Why Is Cthulhu Wars So Expensive

[@ArcticViperFIN]

Board game and Miniature game collector from Finland here. Cthulhu Wars is value for money. You definitely get what you pay for.

[@SandyofCthulhu]

well if you're both board games AND miniatures you get to double-dip with Cthulhu Wars.

[@michaeljameskeating1348]

I've recently acquired Cthulhu Wars and several expansions. Has pride on my shelf and is always a conversation starter when people see it. Brilliant work and well done

[@clayfare9733]

"Nothing gets those guys out of their silos." I felt this comment in my soul. Magic and League are RPG killers.

[@Palendrome]

I wish I had a store and Magic wasnt allowed. Guess itd be unpopular though

[@ThreeDogsTraining]

When's it coming back into print? I've got a $200+ argument with my wife that you're going to cause at some point.

[@faaroncarthy680]

Yep I know that one😁 and I want to get the new heroquest and that's working out to be the same price. I suppose I do have two kidneys 🤣💚🇮🇪

[@SandyofCthulhu]

as soon as physically possible. THe money is in the hands of various chinese factories right now.

[@jarrod6670]

Sandy, you complete me. I am happy Sandy is making these high quality games, and I'm glad to support him and my addiction to miniature based gaming. The industry has moved forward because of Sandy pushing things. Glad you didn't end up in India making mobile games, their loss and our gain.

[@SandyofCthulhu]

The indian company was really sad when I told them I wasn't coming.

[@maximilianobartomucci6044]

Oh come on Sandy, don't try to fool us. We know perfectly well that you can get younger over time, but you're holding on using that steal life spell of yours until we're too old ourselves, and unable to notice it or to stop you. Oh, and I've wanted Cthulhu Wars since it was still on KS, it's price seems perfectly reasonable, but I've been unable to get it yet, since we've been having a rough time with the economy over here in Argentina for quite a few years now.

[@nithael123]

Sorry my english, the quality of the game is excellent, who does not want to pay the price of excellence that does not do it, thank you for developing this great game, continue with this beautiful masterpiece.

[@jirga_jirga]

I love the fact that you've made it possible to purchase miniatures from your games individually. I have bought shub niggurath and dire cthulhu for my tabletop miniature game needs and I love them.

[@tikazombie37]

I hate that I keep browsing sandy videos without the possibility of playing cthulhu wars the curses of living in the third world

[@Trisquad]

The silly sound effects in this video are just top notch hahaha. Thanks, Sandy. I'm still working around translating the spellbooks and playmats in order to play with my kids (we're brazilians), but I'm looking forward to take this to the table!

[@ethanevenson3855]

I’m still trying to get the game. It looks absolutely awesome, it’s just never in stock, and I imagine that’s a good sign.

[@EduardoFlores-bt4fo]

I could never afford these tabletop games :( But I love all your videos, from your developer days, to your Lovecraft discussions, and you just showing us your games and such, they are super cool! :)

[@olaf5929]

that was pretty much the same thing I felt as a kid. I don't want this to sound political but board games are a very expensive hobby if you're an average kid from a country in Central or Western Europe. Most people you see playing board games in board game shops in my country are like in their late 20s and older.

[@EduardoFlores-bt4fo]

@@olaf5929 yeah, that is true.now imagine me living in Latinamerican country with a salary less than $500 dollars per month :( It is just impossible for me to afford a tabletop game.

[@olaf5929]

@@EduardoFlores-bt4fo i know how you feel. Find some like-minded friends and save for a game you want. Games are luxury goods and in the end if you get great value out of them woth friends they're worth it. Just be sure to find find friends first and the game later 😁 I'm stuck with Arkham Horror alone since all my friends grew up or branched out into computer/console gaming and never came back to board games.

[@marekjurko4548]

Respectable approach.

[@jamesshade7551]

Thanks, Sandy! I can't wait to get my Onslaught stuff and put this on the table. I'm bummed that it won't be the 6+ player Cthulhu fest I'd imagined due to this darned Covid, but hopefully next year I'll be able to cart it to my local game store and pull in a group. And really hoping GENCON is a go next year, so I can come say "hello" in person!

