milk]

This video is even more true with the latest br change italy like why did the r3 need to be 8.0

[@chost-059]

the italian tech tree is one i cant recommend to anyone, its just full of mediocre gimmick tanks apart from the 9.0 area. the lineups kinda suck in general except a few.

[@tehpronoob7380]

The only reason why I'm grinding the Italian tech tree is because my grandpa gifted me my first tank model which was a Centauro. But every time I start up the game to grind through the low tiers, I wanna rip my balls off with my bare hands. I fucking hate it so much

[@CGTV1.]

Did they seriously bring back the castle map?? One of my favorites!

[@sirchoke1229]

I think that's some of his old old footage.

[@CGTV1.]

​@@sirchoke1229Ah makes sense

[@thatonelocalauthority2809]

I still don’t understand why they removed it. Awesome map, definitely one of the better ones in the game

[@zmebob3897]

I started as a german main but i got italy when it came out, and it used to be a okay tree, but they nerfed it into the ground. The F104g in the german tree is better in every way than the Italian one buts it at the same br like why.

[@simoneguarise9012]

Apparentrly having the smallest tank in the game is enought pride for gaijin

[@KotalTotal]

You talked about everything except for how it is for low to mid tier. There's a few good lineups but when you get to 4.0, you start seeing a terrible setup and br's that make it difficult to properly gradually climb up the tree. If I remember correctly, it's only one 4.0 vehicle, only one 5.0 vehicle, and then it's a clear flat line between ranks 3 and 4. France has the exact same thing, but it apparently doesn't matter to anyone else.

[@zzebiasse4258]

I think it would be a great idea if gajin removed the 600mm pen round on the ariete PSO and put it to 10.0 just to bolster the 10.0 line up, and yes they really need to do something about italian CAS and especially the absolutely terible heli tree

[@MyronGainz]

Also the 8.3 SIDAM getting 60 rounds of apds is criminal and the r3t20 will be BR 10.0 by next year at this rate. The AUBL HVG should have been in the tech tree for a decent 7.7 line up. the c13 t90 should have just been 6.3 with the rest of the line up but it doesnt even matter because no one even knows it exists. Yes I am a tired and battered Italian main.

[@casematecardinal]

I feel vindicated. Life is hard for us Italian players. I remember getting the Italian helicopter as my first heli and being so disappointed. Its almost useless. The best I've ever done with it was kill a single light tank and then an overconfident plane. Then I died to a gepard because of course

[@viniciusmoreschi6970]

i wish they added some vehicles like the RN ROMA or the centauro 2

[@L3-PP]

we need to bring attention to the challengers non existent armour especially on the TES which has ERA about as thick as an R3 and the same amount of protection as the 2F but 5.8t heavier not to mention it has less protection in both CE and KN (CE400mm and KN30mm) than anything used by Russia I'm sick and tired of it being repeatedly ignored by gaijin even when making reports. even when making a report they will say the evidence is insufficient even with multiple sources but also wont take classified documents (not that I have access to any) so there is nothing they will accept unless its to buff a premium (bonus points if its Russian) to create a loop hole where they don't need to do anything.

[@sebastianromero113]

Well, you got hungary now, didnt fix the shit.

[@anagianfrate3427]

I am from Italy as you can see from my surname - Gianfrate and i play as Italy in War Thunder and i want that Gaijin would fix and ad more italian vehicles. PLEASE GAIJIN DO IT.

[@ElProllo-86]

I like italy as a light tank nation in WT. Speedy Boys, best boys. I started with the big 3, completed germany (ground) and at the moment i play italy because of the lessons i learned from playing the big 3: I like playing Tenchu in War Thunder and italy is realy great at ninja gameplay. So far (9.7) the ground expirience was fun. Not meta, not effective but fun. I love the 6.3 "Cars" Lineup and i love the 9.0ish Lineup. I would realy like to see Gaijin push italy as light tank nation with stuff like Centauro 2 and B1 Draco. Let the other nations have their meta MBTs and give italy the fun stuff

[@MrJonifishpt]

They should just turn the Italian tree into a mediterranean tree. Add an Iberian subtree, there are already Portuguese (g91 r/4) and Spanish (VRCC) vehicles on the italian tree, even if the ones currently present are premium, just add a bunch more to the standart tech tree. idc if they pull the finnish treatment and just do copy paste, there are a bunch of copy-pastable vehicles from other nations that those countries use (i know for a fact that portugal has leo 2a6's and has used m60's and even EBR's at one point, Spain probably has some good copy pastable vehicles too). It has the potential to be such a fun tree but they just ignore it like if it was a stain on the game.

