Why Israel's Onslaught Can’t Win - w/ Major-General Charlie Herbert

Since this horror began, we've platformed lots of perspectives - but one has been missing, military expertise. Major-General Charlie Walker served in the British Army for well over three decades and explains to me why Israel's onslaught against Gaza is self-defeating on its own terms - and how peace can't be achieved by military means, but by ending the occupation.
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[@nk-gp1ml]

Did Israel lose its moral compass? Did it ever have one? Israel’s response in Gaza was completely expected based on its history of oppression and extremist politics.

[@AndalusPoet]

Well said!

[@chrisko6439]

Yes, I remember saying to a friend in October '23: "This is going to be like Warsaw 1944."

[@malikba8048]

You're absolutely right ! Just as if they said did the Wehrmach lose its moral compass un WW2 ! It makes no sense, from rank to chief of staff everyone is rotten. They must je dragged to court like any other war criminal. We are sick and tired of this double standard

[@cirrus1964]

What????? they never had any moral compass.

[@Grace-bk4tq]

very true

[@michelebishara4498]

If this guys thinks the majority of the IDF are decent people, he’s not paying attention. The majority of Israeli SOCIETY thinks not enough force is being used.

[@alanelliot2394]

yes correct I have just pointed this out in a comment

[@claredove5017]

He is rightly considering that surely the IDF has military discipline. Cough.

[@alanelliot2394]

@@claredove5017 Ha funny NO they obviously do not have any sort of guidance or discipline which is disgraceful to see an army behaving in this way.

[@sueparnell3818]

💯💯

[@carlomariaromano4320]

Scott Ritter offers more insightful information and an even better analysis of the issue at hand.

[@hanifsamnakay4170]

Britain has also lost its moral compass.

[@mischevious]

Can you cite a historical period when they had one? Loosen your standards as much as you need to to arrive at a positive answer.

[@covidradio1387]

What moral compass? Colonial compass or racist compass?

[@zafrullahyazid6542]

Power and greed corrupt.

[@eriklarsson3188]

Britain is an island. You're looking for a country, and the country is called _England_

[@shaynelahmed6323]

SUNAK and Co lost their moral compass - not the British!

[@safyasin3273]

You have to have a moral compass, to lose a moral compass

[@brutallyremastered4255]

🕎

[@AbCd-te4pd]

Exactly. There is a documentary called "Tantora" with witnesses of what is happened 1948. It shows that they never had a single thing called moral.

[@maitreya1906]

This is something I worry about: it appears from the inception of Israel the compass was unfindable; kicking people out and saying you can't come back

[@cdean2789]

Moses got lost in the wilderness for 40 years.

[@user-et9xv6jp5l]

exactly

[@Zuleika_1]

“Resistance of the Palestinians did not create this conflict. The conflict created Palestinian Resistance ” 🇵🇸

[@samluca1244]

Wow! witty and sharp...I like your comment.

[@ms-zi4wc]

The fact that they are palestinians, a group of people who haven't contributed anything to humanity for a thousand years, is what created the conflict. "Normal people" who get displaced make new lives elsewhere.

[@ron0311]

Resistance if futile. The more they resist, the more the 72 virgins are busy.

[@zukosameer9988]

So well said - why are the majority of people unable to see the logic - truth is we would all do the same, wouldn't we?

[@HOGH22]

✌💯✅

[@adrianprice4909]

They are not mistakes they are crimes

[@JacobRothman]

Are you a judge or a barrister or just some yahoo

[@michelhong3355]

​@@JacobRothman u don't need to be any of those to SEE the CRIMES being committed, maybe u should try opening your eyes!

[@darknagaadventures7884]

I have to disagree with the Major General, this s not a tiny minority of the IDF, this is the majority and the status quo. I do agree it stems from a moral failure in leadership.

[@MissKittyElla]

That's exactly what I thought.

[@DLG24]

Of course he would say that because his army are training/trained their army.

[@chrisko6439]

I think it stems from a failure in moral education and example. This is a reservist army, remember. Israeli society is doing this. Not some mercenaries.

[@aminamangera4871]

Most of my comments here have been blocked by you tube. I was careful to compare South African Apartheid paternalism where I was born with the dehumisation of Palestinians and the subsequent justification for their actions.

[@rolandscales9380]

True. The myth of Palestinian racial, moral and intellectual inferiority runs right through Israeli society and is encouraged by the broadcasting and school systems. Israelis who break ranks and sympathise with Palestinians (the refuseniks for example) are given a hard time.

[@snipelite94]

I, for one, had a very very naive idea of the Israel-Gaza situation. Until Oct 6th, I assumed it was just a tad worse than Northern Ireland during the troubles. The Israeli comments and actions since, have utterly dispelled that forever. Gaza can never never go back under Israel's boot. The US and Israel had plenty of opportunities to broker a fair and respectful solution, over the last decades, but they instead chose to scam the Palestinians out of more and more land. I'm not going to call the Israeli "animals", because even animals aren't self-conscious enough to practice true sadistic evil.

[@R.IAmEnough]

Well said.

[@user-en4db3eq6t]

Totally agree 👍

[@sueparnell3818]

💯💯

[@legogoku7425]

I hope there are many like you, opening their eyes to the truth. I got permanently suspended from Twitter over a year ago for saying Israel was an occupier and apartheid state. There has been, and still is, an effort to suppress the truth. It gives me hope to read comments like yours. People (most) just need to be educated on the subject.

[@amgguy4319]

Yes, Animals have never used America's White Phosphorus on Palestinian Children to ensure maximum excruciating suffering before their deaths. Israel certainly has.

