Why Justice League Failed

[@captainmidnight]

Just realized when I published this that I made a typo spelling "Shakespeare" near the end of the video. I am now turning myself into KZbin Jail and I hope you all can forgive me...

[@captainmidnight]

Also, I should of remembered that Robin Wright died in Wonder Woman (a movie I've seen multiple times but somehow managed to slip my mind while editing this). Sorry about that guys!

[@letsplaydan2471]

captainmidnight all good man nice video

[@Anttt999]

captainmidnight it hasn't failed. It's just came out and been slammed by critics. Fight club was critically bombed and failed but still stands as a great misinterpreted movie. We need to stop expecting so much from a movie. Not everything can be 5/5 all the time. And there is nothing wrong with that.

[@Gardow]

Anttt999 I enjoyed Justice League more than I expected, but are you really comparing this movie to Fight Club?

[@Anttt999]

Gardow hells yeah I am. It was an underrated and under performing movie based on cult characters. Why shouldn't I?

[@samtoshner8002]

The biggest mistake DC is making is trying to compete or be Marvel and the MCU right now. They have great characters that people love that have great stories waiting to be told. They just need to do their own thing and let it happen organically, rather than trying to "capitalize" on the current "trend".

[@rickycollins7723]

+Sam Toshner Exactly. Marvel has their great comics and characters and movies, in their own way. Dc has their great comics and characters and movies, in their own way. Well not so much movies now, but Marvel isn't doing well in comics, so that all evens out.

[@mark.w5697]

Dicky Collins Marvel are doing fine in the comics

[@rickycollins7723]

+Mark 82 Well, Iron man suit #82, a lot of their comics have been lacking recently, but yeah some are still really good. Just saying that a lot of their recent comics haven't been as good as before.

[@FlyingRaijin52]

Dicky Collins While DC Kicks marvel's ass in video games and animations and even comics. Marvel is doing a damn good job with the films though.

[@FlyingRaijin52]

Mark 82 Marvel's have most of the mobile games, guardians of the galaxy telltale, Lego games, and have a ps4 spider-man game coming up so that counts. And i didn't say cartoons. Also DC has Arkham games and batman telltale games and injustice games and lego dc games. Injustice 2 scored way more and so did batman telltale.

[@ChaosMcCain]

The real problem is that marvel took the time to make the characters relatable with their own movies . Dc just jumped into the end game and expected everyone to let it pass .

[@mynameisharry8739]

Exacly. That's lazyness at it's core. They didn't work for anything and expected us to love it.

[@MohdRadhwan]

True. 120 minutes (and no extended cut) with 3 additional heroes is just too short. It's a cramped.

[@mjbset93]

Orlando1130 and that is why I was mad at fans going to see BvS. They did not get a big enough spanking at the box office to make them pump the brakes on JL. At every decision crossroads they failed. 1. Leaving wiggle room at the end of Chris Nolan's Batman (Leave Bruce Wayne alive in the conscious of Gothem with a reduced fortune living out of country) Failed. 2. Giving Batman a very close personal loss reason that could be directly attributed to collateral damage from Superman's fight. That would make his decision ti plunge into the darkness to kill him more understandable-Fail. 3. Giving Wonder Woman a role in interrupting the fight to remind Batman of his values -Fail 4. Writing a level headed thoughtful hard to expose Lex Luther -Fail (make him responsible for the impeding conflict with but so clever the team can't get hard evidence to get him locked up in his first movie appearance).

[@kylemagaro3163]

You could make it work if they didn't hinge everythint on Zack Snyder.

[@Coolsomeone234]

WB, not DC Warner Bros make the movies

[@caitlinbrewer4843]

If nothing else, Jason Momoa looks like he's having fun.

[@VinayKapadiaVK]

I want to see more Momoa. In everything. He looks like he has fun no matter what type of scene he's shooting. The guy really enjoys his work.

[@thenoirknight5729]

@@VinayKapadiaVK and we will see more of him in ZSJL

[@redassassinyt4908]

And that's what matters most

[@MrJjones543]

That's the most important thing

[@MyMjtaylor]

Batman looked like he was getting too old for this shyt

[@Ok-eg8dg]

He has been batman for 20 years as of BvS, so 22 in JL

[@FireFox9702]

@Tim TheAutist he's not in his best moment

[@josuegutierrez2098]

Affleck looked fat for the role and like you said, old.

[@gabrielbrennan4149]

As a huge DC fan this was so hard to watch because you're right

[@sierrararah]

Sameeee

[@darkwolf1202]

the same feeling I have watching the MCU.

[@itsinstinct_6756]

@@darkwolf1202 wdym? At least the MCU has good writing 90% of the time and they actually take time to develop their characters...

[@neetaagarwal5255]

@@darkwolf1202 While Marvel movies questions life. Dc movies quetions nothing but themselves

[@tastyneck]

Batman is probably my all-time fave superhero , Superman and Green Lanterns stories were some of my faves as a kid, and I still love the DCAU. The New Mutants, X-Men, X-Force, etc. were the comics i collected as a kid. I really did not care about Iron Man, Capt. America. then, nor even when the MCU films were announced. So, if anything, my bias was more pro-DCEU and meh-MCU. However, watching both company's films had two very different results on me. The MCU film drew me into the characters I originally did not care about while the DCEU films started pushing me away from the characters I grew up loving. The stories and characterizations were just so much better with the MCU for me and it sucks. Because we should have both universes to love equally.

[@z7983]

I mean there's a reason why Avengers Endgame made more in just one day than Justice League made in its entire theatrical run lmao

[@TransparentlyDuplicitous]

To be fair, Endgame got so many sales due to hype. It just happened to live up to the hype rather than the opposite like Justice League, which already lost quite a bit of hype because of the DCEU's awful previous outings besides Wonder Woman.

[@z7983]

@@TransparentlyDuplicitous Yeah but even the first Avengers movie that came out 7 years ago made more than twice of what Justice League did

[@TransparentlyDuplicitous]

@@z7983 You're absolutely right. Justice League was such a failure that it was a box office bomb that lost Warner Bros an estimated $50 million. I'm just saying that Endgame's massive early sales came from huge amounts of hype after a movie that had already shattered box office records.

[@albertthepeacock8020]

*laughs in Joker*

[@OptimusDelta]

@Mark Legend the whole comic book movie genre was popularized and created by DC.there was no marvel fanboys then

[@Homemadegameguru]

Simply put - Marvel: 10 year methodical plan DC: Rushed scripts and production to catch up to Marvel, a company that lagged them for decades. I am as much of a DC fan as I am of Marvel (and Dark Horse and IDW), but DC (really Warner) has to take a step back and start from scratch. No rush, but a long term plan to create a proper cinematic universe.

[@tahunuva4254]

Mother boxes = boxes = loot boxes. JL DLC coming soon.

[@TheHeroBleeder]

Tahu Nuva Aka The Synder cut lol

[@damianstarks3338]

Tahu Nuva 😂😂😂

[@damianstarks3338]

Simwillb 😂😂😂

[@jackbrannelly7824]

But also that's literally what they are in Injustice

[@damianstarks3338]

Jack Brannelly 😂😂😂

[@eggsbenedictcumberbuns]

Batman suit: By itself the suit is great but affleck in it ehhhhhhhhhhhh no Wonder Woman suit: PERFECT Aquaman suit: not bad; needs more orange/gold Cyborg design: Looks like a skeleton cgi man; in other words bad Flash suit: one word: HORRENDOUS (who made this and WHAT WERE THEY ON) Superman: not bad; just another weird wet looking superhero costume (looking at you TASM 1 spidey)

[@JoeyDoesStuff1120]

Superman?

[@stso3986]

@@JoeyDoesStuff1120 dude batmans ostume kinda suks

[@JoeyDoesStuff1120]

@@stso3986 I wasn't talking about batman

[@stso3986]

@@JoeyDoesStuff1120 oh sorry i was talking to the other guy

[@yellowsunshine4157]

The cyborg armor made 2011 GL suit looks like renaissance's finest costume

[@ElDaemonio]

Well the greatest villain in the of the Justice League is obviously WB executives.

