Why Everyone HATES Mercy in Overwatch 2

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Skiesti

Skiesti

Күн бұрын

Recently Mercy's damage boost, resurrection, and guardian angel movement have been getting a lot of negative attention and discussion in the Overwatch 2 community. I've been asked a lot about my thoughts so let's talk about it!
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@Skiesti
@Skiesti Жыл бұрын
If you're interested in hearing me talk more about the Mercy problem, I had the opportunity to talk to AVRL about it on SVB's podcast over here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpLWgpWmgNBmpZo
@wintrygarden
@wintrygarden Жыл бұрын
"it's that time to talk about Mercy again", she says, sounding like she would rather scrape off her fingernails with a popsicle stick than talk about Mercy
@Skiesti
@Skiesti Жыл бұрын
LMAO pretty much, I've been talking about this too much recently...
@user-zx8zu1yh7h
@user-zx8zu1yh7h Жыл бұрын
Tbh i lose brain cells each time i read through numerous posts and comments so i feels the same
@bazzfromthebackground3696
@bazzfromthebackground3696 Жыл бұрын
@@Skiesti If definitely sucks, but her and Zen need to be addressed at some point. It feels like Blizz actively fights changing either of those support. The recent mercy change honestly felt like a troll
@LunarSovereign
@LunarSovereign Жыл бұрын
Realistically, this uproar is only because all these bot OW players saw their favorite streamers say "Mercy enables Sojourn", so they started a hate train against her. She's actually in a rough spot, and Blizzard has a bad track record of nerfing the hell out of her. People need to leave the girl alone.
@Skiesti
@Skiesti Жыл бұрын
Okay but actually like I've talked about this a little before on my stream. It's common that a creator you like says something and many people take on that opinion as well and then it just spreads like wild fire. It's a natural thing for people to do but man if it isn't exhausting
@MortChrist
@MortChrist Жыл бұрын
@@Skiesti This community is just a bunch of parrots who identifies and funnels any content creator that fits with their experience.
@dingleman8571
@dingleman8571 Жыл бұрын
The better part of this is it’s mostly bronze-gold players repeating what T500 players say, as if they’re playing the same game lol
@cosmo142
@cosmo142 Жыл бұрын
Uhhhh the bad track record of nerfing her was literally because she was busted. Idk if you were here for moth meta or 5 man rez in ow1 but that shit was literally brain damaged. You saying she has a bad track record for getting nerfed is like saying brig has a bad track record for getting nerfed… like yeah, she got nerfed, but it for a reason lol genji has such a bad track record for getting nerfed/power crept nerf genji literally became a meme, you support mains are fine with that tho that’s not a bad track record of getting nerfed only mercy lmfao
@configsisboy808
@configsisboy808 Жыл бұрын
So ideally what we want to get too is all of the char are playable and hopefully dont have like staple char that are just in every match every map
@FloralHaze
@FloralHaze Жыл бұрын
I love how you can listen to literally anybody in the overwatch community and they’ll tell you how the support role has severe issues with being underpowered/boring/no carry potential/lack of players/survivability but as soon one of them is finally “op” (which she isn’t even really it’s just highly skilled mercy players) then all of a sudden it’s game ruining. I’m so sick of dps mains who cry because they can’t mindlessly steamroll, and that a lowly mercy player DARE to challenge their egos. Okay you want dmg boost removed, what about zen orb is that too powerful? What about nano, window, or even kitsune they all increase dmg output? If everything is unhealthy for the game you’re going to end up sterilizing it with nothing interesting left
@FloralHaze
@FloralHaze Жыл бұрын
@@Mooshilu literallyyyy, the skull of the average dps player is so concave that they can’t comprehend a support hero that’s anything more than free ult charge for them. Skiesti really nailed it saying this game is part MOBA, and if they can’t come to terms with that there’s other games out there
@marspalooza4830
@marspalooza4830 Жыл бұрын
I really hope they don't listen.. Because honestly mercy is fine the way she is. She could use some buffs In certain areas. But other than that I think she's fine. And They seriously better not touch rez. It's what makes her unique.
@FloralHaze
@FloralHaze Жыл бұрын
@@marspalooza4830 what gives me hope is that they’ve talked about wanting to do class changes to support as well as a lot of hero specific changes to make all supports super strong + fun to play, so hopefully that means they’ll raise everyone to the standards of mercy/lucio/Kiriko instead of always dropping the meta supports to lower levels
@chateau_guillard
@chateau_guillard Жыл бұрын
You don't get cold because you're covered in reason.
@BossBoos697
@BossBoos697 Жыл бұрын
I don't think you should be comparing her Damage Boost to Nano, Window, and Kitsune Rush since those are ultimates even though I understand what you mean, however, the Discord Orb? Yeah I agree with you there. Everyone is talking about Mercy's Damage Boost and not talking about Zen Orb which takes less skill to pull off. With Mercy, if she is damage boosting, she is not healing and only one person is benefitting from the boost. However with Zen, he can just put a Discord Orb on anyone and still heal and do damage... Oh, and everyone on his team is benefitted by the orb. You can't even block it unless you have a shield and it has no cooldown. It is such a lazy ability.
@lewiiable
@lewiiable Жыл бұрын
i've said it before but this game caters far too much to maximising DPS players enjoyment and the majority of DPS absolutely despise the idea that Support heroes have agency/control in a teamfight outside of 'HEALBOT'
@unicornpower2411
@unicornpower2411 Жыл бұрын
Truuuuuue
@Greninka
@Greninka Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure this is the case. People seem to be much more okay with the Supports that have more agency/control in fights and directly engage with the enemy team than they are with Mercy. Heroes like Ana or Lucio really don't get the same level of vitriol.
@Arrow333
@Arrow333 Жыл бұрын
They already turned tanks into overpowered DPS with the 5 vs 5 format, so the support role is the only thing left that is not a dps. Also DPS players just tend to think they are experts because the game system is boosting their egos with the kill statistics. As long as killing enemies is valued higher than preventing those kills from happening, DPS mains think of them as the experts in this game.
@BigBoss549
@BigBoss549 Жыл бұрын
@@Arrow333 while supports didn’t turn into DPS it’s still important for them to weave in damage and confirm kills while also balancing healing and their playmaking abilities. That’s what separates good and bad support players
@Arrow333
@Arrow333 Жыл бұрын
@@BigBoss549 Of course, and that duality is something I like about the support role. But shifting the balance between support abilities and direct damage abilities towards a "Battle Mercy" (although it is fun to play sometimes) is probably not the direction this should take.
@dangerbeans9639
@dangerbeans9639 Жыл бұрын
Anytime Mercy becomes meta, people lose their shot. It’s so weird.
@Skiesti
@Skiesti Жыл бұрын
Most of the time it's not even Mercy players that start these things. They just have to end up responding to it and it's exhausting
@johnsonspark171
@johnsonspark171 Жыл бұрын
I think that's because she's literally a no-skill hero
@cvrsedhisluv
@cvrsedhisluv Жыл бұрын
@@johnsonspark171who do u play may i ask💀
@tokyosterror
@tokyosterror Жыл бұрын
@@johnsonspark171 dont see anyone complaining about nerfing junkrat tho
@AnymMusic
@AnymMusic Жыл бұрын
@@johnsonspark171 So positioning and game sense aren't skills?
