Why I've gone BACK to MSFS 2020 BUT... PLEASE DO THIS For ASOBO & THE VR Community...

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

In case you missed it, here's my detailed VR performance comparison test between MSFS 2020 vs 2024: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5axZIiGm8-Ljrs

[@conkhi7344]

Absolutely agree with you. Asobo never did allow users to beta test the VR part of the sim before official release, because they had zero confidence in it. While the sim performs reasonably well in flat screen mode, VR is just a blurry mess, especially for those who like to fly at low altitudes (500-1000') like I do. Smoothness and clarity is nowhere near the level you can get in MSFS 2020 with DirectX 11, even with a high-end PC (I9-14900K, RTX 4090, Pimax Crystal Light).

[@jackr.749]

Whole heartedly agree Steve. I'm 65, I don't know about most people, but for myself, I am tired of paying good money to be a beta tester ($90 in Canada for MSFS 2024 base version). When I buy a sim or a game, I want it to be polished and not a nightmare to use thus taking away from the enjoyment. Agreed, MSFS 2024 should have been delayed and renamed to 2025 or even 2026 if it would have meant a more complete and working package. When I saw it went from "Tech Alpha" to full release, a warning flag went up and the hype made no sense to me, I guess I was right to hold off. Still very much enjoying 2020, probably will enjoy 2024 when it's ready to be enjoyed. That's when I'll buy it.

[@anthonymoloney3671]

Couldn't have said it better. Like you, I won't pay to be beta tester. It's shady that Asobo/M$ expect customers to pay full-price for a beta product. Let publishers know this is not OK.

[@dukebfca8123]

I am just hours away from entering the year I turn 60. I have worked as a CEO for an IT company for 25 years. I am tired of the development I have witnessed, where fully developed and tested software disappears in favor of products that are not properly tested. It takes over 8 years for an operating system to function reasonably well, without serious bugs and with good drivers. Companies like Microsoft and others are pushing out half-baked software for sale to customers who end up being beta testers. This is an unacceptable development. I was a hardcore simmer over 20 years ago but had long since shelved my HOTAS Cougar sticks (F-16 and A-10 Warthog) due to a demanding job. I scaled back on work now, and my wife gave me FS2020, FS2024, and VR goggles as a Christmas gift. -A few months ago, I purchased a relatively expensive and powerful PC to handle heavy Photoshop and video editing programs and to see if I would regain an interest in flight simulators. During Christmas, I installed FS2020 but have not yet installed FS2020 because I discovered several reports on KZbin saying the same as what this video describes. When we purchase an expensive product, I expect it to be of high quality, testet but I accept minor bugs. We live in Norway, and my Canadian wife imported boxed (collector’s) versions of both simulators in the Premium Deluxe edition. We are talking about over 340 USD including customs fees to bring them into the country. I think what you wrote was excellent. Have a great New Year.

[@nilsschutte9380]

2024 runs absolutely smooth for me in VR since weeks. Much better than it ever was in 2020, which I deleted from my pc. No regrets. The walkaround adds more realism to the whole thing. Look at the stupid areas of black ground from 1:35 on the right. These have been implemented in 2020 with the last WU for Switzerland. For me, it breaks the realism. Fly over the same area in Switzerland in 2024. It is a difference of night and day in terms of details. 2024 is leaps ahead. Maybe not in all world regions yet, though. Btw: After FS98, there was FS2000, then 2002, then 2004 and then came FSX in 2006 :).

[@poolhallshark]

I agree with you. I know there are more people out there that share our experiences as well, but it SHOULD have been the general experience IMO. And as they are trying to fix things, there's always the chance that they'll eff up thing for those who already are happy. Fingers crossed for the best 😉

[@nilsschutte9380]

​@@poolhallshark And I agree with you. Steve is right in the sense that certain things like the EFB are broken in VR. I also get CTD's regularly for some reason, which I reported on the forum. These bugs should not be there. Nevertheless I do prefer 2024 over 2020.

[@poolhallshark]

@@nilsschutte9380 See? I haven't had ONE single CTD so far. Had none in 2020 either. I'm a happy camper 🙂

[@stevetb7777]

What's your VR headset and general settings, PC spec, etc? Glad it runs better for you, but without all that info it doesn't mean very much to most of us.

[@nilsschutte9380]

@@stevetb7777 Admittedly, it is a high-end PC: i9-14700kf, 4090, 64 GB Ram, using Quest 3 via Virtual Desktop via dedicated Router. Internet connection is 100 mbit. I have this System since October 2023. Even on this setup FS2020 is struggling more than 2024 in VR. Graphics settings (2024, and also the usual settings I had in 2020): Mix of High-End and Ultra, using TAA / DLSS Quality. I noticed especially that with Volumetric Clouds on Ultra in 2020 the fps were dropping. That is not the case in 2024. Also, having 64 GB Ram is recommended.