[@SSC0002]

I really wanted to see evil/black suit Superman. Even though that was kind of central to BvS, I think it could have worked (also think it was in the original cut). Supes is evil, and the team have to work together to stop him

[@neetaagarwal5255]

😂😂

[@SalTheSlime.]

*Before watches justice league* I wounder what will happen? *me after leaving the theatre* Wait...what? *me one week after seeing movie* Friend: I wonder if steffenwolf was original planned for that rmovie.. Me: who is steffenwolf? A popular singer? Friend: the villain for justice league. Me: riiiighhht. What happened in that movie again? *me before watching infinity war* I wounder who will die? *me two weeks after seeing movie* ... wow, I still can’t BELIVE how awesome that was....

[@Fresh-Baguette]

Too relatable

[@1woff]

Julio Paz I’m going to argue Loki, maybe Killmonger with a push.

[@eliraeclipse2435]

SalFrosterGamer lol same dudeee!

[@eliraeclipse2435]

Julio Paz literally everyone or 20% of the people that watched the movie?

[@wesuckatgames9549]

Loki, Vulture, Ultron, and the Mandarin aren't forgettable imo.

[@alphacentauri3069]

They almost need to scrap this version of the DC eu and start over.

[@Beastinvader]

Marshall Kuhn Ikr. Use a few years, only focus on unknown characters like Zatana and Shazam. By then people will have gotten over Superman, Batman and the rest

[@thewolverine8593]

true

[@heyheyronn]

Honestly ? Can't we just do this? I want GOOD DC movies. I WANT to love the characters onscreen. I WANT a built-up, extended universe that's done with care, love, and patience.

[@andresreydecastro]

Not almost. They definitely need to.

[@IdocarebutIdont]

I think they still could save it. A decent Batman movie in that Universe would win a lot of Fans back. Superman finally needs his second standalone movie. In the end its all about the writing, the visuals are great but cant carry the recent movies.

[@MotorCityPhoenix313]

I legit completely forgot Steppenwolf was the villian when I left the theater. So forgettable.

[@tristencarranza416]

MotorCityPhoenix313 he was a villain? Thought he was Darkseids messenger boy just overstayed his welcome.

[@mtarantino2070]

I legit completely forgot thanos was the villain when l left the theater. So forgettable.

[@anorak775]

Hey look, a DC fanboy

[@superiorearth6169]

Stealthy Mongoose lol I hope people know ur trolling

[@spacehitler4537]

m tarantino You're right Thanos was the good guy.

[@danielattrell]

Watching this movie, I was thinking to myself "I feel like I'm watching a superhero film that came out a couple of years after Daredevil"

[@nootnewt3]

daredevil is at least entertaining even if it is stupid. Justice league was just boring. If it came out in 2003 I probably would have loved it, but it just wasn’t up to standard.

[@orangesocks5385]

Funny, considering Ben Affleck played Daredevil.

[@kylemagaro3163]

The George Miller one in 08 would've been much better than this.

[@canvas_125]

I finally found the review that voices my thoughts. Not to mention the tone felt inconsistent to me. There was a scene that threw me off - when WW smiles and says "I'm working with children" after the JL defeat the villain. Nowhere else in the movie we see JL acting like children except for the Flash..kinda, so that line felt unnecessary. Also it kind of sucked to see Batman used as a gag. Yeah, he doesn't have powers but that's what makes him so amazing. He still can kick ass. Don't get me wrong; the joke can be funny; but in the movie, it felt like it had no punchline.

[@zx5584]

Loyda Perez Hahah Agreed. They made batman so weak in this movie. Batman was getting his ass kicked by just one flying minion in the tunnel scene.

[@pianoman3255]

Loyda Perez i thought it wad a reference to her being over one hundred years old.

[@amazo88]

this is what happens when u people keep forcing dceu to be more funny, for levity or whatever shit. WB trying too hard to make an avengers copy. congrats, u got what u want.

[@canvas_125]

amazo88 Wonder Woman had genuine funny moments without feeling like it was trying to be Marvel in her solo movie. There were couple amusing moments of JL like how Flash was pushing that truck and Superman was flying by carrying a whole building or seeing them race at the end. They can be lighthearted without trying to be like the Avengers. We want WB to actually understand what characters they have and what amazing things they can do with them. This could be lighthearted WITHOUT being like Avengers.

[@amazo88]

oh really? bcos i have seen some comments saying WW is more like a marvel movie than dc. explain those comments.

[@willlupe86]

I keep it real always.. WB rushes their movies and think established directors producers and stars is all they need... Marvel actually likes comics. Lol wonderwoman is the best dc film in 5 yrs.. Antman is better than any dc film..kinda sad

[@samrulz8231]

that z a man sized "if"

[@TheSpaceJockey91]

Marvel shows more respect for the comics. But if they "loved" the comics then they wouldn't change so much with Spiderman Homecoming or turn Mandarin into a joke. It's fine for the main audience but not for the hard core Marvel fans.

[@eltoncdb]

Marvel just tell a better story and character arc period. Even the bad ones like Thor the Dark World have some interesting arc on Loki. I think the only miss on Marvel is Iron Man 3, like 1 out of 18 movies is still good on the report card.

[@jonathanstarsmoure5791]

Elton - Marvel tells a simple story period. TheSpaceJockey - Marvel has no respect for their comics characters. Thor is weak, and not norselike, Iron Man isn't conflicted much. Hawkeye(one of the longest members) is just a prop. Marvel tells simple generic stories that is entertaining. That's why it's a success. Nothing more. They're more focused ego wise on their characters since we are more focused "egowise" on ourselves, a very effective way of telling a story. But it doesn't mean it's the only way of telling a story. Ironically speaking in the Comics DC is more MCU like and that's why the MCU is copying their style. While in Marvel Comics they're more focused on ideologies/themes like racism(then x-men) now(SJW), to a splice of life(Spiderman). They were more grounded. DC was always the mythical stories. And look how the tables are turned. We now have conflicted Superman and naive Captain America, complete 180 of themselves.

[@MelkofficialYT]

Thor is the real MVP!

[@SCF721]

This movie pretty much highlighted my issue with how they portrayed Superman. A lot of DCEU fans say how Superman needed to be developed and go through struggles to become the hopeful hero we know and love. That sort of aggravates me because he shouldn't need to BECOME Superman because he IS Superman. What really makes his lighter persona jarring is that when we last saw him, he's this dour and depressing person, showing almost none of the traits, if at all, we see in JL. I'm not saying that he couldn't go through struggles and times of self doubt, but those should have been used to REINFORCE his hopeful and kind persona, not bring them light. If anything, Wonder Woman was the Superman movie we should have gotten. She's hopeful, even to a naive degree, and is met with challenges that pretty much make her doubt everything she stands for yet in the end she reaffirms her beliefs and triumphs in the end. THAT is what we should have gotten with Superman in MoS and BvS. Developing him over multiple films wasn't even a bad idea either. Hell I even loved having the earth doubt him and having him earn their trust over time. Too bad they just killed him off and suddenly he's a savior that's loved by everyone, pretty much going for a cop out to the issue and forcing in some more already unsubtle Jesus imagery, on top of wasting a perfectly good storyline which could have been better utilized later on. The way they talked about him in JL (especially in that opening scene with Superman) makes it seem as if Superman was always this bright character, which just makes it all the more jarring how he went from BvS to JL. The DCEU so far has just been a bunch of great ideas soured by horrible execution. I keep hearing people go on and on about the subtext and "depth" but subtext doesn't do jack shit if the delivery of said subtext is awful. We don't praise the Happening for having a message about us having to be better custodians of the Earth because everything surrounding that message is garbage.

[@canvas_125]

Mr Grape Soda Couldn’t have said it better myself!

[@vyrothevirus5304]

Summarizes my problems with the franchise entirely. A lot of great ideas that, despite me being a Marvel fan, I would've loved to see, but horrible execution.

[@elin111]

In the DCEU Superman was raised by a guy that told him to let dozens of kids in a bus drown.

[@epm1012]

Mr Grape Soda Plus, you don’t really “become” optimistic. I don’t see how putting a guy through the ringer will make him more optimistic.