@hoshift
@hoshift Жыл бұрын
the problem is 100% soj not mercy, ppl said the same with ashe until she was nerfed and mercy was a "throw pick" once again. if soj is sorted out, mercy will fade back into a specialist only pick in high ranks once again 🤷‍♂
@youacc1302
@youacc1302 Жыл бұрын
Which makes me wonder why so many mercy players are against changing blue beam. Wouldn't you want some sort of rework so your character can have some viability outside of just enabling an oppressive dps?
@jamesstrickland8696
@jamesstrickland8696 Жыл бұрын
@@youacc1302 give us an alternative to it. If there’s a way to change mercy to both be more enjoyable to play and to play against, then we will, by all means, hear you out. The mercy haters don’t want that, they want her abilities nerfed and removed without compensation.
@ignition1335
@ignition1335 Жыл бұрын
@@jamesstrickland8696 You're dumb there is legit no one that seriously is against the idea of mercy getting replacement abilities only reason you dont hear people give ideas about new ability ideas is because they're not devs and tbh most of the suggestions are just horrible
@jamesstrickland8696
@jamesstrickland8696 Жыл бұрын
@@ignition1335 I have seen many takes of people asking for mercy nerfs, not reworks. You're dumb.
@inplane9970
@inplane9970 Жыл бұрын
@@youacc1302 I just want Mercy's power budget skewed more towards being smooth to play and playing around more than 1 person. Remove Rez slow either by making it a charged skill or only available in Valk, introducing a mechanic that rewards Mercy for efficiently juggling beam priority, anything that makes her more viable when it comes to directly engaging into fights.
@jckitkat4499
@jckitkat4499 Жыл бұрын
as ive started playing mercy more and as im still in the low ranks, i have noticed that in the low ranks if your not healbotting people lose their shit. they get extremely angry at you even when its their fault they keep dying.
@tamooz6649
@tamooz6649 Жыл бұрын
I feel ya, metal ranks dont understand natural cover
@Skiesti
@Skiesti Жыл бұрын
That's because there's a misconception in the lower ranks about Mercy where people believe her healing is more useful/more powerful when that's not the case
@asai3132
@asai3132 Жыл бұрын
@@bh2520 bruh she doesnt even have a high healing output whatre you talking about
@tryingtochangemyways5074
@tryingtochangemyways5074 Жыл бұрын
Welcome to the world of support
@tryingtochangemyways5074
@tryingtochangemyways5074 Жыл бұрын
@@bh2520 What low rank mercy is flying around?You are actually facing a plat mercy if you sliver..If you are going against a really strong mercy at that level. It's because of the match making system that's giving you a player above your level..I am a Plat to diamond player and my mercy movement is horrible..I don't understand it and every tutorial is for pc players not console players
@ImKxn01
@ImKxn01 Жыл бұрын
I feel like everyone hates her simply cuz their aim isnt good enough to kill her or just get outplayed
@ignition1335
@ignition1335 Жыл бұрын
My guy even in GM people cant hit her like realistically if mercy has 5 deaths in the span of an entire game they dont play her outside of when she is meta because good mercys at most have 3 deaths at the end of a game. Just an L take because of lack of information
@San-jx1zd
@San-jx1zd Жыл бұрын
The classic brain dead response of someone who guaranteed doesn't play a hitscan. Apparently your dumba'ss forgot that hit scan have 60 damge fall off and there are only two characters the can one shot th"s b"tch which are hanzo and widowmaker. But no. It sure the fact that my aim isn't good enough. Not that she can f"king travel anywhere in the damn map and can change direction mid air without even having her ultimate.
@valkyrie2832
@valkyrie2832 Жыл бұрын
I genuinely don’t understand why people are even having this conversation. Like, this exact same thing happened before in OW1 and it was easily fixed by making Ashe not be able to one shot headshot with damage boost. Why are we repeating this same topic (but with Sojourn), and why is it Mercy’s fault this time? Mercy players shouldn’t be punished because blizzard is incapable of balancing Sojourn for some reason. I really hope Mercy does not get changed or reworked, I love her kit and am having more fun with her than ever. I wouldn’t be surprised if they do basically delete her though considering Blizzard’s track record with Mercy changes
@peiithos
@peiithos Жыл бұрын
its genuinely so easy to just. fix the breakpoints?
@kosmosfan01
@kosmosfan01 Жыл бұрын
Blizzard really is taking their sweet time balancing and then when they do address something, it's not even close to what people wanted. Who suggested the five extra bullets!?! 😆
@ignition1335
@ignition1335 Жыл бұрын
Well do you think it is good game design to have a character that can never be balanced that will always be borderline throw pick or be a must pick? because that is the problem because she is literally the definition of poor game design
@cvrsedhisluv
@cvrsedhisluv Жыл бұрын
The people saying she’s “OP” be the same ones playing Hog/bastion/sojourn.
@tamooz6649
@tamooz6649 Жыл бұрын
Whats wrong with bastion rn?
@zsideswapper6718
@zsideswapper6718 Жыл бұрын
Agreed just replace Bastion by Widow
@Sergio-th7os
@Sergio-th7os Жыл бұрын
This bot really said bastion,you are bronze-gold player at max with that statements
@miloburrows4226
@miloburrows4226 Жыл бұрын
I find it so immensely funny how Mercy was at best B tier for most people last season, but how she's now a "must-pick," and "impossible to deal with" and "op." I hold that it's still entirely Sojourn and the fact that there's all these DPS players now whining about her confirms your last statement about "if boosts rezzes, immortality etc. bothers you THAT much, find another game."
@peiithos
@peiithos Жыл бұрын
like nothing signifigant about her changed.
@justhit6673
@justhit6673 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad people are realizing everyone is pretending like they wasn't the same ones saying mercy isn't a good pick in season 1
@ignition1335
@ignition1335 Жыл бұрын
@@justhit6673 no but that is the problem though mercy is just the definition of bad game design she goes from being a throw pick today but tomorrow when they buff any of the hitscans or flying characters she instantly becomes a must pick that isn't healthy and not to mention she is also holding a lot of characters hostage and vise versa like skiesti mentioned in her video that they cant buff pharah because then pharmacy will become unstoppable
@MunchyInTechnicolor
@MunchyInTechnicolor Жыл бұрын
I just find this whole conversation ridiculous. Clearly this is a Sojourn problem, and once she's nerfed, Mercy won't be a problem anymore. Like it's that simple. The devs have made this mistake before when releasing or reworking characters, and all of these were solved by tuning their damage. Fact of the matter is, even without dmg boost in the game and if these heroes hadn't been nerfed (or in Sojourn's case if she were to remain as is), people would still be complaining about these heroes and their insane damage output. Mercy simply magnified the underlying issues that already existed.
@moth5414
@moth5414 Жыл бұрын
Imo Mercy is defined by her movement AND her Resurrect ability (Heroes Never Die'n stuff). I lover her new movement and I like the fact that I have to outsmart enemies to get off an impactful rez, however I don't like that my entire viability is tied to Sojourn. They could nerf dmg boost and buff Valkyrie and/or Resurrect (pls revert the health regen nerf too) But pretending like Mercy is the problem when we had the same shit with Ashe (mind you she is still good) is just straight up being delusional...
@marspalooza4830
@marspalooza4830 Жыл бұрын
I'd like for her to Rez at least 2 people
@Scarifar1
@Scarifar1 Жыл бұрын
@@marspalooza4830 Old Valk used to be able to let us do that, but people complained and now we're stuck with 1.
