Why GPAs are a JOKE |

[@JoshuaFluke1]

Obviously if you have a good GPA, put it on your resume, just don't think it will carry you. And if you don't have a good GPA? Don't put it on your resume. Simple as that. The real test at the end of the day is the code test, or engineering test they give you. That's the true Final boss before you get a job.

[@JordonDev]

My stats in Call of Duty mean more than GPA

[@JoshuaFluke1]

@@JordonDev agreed

[@hrlady1]

*As well as how much they like you and see potential in you during your interview

[@quinnpeterson6782]

I have a 3.0 sadly

[@JoshuaFluke1]

The scenario you present won't happen. I'll take the person with a better personality than grades.

[@Diego0wnz]

But spending 60k and 4 years to show dedication is a bit much, I could just show them my wow account which showcases more dedication than college

[@Zenkaiii4]

The only reason I care about my GPA is scholarships. It makes college in my area very affordable to do well.

[@JoshuaFluke1]

For that absolutely. But in terms of getting a job, irrelevant to ability.

[@gangatalishis]

Very good point I haven’t even thought about that.

[@firesidecode9065]

Came to say this.

[@sludgeman]

As someone that it’s not from the US but decided to study CS in here, I was surprised of how many opportunities are open when you have a good GPA. I was able to join an honors “team” where some members were even offered full scholarship to Stanford. I was a minimum effort student at high school so I guess I never saw the benefit in good grades before

[@nemosnemo8869]

GPA is reflection of how hard you work. At the top schools in the top courses (medicine, law etc), everyone is smart. If you stand out, it’s because you put the work in. I studied law at university including the bar and thanks to scholarships it cost me $3kin total. $8k if you include my masters from Cambridge. I am now away to study medicine for $10k in total. It matters for scholarships but it also matters for jobs if you actually study a vocational degree. I get that in CS it might be different as there is so much available on the internet but Josh is wrong about this one. Keep working on the grades, getting the scholarships and then all the best jobs at the end of it.

[@sahil9454]

Graduated a couple months ago and started a company. I often wonder whether going to college to learn CS was even worth it. 95% of my learning was from KZbin. I think the most important skill is learning how to learn new things.

[@John_DaMan]

@Braxton Payne me too haha

[@fdsafdsafdsafdsafd]

Uh huh

[@seething1361]

See you back at your job.

[@Simba365]

Where did you learn from in youtube I'm trying to be self taught

[@sahil9454]

@@Simba365 what would you like to learn? Ive been coding since more than 4 years so I had a fair amount of time to learn. Started with coding HTML CSS JS for front end and Python for back end and machine learning. Also start with Data Structures and Algorithms, great to know the basics. Start collaborating with different people while working on projects (for eg you being the front end guy and someone else being the backend guy or vice versa). The more projects you work on the more you learn. Over time you'll start developing a taste for what kind of work you like to do.

[@Optimistas777]

Everyone say hi to the HR lady in the background

[@opus53waldstein70]

she will not notice ;)

[@codingwithbobby8340]

hi hr lady

[@southernkatrina8161]

She has a nice basement. Renting out your place, Josh?

[@strangeclouds7]

@@southernkatrina8161 He said in previous videos he was prepping to rent his house

[@codingwithbobby8340]

@@southernkatrina8161 he said it wasnt her basement. She lives in an apartment

[@kevsongsandarrangements]

Indeed! I definitely had that mindset in college of working hard to get all A’s, and being seen as “smart.” I realize after two years in the real world that I’m not actually that smart, I just knew how to get good grades and the grades I got were because of focus and determination in my subject area. It’s about effort and how hard you’re willing to work. GPA doesn’t measure how good of a human being or how much of a team player somebody is. Great video!

[@Russel172]

Completing a project on deadline and memorizing for exams are totally different skills

[@noonehere4332]

Education is bullshit. Is there really a reason that a janitor, truck driver, or plumber needs to know that the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell? Most things you learn in school you don’t actually need for the job.

[@tauqeerhussain3586]

You single handedly illustrated almost all the problems in Indian Engineering Colleges in one video

[@ganeshvenkatachalam3203]

Sadly GPA still matters in India

[@tauqeerhussain3586]

@@ganeshvenkatachalam3203 I know it does, that's also a big part of the problem. But everything he described about the relationships between professors and students is accurate. I've experienced that at first hand and I'm sure many others have, too

[@ashwinarora7561]

@@ganeshvenkatachalam3203 It won't matter if you don't let it. I work as a software engineer in Delhi and I have not even collected my degree from college.

[@IkshuNarang]

Every student knows these points but India is run by "big boomer companies". Indian education system is irrelevant af

[@avantikaroy5146]

And schools and coaching institues. Frickin IIM's ask for your whole education background. It's a joke basically.

[@doggydude4123]

In the Civil Engineering world, GPA is important for internships and getting your first entry level job. After that, it doesn't matter. It's a metric these companies use to weed out a lot entry level applicants. It's a poor metric to use but when you don't have any experience, it's the only thing you got.