[@jonathanstarsmoure5791]

Mr Grape Soda We gotta be realistic here. Diana grew up guarded(shielded) from the worlds "horrors" therefore she should be naive and rightly so. That's true and true wonder woman. In JL she also stuck true to who she was the way she left it in her solo film, she had doubts, she took time off, she had a big burden in her heart but also stuck true to being a warrior amazon. Superman grew up in a farm. "where did you learn to fight? In a farm?". Let's put it simply, how can farmers support, understand a genius child, a prodigy of some sorts. So it makes sense that his formative years are built on doubt and fear of other people, because they misunderstand him. Notice how they keep on clashing? kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6DHh4RrhqaWbpo The greatest flaw I see in BvS and in MoS, atleast what I see for people who sees it as flaws is that they never focused on Superman or clark. They put him on a background treating him as a plot device for his own movie in which I personally think is brilliant movie making, but that's not how films are supposed to be huh? Nobody comes to watch a superman movie and not get shown Superman most of the time. Fact is they made Lois as the bridge to the plot, the plot is told through her and not through superman. Just like BvS where the plot basically leaked when she started investigating Lex. But what do I know?

[@Evans6025]

The animation of DC is just way better than their movies

[@jophelcario9021]

Cry

[@joevenespineli6389]

Yes.

[@NightwingSkywalker]

Well, the marketing certainly failed. "Hey!! Let's do Justice League like Marvel did the Avengers, but do something stupid in the leadup movie that makes it seem like a good idea to KEEP OUR SECOND MOST POPULAR CHARACTER OUT OF ALL OF THE ADVERTISING. That'll make casual fans want to come watch it!!"

[@ruoweilim7334]

cyborg's introduction and arc were fragmented and unclear, wonder woman was almost irrelevant, batman was... too restrained as always, the flash was quirky but a little extrapolated, aquaman was half-assed, superman was... a little weird tbh, the emotion of the movie was unfounded... this is the justice league, not some random patchwork superhero miso-mash. guess this is what happens when you try to squeeze months of work in 2 hours.

[@barry2349]

ruoweii what,wonder women was fine,superman was perfect,flash was amaizng,it seems like your complaining for the sake of complaning

[@RAGEINYOUTH]

Not only was batman restrained, but some of his dialogue was so forced and childish, thats not the batman i know

[@AllThings_Gaming-c1m]

Edward Park Agreed, but I think that’s also part of his sarcastic snarky dry witty humor which Kevin Batman says in the animated movie

[@zbsz92]

Isnt every movie months of work squeezed into 2 hours? I wish cyborg was bulkier, his whole body feels too thin

[@ruoweilim7334]

yeah my point exactly lol poor adaptations of good source material

[@doomy_mcdoomerson]

Robin Wright's character wasn't 'hanging out on the other side of the island.' Her character died in Wonder Woman.

[@astrofabio68]

the battle in JL is 3000 years before WW movie!

[@doomy_mcdoomerson]

Astrofabio But he was referring to the part where Steppenwolf stole the Motherbox from the Amazons which happened AFTER the events of WW.

[@GarveyToure]

ohhhhh

[@thatnativeking1333]

I think it’s time to restart the DCEU.

[@Excalibur-Sonic]

Maybe a Flashpoint.

[@RedDyeGaming]

Jackie Jones maybe an injustice movie trilogy

[@FinalGaWd3]

Red if they made a injustice trilogy it'd probably be a flop just judging from how they've been already

[@FinalGaWd3]

from what i heard, the flash movie will be an adaptation of flashpoint, so they could reset the DCEU with that if they wanted

[@raymundturner1140]

True

[@ocek2744]

The problem with the JL can be summed up pretty easily: It wasn't about the villain. The villain carries any hero team-up movie. If the movie isn't about the villain it's simply not any good.

[@ThatMcflyGuy]

They should’ve filmed their solo movies first before teaming up. It would copy Marvel, but it would have been better for the long run and JL could have been epic like Avengers.

[@millienewcombe1614]

Eder Rangel agree

[@craftpaint1644]

Sharks with lasers on their heads.

[@MyMjtaylor]

they rushed the movie...could have done Superman 2 and Batman solo...introduced the other characters in there....JL could have come out in 2-3 years.

[@kieranschafer5180]

They rushed everything way too much to compete with MCU.

[@aidannguyen618]

Kieran Schafer exactly!

[@ddy7323]

You know why i think dceu fanboys (not dc fanboys) are worst than mcu fanboys? They try to convince you that dceu movies are masterpiece all the time. I've never seen any mcu fanboy try to convince me that mcu movies are masterpiece, they try to convincd that they are good but they have the lucidity to not go too far in that.

[@kingoftheinternet1472]

ddy 73 you’re apart of the problem

[@ddy7323]

King Of the Internet why?

[@claricechan1482]

So true. Whist watching bvs my dceu fanboy frd just kept persuading me that 'the film is of really deep value'bla bla but I was seating there thinking:this film is boring and is an actual hot messlol

[@gapebonganingwanaamotho2445]

oppa tony 😂😂😂😂.. Same thing happened with my cousin.. After watching BvS he kept telling me how deep and great it really is and i was just there like, nah bro this movie is boring af. 😂

[@brianbrush5107]

It's there opinion I thought this one was okay at best but its there opinion

[@magicalgirl4]

Can we all just agree that it was painfully average? There are a shit ton of people saying that it's either trash or good, so let's split it down the middle.

[@Intothevoid-NIB]

Middle road fallacy. The dead center between 2 extremes is not always the correct judgement

[@samtoshner8002]

Yeah I'm cool with that

[@rickycollins7723]

+MagicalGirl4 I agree.

[@1997residente]

That's its biggest flaw...its freaking Justice League...it can't be average. It should have been the event of the decade and it tries to make you forget you saw that Depression Whirpool of 2016.

[@erv_.]

It’s garbage

[@Henrique_Henriques]

Dude... Robin Wright's character Died in the WW movie. Did you forget?

[@wrongGeoduck959]

Henrique Henriques Moreno Moura lol I was so confused when he said that

[@leemavundla]

The flash looks like he just learnt how to run, like wtf lmaooo

[@charlielee5906]

Why does aquaman’s trident have 4 points? It’s now a fork!

[@juz2chillz4u]

he said in an interview that it's a quindent, and that he hasn't earned his trident just yet

[@madcircle7311]

Maybe they didn't want to imply middle finger to watchers

[@Fresco272]

Madcircle Throughell: They still did....

[@madcircle7311]

Fresco can't deny that

[@epistemologyphilosophy7791]

Fresco clever

[@taker610]

They built up to nothing because no one knows Steppenwolf and nobody cares that he is the villain. Then again the villain in Thor Ragnarok had the same issue but the Thor was fun. The comedy of Ezra Miller fell flat and his character wasn't interesting.

[@pinhead3416]

taker610 at least hela was interesting

[@ccricers]

The villain should be interesting enough to drive a good superhero team up story. Just look at Loki! We get his backstory from Thor, then there's the fact Tom Hiddleston gave him a charming wit and Loki knows how to push the right buttons to get the heroes fighting each other before they can manage to regroup.

[@LogamusPrime]

So who's the Barney dinosaur? I don't know who Thanos is aside from his motivation. What is he? Who is he? How did he come to power? Nope. 10 years of movies and nothing. Gotcha!

[@LogamusPrime]

Extremely subtle information. So arbitrary, You pretty much explained Steppenwolf yet peeps have some insane bias towards Justice League, Steppenwolf is also related to another character; uncle of Darkseid. Has a world breaking weapon. Also like Thanos, Steppenwolf brought his minions to Earth; parademons. Ect. same similarities to Thanos yet people still bitch about what's better. Word.

[@LogamusPrime]

They made Tony Stark, Scarlet Witch, The Hulk too old. What does age have to do with anything?

[@luissosa4248]

Robin's character died in wonder woman bro

[@theshed3641]

Luis Sosa I thought that

[@RantRadio]

Dceu slipped up when they decided to NOT make a Man of Steel 2.