@marspalooza4830
@marspalooza4830 Жыл бұрын
@@Scarifar1 I know but people shouldn't complain so much.
@marspalooza4830
@marspalooza4830 Жыл бұрын
The fact is people need to leave mercy the hell alone. It's not fair to be weak when other supports are powerful. Supports should be buffed a bit in general.
@moth5414
@moth5414 Жыл бұрын
@@Scarifar1 tbh double instant rez was too powerful, it's sad they never tried double cast time rez tho...
@omgbutterbee7978
@omgbutterbee7978 Жыл бұрын
Let's be real, a lot of people hate Mercy because they just hate Mercy and there is NO change you can make to her aside from removing her from the game entirely that would make them happy. And then they'd just go on to the next non-hitscan-dps hero to hate and remove until we are just playing CSGO.
@Skiesti
@Skiesti Жыл бұрын
Pretty much. Everyone will always hate something about Mercy or heroes like her. This game has utility, if people don't like that and are going to complain about all of it constantly and want aim to be king, maybe OW isn't what they're looking for
@ducasse8473
@ducasse8473 Жыл бұрын
@Skiesti issue is mercy has and always will be especially egregious. She has omni directional movement on a near non-existent cooldown. A rez. A toggle-able damage boost. And she can pocket someone relatively well. There is no possible way to nerf that we've been doing this dance for years. Mercy needs a total change. In my opinion tho. As a support player in paladins. The overwatch supports are just boring and rely on stupid abilities to seem cooler. Zenyatta and lucio are literally the only fun ones with actually cool utility abilities.
@himais
@himais Жыл бұрын
@@ducasse8473 it's a matter of taste. For my taste, Zen and Lucio are one of the most uninteresting support heroes. But Mercy is a very interesting character. that's what overwatch is good for, you have a character for every taste.
@no-mb6fu
@no-mb6fu Жыл бұрын
@@Skiesti don't make the utility insanely good, and make the one supplying it unkillable
@gspeedy619
@gspeedy619 10 ай бұрын
​@@himaisIn my opinion I see Lucio and Mercy's play style pretty similar to one another both being very simple and yet hard to master support heroes
@john-paul5047
@john-paul5047 Жыл бұрын
Alright Mercy mains, since they don't like us using dmg boost and rez. I think that we should still pick mercy but use are pistol instead of dmg boost.see how they like that
@kevingriffith6011
@kevingriffith6011 Жыл бұрын
"If mercy lands a single pellet from her pistol and then Sojourn headshots me it one shots me. My break points!"
@AnymMusic
@AnymMusic Жыл бұрын
I mean, they gave her 5 extra bullets for a reason right? 😂
@-NoNo.
@-NoNo. Жыл бұрын
@@kevingriffith6011 😭😭😭😭
@john-paul5047
@john-paul5047 Жыл бұрын
@@AnymMusic exactly 💯
@RayvenFeather
@RayvenFeather Жыл бұрын
i heard someone talk about simply removing the ability for sojourn's railgun to headshot which honestly doesn't sound like a horrible idea.
@ginganinja7633
@ginganinja7633 Жыл бұрын
yeah, I saw flats mention that and I think its a good idea
@kosmosfan01
@kosmosfan01 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, Flats had the right idea there. Take the headshot away and have it do maybe 100 damage max charge.
@Jaydash-
@Jaydash- Жыл бұрын
idk how people are crying over this and not boring non-ult one shots
@zsideswapper6718
@zsideswapper6718 Жыл бұрын
Exactly! Widow literally exists.
@zsideswapper6718
@zsideswapper6718 Жыл бұрын
I really hope that they won't obliterate her next patch😦
@johnsonspark171
@johnsonspark171 Жыл бұрын
And many of us really hope they do. My two GM friends both quit due to this shit. You can't have such a no-skill hero like Mercy getting this much value. Deleting damage boost may be enough to fix her though. I think res should stay but be on a longer cool down.
@cvrsedhisluv
@cvrsedhisluv Жыл бұрын
@@johnsonspark171sounds like a skill issue to me, Nothing about mercy is that broken for people to quit. Your friends are clearly babies that are not getting their way so they leave. Look at hog/sojourn/bastion - Those are the ones that need the be nerfed.
@Maneyax
@Maneyax Жыл бұрын
@@johnsonspark171 0 skill??? i see you don't play OverWatch if you think mercy takes no skill to play. how about you pick up mercy, play her and try to get into high elo with just mercy and solo que. because if she takes no skill it would be simple and easy to get into high elo, but it isn't; as she requires a lot of skill to play. both a good handle on her movement system, when and when not to heal or blue beam, paying attention to the entire team and enemy teams ults and to know how to survive. you need a good game sense to play her well and accompanied with a good level of movement skill with her GA to be able to outmaneuver everyone who targets you (which is everyone as they all target mercy the most) the only time aiming is required is when your team doesn't have the angle to take out a low enemy or when there's a widow that only you can reach and if you think you can take her out without your team dying without you, which if you "HAVE SKILL" you can do that easily.
@Skiesti
@Skiesti Жыл бұрын
I feel like it's very unlikely tbh, I don't think anyone has anything to worry about
@AnymMusic
@AnymMusic Жыл бұрын
@@johnsonspark171 why do supports always be the ones to get nerfs? How about we lower Sojourn's headshot multiplier considering that THAT is still the breakpoint, and even with Mercy, Sojourn needs a single bullet of dmg to regain her one-shot and anyone on her team can deal that dmg. But no Mercy's dmg boost is the issue?
@stellamarie32
@stellamarie32 Жыл бұрын
"We want changes so that this player can't use an ability." ... okay...? Can we get wallhacks on ulting Widows in return? The thing that drives me nuts about the mobility complaints too is I constantly hear "Mercy is boring and simple" like all we're doing is standing around a corner holding beam, like I PROMISE I'm making more gameplay decisions and using more mechanics than your local Reaper mains...
@xChristmas1
@xChristmas1 Жыл бұрын
It's funny to me the timing that these kinds of conversations about Mercy (particularly her damage beam) occur, for example on Ashe's release or now on Sojourn's relatively recent release, and people immediately jump to the conclusion that Mercy is problematic instead of perhaps considering that heroes tend to be overtuned on release. That's kind of the whole point of balance patches (which unfortunately are a bit lacking too imo, but hey maybe I'm being an entitled gamer)
@peiithos
@peiithos Жыл бұрын
compare where mercy came in tierlists from season 1 to now. she got 5 extra bullets and .15 seconds off weapon swap. and in the tierlists she instantly went from the middle to the top tier, like hmm i WONDER WHY.
@kosmosfan01
@kosmosfan01 Жыл бұрын
People have been calling for faster balancing. The fact that Sojourn clearly needed big nerfs since the open beta but they held off for a month after release because they were considering her performance in low elos and then just did baby stuff when she did finally get nerfed felt like they just wanted to act like they were doing something for the sake of doing something.