[@user-qf1zg4zz8j]

​At this rate I am praying for humanity worldwide. I can't believe I have to march against genocide.

[@tellitasitis]

I think I am getting to understand the New World order of the USA/Israel and its supporters. Its where The UN is disrespected and the International Court of Justice ignored. Its where Genocide is normalized. What we built and defended in the past we now attack. How did we get to this level of Evil in our governments ?

[@thecount3965]

Genuine question, and I do think what’s happening in Gaza is f’d up and completely out of hand, do you consider what is going on in Ukraine as genocide as I do

[@user-qf1zg4zz8j]

Any time you have a megalomaniac with no moral compass and the power with no checks and balances, humanity needs to be wary. Mariupol was an indicator as far as I'm concerned, but I confess I haven't followed it as closely since. I'm a Brit with Christian Palestinian heritage so my focus has been firmly on Gaza.@@thecount3965

[@nadiaennab8896]

you see 10k dead civilians as a genocide but not 30k ?12k dead babies is not a genoicde to you ?@@thecount3965

[@katong1953]

@user-qf. Just as unbelievable, the number of people supporting genocide and baying for Palestinian blood is huge. I am wondering what percentage of the population are they.

[@iantoshkiev]

Justice for the people of Palestine

[@user-ul9is6nn1v]

Justice now!

[@Steamandstream]

80% of the Palace-lndians support the Oct. 7 attacks & still support Humus They are getting their "justice" if you think about it! @@user-ul9is6nn1v

[@OasisTypeZaku]

Justice for the People of Palestine will come soon.❤

[@stan4723]

Collective delusion which is a reality.

[@ron0311]

There are no people of palestine.

[@shaynelahmed6323]

Correction: Israel didnot lose its moral compass. It NEVER had one!😂😂

[@lhass2409]

Hahahahahahah❤

[@michellenorris8471]

@@lhass2409 Sadly. it's not a joke.

[@azizaelamri]

Well said

[@eddielindaa]

One sided

[@Penny-em2cs]

That is the disgusting truth

[@clarithromycine-oo9qp]

Not only the 80% of released people will never forgive. But us also who are watchinv we will never forgive colonizers

[@Radagast-]

One has to consider that if the idf is capable of behaviour such as that, then they are capable of behaing that way towards anyone... "First they came for socialists," and all that.

[@clarithromycine-oo9qp]

@@Radagast- One has to stand for the right thing in his life time, no matter how much it will cost .

[@dinaramadan3416]

All of us around the world who are witnessing these sadistic atrocities from the I D F will never forget and will never forgive.

[@mischevious]

@@Radagast-Fun fact; US troops and Law enforcement train with ID F.

[@racechick2033]

That makes so much sense! ​@@mischevious

[@sassy_xo]

the collective punishment that the iof have done last 2 months is beyond evil 💔

[@RendhyGumilang-uz3zx]

With very horror damage

[@sutapasbhattacharya9471]

4 months

[@najaahamari4199]

76 years

[@docbrown1582]

Let's be clear, it is the Israeli offensive force not defense force.

[@ontheroad684]

For the last 75 years… they don’t care about hostages they are just itching for a chance to compress the timeframe of what they’ve been doing to their so called human animals for 75 years

[@fairygaslight8660]

It's fascinating that Isreal expects Palestinians to rise up and "control" Hamas, when Isreal's entire IDF can't do it. What a fatuous stance.

[@scented-leafpelargonium3366]

@fairygaslight8660 : The Palestinian Arabs don't rise up to control Hamas because they support Hamas in its aim to totally destroy Israel, thus it is clear Israel has no partner for peace, just as Britain realised in two World Wars that after being attacked by Germany and asessing its threat that they too did not have a peaceful regime to engage with any more. The result twice was the same conclusion: war. The world does not allow this for Israel.

[@noxolotshabangu8055]

The funniest part is that israel created Hamas in 1987 to defuse the influence of the PLO under Yasser Arafat. They also funded Hamas in 2006 and 2014 so that they win elections, hoping to control Palestine through Hamas. What an epic fail.

[@iloveprivacy8167]

& they keep besieging Gaza & encouraging allies to cut off supplies. If they think deprivation helps, doesn't that mean we should stop supplying ISRAEL?

[@ms-zi4wc]

You see palestinian mobs in the street everywhere else. Why not Gaza?

[@aries6776]

It's even more of a ridiculous stance when we know that Netanyahu himself encouraged and funded Hamas to oppose the far more secular PLO because he was so concerned about it moving everyone closer to a 2 state solution which he is virulently opposed to. He is highly culpable for everything that Hamas have done.

[@magdatheuns1566]

Wikileaks published so much about war crimes. Julian Assange suffered more than enough. Please fight for his freedom.

[@covidradio1387]

Come show your support for him on 20th and 21st Feb at the High Court

[@ms-zi4wc]

Is wikileaks a definitive source now?

[@tigrecito48]

i used to ride horses at Sandhurst... i was always quite nationalistic when young and wanted to join the RAF and did aerospace engineering... then i was told i cant join the military due to health reasons, so i went travelling instead.. it was travelling where i learned about the world and politics and history and started to realise what heinous atrocities our western nations have done to the world iin the name of capitalism, nationalism colonialism and imperialism and now I am 100% glad that i never joined any British armed services, because by now i'd probably be a war criminal

[@R.IAmEnough]

Thanks for having a clear conscience and clean hands. There's a lot of blood on too many hands. Balfour Declaration should be annulated. Military troops must be withdrawn from the entire of Africa and the Middle East. Let the refugees and migrants go back to their homelands that are turned into war zones by imperial powers. Colonialism must be abolished, and Nuremburg trials must be revived. There won't be any peace, without justice.