[@gregorybillingham1384]

Welcome back to 2020 Steve, I moved back about 4 weeks ago. I see a lot of old name tags returning and the sim itself seems to be improving. I try 2024 again in the summer 2025. thanks for keeping us all up to date and the honesty. Happy New Year.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Cheers Greg appreciate it. Best wishes for 2025 😊

[@johnjacobsen4003]

Just wait for MSFS2028, bwahahahaaaa! Crap company M$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[@ShoestringMedia]

Thanks for all your videos in 2024 and the hard work it take to produce them. Have a very happy 2025 and hope to go flying with you soon. All the best

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

That means so much thankyou! Happy New Year Year to you :)

[@vangoghoff5521]

Yeh i went back to 2020, 2024 has gone to the back of my digital cupboard, i will give it another go for VR in a couple of months. "More frustration than enjoyment",my sentiments exactly

[@johnjacobsen4003]

Months???? It will never run, never.. These french clowns should be fired.

[@woodyw9798]

At last! Somebody stating the blindingly obvious! Im really pissed off with YT'ers being apologists for MS/Asobo. We - the FS community - need to make a stand and send a clear message that we will NOT accept bug-ridden, half-finished software AND be forced to pay for the 'privilege' of being a beta tester!! There is no way that MSFS24 should have been released given the stage of its development. Fortunately, I did not buy into the hype, remembering all too well the dubious track record of MS and the equally disturbing fact that after 4 years MS had still not addressed many issues with MSFS 20. Personally, I have zero confidence that many of the significant flaws apparent with the current iteration of FS will ever be fixed . I would like nothing more than to be proved wrong - but I'm not holding my breath.

[@tenpoundburrito]

So when are you releasing your own game that has the whole world in high definition and zero bugs so we can all play too?

[@CurtOntheRadio]

"forced to pay for the 'privilege' of being a beta tester" Oh, come off it? I haven't been forced to pay for it and, shock, I don't beta-test it. It isn't complicated.

[@paulsaunders6536]

Thanks for proving his point 😂

[@rickharriss]

@@tenpoundburrito YOur missing the poiint. ASOBO ad MS are professional software producers. As a former software engineer if I had released commercial software of the standard of MS2024 I would have been sacked and the company folded.

[@tenpoundburrito]

​​@@rickharrissI think you're missing the point. The point is when you have over 3,000,000 gigabytes of game data to go through, how long do you think it would take even a professional team to find and fix every bug? I think what they did with the game is rather impressive, and they've been trying hard to get things fixed quickly. People seem to have rose-colored nostalgiavision when looking back at older games. It's a lot easier to find and fix bugs when there's only a hundred megabytes of data to go through. I've been playing games since MS-DOS, and I'm yet to play one that didn't have bugs, glitches, graphical issues, crashes to the desktop, and sometimes even game-breaking problems. Some got fixed by patches and became great games. This goes for all eras and both established studios and indie developers.

[@springtreebrothers]

I've also binned off 2024. Appreciate those of you who report bugs etc on the forums and what not, but frankly I can't be bothered! It's their job to fix this mess. I'll take a look again this time next year

[@StewartButton]

My thoughts exactly.

[@CCitis]

I switched back too... SO much smoother and just a better less buggy experience in VR. Been enjoying flying where in 24 I am just constantly trying to tweak.

[@mikeSL246]

I never switched! I didn't want a repeat of the early days of 2020. It took me 1.5 years to finally get good frame rates, minimal CTDs, and sharp visuals in VR. I am NOT going to start that process all over again, especially considering that there are great high LOD free/donate photogrammetry available from @demotoken and others. It was obvious that some VP said "This ships before Xmas 2024 no matter what!" I am still excited about the improved visuals and career mode so put the MS2024 cake back in the oven for another six months and I'm there.

[@stevenrapp3217]

I just switched back to FS2020 yesterday, and now your video!!! I couldn't have said anything better. You hit the nail squarely on the head!!! Many Thanks for all your video's, they are top notch!!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Thx Steven really, that means a lot :)

[@djp8796]

I agree whole heartedly, I too have gone back to 2020 and am enjoying it. It’s simply more enjoyable to fly atm. I hope things get straightened out soon as there is the potential for a great sim there, we’re just not there yet. Thanks for the videos, keep it up.

[@Bobby-r2z]

Thanks for having integrity and not being a MSFS shill. 🙂👍

[@dannymiester5825]

I've been saying this since 2024 release, in VR 2020 is soooooo much better, much better clarity. So clear and crisp in VR, fs 2024 has got major issues

[@StekuVideo]

As VR flyers we are a niche. Microsoft/Adobo are businesses. They focus on their mainstream customers. I don't think they are listening to us, the VR flyers, I don't think they are reading what we post on the forums, they probably dont have to time for that, while they are fighting with core sim issues and bringing marketplace to PC and xBox versions, as the Marketplace can generate steady revenue flow for them.

[@samuelcarstens6152]

Using triple display. I don’t think it’d be better with one screen.

[@RolandDobbins]

MSFS 2024 is working very well for me in VR, now, apart from missing a bunch of planes I bought in the MSFS2020 Marketplace. The lighting & terrain is much better in 2024. I think the user experience varies greatly depending on where one is located geographically, which impacts which Microsoft cloud resources one is accessing. There aren’t many VR users near me, so there’s no resource contention.