[@SandyofCthulhu]

you and me both.

[@RecklessFables]

I'm just getting into the RPG and now I find out Sandy did this awesome TT game. One of my friends is an "all in" collector for this game and it is his job to make sure it is available for parties. (This was the beforetime, when we had parties in person). This is an exceptionally well-done game and not just due to the luxury aspect, it is the gameplay as well.

[@MrMaxBoivin]

I saw the title and my immediate reaction was "have you seen the fucking game? Of course, it's gonna be expensive! It can't be cheap to produce such a game".

[@stavivanackerson6563]

I just noticed the little "Tardis" on the shelf!!!! Who is your favorite Doctor? Mine is "Tom Baker"...

[@unperson5713]

Fascinating insight. You make games too? That's cool, I seldom play real games anymore, in fact, I haven't rolled a die in anger for many a year. I thought you were just a Cthulhu cultist.

[@SandyofCthulhu]

well I talk up the games, then some people in China do the actual making.

[@Xoguran]

Sandy, you may not be aware of the VTuber phenomenon that is taking KZbin of late but among them there is a Lovecraft enthusiast (her artistic name is Ninomae Inanis) that has expressed her desire to do a TTRPG based collaboration stream show. I do think it will be good for your company to offer them play the latest Cthulhu Mythos' campaign, Dark Worlds. If you are interested into knowing more, her company is Cover Corp and she belongs to the HoloLive English group.

[@SandyofCthulhu]

thanks!

[@martyj339]

This is the game that got me into tabletop games! I just spent $232 to buy the core set used! ( super deal, In great condition) Worth Every Penny! SANDY PETERSON! You're the god damn man!

[@cuthulux]

When it comes to Cthulhu Wars, you put it out and I'll buy it. (Except for those coins and the soundtrack, I didn't care for those). It's by far my favorite game to play, bar none. Thank you for creating it and going ham on the design.

[@SandyofCthulhu]

I was not responsible for the coins or soundtrack. Or the faction dice.

[@zombyjano]

It's a high quality product. It's a fun, engaging game. The figures alone are worth the price. The price is perfectly fine for what it is I say.

[@MysticZefer]

There will always be luxury products. $200 isn't a lot for a "luxury" product. I must have spent over $10k on Warhammer 40K. Now that's a luxury game.

[@oldschooloverlord]

Sandy I wasn't able to back CW, with cost being a significant factor (along with really needing to test it with my group first). But I never felt like it was excessively priced, it always seemed a premium product at a proportional price.

[@sergesolkatt]

Hello, Sandy! A video about Darklands would be so rad. Tales about the development of it, your thoughts on the aftermath, etc

[@SandyofCthulhu]

wow that product was a total death march.

[@eliaaboudib9557]

Thanks Sandy. I just hope there are more prints coming. Its very hard getting this game.

[@PossumMedic]

Getting old the true Horror! :O Thanks for the vid! :)

[@isaacnoe4574]

I bought the core set retail. I fell in love and hunted down everything else. Then I painted all the figures. No regrets. Thank you Sandy for your sacrifice and dedication to bring this amazing game to life!! Everyone else: It is worth the price!

[@tazmokhan7614]

it's true..the price of the games and expansions are pricey but since they come with LOTS of figures that I can use in my 7th edition Cthulhu game and my RIFTS RPG game and you cant get Cthulhu minis for TTRPG since they been out of circulation since the early 90s so I saved my money for a while and got them all and it was HELL of WORTH IT!! Got minis for 3-4 other TTRPG games and that not including my fantasy games, yeah I spent over 400 dollars on Cthulhu Wars but I got minis that I didn't have for my other TTPRG games, and that all worked, at least for me.

[@JoeOGosePresents]

Nice TARDIS is the backround.

[@JaketheCultist]

When will it be printed again? I'm going to be getting a lot of overtime at the ol' factory and the holidays are coming up!

[@SandyofCthulhu]

as we speak.