[@DLG24]

Well done mate!

[@user-qf1zg4zz8j]

Maybe that's why they are desperate to increase recruitment as per your example.

[@shikarahaar]

The universe works in mysterious ways.

[@Koloviv48i]

Thank you for educating yourself.

[@moniruzzamankhan8218]

Israel never had any moral compass if one looks at the previous atrocities being committed in Gaza in last 50 years. Thank you Owen as usual for presenting a great guest.

[@kavemanjosh]

What atrocities? Can you provide examples?

[@ms-zi4wc]

The atrocity being committed in Gaza over the past 75 years is that the creatures living there define themselves as victims instead of making useful lives for themselves. That's the crime being committed in Gaza. And it's being committed by arabs. Where is my flat screen TV? My internet? My free cell phone? My "humanitarian aid"? WHERE IS MY FREE STUFF?

[@halofreak1990]

@@kavemanjoshHmmm... Where to start? Norman Finkelstein's list is rather long, but includes, among others, Operations "Cast Lead" and "Protective Edge", both of which were part of Israel's periodic culling of the Gazan population, targeting civilians and infrastructure. Also, their frequent use of Palestinians, often children, as human shields against resistance fighters.

[@gerardboorsma3418]

Who is shooting 5000 rockets. Who has to defend themselves with an 'iron dome'

[@sparks7949]

Special place in hell for Hamas but not for Israeli war criminals? What are these continuous double standards?

[@user-xu5vl5th9n]

War is hell. So don't start one.

[@viwitaful]

​@@user-xu5vl5th9n Exactly, don't invade other people's land, set up apartheid and grab even more land.

[@republica13]

​@@viwitaful seems like he forgot a few facts.

[@alanelliot2394]

I agree you don't condemn one horror but allow another horror to continue Both are guilty of War Crimes and Israel as been guilty of War Crimes for 75 years.

[@mischevious]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@alanelliot2394Those suffering oppression and occupation have a legal obligation to fight for their own freedom.

[@maggieonfire5208]

Owen please please make a video with Mansoor Shoumans mother, thousands innocents like him are pribbly being tortured right now by IDF, we need to create more pressure and awareness of the forced abduction of innocent people,his canadian ciizenship couldnt protect him,imagine what is happening to the rest of people

[@R.IAmEnough]

Prayers for Mansour 🙏

[@user-qf1zg4zz8j]

Excellent point well made. Also the Palestinian prisoners ( actually hostages) are so de-humanised in media especially when compared to Israeli hostages where we get 3d colour graphics and emotional interviews with family. If Owen reads this could I suggest including B't Selem and the Palestinian human rights organisations for a wider perspective on the situation.

[@hanaaabed3662]

Thank you so much for this request

[@butterflypooo]

Yes, please!!! Our Canadian prime minister has done basically nothing to fight for Mansour. He just keeps saying that he is “working on it” and every day that passes Mansour is definitely being tortured.

[@kjw6383]

Canadians like Mansour and Americans disappear and where are their governments and why do they say nothing?

[@fattinamia]

Please interview Miko Peled. He's an Israeli general's son and he is very straight talking and unapologetic about condemning Israls crimes. He takes a more radical view of not condemning the resistance to a repressing, occupying power. Thinking that the war crimes are committed by a few bad apples is naive at best.

[@jayartz8562]

Owen did an interview with him about 3 weeks ago.

[@ablakandalaft8593]

He has, a few weeks back I think

[@fattinamia]

You are right, I recall now. While Miko is always great, I'd like to hear something like what he said recently at a EU meeting. Not even the independent media in Britain dare pushing back on the mandatory condemnation of the resistance.

[@Dr_MKUltra]

Israel is easily the worst state in history

[@matoko123]

Tis a pity they control all western governments.

[@andym9571]

Dont be daft. Its bad but nowhere near the worst

[@matoko123]

@@andym9571 The fact that they control the US's foreign policy I would agree that they are the worst state in history.

[@SarahBibi-fx3jo]

Well said

[@JupiterMoon7]

​@@andym9571look who's being daft now

[@askaddoura11]

It’s not a minority..this is what’s been captured on video. How many more atrocities were not reported?

[@user-kf7vr6xf5l]

Charlie is definitely on a journey,, but he still hasn't reached the destination.

[@karincarl4535]

I have been amazed at all the perspectives you have brought to the table Owen. Truth an Knowledge will grow amongst the Citizens in every Country that has been lied to for so long. Thankyou again & again. An American Woman. ( Native )

[@MT-vi4le]

❤❤❤❤🙏🙏

[@mariagavienas2806]

Well said sister. Native Americans were treated as the Palestinians are being treated. The only difference is that we are seeing it happen.

[@jamilahana1728]

Aho sister✋ No one can understand better what the Palestinian people are going through as you do. Much love from Morocco. 🤲🙏💖🇲🇦🇵🇸🇵🇸

[@user-qf1zg4zz8j]

Your heritage and DNA are writ large in this conflict. In our thousands, In our millions we are all Palestinians.......🍉✊👍

[@littleredhen2894]

Agreed! ❤

[@johnwashington9292]

I am halfway through “Goliath: Life and Loathing in Greater Israel” by Max Blumenthal and strongly advise all others to purchase it. This will give you a realistic look at the national mindset that is creating such unimaginable cruelty in Gaza.