[@StaraPuska]

You are 100% right. I am also using MS2020 being disappointed by missing packs in MS2024. My zen tickets were immediately set to "resolved" without a solution and with a ridiculous explanation and...I do not want to bother you with details.(One detail I have to mention - I created a ticket about missing photogrammetry in 2024 and somewhere I mentioned that it still works in 2020. The Zen guy immediately said "FS2020? This is another program, not FS2024. Create a new ticket about 2020". I gave it up.

[@davidmuir6849]

Fantastic to see . I stayed with mfs 2020 😊 By the way I’ve just watched your clip on the bbmf spitfire sim in vr - I’ll be getting the same spit shell in Feb and will be positioning it so that the h2 seat moves inside the shell in vr 😊 Regards Dave from Scotland

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

That's beyond cool Dave, nice one. Thanks for watching. Best wishes for 2025!

[@davidmuir6849]

@ Thanks Steve Best wishes too ,to you and all your family 👍

[@dukebfca8123]

I received FS2020 and FS2024 Premium Deluxe as a Christmas gift. I was a hardcore simmer 20 years ago, but I no longer have the time or patience to deal with bugs in a prematurely released game. I'm just too old and impatient to be a beta tester. After hearing this, I’ve decided to wait before installing FS2024. Thanks a lot for the constructive video.

[@mikecoffee100]

Happy Christmas and allll the best for the new year and look forward to more exciting content for 2025

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Happy new year!

[@Radiosabines]

Thank you Steve, I totally agree with you concerning FS2024, I'm still flying XP 12 and DCS in VR merry Christmas to you and your family and also for all the pilots ....

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Cheers buddy, I really need to give DCS & X Plane 12 more time next year. Best wishes for 2025 and thankyou for your support.

[@strikkflypilot927]

@@Radiosabines Running DCS in VR at 90fps/native fps with physics that actually make the sim feel like flying real planes and not paper planes is tons of fun. Of course, it is not so much a sightseeing simulator I find MSFS 2020/2024 to be if thats what You want.

[@Radiosabines]

@@strikkflypilot927 also IMO the feeling , physics of the planes in FS are not as realistic compared to X plane, tested it with similar aircraft ,

[@strikkflypilot927]

@@Radiosabines I agree. FS feels like flying paperplanes. Looks good though…

[@paulsaunders6536]

Thanks for your honest assessment. I hung fire on 2024, mainly because I was in no rush to embark on a VR tweakathon after finally hitting the VR sweet spot for 2020. The childish vitriol on some of the 2024 forums had got to point where I unsubscribed to the forums on FB. Clearly, there are issues but the Dx12 and the big hit that VR takes as a consequence was the decider for me. I can wait and in the meantime continue to enjoy 2020. 👍🏻

[@CurtOntheRadio]

"The childish vitriol". Ah, it's everywhere, not just regarding flightsim. For instance, nobody seems interested in the actual capabilities of a new 50 series graphics cards, they much prefer to moan how they can't have the moon on a stick. I hung fire too. For the very obvious reasons.

[@MrZoops17]

Best video you’ve made. Said everything I felt exactly right. I really hope they are listening.

[@OlivierFablu-c9m]

I have no problems mentioned, my 4090 with my ryzen 7800X3D and soon 9800X3D and 5090 will only improve my already very good experience. New York has 45fps in High everywhere.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Thankyou so much ❤

[@justbrowsing5279]

They will only listen if people demand refunds. They already have their money. No hurry to fix anything.

[@SkyKing-Opa]

Yepper went back to 2020 a couple of weeks ago. Not ready yet for the main stream. You hit the nail on the head Steve. Happy New Year 🎉

[@5stringaustin]

I definitely agree about providing feedback to Asobo. And It needs to be good, clear feedback that they can actually use. Not the incessant bitching and whining that so many are doing. My other concern, though, is if others like you shelf 2024 and go back to 2020, it will limit the feedback that is provided. Asobo wants to make this the best sim there is, and like it or not, we need to help them do it.

[@Drmerlin604]

I totally agree with every word Steve! I gave up On MSFS2024 after the last “update”. I use the Aero. I get perfect performance in 2020 with it. In 2024, I get graphic abberations and dreadful performance regardless of settings. I am sick of losing all my control settings every time I change livery. I am tired of the mouse not working in VR. Most of all I am bored with having to spend hours just trying to get the wretched thing to work every time I want to fly. I am also bored of hearing how wonderful the new sim is…. Despite hours and hours battling with it, I just don’t see it. I am sure that the walking simulator will be great one day but, right now, it is a mess.

[@Cliffyboy1962]

I have literally given up on MSFS2024 for the time being. I have been as active as possible on the forums and continue to monitor them hopefully for an eventual fix to, not just the specific VR issues but the issues the sim has generally. The one thing that hadn't crossed my mind was "Why not go back to 2020?" Well now you mention it, I think I might just do that. As a gamer, I have kept myself busy with a multitude of other titles but there is a gaping flight sim hole that yearns to be filled. Hope things change re: 2024 in the near future.