[@ashwinarora7561]

I actually know people who's careers are ruined because they had a really good GPA. The mistake they did was they become dependent on their GPA, and when you depend on your GPA to carry you, you get hired by boomer companies. Next thing you know you are a corporate simp, looking to hire more corporate simps with good GPA.

[@ranjansengupta6372]

"Boomer Companies" My head hurts with immediate realization.

[@ashleywilkonson386]

Nobody's career gets ruined because they got hired by a boomer company. It gets ruined if you stay there.

[@bilalhamadi430]

When I see you guys talking about a universities and instituts as MIT and their gpa doesn't really matter what can I say about the fucken college where I am studying

[@ashwinarora7561]

@@ashleywilkonson386 I completely agree, I'm myself in a boomer company right now, but not for long.

[@genesisalexandria7506]

@@ashleywilkonson386 why does it ruin you?

[@strangeclouds7]

Never had an employer ask what my GPA was. All they care about is if you graduated or not.

[@CameronCobb]

I don’t have a degree and I still got my software developer job. If you can pass the coding interview and know what the job is wanting, you’ll be fine.

[@matturner6890]

I didn't graduate and just say I "completed grade 12" and so far, no problems at all. None.

[@CameronCobb]

Mat Turner good. As market and prove yourself then you’ll be fine

[@omgocd]

I've been asked once or twice and lied. I had a hell of a time in college for personal reasons (lost my dad, two friends, and two grandparents PLUS onset of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder) so I know it's not an accurate show of my potential. I graduated with 2.0, but I KNOW I could have gotten 3.5 if my life didn't go sideways several times over the span of four years lol

[@DerMeister821]

I got asked about mine in every interview. lol

[@aayush5474]

In India GPA acts as a cutoff whether a student can apply to a company or not

[@shadmanmartinpiyal4057]

in Indian company, you forgot to add...

[@adequatequality]

India has its priorities backwards and many south Asian households encourage this. They hold education to a higher order than mental health and your overall well-being. This is even sadder to see from employers that discriminate all the excellent workers because of their lower GPA. No wonder India is one of the countries with the most amount of depressed people.

[@NearLWatson]

@@shadmanmartinpiyal4057 not true. Applicable outside too. You can take a look at many technical jobs outside India, they would have stated some form of their own minimum critical score.

[@Nimbos0]

I like the framing and lighting of this video. 10/10

[@hansonel]

Same. The new space is looking really nice

[@strangeclouds7]

@@hansonel You think a basement looks better than his house?

[@sludgeman]

gpa might be a reference for internships, and just for the low tier. A recommendation letter should be a better replacement

[@tyresebrown3480]

I've actually heard this recently in my programming internship! All points you're stating is correct. Personality is key too. No company would hire someone who is a jerk. Become curious and keep working hard. Stay Safe & Stay Positive!

[@sbranham314]

Omg you are saying everything in my life. I was a CS major and had to live at home and have a crappy home life. I also had to work during college. I was only able to get around 2.7 GPA and it impacted me from getting jobs at certain companies.

[@sbranham314]

also had tons of shit professors that didn't care about teaching and just wanted to do their research.

[@arielsuarez5471]

Old comment, but... yeah! I think I'm on the same boat as you are.

[@sbranham314]

@@arielsuarez5471 sorry to hear that. College was one of the darkest times of my life but it gets better. I got a decent job right now, a house and am married. I have peace.

[@arielsuarez5471]

@@sbranham314 Wow! I'm really happy for you. Yes, my GPA is 2.8 right now, but it looks like I can improve it to 2.9 or so before graduating and have some prospects of finding a good job thanks to some contacts that can refer me. Cheers, Samuel! Wish you all the best!

[@sbranham314]

@@arielsuarez5471 good to hear. You got this.

[@NOLZWINS]

I got a job straight out of college and not once did my GPA ever come up in the interview process or ever agian. I can't believe all the all nighter's I pulled for that GPA just for it to never matter.

[@freshswagga100]

Looks good on a resume if nothing else 👌

[@NOLZWINS]

@@freshswagga100 Very true haha

[@CameronCobb]

Kung-Fu Kenny doesn’t matter if it’s not looked at or important to the employer looking at it

[@LilJbm1]

@@NOLZWINS Yeah GPA only matters in an academic context. If you are applying to seek further education? GPA is INCREDIBLY important. If you're done with school and just going into business/workforce then it is now irrelevant. Translation: if you never plan to go to college then C's get HS diplomas who gives a shit. If you don't plan to go to graduate school/professional school then C's get degrees and who gives a shit. If you don't plan to seek an academic position or are not in a professional field which requires more prerequisite training (e.g. medicine) then pass/fail do what you need to get that professional degree who gives a shit. Your GPA only matters in so far as how much do you want to go down the rabbit hole? If you want a BS/BA then get a good HS GPA. If you want a Masters/PhD, or professional degree (e.g. MD, MBA, JD, etc.) then get a good college GPA. If there are "internships/clerkships" like in law having to work at a firm, or in medicine having residency, then perform well in professional school (not always GPA, sometimes simply exam scores). At any point if you plan to peace out of academics to go into the workforce then stop caring about your GPA, it doesn't matter. If all you need is a bachelors fuck the GPA just pass.