[@LorisRumbo]

I understand if you say you enjoyed this movie but that doesn’t make it a “good” movie. Enjoying a movie doesn’t excuse the lazy writing and poor effort put into the cinematography and CGI. It’s awful that Zack Snyder experienced such a horrible tragedy whilst shooting the movie, but unfortunately it doesn’t change the fact he’s not a good writer. He clearly struggles to develop characters properly and is unable to “show not tell”. He throws in a load of dialogue expecting us to care but we don’t. The only characters I slightly cared for was Wonder Woman and the other amazonians, and that was only because of the Wonder Woman movie. I felt no emotion when watching the movie and didn’t particularly care for any of the characters. Before this movie I never agreed with people saying DC are trying to be like Marvel. But this movie is a mess, the tone of the movie is all over the place, and the humour is so forced in. So many moments felt very unnatural. I don’t know if it’s because they had to change directors part way or because they’re attempting to be more light hearted like Marcel movies, but either way it didn’t work. I never had an issue with DC trying to be more dark/realistic but now it’s clear even they’re not sure if they want to be dark or light hearted. My biggest issue by far though is how underdeveloped the characters are and the lack of emotion behind everything. You can’t just have a character say they feel one way and expect us to empathise. You need to show it and make us somehow relate to them and actually care. Otherwise it’s just lazy writing.

[@LorisRumbo]

If you need 3 hours to build some basic depth to your characters then it shows your writing isn't very effective. The majority of mainstream movies rarely ever exceed 1 and a half hours nowadays. I'm not saying mainstream Hollywood movies are usually masterpieces or anything, but I can't remember when was the last time I cared so little for the characters in a movie. I'm not here to hate on Synder, his movies are generally visually great(bar JL, but I honestly think that's probably more due to Whedon's reshoots and perhaps WB's interference) and he's clearly very capable of creating intense shots and imagery. I thought JL just wasn't a very aesthetically pleasing movie, but I wouldn't blame him for any poor cinematography in this movie as I genuinely think he's a great visual artist and I doubt the ugly scenes were his fault. However, he's really not a great storyteller, his movies are too much style over substance and the end product of his movies usually just looks like a collection of scenes rather than one cohesive story

[@dvnex1717]

Lobo Lobo Snyder isn't even great. It's clear that he doesn't really know shit about superman and batman. Literally all he read before making BvS was The Dark knight returns. It's a good comic don't get me wrong but it's not good when your starting off a cinematic universe and trying to build a character. The batman in that story is not the same batman that evetyone knows and loves. Batman doesn't kill wrecklessly. He values human life because of what happened to his parents. He wants tobprotect. This version of batman really doesn't give a shit about other people or at least it's never shown that he cares. Snyder tried turning batman and superman into somerhing they are not and as a result, the general audience thinks these characters are boring and weak. Snyder had full control over MoS, but that movie wasn't even that great. There were problems with superman's character. He isn't really anything like he is in the comics and animated shows. He just solidified people's opinion of superman being "boring"

[@johnclark7406]

My understanding is that WB insisted on a max runtime of 2 hrs.

[@lordreyna6924]

Omg

[@bmk1102]

I agree but I think Snyder is actually better at showing and not telling. All the dialogues he is putting into these movies are just place holders and "easter eggs announcers " that just seem irrelevant or dumb in the end

[@claytonnunn8660]

I went into the movie with low expectations, so I was neither disappointed or wowed. JL is far from a perfect movie, but I personally felt like it was a step in the right direction. I’m just hoping that it does well enough at the box office for DC to continue with this “universe”. I’d hate to see a reboot this early.

[@L16htW4rr10r]

Clayton Nunn That is almost like my reaction when I watch the movie, but I actually love the movie. I love Cyborg and Wonder Woman the most. I felt they are the one saving this movie.

[@nosrepsuomynona7192]

L16htW4rr10r the movie was ok, I like Cyborg as a character but I didn't like what they did to him in the film, it looked really bad CGI

[@ShotaxNinja]

They could do a soft reboot with flashpoint

[@marcosarmendia8192]

Clayton Nunn A reboot would be the best course of action. Stop now. Start from scratch and this time do it right.

[@顾云臻]

sony rebooted spiderman after one bad movie lol. It wouldn't be early in hollywood terms

[@g4do]

This movie was rushed . Too much information crammed into this cluster fudge

[@da-vidcargill4975]

g4do no it just dont spoon feed u babies

[@g4do]

Da-vid Cargill Yaaaaaawn

[@horaciosi]

The DCEU itself is rushed

[@eggmon3813]

Same this should've been a long movie 2 hours and 30 minutes at the minimum!

[@optillian4182]

@@da-vidcargill4975 I'd rather be spoon-fed than having the entire meal stuffed down my throat.

[@user-be8qc9uz3x]

Justice League is the definition of an underdeveloped movie.

[@stevangonzalez5908]

Yup and that's sad because I can recommend like 5 animated justice league movies/TV shows off the top of my head that are amazing!

[@colinkelly8268]

If I’m being honest, I was spoiled about the weird cgi lip before seeing JL. And when I did see the movie I barely noticed it

[@perfectdeath5310]

Colin Kelly thank god I thought I was only one

[@squirreldemon3506]

Colin Kelly i laughed out loud when I saw it

[@Marky1740]

Quite the opposite for me. I didn't even know about the cgi lip. The first time I saw it I thought it was an Superman Impostor because of how weird his face looked. Thought it was Hank Henshaw or something and it bothered me all through out the movie and I kept looking at everyone's face wondering why Superman's was CGI.

[@TheLuisenri86]

You need glasses brah i really dont care about that all about superman was good the rest of the movie was shit...

[@stuartkeating6508]

It's one thing to not care about it. But unless you're blind, it's very noticeable. Everyone that I know who watched it without prior knowledge to it also noticed it.

[@MotorCityPhoenix313]

Aside from the Aquaman lasso scene, the rest of Aquaman in this movie was awful and definitely did not get me interested in his solo film at all.

[@joshcowart2446]

MotorCityPhoenix313 also they made aquaman break a glass whiskey bottle in the ocean. Hopefully with James wan it’ll be better. I like Zach Snyder for what he is but sometimes he sacrifices sense for visuals. Like aqua man looks cool walking into a violent ocean and tossing a whiskey bottle even if it doesn’t make sense for the character.

[@PeanutStrawberry]

Wonder Woman, Aquaman and the Flash were my favourites in the movie.

[@kevin10001]

Josh Cowart shows how much u really know the character that is on par with his 90's comic version

[@spartox6093]

Aqua man was great in the movie and Cyborg

[@icantthinkofaname1009]

I understand that Aquaman is a hard sell to the general public, but the dudebro angle just feels like they were overcompensating way too hard. Could’ve easily modeled him after the version from Justice League Unlimited, which was badass, heroic, and honorable.

[@MarkMcDaniel]

The Flash suit is over-designed, making it ridiculous.

[@Joselopez-ix2nv]

Looks like cardboard with strings to keep it together

[@silversky5554]

agree. i mean you can just look any suits from the injustice game and any of them will be great.

[@harmonlanager2670]

Especially when you consider he made it himself

[@williamkilmartin8077]

I hate that suit so much

[@tylerphillips4376]

Why would he have it so armoured up..... if he can run faster than anyone to catch him and he has healing abilities....makes no sense i would of prefered a spandex suit

[@stillthatbitch3035]

i think wonder woman’s movie was better than this.

[@jeremy25-i7b]

Nope that movie sucked too

[@stillthatbitch3035]

avengers for life i don’t think so

[@binda33]

Wonder Woman was great and I'm looking forward to the sequel. Hopefully they won't mess it up.

[@memesarewhatkeepmesane8729]

@@binda33 its bad Unless your a 12 year old girl

[@marco5030]

@@memesarewhatkeepmesane8729 it's good, guys like you just have trouble accepting women in powerful positions.

[@Tousicle]

Zack Snyder made him look like Nite Owl.

[@carolinadojo]

I thougjt it was the same charachter from watchmen...

[@redram3725]

"Nite owl looks like batman" "Batman looks like Nite owl"

[@magatetus]

Nite Owl is what happens when Clark Kent becomes Batman.