[@JaketheCultist]

@@SandyofCthulhu I went to a game store in a mall near me today. No one really heard of the game. I will buy this, learn the rules, and promote it. I WILL INITIATE POOR SOULS INTO THE CTHVLHV KVLT.

[@JaketheCultist]

And if it can be played by only 2 people, my Fiance said she's down so there is that too :)

[@malcolmdouglasmichaluk8263]

the game really shines the more players there are to keep the leading faction from winning

[@TheTormentus]

@@JaketheCultist I did the same in Chile: initiate a cthulhu wars cult

[@livingeclipse]

Never played cthulhu wars, but I have bought it. I play a LOT of 5e and this box is almost essential if you like minis. Worth the money by far!

[@_meatsoup]

If Games Workshop can make serious cash from insanely over priced, half assed games from videogames that are filled to the brim with glitches, over repetitive gameplay and mediocre story telling to board games that end up costing you a stupid amount of money if you want anything playable & figurines and paints that will cost a small fortune for a small army. Everybody who enjoys tabletop games should buy Sandy's games. They're not over priced at all. With Cthulhu Wars you get a tremendous amount of stuff in one box & if you like painting your figures there are 70 figures to go nuts with. There are tons of parts, a large game board and the rules are not only very well thought out, but also easy to pick up and learn. You definitely get more bang for your buck. On a side note: If you do paint the figurines, make sure you keep some obvious indication of their team color since the base colors are important to the game. I used an LED lit ring within my custom base plate for the figures since I went a little crazy with the texturing. Go here to buy Sandy's games. Own a piece of his heart and soul: petersengames.com/

[@IronSalamander8]

I'm in the Discord mostly for this game (and waiting for Hyperspace as I type this). It is pricey and hard to transport with all the things, but it's great fun and we've played dozens of times. Looking forward to many more plays once we can again! It may be my own predilection for heavy games, Star Fleet Battles is my all time favorite, but the actual rules are pretty easy to learn, it's all the interactions and special powers that add complexity, but also make each faction and the independents feel unique too.

[@wernerbergh9443]

Love this game, just wish I could find one in South Africa. Would LOVE my own copy.

[@DarthSchlemminator]

Can't wait to get my copy of Cthulhu Wars and Hyperspace

[@Thraka5]

Out of all the games you produce, My most favorite is Cthulhu Wars. There really is no other game out there like it. I can not get enough of cthulhu wars. I can watch other people play cthulhu wars. I love strategy games like Risk and later on 40k and Warmachine but Cthulhu wars feels like a combo of the Tabletop wargaming and Risk. But you play as the Super entities. It is just so awesome.

[@danielparson4574]

cant find a copy anywhere, when will you make this available again ????

[@SpoonyBard88]

Thank you for making Duel for people who just want to play a game.

[@moolate127]

The blister packs are very fairly priced, actually. Even comparable to Reaper Miniature's prices I would say, and they are notorious for being the most affordable brand.

[@MrBerserkinTime]

can't wait for the reprint!

[@j.cdenton2403]

These games always are pricey. They are also fun to boot :)

[@mordraynlachant271]

The lesson we learned here is that the old gods will never be appeased with riches nor will grant them

[@ywnrnf6028]

"Cthulhu racing game." *Bloodborne Kart*

[@verticalflats2816]

I agree with the concept of buying something and it is more expensive for lack of use.

[@beencybouncyburger]

Cost of multi-part and otherwise fancy eldritch horrors is no joke - I know of a Japanese resin Cthulhu 8" high that costs $90, and that's for ten unpainted pieces. Through that lens, Cthulhu Wars is absurdly cheap. Also - that hypothetical of a cthulhu racing game - the mind reels. Would there be races of traditional cars vs. byakhee? Would there be hounds of tyndalos on the track to destroy the guy in last place?

[@SandyofCthulhu]

Sadly the cthulhu racing game is NOT a hypothetical. "Cthulhu 5000"

[@beencybouncyburger]

@@SandyofCthulhu I read the phrase "the rats in the whitewalls" just now and I think my brain broke. Thanks. For all the awfulness of that, though, it seems like a race of just cars isn't making the most of a bad idea.