[@Andrew-ez9ft]

what was your major in?

[@stevep8485]

I graduated in 1997 with a BS in Computer Engineering from USC. No one has ever asked me what my GPA was.

[@thehardboy45]

Well what was it?

[@Ihavetoreturnsomevideotapes]

Not in India 😂

[@himanshudewan6535]

Because you are not in india

[@thedog5k]

@@Ihavetoreturnsomevideotapes not everyone lives in india

[@TheAlchemist1089]

There's a joke about USC in India. USC is sort of like a decent visa mill university for Master's degree. The joke is - It doesn't matter if you have criminal history, if your GPA>9/10 (Indian scale), then USC will give you an admit lol.

[@wrednax8594]

I'd rather have a 3.0 and lots of projects on my resume and skills than have a 4.0 and never leave the house.

[@conman698]

What's worse is that with my experience in university people with higher GPA don't necessarily know more. I've had conversations with people who did better than me on assessments and have asked them technical questions (question still related to the course material) that they did not know the answers to. They were just good at looking at the very specific learning criteria and as a result getting good grades.

[@0AcE013]

not at all saying that what your experience have been incorrect. however i personally have the complete opposite experience. for context i'm a double major student in an art related major and an engineering one (also a minor in game design) (and yes, i know these are all super related disciplines) i mention that as to say my experience has been the same across all three departments. people with the higher gpa's tend to be the ones that are much more enthutiastic about the feild and usually very competitive as well. that is not to say that for example someone with a 3.7 is strictly always better or more hardworking than someone with a 3.2 sometimes certain students are just not as competitive or have been working in the feild already and or only there for a degree so they don't put THAT much effort. but it generally tends to be higher grades for students who are better at the feild. there are ofcourse outliers for example one of the absolute best software engineers (still a student) i've ever met has a relatively lower gpa because she HATES math and calculas specifically (i think she failed it twice) for some reason when the math is directly in coding problems she's great at it tho. eitherway, what hasn't been an outlier is people with crappy gpa are usually only in the feild for a job at the end and are not creative or at all enthusiastic about it. especially once you're out of the first year which is usually alot of prep before you specialise more. to re-iterate i don't think they are better because they have higher gpa's. i think they have higher gpa's as a by product of being more enthuthiastic of the field

[@anko0595]

Sure I 100 percent agree with this most of the time I’m the one explaining the person with higher marks how to do the questions

[@ganeshvenkatachalam3203]

But ofc it depends on the field.

[@leandroP2323]

Also Joshua, there is a lot more that influences your Grades, there are so many outside factors like your personal health, financial problems, etc... I am currently trying to get my second degree on a field i already work in while having an average of 50 hours workweek. I literally don't have time to try to get a high GPA even if I wanted. And, even if I had the time, instead of having a better grade in a random discipline, I would spend it to improve the set of skills that i know I could directly use in my work/filed like making my own projects, taking an online course, getting to know a new software, writing a book, etc..

[@freshswagga100]

Thats a good point

[@JakeSummers2424]

It's not just GPAs are a joke. College is a joke. I was 4.0 valedictorian (twice) and couldn't land a job for 3 years until I went to a coding bootcamp after that landed me a job. College doesn't teach you how to code in up to date technologies, or how to use good coding practices. It is pushing out bad coders who write spaghetti code and technical debt (yes code bootcamps are guilty of this too) making a mess for the rest of us to clean up.

[@frankchen4229]

why the hell do you have a 4.0

[@JakeSummers2424]

@@frankchen4229 Because I never once missed a class in my 4 years. I spent every night studying and prepped for every assignment, exam, test, paper, and project. There was only a couple times I got a few answers wrong on a test. Mostly got A's and just a couple B's on my work. But I always stayed in the 90-100 point range for all my classes (which is an A). This makes it a 4.0 GPA.

[@frankchen4229]

@@JakeSummers2424 I stop caring after >3.5 because it's just too grueling

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

GPA correlates with intelligence and conformity, so the perfect measure for companies

[@cy6412]

Why is an HR lady just sitting there being super creepy, you ask? Well, HR lady was sent from YT corporate, and just won't leave, and Joshua has no choice but to accept it or be fired. This is the dark reality of being a KZbinr during Covid.

[@benjisea]

Wait really? Lol

[@benjisea]

explain more plz

[@southernkatrina8161]

It's her house. He's moved in.

[@Puggy42069]

They might claim that not getting straight A's while in an abusive household is a work characteristic of being "Not good under pressure."

[@georgechukhriy5233]

lol

[@Dxpress_]

In that case, I'd thank the company for the heads-up on how they treat their employees and promptly turn the other direction.

[@mehregankbi]

well then, it's a red flag and means you don't want that job anyway.

[@Nolepiere]

😂 that would be a reason for someone to work harder to get out of that situation so I’m sure that’s what is going through their mind

[@natckwan]

bruh

[@hobbes2555]

One of my first programming teachers just didnt show up for 5 weeks. Still got a B in that class. GPAs are a joke.

[@johnwig285]

More like ur college is a joke.

[@lauracruz4496]

As a premed student I have to say the GPA does matter, but its true that it isn't always reflective of one's success in the workforce.