[@normaluser5755]

I disagree. There are many Italian tanks, planes and vessels that could be added instead of Spanish copy paste. They're still missing iconic planes like Mb.326 and Mb. 339, which could patch many br holes because there are many variants of them. The Amx Ghibli is also missing, as well as dozens of different types of competitive interwar/WWII aircraft. Wht add the m60, when Italy also used them and modified them?

[@MrJonifishpt]

​@@normaluser5755 New vehicles require new models, new textures, new damage models, new flight models, etc. All that takes alot of time and resources while copy paste just needs new textures for the camo, the rest can be copied over, which is why i said idc if they put just copy paste, its faster and also fills BR brackets. Sweden also has a bunch of vehicles that could be added but they brought over finland instead as a copy paste sub tree just to fill BR brackets which is more important than a shiny new vehicle imo. As for the m60, there is already an italian m60 ingame, unfortunatly it is a premium. That is the reason why i talked about the portuguese one, they could add that one as a tech tree version under an iberian subtree. I do understand where you are coming from though, new Italian vehicles would 100% be a good choice too, it just takes alot longer to do and uses alot more resources so my idea was more of a "quick fix" to the problem.

[@normaluser5755]

@MrJonifishpt I care. I play the Italian tech tree, to play Italian tanks, aircraft and vessels. Not Romanian and Hungarian copy paste. Planes like the Mb.326 would be quite cheap to make, as it was also used by Brazil(Italian premium), South Africa(British premium) and Argentina(German premium). Another plane like that would be the Ca.313, which was also used by Sweden, in 2 variants, making it more cost effective for Gaijin, while filling 2 tech trees at once. Another example of that, could be the Italian torpedo boats and destroyer escorts, which were also used by Sweden.

[@MrJonifishpt]

​@@normaluser5755 ​Thing is adding a bunch of copy paste for a subtree would open up space for unique vehicles from those countries down the line. And no, adding a vehicle used by alot of nations would not be cheaper, the price, resources and time spent is the same, it can just be used by more nations lmao (which is ends up with copy paste on other trees btw). Things take time to make and test. If you want a fix for the tree that doesnt take 5+ years, copy paste is the best option, otherwise good luck waiting for 1 vehicle every 2/3 months for the next 5/10 years to fix the entire tree, assuming they even release 1 italian vehicle every 2/3 months because lets not forget that there are 9 other nations in the game. Realistically, the only way to fix the tree in a good time frame is copy paste. I would also prefer unique vehicles but that isnt a good option for gaijin imo, both in terms of resources and monetarily. On top of all that Italy isnt a very popular tech tree, which just makes the problems even worse.

[@normaluser5755]

@@MrJonifishpt It would be cheaper. Adding one vehicle that can be added in many variants, and as premiums in Italy and other trees, would make it more economically viable for Gaijin. The nations you mentioned don't have almost any unique vehicles. They either are modifications, of straight up licenses of already existing vehicles. Italy isn't a very popular tech tree, mostly because of the weird decisions made by Gaijin, like the lack of Ariete's composite armour, or extremely overtiered planes like the G91y and G91ys. They also had extremely high repair costs for a very long time.

[@FifingFossil]

We just see that players strike works on Gajin, so meybe its time for another protest, this time for Snail to repair broken TT like Italy("we like upBRing") , British("yellow paint shells"), Japan("did we have Japanese TT?"), Etc... or just any tree that isn't Big Three!

[@projectmjolnierunsc3511]

I remember I used to shit myself seeing a ariete with its APFSDS shell when it was the best one in the game a long time ago

[@indee105]

I'll never understand why the dardo is now 9.7...

[@parabelluminvicta8380]

9.7? actualy is at 10.0

[@illegalskittles9386]

I’m new to the game and decided to play the Italian tree because I rarely saw them. I now know why. At mid tier they’re decently fun but low tier I had to be placed on suicide watch.