[@Pomegranate_David]

Very harrowing read. You should read The Management of Savagery by Blumenthal next. It gives the context for the War on Terror and the American creation of terrorism to divide the Arab world.

[@samchris3793]

Ordered my self a copy. Thank you.

[@andym9571]

Same here. Even as someone who has spent time in Israel and been to the West Bank..it is a real eye opener

[@JacobRothman]

I would not rely on blumenthall to buy my toilet paper the guy is a sociopath

[@johnwashington9292]

@@Pomegranate_David Thanks. Will take you up on that.

[@michaelparkinson3439]

Agree with most of what the Major said but disagree with one point in particular, the Israeli onslaught was not just a reaction, it was a strategy, not a wise one though!

[@R.IAmEnough]

It's been their strategy since 1946.

[@johnbooth3073]

Major General, not a Major, he knows what he is talking about and obviously has no time for the Israelis.

[@csharpe5787]

@@johnbooth3073 even generals, get it wrong. Clearly Israel was itching to get in and flat, and Gaza. They’ve even ploughed up symmetries, trying to eradicate every stitch of history and humanity left.

[@ovidiudraghici9941]

What moral compass is he talking about? Israel's moral compass? This genocide has been going on for ~80 years and is facilitated by the British empire in both its old form (UK) and new form (US).

[@andym9571]

You forget Europe. Israel would not exist but for the genocides in Europe

[@felixdim3977]

Spot on

[@JacobRothman]

Total nonsense go back to school@@felixdim3977

[@andym9571]

You are forgetting Europe's roll in all of this. The big one.

[@Thelma7361]

Not sure I agree it’s a few bad apples. Even just going by the testimonies of ex IDF veterans who have spoken out in regret over the years, there’s a severe racist and immaturity culture problem within the Isreali military.

[@adamp2426]

It's policy. They have kill quotas (for civilians). I forget the name of the ex idf soldier who spoke about this.

[@wolfiesown]

I am sure that it isn’t. It’s too structural and has been the same for 76 years.

[@carlomariaromano4320]

A young man from ISR was Owen's guest, and he corroborated your statements. In contrast to this individual, who is being quite diplomatic and charitable in his assessment, Scott Ritter has a greater understanding of this matter and says it like it is.

[@jayartz8562]

Not just the military, but the whole society.

[@thepoetesskhansaa]

​@@jayartz8562yes you are right. I would advise people to look up Nuru Peled who talks about the education system in Israel and how deeply racist it is

[@Spirit_Inspiration]

When they are told, “Do not spread corruption in the land,” they reply, “We are only peace-makers!”

[@Abusteif1]

Indeed, it is they who are the corruptors, but they fail to perceive it.

[@MalTimeTV]

"I suspect the majority of IDF soldiers are decent people." I beg to differ.

[@malihajung6531]

No way is it a few bad apples!!

[@ms-zi4wc]

You're talking about UNRWA or the palestinians?

[@PenguinsUnited]

The IDF merely mirror the humiliation that Palestinians have been suffering for decades! This is the norm!

[@Radagast-]

C. 16:00 Charlie seems to have assumed that the purpose of Israel's frolic was retribution and the destruction of Hamas. It seems plausible that Israel was aware that an attack was imminent and used it as an excuse for a land grab. The indiscrimate conduct of the hostilities and the deliberate herding of the population supports this hypothesis.

[@habsom1406]

Yeah, it's suspicious that one of the world's most supposedly well trained and equipped armies was caught napping on 7th Oct and took 7 hours to show up! The Dome, high grade CCTV, monitoring posts all along the 'security wall', trained guards and the IDF was no where to be seen.

[@firebyrd437]

You are right

[@jo-annerichardson34]

Absolutely 💯

[@felixdim3977]

💯💯

[@iloveprivacy8167]

It's also possible they were unaware of the attack, but planned to use any excuse that came up.

[@Forest-mj9jc]

Owen, great interview & hugely important that you've got a 2-star rank British military officer on your show. Hes had to be very careful not to be too critical of Israel, given the UK's "Strategic Partnership Agreement" with that state (2021). It could cause diplomatic embarrassment if he went too far. Defence cooperation is very close. We arm Israel & share intelligence through GCHQ & military channels. Some serious flaws with the General's points: 1 - IDF atrocities are not down to a few "bad apples".They have been endemic for 7 decades & deeply embedded into Israel's racial supremacist, colonial-settler culture. 2 - Israel is democratic only on paper. In practice, it is an Apartheid state. 3 - He seems to accept the IDF's atrocity claims at face value & assumes that Hamas is worse. This is not evidence based, as verified by independent forensic experts. 4 - He says that the IDF "has occasionally stooped to the level" of inflicting war crimes. This is in fact the norm. If it wasn't then I'd doubt that Israel was judged to have committed "plausible genocide" by the ICJ. The IDF's behaviours & disregard for the rules of war are comparable to the Waffen SS in the Warsaw Ghetto (1943) & Warsaw Uprising (1944).

[@jahithalil4097]

Nice one Owen, a positive move to include a military perspective for your listeners.

[@user-qf1zg4zz8j]

Humane military perspective.

[@alutacontinua725]

Only 2% of Israeli’s are against this war.

[@jeremiasrobinson]

Keep up the great work, Owen. You are being a voice for many who are being silenced.