[@cryofpaine]

That's because Snyder has a hard-on for Watchmen. He literally cannot make any other superhero story - every one he makes turns into Watchmen. Which is why the DCEU sucks, because Watchmen is supposed to be a critique of the superhero genre. So the DCEU basically comes off as self-loathing and dysfunctional.

[@jasonbrown5302]

you know pote arnole?

[@jesseheisenberg8854]

Lol so many salty DC fanboys, hey TDK is still my best comic book movie. but let's all be honest JL really looks like it was made by corporate

[@vyrothevirus5304]

No, Raimi's Spider-Man 2 is the best comic book movie. TDK isn't really a comic book movie. It's amazing but I wouldn't qualify it as a Superhero movie.

[@MD-fx5sh]

No infinity war is

[@chrisclaris4309]

TDK is one of the best movies ever but it's really more like crime drama than SuperHero flick...It's weird because it has Batman as main character and Batman's villains but still it's like a noir thriller than action comic-book

[@Junebug89]

Not that weird really, Batman has drawn a lot from noir over the years. Hell his introduction was in the comic series "Detective Comics".

[@brobot7695]

I wpuldnt say tdk is the best of all time. Probably top 2

[@AmberCanvas7]

Superman overpowered the villain as if he is a henchman! Marvel underpowering hulk in Thor still looked acceptable in comparison.

[@MegaSpideyman]

@Manish I'm ok with that, shows how powerful Superman is and how strong he's become. Especially against the League!

[@gamestreetbiz]

DC rushed it.trying to catch up to Marvel,big mistake. IT so obvious,Marvel laid down the blueprint qhy couldn't they just follow it !! Give all your heroes a stand alone movie get the fans invested the bring all the heroes and their fans together in one big blockbuster to Defeat a powerful villain that no one Hero can tackle. Whats so hard about that formula!

[@charliedrawz9031]

Don’t forget to kill many of them all off and leave the remaining heroes to figure out how to fix it and the viewers desperate for more.

[@shamimibrahim1724]

True say my friend. There should have been a bulid up towards the Justice League but no Zack Snyder fucked it up. Give the main heroes their own movie, 1 or 2 at least. But they just included out of nowhere and are like ' hey we all suddenly exist in the same universe '

[@exoknight1639]

"Stepenwolf looks like rejected saron art " shots fired right at dc

[@craftpaint1644]

I keep thinking Dark Elf !

[@lemuelreyes1941]

They tried to copy Marvel's formula rather than flesh out their own narrative. You can't win when you imitate.

[@C1pher187]

But marvel comic can

[@jaredochoa9500]

Marvel comics are better tho soo..

[@mmafighter8812]

@@jaredochoa9500 Opinion

[@cgijokerman5787]

@@mmafighter8812 Civil War, House of M, Secret Wars, Infinity Saga, Original Sin, Planet Hulk, World War Hulk, and so so so so so so many more. Marvel comics are incredible. Not all of them, just like how not all DC comics are good.

[@rohanalias9053]

@@cgijokerman5787 but lately marvel comics are bad.sont get me wrong I'm a marvel fan

[@will4evermoore]

There was no character build up. End of story. DC has been focused on Batman and Superman for years

[@Kusanagikaiser999]

I think you might missed that Robin Wright’s character DIED in Wonder Woman...just...saying.

[@CoffeeholicAlien]

He commented on that...

[@kh7688]

In order for Justice League 2 to work, they need to reassess what they want their characters to represent as well as what their personalities will be like. Henry Cavill has three distinct personalities in three different films. It took until the final 10 minutes of Justice League for us to see how good he can be. Batman has become the Drax of the DCEU. He's gone from brooding, angry and brutal to comic relief. The transition is just jarring. He needs to go back to being a badass and leave the jokes to Aquaman and the flash. Speaking of those two, we need a bit more character from Aquaman. He needs to show us depth so that we can somehow relate to a man who speaks to fish. Hopefully we will see that in his standalone film. With The Flash, they need to tone down his awkward humour. He's trying too hard and it comes across as forced. When it lands he's actually goofy in an endearing way so play to that strength. Also Ezra Miller is a fantastic actor with layers, we need to see him be vulnerable, especially the relationship with his father. Now we come to the most difficult character. Cyborg should not under any circumstances have his own film (as much as I would like an African American lead in the DCEU). But he is dull and not very compelling, also he doesn't have any charisma nor is he badass enough to carry a film. He should just feature as a supporting character in some of the other films. With the crux of his story arc relating to his inability to understand his condition. As well as trying to maintain what little humanity he has left. Perhaps either Batman, Flash or even Superman can help him with that in a standalone film. As for Wonder Woman, well she's the only one that's consistent and she doesn't need changing. Although I do want Gal Gadot to challenged on the acting front. Give her emotional hurdles to overcome. The DCEU isn't dead and under the right hands can still find a way to succeed. But rather than trying to compete with Marvel, maybe they should try and get their house in order first. Let's face it, Marvel will rule the cinematic landscape until we as cinemagoers decide we're done with superhero movies. There is absolutely no chance of any studio competing with Marvel/Disney. So rather than try, DC should just work at their own pace and tell the stories we want to see, the way we want to see it. I don't mind waiting 3 or 4 years for the next Justice League movie. If it means we get the perfect version of Darkseid and the film's leading up to it build slowly to that crescendo. One way to better Marvel in that regard is to show Darkseid and his capabilities before he shows up in Justice League 2. We had to wait until Infinity War to actually see what Thanos could do. So none of us felt the threat of this character until the movie started. But DC can show Darkseid fucking shit up in different scenes peppered thought the individual movies. So that we as an audience can feel the dread and tension leading to his arrival. I hope DC fixes up asap cos it's saddening to see a once mighty behemoth be humbled and turned into a joke. I want these great heroes to rise once again and be counted. I know we all do.

[@MegaSpideyman]

I think Batman's fine enough in Suicide Squad, FANTASTIC in BVS and could be better in JL, bit less comedy. Already enough for Batman to do in it without needing him to joke, which doesn't really fit his character as established by BVS. I hope Matt Reeves' The Batman does better by him. I was happier with Cyborg than I expected, not as happy with Aquaman as I expected, hope I prefer him in his own film. Not sure how Flash'll be and what the film'll end up being. I'm not super happy with him so far, he could and should be better. WW is perfect, hope Superman stays consistent in any future film.

[@WolfieY2k]

Wont work. They already showed that they fucked up the timelines, origins and character developement.

[@MrALenCar321]

Batman is funny because of Joss Whedon. He fucked the movie up. Snyder cut will be definitely a thousand times better. They should have used Hans Zimmer and Junkie XL instead of Elfman.

[@laveenr]

Just reboot the whole version and start from scratch, create new cast with a good script.

[@someoneok6145]

@@laveenr they need a flashpoint that is how they can reboot it

[@FreakazoidDK33]

They should maybe have tried the marvel formula... where they introduce several characters in solo movies before jumping ahead to the team-up... as the introduction of too many new characters in such a movie really don’t do the source material justice

[@DJB1NK]

I don't believe this movie failed but what threw me off is a majority of the movie looked like a video game, too much CGI

[@kinoshen7204]

I have to disagree. The casting was horrible in these movies. It was like trying to watch Chucky from Good Will Hunting, Khal Drogo, Don Lemon, the annoying kid from school, and Gisele from Fast and Furious fight the guy who made Born to be Wild. Take that vs. Guardians of the Galaxy, who exchanged meaningful and funny banter and gave the movie substance as actual characters. Theres drama, but it doesn't weigh the movie down like crazy. DC made their characters way too dark but couldn't sell it since we don't know them. And I think its so funny to say this, but at this time, the Guardians of the Galaxy, a ragtag group from the bargain basement of Marvel's character roster, are more bankable and well loved stars than DC's front running roster. I love that this movie lost money. The only way to get a studio to make meaningful changes is to hit them in their wallet. This failed for every reason marvel succeeded. If DC wanted to fix their universe, they'd delve deeper into their more unknown rosters, and focus on heroes that have a more human side. Right now, its all spectacle, no story, and they think they cast well. Great castings still feel fresh 10 years later, which is exactly how the MCU feels. We love seeing all the OGs because they're all just so fun to watch on screen. Before the MCU, no superhero fans besides those hardcore people really gave a shit about Iron Man, Thor, Black Widow, and Hawkeye, and some people cared about Captain America and lots of people liked the Hulk. But good movies combined with excellent casting and stories that took these characters in well-written directions created franchises out of them that we love just as much as the batmans and supermans of this world.