@bazzfromthebackground3696
@bazzfromthebackground3696 Жыл бұрын
30% damage boost is a lot in any game. (As is 25% from all sources, Looking at you Zen)
@suitablestrawberry687
@suitablestrawberry687 Жыл бұрын
Sometimes supports contributing visibly to the offense seems to be treated like a crime. How dare Moira do too much damage or Zen use his discord; now how dare these Mercys boost the damage of another character. Supports should not drift down this path to become more passive members. Awkward did a video recently where he played matches as different supports and purposely did zero damage. He played several games like this and *nobody* on his team complained about it. His damage contribution was, apparently, not important.
@marchanis9797
@marchanis9797 Жыл бұрын
They always have a complain about support 🤣 just let us be
@ohnocrow
@ohnocrow Жыл бұрын
She was fine before sojourn but suddenly a new hero drops and she needs to be punished for it? How is that fair?
@cynthiahembree3957
@cynthiahembree3957 Жыл бұрын
Did you forgot they nerfed Ashe because Mercy blue beam exists? This isn't the only time blue beam has been problematic don't get me wrong Sojourn needs changes but every other hero does not and should not be punished because of blue beam. Mercy is the common denominator weather you like it or not. So yes blue beam needs changes cause everyone is being punished because of mercy not the other way around.
@ohnocrow
@ohnocrow Жыл бұрын
@@cynthiahembree3957 yes there was the Ashe situation but it’s not like they ruined Ashe at all. In fact she’s still a strong pick to this day - so both are now balanced. As far as I’m aware that’s the only other interaction where another hero had to be tuned because of damage boost?
@lawoo1411
@lawoo1411 Жыл бұрын
Also see this argument with kirko, ppl will say that she’s the reason why hog is so good bc she can just cleanse all his counters but my point of view is that kirko can cleanse every character and mercy can damage boost every character but if they are enabling 1 hero to be broken / unfair to play against out of 30+ its the other hero who’s the problem
@declanhiller4902
@declanhiller4902 Жыл бұрын
a counterpoint though is that kiriko was still good even before hog, but mercy basically relies on sojourn to be meta. mercy was fairly niche before then… so i’d say there might be some truth to kiriko being a bit overturned. but i’m conflicted cuz i play her a lot so i also don’t want her to be nerfed… and also cuz the game has felt so crap as a support, basically booting up dead by daylight everytime i play overwatch
@Sam-es2gf
@Sam-es2gf Жыл бұрын
Kiriko is good regardless. She just makes hog a monster. Nobody was complaining about Mercy before.
@amandajas6287
@amandajas6287 Жыл бұрын
"Sojourn is still OP! Nerf Mercy!" Every Mercy main: Huh?!
@doggie0819
@doggie0819 Жыл бұрын
rez is a bandage fix to one shot, it should not be touch unless widow get work on first and thats after hog and sojorun
@nathanielcollier
@nathanielcollier Жыл бұрын
I get the feeling that people don’t really want supports in the game, they complain about their utility but there are really finite things you can do to help you teammates… then they complain when they have a support with no utility and some damage / elusiveness… I like your last point, they should just go play another game
@TrueYankeeFan
@TrueYankeeFan Жыл бұрын
What you said about OW not just being an FPS (that it also has MOBA elements) is so on point. I've seen so many complaints about CC, Immortality, Anti-Healing, etc. over the years and it's refreshing to hear a top player call that out.
@lux1975
@lux1975 Жыл бұрын
“mercy’s too hard to hit with guardian angel” skill issue ❤️
@peiithos
@peiithos Жыл бұрын
esp since when she has her wings out, her hitbox is at its largest.
@jakob5067
@jakob5067 Жыл бұрын
I wonder what rank and elo you play on, in GM mercy is unkillable and always has the least deaths in All games
@kylepangilinan9075
@kylepangilinan9075 Жыл бұрын
@@jakob5067 At the expense of not providing CC, Antihealing, cleanses, burst healing, or shielding. it's a trade off.
@big_gamer1234
@big_gamer1234 Жыл бұрын
@@jakob5067well yeah no shit theyre gonna have the least amount of deaths. the whole point of mercy is to not die.
@AnymMusic
@AnymMusic Жыл бұрын
I feel like everyone just whines about dmg boost because Sojourn can now still one-shot. How about, and here me out, she gets nerfed more?? Surely it's possible to lower Sojourn's headshot multiplier. Sojourn having mobility + a right click that leaves someone with 5hp whilst be able to just spam ala high mobile widowmaker is a joke lmao. Why's it almost always people want the supports nerfed when they pair super well with a broken hero??
@ignition1335
@ignition1335 Жыл бұрын
No one is saying that sojourn isnt the problem people are just saying that mercy in terms of balancing is just a nightmare and that she should be reworked
@Ts-kc5ie
@Ts-kc5ie Жыл бұрын
There's literally always something about Mercy that people complain about 🙄 yet those same people tell me to swap off Mercy because she's a "throw pick" or dread another Mercy player in their game lol In my games its the rez range, the pocket, her movement, etc etc.... God forbid her existence 🙏
@Skiesti
@Skiesti Жыл бұрын
Mercy is terrible but also is the best and most OP and unfun hero at the same time according to the community
@ignition1335
@ignition1335 Жыл бұрын
@@Skiesti that's not good game design though to have a character that will always be a throw pick or defining the meta that also holds other characters such as pharah hostage from getting any changes
@inplane9970
@inplane9970 Жыл бұрын
@@ignition1335 That's the side effect of Mercy's Valkyrie rework. 30 CD Rez is inherently unhealthy because it's impossible to balance an ult on a basic ability. The moment Mercy's pocket dies, she can just Rez them for free unless they're absolutely trash at positioning. Afterwards, the only win condition she and her pocket has is not dying within the next 20 seconds. People have been proposing another rework for Mercy since Valk's current state is abysmal. Blizz hasn't been listening for over half the decade, so people really need to take it up to the devs.
@xoxopenquin
@xoxopenquin Жыл бұрын
Non mercy players when they have to have one negative experience, nuff said
@tyhjyys
@tyhjyys Жыл бұрын
swear everytime a hero becomes fun /and/ useful, blizzard screws everything up too much. i genuinely find it goofy when people act like supports are braindead if they fit a meta when they actually still have the highest skill ceilings. but go off people it's the supports fault and not one of your many available hitscan dps' issue
@Horrorbear91
@Horrorbear91 Жыл бұрын
I truly only have a problem with Rez because if its inconsistency. I have played my fair share of her since the game came out and it’s only been with overwatch 2 that it feels clunky and inconsistent to me. I can’t tell you the number of times I get booped less than a foot away and my Rez stops. But I can see other mercy’s get booped to mars or killed and it still works. Again, it’s only felt weird since OW2. Maybe because it’s faster paced now or something but yeah.