[@griseldaholmes3280]

Always brilliant Owen Jones Thank you

[@jamesdiamond-mr8bm]

If he goes to Palestine, not only will he have to hide his sexual preference for fear of his safety, but any venue which hosts him will be threatened with destruction, just like the music venues that tried to let gay musicians play

[@ralphlinville6646]

Deplorable behaviour by the IDF

[@AngeGunn]

I appreciate you sharing different voices and points of view Owen, but this narrative of “a few bad apples” is very hwyte supreme a cyst. There is a systemic problem within the Izz really military and sadly within Izz really society and it must be addressed for the safety of all - especially Pal est Inians. Noam Chomsky speaks about this in “On Palestine”. This Major General’s turn of phrase could be read as though only horrible things are happening on camera, and that if it’s not being recorded, it’s because it’s military business as usual - not “these bad apples”. This narrative is easy to debunk through journalist footage on the ground. Plus, We all know that “a few bad apples” can spoil the whole bunch which is what lead to The Hola cost in Germany. And it’s not as if this just started after Oct 7th so this rot has been festering for literal decades. We have to be so careful as hwyte folks with the language we use while talking about Izz real’s siege on Ga za because we can so easily further hwyte supreme a see unchecked.

[@adamp2426]

Absolutely. I remember Max Hastings writing about Netanyahus abhorrent views decades ago.

[@republica13]

​@@adamp2426Netanyahu is the face of evil. Always has been.

[@Adam-lz7sr]

Not only are there systemic abuses in the IDF,but the whole of Israeli society has a blood lust right now. %66 of Israelis think that there isint enough bombing in Gaza,and people protesting to stop humanitarian aid from going into Gaza.

[@alanelliot2394]

I totally agree I have commented on this since its the exact reverse the majority are rotten apples from the top to the bottom.

[@HOGH22]

@@adamp2426 hwyte supreme a cyst😂😂😂😂 using intelligence to overcome the epic KZbin c3ns0rsh!p!

[@baibas3180]

There are just few bad apples in IDF? No, majority are bad apples. Could not watch more after this remark.

[@jahelation8658]

Israel is an IDF state

[@VintageBabyOx]

Exactly, he admits he doesn't know enough about Palestine/Israel that's why he's judging from his own military experience.

[@beatretreat8043]

But not all.

[@user-hr2ro9fi7r]

Major General Charlie Herbert - a humane, high ranking military officer with a functioning moral compass - unlike his counterparts in The IDF.

[@claredove5017]

Or members of our Government and Opposition.

[@zoo-xibbitjayne2081]

Maybe. Probably a co-opting charade.

[@thinkingtoomuch7974]

Kind of easy to do a commentary taking a populist stance from one's living room.

[@zoo-xibbitjayne2081]

@@thinkingtoomuch7974 people want to believe in goodness in each other. That's one reason why deception and double-speak is so evil.

[@salimkanji]

Why are the settlers sending their families to Russia, Europe and USA for safety during the conflict? The reason is that these countries' are the real homes of the settlers.

[@CandideSchmyles]

The Major General speaks with forked tongue.

[@matoko123]

I think you could be right.

[@sreckobrzin8534]

Yes? Enlighten us please with proof. If you can ?

[@emm1756]

@@sreckobrzin8534He says that Israel lost its moral compass because of the trauma of a terror attack - which completely glosses over the 75 years of violent oppression. He’s trying to make excuses on behalf of Israel.

[@emm1756]

@@sreckobrzin8534He says that the majority of IDF soldiers are decent people - however war crimes are being committed on a grand scale, which would be impossible if it was “just a few bad apples”. He’s effectively trying to defend the IDF.

[@emm1756]

@@sreckobrzin8534He’s downplaying war crimes by suggesting that they are simply strategic mistakes.

[@SnowCedarQueen]

Pragmatic analysis and some thought provoking points made. Though I have to disagree on the point that there's just a few bad apples. Troughtout the decades of occupation, sadly the majority of IDF have exposed their xenophobic practices. Undue violence and killings of civilians, illegal raids, kidnappings of children along with adults, and general immorality towards Palestenians. You have ex IDF speaking of this themselves.

[@matoko123]

Absolutely.

[@kathrynhayman5758]

This is not a war as people keep saying. This is a massacre short and simple. Also according to international law it may be the Geneva Convention I can't now remember Israel has no right at all to invade or to punish anyone in territory it is occupying and that includes Hamas or any other so-called terrorist group. Conversely the Palestinians have the right to to resist and to use any methods in order to liberate themselves from an occupying force so this is definitely not a war which implies more or less equal arms and strength on both sides. I wish professionals such as Owen Jones and other journalists would stop using the term.

[@alanelliot2394]

Absolutely correct. This is NOT a War you cannot wage War on an occupied people when your the occupier. This is enshrined in the UN Charter and those occupied have the Legal Right and Obligation under that Law to resist the occupation.

[@miriamlandau1207]

I completely agree. I have been saying that from the beginning and people are defining this incorrectly. The Palestinians are being slaughtered by a well equipped military. That's not war! That is genocide. They are an occupied people and they are fighting back which is their right. As the occupying country Israel does not have the right to defend itself in a manner that is ridiculously out of proportion to what Hamas did on October 7.

[@SeamusMcFitz-jz9if]

The world was warned about these people.

[@kylieharper5405]

I loved his freudian slip when talking about Northern Ireland 'as we caused it' then corrected to 'as we called it' - Yes, England, you CAUSED it!

[@DRUNKBEATZ]

This! No wonder he tries to make people think it’s just a few „bad apples“

[@nizal9388]

If the Palestinians benefited from having a first world aesthetic, we would be quick to call this a genocide rather than using semantics to soften the reality by calling it acts or deeds of possible intent. This is the issue I tale with this military guy. We try to contextualise israeli genocide while viewing Oct 7 with no context and being quick to resort to using inflammatory language. Saying barbaric while ignoring the 3500 Palestinian civilians under arrest for years with no due trial held before Oct 7

[@matoko123]

Absolutely.