[@gangatalishis]

Med school is very different from a bachelors.

[@JoshuaFluke1]

Your GPA matters because you need it to get to the next school, not to be a good doctor. But obviously both is preferred.

[@paulallen579]

After you have your license and practice as an M.D. absolutely nobody will care about your GPA. The _only_ thing that people will look at is if you performed.

[@paulallen579]

In Sweden, med-students can only pass or fail a class. The only way to distinguish yourself is to do extra curriculars, it’s popular to be lab assistants for example. And that makes sense, after even just a year of being a medical doctor nobody is going to give even the slightest fuck how well you did in your classes. Are you being a good doctor and helping your patients or not?

[@floatingchimney]

@@paulallen579 That's not true. Sweden has different grades for different levels of acquired knowledge in classes. There is a reason why grading exists, not all people have the same knowledge, and the most competent people should be the highest in the hierarchy. Also, individual universities may choose to use any scale they like. A lot of Swedish universities grade on a scale A to F. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_grading_in_Sweden There is absolutely NO ONE that would benefit if we all had two grades - pass or fail.

[@Samuel-xh7vl]

While I agree with your overall message, I think you are skipping over a few things. Smart does not equal high GPA. There's some correlation but being smart doesn't automatically give you an A. Being able to complete work that is of high quality and is on time are all desirable traits. And these traits are what gives you an A. We all have bad professors. Bosses also come in different varieties. Having a solid GPA across many courses and professors shows you're able to succeed academically in a variety of environments, including a potential boss who has limited capacity to teach you what's needed for the job. Being able to learn on your own is also a desirable trait. I definitely agree GPA can only indicate so much, but It would've been nice if you could've addressed these points in your video.

[@THEGAMINGHELP101]

Yeah, these are definitely a factor and honestly, the difference between someone with a 3.0 and a 4.0 could be a mix of professor luck and also wanting to have a bit more fun. If you have less than a 3.0 I would want to see that you were involved in something else that increased your skills like a job or some sort of team like formula SAE and if so that you would also be just as good of a candidate. However, if you have less than a 3.0 no job, and no outside teams or projects than I think your just a lazy person that either party all day or plays video games and isn't trying to do anything useful with your time.

[@buffycatnip]

my professor in college told me that she hated math and didn't understand it but she ended up passing it with an A. For example on the test, she knows the answer is letter B but doesn't understand math behind it to to get that answer.

[@THEGAMINGHELP101]

@@buffycatnip How is this possible to pass math without knowing at least how to solve the problem? Every math professor I have had requires you to show your work and if you don't you lose point's no matter if you got the answer right or wrong.

[@LilJbm1]

@@THEGAMINGHELP101 Sometimes (read often) you just go through the motions in math to pass. You practice problems a lot and memorize the process essentially without ever understanding it. When it comes test time you just use monkey brain to recognize patterns and realize, "oh this is that type of problem, I use these arbitrary steps I memorized from weeks of practice" then you just go through those steps on paper and have "shown your work". Probably why math major upper level courses require fucking proofs for every damn problem. It's to show you do actually understand the math beyond just going through the motions, and simply "showing your work" does not accomplish this. By the way, I'm probably also someone who doesn't understand math super well, probably better than most though, and I HATE the idea of having to write proofs for all the problems (why I wasn't a math major I guess lmao).

[@ssgus3682]

@@THEGAMINGHELP101 Scantron tests

[@TheEternalSamurai]

Just by seeing the title of this video, I wholeheartedly agree! I graduated with a BS in Computer Engineering with a 3.79 GPA, and I did get a Software Engineering job right out of school. But then, I shortly figured out how meaningless the GPA was after seeing people who still got hired with a 2.5 GPA.

[@MatthewHartsuch]

*Josh: u don't need a good gpa *Gary Vee: u don't need college Employers: u need a degree, 3.0gpa, certifications, 5yrs experience, etc, and we will probably lay u off after 6months Me: gpa = 2.0, academic probation twice, no experience, 8months unemployed

[@kevintsuyoi901]

yup. some of us have adhd which is one of the worst things to have in an academic setting. still got my bachelors, but gpa was a 2.4

[@caboose413]

I couldn't even get recuiters from these big firms to even look at me because of my gpa. Their excuse was well accounting is a highly technical field so your gpa is a good indication of how well you'll do in the workplace. If that was true then why do you send all new hires to a 3-4 month "bootcamp" where you train them before you let them do any real work? Anyways I'm just ranting, thanks for the videos Josh and have a nice day.

[@TheoJay615]

Book Smart vs Street Smart. It's as simple as that. I've met brilliant people who've dropped out of schools and work for various reasons and it was all on them. No GPA or classes taken make up for personality and attitude. Examples: > too arrogant to take direction or criticism > always trying to one-up people and delaying entire projects > can't play on a team and throws people under the bus for not working unpaid overtime

[@SuperMatt2112]

All I can comment on Josh is that you are way to Logical for 85% of the workforce population because they can't always see the forest past the tree good job as always.