[@mikechenard9911]

I completely agree with you. i was extremely looking forward to the arrival of MSFS 2024 as they had promised a VR experience like no other. What a disappointment it was for me to see the disaster it actually was and still is today after over 6 weeks of it's coming out. I personally love flying the Longitude and especially planning my IFR trips. Although i am extremely pleased by the advent of the new EFB, I simply can't use it in VR. Actually, it's next to impossible to do any type of IFR flights within VR. It is clear that although they stated that everyone at Asobo has a VR set and that they had partnered with Pimax, It is clear that VR was simply not even a afterthought for Asobo. if it had been, they certainly would have seen the minute they start the SIM that VR is simply broken. I am sorry but they will never be able to make me believe that they actually tested VR before letting everyone access the software. Like you i am convinced and would have been a lot happier if they had released the SIM in the summer of 2025 after actually properly testing and fixing all the bugs in it. So yeah this was a perfect example on how not to launch a new SIM. A real disaster and they should be ashamed to doing this.

[@chrisfev01]

I’ve been a flight sim enthusiast since the mid 1980’s - for decades we simmers have wanted something like MSFS 2020. After owning and trying just about every flight sim available in the last 30 years, nothing compares to the experience and fidelity of MSFS 2020 in VR. After seeing the length of time it took for Asobo and Microsoft to get MSFS 2020 to a mature state, I plan to pass on MSFS2024 for at least 18 to 24 months while I wait to hear that it has gotten better.

[@blackfang500]

I'm brand new to flight sims and it's pretty hard to pick which sim to play right now. 2024 wasn't giving me any problems until I started trying to play in VR on my Quest 3 and it's just incredibly slow and laggy in VR for me. Going backwards to 2020 feels like a weird choice as a new person but I'm a bit lost on where I should start

[@CurtOntheRadio]

It's always been a bit of tweak-fest with VR in FS. But expecting 2024 to be great straight out-of-the-box was always a big ask. I get what I consider to be an excellent experience in 2020 with Q2, it was solid for the last year (without too much messing about at all).

[@bradule1980]

Merry Christmas brother in hobby! I also got back in 2020.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Cheers mate. Happy New Year to you 🍻🥂

[@JB_Hobbies]

This launch is really deflating, and here is hoping you are right that the launch was just rushed and that in a few months an improved product will deliver on the vision that was pitched.

[@PeteB127]

I did the same went back to 2020 to see the difference, Had a great flight, 2024 is so frustrating great shame its not better, its going to take time, I only fly in VR.

[@oelph]

You’re one of the only KZbinrs who’s calling it out for what it is. Everyone else seems happy to dance around the issues and promote unhealthy optimism. Why unhealthy? Because it lets companies off the hook and puts consumers in a position of weakness.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Cheers that's much appreciated. I couldn't agree more.

[@gregorymckenna6609]

You hit the nail on the head! So many KZbinrs praised the new sim when in actual act it was junk. I requested and got my refund. I have no intentions to work for free to help Microsoft and Asobo find all the bugs. I suspect it will be playable in four to twelve months.

[@paulrhead1]

I went back to 2020 in vr and it blew me away. I really went back for fs academy lessons and it struck me that the colours were sharper and much more lifelike particularly in the quest 3. Which I find a little washed out and “cartoony” in2024I. I also miss the bush trips etc. However there are things that I do like in the new version such as load up times and fluidity.

[@RB-H]

Career mode needs serious rebalancing. I just finished a 5hr medium cargo flight in the Caravan. But it is so unstable, that I randomly glitched on final, now I have to pay 1.4 mil to repair it…

[@AndyWhiteford]

Who else thought they were in an X-Wing doing the attack on the Deathstar at 4m 27s? :) I only managed a couple of hours in 2024 using a Gamepass trial before reverting back to 2020. It is so broken at the moment which is a real shame.

[@stevengunard8135]

I might make the odd free flight, but I've given up on Career mode. In the meantime, I'm taking the opportunity to get in to DCS World.

[@jiml5233]

Thanks for the info vrfsg! I've held off from getting fs24 because I just don't feel like going through all the BS again after getting fs20 running the way I want it. All anyone needs to do is watch some "live" videos of fs2024 and you'll see ridiculously bug after bug, fix then re-fix. I just don't want any part of it. I'm happy for the simmers having good game time but for me, I'll wait till 24 is repaired to purchase if ever!

[@johncallan2001]

Spent a lot (too many) hours this Christmas break trying to get MSFS2024 to work in VR the way 2020 did for me. Officially gave up last night, sticking with 2020.

[@SilentShark]

2:22 Pedantic point I know, but FS2000 and FSX are very different, there's 6 years and two whole releases between them.

[@aaronmurray2277]

I was just about to point that out also.