[@ms-zi4wc]

You need to lookk up the word "genocide" instead of using "code phrases" that make you sound .... well... dumb. Look up Babi Yar,, The Ravine, Sobibor. Look at the photos. That's genocide. OMG. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

[@gersondiplo]

I'd like to know what is being done (and what can be done) about aid that's being blocked from entering Gaza by Israeli protesters.

[@StALu-uv7ks]

Removing all restrictions over the IDF in Gaza reminds me of what the Wehrmacht was also informed and instructed as they marched East to invade the Soviet Union in what became a brutal 4 year war of annihilation

[@ms-zi4wc]

It may remind you of a trip to the moon. That is your lack of knowledge speaking. Your simile is not accurate in the least.

[@nottheweather438]

Brilliant interview Owen. Great guest.. Seems like a very sensible chap. Thank You both. ❤

[@peterswires8439]

I note with dismay that both men agree about the 'Hamas atrocities' without alluding to one crucial thing: the distinct possibility that Israel knew October 7th was going to happen but did nothing to stop it because it WANTED it to happen, to give it a pretext for slaughtering innocent Palestinians.

[@aries6776]

This is what I believe. Netanyahu is on record that Hamas is the solution to a 2 state solution and that they need a big war to completely rid Gaza of Palestinians. All this as he was just about to be tried for corruption. The man is a human cockroach. He was told by the head of Egyptian intelligence 10 days before that Hamas were about to do something big but didn't reinforce the security around Gaza. Now they have completely destroyed Gaza so it is pretty much uninhabitable. This is what he always wanted.

[@jeannettebrewer3007]

My thoughts exactly!!😮

[@marcus3173]

And that they themselves caused many of deaths under the H4nn ibal directive.

[@user-lr1rv4du7y]

Whilst I welcome most of the Major’s comments and comparisons, I was somewhat irked when he called Iraqi’s “prisoners of war”. Iraq did not start a war with the US n Britain. It was an illegal war that the US and Britain started with Iraq. Also he said that the British army took the moral high ground when compared to the Taliban in Afghanistan. There have been numerous cases of appalling treatment of Afghanis at the hands of the British army including cold blooded murder of innocent civilians which were then covered up by the top ranking army personnel during their illegal invasion and 20 year colonisation of Afghanistan. No mention of any of that. Shame otherwise it would have been an excellent interview.

[@chrism.9892]

It was and is strategy not an overreaction. There's no whitewashing all that bloody carnage.

[@user-xx4bf7et5h]

Could you please devote an episode for Rachel Corrie and those peace workers who were brutally murdered and lost their lives in the struggle against occupation and colonialism

[@gghstlr]

Five minutes in and he’s already making apologies for Biden and talking about Israel’s moral compass?? Obviously, the later is an oxymoron, but the reflexive need for Brits to justify Americas support of Israel is disqualifying. Sorry Owen.

[@domenicamassaro8221]

It is not that soldiers "loose a moral compass". It is that soldiers wear an uniform, represent the State, carry arms and have the right to use the force. All things forbidden to civilians. So they have the right to do things forbidden to civilians, and if they do wrong the victim has no right to respond

[@adamp2426]

And when inevitably the civilians respond, they get labelled terr*rists. See the same thing in Kashmir, people 'disappeared', mass torture sites..

[@cybercuichi]

What you mean is they have the right to respond, but they are powerless to do so!

[@adamp2426]

They're labelled if they do respond. Same in Kashmir.

[@cybercuichi]

@@adamp2426 My whole point it's simple, someone is pointing at you with a gun ready to shoot you, or cause you harm, well what other choice you have, but to comply if you do not want to get in more trouble than you already are? Unless you want to play the role of a tough guy, and bear the consequences, if you dare? Not a place any of us will like to be, period.

[@Hesham_MK]

You can never kill an idea.

[@ms-zi4wc]

That works both ways

[@Hesham_MK]

@@ms-zi4wc Exactly

[@Jouantiese]

No need to.

[@DLG24]

Wonderful to hear from a man who worked for the military who created this problem to begin with.

[@beatretreat8043]

Politicians created this problem, not the military. The British military try hard to stomach their orders. But the politicians sometimes ask the impossible.

[@DLG24]

​@@beatretreat8043By your logic, a killer is a victim because his abusive parents made him do it.

[@redtop1705]

Owen I’m so glad that I have subscribed to your videos as they have been very informative as to what’s happening in Gazza 👍

[@onwardatlast]

Owen, Listening to this interview I am struct at the MG Herbert's muted characterization of the IDF in light of the indiscriminate murder of Palestinians, including three escaped Israeli hostages who were executed as they waved a white flag of surrender.

[@richw9394]

If they are purposes filming themselves doing such atrocities, you can't imagine what acts they are doing off camera.

[@aries6776]

Exactly. Tip of the iceberg.

[@asnaeb2]

Thank you Owen for being such a trooper!

[@PenguinsUnited]

Oct 7 too needs to be explicated! Two duplicitous phrases are “What about Oct 7, ?” and “Israel has the right to defend itself.” Look at the atrocities committed repeatedly based on these two phrases’

[@salmakarim5708]

Most debunked eg 40 be headed babies

[@ms-zi4wc]

Please list "the atrocities". And then please explain your well thought out response of what would have been better. I am dying to know "the real solution".