[@CeruleanAnthracite]

Thank you for making this video. As a student who grew up thinking I needed everything to be perfect, it's taken years of therapy to stop associating my self-worth with metrics and "achievements". However, I also dislike it when people entirely disregard people who might have chosen to (and had the privilege/ opportunity to) work hard for their GPA for whatever reason. Some universities pay a lot of emphasis on an applicant's GPA and it can be a severe hindrance for certain fellowships/ scholarships (differs by country too). It even factors in during some need-based scholarships - but yes, it's restricted to the beginning of one's career (or even just school). But yes, thank you for this.

[@alexisidro]

I agree, and too sad sometimes GPA determines whether or not you get an opportunity. It only takes one or two classes to ruin your GPA, even if it entailed you having to work too much and losing focus on your classes, or getting into an accident and you missed a final. There are unexpected things that take place in university and that have nothing to do with the ability to learn or perform.

[@riku113015]

This is so true and my biggest problem with GPA is that even in the bell curve example, a B is still bad. Like you know 85% of the information just from memorization and studying and you get a 3.0. I personally have a 2.7 but imagine getting 85% on every test throughout college which sounds pretty good to me tbh, but then having companies not want you because you only have a 3.0 GPA. In fact an average C student basically know 70-80% of the information but is only a 2.0 GPA and wont even get a glance from recruiters. HOW UNFAIR IS THAT!!!!

[@DerMeister821]

Getting a A- average is not hard in college dude.

[@DerMeister821]

@aaronasencio9459 both issues were pressing for me. The profession I was in (in my area of course) wouldn't accept anything less than 3.5 for your resume to make through a screen to even be read. So I literally didn't have a choice.

[@CountChokcula]

@aaronasencio9459 correct, I just halted an interview with a company just a few minutes ago because they said they had a hard stop on GPA requirements, I also have a 2.91. They said basically said that none of my resume mattered because I don't have a 3.0, even though I have engineering experience at two fortune 500 companies.

[@kimaji]

i really hate group projects. i'm always afraid to drag the others down since i am not that skilled and a little slow.

[@TheFlamingPiano]

It ain't worth shit, learned it the hard way (engineering course)... Just good for making yourself feel good, and making your family proud

[@digiwhale]

I flunked out of college after 3 years right after high school.....Joined the military, served 8 years, and went back to college in 2017. Graduated last week with a 4.0. GPA is more of a reflection of ones maturity than it is of ones intelligence.

[@mbraxt11]

Not really. A gpa is an indication that you can do the work assigned pretty well for your classes but that doesn't always mean that person is mature. I know people who have near perfect gpas and are immature, not to mention they only got there because they chegged everything.

[@il-conte]

Computer engineering school. My GPA was abysmal because I had zero motivation and would not put much effort, and I ended up dropping out. Started a job in data entry in IT consulting company, was a 3 week contract. It got extended and I slowly started doing tickets, and worked my way up, learning every single day. Today I'm the main IT automation engineer of a $20B company. GPA is not a great indicator of future performance.

[@friktogurg9242]

Congrats bro. Even if gpa is low, at least there is degree so can help. Cheers

[@mryoutube4399]

I know a guy who got an F in calculus IV in the Spring and then got an A- when he retook the class immediately in the summer. How did he do it? He got in a class with a professor who had a high rating on RateMyProfessor.com hmmm

[@toptextbottomtext1987]

Randy Orton Diff Eq probably??

[@margaritasytcheva2730]

5:10 Oh my god. When you say “gaslighting”, this brings back WAR flashbacks of my freshman year physics lab where we forced to read these incoherent, poor explaining lab manuals and suddenly expected to use equipment that we had never been trained before to use before IN LAB (there was no prior training in the manual or anywhere) and complete the experiment in that time. If you didn’t have someone on your team who knew how to use the equipment, you were screwed. It was only a year after, when I started my electrical engineering curriculum that I realized how to stupid it all was. In the EE curriculum, they actually TAUGHT us to use an oscilloscope BEFORE we did anything with it, and NOT expected to learn everything on the fly. I never talked to the professor about because WE were all gaslighted to believe that “you’re smart STEM students you should be smart enough to figure it out”. Which goes to show how much professors can gaslight their students into thinking it’s the students job to teach themselves and not the profs.

[@moriahminji]

GPA only matters to me for scholarships. If you wanna go to grad school, you can get a good scholarship and go there for free. Other than that, I don’t care.

[@CashMoneyReckadz]

I had a 3.1 GPA from a no name college and without a doubt make more money than most of my classmates from high school that went to well known or even IVY league universities. I was asked for my GPA once ever after having 6 years of progressive sales & management experience and I ended the conversation. I was actually offended that someone could read a stacked resume and actually think my GPA played a factor in any of it. I worked to pay for college and my expenses during college so I was stretched really thin. Would you rather hire me or the 4.0 GPA did not need to work and that has minimal resiliency experience?🤷🏽

[@christophershanklin112]

Internships and experience exceeds GPA

[@hattrickster33]

My GPA is easily in the top 10% for CS in my university, to the point where my supervisor did a double take when he saw it for the first time. It helped me get into grad school and to get a research job, as well as get some pretty good scholarships. But outside of those, I can't remember that anyone really cared about it. Maybe it helped me to get interviews, but after that it didn't count for much. Experience and technical skills count for 99% in those situations.