[@bradmacoz]

Like you, I have gonna back to 2020, 2024 is just not usable in VR... I give up on it for awhile

[@finndoessims3214]

Hey Steve, I’m with you on this. But… I will say that 2024 is better for me in VR at a few weeks post release is ahead of where 2020 was early in its release. However, the other issues make it difficult for me to recommend 2024. The cloud based software is 180 degrees off course. I’m sure the cloud stream is intended to benefit XBox players. Given the ever decreasing cost of multiple terabyte drives, there is no need for streaming. My internet connect is good, but not great. I’d rather D’L the game files I need to my machine and see smoother play. Another excellent video- fair minded criticism and a good discussion is your hallmark my friend. .

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Thankyou my friend. I really appreciate that!

[@hanskrohn]

All the best for 2025, and thanks for the video! I second what you said. I’m also back to FS2020, until the new sim becomes playable… and truth be told - not much of a sacrifice…

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Cheers Hans, best wishes for 2025 🍻

[@ian_palmer_muso]

As a game-developer for 25+ years, I had a feeling that MSFS2024 was coming in hot, especially considering how janky it was in the early preview builds. You’re right when you say that current players are Beta testers, it’s just a shame that the fragility of the initial release didn’t get messaged out. My gut feel here is that MS were putting pressure on Asobo to hit the release window and whether it was ready or not, it was getting launched. A prolonged Open-Beta would have been preferable from a messaging perspective and I’m sure would have calmed a lot of players nerves when the sim finally launched at scale and no-one could connect. People do forget that making games is bloody HARD, but this doesn’t justify how poorly this launch has been handled.

[@CurtOntheRadio]

Folks should print their own sticker saying "Early Access". Then maybe they won't be so upset. People's expectations are inappropriate and the largest part of 'the problem' imo.

[@CarlS-q3w]

How are your settings on PSVR2? Could you share settings on PSVR2? I can't seem to get any clarity and flickering to go away. Could this be an AMD 7900XT issue? I'm connected directly to Type C port on reference 7900 card.

[@Mkvy]

Im having fun in VR with a reverb G2 on windows 10 in 2024, using an older nvida driver

[@NovaGeddon771]

I could not agree with you more! Last night I tried 2024 and I kept getting really bad performance from the sim. It couldn’t load the textures properly, I tried restarting the sim a few times, I restarted my machine a couple of times, but 2024 was having lots of trouble loading data. After being frustrated for maybe an hour and a half trying to troubleshoot I decided to go back to 2020 and I was impressed how good that sim is. I’ll stick to 2020 until I start hearing good things about 2024. I know Asobo will fix 2024 I’m not worry about it. I do think 2024 needs to stop being a cloud simulator. It’s not efficient in any way. I hope Microsoft makes this happen.

[@gregprouse1173]

Thanks Steve. Your honesty really resonated with my own view point on this sim. There are also far too many people singing its praises and as we know that is not doing the situation thus solving the problems any justice. I said to myself I would keep at it but honesty my actions have spoken louder and I haven’t picked the sim up in weeks now. I just lost the interest to be honest and seriously thinking of going back to 2020 for now. At the end of the day it’s not down to us consumers to test an unfinished product; if I was to personally I would apply for a job at adobo. I’m all for giving feedback but not on the basis of an unfinished product. However I will do so as you recommend since I care for the community and do it for the other enthusiasts out there. As a side note I would like to thank you my friend for all your content and super hard work providing us with your videos. I only know it’s not easy and takes much time. Watching your videos is such a joy and help all round. It’s definitely one of my vr highlights hands down of this passion. Have a great new year ahead my friend. Ps I suspect one of the main issues is the steaming servers. Something magical needs to happen there as the amount of irregularity in performance from day to day is he,she or it on her monthly you know what lol.

[@StrGzr101]

That's too bad because I would have followed your FS2024 videos. Your stuff was pretty helpful to me in FS2020. I'm willing to ride along and support Asobo while they sort things out. I'm not a consumer so much as a grateful simmer. I'm old. Second childhood rocks more better than the first. Way better toys. Way.

[@mick_6006]

I agree 100%. I'm concerned though that in my last post I reported how in 2020, the checking for updates page was taking around 20 seconds and others reported the same. It used to just flash up so you could frequently miss it. Now it isn;t 20 seconds, more like a minute. Do you think they're nicking 2020 server bandwidth to re-apply it to 2024 streaming meaning soon we'll be waiting minutes for 2020 to simply check for updates and be forced to pay for and use an inadequate 2024 that can't cope with demand now?

[@jJustPlayingNZ]

I stayed on 2020 and have had the same thought that 2020 performance seems to be downgraded since 2024 came out. I have actually switched to AeroFly FS4 😀

[@mcleach71]

I haven't gone to 2024 yet, and I'm glad I didn't. I'll move over once I see guys like you say "it's ready".

[@darnedghost2008]

glad everybody isn´t following the wind, if we did world wouln´t improve abit

[@mcleach71]

@, I have no desire to pay for being a Beta tester.