[@salmakarim5708]

@@ms-zi4wc you need help if you have not seen whats going on icj even said they are committing a genocide nicely

[@minekara6407]

Thank you Owen Jones for your detailed coverage of this conflict. I must admit I have changed my position about you, your early sky news appearances come to mind.

[@Ntthabi]

My dear friend Owen I am normally here for you amd the people of Gaza but today I am here for the Major General... I am so taking my time😊. Love from South Africa 🇿🇦

[@mznxbcv12345]

On the 7th, it is crucial to understand that there were no direct attacks on civilians, only collateral damage. Out of the 1148 total names on haaret dataset, 473 military and 675 were civilians. Ratio of civilians to military personnel killed on the 7th was 1 . 4 : 1 - lower than any of the iTf "mowing" operations, which has a ratio of 7 : 1 According to UN OCHA data from 2008 to 2022; The collateral damage on the 7th was significantly lower than any of the ITf "mowing" operations, which had a ratio of 7:1 with 1,023 military personnel out of 6,541 total. On the 7th, with 473 military (418 were iTf military personnel, 55 belonged to the police) out of 1148 total, the ratio of civilians to military personnel was a mere 1.4:1 When including all casualties, not just deaths, the collateral damage ratio of the "mowing" operations is a staggering 162:1 From the 161,233 accumulated civilian casualties over only 14 years of "mowing" operations. A 162 :1 ratio means that for every 162 civillians, 1 military personnel is a casualty. The 7th had a ratio of 1.4:1, more than a hundred times lower. The 473 are - 55 soldiers, 13 privates, 59 corporals, 200 sergeants (45 of whom were sergeant majors), 48 commanders, 32 lieutenants, 5 lieutenant colonels, 6 colonels, 37 officers, 10 inspectors, 6 intendents, and 2 Lance Corp. This was a military defeat, and they are taking it out on the rest. The reported ages of the victims are as follows: 0-4: 2 civilians 5-12: 8 civilians 13-17: 14 civilians 18-25: 132 civilians 26-40: 119 civilians 41-60: 55 civilians 61+: 40 civilians Active duty military personnel: 18-25: 258 active duty military personnel 26-40: 60 active duty military personnel 41-60: 17 active duty military personnel 61+: 1 active duty military personnel haaretz datasheet titled title: xsraxl's Dead: The Names of Those Killed in Hxmxs Attacks, Mxssxcres and the xsrxel-Hxmxs Wxr There is a more detailed report of of oct 7th titled "I scrapped the information about 1096 of the 1460 killed on 7th of October Attack. Children Less than 1%" -Yocheved Lifshitz account - 'they treated us well' -Yasmin Porat account - 'i.T.f kxilled my husband' Civilians were taken to have swaps for the civilians rotting in prisons without charge on the other side. An excess of ten thousands, all before the seventh UN Human Rights Office (UN OCHA) PA Civilians 2008-2023: 2008 - 2,325 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,440. 2012 - 3,992 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 255. 2014 - 17,533 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,492. 2018 - 31,259 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 300. 2019 - 15,491 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 138. 2020 - 2,581 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 30. 2021 - 19,183 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 349. 2022 - 10,345 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 191. 2023 up to September - 8,508 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 227. civilian deaths on the other side - 2008: 3 , 2012: 6 , 2014: 73 , 2018: 9 2019: 10 , 2020: 0 , 2021: 9 , 2022: 26 Total; 2008 up to September 2023 - 161,233 PA Civilian Casualties, 1,023 military personnel. Wounded includes: amputees from the deliberate targeting of knees by snipers, white phosphorous third degree body burns, etc The "Costs of War" study by brown in 2021 has these figures for the past 20 years of engagement of US policy: indirect deaths 4.5-4.7 million, direct 905-940,000 ; in other words 6 Million Deaths and 38 million displaced. This is relevant because of the Oded Yinon Plan.

[@ahmedvawda1282]

Thank you for this comprehensive data list.

[@tal4546]

Owen should take a look at it especially in regard to oct 7

[@GeorginaHaycock]

Do you know how many of the civilians were killed by IDF?

[@user-yz8be5dh1r]

Thank you dear Owen for your very important and insightful interviews!!! I pray for the Palestinians 🙏🙏🙏🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

[@debstrozier]

Thank you MG Herbert, I am not a military expert (far from it) but I am a logical thinker. I've been saying, since the start of seeing their reaction, that " Israel will never come out of this as a winner".

[@smugbuddha]

this guy is a mi6 narrative manger, imperial guardian

[@kb7202]

Is there a special place in hell for the IDF and Israeli leaders? Just wondering, with respect to what the Major said about Hamas. Thank you Owen for your coverage on this genocide.

[@PenguinsUnited]

Yes, it is NAKBA 2.0! And the US is complicit!

[@Jouantiese]

Take your pills, please..

[@kendread55]

Thanks Owen and major general Charlie Herbert. I really hope and pray that some of the politician have seen and heard what the General have said.

[@tezzasmif.]

Relieved to see plenty of commenters know this is not a case of a few bad apples. Its a way of thinking spanning across Israel from aged to youth. And there's plenty of evidence (they provide themselves openly) to prove this.

[@bryancoulter5998]

Does anyone really think Isreal gives a toss about the Geneva Convention?

[@alanelliot2394]

its obvious they do not

[@sonyjoseph5426]

They will, when pressured by their enablers( usa , uk) who should be pressured by the world community

[@aries6776]

They don't have to when they are never held to account for their actions.

[@marcus3173]

clearly they dont

[@vidnosh7406]

Israel has given up any pretence about being morally superior after being untouchable for so long. They can just enact their rage. And they are right. The colonial powers always acted with impunity and Israel is a colonial power.