[@SonnyLando]

I can attest to this. Worked full time and full time student. Horrible but I had a goal to reach, get my career going. Had a 2.6 GPA. Very thankful I could get a ncie paying job now and GPA was not a factor. Don't worry too much if you are in a difficult situation. Just show you will do your best and work hard!

[@mntalateyya]

GPA is not nearly perfect, but it's efficient. Nobody has the budget to assess every applicant individually on all kinds of metrics. GPA gives you a single number to look at. Also, most of the drawbacks of GPA are drawbacks if GPA is used strictly, but nobody really sorts all applicant by GPA then hire the top n. GPA is a fast and efficient filter. You can then focus your resources to do a more individualized assessment of the remaining candidates. That's from the company perspective. From the student/employee perspective, there's definitely a strong correlation between GPA and early career salary. www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/best-schools-by-majors/computer-science

[@wunder1385]

Just because the GPA doesn't give a 100% accurate representation of how good of a employee someone is doesn't mean that there's no correlation at all

[@JoshuaFluke1]

They mean some, but not nearly what the average employee weighs them as. Just give me an aptitude test for the job. My As in history class dont make me an engineer.

[@rayakoth]

Worked with people from elite schools. At the end of the day, sure they know more about a specific field, but they are people, too.

[@evanm2024]

Successful graduates give the school prestige. Not the other way around.

[@Brunboi]

I'm studying mechanical engineering (graduating in May) and this is all so true for the types of jobs I'm looking for. Hell, I don't even think my gpa is terrible or anything at a 3.15, but so many companies have these strict 3.2 or 3.5 cutoffs and it's incredibly frustrating. I wouldn't consider myself to be an exceptional candidate, but i spend my free time working on projects that interest me and are applicable to my resumé. I went through an abusive relationship during my 2nd and 3rd year which had a pretty severe effect on my mental health, and consequently, my gpa. Even just trying to dig myself out from that pit and recover it to the point that it's at now has been hellish. I'm just rambling at this point but man, it's just frustrating how there's not really any way to apply context to the gpa. It's either you have a good one or you don't. No ifs, ands, or buts

[@perfectguide7278]

Higher the GPA lower the coding skills.

[@Essell222]

So true. I Got rejected from a recruiter as my University Grades are average. And that although i am currently working as a Marketing Manager at AMAZON! why do you think i got the amazon Job? Because i worked 40 h+ a week at a Job while being in University. Recruiters/companies will never Unterstand

[@TheRacy]

omg that bell curve example is so accurate. I also had all of the bad professors too.

[@lmao6]

I agree. The only thing is scholarships and it's one less thing employers can use to disqualify you. In tech at the moment it's not that important, I'm worried as the market gets more saturated that it will be another filter for new grads.

[@MUSICXOFFICIAL01]

Thank you! This is the topic video I've been waiting for.

[@pierstonsalinas940]

i watched so many of you older videos from a year ago and how in one year did you totally change to a full on man!!! that 30+ hit diffrent

[@thejoblesscoder]

I am legit signed up for online classes right now from an official licensed university. I am taking a game development course that is teaching Allegro 5. I can guarantee you that a 4.0 GPA in a class about allegro 5 does NOT mean that you will know how to make a game when you get hired at a AAA game dev studio.

[@cj4days113]

After my first internship, they haven't cared to ask about GPA in the slightest, it's about what I know.

[@tracygarner5912]

True the "plays well with others" is the make or break. If you just want to do the job employers get weird if you don't want to go drinking after work.

[@urkskn8842]

I am 4th grade CE undergraduate student, it is absolutely true that GPA or University not means the student with higher GPA is better at work than other students especially on Computer field but i think we need universities to motivate ourself about their future by using its reputation because not all smart guys motivate themself for self-study.

[@dormantpixi2628]

A bit late to the party, but, a friend of mine graduated from Princeton. Sounds impressive except he says that getting into Princeton was harder than the actual classes. He majored in Religious Studies (he did have to take "general Ed" courses). I can't say if that is true of other majors.

[@tatedewey1228]

Hey man just wanted to say thank you for what you do. I bought your resume pack on your website and I landed my first Junior Web Developer position a couple weeks later!

[@MahdiFilms]

I can't agree with you more Joshua! Hoenstly! I've never understood why some people can't get this through their heads. I think it's because if they admit it, they'd feel like school was all a waste of time.

[@AB-wq7eo]

you have such a similar mindset as me on various topics. glad i found this channel i've always thought GPA was mostly a joke.

[@tdzinkdroid]

While I don't agree with all your videos (nor do I expect to have identical views as another person) I appreciate your videos as they are generally thought provoking.

[@johnkelly8101]

I did not notice the girl sitting in the background.

[@jasonlaboy]

Lol the curves at NJIT were crazy, I got like a 66 in one class and got an A.

[@backseatgaming9087]

I know someone who had a GPA of 2.2/7 that now works in a $120,000/yr role. Probably more than those who got top grades at Uni.