[@merlin8166]

Thanks Steve Happy New Year, any news on when you get the MeganeX to review?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Hopefully very soon.. stay tuned :)

[@Mellonpopr]

I skipped 2020 when it came out and bought 2024 recently and while it looks nice it runs rough on a 9800x3d/7900xtx combo only getting about 100fps with frame generation with ultra settings. I bought 2020 and I can get 200fps with frame generation and ultra settings the game looks 99.9% as good at 2024 and just feels smoother. I'm running a 3440x1440 240hz monitor so I want all my games near 240 if possible for the best immersion. I'm waiting on my Pimax Crystal Light to arrive to get some VR FPS numbers.

[@OlivierFablu-c9m]

I don't have all these problems with my Pico 4 Ultra. 45Fps in New York in high graphics. I have no problem assigning my keys and walking freely everywhere. I find MFS2024 much more enjoyable to fly than MFS2020 simply because the landscapes are closer to reality. For me a simulation like MFS is contemplation, why want less beautiful landscapes... I have no problems using my Hyperformance mods, so I'm super happy, and although there is still a lot to do I won't go back. AMD Ryzen 9800X3D or 7800X3D help a lot...

[@CurtOntheRadio]

I really don't get this thing that it "shouldn't have been released yet". What use would that be to folks like yourself? Enjoy!

[@illogic0017]

I recently went back to 2020 myself as 2024 just continues to have issues crashing to desktop. I had a smooth flight experience and I wasn't surprised about that. What I was surprised about is how much difference the subtle changes make, for example the lighting, having a copilot in the cockpit, the trees, the clouds, the actual seasons, not just Bijan. I just wish these issues would be sorted out sooner than later but for now I'd be good if the CTDs stopped and I was able to fly consistently. That shouldn't be too much to ask for but I do remember having this same issue with 2020 for a while before they finally sorted it out. I wonder if the 5090 will help with some of the stability issues.

[@CurtOntheRadio]

Depends if the 5090 has stability issues, first and foremost. :D But yes, more grunt often helps. And some patience, such as you display. ;)

[@lieblingsleguan1591]

My main VR problem in 2024 is the double mouse pointer issue and the mouse pointer not jumping to the correct distance of the buttons I want to press. That is present in all aircrafts to a degree, but it's really painful when you try to use the Autopilot buttons in the PC-12 for example.

[@AndyFromYorkshire]

Yes, I have the same issue. One reason why I've gone back to MSFS2020.

[@qdavweb661]

Yes, same problem here with the double mouse pointer. It makes me feel cross-eyed. Annoying as hell.

[@andrewculley8524]

This isn't my experience at all 2024 lod is way better than 2020 in VR. Are your FFR settings messing with the image or something? I use the Crystal Light by the way.

[@laartwork]

I was confused too.

[@L_Emir_de_Passy]

Thanks for the video!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

That was quick lol :D

[@L_Emir_de_Passy]

@VRFlightSimGuy I also went back to 2020. Loading times are longer but it works. Hopefully in a few months, 2024 will be better

[@leedove7255]

I thought I was OK with 2024 BUT after a couple of bad weeks over xmas (many ctd's) I am giving up on it for a few months. I think it has got more unstable.

[@vracan]

same here got tired of constant ctd's. When it worked it was great which made it the more frustrating

[@baumgartnernicolas4462]

I tried to go back to msfs2020 in VR....and yes less bugs, slightly better in performance..less annoyance...yes yes. but no... msfs2024..despite all....I enjoy more the immersion, the landsacape, the "feeling of flight". can't wait for the coming improvements. take care !

[@NorwegianDrone]

What should i buy Occulus meta 3 or Pimax crystal lite. I dont care about price, but want to know what you recomend. Whats best choise for flightsim (MSFS) ? i know you have tried so many heasets so i want to hear what you recomend

[@9HighFlyer9]

3:08

[@colinfitzgerald4332]

Unfortunately, MSFS 2024 doesn’t directly link to the Tobii Eye and Head Tracker without using a third party app or some other odd procedure to make it work properly. It’s great in MSFS 2020 though so I’m sticking with it until Tobii becomes a simple load and play.

[@rogerkant3696]

Indeed, also moved back as continuing in 2024 at this point is too difficult to enjoy flying this way. So much work to be done.

[@acratone8300]

I have a 4TB Nvme drive (under $200). No problem with 2020 and 2024 on the same drive. Using Addon Linker you only need one set of community packages because the only thing in 2020 community and 2024 community will be links, not files. And the total amount of data in them will be almost nothing. All the data will be in one Addon Linker folder structure. Just one, not two.

[@Szabby999]

Hi! Can you please tell when is the earliest date when you will give us a Crystal Super review? Will you be at CES or maybe will Pimax send you a test sample of the headset? Thanks!

[@kaisokaptain]

Fully agree.