[@Janshevik]

But why not making a lite version? Yes, most reviews complained that it was basically a deluxe version. I mean, people still go nuts for deluxe and collector edition, not something you would fear that it may cannibalize the product. Great ones have tokens instead of miniatures, tokens can be thinner, etc. I bet many after buying cheaper version would go buy the 'deluxe' if they liked it. Since this is a technically a strategy game, do you have any points how can a strategy game be also scary? Like a RTS, I know top down view can eliminate some of that factor, but again there are still games that does it well, like Sunless sea. Also props mentioning Yugo, I am from the country where Yugo was produced and exported from :D

[@H-HWJvN]

It should be possible to buy the miniatures by themselves. They're great!

[@mrajaraven]

I think you can, they often sell them in Blister packs

[@SandyofCthulhu]

(cries real tears) petersengames.com/miniatures/

[@TerinLoghain]

cthulhu wars should also remain expensive, otherwise everyone has it on the board shelf. I completely understand your argument. it's always nice when people look at the shelf and are amazed say ohhh there is cthulhu wars i want to play that so badly xD

[@tylerdavis6389]

For someone like me the game is double valuable. I love thrusting Lovecraft into ttrpgs, but good miniatures who's designs I like are kinda hard to find. This way i have a full game as well as great minis that are scaled big enough and sculpted well enough too make a statement at D&D.

[@ImperatorZed]

I just got German retail and uh... it's expensive, sure, but not *that* expensive. I guess Kickstarter people paid a lot more though?

[@WeirdAmerica219]

I finally got a copy and I’m super stoke, the box is a little beat up but now one of my favorite board games next to BattleLore 2nd edition

[@VaughanCockell]

I have taken precisely the approach you talk about over your games. One deluxe over-the-top gorgeous special game (The Gods War), then stick to more normal sized/priced fare otherwise. Though the temptation to "deluxe-up" the components of the smaller games is very strong. A Petersen Game does have a certain reputation to uphold, after all...

[@SandyofCthulhu]

we can make better cardboard and stuff without jacking the price into the stratosphere.

[@VaughanCockell]

@@SandyofCthulhu I was actually referring to the temptation to buy the component upgrades for the smaller games, such as the resources pack for Evil High Priest. But its always nice to get high quality cardboard components anyway. 😊

[@IrrevMike]

I bought Cthulhu Wars and various expansions at Gen Con 2019. Since then, I've been gradually adding to the game. In all, I've spent around $1,000.00 on just this game. Do I regret it? No. Odds are I will continue to add to this game over time. Right now though, I'm waiting for my Kickstarter orders through The Game Steward to ship.

[@tazmokhan7614]

The miniatures alone have been worth the price, which by the way why I bought this game and the other boxes.

[@ClockworkOuroborous]

I'd love to get this, but I already have the OGRE kickstarter edition sitting on my bookcase as yet another game I don't play because I have no one to play it with.

[@ShinyCopperpot]

The problem is not with the price but with the availability.

[@obrenovic4130]

We need more factions of "Cthulhu Wars" please please please :) and a !!! Video Game !!!of Cthulhu wars that s Free to Play on Steam, but with a lot of weird skins that you can BUY like pink Cthulhu in girls Dress you will make millions good sir.

[@SandyofCthulhu]

Dude I have created 12 factions for Cthulhu Wars. I do like the idea of a pink Cthulhu tutu.

[@MrBerserkinTime]

@@SandyofCthulhu lmao

[@thriftjunkgaming1670]

Wait it's *only* $200 and people are complaining? 40k has singular units that cost that much or more...

[@polishedpebble4111]

I'd like to see a Godzilla license port over for this game.

[@ozzoldoshadda2993]

Are you kidding me?!! I'd buy this right now if I could find it anywhere for the $200 price tag. I've never seen it in person, but I can tell it's worth the price. Every place I find it it's sitting around $350 - $500... :(

[@newbreedcreator]

@Ozzol Doshadda - Try contacting Petersen Games. I think one of their Cthulhu Wars kickstarters may still be allowing late pledges, but I'm not 100% sure.