[@omarabozein7015]

You know joshua this point was really on my mind the last few weeks and its really disturbing me .. Thanks man , really glad to hear ur advice always

[@ShadyRapture]

I’m finishing my CS degree. I hate taking unrelated classes. The CS classes themselves barely teach anything relevant... I’m never using chemistry in my career path... why must I subsidize it. My GPA suffers because of this. I’m so stressed and depressed about all this lately. I just want to build my portfolio, graduate, get a decent job and save up money to start my own business. It’s hard for me to work on things I know are irrelevant and that I don’t care about. Isn’t that a core concept of CS and engineering in general? Scope? Not in college, you must be “well-rounded”

[@arkhamxdarkseid1249]

I knew so many students in my class that figured out how teachers set up exams etc. They figured out the system and they got almost all straight As. I went on to work with a couple of them upon graduating and holy shit. As soon as things became unstructured you could see their coding abilities and problem solving abilities were really crap.

[@user-zr6pl6nb6z]

To hell with politics, soft skills, and bureaucracy. These are the reasons why society founders. We worry more about egos than about results.

[@straighter100]

It really doesn't guys, take it from a dude that did his master's and bachelor's in CS, and got a well-paying job straight straight out of college. It helps to get you in but does not guarantee that your a good developer 😵, even though I've been on the job for more than 1.5 years now, I got a poor yearly review 😭😭😭.

[@SecretMarsupial]

You’re

[@Willdh1987]

SecretMarsupial simp

[@randomanon7040]

I have never once been asked about my GPA or even my major in an interview. I worked really hard because I thought it was super important. Graduated cummerbund pause and have regretted not going to more parties ever since 🤣 For software devs, they only care that you can pass the loop. Your school, major etc don’t matter at all. *except for getting an internship, which isn’t the best or only way in anyway

[@elmalifico3708]

3:33 I had a professor like this for my microelectronics class who for the first two classes would constantly say Daryl. Everyone in the class kept thinking it was some type of law like Ohm’s Law. Then one day he draws a circuit with a DIODE and says “okay here we have a Daryl”. Everyone just looked at each other and started laughing.

[@shannoncrawford7212]

I went to school for Mechanical Engineering but didn’t graduate. Have like 130 credit hours but 2 EG classes with a D that needed a C to graduate. My GPA was horrible, I was disengaged my last 2 years and knew I didn’t like it but figured it was too late to change. Honestly though, I probably would have been a mediocre engineer unless it was a position with a lot of variety in different environments. I could not do a cubicle job of just constant intense mental work. Which is why retail was such a good fit for me. I was working for Walmart during school, so once I was done I went into their management program. Spent 2 years as an assistant manager, 2 years as a Co-manager, and then got promoted to store manager in my 20’s. I was a store manager for 8 years before I quit to go work for myself. As a store manager my base salary was $114k and my bonus potential was up to 115% of my salary. I made between $150k and $220k yearly, depending on bonus. I don’t know my IQ but I’m not the smartest guy in the room but also not the dumbest. But I am also always looking, and love, to learn in subjects that interest me or benefit me. I am also an introvert and like to operate in the realm of common sense, 2 things that typically aren’t especially compatible with a corporate management environment. But I adapted and developed myself to be able to be comfortable as a leader and constantly having people need my input and direction. And made it a priority to develop people and help them reach their next career goal. I figured out that the fastest way to get promoted was to look for job promotion all across the country in poor performing units. Quick path to advancement and when you turn them around it breeds more opportunity, and I moved for each promotion. I also worked my ass off and long hours, which definitely helps, and honestly if you want to be an effective leader in retail there is no substitute for presence. Not micromanagement, but presence and availability. And I stayed true to myself and tried to operate my business with doing what was right for the customers, associates and business. I’ve always had an ask for forgiveness rather than permission mentality. And so I would take advantage of every “gray area” I could, where I knew it was the right decision but maybe not the direction the company wanted to go. And if you are a high performer and delivering results you can get away with a lot that should get you in trouble. In my case it was going against corporate stupidity as much as I could. I had one boss that always told me, You like to wear a crash helmet. In the end though I got an ass of a new district manager and we did not see eye to eye, that and the bureaucracy, HR BS, and general tightening of requiring conformity to “follow the rules” (in corporate speak- run the play, don’t call an audible). When I started managers still had a fair amount of autonomy as compared to other large retailers (as long as you delivered) I could see it was probably not going to end well; so I started looking for my exit strategy.

[@ryan-yg7pk]

High GPA = Working hard and having to pay to work hard but getting a discount. The only company that turned me down after college over my gpa was paying $15 hr for a temp job. A company that hired me permanent for more $ asked me for my bad GPA and still hired me because I said I had a full time job while going to school. That same company later hired my coworker with a high GPA and masters and he got promoted to another department but with same pay. Later I took my 2nd job for less work and more pay while he had to work harder for no raises. Some people had no degree while others had 4 year or masters for the same job.

[@fruit.jamz23]

@2:18 but it does dictate the standards the individual was held to while attending MIT .They graduated and got the same Gpa as another student who went to a no name school. The school is unheard of, they don’t know what standards you were held too.So rather than taking a risk for the company they go for the name brand student.