[@matoko123]

It helps that they also have total control over all western governments.

[@edphooey81]

I think Israeli (gov) were quite aware that oct 7th attack was going to happen and possibly quite a lot of the carnage was cause by the IDF on that day, worth looking at electronic intifada's recent video on the matter

[@pete212g]

Rishi Sunak stood next to Netanyahu in Israel and told him 'we want you to win'. 30000 dead, a million displaced and Gaza flattened, can someone ask Sunak 'has Israel won yet?'

[@FreePalestineAotearoa]

The World is in crisis.

[@plushidiot600]

Thank you, Owen Jones, for yet another fantastic show.

[@maila_]

Great conversation! Thank you Owen and Major General Charlie Herbert!

[@liayoung4534]

This soldier is very naive. Bless

[@zoltanbarath7371]

What is the root cause of this conflict? The invasion in 1947/1948 perhaps?

[@lenarobinson438]

This man is an apologist for Israel

[@aries6776]

I don't think he is. I just think he doesn't know enough about Israel's occupation.

[@markjohnson4053]

Thank you for an excellent interview. The Major General is totally qualified to analyze and discuss what is going on in Gaza.

[@francescahamilton6856]

Gosh what a decent, loyal and lovely man. He sounds terrific. A true and genuine soldier. Thanku Charlie for your Life's Work, for helping to keep us all safe. I enjoyed your story. You must have taken many risks.

[@xmrv0cfs]

this was great but I wish you had asked him about the Hannibal directive. is that even allowed? practiced by any other army in the world?

[@alanelliot2394]

The Hannibal directive is exclusively only Israeli policy. No other Army in the world including N Korea has this in place. And yes under Israeli law it is Lawful but not by International standards which is why they often shoot their own as with the three Israeli Hostages that were shot by the IDF.

[@cheryllines4106]

I posted basically the same comment👌, this guest really annoyed me 🙏

[@caity613]

I'm so sick of the "few bad apples" narrative. Completely ignoring everything that is foundational and built into these institutions. When something is designed to do a specific job-- like for example, the IDF are designed to clear out Palestine and continually grow Israel and make it stronger-- when that job is being done, it is not the fault of a "few bad apples". It is an institution that needs to be reckoned with.

[@aminamangera4871]

Right to resist occupiers?

[@_JollyJack_]

Please interview Douglas Murray.

[@nbeizaie]

That is funny that he still "thinks" the attacks were in order for Palestinians to leave. The gov, army, etc, ALL said it in different languages and multiple times in video, news, tweets, TV, newspapers, etc. Is that really hard to understand? What else could they have done for this guy to KNOW and not THINK that it was and it is their purpose? Regardless, the whole world knows now and NOTHING will change that unless the apartheid regime is gone and all on that land can live in peace and free with equal right. Then people's view of Israel will change.

[@SueRutherford]

Nope. This Major General doesn't get it I'm afraid. He's missed the mark on a number of issues.

[@nomad9338]

What do you expect from a British General? Hardly a radical figure.

[@andym9571]

Like what ?

[@MorganHayes_Composer.Pianist]

But not missed the mark on all issues. He had plenty to say which was worth hearing.

[@ShakirahIbaad]

@Owenjones this interview was a masterclass in journalism. Even though you don’t agree with many of the views expressed by Major General Charlie Herbert. You not only remained professional, you didn’t overload the Major General with information or lecture at him. You kept it an open, honest and fair discussion. As a journalist who has shown a deep passion for the plight of Palestinians. It must have been deeply frustrating that this Major General doesn’t seem to accept how criminal the Israeli regime is.

[@MIKEMIKE-te2dt]

Before they try to apply the term "human animals" to anyone, the Israelis should look at themselves.

[@Amr_Cinema]

I just want to add one thing the two-state solution prior to the 1967 border is already a compromise from Palestinians on this conflict and ending occupation must be something we all agree about not something we need to come to compromise with

[@Captain_tubs]

Actually it’s a compromise by Israel. Who when attacked in 1948 comprehensively defeated the aggressor. Any land conceded after that was by the victor (Israel)

[@halofreak1990]

According to the ICJ, there is no further need for the Palestinians to compromise with their oppressor, as they've established the 1967 borders to be legally binding. Any territory annexed afterwards belongs to the Palestinians with no ifs and/or buts.

[@dinaramadan3416]

This sadistic army men are set free on a killing spree in Gazza, then they return back and live and travel around the world among us and pretend they are angels? They have blood on their hands. How repulsive.

[@umayusu]

I appreciate your professionalism and integrity Owen. I’m sure there were things in your guest’s analysis that you disagreed with (eg there are a few bad apples in the IDF, when overwhelming evidence suggests otherwise), yet you were clear about his expertise in a certain area and gave him the opportunity to speak fully. And the audience to make up their mind. Today so many news outlets are just about trapping or humiliating their guests and don’t seem to care about the truth. So kudos to you!

[@JaaKamSaa_1012]

No one Owen...no one ever wants to be expelled from the house! No matter how the house looks it's not about the property, This is about dignity robbed unwillingly and injustice to Palestinians which ultimately channelizes to the perpetrators giving the land without concern for Palestinians. This is a hard-core problem that has been ongoing for far too long. Major General Charlie is a realistic person and speaks based on facts.

[@JaaKamSaa_1012]

Very much older than you... appreciate a lot for your work and genuineness though..🫡@Mr_OwenJonesTalks

[@jonesconrad1]

"Lose their Moral Compass" sorry major, they never had one.

[@djhiba75]

Great interview and insight