@emilyn8903
@emilyn8903 Жыл бұрын
People call her the weakest/easiest character but then want to change her for the worse
@justhit6673
@justhit6673 Жыл бұрын
Yes easy characters shouldn't be broken hard characters should be
@ignition1335
@ignition1335 Жыл бұрын
@@justhit6673 no character balance shouldnt be decided by what is hard to play and what isn't why? because that is subjective personally i think that junkrat is hard to make work in high rank because its not like hitscan just point and click since you actually have to think to consistently hit shots and not lose ur 1s but that doesn't mean that he automatically gets a green card to be the next meta character while yes i believe that mercy in her current state should be one of those characters that are blacklisted from being meta because of her dmg boost and rez having little to no counter play and mercy almost being viable against any team composition which is why i think she needs a rework (you nerf/replace blue beam and rez she is still the same character but rework her movement and she will feel like a completely new character so keep movement)
@big_gamer1234
@big_gamer1234 Жыл бұрын
@@justhit6673yeah sojourn the hardest character ever should be op
@justhit6673
@justhit6673 Жыл бұрын
@@big_gamer1234 shes not the hardest but she is hard
@justhit6673
@justhit6673 Жыл бұрын
@@ignition1335 still don't you think its a bit odd if a character as easy as mercy stays meta? And a character that is extremely difficult like genji struggles? I don't think it should be meta defining but someone who can turn their brain off getting 10x value than someone who's being precise is a little insane
@B1izs
@B1izs Жыл бұрын
the way noone talked about mercy when she wasnt meta
@peppermint_latte
@peppermint_latte Жыл бұрын
I really liked when they did the experimental rework with her aaaaaaaaages ago that gave her a mini valk on E allowing her to fly around for a handful of seconds. I just thought that was really fun. I'm not sure what they could even actually replace her rez with though, if they were to remove it.
@tryingtochangemyways5074
@tryingtochangemyways5074 Жыл бұрын
I have zero problem with mercy.I only hate broken widowmaker..Mercy doesn't hard carry or make a whole team hide in a corner hoping you get to play the game..Mercy doesn't spawn camp you either..Mercy actually let's you play the game
@weenewsboy
@weenewsboy Жыл бұрын
but but those 5 extra bullets are what made her op all of a sudden...
@ValkyrianWyverian
@ValkyrianWyverian Жыл бұрын
I don't really care too much what happens with her balance, so long as they don't mess with her movement/GA. Like you said. Idk. Like I remember how insufferable it was dealing with 50 hp/s, and I still played her regardless. At this point, if the devs are contemplating any more nerfs to res; just replace it. Thanks.
@thirdeyyye
@thirdeyyye Жыл бұрын
As a fellow support main and someone who enjoys playing Moira (and Mercy of course), I would absolutely not be in favor of any sort of damage boost meter. When my spray meter is all tapped out because my team is taking on a shit ton of damage and/or the enemy has long range DPS that I can’t reach with my biotic grasp, I have to swap to Mercy. And it’s annoying in those scenarios that I have to get off Moira. So I can only imagine how dumb it would feel to have any sort of meter on Mercy. I hope this latest Mercy whining fest runs its course sooner rather than later. The changes proposed, if implemented, would greatly benefit only a tiny fraction of the player pool.
@SocialExperiment232
@SocialExperiment232 Жыл бұрын
The problem is that she isn’t a problem! I don’t see how so many people aren’t seeing this! As you said her rez is about the only counter to one shots. I don’t even play mercy and I think it’s stupid how much hate she gets. The heroes that one shot are the problem. Just make it so dmg boost doesn’t affect one shot abilities. Problems solved.
@mattponce3837
@mattponce3837 Жыл бұрын
The ones that complain about mercy are mostly the ones that don’t play mercy and don’t realize how difficult it is to get value as mercy when other supports have so much more utility for the entire team
@MySecretKingdom
@MySecretKingdom Жыл бұрын
I remember this conversation back when Ashe was released and they fixed the problem by nerfing Ashe into a still playable state, so if they do the same to Sojourn everything should work it’s way back to normal Still, it would be nice to have an ability I can use more than once every ten years tho ^^*
@ivyproductions7097
@ivyproductions7097 Жыл бұрын
8:21 “Don’t nerf the cooldown or you’ll destroy the ability” 😭
@GaoLiOnTheRocks
@GaoLiOnTheRocks Жыл бұрын
I still think it's not Mercy's kit, it's misogyny. They are annoyed at her low skill floor and mobility, even though Lucio is easier and his mobility doesn't rely on a team. They call her terrible, because she doesn't aim, but they love Reinhardt. They hate damage boost but have no problem with Zenyatta discord. Krow made a video on One Tricks in Overwatch 1 and 2, called "I counted how many one tricks there are in Top500 Overwatch 2." Mercy was 6th place behind Brigitte, Wrecking Ball, Torbjorn, Mei, and Doomfist. She was more popular among two-tricks, but supports only had 7 characters to choose from in Ow 1. Yet a lot of people concentrate on her. Mercy isn't the issue, it's that so many, often male, players think those who play as her have to be female and they don't want them in their space. sorry long comment
@Scarifar1
@Scarifar1 Жыл бұрын
You say Lucio is easier, but I honestly don't know what to do with him. I can't understand how to use his ability to wallride, and I have a decent amount of respect for anyone who does. And yes, people are just riding the hate train for Mercy at this point when it seems to me that few people know what they're actually talking about when it comes to her kit. Oh, damage boost is OP? Bitch, it's been in the game since OW's release, it's not Mercy's fault the OW team can't balance Sojourn. Rez is OP? Bitch, try actually using rez and see how difficult it is to pull off. Oh, it doesn't have counterplay? You mean like how being oneshot by many other heroes in the game have no counterplay? Valk is too mobile? Then what about Tracer or Wrecking Ball or Lucio who don't even need an ult to be highly mobile? At this point I feel like they're just hating on anything that comes off as even remotely annoying to fight against, like Mercy should just be a training bot dummy instead.
@thefinalpam_
@thefinalpam_ Жыл бұрын
say it louder for the Andrew T*te fans standing in the back
@szo82
@szo82 Жыл бұрын
@@Scarifar1 I recommend watching lucio gameplay (doesnt need to be insane lucio main gameplay) just a regular one where you can pick of the basics, you can also try to practice him in quickplay. I used to not like and use lucio because of that but when i practiced a little I managed to find the way how to do it.
@-NoNo.
@-NoNo. Жыл бұрын
Svb made a video about this a long time ago. It’s a hard pill to swallow and some people might even call you dumb for saying this but this is the truith, it’s undeniable at this point that at least some of the hate she receives comes from sexism and homophobia. Nobody criticized rein players or Winston players but yet mercy is always a problem to them
@matthewsukkau382
@matthewsukkau382 Жыл бұрын
See you're just looking at it the wrong way. Let the salt flow! The haters are just bad and they should feel bad. Also, this is bad enough, @No No pulling out the homophobia card is just laughable.
@-NoNo.
@-NoNo. Жыл бұрын
I’ve always said that I don’t care if rez and damage boost are replaced as long as mercy remains a viable pick and gets a rework to compensate. With that being said this conversation is exhausting because it’s just people hating on mercy and never even begin to mention zenyatta and how his discord is mathematically 5 times more unhealthy than mercy beam…
@user-zx8zu1yh7h
@user-zx8zu1yh7h Жыл бұрын
With current dev team there could be no good reworks. Time to let ow go…
@DjZephy
@DjZephy Жыл бұрын
How is it "mathematically 5 times more unhealthy?" Are you assuming the entire team is going to be targeting that one discorded enemy? That is rarely the case. Also mercy gets aoe damage boost during her ULT which has the greatest uptime of any ultimate ability by far.
@-NoNo.
@-NoNo. Жыл бұрын
@@DjZephy that is not rarely the case and happens quite often, even if only 2 people (zen and a dps) shoot a discorded target, they instantly blow up. Especially tanks who suffer most from the chokehold that discord puts in place.