[@harald6546]

I bought a new PC for FS2024 (4080 Super). I was disappointed when using VR with my Quest 3. I did try a thousand settings but no success. A few days ago I tried the good old Reverb G2 - surprise! This looks so much better at my PC. Of course my PC offers the update Windows 11 24H2, but I did not accept and switched off updates for 5 weeks. Maybe you could also connect the ‚dead‘ Reverb G2 again to compare. Such a shame MS did kill it…

[@SparkySven]

Thanks for the shout to MS / Asobo about VR in the new sim because yes it's frustration when it does not work and even with work around it's just not stable. I can't go back to old FS20 because I don't have the SSD space for it on my sim and I've been switching so many addons for the new new that only work in the new and not in the old because FS24 addons work only in the new. I hope they fix VR asap because yes, I need a new GPU RTX-4090 or better to be able to enjoy the new sim because that also was a performance downgrade. That auto fps tool in the new sim does not work ar it does but only if you have the GPU grunt power.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year buddy!

[@Drmerlin604]

Don’t be fooled into think that an RTX4090 is the answer in MSFS Walking Simulator. … it isn’t. I have a top Of the range 4090 and 2024 is still pants in VR with the Varjo Aero.

[@HonYip-j6o]

@@Drmerlin604 I also have a top RTX4090 .And my performance in vr is awesome in msfs 24 .Its strange how some folks performance is crap and others are great.

[@Drmerlin604]

@ Interesting. What VR headset are you using?

[@SparkySven]

@Drmerlin604 HP Reverb G2

[@Ghanja007]

I’ve learned so much more about flying in 2020 than I ever have in 2024. In 2024, you learn workarounds for half baked planes. Control bindings are horrible- example: trim axis is random, could be inverted on some planes while normal for others is just stupid. Zero consistency. Countless “an error has occurred” resetting all progress for the career mission. I made it to buying my own 737-max. So that’s a ton of hours. Can barely get a mission in without constantly worrying about their servers erroring out. And believe me, it’s their servers causing the “error has occurred” issue.

[@OldManGamingUK]

How good was VR when MSFS 2020 first came out? Was it really good?

[@belgeode]

The few times i have been in 24, honestly..... my Reverb G2 is performing better than in 20. No idea why though. 🤷‍♂️ But i agree. We NEED to make more noise on the forums... and support each other by UPVOTING vr related reports. We've had this discussion elsewhere before. In any event, Happy New Year!

[@oisiaa]

Flight sim 2000 was not know as FSX, FSX was from 2006. There was (older ones)....95, 98, 2000, 2002, 2004, FSX, 2020 2024.

[@pilotbsinthesky3443]

Totally agree, thanks for being honest! In AutoFPS I get 58 in 2020 and only 31 in 2024, I should be getting 10-20% better performance in a new release not 50% less. But please keep on testing, because we’ll need updates. thanks

[@lurchilurch5507]

I refunded quite soon after FS2024 launched. As you say, 2020 feels, runs, and looks so much better. So much more SOLID overall, plus 30%+ more performance! Which, again as you say, allows much crisper resolutions. Will check 2024 again in 6 months or whenever there's a substantial patch, especially for the VR issues. Thank you for "moaning", it's highly warranted and also the conclensus on the forums.

[@darnedghost2008]

It´s not looking better in 2020 then you are drunk

[@lurchilurch5507]

@darnedghost2008 wha?

[@Farabian.89]

Good to have you back steve.

[@acratone8300]

I have a Pimax Crystal Light. It works great in 2024, no performance problems. Also, my gpu is a lowly 4070 (not ti, not super), and cpu a lowly 5800X3D. No jitters or stutters in VR 2024. Springtime weather scenery is colorful and sharp. As in real life, in the Winter it is dull and drab which is realistic.

[@bartchelin]

I get reason why you make this video to get asobo to rush onto improving VR performance. The performance however can already be achieved with the right toilets. I will do a video tonight in MSFS2024 in VR that will blow you away and MSFS2020 into the last century. I keep learning new stuff and ways to exploit more quality and performance.

[@bartchelin]

Spellchecker toilet to tools

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I did wonder 😅

[@Drmerlin604]

@@bartchelinNope…. I think a right toilet perfectly describes NSFS2024 in VR for most users.

[@dankristiansen899]

I am level 135 now in carriermode so a lot of hours spent just there, and I have only been using vr, not even just one flight in flat-mode...both my quuest 3 and my pimax crystal light is running it better than ever...so i am a happy camper...just uninstalled 2020 yesterday, i am not going back! Yes, the menubar and a couple of other small bugs are there, but it looks and runs perfect on my system without any problems!

[@larrybremer4930]

I remember 2020's launch being pretty shabby as well and it taking a while to get fully sorted. My gripes were the massive changes to the control maps and inability to import them from 2020. In my case I have quite a hardware cockpit setup that took a very long time to get mapped but even though I applied my map to all aircraft I still have situations where I fly an aircraft I have not flown yet and for some reason my prop control will also be doing throttles, and stuff like that. I have not yet tried VR on my ancient HTV Vive, but did try it on 2020 and was not impressed. I think XP11 had a much better VR implementation than MS.

[@AndyFromYorkshire]

Yes, I'm back in FS2020. I now regret buying FS2024 - I'll leave it for a few months. If / when they do an FS2028 version, I'll be at the back of the queue.