[@Junebug89]

As someone who liked the casting I have to say you make some great points. No one in this film is RDJs Iron Man or Chris Evans Cap. Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman is probably the closest but she earned that in her own film, not this one. To me though that still comes down to the writing, these actors are just being given trash to work with. And to be fair I can see why people would say the Aquaman casting is off because this version of Aquaman is so different to basically any version prior. I'll admit to just being a fan of Jason Momoa lol - not that I thought he was done well in this movie at all but I still *want* to see this Aquaman done right.

[@ccricers]

I agree with everything except Hawkeye, he's still among the least favorite lol. However you're right in that the casting did a lot to hurt this movie. Ben Affleck's acting was wooden, just because you are acting out a serious hero doesn't mean you have to be wooden and restrained in the acting. Flash and Wonder Woman were the best out of the group IMO, with what the actors had to work with. Also the time spent in the previous movies leading up to JL was shorter, and they ended up phoning it in with the superhero team-up and looks half-baked. So instead of treating it like a race against Marvel, the producers should have paced their movie franchise better.

[@trevorhadley8354]

Gal is the Jupiter Award and Saturn Award Best Actress winner from her role as Wonder Woman

[@oldmanhogan2668]

trevor hadley the what awards? Are people supposed to impressed?

[@trevorhadley8354]

Gal is the Jupiter Award and Saturn Award Best Actress winner as WW from her solo

[@drownoble]

Justice League "failed" because WB is rushing the DCEU. Avengers had multiple movies planned to set up to it spanning 4 years. Justice League had BvS, Wonder Woman and Man of Steel. Yes, I know about Suicide Squad but it wasn't relevant to JL.

[@DiegoDiaz-vm9xx]

I dont think there was a let down, there was no hype to begin with, so there was nothing to be disappointed with

[@davidstufflebean3285]

DCEU isn't going to go anywhere as long as Zack Snyder is the director. He has 1 way, his way, DC is lucky Joss came in and salvaged what he could at the end. People who prescreened Zacks version over a month before release said it was "unwatchable" and a hot mess all over the place then and from the sounds of it, nothing much changed in the end. Too bad was really wanting this to be a good movie, knew they would screw up Cyborg from the start, they shoulda got Tim Miller in and worked of his DC video game art woulda been way better!

[@vaachaspathibonala4019]

Why is it that when something is wrong in DCEU it's Snyder's fault?at the end of the day Snyder had a really unique vision,the execution should've been given more time,WB should've told him to take his time instead we start rushing towards a justice league and this is what we get.

[@angedejeudi]

Vachaspathi Bonala basically, too much executive meddling.

[@FirstLast-yh7gj]

Snyder sucks that's why

[@baalcifer]

Beauty_vet can you explain to everyone then who is to blame ? i mean if you say Whedon is to blame then who is to blame for BVS and MOS? like at some point you have to wake up lol

[@vyrothevirus5304]

I think Snyder didn't do an amazing job with the movies he was given (except Watchmen, I really love that movie). He definitely focuses more on visuals than good storytelling. That being said, despite me not liking Batman V Superman and disliking certain aspects of Man of Steel, Snyder's vision was definitely unique and I really would've loved to see it play out fully, even if it was a hot mess.

[@Dabbaranks]

"The Amazons, well without Robin Wright's character who guess was like too busy hanging out on the other side of the island that day" - I think you mean she was too busy hanging out in her tomb since she had been dead for a century...

[@KarimInordinate]

I agree with most of the points in this video. I may be a bit of a Marvel fanboy, so a lot of you will likely dismiss me, but I do adore Batman, and like Superman depending on how he's dealt with. My main issue is the entire arc of Superman, especially after he died. He was a problem for like 2 minutes. And after that, I knew we wouldn't have a problem, cuz he would rush in and save the day. He was faster than the Flash, beat up every character, and is smart too. Batman was the best character in the film but he was completely useless most of the time. His only bright idea was to resurrect Superman and bring Lois. Aside from that he couldn't hold a handle, and Cyborg used his tech in quite a few scenes. Speaking of which, Cyborg is boring, and, again, all the characters other than Supes are useless. Plus Steppenwolf is so stereotypically bad he makes every single Marvel villain look heavenly (and quite a few Marvel villains were shitty). He has no motivation except to rule everything for whatever reason, and no backstory behind his first defeat. DC has such amazing villains. Better than Marvel in most cases. I just wish they stopped going for spectacle constantly and focused on character development.

[@JackGroganFenn]

Isn’t Robin Wright’s character dead?

[@Stark-Raving]

Yup, Diana wears her tiara

[@dwchen1]

It sucks because Zack Snyder, there is a rumour that WB still want to hire ZS for Justice League 2, that will be suicidal for WB. Zack Snyder is good at slo-mo action scenes, that's it. He is sucks in storytelling, even bringing Josh Whedon is still can't save the day. Blame it at Zack Snyder and WB involvement in every aspect at creativity.

[@BigBoy-bx1dw]

Snyder is married to a WB executive that's the only reason they kept throwing him behind the camera. After man of steel he should have been fired. That movie should have never been the launching point for the DCEU. It was a giant red and blue turd.

[@LibertyBridgeProductions]

They took some of the most interesting, laired, 3 dimensional characters ever who the plot should revolve around and made them into bland, 1 dimensional instruments to the plot.

[@JV-yq7dx]

They turned them into jokes, flash can be comedy relief and they overdid it and became so cringy annoying, aquaman just spit out one liners and tried to look badass and instead made him look more silly, Superman still has no personality, his best scene was he said he was a big fan of justice, Wonder Woman was ok just gal gadots acting was horrible at parts, cyborg was moody asf and doesn’t have any character besides that. And batman was turned into an embarrassment

[@samsizer2919]

layered*, had to, sorry.

[@emilynuttall3135]

Honestly the whole movie it just looked like Ben affleck didn't want to be their and didn't give a damn.

[@barry2349]

teamsuperand1D 1 not really

[@gordios79]

Ben is not smart enough to know that a movie sucks, he just isn't a good actor and a good professional: he took the role of Batman hoping to benefit from Christian Bale's success but after the failure of BvS and his own, there was no interest for him - for him a role is good only if it will make him a star since there wasn't that chance he didn't car to even try: good actors don't behave like this; his behavior shows disrespect to the company that paid him 30 millions and to the fans who still are stupidly defend every nonsense he does.

[@targetdemographic1257]

gordios79 He was pretty phenomenal in Gone Girl and that movie he directed was met with universal acclaim and won best picture I think? Idk he ain’t that bad.

[@contrabardus]

One of the biggest issues with the DCEU movies is that they are rushing to try and get to JL, their attempt at recreating the success of Avengers, too fast. Marvel took the time to set things up with solo movies first, giving us a slow drip of world building over five movies, DC didn't and tried to cram too much into the few movies it did before this, two of which were ensemble films, one of which only had a cursory relation to the JL build up. Put simply, Marvel earned the audience before Avengers was released, DC did not take the time to earn the investment of the audience before Justice League. They wanted Avengers box office, but didn't build up to it and failed as a result. One of the big reasons JL is so clunky is because it has to rush the origins of several major characters and cram them into this movie, when a solo movie for each of those three would have done the job much better, and we could have gone into this hitting the ground running. That would have made for a much better movie. A lot of the problems were inherited from BvS, which drew far too heavily on sources that were far too late in these characters' histories. The Death of Superman should have been a Phase 3 moment at the earliest. We didn't have time to care about him prior to that, he hadn't earned the status he needed within the world for it to work. The same goes for the Dark Knight Returns stuff, he and Batman didn't have the dynamic for that to play out properly. They had no history, and that's why that story works in the comic and not in the BvS movie. Most of the problems with the DCEU come from the fact that they wanted to get to their Avengers level crossover immediately. They didn't take the time to establish the world first and didn't earn it, and the mess we got is the result.