[@BobConnor-n2g]

If a family life is so bad that you are only getting Cs, isn't that time to not go to college until the situation is a lot better? I also found a dorm to be a hell hole to live in and got bad grades because of it, the constant noise, sleep deprivation and bad food.

[@theamethyst93]

I graduated with a 2.3 gpa lmao. BARELY graduated because it was so low. Still graduated and nobody ever asked about it.

[@RNcg03]

Amen! Keep preaching brother!

[@parzax]

I hate this world of recruiting. One recruiter would tell you that GPA is important and another one one would not care. Once, a recruiter told me that they didn't hire 3.5-4.0 GPAs because those students have "never struggled because they have always being so smart blah blah blah" so they would be easily affected by pressure, thus not performing well in the job environment. I was like: YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME, it is a struggle to get good grades too. It's all subjective and you are as good as the recruiter you get.

[@SanyaZol]

> never struggled because they have always being so smart People who never put any effort in anything (including studying) is now hiring people..

[@thejoblesscoder]

Ohh ya btw 3:29 I swear to God no joke this actually happened in one of my CS classes once. We had to wait for someone from the IT department to come turn on the projector.

[@madhavdaga]

_A few years later_ *_"Joshua Fluke marries HR Lady"_*

[@Dallaspersonal]

Assignments in school cannot be repeated to refine skill and knowledge and if it is repeated than you are failed with a lower grade regardless of the quality of work. That system is a failure because its not about making sure students learn, its about how to get away with failure. The way tests/exams are examined is a 1 time effort. Students have to cram knowledge, often while they are learning many different subjects from other classes. I personally like the idea of overhauling the education system to ensure success. Note taking and re-iteration is key. They also need to remove DEI, CRT, LGBQT and anything similar that is considered ideological. The GPA is a poor reflection of the students success because it doesn't take into consideration the failures of the teachers or education system itself.

[@matturner6890]

I always saw anything grades-related as a complete joke, especially since they can be influenced by the teachers' opinion of you as a person most of the time anyway. No one cares about your grades in the adult world if you get results. I feel bad for any kid who spent their time worrying about a stupid number.

[@chriswright8520]

As a university student (Aussie college), there are so many variables that affect our GPA. The biggest issue is group assignments, having 2 out of 4 members contribute and on submission day they don't tell anyone they decided to add a second reference table, use spell check change '...ise' to '...ize'. That 30% assignment has caused a GPA hit.

[@MultiAarsh]

I wish I found this channel when I was in college. Good work bro 🙌

[@MACKYDTSONE]

Yeah me too.

[@TimsDaBossMC]

I basically guilt tripped some recruiters into questioning the GPA requirements for internships, stating minorities, household dynamics, course difficulty, usefulness of the material learned from class, as some reasons to not use it. Next recruiting session GPA was no longer a requirement but a preference, with companies like Google abandoning GPA for their full time roles I can only imagine college will no longer be as important for software engineering

[@suriyas1456]

Here from your discord channel, way to go Josh.

[@rome229]

I have some employees who have graduated from Unknown rural Colleges and the creative work they come up with still blows my mind.

[@tracygarner5912]

You have great points. ❤

[@robbiem4624]

I had right heart failure the summer between my junior and senior year, which was caused by the previous semester. If i had been told to just relax you will be done with your degree when your ready instead of hurry you need to get done. My GPA would have been better as well as had a better time in college. I did graduate with my bachelors in business finally after trying off and on for 18 years. However, i graduated into coved all that rush and hurry just to graduate into coved.

[@huluplus7002]

Fuck I used to be so depressed back when I watched your videos. I had no job and was looking for one. But now I have one and I stumbled on your videos again and I'm happier. But sadly it reminds me of how I felt back then. Glad to see you're doing ok though

[@FrancoCiminoPrado]

I studied, and still studying (masters) on one of the best engineering schools in my country. One of the only good reasons to take in account your institution is the amount of credits that institution puts on specific subjects. For example advanced calculus requires less hours/week on a different university compared with mine, and as a teacher I have seen how those guys only have some idea of what advanced calculus is but in practice they cant use those tools to create something. I'm just saying that one thing that we must no take for granted is how private education has simplified content inside curriculums to offer the same degree as other "prestigious" schools. Anyway, great video, thanks for always put thing on a practical perspective.

[@gman9090]

Luke, imagine you are a junior in the HR department and your hiring manager has tasked you to sift through 1000 applications by the end of the week. Will you pick the applicants with the best grades (GPAs) and experience or will you dedicate 3,4,5x as long on applicants with low GPAs, trying to justify that hey're more valuable? Sometimes it is not the company's fault, it is just the way it is to short list people fast. It is not personal at all.

[@Rinetto]

What you say is true but in India grades do matter, most big companies won't even call you for an interview if you don't have 60~75% throughout since 10th grade. I fucked up in Biology in 12th so I'm ineligible to apply to many IT jobs even after doing a MSc in Computer Science with good grades. It's startups that care about skills over grades but their pay is bullshit.

[@freestang6662]

The only time I was ever asked about my GPA was on a government job application.