@nothingtoseehere2
@nothingtoseehere2 Жыл бұрын
@@DjZephy a zen keeps his discord on the tank most of the time, then the tank permanently takes 25% more damage sure the tank could break los for a couple seconds, but that's a long time and you end up giving up a ton of space, and even if you did break los he'd just put it back on you sure you could dive the zen but not everyone wants to play dive also mercys ult isn't even that good lmao you're just bad
@linkplays2952
@linkplays2952 Жыл бұрын
no zen is completely different when zen orbs a person u can only one shot that person in particular then u have to get your zen to orb another squishy that u want to kill mercy on the other hand just holds rc and u and after a few shots on the tank you can just one tap any support you want. also zen has an easy counter of basically any dive tank or flank mercy on the other hand with anything but hit scan (and even that) with good movement is nearly impossible to kill
@xilefm-4517
@xilefm-4517 Жыл бұрын
On the topic of making Rez only usable during Valk, maybe if that was the case Mercy's E could be a contextual ability, where it would be Rez dying Valk, but Mercy would have an entirely different E normally. I don't know what that ability would be exactly though. A fun, if lazy idea, would be a mini-valk esque ability that would activate her self healing, give a brief boost of movement speed and make her have free movement flight for a few seconds.
@RubberDucky152
@RubberDucky152 Жыл бұрын
Finally, shit I've been saying since 2019 has come to light and is a topic of conversation: Rez is useless cause there are so few occasions to do it safely, DMG boost is a problem being her only useful output for multitudes of reasons (She is then locked to the matchmaker for good DPS players to win/get value or a meta where she turbo pockets one hero), although not mentioned in the video, Her healing is terrible, Valk DOESN'T DO ANYTHING, Glock IS NEVER USED, GA as it stands is fun and satisfying, but the rest of the hero is a glaring trrain wreck with one useable part of her kit which is deemed busted as soon as a DPS is an issue. Mercy has had NO competitive integrity since about 2018 just after valk came out, ever since then you CANNOT solo queue climb with the hero regardless of how good you are as a player. Your SR gain is entirely down to MM and getting good teammates to pocket. It was like it in OW1, still is in OW2 and won't go away till DMG boost/pocketing goes, her healing gets turbo buffed and valk and rez aren't garbage.
@Burr_
@Burr_ Жыл бұрын
I am terrified of every mercy I see in Overwatch because of how good she is (i think)
@Skiesti
@Skiesti Жыл бұрын
You're doing great Bear, that's what they're saying on Twitter LMAO
@bo_unerro
@bo_unerro Жыл бұрын
There are so many cool options to replace rez with. She could have a burst of increased healing/dmg boost on a cooldown. A dual stream ability of heals and dmg boost would also be awesome. This is my favorite, because it gives her some parallel to Moira. They have a similar relationship to Zen/Ram, it just hasn’t been taken advantage of nearly as much. I hate the idea of charging dmg boost by healing, though. If anything she should charge a burst heal by boosting damage to help new players understand that dmg boosting is her primary function.
@Defa_Noob
@Defa_Noob Жыл бұрын
We Mercy mains don't ask for much but everyone wants her abilities neutered because she can pocket Sojourn and if they take away her mobility she's left with basically nothing.
@JournalEntries_
@JournalEntries_ Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't mind some reworks to Mercy but I would be sad to see them be offensive abilities. Mercy as a character is a pacifist by nature and I enjoy her playstyle being centered around aiding your partners over trying to kill your enemies. (Though the occasional battle Mercy can be fun 😆😆😆) Good point at the end about Overwatch not being only a fps game. I'm starting to think someone needs to make a Call of Duty where you play as cute anime girls because I'm starting to think that's what these people want. 😅
@Dr_Lazarus
@Dr_Lazarus Жыл бұрын
I think it would be great if mercy had a Flash or blinding ability like in the short cinimatic where she is flying at the target, Faling that replace it with something like Pharaoh has allowing her to jump into the air without a target.
@itznordak
@itznordak Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure if she gave an attack speed boost instead that would be way worse than a damage boost not only because of the example you gave but also attack speed is just a different version of a damage boost and overall could actually be stronger than the damage boost because some characters like junkrat and pharah could benefit more from that instead. like characters in a kiriko ult can already be a threat simply because of the attack speed boost.
@bre_me
@bre_me Жыл бұрын
How about we stop trying to balance Mercy around Sojourn? Balance Sojourn, not Mercy. Mercy is fine.
@Skiesti
@Skiesti Жыл бұрын
I'd like to see Soj balanced and then if necessary, Mercy adjusted afterward
@bre_me
@bre_me Жыл бұрын
@@Skiesti Sure, though I personally don't have an issue with Sojourn one shotting with a Mercy boost headshot... it's not like even 99% of players are getting those shots in reliably
@Vexilis
@Vexilis Жыл бұрын
I would actually like to see Mercy's movement to be buffed to be able to move more freely when she GAs. Probably let mercy control her movement during GA so we can do some kind of zig zag mid flight instead of just a straight path.
@Scarifar1
@Scarifar1 Жыл бұрын
I mean, we technically can do that a little bit. It's quite simple to make a sudden turn in our flight path to throw off people's aim (though we can only do it once every GA). You know, like pressing crouch while GA'ing to shoot straight up, or holding shift while pressing a direction key to move in said direction, or even just looking in another direction and pressing space.
@spookyow
@spookyow Жыл бұрын
What a brain dead idea. Her movement is already broken.
@jeyoonlee2819
@jeyoonlee2819 Жыл бұрын
I loved the mercy showdown at the end
@CozKidNumber1
@CozKidNumber1 Жыл бұрын
I have nearly 1000 hours on Mercy, and I really like how she feels right now. But I also wouldn't really mind if Rez got replaced, preferably with some sort of AOE healing option, like temporary Valk beam chaining or something. I get that her entire "thing" is only having to do one thing at a time, but I think giving her a non-ultimate option to heal multiple people would do wonders for her.
@devine5902
@devine5902 Жыл бұрын
Everytime people complain about Mercy she gets worked on and it’s usually not in a good way I’m scared 😢😅
@zolofo607
@zolofo607 Жыл бұрын
Take away rez and give me little bombs to drop out of the sky lmao 🤣🤣
@QueenLizby
@QueenLizby Жыл бұрын
Everyone looks at mercy ON PAPER when it comes to their "nerf/rework mercy" kicks... But in practice she's much different than she is on paper
@Skiesti
@Skiesti Жыл бұрын
Pretty much. They exaggerate Mercy or they remember very rare and specific instances where a Mercy isn't kept in check and apply that to all Mercy's over every rank all the time which just... Isn't realistic
@BFG-rr9cv
@BFG-rr9cv Жыл бұрын
I'd replace res with something more useful, dmg boost should stay exactly where it is.
@pixelhotdish
@pixelhotdish Жыл бұрын
Love the content! I would actually kinda enjoy something in place of Rez that pops up more often, and gives me another little ability to have available in team fights. I like playing Mercy, but do find myself wishing I had something more to do.