[@201stars]

Hate to compare to marvel, but at least we got to get to know the characters before they were joined together. JL just mixed them together without really knowing or caring about some

[@Rockanichu]

But but but what about those quicktime videos Lex Luther made?

[@memerick420]

Beauty_vet Not that this argument isn’t already terrible on its own, but they don’t even get the characters right so it makes no sense to read comic books to understand them. Batman isn’t an alcoholic murderer, Barry Allen isn’t quippy comic relief, Aquaman isn’t a wildcard surfer bro. The only one they got right is Wonder Woman, because she’s the only one they’ve developed.

[@rickycollins7723]

+Beauty_vet oh come on. Everybody knows these characters. But not the movies' versions of the characters. It's like having a bunch of characters in 1 hour and thirty minutes of fight scenes, and excusing their being no character archs or development because they already existed before.

[@clovers10]

Man, oh man do DCEU [blind loyalist] fans comments age horribly. It's kinda impressive.

[@prateekpandey9269]

201stars Hate to point out your stupidity, but if you are complaining about not knowing the characters before a movie GOTG did that and it was great. This is a fucking stupid criticism about this movie.

[@nohomers100]

This movie gets a pass if only for the fact we get the real superman and batman back. No more moody, mopey, boring, brooding, emo superman and no more gun toting crazy murderer batman

[@adegbuluyemi5926]

nohomers100 but it's the worst of the DC films box office wise why is that because it's super sucked

[@manleeman5212]

I came to watch your earlier JL videos before watching your new one. Its been fun remembering what peoples initial reactions were knowing whats come about now

[@jarnomiedema]

I saw Wonder Woman yesterday and I have to say, seeing another hulking bad guy, dressed in armor, fighting the good guys in the middle of the night just sounds incredibly unentertaining. Why do these fights all happen at night, in all these films? Holy shit.. Batman vs. Superman, final fight; at night. Suicide Squad, final fight: at night. Wonder Woman, final fight: at night. And now this; another fight at night. It looks horrific and it's time to do something creative with the look of these films: they're bland and boring..

[@nosrepsuomynona7192]

jarnomiedema because they want to be different from Marvel, in Marvel films most fights occur during the middle of the day rarely at night lol

[@barry2349]

jarnomiedema "bland and boring"that describes every mcu movie

[@dishantchokhandre2285]

Nosrep Suomynona what's the use if people can't properly see the movie??

[@albertoguerrero3659]

I think special effects are easier to make or less expensive if they’re done at night. This is something I heard from a producer of the Flash tv series.

[@nosrepsuomynona7192]

Dishant Chokhandre I can think of 2 probable reasons why DC likes their major fight scenes at night: 1. Batman only fights at night 2. Its cheaper and faster to render CGI at night and they can get those cool light effects in if the background is dark.

[@reallysourpinecone]

Jesus, the comment section is filled with blind DCEU fanboys who aren't willing to admit it's faults.

[@GarveyToure]

? its not tho

[@DunkIeosteus]

It's all joss wheadon's fault

[@IndecisiveJR]

Julio Paz Joss Whedon did what WB asked him to do. WB wanted more humor, to cut it down to two hours, and the cgi mustache shit. No one would’ve fixed the movies with the demands WB had.

[@dankerbell]

Julio Paz joss whedons section was waay better than the entire rest of the movie

[@blammowammo5886]

Garvey Toure Go all the way down.

[@_JenniferRosales]

Disney’s “Coco” made more money than Justice League opening week. *Thor Ragnarok> Justice League*

[@Ilovegrunge123]

To be fair cartoons always make more money.

[@gudboah4688]

Jennifer Rosales I felt more emotion from Coco then Justice League.

[@juicestains52]

6:36-6:42 made me crack a smile cuz it reminds me of a happier time when we could have superheroes crack jokes and interact like human beings without grim and gritty fanboys criticizing it for being kid-friendly

[@tybtyler9186]

jayyTeęe s the kids are the main ones who think these newer movies suck 😂

[@loverxxx]

I just subscribed to ur channel, its gr8 content! And man, I love ur vintage intros xD

[@gokulauri]

I think it is stupid how Wonder Woman is still all hung up about Steve Trevor when he died a CENTURY AGO!

[@TheSpasticAvenger]

Those are the breaks of being an immortal, everyone you love eventually dies.

[@Ch538Q]

Just watched the Snyder cut!!! The improvement was insane

[@fireguyryan9362]

You definitely picked the best moment - that two-page spread of the sunset - from my favorite Superman book, Superman for All Seasons. That's my go-to storyline for all of the "Superman is actually AWESOME" discussions I find myself drawn into all the time

[@w4warriors208]

I found the flash extremely annoying

[@cedricexquisite1999]

W4WARRIORS same with aquaman imo

[@americanenigma_5108]

I realize Zack is PURPOSEFULLY trying to make justice league more comedic/ cheerful like MARVEL but he doesn’t realize that works great for MARVEL HEROES , that suits their personality e.g., it’s perfect for guardians of galaxy , avengers fun vibe etc , THAT DOESN’T MEAN WE WANT THAT SAME VIBE IN JUSTICE LEAGUE ESP BATMAN , that’s doesn’t suit them at all , their vibe is badass darker humor , that is what we need form justice league , Don’t try to copy marvel vibe and ruin justice league , keep it real and justice league esp Batfleck can become the BEST THING coz their dark storylines vibe have so much more potential and personality than any other superhero movies/ franchises

[@Excalibur-Sonic]

We need a Flashpoint or something. A way to reboot this universe.

[@alphareturns5988]

NO DONT REBOOT!!!!

[@iambuhlockay8007]

Well… you kinda got your wish 😂

[@BaconKiller360]

The DC cinematic universe did NOT take any time to ground itself. No patience en establishing backstories or making us really feel for any characters

[@oblizkin1481]

BaconKiller360 thats bcuz DC wants fast money now while ppl r crazy about superheroes. They dnt want to start from scratch. Although, theyre now forced too cuz Marvel has pretty much reached its peak and is slowly coming down. All they have is XMen to make bank off. DC has many characters they can put out. Rebooting Superman should be a must for them. Snyder is terrible

[@brogoram]

they supposed to make at least one stand alone movie for each characters while waiting for a good script. They wanted to join the racve with Marvel's Avengers too early

[@alphareturns5988]

Solo movies isn't the only way to build up a character.

[@brogoram]

@@alphareturns5988 but its the best way

[@pbjman5809]

@@alphareturns5988 it’s the best way

[@alphareturns5988]

Ok but it's not the only way, you can still have good movies even without solo movies.

[@RealisticIndustries1]

I get the feeling that DC is in too much of a rush to catch up with Marvel in the cinematic universe. Marvel really took it's time to develop many of their characters before going all in with an Avengers Movie. DC needs to take a step back, all of their movies seem to have these slightly clunky oversized ensemble casts. Too many storylines, character developments and back stories make for a jumbled mess. Slow it down DC. What's the rush?

[@millienewcombe1614]

Realistic Industries i know you are making a good point 🙂

[@nathanbarnes6869]

Iron Man 1 (origin movie) Hulk (origin movie) Captain America (origin movie) Iron Man 2 Thor (origin movie) All of these were released before the Avengers in 2012 so that by the time we reached the "main event", we had a thorough grounding of what these characters were like and what their motivations were. DC on the other hand expected the fans to already be familiar with their main characters which was a huge mistake. Never assume your audience will understand how your interpretation of a character works within a shared universe setting. The lesson? Patience is key to success.

[@johnathandupree4690]

Been binge watching captainmidnight videos for hours, and gotta say.. GREAT CHANNEL!! Truly appreciating all the well-thought out and unique perspective on films I love. Definitely gonna be watching all the new content as it comes out :D

[@kable1982]

Ben was Boring as Batman in this movie

[@kiroshina1945]

0:51 I actually don't care about the movie or DC. They're pretty shit at making movies. So is the film.