[@B1ENTERTAINMENT30]

You're one of the lucky ones, I found rank 1-2 as actually kind of fun, but at rank 4 going into rank 5 it is just pain, and it hits like a train

[@katyushaoverpressure888]

We're going to ignore that he used footage on White Rock Fortress? A map that was removed?

[@kingsimp1072]

Hungry they added hungry and we got a leo!!!

[@cuccarese]

Also the worst spaa, no vehicle has an effective range past like 3 miles, In the otomatic I've had people dodge my shots without them knowing all because they moved slightly! The 2s38 is a better otomatic, just without the search radar.

[@ericpeterson541]

I’m a GB and Italian enjoyer. But I have a hard time convincing myself to play anything more than 10.0. Freccia, a129cbt basically. I liked the dart top tier Italy had previously. I thought that provided a unique top tier experience. With all the changes to top tier Italy tho yeah, I don’t play much past 10.0 these days for em.

[@sherlokcz7407]

Italy was my fist techtree I went for....justice for my boy!

[@randomhitmusic]

"sweden gets a sub tree and italy doesnt" gaijin: u sure?

[@Rob-326]

This video was made before the sub tree was added.

[@randomhitmusic]

thats why i even wrote it@@Rob-326

[@eric1205]

Thank you for these thematic videos. I think for Italy the right title would be: why does Gaijin hate italy so much? 😂

[@Player-st4hn]

They could help Italy out so easily, firstly add a Hungarian subtree to them to fill out their tech tree properly while attracting more attention to the nation. Secondly, lower the BRs on every Italian vehicle and base BRs on the power of the vehicle, not the stats on them.

[@B1ENTERTAINMENT30]

When they finally did that I was absolutely pumped, but now playing the hungarian stuff is pain, flat angles everywhere, little or no frontal armor, unforgiving for almost everything. Just pain

[@Shamelover1]

that 7:32 kachaow was on point ahha

[@andrewpeterson549]

The OtOmatic is still the funnest vehicle in the game

[@SassquatchTX]

This is why i don't put money in the game because they always change shit.

[@averagesnailgodpraiser3840]

5:35 that’s cause they’re not blue water fleet

[@B1ENTERTAINMENT30]

I cant agree more, I just want to get the hungarian BTR-80 at rank 5 but I'll probably have to spend a month grind through not even 1 tank at rank 5, which is in my opinion, one of if not the worst experiences. The only time I find myself having fun is playing arcade, which doesn't just mean it will take longer but I may not even get it at all due to sheer burnout from trying to get through rank 4 and start rank 5

[@flag_guy]

adding a balkan sub tree would be so easy for gigglan cause they would only have to make like 2 vics and then copy past a buch of soviet shit. but such is the pain for us italian mains

[@guerrinlove69]

Im convinced you could drop every rank 4+ ground vehicle down 0.7 BR and then it would still barely be playable. My boi Oto should be 9.7

[@PotatoeJoe69]

TEC, as an Italian main, I sincerely want to thank you for mentioning the real issue with Italy in WT, but I specifically want ro thank you for mentioning the G.91YS. That planes BR is the biggest travesty in all of War Thunder. There is no other vehicle so horribly placed as the G.91YS is.

[@PaulieLDP]

Italy needs a minor nation major expansion added to it. With some of their 6.3s going up in BR, I think their only ground lineups with more than 3 tanks in it stop at 4.7

[@Jdhog152]

Ok for the Sagittario losing its AP round. It was do to someone making a bug report that the AP round was for a completely different cannon then the one used by the Sagittario.

[@riccardomariani9648]

If it was for the AP round i would understand, but that doesn't justify the 9.0 br which is 10.0 99% of the time where you are the slowest, no radar, no flare. People won't dogfight you and you are basically a pigeon against hungry falcons

[@bluentei5048]

A part of the reason why Italian planes keep getting uptiered is because people don't how how to fight them, I had a match in the Re-2005 where I got 5 out of the 6 enemy players all because they all decided to turnfight me in stuff like F-82s and F4U's. If you look at the stats for the Re-2005 it's just a slightly worse spitfire with different guns

[@dan_halfsvear]

I actually really enjoy this "why gayin hates xxxxx" videos 😂

[@Arditi1922]

I love italian tree, that's my second favourite, but it's so poor. I wish they add at least P43 and Pz IV to the tree