@jakjak9797
@jakjak9797 Жыл бұрын
If people are so bothered by mercy damage boost and the developers don’t want to lower Sojourn (because let’s be real, she’s still a little too strong even now) and reallocate some other dps’ power into other parts of their kit so mercy blue beam can’t allow one-shots on 200hp targets.. then how about taking away the ability for anything mercy is damage boosting to headshot/critical-hit then buffing damage boost to 40% and allowing it to lessen falloff damage on hitscans (say by 25%), making it so nothing she is boosting can one-shot, but she still has a powerful and impactful ability.. that way mercy can be just as viable without enabling one-shot breakpoints, and her damage boost will be stronger with projectile dps characters which she has historically been less effective paired-up with, she’ll also both empower characters like echo and pharah per burst of damage, whilst actually making it easier on any hitscan she pockets to get reliable bodyshot damage at further range on those pocketed flyers, creating a better interaction overall, especially in lower ranks. it’ll also make mercy damage boost easier to balance with, since no heroes she pairs with can have abnormal spikes in output that has to be balanced around incase that hero is pocketed by a mercy
@linneasandstrom300
@linneasandstrom300 Жыл бұрын
I think Mercy is fine where she is I also think DPS characters should be rewarding if you have improved your aim I also feel like its in her kit to beam someone that gets value out of it. Even then, the value out of the beam isnt consistant. I dont want the game to go into this "Constant jail-free card" where doing mistakes over and over doesnt get punished and the matches goes on for longer then they should. All of the characters should have their ups and downs, but they should also have their "I can stop the teamfight by doing this or that"
@toxic_icecream
@toxic_icecream Жыл бұрын
Mercy has been fine for years and now with all these new players she is somehow broken. Also any suggestions that come from community are even worse than we have now. I can bet that simply tweaking the existing abilities will be enough. For example why does it have to res with full hp or why does have to immobilise you?
@DjZephy
@DjZephy Жыл бұрын
Yes, slightly more mobility during Rez would be great and decreasing the cast time. It feels like the sound and animation end before the resurrect actually happens so just like .3 seconds faster would be a huge difference.
@godofwar642
@godofwar642 Жыл бұрын
love your content Skiesti ❤
@Rhynx
@Rhynx Жыл бұрын
I’ve heard a suggestion where revival becomes a sort of AoE cleanse and putting ressurect in the place of the ultimate, don’t know about this, but it’d be cool for another character to be able to cleanse effects.
@likenoother6561
@likenoother6561 Жыл бұрын
Her ultimate is so strong though I don't want it replaced.
@jonathansutherland5242
@jonathansutherland5242 Жыл бұрын
Rez as a counter to oneshots makes Mercy a must pick, which I believe making any hero a must pick is an issue. We should all get to play a hero we want to play, not be forced to choose a hero or be throwing.
@MerisaChanify
@MerisaChanify Жыл бұрын
hearing you talk about rez like this really opened my eyes, not gonna lie. i didn't even realize how little i'm actually using it. i always said she'd need something to actually protect her teammates instead of bringing them back to life but my ideas were so similar to what kiriko suzu is now so i can't even think of something to make her better. i hope her movement won't get stunted but i have a feeling that it might be, given blizzard's track record
@tu_seebs1287
@tu_seebs1287 Жыл бұрын
Hey Skiesti, I absolutely love you're vidoes! You make me feel like support is so rewarding when I watch you. It's a break from all the teammates in competitive 😅 I'm trying to improve myself, who do you think are the best supports to play alongside a Ramatraa?
@Patricwithnok
@Patricwithnok Жыл бұрын
9:06 THANK YOU! People always say "THIS IS AN FPS" no bro it's a Moba with FPS controls
@imperiumVII
@imperiumVII Жыл бұрын
If tanks and DPS players are gonna bitch this much about being cucked by heals or utility, why don't we just remove the support role? 😂 (No don't do that)
@kaiirynn8987
@kaiirynn8987 Жыл бұрын
I think instead of a rez, something similar to Kiriko's cleanse could be interesting. I think it really leans into the guardian angel concept.
@spookyow
@spookyow Жыл бұрын
Yes, let’s ruin the game more by duplicated the most broken CD in the game and giving it to another hero.
@big_gamer1234
@big_gamer1234 Жыл бұрын
@@spookyowsmartest naruto fan
@Itzmebryy
@Itzmebryy Жыл бұрын
its all genji's fault nerf genji
@Skiesti
@Skiesti Жыл бұрын
Real, nerf Genji
@DesperatePoncho
@DesperatePoncho Жыл бұрын
I had this random idea that I think could be cool. Her E could be a single target golden invuln frame outside of valk. Sort of like a single target suzu. It would have to be within res range so that mercy would be vulnerable to use this, but it would give her a way to compete with other supports tempo changing abilities like nade, lamp and suzu. Valkyrie could temporarily grant en extra charge of the E cooldown and also transform it into resurrection when used on a dead ally. This means there is a possibility to have 2 resses. But it may be better to use it on a living ally to protect them to begin with and there's only 15secs to use these potential resses. As for damage boost, maybe they could ramp up the damage the longer it's held down. Starting at 15% going up to 30% There should some time before the amped ally returns to being 15% For example, you pocket an Ashe for 5 seconds and you've ramped up the damage boost to full potential. You should be able to switch targets briefly and not lose your progress with that character. Maybe there could be a 2 sec delay before it starts deteriorating. They could add audio cues as feedback for the player to tell how ramped up their beam is. This kind of change would give mercy power in her Valkyrie and dial back some of her power elsewhere that people are getting annoyed about. It also allows more room for tweaking breakpoints and timings etc
@GaoLiOnTheRocks
@GaoLiOnTheRocks Жыл бұрын
This would make Reinhardt or Genji invulnerable. Imagine blade but no chance to stop it.
@eviebutlak2476
@eviebutlak2476 Жыл бұрын
If they take away her dmg boost and expect mercy to use her gun as her other other thing beside her healing beam it would be literally so bad. I main mercy so my sensitivity is nuts and it's usually impossible for me to aim. Could just be a skill issue or maybe just me but I think a lot of people, especially lower level mercy players, would struggle and only use her heal beam.
@Khaoscntrl
@Khaoscntrl Жыл бұрын
As a VERY new player who started only 2 weeks ago I hardly have a leg to stand on in this conversation with people who have been playing for yearsssss. But, I’m maining support preatty much exclusively and I’ve climbed to silver so I have SOME knowledge.I hated mercy when I started, she was easy to understand but so squishy I hated playing her when I had characters like Moira,Kiriko,or Lucio who danced around the opposition. Then I learned the game, I learned cover, when to fight when to hide and how to move and use Mercy from your guides and she’s probably my second fave now. I honestly could perhaps understand a slight nerf to her beam, if it’s truly a number crunch thing. But I honestly feel like her kits fine, she’s got an ease of understanding with highhhhhh skill ceiling. I don’t understand the dislike of res, like you mentioned it’s not a constant thing. There’s an audio hint from most characters explaining you got someone up, the only time you can turn the tides of battle with it strongly is when your being cheeky. Using cover, flanking into the enemy team and getting a sneaky reaper/tracer res for example. Otherwise you can punish a fessing mercy SO HARD, engage in anyway when I’m not behind cover…I’m dead. Idk she doesn’t seem very unbalanced, I wouldn’t mind trading some beam for more defense or offense I guess but the rest of her kit seems fine. Just need tanks to stop spamming heals at me now 😂
@Phoenix_NH
@Phoenix_NH Жыл бұрын
What are your thoughts on this idea for changing the mercy pocket: make it so her staff starts higher on a target before ramping down to lower levels. The only way to reset this is time off of your ally (say 1.5-2 seconds) where you can spend that time on another ally with their own “cooldown timer”. So the more “effective” way is to fly around going between different allies. That way you can pocket a pharah or soj but it isn’t as strong. It also encourages strong usage of her mobility and the “guardian angel” aesthetic of swooping in at the 11th hour to save an ally. Would love to hear thoughts about this!