[@l3adl3oyl2ick]

I use quest 3 and also went back to 2020... I'll just skip 24... I see way too much wrong with it and I think it will take it's entire life cycle to get properly fixed if then

[@Crime-v3v]

Maybe I am just lucky, but my PCL is running very good in TAA for MSFS 2024

[@ervmoore1111]

Totally agree. My multiplayer group rolled back to 2020 because 24 could not be used by all members to fit our vfr needs including flight plan for our acft. Sure 24 will get there! Happy Flying!!

[@ianhartland2541]

I totally agree with you Steve. Unless you are a Beta Tester, then it is best to wait a few months like I am , hopefully most FS2024 bugs and issues will be sorted. I am happy with FS2020, and runs superb in monitor and in my Quest 3. Maybe Asobo should call this 'Flight and Walking Simulator'? What is the point, it only complicates the sim and uses more PC resources? In FS2020, the external views are enough? If one wants to walk in the world use Google Street View. What is next FS, a 'Boat and Shipping Sim', 'Car and Truck Sim', et. Keep it as the name says 'Flight Simulator'. I am NOT knocking Flight Simulator as it is a giant leap from MS Flightsims before FS2020. One more thing to ask, your views of the 'Pimax Dream Air' or are you still waiting for one from Pimax? Maybe it is just a Dream!? Happy New Year. Ian

[@ArcanePath360]

I keep looking at 2020 and thinking I made a mistake. It does look better in a lot of ways. The DLSS2 on a 3 series card is bad. Everything looks like it's upscaled from 240p. Sometimes the ghosting and wird pixelation around things, along with the middle distance going over water is really yuk. Some things like shadows and RT look better but overall it's hard to tell why you would upgrade when the previous version is stable for one thing

[@poolhallshark]

Great video, Steve. I see most people echo what you say here, which was very expected obviously, after having seen all the frustration in different forums. However, for me personally, there in no going back to 2020. I'm actually enjoying 2024 very much. Silky smooth and exquisite visuals. Ofc there ARE things that need fixing, but I can live with it until it gets fixed. But then again, I am flying EXCLUSIVELY VFR, and 90% of the time in GA aircrafts. So I guess a lot of it has to do with how you use the sim as well. I've had some insanely good experiences in gliders for instance. That has come a long way. But I absolutely agree with you that ASOBO shouldn't have released the sim in its current state. For anyone wondering, I'm using the Pimax Crystal with a 4090 with 32Gb RAM and an i7-13700k Regardless of my own experiences, I'm looking forward to see more content from the 2020 version, as I absolutely love your videos as you know. I wish you and Melissa all the best for 2025, buddy! Say hello to her from me ? Love from Norway ♥♥♥♥♥

[@utley]

I bought the aviator edition on the first day it went for sale and refunded it the same day it came out. Im not paying for anything if it doesnt reside on my hard drive and I can fly it offline at any time. Someone let me know when that happens.

[@jameslee-pevenhull5087]

FS2020. i9 13900k, 4070ti, 32gb. I was struggling with getting 45 fps. 40 was about it. Then came AutoFPS. Now, I let AutoFPS do the adjusting. The grass and bushes became tall. TLOD was left at 120. I whacked World Scale to it's extreme. I now have rock solid 45 fps and airfield buildings can be seen from 5 miles at 2000'. Nearly 8 miles at 3500'. FS2024 has got to do something extra-special now.

[@ncc1701dd]

Just short! I agree with all you say!! Exactly!

[@liveincork]

Influncers are finally realising that calling it what it is is what works best. It got frustrating, all the positive narrative which didn't get things fixed. So we'll done for calling it out. That's what will fix it. Fantastic video.

[@ncc1701dd]

By the way. The new trees looks great from the ground! But in VR in the air it doesn't look like forests! You just see hundreds of little childish trees which doesn't integrate into the landscape!

[@paulsleighty]

Totally agree with everything you said Steve.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Cheers mate :)

[@JBMetalProductions]

Can’t get my VR to work in 2024. Its just studders

[@russellharris5072]

I am really fed up because Tobii eyetracker is currently unusable and the interface that controls it is nothing short of a bad joke.My sound is also messed up,the overall effect is that of feeding the signal through a Jimi Hendrix wah wah pedal.Top all that off with comms from ATC not working properly and you have a recipe for manic depression.Good thing is,I still have 2020 installed....................................................

[@andrewvillegas7747]

I always had this persistent head motion jitter with 2020. in 4 years could never figure out how to fix. 2024 runs much better for me than 2020 did

[@NorbertLing]

Thanks for the video Steve ! Can't agree more ! Strange today the toolbar was available in vr 2024, don't know if it's an.. accident. I'm also back in fs2020 and sometime on fs2024 to check if their is something better...

[@Tailspin07]

Is it just me or is the weird horizon line in mountain areas gone in 2020 now?

[@walley2637]

i find it easier in 2024 to get an acceptable mix between quality and performance in VR with the Quest 2 (4060ti 16gb) i seemed to always struggle with 2020

[@anthonysacco5010]

Thanks for being honest