[@elijahkoufos4638]

I agree

[@crys329]

LostJack Gaming Atleast their animated movies are good. Ex:Gotham in Gaslight

[@crys329]

thisal abeysekere I've seen them all.Just giving an example is all

[@mrblend]

Their comic books and Animated Movies are great. Its just the Batfleck era that sucks.

[@ineedabetteremail8561]

Cool, I actually don't care about your opinion or your comments. You're pretty garbage at giving opinions. So is your avi. ^ That's just an unwanted comment that I don't really mean, but if you don't like the movie, you don't got to watch the video.

[@2Scribble]

9:08 Justice League 2001 cartoon series - opens with Superman throwing a team together to defeat a MASSIVE alien invasion. Wonder Woman doesn't think it will last - but is an honorable warrior in it for the challenge. Flash and Green Lantern end up caught in the mess despite one being a 'rooky' and the other a war vet who sees himself primarily as a beat cop. Finally, we're introduced to Martian Manhunter, who's been trying to contain the invaders for almost five hundred years and has forgotten how to be a person. All of this is laid at Batman's feet by Superman who unites the team - but has no funding or support. Requiring effort on Batman and Superman's part to KEEP this team together both in the face of the government AND their own divisive membership. You know these characters. You care about these characters. The stakes are as HIGH as you can get... Justice League: The New frontier - Green Lantern - a war vet - is dealing with two years of interment after a nervous breakdown. Batman and Wonder Woman have gone rogue after the disbandment of the fledgling Justice League by the government (with Batman confining his actions to Gotham while Wonder Woman has become a full on one-woman mercenary team looking to bring stability and justice to third world countries) while Superman tries (and nearly fails) to keep Batman and Wonder Woman from sparking off anti-Super wars across the globe. Meanwhile, Martian Manhunter is stranded on Earth after a laboratory accident and Flash is struggling to live his life WHILE working outside the law as the Flash. After Wonder Woman's home island is invaded and her kingdom almost slaughtered by a shadowy cult that Batman has been tracking - the proud Warrior Queen is forced to go to Superman and the US for help. Worse still, heroes such as the Flash, Green Arrow, Adam Strange, the Challengers of the Unknown, and the Blackhawks decide to take matters into their own hands (with or without the consent of the military) and almost end up causing an international incident before Batman, Wonder Woman and Superman unite the heroes in a massive battle against a doomsday cult that has armies of giant mutated dinosaurs and a GIANT FUCKING FLOATING CITY SLASH WARSHIP... You know these characters. You care about these characters. The stakes are as HIGH as you can get... Justice League: War - Batman, in his usual arrogance, decides to take on a massive parademon invasion on by himself when a mother box turns up on earth. After crashing (almost literally) into Green Lantern (who believes Batman is the sources of the parademon assault) the two of them try to unlock the box - only for the whole thing to go MASSIVELY awry when they try to arrest Superman to FORCE him to tell them what's going on. Forced to reveal his identity to get Superman to listen to them after they realize attacking him is pointless; the trio of heroes deduce that the box is of alien origins but NOT Kryptonian. Meanwhile, Flash and Vic Stone's Father are investigating ANOTHER Mother box that ends up turning Vic into Cyborg while Wonder Woman (having only just left her home for the first time) is struggling to understand the wider world... and ice cream... all the while almost single-handedly slaughtering an entire Parademon squad before bumping into Superman who's trying to stop a jet from smashing any innocents. Realizing that the mother boxes are designed to terraform the whole planet; each super hero tries to deal with the problem in their own way. Complete with newly minted hero Shazaam who almost ends up getting them all killed multiple times - only for things to take a turn for the worse when the leader of the parademon invasion shows up and kidnaps Superman. Requiring the heroes to fight as a team for the future of the earth... You know these characters. You care about these characters. The stakes are as HIGH as you can get... Justice League 2017 - some... magic... boxes are hidden on Earth (rather than being kept by the people more adequate to keep them - ya know - like the green lantern corps or the Olympian gods?) to keep Saur... Steppenwolfe from coming back. Despite the fact that he can sense them - and is even supposed to be CONNECTED to the Mother Boxes - Steppenwolfe requires the aide of scientists and nobodies from Star Labs to get the three boxes. Batman barely bothers to try and recruit Aqua Man - settling for Spiderm... Flash :P while Wonder Woman (who was shown to be an independent spirit in the previous movie) is still (for god knows WHAT reason) hung up on a guy who she barely slept with... after... a century... (because, HEY! All those previous movies where she was this hardy warrior driven by honor and combat - what the fuck did they think they were doing?! Empowering women?! That's BULL shit!) allowing the current movie to urinate ALL THE FUCK OVER the previous Wonder Woman movie (the ONLY successful DC movie thus far) while she struggles to get Cyborg to join them... who joins them just to save his dad. Batman realizes how utterly POINTLESS killing Superman was in the last movie - but doesn't bother to tie into the image of Superman coming back to life in the last movie - and utilizes the power of cgi lips to revive him so they can kill this guy in one hit who was never really that big a threat to begin with because of how laughably lackluster his characterization and motivations and cg was... oh! And something something Gingerjok... Lex Luthor... something something escape... something something Legion of Doom. You don't know about these characters. You don't care about these characters. There are no stakes because the villain can never be taken seriously and you've got Dues Ex Superman waiting in the wings for the whole film... You see the problem here, DC?

[@kaylandra]

Very long and very true

[@NightWing1230]

Too long but ok

[@Rj-us5fg]

One of the reasons justice league failed is that they didn’t take time to develop there characters so some people barely knew some of the characters from justice league but In the mcu iron man, black widow, Thor, and hulk were already in mcu movies before avengers 1

[@theearlyresetband]

One of the worst batmans out to film. They made him an absolute fool in this movie

[@SalTheSlime.]

Steffenwolf vs thanos who would win? Thanos.

[@TheTianaNgo]

Obviously.

[@zay3545]

SalFrosterGamer Thanos wouldn't need the gauntlet

[@TheTianaNgo]

I Limu lol true! Thanos beat the Hulk alone without using the gauntlet so Steffenwolf is no problem.

[@devanteashley6607]

I Limu yes he would..sorry

[@danialarif9443]

SalFrosterGamer thanos easily

[@ChristianCarpesoChannel]

DC always failed me... When I left the theater I just sighed and said to myself, "boring!"

[@Clankatron]

Christian Carpeso i take it the superhero genre isn't for you. Might I suggest watching horror movies instead?

[@ChristianCarpesoChannel]

I mentioned DC not Marvel didn't I? BTW loved every Marvel cinematic movie

[@Clankatron]

Christian Carpeso really? So what, did you keep getting distracted and miss all the good parts?

[@NationalPjVillain]

Galvatron1026 a boring movie can still have good parts, that doesn’t stop it from being boring

[@chrisclaris4309]

DCEU is shit. Nolan's trilogy was great and more than comic-books

[@paulinoboado4368]

Who's here after watching the Snyder Cut? I am!

[@MarufAlom]

Me

[@johnotto-wl2yh]

Snyder cut sucks

[@mr.moviemafia]

We’re finally getting ZACK SNYDER’S JUSTICE LEAGUE in 2021, a movie that undoubtedly won’t be perfect, but will be more consistent and will have been made with so much passion!

[@TheStalenin]

The main question is: How the fuck did they ruin Justice League? They have years of expirience making comic films with awesome plots and characters and than there is Justice league...

[@slamminsam]

7:55 Robin Wrights character died in Wonder Woman, smartass. And this is set after after the wonder woman film...

[@slamminsam]

Or was that the joke...?

[@viorelcostelplaton4543]

How funny is (in 2022) watching you talking about the cast

[@Zenoth]

Haven't watched it yet, but gonna watch this anyway

[@diavalmoon]

i love your honesty great video

[@danyul4u186]

I actually love BvS, it’s one of my favorite comic book films of all time. Can’t nearly say the same for JL

[@Aristocles22]

You know what we need? A self-contained live action All-Star Superman.