@kosmosfan01
@kosmosfan01 Жыл бұрын
It's funny how Mercy is getting so much attention now after being label bottom tier for a few months because of Sojurn but even without her, you'll still die because Sojourn could just love tap you after the headshot. Also, screw one shots 😆
@Rini2g
@Rini2g Жыл бұрын
The real problem is Soujorn
@pokemettilp8872
@pokemettilp8872 Жыл бұрын
This has aged like fine wine, they of course did the complete opposite
@galacticgodzilla1081
@galacticgodzilla1081 Жыл бұрын
Honestly I was thinking her second ability could be a cleanse that, either in healing state gives a healing buff similar to anna's Nade or in damage boost will leave a lingering damage boost for a couple of seconds.
@kittysrule
@kittysrule Жыл бұрын
honestly, with you 100%. As long as I keep the movement, I don't care. I kept playing her after all her many reworks and will continue to do so as long as I get to keep flying around minding my own business
@big_gamer1234
@big_gamer1234 Жыл бұрын
i just returned to ow like a month ago after a few years of not playing, and i was really shocked to see that i was getting hate for playing mercy in qp, bc back in ow1 she was loved by most of the community
@ragingangel13
@ragingangel13 Жыл бұрын
I feel like if Sojourn’s railgun does 195 crit damage when being boosted by Mercy like how Ashe is now, the problem would be fixed.
@JM7900
@JM7900 Жыл бұрын
So damage boost is a problem at high ranks and res is a problem at low ranks.
@harrisonmccartney4878
@harrisonmccartney4878 Жыл бұрын
I feel like too many complaints about OW heros come from people who never touch those heroes or those roles, and the consequence is that rather than hearing feedback from players who use those characters as to what feels good and what sucks, Blizzard just broadly nerfs stuff to keep other roles happy, which is stupid. The only time Blizzard listens to the people who play those roles is when they regress the character with nerfs until they're borderline unplayable. I don't think that's how it should work.
@gingercat2918
@gingercat2918 Жыл бұрын
nerf soujourn, and the problem would be gone.
@judebrown3588
@judebrown3588 Жыл бұрын
I'm a GM tank/DPS player and I can say for certain Mercy is NOT the problem, it's just damage boost in general (zen included). For characters like Ana and Bap it's fine since it's an ultimate and you aren't seeing it every second. Although Mercy being able to fly around like a race car might be annoying it's pretty much needed because I remember how stiff her movement was in OW1 for years with Superjump being her only saving grace, you could maybe tune down how fast she's moving just a bit, but even then that's risking it. Mercy was also more prevalent in waaay more Meta's than most people talk about or remember. When they made Cass shoot like a machine gun Mercy was the pick to damage boost, Ashe one shot Mercy was the enabler, when widow was meta and a strong pick she would pocket widow to make her unkillable, when they overbuffed Genji and made his shuriken do 30 dmg she became meta, When soldier was first reworked she was a strong pick to dmg boost, when they buffed junkrat she was meta for the dmg boost spam bombs, when hero bans were a thing so Pharmercy thrived, now it's happening again with Sojourn. Mercy was terrible until there was someone she could damage boost, that doesn't make Mercy broken it just makes damage boost broken, however since it is part of her kit it does ultimately make her broken when the time comes. We're in a 5v5 scenario where the game is much more fast paced and kill reliant, Mercy being able to revive people with full hp and cooldowns is not good, you don't need to remove rez however you can change it to where they only revive with 50-60% of their max hp, with no cooldowns, and make rez cooldown shorter by 5 seconds so it can be used more often. The amount of boosted dps players I've seen go from Plat and Diamond to GM/T500 from playing Sojourn with a pocket Mercy is ridiculous, the same goes for the boosted Mercy players who duo with Sojourn players for easy wins and think they're good. I should not look at someones profile and see from OW1 they were a low plat player for multiple seasons, come OW2 they're suddenly rank 139 DPS who main Sojourn with a pocket, it's disgusting. You can tell they are still bad because they lack game sense, coordination, and understanding of the game but win because of a poorly designed hero who gets free buffs and heals from another player. The problem is Sojourn, damage boost is the second problem. they could even mess around with a damage reduction beam for Mercy in experimental and see how that works since I don't think it's possible for them to nerf it so it's not oppressive without making it bad.
@jakob5067
@jakob5067 Жыл бұрын
I love this comment, as a GM4 DPS and masters tank. I think this captures all the problems and metas with the game. Satisfying finding a comment that thinks the same way as me. Specially the boosted DPS AND mercy players in GM and top 500 by just having broken design combos
@NaviniusGames
@NaviniusGames Жыл бұрын
Would be cool if instead of Res she had an ability on same cooldown that prevents death for beam target for like 3 seconds but they still take damage like lamp. Maybe heal target also gets increased healing received buff like from Ana nade. So this fills similar roll to res but is proactive.
@Draken4
@Draken4 Жыл бұрын
Mercy's kit did nothing wrong, it's the balance team themselves. When ow2 came out she was considered weak. Then she got 5 extra ammo... Now explain to me how Mercy's kit here is the issue.... Pls I'm wating.
@PhaxtolgiaLetsPlay
@PhaxtolgiaLetsPlay Жыл бұрын
I'm sure I'm in the super-minority now when I say this, but bring back Mercy's rez as an ult. The experimental patch back in early 2022 was onto something when they made Valk a normal ability and Resurrect an ult. That design also just generally makes more sense too.
@pnknwhte
@pnknwhte Жыл бұрын
honestly i agree. keep movement everything else can be gutted it’s so fun using GA
@RiskyRez
@RiskyRez Жыл бұрын
Maybe for a Rez alternative u can make it so that in mercy’s normal state she gets like a burst heal that can cleanse and when she ults into valk it could be turned into Rez if u go towards a dead ally but if u use it on an ally that’s alive it’s a powered up burst heal so that it can heal more cause valk is supposed to boost all her abilities
@Atsuru
@Atsuru Жыл бұрын
The mercy issue really just boils down to "tell me you just want supports to heal 100% of the time without telling me you want me to heal you 100% of the time". I think most of the OW community knows that supports are not healers, but that doesn't mean they don't actually wish they didn't have any impact beyond healing. People hate kiriko because of her survivability and utility. People hate mercy because of her damage boost and res. Apparently people even hate zen's damage boost orb. Strip all these skills out and kiriko only heals and has kunais, mercy actually only heals and zen has his kick and a heal orb. The common thread here is that it's all the non-healing skills that are ever complained about. But if you ever ask a Tank/DPS player to switch to support, it's always because "support's too boring". Yeah, because you're spectating the team and heal botting. No one finds that entertaining. Skills like suzu, damage boost and discord orb are the only ways to reach out and have any semblance of input on the game. And if that's the case, you might as well just slap a passive regen on every character and delete the role entirely.
@flareb99
@flareb99 Жыл бұрын
Why don't people keep this same energy for Zen and Ana?
@tomashoney6780
@tomashoney6780 Жыл бұрын
People complaining that mercy is OP Meanwhile Roadhog is a self healing, indestructible, one shot tank…
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