[@SandyofCthulhu]

@@newbreedcreator you can still late back Cthulhu Wars here www.kickstarter.com/projects/petersengames/cthulhu-wars-the-daemon-sultan

[@malcolmdouglasmichaluk8263]

If only they were available in Europe, not willing to pay import taxes on an already expensive game. I managed to get a first edition and azazoth expansion on ebay and one shaggai map, but I still want opener of the way and sleeper at least

[@faaroncarthy680]

Hello from Ireland 💚🇮🇪When is the third publication on the way? Iv sgined up and am awaiting the new print! This game is pricy but I think worth it. For me the new heroquest is nearly €200 and that doesn't have the same quality of miniatures 💚 can't wait to buy this one. 💚🇮🇪

[@mattm4557]

I’m not spending that kind of money on a board game. If it was more affordable, I would have bought it years ago.

[@ralfkwok]

I am a new fans and missed all onslaught....and hope there will be onslaught 5 all in pledge....if no....I may need to seek in Amazon or 2nd hand market

[@marcoderivas2920]

Sandy, comes first that I admire your work. Your games are excellent and many of them are iconic and among my best preferred ones. I proudly own every single product of the Cthulhu Wars product line. I also have everything that you Kickstarter for Planet Apocalypse. I bet you heard this other times, but as a customer of your company I don't resent paying hundreds of $ for the game CW is. I like the game a lot and I'm sold on the concept of the over produced game. I know you're not technically saying "my games are miniature games". Yet, they are and it's why they're so expensive. I got to say that I kind of like the minis on CW, despite them not being very good except a few of them, which are ok, but overall the quality is not so good. I found the quality of Planet Apocalypse, compared to the quality of the designs (I'm fascinated by them) and perhaps even the renders, quite lacking. I'm willing to pay, but not for that quality and that's why that, after receiving my PA all-in pledge, I said to me that I would not invest more on this kind of games by your company, except Cthulhu Wars. I know more quality would mean a pricier game and you would probably drop enough sales not to justify it. However, if I as a customer I could choose between CW as is or a more expensive with quality miniatures or cheaper version with no miniatures, I would go for either. Petersen Games' products are in a tough middle ground for me, with not good enough miniatures and a very high price because it has a lot of big miniatures.

[@woges5093]

Does THE Carl Sandford really need to justify his games these days? A sad statement of our post modern times.

[@tozmom615]

Is it because they use enough plastic you could use it to give the entirety of hollyweird stardom a facelift every year?

[@sirguy6678]

People know the price of games- just ask them! Cthulhu wars is high quality and a high level game for serious gamers! Quality costs - Cthulhu wars is the Bentley of gaming - not the Ford Focus

[@SandyofCthulhu]

exactly. There is a place for both.

[@Wolfphototech]

*Answer to the title : Because quality costs money .* *As for Mobile games for smartphones .* *95% mobile games ether break even or lose money .* *The notion that mobile games make a lot of money is a illusion due to a few super popular ones that everyone knows about .*

[@PigSoldier1]

It's a pity that Gods war didn't make better, I want more T_T

[@BF-Gator]

400$ JESUS CHRIST IT'S A BOARD GAME NOT A VIDEOGAME!!!!!!!!!

[@MadHauk]

I'm glad my many years as a Magic player has completely desensitized me to thinking $200 is a lot to spend on a board game :) I went all in on the original kickstarter (which was underprized really) and my collection has only grown since. The figures are a joy to paint and look great on the shelf, and are very impressive to use in any roleplaying-game. The fact that the game itself is great and never gets old is just a bonus!

[@riba2233]

Yugo 😂

[@deecap71]

You are probably undercharging....rat race is like $1600 last i checked, and it's a glorified version of monopoly (it does what it does very well though i admit)

[@bruggeman672]

Here's the problem with your justification. Many of us, such as those of us on disability, are unable to afford luxuries such as eating out, not just regularly but anytime, and who needs escapism more than those whose everyday lives are miserable?